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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts and

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Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 1: For almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey

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Speaker 1: to prove the existence of life after death. On each episode,

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Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved

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Speaker 1: ones have survived physical death and so will we well

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Speaker 1: them to Shades of the Afterlife. Did you know about

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Speaker 1: five percent of the population has had a near death

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Speaker 1: experience and that most people believe in the afterlife. They

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Speaker 1: may not talk about it, but they believe. It's a

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Speaker 1: normal human fear that we all have that will be

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Speaker 1: Today on the show, I'd like to introduce you to

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Ring's groundbreaking book in the eighties on the near

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Speaker 1: death experience called Heading Toward Omega. She also did research

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Speaker 1: at the University of Connecticut Medical School for six years

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Speaker 1: on the after effects of near death experiences with psychiatry

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Speaker 1: professor Dr Bruce Grayson. Barbara Harris Whitfield is now a therapist,

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Speaker 1: author of many books, including Spiritual Awakenings, Final Passage, and

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Sandra, I appreciate you asking me to be

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Speaker 1: on and I'm thrilled for the next hour. Oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: thrilled to and um, why don't you tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about you, where you're living, and maybe just

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Speaker 1: a little bit about your past that brought you up

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Speaker 1: to Yeah. We are in Atlanta, Georgia, and my husband,

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Speaker 1: who's an m d and bestselling author he wrote Healing

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Speaker 1: the Child Within. He and I have a practice together

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Speaker 1: where we do individual, group and marriage counseling for adults

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Speaker 1: that were repeatedly traumatized as children. It's a very rewarding

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Speaker 1: field and anybody who's doing psychotherapy with a trauma base

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Speaker 1: is getting to the roots of the healing that we need.

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Speaker 1: And I certainly needed that kind of healing. I came

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Speaker 1: from a very dysfunctional childhood, grew up very very numb,

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Speaker 1: and as an atheist because I remember back then thinking

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Speaker 1: there can't be a God, because God would not let

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Speaker 1: children be tormented the way I was. And lo and behold,

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Speaker 1: at the age of thirty two, there I was in

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Speaker 1: the arms of God. Let me just acknowledge and commend

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Speaker 1: just for my own person. Things that happened when we're

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Speaker 1: young impact the rest of our lives. So if you

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Speaker 1: who they're meant to be. So thank you for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the last twenty five years that we've been together, between

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Speaker 1: the two of us, we've written over twenty books. Thank

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Speaker 1: you his research and mine for together so when we write,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're just bouncing Banford forth between my background

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Speaker 1: and near death experiences and his background and recovery. M

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you, Barbara, I know myself, I've been here,

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Speaker 1: and I know some of our listeners to either have

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Speaker 1: just lost a loved one or afraid of dying, have

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Speaker 1: been diagnosed with a terminal illness. I know there's people

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Speaker 1: that are actually listening at the bedside to some of

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Speaker 1: these interviews of someone who's very very ill. Some hope

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Speaker 1: that from your research and from your own experience, So

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Speaker 1: we'll do some comfort us to like what I know,

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Speaker 1: many near death experiences are different. What are maybe some

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Speaker 1: commonalities and is there some reassurance that we're going to

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Speaker 1: be hopefully met by one of our loved ones and

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Speaker 1: that there is nothing to fear? Yeah, you know, I'd

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Speaker 1: back with many, many people too many to count now

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Speaker 1: as they've died. It's a good place to be if

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Speaker 1: you're scared of it, because I talk about entrainment, you know,

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Speaker 1: with their spiritual vibration and is becoming stronger as their

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Speaker 1: physical vibration is weakening. Yeah, so there's an entrainment if

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Speaker 1: you know what entrainment is it's like their vibration is

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Speaker 1: into where they're at. We've had group spiritual experiences as

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Speaker 1: people are dying, because the whole group that's around them,

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Speaker 1: that loves them, we all move into that piece, at

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Speaker 1: being able to see the tunnel and moving through to

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Speaker 1: the point where they finally reach a barrier where they

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Speaker 1: know they can't continue, they have to come back. And

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Speaker 1: having been there so many times with so many people,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that they're fine when they die

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Speaker 1: because they're waking up to a reality that it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I remember this, this was before and this

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Speaker 1: will be again. So they're kind of gliding into that

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Speaker 1: peacefulness and that law of that we don't understand when

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Speaker 1: we've got a brain with the cortex. You know, we've

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Speaker 1: got to think it over. But the energy of the

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Speaker 1: spiritual energy that leaves the body is back again in

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Speaker 1: that place with whatever you want to call God, and

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Speaker 1: they're okay. The pain happens to those of us that

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Speaker 1: It's so and I mean literally let go because I

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Speaker 1: Every single soul that's going to leave this reality needs

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Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and we're here with near death experiencer

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Speaker 1: and author and therapist Barbara Harris Whitfield. Barbara, before the break,

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Speaker 1: you were saying that people need permission to die. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: somewhere along the line, somebody has to love them enough

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Speaker 1: to say to them it's okay, you go. And when

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Speaker 1: they go, obviously the pain is left with us here. However,

