Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: What's your name?
Speaker 1: This is Jason.
Speaker 2: What's up, Jason? Where are you calling from?
Speaker 1: I'm calling from Japan.
Speaker 2: You're calling from Japan? Yeah, what what are you doing
Speaker 2: in Japan?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so we've met before.
Speaker 2: Wait, I know exactly who you are, all right, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell a story to the chap, to the
Speaker 2: listeners real quick. I'm gonna set a little bit of context.
Speaker 2: So two years ago, I took a trip alone to
Speaker 2: Japan as a gecko because I wanted to go and
Speaker 2: I wanted to make some gecko content there, and I
Speaker 2: was I did this. I was live streaming myself in
Speaker 2: a gecko suit walking around. I never I never like
Speaker 2: made a video out of this. It's just it was
Speaker 2: just kind of a live stream that I did. And
Speaker 2: I was live streaming myself as a gecko walking around
Speaker 2: Japan and talking to people, and I was looking at
Speaker 2: my chat and somebody in my chat was like, yo, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm like within a mile of where you currently are
Speaker 2: right now, and I'm like, you're lying. I'm in fucking Tokyo.
Speaker 2: There's no reason that anyone who's watching my stream right
Speaker 2: now would be where I am right now. And you
Speaker 2: were like, no, I'm serious, and everyone in the chat
Speaker 2: was like, this guy's fucking trolling you, Lyle. This guy's
Speaker 2: just gonna make you wait and then be like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. I'm in Alabama. And I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, No, I have faith that this chatter
Speaker 2: is not trolling me and he actually is gonna stream
Speaker 2: snipe me. So and I'm gonna say And I sat
Speaker 2: and I waited, and I was like, yeah, this chatter
Speaker 2: is gonna come meet me wherever he is in Japan.
Speaker 2: And everyone in the just not you had not one
Speaker 2: supporter in the chat. They were all like, this fucking
Speaker 2: guy is trolling you. And sure enough, a man comes
Speaker 2: up to me and he's like you are you, Lyle?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, are you Jason? And fucking that
Speaker 2: was it. And then we wait. We we walked around.
Speaker 2: You hung out on my stream and we walked around
Speaker 2: and we uh we had a good time. We went
Speaker 2: to this fucking crazy mall and uh, you told me
Speaker 2: your life story and uh it was cool, it was great.
Speaker 2: And now we're on the phone together two years later.
Speaker 2: How you do it with Jason?
Speaker 1: I'm all right, so, uh yeah, that's it was a
Speaker 1: little bit more than I was in Shibuia, and I
Speaker 1: saw you and my younger brothers like, you have to
Speaker 1: you have to go stream slamp and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: you know, I like, it's it's such an awkward thing.
Speaker 1: But no, So yeah, we hung out for like an
Speaker 1: hour and a half two hours, and then because of you,
Speaker 1: I started streaming. And then after that, I don't I
Speaker 1: watched another streamer read a book about a guy who
Speaker 1: walked across Japan and thought, I want to do that.
Speaker 1: Like I turned thirty last year and I was still
Speaker 1: a kind of chunky, but I wanted to change my life,
Speaker 1: and so I I this year. I just got back
Speaker 1: from walking across Japan. I walked like two thousand miles
Speaker 1: across Japan. And that was because I met you, Like
Speaker 1: you said, go do content stuff and maybe it works out,
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't, but you should try. And so I
Speaker 1: fucking did the thing.
Speaker 2: And wow wow yeah yeah, so we were I we
Speaker 2: so we were talking about it a little bit on
Speaker 2: the stream. But then after I ended the stream, you
Speaker 2: and I we were taking the uh subway somewhere. We
Speaker 2: were just chatting about like content and stuff, and you
Speaker 2: were telling me you wanted to do some shit and
Speaker 2: we had it. We talked about it. Yeah yeah, and
Speaker 2: I think I think, I think, uh uh, you bought
Speaker 2: me a paperry sweat.
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, so we because you had to go
Speaker 1: to a sushi place across it was it was on
Speaker 1: my way back home. And yeah, yeah, so I bought
Speaker 1: you for christ and then you want you bought the
Speaker 1: So I bought two drinks, O Kari sweat and a
Speaker 1: Deca Vida, the vitamin orange citrusy drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, Okay, that's awesome. So inspired by that conversation,
Speaker 2: You've walked across fuck I didn't. Hey man, I didn't
Speaker 2: say to walk across all of Japan. That's overkilled. That's
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's I Like I said, it was a
Speaker 1: kind of a perfect storm of watching you and then
Speaker 1: watched another like a Japanese woodlock printer guy who has
Speaker 1: been in Japan for a long time. I read this
Speaker 1: book and then it's like in the book he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty years old, I've been in Japan eight years.
Speaker 1: What the fuck am I doing? And I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty years old. I've been in Japan seven years.
Speaker 1: What the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And I wanted to go out and it's something I
Speaker 1: had to do, not necessarily content, but I had to
Speaker 1: do it for myself. And then many people said, please
Speaker 1: share it if you can, and so I did. I
Speaker 1: streamed like ninety five percent of it because I thought
Speaker 1: people might get something from it even if I don't.
Speaker 2: But were you streaming? Were you streaming while you were asleep?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, I didn't. I had work, So I
Speaker 1: worked full time and walked, and so I would work
Speaker 1: like six am to nine point thirty, leave the hotel
Speaker 1: at ten, walk like twenty miles a day, fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: miles a day, and then get to the next hotel
Speaker 1: and work at night and go to sleep like that
Speaker 1: was my routine.
Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy. So where did you start and then
Speaker 2: where did you end?
Speaker 1: I started at the very very southern point of Japan,
Speaker 1: Cape Sata in Kagoshima, and then I finished at the
Speaker 1: very very northern part of Hokkaido, Cape Soya.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, you walked to the entire country.
Speaker 1: I walked the entire country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's completely insane.
Speaker 1: How long.
Speaker 2: Did that take you?
Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty nine days.
Speaker 2: By yourself, by myself? Yeah, that's fucking crazy man. And
Speaker 2: how did this I had, like go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I had. The reason it took so long
Speaker 1: is because I had probably like ten days that I
Speaker 1: like throughout the trip, I had injury days, like my
Speaker 1: hip got messed up, my foot got messed up, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So I had to like sit tight in
Speaker 1: a hotel room for a couple of days at a time,
Speaker 1: but almost every day like my average walking I watched
Speaker 1: thirty thousand steps on average for the six months.
Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy man. So the streams did people were
Speaker 2: people watching along while you were doing it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew quite a lot. I started, Like when
Speaker 1: I started the trip, I was I don't know, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five average viewers, and now it's like at the
Speaker 1: end of it, it was a couple hundred, like one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty two hundred, you know, So it's wonderful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people because it's outside of like I mean,
Speaker 1: you came to like Tokyo Osaka's cool, but like I
Speaker 1: was in like the Montana of Japan, you know, like
Speaker 1: I was placed there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that sounds fucking no.
Speaker 1: We oh it was really fucking cool. And I made
Speaker 1: like I have a whole stack of like every place,
Speaker 1: Like I had to call so many places and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you guys have any rooms, like ah,
Speaker 1: now we're full, and I explained the project to them,
Speaker 1: Well we might have a room, but are you like
Speaker 1: a guest, are you a foreigner? Like what's what's going on?
Speaker 1: And so I had to call THEMM like almost negotiate
Speaker 1: a lot of places to like let me in. And
Speaker 1: there were like half a dozen to a dozen places
Speaker 1: that were like you're the first non Japanese person to
Speaker 1: ever be here, like ever, like this is one hundred
Speaker 1: year olds in, you're the first one Like wow.
Speaker 2: Wow Yeah, because I guess when you're walking across the country,
Speaker 2: you run into a lot of places where it's like
Speaker 2: like no tourist would ever go to this place of
Speaker 2: the countryside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's so remote. There were some places I
Speaker 1: was at where there was a bus that ran like twice,
Speaker 1: like seven thirty in the morning, like five thirty the
Speaker 1: afternoon or in the evening.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: So even if I like I didn't take transportation, but
Speaker 1: if I had to. Then I got to like sit
Speaker 1: at a bus stop or sleep at a bus stop
Speaker 1: until you know, if I you know, emergency type shit.
Speaker 2: So wow, did you ever have to sleep outside?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Twy the camp twice? It was I think day sixteen
Speaker 1: or seventeen. I stayed at a campsite. I didn't have
Speaker 1: work that night, and then I slept at a bungalow,
Speaker 1: which is like, I guess that's not the way nowtside,
Speaker 1: It's just a cabin type thing. But yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1: Every other time I stayed at like local inns, small
Speaker 1: little hot spring towns or I mean it just I
Speaker 1: mean one hundred and fifty eight different hotels or like
Speaker 1: inns and stuff.
Speaker 3: So everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, where was the coolest place that you saw
Speaker 2: along your route?
Speaker 1: And that's hard, that's hard because there were there were
Speaker 1: like I made paper, like I made traditional Japanese style
Speaker 1: paper and made a bunch of friends in Etchison and Ukui.
Speaker 1: But as far as scenery, I mean, Hokkaido is nuts.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people go to Hokaido and they
Speaker 1: go to the cities Hakodate or Sathwoo or something. But
Speaker 1: when you're out like towards the top of Hokkaido, there's
Speaker 1: nothing like there were some days I had to walk
Speaker 1: twenty five miles to the next town, like there was
Speaker 1: nothing between towns. So you have to pack food, pack water,
Speaker 1: and that's it. Like it's it's so vast in a
Speaker 1: way that like Tokyo is not, or it's it's vast
Speaker 1: in a way that's different. Tokyo's vast is a city
Speaker 1: out there, it's just like quiet, peaceful flat roads. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to explain.
Speaker 2: Did you get lonely walking across just being by yourself
Speaker 2: for one hundred and sixty nine days.
Speaker 1: I did well, you know, when I had stream on,
Speaker 1: it wasn't too bad. But what really hit me is
Speaker 1: like eating dinner almost every night alone. And that sounds
Speaker 1: so like when you're in a hotel, and so it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially when you know in Tokyo, it's like
Speaker 1: I can have dinner with friends or you know, significant
Speaker 1: other or whatever and it's uh, but on the road,
Speaker 1: it's like it's just me. And sometimes the innkeepers would
Speaker 1: come and have dinner with me, but a lot of
Speaker 1: times they would not. They would just be like because
Speaker 1: even though I speak Japanese, they were like, ah, like
Speaker 1: it's kind of a client and not client customer patron
Speaker 1: type thing, so they don't want to like encroach on
Speaker 1: the customer's eating experience or something.
Speaker 2: So do you speak fluent Japanese?
Speaker 1: I speak pretty good. I mean I had I traveled
Speaker 1: for six months for one hundred and sixty nine days,
Speaker 1: Sladay problems fluent. I don't like the word fluent. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people throw fluent around, and that's
Speaker 1: for me. Fluent means no hiccups at all, and I'm
Speaker 1: not quite there.
Speaker 3: But I spoke with like.
Speaker 1: Old dudes for a couple hours at a time, politics
Speaker 1: or I had trouble talking about religion because I just
Speaker 1: never studied those words and so it's it's like I
Speaker 1: have thoughts about it, but I couldn't articulate it as well.
Speaker 1: So pretty conversational, say above conversational.
Speaker 2: Tell me about some of these conversations that you had
Speaker 2: with these like elderly Japanese folks on the country side,
Speaker 2: Like there any stories, did you learn anything? Did you
Speaker 2: like to tell? What would you take away?
Speaker 1: You know, I felt there was one guy in Particu.
Speaker 1: I mean I talked with a lot, but there was
Speaker 1: the one guy that's kind of burned into my memory.
Speaker 1: He wasn't old.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: Fifty eight, which I mean, I guess relative. I'm sure
Speaker 1: some people in chat are going to be like fifty
Speaker 1: eights old as anyway, but I remember it really kind of.
Speaker 1: I felt so weird because I'm doing this trip. I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit past halfway. I'm in in yudah and
Speaker 1: Igata and it's this kind of beach town type thing.
Speaker 1: And I talked to the owner of the Yokamda Japanese
Speaker 1: in and he's drunk and we're drinking, and he goes, man,
Speaker 1: you must be really rich to travel like this, and
Speaker 1: I said, not really. I saved during COVID and I'm
Speaker 1: just an English teacher, Like I don't make money from
Speaker 1: I make a few bucks from twitch or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I'm not rich. I just saved during COVID.
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, it's it's really cool that he
Speaker 1: said you're You're so cool and I'm so stupid. And
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean? And he goes, man,
Speaker 1: I've been in this town. I'm fifty eight years old.
Speaker 1: I've been in this town. I've been working at this
Speaker 1: same inn for forty years and he's like, I've never
Speaker 1: he said, I've only been to Tokyo like twice. He said,
Speaker 1: I've never traveled in Japan and I've never done this
Speaker 1: and that, And he said, here, you are a foreigner
Speaker 1: and you're doing this crazy thing. And I'm just a
Speaker 1: fifty eight year old old man and I don't have money.
Speaker 1: I just have this in and like that really stuck
Speaker 1: with me because I'm like, fuck, like you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting there.
Speaker 3: Like what do I say?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you are you know, like what do you want?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what? And so he and I
Speaker 1: drank for a couple more hours, but it very much
Speaker 1: was you know, I told him, I was like, this
Speaker 1: isn't you know, that's your life and you can still
Speaker 1: make changes. Fifty it's young, you can still go travel
Speaker 1: like you're gonna you're gonna outlive me, dude, you know.
Speaker 1: So But for me, that stuck with me, cause like
Speaker 1: it's very much we make our lives and sometimes we
Speaker 1: are born into family businesses, we're born into situations and
Speaker 1: it's hard to.
Speaker 3: Get out of that.