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Speaker 1: if if you had the spiritual experience with them as

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Speaker 1: they're leaving, My experience being with a lot of other

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Speaker 1: families as they'd let go, is that the piece stays

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Speaker 1: with them for quite a while, and even when the

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Speaker 1: you know, is finally over and they have to face

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Speaker 1: their own grieving, they know their loved one is in

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Speaker 1: a better place. And it's all about the selfishness of grieving,

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Speaker 1: because grieving is a very selfish act. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: moaning and groaning over how that person has left this

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Speaker 1: huge void in their life, so it really hurts us,

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Speaker 1: but they're okay. And as we process our grieving now,

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Speaker 1: if we don't use the word depressed and go on

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Speaker 1: an antidepressant time so against that depression is of another

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Speaker 1: way to say grieving. But it's frozen. Real grieving has movement,

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Speaker 1: so over time, Yes, I will always miss that person.

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Speaker 1: Yes I will always have pain in my heart because

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Speaker 1: I love them, But I can get used to living

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Speaker 1: again and allowing myself to feel the grieving when it happens,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't last long if you time yourself, even

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Speaker 1: hard crying can't last more than ten or twenty minutes,

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Speaker 1: and then it's like an ebb and a flow. But

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Speaker 1: if if we lock ourselves into the term depression, it

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Speaker 1: never leaves. I really like how you said grieving as movement.

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Speaker 1: Depression is frozen. I've had people even just reading my book.

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Speaker 1: I've got a big chapter on grief, and and I

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Speaker 1: talked about life after death and stuff um. But you know,

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Speaker 1: one girl gave it to her mom who didn't even

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Speaker 1: want to read it, but she had locked herself in

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Speaker 1: her house for six years after her husband died and

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Speaker 1: was just like, there's no reason to live. I mean,

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Speaker 1: talk about frozen, frozen even in the house. And thankfully

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Speaker 1: she was able to leave and live again. But it's

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Speaker 1: easy to be locked into that. And I think by

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Speaker 1: you sharing your story and so many others, um, it

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Speaker 1: helps us believe and how it helps us have that

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Speaker 1: movement through grief as opposed to being frozen and so

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Speaker 1: die ourselves internally when we lose a loved one, right

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Speaker 1: exactly part of us died again. There are always gifts.

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Speaker 1: There are always gifts that that person leaves for us.

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Speaker 1: Just the understanding of it's better to have loved and

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Speaker 1: lost than to never have loved at all. Just that

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Speaker 1: understanding of how lucky we were to have been able

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Speaker 1: to experience that love is number one lesson. Number two

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Speaker 1: lesson is I'm strong enough that I can get through this,

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Speaker 1: And then there are many other lessons that come along

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Speaker 1: until we realize that life is just one lesson after another.

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody promised us who was going to be

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Speaker 1: pain free. Life is about pain too, but pain teaches

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Speaker 1: to just jump in there and say that I do

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Speaker 1: have one book that helps us to unhook from the drama.

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Speaker 1: Not that we want to unhook from my loved one,

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Speaker 1: but we want to unhook from the drama of it

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Speaker 1: and just hang on with love. You know, will I

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Speaker 1: still be connected to my loved one if I give

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Speaker 1: up all the other regrets and just hang on with love.

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Speaker 1: The name of this book, and it's a very short book,

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Speaker 1: it's less than a hundred pages, is called Asks a

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Speaker 1: f g e s An asking stance for another and

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Speaker 1: growth experience. Oh that's great. Yeah, as soon as we

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Speaker 1: can term it something that will, you know, be funny.

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Speaker 1: It helps us do in hook from the drama. So

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Speaker 1: it's not just about losing a loved one. It's about

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Speaker 1: any drama and life that we get hooked into. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you about some of your books,

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Speaker 1: because I did some looking at You've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of books, lady, But but there is something that really

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Speaker 1: called to me about the natural soul. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: I know that we all have an ego or in

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Speaker 1: my book, I call it the voice, which is like

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Speaker 1: the negative voice inside of us. And then I talked

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Speaker 1: about the soul self, and I think you're talking about

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Speaker 1: the true self. I think we're talking about the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But could you share a little bit about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: The Natural Soul is really part of a series. The

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Speaker 1: first one is Spiritual Awakenings, which is everything I learned

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Speaker 1: in the research over the six years about after effects.

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Speaker 1: So I'm described being all the after effects and spiritual awakenings.