Speaker 1: But for that, it kind of hit me like if
Speaker 1: I don't want to get stuck in something I have
Speaker 1: to take active choices to get out of that.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, that's that's so interesting because you know you
Speaker 2: are a foreigner, but yet you've seen probably more Japan
Speaker 2: than most Japanese people have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but almost Like that's one thing whenever I traveled
Speaker 1: to like not that I'm not checking things off and
Speaker 1: making a list, but just like in America, like how
Speaker 1: many Americans have been to the Midwest, I mean, how
Speaker 1: many like you know, flyover states, Like how many people
Speaker 1: have actually been to Oklahoma or Kansas or you know whatever,
Speaker 1: And so the same thing in Japan, like people go
Speaker 1: to Tokyo, Osaka, Oki, Noawa, Hokkaido, but no one's going
Speaker 1: to Shimani Prefecture to go, you know, check out hot
Speaker 1: springs or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I also love the perspective of like, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know this trip that you take, I mean, you
Speaker 2: have a remote job, but a lot of people have
Speaker 2: remote jobs these days. It's like you would this trip
Speaker 2: did it sounds to me? And you know, you can
Speaker 2: tell me if if you don't know what the financials
Speaker 2: are of doing something like this, But this isn't a
Speaker 2: trip that it seems like it's something you are able
Speaker 2: to do because you have a lot of necessarily a
Speaker 2: lot of money. It's something you're able to do just
Speaker 2: because you fucking put your because you had the fucking
Speaker 2: balls to do it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is one thing, I mean, full disclosure,
Speaker 1: the entire trip, food, lodging, everything, about eight to ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. But when you think about, like that's six.
Speaker 2: Months, eight ten dude, eight to ten thousand dollars over
Speaker 2: six months is like what that's like that month nothing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and I know some people are like, well,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. I'll never do it, But
Speaker 1: I mean I saved during.
Speaker 2: COVID like that, that's not a lot of money. That's
Speaker 2: seventeen hundred. That's like cheaper. That's seventeen hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 2: That's cheaper than if you that's not a lot, but
Speaker 2: that's cheap, literally cheaper than if you like rents an
Speaker 2: apartment in a in a major city in America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like multiply seventy to seventy seventy five percent
Speaker 1: of my hotel nights were like five to six thousand
Speaker 1: in which were like forty to forty five bucks.
Speaker 3: Maybe, Yeah, that's cheaper than a yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of those included one to two meals.
Speaker 1: So it's like some people ask me, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of money. It's like, well not, I mean yes, if
Speaker 1: you just like here's ten thousand dollars cash, but you know,
Speaker 1: and that's what I had to work. Like some of
Speaker 1: my other streamer friends are like, why why didn't you
Speaker 1: like just stream And I'm like, cause I make like
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks a month from it, Like you know,
Speaker 1: let me just quit my fucking job to do this thing,
Speaker 1: you know, like, uh yeah, souse.
Speaker 2: I mean that's uh. I mean that's like the fact
Speaker 2: that you were able to like have a have a
Speaker 2: remote job that you could do while you were doing this, yeah,
Speaker 2: is great. And I mean finding a job. You know what,
Speaker 2: what's your remote job?
Speaker 1: I still teach English? Yeah, I still do English teaching.
Speaker 1: So again, I don't make a ton of ton of money,
Speaker 1: but I have the schedule too, you know. I've I've
Speaker 1: spent the last eight years kind of shaping my life
Speaker 1: bit by bit, whittling away the things I don't need,
Speaker 1: adding into things that I want.
Speaker 2: And so m hmm, what are you gonna do now
Speaker 2: that you've accomplished this.
Speaker 1: A lot of people ask if I'm gonna write a book.
Speaker 1: They they, uh, you know, I was inspired by a book,
Speaker 1: and I'll do that. I do need to put some
Speaker 1: stuff up on YouTube. What book the Roads to Sata?
Speaker 2: I thought you were inspired by me? I was I
Speaker 2: was gonna take like all the credit for this.
Speaker 1: No I mean no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you you inspired?
Speaker 2: Like no, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: I'm completely kidding.
Speaker 3: What's what's yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, what's that? What's that? What's the book?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So The Roads to Sata by Alan Booth. I con
Speaker 1: sindu you a message or something later, but no, I
Speaker 1: mean no, no, cap.
Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, Oh what's the what's the book about?
Speaker 1: It's it's about who again. The book is not necessarily
Speaker 1: earth shattering good. It was more of it's one of
Speaker 1: those one of those things that hit you at that moment.
Speaker 1: Like if I had read the book this year, I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have had the same But it was halfway
Speaker 1: through the book. In the book, I'm like, God, this
Speaker 1: guy is a British guy and he's writing about how
Speaker 1: dreary countryside Japan is and how it because it's post
Speaker 1: he did his walk in nineteen seventy seven, and I thought, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's kind of boring and I don't you know whatever,
Speaker 1: And so then halfway through the book, he goes, I'm
Speaker 1: thirty years old, I've been in Japan for eight years?
Speaker 1: What am I doing? And I thought, oh shit, I'm him,
Speaker 1: like not not necessarily a mirror, but I go, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy is just like me, and so it more
Speaker 1: inspired me to just go out and do my own
Speaker 1: shit and figure things out.
Speaker 2: So that's so cool, man, I really, I really love that.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it's you, like it's I'm not I'm not bullshitting
Speaker 1: it like it if you hadn't it mainly the conversation
Speaker 1: we had in the train after. But if you hadn't
Speaker 1: did you start doing stuff? I would have probably never
Speaker 1: watched that other guy's stream, never saw the book, never
Speaker 1: saw like in a weird butterfly effect way like no therapy,
Speaker 1: get go, no, like it wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm so, I'm so so honored, and I really
Speaker 2: I I'm very very touched by that and very honored
Speaker 2: by that because I'm inspired by you, brother, this is
Speaker 2: we're we're playing a little inspiration tennis right now. To
Speaker 2: be honest with you, because I'm I'm kind of like,
Speaker 2: should I walk across fucking Ireland or not? I'm definitely
Speaker 2: not Ireland, but some some other place. I'm like, you're
Speaker 2: you're Because I'm about to turn twenty seven. Then I'm
Speaker 2: really tired, and I feel it's like making me fucking
Speaker 2: sad because I have so so much of my life
Speaker 2: has been like on these crazy adventures and been fueled
Speaker 2: by a desire to go on crazy adventures and do
Speaker 2: weird stuff. And I'm like tired now, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I hope I'm not tired forever. Yeah, you know, because
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a struggle, Sorr, No, you go ahead,
Speaker 3: I slug around.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a struggle that because when I
Speaker 1: did this trip, I had so many people asking me like, oh,
Speaker 1: you should collab with this guy, you should do this,
Speaker 1: you should do this, and I'm I had to tell
Speaker 1: a lot of people there I'm like, I didn't do
Speaker 1: this for content, Like I'm I am making content from
Speaker 1: it and I am streaming it. If the camera blows
Speaker 1: up tomorrow, fuck you guys, like I mean, I I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I'm very proud of my community. But
Speaker 1: doing things simply for content, I think is and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying this, but doing things just to do them,
Speaker 1: you get in this monotony and then it you do
Speaker 1: get tired from it, like like I'm back in Tokyo.
Speaker 1: I've been back in Tokyo a couple of weeks, and
Speaker 1: I'm feeling tired of like, gotta do this thing, gotta
Speaker 1: do this, like I don't. It's it's exhausting, dand.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I mean, look, dude, I I the
Speaker 2: thing I was making when you and I met, I'm
Speaker 2: sure I was streaming it, but I also planned to
Speaker 2: make it into a YouTube video. But the main reason
Speaker 2: I was streaming, the main reason I did the thing
Speaker 2: that I did when you and I met, was because
Speaker 2: I wanted to fucking walk around Japan and like, dude, shit,
Speaker 2: I went to fucking Thailand and I filmed a bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff and I still haven't put it out because
Speaker 2: the main reason I did it is because I just
Speaker 2: I wanted to go and talk to people and have
Speaker 2: have the weird cool adventure. Yeah no, and so I
Speaker 2: just I've always looked at it as also kind of
Speaker 2: like that's specifically that stuff, specifically going and making videos
Speaker 2: in foreign countries and stuff. That stuff is just the
Speaker 2: content is just like I'm gonna have way more interesting
Speaker 2: and cooler adventure is if I have a camera and
Speaker 2: I have my Gecko suit, then if I just kind
Speaker 2: of went and didn't do anything, and it's also it's
Speaker 2: fun to document it and share it with other people.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's one thing that I I didn't realize,
Speaker 1: Like with you and I video, I did end up
Speaker 1: shortening it down and I put it on my YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: I hope that's all right, because I didn't want.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, sure here what before I ever? What's your
Speaker 2: YouTube channel? I want to plug it to the people.
Speaker 1: Since a Martian, Yeah, since a Martian, since a Martian?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sense a Martian?
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's no underscore, Yeah, no underscore on the YouTube.
Speaker 1: There is on the twitch because like I originally had
Speaker 1: the original and then I forgot all that ship and
Speaker 1: I had to make.
Speaker 2: Any one us Hey, how the hell do you spell?
Speaker 2: Sense s E N S E? I okay, and then
Speaker 2: Martian they can figure that one out ahead. What were
Speaker 2: you saying.
Speaker 1: Uh, but no. I I A lot of people you know,
Speaker 1: reached out through the therapy through you, sorry, and they're like,
Speaker 1: I wish I could find that VOD And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's on twitch, Like go to Lyles Twitch. It's on there.
Speaker 1: That gets hard to find. I go, okay, I'll post
Speaker 1: up our conversation part of it on my thing so
Speaker 1: it doesn't get lost. But I didn't realize how, especially
Speaker 1: like because I do long streams, like I'll walk outside
Speaker 1: for like eight hours a day type shit, and so
Speaker 1: it's not like like your show is a show one two,
Speaker 1: three hours maybe, and so people can watch that in
Speaker 1: the entirety. But my streams were like second screen. People
Speaker 1: were working, some people would fall asleep to the ASMR
Speaker 1: of the rain falling or the highway trucks or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a different type of content.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you though on the yes, sometimes people
Speaker 2: could be like with certain with certain things, and I
Speaker 2: get it with certain because there's certain there's certain types
Speaker 2: of and and my hold on I'm gonna try to
Speaker 2: actually say a real thing. The there's types of content
Speaker 2: certain ways. I've like looked at my career and looked
Speaker 2: at what I'm doing where I have looked at it
Speaker 2: in that sense of like oh I want to make
Speaker 2: the best thing, or like do something that will go
Speaker 2: viral or be popular. And still there's very like I make.
Speaker 2: I do a lot of different things, and some things
Speaker 2: I do look at with that lens, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot a lot of things where it's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: just I literally just want to do this, just to
Speaker 2: do it because it's exciting and cool, and those are
Speaker 2: of course, you know. I mean, that's where the most
Speaker 2: compelling thing is for me. I mean, I fucking made
Speaker 2: this video where I traveled, uh Like, I just walked
Speaker 2: around the beach in Australia and I talked to people
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this is so cool. This
Speaker 2: is like I'm in I'm in Australia on the beach alone,
Speaker 2: talking a random people and getting really interesting interviews with them.
Speaker 2: And everyone was just like that, we want to watch
Speaker 2: you take talk to people about diarrhea and the phone
Speaker 2: from your house. And I was like, all right, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but I don't.
Speaker 1: But I still like to do a question for you,
Speaker 1: like how do you balance? I mean, because not I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a drop in the butt like you know, but
Speaker 1: I am a lot of people have asked me like, oh, Jason,
Speaker 1: you should push to be more full time, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't get to decide that. The universe like it's
Speaker 1: it's a luck thing. It's a luck and a networking thing.
Speaker 1: But for you, like you're you're there, like you can
Speaker 1: you have doda kata on or you have uh I
Speaker 1: mean you you have these opportunities, how do you decide like,
Speaker 1: all right, I want to have this person on versus
Speaker 1: like I want to answer fan mail like is that
Speaker 1: something you you do day by day or is that
Speaker 1: something that.
Speaker 2: It's it's I guess people through throughout my throughout the
Speaker 2: four four or five years I've been doing this, it
Speaker 2: is that my motivations of strongly uh evolved, my motivations
Speaker 2: and priorities and certain things have strongly evolved. Uh well
Speaker 2: because for me, like there's certain kinds of content that like,
Speaker 2: you know, well, there's certain kind of content that like
Speaker 2: you know, make some money, and then there's certain kind
Speaker 2: of content that like, oh I just really fucking want
Speaker 2: to do this, and you know you kind of you
Speaker 2: kind of you kind of balance it and then there's
Speaker 2: stuff like and then there's stuff like touring where it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is like this makes money and is
Speaker 2: really fun and exciting and cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ideally, if you can find something that makes money and
Speaker 2: is really fun and exciting and cool, then then you've
Speaker 2: hit the jackpot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I actually talked to. And so after
Speaker 1: my walk, like a few of the creators in Japan
Speaker 1: are like, oh, so you you like because some people
Speaker 1: they heard it, but like it rumors out because it
Speaker 1: is the content creation world in your pan is very
Speaker 1: wide but not very deep. So just take degrees with
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon, like it's like two degrees of Chris broad
Speaker 1: like and so people so anyway, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you like biked it and I was like, ah, no,
Speaker 1: I walked it and they're like what why? And that
Speaker 1: was different, Like They're like I would like why would
Speaker 1: you take the time to do that? And you know,
Speaker 1: I was like I had to. It was something that
Speaker 1: you know, I had to see for myself, kind of
Speaker 1: like when I bought the one way ticket to Japan,
Speaker 1: Like what am I made of? And now I'm thirty?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What am what?
Speaker 1: Am I still made? Of you know, like, what am I?
Speaker 1: What are my limits if I don't go out and
Speaker 1: push them? And I found out, like I you know,
Speaker 1: hurt my body quite a bit throughout this thing, but
Speaker 1: I also found out I can do way more than
Speaker 1: I thought I could.
Speaker 2: So dude, you're awesome. I think this is so cool.
Speaker 2: Again we're playing we're playing inspiration tennis because you're I
Speaker 2: I really do I feel like tired And I'm like, uh,
Speaker 2: I feel too young to be tired. And I'm like
Speaker 2: kind of nervous that I'm only gonna get more tired
Speaker 2: as I get older. And so to hear that, you
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you're three years older the man
Speaker 2: you're going on this crazy, fucking it physically challenging thing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, maybe I'm not. Maybe maybe I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not dead yet, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well. And you know, like I said, I
Speaker 1: I watch your stream as often as I can't. Time
Speaker 1: time difference kind of fucks with that. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I started the trip at two hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: six pounds wow, and I hadn't because I last last year,
Speaker 1: I walked from Tokyo to Kioto as like a test
Speaker 1: tour leg muscle, and then I spent three months recovering
Speaker 1: from that, and I thought, okay, I got to do
Speaker 1: this one because if you know, I got but I
Speaker 1: got to be smarter about it.
Speaker 2: But can I ask what you ended the trip on.
Speaker 1: About two sixty two fifty eight?
Speaker 3: Whoa?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, I'm not like chiseled or anything,
Speaker 1: but I feel a lot better.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's like and it's just walking, like walking doesn't even
Speaker 1: I had a forty five pound backpack the whole time
Speaker 1: because like York stuff, stream stuff, clothing and stuff. But uh,
Speaker 1: just getting out there and taking some steps.
Speaker 2: What's well, well, I don't forgive me if I asked
Speaker 2: this already, But what's next for you?
Speaker 1: Uh, there's there's a couple of So I'm going to
Speaker 1: go in December. I'm going to try to go walk Chikoku,
Speaker 1: which is a smaller it's one of the smaller main
Speaker 1: islands of Japan.
Speaker 3: I'll do that.
Speaker 1: But there's actually a really big YouTuber that I would
Speaker 1: like to There's a very big American YouTuber that's talked
Speaker 1: about coming to Japan, and I would love to get
Speaker 1: involved with that.
Speaker 2: Guy who is he can your name drop? Is that bad?
Speaker 2: Can you throw it out there? Can you throw it
Speaker 2: out that? Can you throw can you throw your invitation
Speaker 2: out there? On the Therapy Gecko show.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: Only if you want to, I'm just yeah.
Speaker 1: No, Ludwig has talked about motor.
Speaker 2: Ludwig or Ludwig.
Speaker 1: So I luga is how he how?
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: I watched the video on him talking about it, and he's.
Speaker 3: Like it's blued big.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people say Ludwig, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know anyway, So yeah, Ludwig, he's
Speaker 1: talked about driving a motorcycle across Japan, and who better
Speaker 1: to help him than a guy who walked it, you know.
Speaker 2: So well, if he hears this, maybe he'll maybe he'll
Speaker 2: maybe he'll be inspired.
Speaker 1: Well I'm I'm gonna hopefully make I need to, I
Speaker 1: think make a make an actual video calling him. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's hard, like it's hard to
Speaker 1: break into those upper echelons when you're down. I mean,
Speaker 1: I anyway, it's the thing, you know, Well.
Speaker 2: Shit, man, I might I've I don't know when, but
Speaker 2: I keep thinking about taking another trip to Japan because
Speaker 2: I missed it. I had such a fucking good time
Speaker 2: last time I was there.
Speaker 1: So if I'm back again and I will you tell me,
Speaker 1: I'll take you wherever you want to go. You want
Speaker 1: to see some ship that no one's seen, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Cool, all right, now I'll hit you. I have your
Speaker 2: you on an email or some shit right or Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll reach out against you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, out again? All right?
Speaker 2: Cool man, dude, I'm glad we got to have this,
Speaker 2: this this reunition on yeah, on the podcast. I'm glad
Speaker 2: you got to tell your story because I think I
Speaker 2: feel like either I don't know where, but I knew
Speaker 2: that you were walking across Japan. I like saw it somewhere,
Speaker 2: like maybe it was on your Twitch or or maybe
Speaker 2: you reached out. I don't I don't remember where I
Speaker 2: saw it, but I just was like, oh, I remember
Speaker 2: I saw you doing that, Like that's fucking cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think maybe I think you because I was
Speaker 1: gone for I think you probably rated me a couple
Speaker 1: of times. I don't know if you because I don't
Speaker 1: know it's people I don't you know, other streamers, like
Speaker 1: if they follow or not I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard, like life is tough and people
Speaker 1: are busy and so but no, I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 1: rated me a few times and I got a lot
Speaker 1: of like because they're like, oh shit, this is the
Speaker 1: guy that vile met to you. Like so it was
Speaker 1: kind of full circle moment, like yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Well shit, Jason, isn't anything else us say to the
Speaker 2: people the computer before we go.
Speaker 1: Just gotta take the first steps.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: It's gotta, you know, even if it's a giant journey.
Speaker 1: As a cliche, that is, this is a quote.
Speaker 2: From Loud Loud Tu. I think it's from the Fucking
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it's from the Art of War.
Speaker 2: I don't know what laud Su wrote, but I don't
Speaker 2: even know who Lausu is, and I don't even know
Speaker 2: if this is a quote by him. But this is
Speaker 2: a quote by Laotsu. It's a journey of a thousand
Speaker 2: miles begins with a single step, has been that's Gecko
Speaker 2: on NPR.
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, no, but I think so many me too,
Speaker 1: Like there are so many times where you're kind of
Speaker 1: paralyzed with fear because you are so worried of failing.
Speaker 1: And that's future Jason problem or future Lyle problem. I mean,
Speaker 1: like today's today, and if you always worry about tomorrow,
Speaker 1: then tomorrow never actually comes. Tomorrow comes, but those fears
Speaker 1: don't because you always put things off put that not
Speaker 1: you the general, like you know, big you, not you individually.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's it's kind of like what you were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier with like when I was younger, Like
Speaker 1: the problems that I had nine years ago when I
Speaker 1: got here are not the same problems I have now,
Speaker 1: And all problems in relation to other stuff are not that.
Speaker 2: Big Jason, great to talk to you, man, And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna follow you. I'm gonna follow
Speaker 2: you on I already follow you on Twitch. I'll fow
Speaker 2: you on YouTube. I'll be keeping up with your ship.
Speaker 2: And I'll let you know if I come to Japan again.
Speaker 1: Dude, Like I said, any on off stream, whatever you want,
Speaker 1: I know, people all you want to make paper, you
Speaker 1: want to go to a take factory.
Speaker 2: I mean you let me know, okay, cool man, all right,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll have to take the trip just for this.
Speaker 1: It let me know. Yeah, But thank you so much,
Speaker 1: and take care of yourself man, like I you know
Speaker 1: you're doing You're doing good man.
Speaker 2: So thank you man, thank you, thank you man. Take
Speaker 2: care of Jason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see you guys.
Speaker 2: That was really cool. Yeah, I oh yeah, I met
Speaker 2: that guy. Uh just he fucking streams sniped to me
Speaker 2: when I was in Japan and we hung out and
Speaker 2: we had this conversation about content and about life and
Speaker 2: stuff and the train and it was it was uh,
Speaker 2: it was great. I really feel honored that he said
Speaker 2: that I inspired him to take the trip, and again
Speaker 2: he's inspiring me. So who knows. Who knows? Yeah, I'm hoping.
Speaker 2: I love I love crazy adventures. I do, I in
Speaker 2: my deep heart. I love them so much. I think
Speaker 2: I've gotten tired because I've been on so many crazy
Speaker 2: adventures over the past, over just the years, and there's
Speaker 2: were also beautiful and I want to keep that part
Speaker 2: of myself alive. So yeah, I don't know. Hopefully the
Speaker 2: folks listening have been inspired by Jason's journey. Check him out.
Speaker 2: Go to Sense Martin on YouTube and then Sense Underscore Martin.
Speaker 2: No crap, I keep calling him Martin. It's Martian Sense.
Speaker 2: Martian Sense Martian on YouTube. Sense Underscore Martian on Twitch.
Speaker 2: Go check him out, go watch him walk across Japan.
Speaker 2: I feel like if I walked across Japan, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: lose any weight because I would just gain all the
Speaker 2: weight back that I was losing by walking from eating
Speaker 2: delicious Japanese food. Thanks for calling, Jason, Hello, Hello, Hi,
Speaker 2: what's your name?
Speaker 3: Seth?
Speaker 2: Seth? I had a friend named Seth once.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: There's no how oh okay, I thought you were gonna
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to struggle to figure out
Speaker 2: what to say in response to that, because there's nothing
Speaker 2: there's nothing about what I just said that invites any
Speaker 2: kind of good way for you to respond. Like if
Speaker 2: I if you were having a conversation with someone and
Speaker 2: you said my name is Seth and they say, oh,
Speaker 2: I have a friend named Seth, and then they stop talking.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of options you have from there
Speaker 2: to response to. There's someone just stating that they have
Speaker 2: a friend named Seth. But you did a good You
Speaker 2: did it as good of a job as you could
Speaker 2: with the given the situation you were in.
Speaker 3: My friend does that a lot. He likes to I
Speaker 3: like to be stuck in conversation.
Speaker 2: What's up, seth, how you doing. What do you want
Speaker 2: to talk about?
Speaker 3: I'm good. Uh well, I have two things I want
Speaker 3: to talk about. Either the fact that I got to
Speaker 3: college and I don't want to do anymore, or that
Speaker 3: I have a friend that are like liked but like
Speaker 3: it's been low key weird, but like more than that.
Speaker 2: Is this a lady friend? Yeah, okay, you have you
Speaker 2: have a friend that you like, but it's been like
Speaker 2: kind of yeah. But the thing is is I've been
Speaker 2: gay okay, and I kind of am, but like they're
Speaker 2: kind of the exception is the thing. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can be on a spectrum of oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just yeah, that part I'm not weird about.
Speaker 3: It's just that's like a little bit of awkward. It's
Speaker 3: more than just the been like completely friend zone friends
Speaker 3: for a really long time and it's just kind of
Speaker 3: like there's not really point anymore.
Speaker 2: M hmm. What how old are you?
Speaker 3: Eighteen and you just moved to the fresh out of
Speaker 3: high school? Yeah, just went to college.
Speaker 2: Where did you go to college? Did you leave your
Speaker 2: like hometown or did you go close to home?
Speaker 3: So that's that's a part of the I don't know
Speaker 3: what to do because I stayed close to home, so
Speaker 3: it's like I'm close to my friends, but my family
Speaker 3: decided that they did not like where we were, and
Speaker 3: so they now live around two and a half hours away.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you like where you were in going to school?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I like the school.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 3: No one's really here, and it's like the whole thing
Speaker 3: has been like I'll just get to college, just get
Speaker 3: to college. Now I'm at college.
Speaker 2: Now, it's like, so you like, you like this girl,
Speaker 2: but it is weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more complicated though, because like, so we've been
Speaker 3: friends since I believe my junior year, and like she
Speaker 3: had this one boyfriend she was friends with for a while,
Speaker 3: but then she they broke up because it was just stuff.
Speaker 3: And then there's another other other dude and he like
Speaker 3: instantly was like in our friend group and we were
Speaker 3: all chilling with him, and then this one camping trip
Speaker 3: shit went down that like indirectly led to like the
Speaker 3: downfall of my entire friend group. So shit went down
Speaker 3: between the dude because he was going to go to
Speaker 3: like military or something, but then he didn't, and if
Speaker 3: he would have left, everything would have been fine. But
Speaker 3: it's the fact that you stay on that camping trip
Speaker 3: and stayed that fucked everything.
Speaker 2: What how did what do you mean that fucked everything up?
Speaker 3: So he was dating my best friend, which is the chick,
Speaker 3: and so he ended up cheating on her and she
Speaker 3: fucking broke up with him, and but she like said that,
Speaker 3: like so they kind of went through like a rough
Speaker 3: thing and they like were taking a break kind of,
Speaker 3: but she said, we can still hang out with him.
Speaker 3: But then apparently she's pissed at us for hanging out
Speaker 3: with them and just is not talking to us at all. Okay,
Speaker 3: I a dude's like, gone.
Speaker 2: I have I have I have thoughts for for you, Seth,
Speaker 2: I have some thoughts. I don't I'm I I have
Speaker 2: some thoughts for you and about your friends being like
Speaker 2: kind of weird and stuff. Yeah, I'm gonna just tell you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kind of tell you my unfiltered gut reaction
Speaker 2: and I don't want to minimize your I'm I just
Speaker 2: tell you what's going on my brain, my in my gut.
Speaker 2: I'm immediately minimizing your problems because they are all happened
Speaker 2: in high school, which once you get older, you realize
Speaker 2: it's not fake. It is formative memories. But very naturally,
Speaker 2: as you get older, starts to you realize, oh, that's
Speaker 2: just so everything was nothing. But I empathize with you
Speaker 2: because at the time it's not it's everything because it's
Speaker 2: all you know at that point. But the fact that
Speaker 2: you just you're eighteen and.
Speaker 3: You just got.
Speaker 2: Into your you're in school, and you're at it like
Speaker 2: a point in life where you where you start to
Speaker 2: branch out of high school and build your own life.
Speaker 2: And when you cool thing about fucking you turn eighteen
Speaker 2: you go to college is that you will start to
Speaker 2: be in charge of more aspects of your life, like
Speaker 2: who you choose to keep in contact with and how
Speaker 2: much bullshit you choose to allow into your life, into
Speaker 2: your brain. And you get older and make it when
Speaker 2: you get you get better at making those decisions as
Speaker 2: you get older, and so I got to be less
Speaker 2: ethereal and bring it back board to where you actually are.
Speaker 2: Is these people that you're talking about the downfall of
Speaker 2: my friend group though whatever, whatever, whatever, how many how
Speaker 2: many people are in this group?
Speaker 3: So originally it was there's seven of us, okay, but
Speaker 3: also there's a little bit more, uh, the camping trip.
Speaker 3: Also ship went down there that led to another two
Speaker 3: people of a friend breaking up, which is what I
Speaker 3: mean by like the downfall.
Speaker 2: Yes, but that that's not That's my promise you, Seth.
Speaker 2: I promise you that information doesn't matter. How many how
Speaker 2: many people are in this group seven?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How many of them? Seth? How many? How much Seth?
Speaker 2: How many is people?
Speaker 3: Do you really like from all seven of them?
Speaker 2: Do you like all seven of them? Is it important
Speaker 2: to keep in contact with all seven of them and
Speaker 2: be friends with them?
Speaker 3: I would like to. And also but like I'm moved also,
Speaker 3: which is so like it's even more.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys in a group chat, but yeah, but
Speaker 2: you're in a group chat, you have Facebook, you got
Speaker 2: discord but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also the friend that's ignoring us, she just
Speaker 3: doesn't respond to anything.
Speaker 2: You can't do anything about that. You can't do anything
Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, every group of every group of friends
Speaker 2: has the one or two people who they just disappear
Speaker 2: and you'll see with them. But I one of the
Speaker 2: things that like you'll figure out is with your friendships
Speaker 2: is like, and I swear I'm trying not trying to
Speaker 2: minimize how you're feeling right now about all this, But
Speaker 2: I really do think this is important. The people that
Speaker 2: you like, you'll put effort into those relationships. And yes,
Speaker 2: perhaps putting effort into one of your relationship ships will
Speaker 2: cause another one of your relationships them to like get
Speaker 2: upset with you, like, oh, why are you hanging out
Speaker 2: with this person?
Speaker 3: Whatever?
Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever you're you have to decide for yourself if
Speaker 2: you think that person is being reasonable or not. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess fucking trying to be a peaceful person and
Speaker 2: just keep in contact with the people you like. And
Speaker 2: then if you're trying to keep in contact with people
Speaker 2: that you like but they're not you're not getting the
Speaker 2: energy reciprocated, it's okay to accept that you have no
Speaker 2: control over whether or not they reciprocate your energy, and
Speaker 2: to mourn the friendship like, oh, that's a bummer. I
Speaker 2: really fucking liked this person and it's a bummer that
Speaker 2: they're not getting back to me, or that than not
Speaker 2: is part of my life. But but you just you
Speaker 2: just I swear my life. You you you mourn it,
Speaker 2: and you just have to mourn it and accept it.
Speaker 2: And you can still really like that these people and
Speaker 2: and and love these people. But if you just can't
Speaker 2: really have you just have such finite time and energy
Speaker 2: in your life too for people for relationships like that,
Speaker 2: and because you because you're eighteen and you're in college
Speaker 2: and you are like prime set up to level up
Speaker 2: your life and make new friends and do new things
Speaker 2: were that are that are ideally drama free. And to
Speaker 2: sit here and talk about this fucking camping trip is
Speaker 2: what is tragic to me, Well because it because it's
Speaker 2: it's neglectful of all all that could be because of
Speaker 2: a fixation on all that that was at such a
Speaker 2: pivotal time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole the the friend group going to crap
Speaker 3: thing though, is like uh huh, it's more I'm kind
Speaker 3: of I'm getting to the point where I'm over it.
Speaker 3: It's just it's more backstory to the am at a
Speaker 3: point where it's like where do I go from here?
Speaker 3: It's like I I just sit here and wait for
Speaker 3: it and just kind of do my own thing and
Speaker 3: see how it turns out. Or do I just move
Speaker 3: on and like go do one of those like Australian
Speaker 3: No not.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know how some people like when they get out
Speaker 3: of high school they go for like the summer, like
Speaker 3: Alaska and like gut fish and shit, just for the
Speaker 3: summer and just come back. I was thinking of like
Speaker 3: doing something like that and just like fucking going across
Speaker 3: the country for the summer. Yeah, dude, fucking to anybody
Speaker 3: do to go to Alaska.
Speaker 2: And never fucking talk about this what this guy did
Speaker 2: that was crazy at the campus. You can go to
Speaker 2: Alaska and talk to strangers and stand in the middle
Speaker 2: of an empty town and look around and go I'm alone.
Speaker 2: Do shit like that. Do things like that instead of
Speaker 2: thinking about your friend that want text your back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to do that. And two of the
Speaker 3: people from the seven they're still like they still like,
Speaker 3: haven't been weird about anything, okay, And I'm still kind
Speaker 3: of close with them, Okay. They still are like trying
Speaker 3: to salvage ship, and I'm like, come on, just like
Speaker 3: I sed.
Speaker 2: I still don't know what Seth, Seth, Seth, I still
Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about. Are you trying to
Speaker 2: get them to come with you? No?
Speaker 3: No, no, so yes is like Seth Seth.
Speaker 2: Seth, Seth, I swear on my seth you if you
Speaker 2: like go ahead and try go ahead and ask them
Speaker 2: if they want to come with you. You know what, Seth,
Speaker 2: you know what, seth fucking complete Go and tell them
Speaker 2: they can come with you if they want. Okay, that'll
Speaker 2: make your just to make your fucking life a thousand
Speaker 2: times easier. I swear my life. Please trust me. If
Speaker 2: you I don't know what your life is like, if
Speaker 2: like how you're gonna get, like what your means are
Speaker 2: to get to Alaska. But if you have the means,
Speaker 2: you have the ability to go, please please please please go,
Speaker 2: Please go and tell them that if they want to
Speaker 2: come with you they can, and then leave.
Speaker 3: It at that.
Speaker 2: Please do that, okay, Like at I like, just go,
Speaker 2: go go alone, get into weird shit. Be if you go,
Speaker 2: when you're alone and it's snowy and it's cold, just
Speaker 2: feel that, you know, like, please just go. Just go
Speaker 2: and tell them you're going and they can come with
Speaker 2: you if they want. Because if you're gonna spend you
Speaker 2: just want to, like to just to to tether your
Speaker 2: growth as a human being to these people because you
Speaker 2: need them is a is a real mistake to make.
Speaker 2: It's a natural mistake of because that gues that's how
Speaker 2: you've been living your life this whole time. In high school,
Speaker 2: you're around a lot of people, but just just go, please,
Speaker 2: just go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have this like underlying though, like once or
Speaker 3: like my through my twenties, I just have this like
Speaker 3: these two friends that we have like a like a
Speaker 3: Harold and Kumar type relationships though, and Loki, I got
Speaker 3: the that's why I want them to come with, because
Speaker 3: like I don't want to have to try to socialize,
Speaker 3: to try to meet more people why besides the two,
Speaker 3: Because it's it's too much effort.
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm so. Can I tell you can?
Speaker 3: I can?
Speaker 2: Ice?
Speaker 3: Seth?
Speaker 2: Seth, Seth, You're too I really mean this. You're too
Speaker 2: young to be this tired. Well why are you so?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: Why are you so? Why are you so tired? Seth?
Speaker 3: No, it's just what I mean that. It's a sin said.
Speaker 2: I mean that as a sincere question. Why do you
Speaker 2: feel so tired right now? Eh?
Speaker 3: I don't really feel tired. I just don't like people. Really,
Speaker 3: they're not my I don't know, I don't like the
Speaker 3: majority of people. I should put it like that.
Speaker 2: Why again, how do you how do you know that? Uh?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just that easy to assume that
Speaker 3: they would be not my people because.
Speaker 4: It's yes, yes, it is easier to assume. It's correct,
Speaker 4: it's correct, it's it is easier to assume. But why
Speaker 4: your life will be your life will be richer if
Speaker 4: you do.
Speaker 2: Not assume.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. I'd be nice, like I I I.
Speaker 2: I said, I sow. I just so badly. I so
Speaker 2: badly because I think about, like I guess, like when
Speaker 2: I was in high school, I think about, like, oh,
Speaker 2: if I knew now all the things I did, you
Speaker 2: can't you You physically like cannot be aware at that
Speaker 2: age of all the things that you don't have to
Speaker 2: fucking care about. And then you get older and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I didn't have to care about any
Speaker 2: of that. And I'm listening to you and I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's just so many things that you don't even know
Speaker 2: that you don't have to care about, and you can
Speaker 2: just go to Alaska.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well that's what I mean is like I don't
Speaker 3: really think it's worth my time to socialize it because
Speaker 3: I'm doing other stuff.
Speaker 2: No, it's no, no, it's not worth your time. It's
Speaker 2: not worth your time to sit around going All my
Speaker 2: friends are being weird and stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, I don't complain.
Speaker 2: It's not worth there's time to No, it's nothing you
Speaker 2: can play. It's just it's not worth your time to
Speaker 2: dwell upon that. It's very worth your time to go
Speaker 2: out of your comfort zone and socialize with people and
Speaker 2: do things that you didn't want to do before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably doing the Alaska thing. I'm just waiting
Speaker 3: for summer, all right, man.
Speaker 2: Well, seth, I if I can, I really feel if
Speaker 2: I can get through to you on anything, which I
Speaker 2: I really I just I really if you I don't
Speaker 2: know if you listen to my show or if you
Speaker 2: care about any of this stuff. It's funny, but just please.
Speaker 2: It's like genuinely tragic to me because I in like
Speaker 2: in college and in my early twenties, and like I
Speaker 2: feel like I went on these adventures and there they
Speaker 2: were really life transformational and it's like feels tragic to
Speaker 2: me to hear you say at at eighteen that you
Speaker 2: assume you're not going to like the majority of people.
Speaker 2: That's like tragic to hear. And I really just hope
Speaker 2: that you, yeah, I hope that you dub that you
Speaker 2: reanalyze that mindset and at least it's okay if you
Speaker 2: if you go put yourself out there when you try
Speaker 2: a little bit and you just decide you're an introvert
Speaker 2: and you don't want to do it, but give it.
Speaker 2: Let allow yourself to go out and collect some fucking data.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I do.
Speaker 3: I do get what you're saying where it's like I
Speaker 3: should keep that open mindset of people.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: But it's just like I do always just have that
Speaker 3: assumption that like I should say that I don't get
Speaker 3: disappointed when people are shitty. I should say okay, more
Speaker 3: like I'm always expecting, not not expecting it.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, are you gonna go ahead? Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go do something, all right, crazy,
Speaker 3: I hope. The other thing is the two friends, like
Speaker 3: how I want to have them go. That's the thing
Speaker 3: is they're kind of lazy and they don't really want
Speaker 3: to do anything.
Speaker 2: Don't fucking wait for them, set I know.
Speaker 3: It would be nice if they game. I'm gonna try
Speaker 3: to convince Seth.
Speaker 2: I'm Seth. I'm actually going to kill you right now
Speaker 2: with how badly I want you to go to No, no, no.
Speaker 3: No, I'm still going I'm still going on.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna try to convince them, don't be an
Speaker 5: interest that they come, but I se without them, Seth,
Speaker 5: can I can you?
Speaker 2: Can you do me a fake? Can you do me
Speaker 2: a favor? Where in Alaska you to go?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if I'm specifically going
Speaker 3: to do something like that, Probably just like an internship
Speaker 3: over the summer, somewhere not here?
Speaker 2: Where do you want to Seth, Seth, do me a favor.
Speaker 2: Whatever energy you were going to spend into convincing your
Speaker 2: lazy friends to come with you, put all that energy
Speaker 2: into researching places that you would love to fucking go
Speaker 2: to and things that you can do in those places.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will do that.
Speaker 2: Do that instead of trying to convince your friends to
Speaker 2: do something that that that they don't want to do,
Speaker 2: which is kind of what I'm.
Speaker 3: Have you been a Montana.
Speaker 2: Montana is one of the states I've never been to,
Speaker 2: but I've been to states around it, and be beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful part of the country to w beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's even it's even prettier than why I'm like you
Speaker 3: should go.
Speaker 2: Do you live in Montana?
Speaker 3: It's very green? I do not.
Speaker 2: Do you have you ever been?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Was this conversation helpful? Did you understand or anything that
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 3: It was helpful. Okay, good, it was helpful.
Speaker 2: Are you all right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right? Is there anything else you want to say
Speaker 2: to the people of the computer before we go? Uh?
Speaker 3: I don't think so, though.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll see around the universe. Seth.
Speaker 3: All right, let's see it.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really, I felt like I get it. I get it. No,
Speaker 2: when you're just when you're in high school and everyone
Speaker 2: is being like weird and stuff, it's it's intense, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to give I was really trying to
Speaker 2: give him my like twenty seven year old mindset on
Speaker 2: what it was like being like in high school. And
Speaker 2: because I wanted I would go back. I wouldn't go back.
Speaker 2: You physically can't. You can't understand how little that shit
Speaker 2: matters when you're in it, because it matters a lot
Speaker 2: when you're in it. Honestly, I could probably say the
Speaker 2: fucking same about whatever problems I have right now. Here's
Speaker 2: you know what's actually you know what? I just cut
Speaker 2: you know what. Here's the thing. All the problems I
Speaker 2: have right now are probably just as stupid as the
Speaker 2: ones I had in high school. And even when like
Speaker 2: I get diagnosed with cancer and I'm about to die,
Speaker 2: which is what happens to all of us, Like when
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, even if I get lucky and
Speaker 2: I'm like eighty and I'm about to die and I
Speaker 2: have cancer, even that is like not even that won't
Speaker 2: matter once I've been dead for you know, thousands of years.
Speaker 2: So I guess all of life's problems are similarly as
Speaker 2: stupid as the problems that we had in high school,
Speaker 2: if you just if you just because I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm just looking back at ten years ago, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: those problems were all stupid. They didn't because they don't
Speaker 2: matter to me anymore. But when I'm thirty seven, I'll
Speaker 2: probably look back, Yeah, my problems from ten years ago
Speaker 2: and go, those were stupid that I don't know why
Speaker 2: I was freaking out about any of that. And I'll
Speaker 2: just keep doing that every ten years and then I'll die,
Speaker 2: and then you know, in a thousand years, none of
Speaker 2: the things that I ever mattered about my life will leave.
Speaker 2: Those will all be every grand problem or it's even
Speaker 2: like dark, serious stuff will have mattered just as much
Speaker 2: as my as my friends in high school having been
Speaker 2: like kind of weird, you know, Okay, maybe that's everything.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I don't I think I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: only I'm not I'm only saying this because he comforts
Speaker 2: me to think about that. Oh, everything is just as
Speaker 2: stupid as the things that bothered me in high school.
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. Even like people who lived a
Speaker 2: thousand years ago had really horrible people who lived a
Speaker 2: couple hundred years ago had really horrible problems. They got
Speaker 2: horrible diseases, and their children would get uh, what's the
Speaker 2: diarrhea thing that they that kids would get in the
Speaker 2: Oregon Trail. Close it starts with the claw, but they
Speaker 2: would get it and they would die. And even and
Speaker 2: now that it's now that it's like hundreds of years later,
Speaker 2: even that kind of matters just as much as like
Speaker 2: your friend, like something that happened in high school, the
Speaker 2: Oregon Trail and everything that happened on it, I guess
Speaker 2: matters as much is everything that happened in high school.
Speaker 2: Kind of is what I think I'm trying to say. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: I feel I feel like I feel like I expressed
Speaker 2: to this thought adequately, and I'm going to stop talking now.
Speaker 2: Goes on the line, making your phone calls every night.
Speaker 2: The reacon goes to his i's teaching your loud in
Speaker 2: the mean of your life that he is not really
Speaker 2: an expert.