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Speaker 1: But fast forward twenty years and Charlie and I are married,

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Speaker 1: that I can take all of those after effects and

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Speaker 1: put them into everyday working gear. And The Natural Soul

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: is really about what life looks like when we've healed

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Speaker 1: enough to be our true self soul. Charlie calls it

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Speaker 1: the childhood in what does life look like in a

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Speaker 1: healthy relationship with myself, with others and with God. So

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Speaker 1: that book is more very very personal that I had

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Speaker 1: to check with Charlie on certain aspects of stories to

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Speaker 1: make sure it was okay with him for me to

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Speaker 1: tell it. But to me, that's the best way to

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Speaker 1: explain what I'm trying to explain. If I can tell

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Speaker 1: stories about our life. So that is a book about

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Speaker 1: the whole oh gosh, the circle of life. When we

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Speaker 1: finally have gotten to a healthy point where we're not

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Speaker 1: being ruled anymore by our wounds. I see really having

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Speaker 1: that awakening as to who we are and all that

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Speaker 1: negative stuff and the wounds really can be a gift

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Speaker 1: to make us who we are. But then from that

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Speaker 1: point to be into our naked self and get to

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Speaker 1: choose like what our passion is and who we really are,

644
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: that's pretty powerful. It's powerful, it's incredible, and I think

645
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: that's what the goal is. I think that's what my

646
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: mission is. And it's not the big things. It's the

647
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: little things, you know. It's the smile that we get

648
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Speaker 1: from a grandchild. I mean, you heard me raving about

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00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: my relationship with my grandmother. I now have that relationship

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Speaker 1: with some of my grandkids, only now i'm the grandmother.

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: Very nice. Yeah, So it came back, it came back,

652
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: and it's wonderful now to be able to have it.

653
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: But it's really tiny things. I'm not talking about big things.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Well, here's an example. Today, my land

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Speaker 1: daughter comes on Friday to us on the school bus.

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Speaker 1: She's just turning seven, and last year when she got

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Speaker 1: off the school bus on Halloween, I was dressed in

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Speaker 1: a wizard's costume with a high hat, you know, with

659
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Speaker 1: light blinking on the hat, and I had candy for

660
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: all the kids getting off the bus. Well, she must

661
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Speaker 1: have loved it so much that she called me Monday

662
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Speaker 1: night and she she called me mom, she's mom, would

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Speaker 1: you please come in your costume Friday when I get

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Speaker 1: off the bus and give all the kids to candy again?

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Speaker 1: I mean she remembered it a year later. So I

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Speaker 1: am just I can't wait till three o'clock in the

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Speaker 1: afternoon when the school bus comes. Those are the important things,

668
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: and it's just not our loved one, it's perfect strangers too.

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Speaker 1: I really kind. I really love Barbara that you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the little things, because there's a lot of people

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00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: that think do something big, like you have to write

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Speaker 1: a book, you have to volunteer, you have to do this,

673
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: and it's such a relief because people have busy lives.

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00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: But it's it's in the little things that make a difference.

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00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: A smile or you know, random act of kindness, those

676
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: are always fun, or just listening to somebody who needs

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Speaker 1: to be listened to, or just holding a hand like

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00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: that's that's where there. You know. I can't heal politics.

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00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: I can't heal what's going on in Europe or all

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00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: over the world. But what I can do is be

681
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: part of the little things. And if enough of us

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00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: are doing the little things, dad adds up and sooner

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00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: or later, that's going to be big enough that it's

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Speaker 1: going to counter the darkness in the world. I sure hope. So, yeah,

685
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: well we gotta believe so, and we got to keep

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Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, I'm even thinking about when I

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Speaker 1: was at the supermarket yesterday buying fish, and the guy

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Speaker 1: at the fish counter, he didn't hand me the package

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00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: of fish over the counter. He came around the counter

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Speaker 1: so he was close to me, and our eyes met.

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Speaker 1: We shook hands, and we looked in each other's eyes

692
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: and we smiled, and he made me promise that I

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Speaker 1: would come back and tell him how the fish was.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to go back today and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell Mohammed who was m I'm just thinking of

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00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the evil, negative stuff that's going on

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Speaker 1: in the world. I'm also a firm stand that things

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Speaker 1: change and that people wake up, and uh, it's a

699
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Speaker 1: more loving planet. But you know, I often think like,

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Speaker 1: how can people operate like that? You know, how can

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Speaker 1: people do negative things? And it's like, I don't think

702
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: they know. And yeah, and you don't need to have

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Speaker 1: a near death experience to have the wake up call,

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00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: right exactly. I mean I gives I think fifteen triggers

705
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: in my books, but there are more than that now.

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Speaker 1: I mean childbirth Bill w when he started a light

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00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: experience in detax greeting spiritual literature opens some people up,

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Speaker 1: or just being so grief stricken by loss that it

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Speaker 1: opens us up, or god forbid being raped. Women who

710
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: have been raped tell me the stories of being in

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00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: the light. There are lots of different ways to wake

712
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: up spiritually, and my favorite one is no dramatic experience,

713
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: just starting to be aware of the fact that we

714
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: have all these student is going on. It's like that

715
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: leaving his calling heart. You know, here's a coincidence that's

716
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: so far beyond anything that should be happening, and it's

717
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: happening to me. Where are these coincidences coming from? Well,

718
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: and then I start reading about synchronicities, and that's a

719
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: very calm way to wake up spiritually. But the world

720
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: is waking up. And and the evil people in the world,

721
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I see them as being asleep. They haven't awakened yet. Yeah. Sure,

722
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Speaker 1: And you know what, not that I was evil, but

723
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Speaker 1: I was asleep. I was this world was real. You know,

724
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Speaker 1: I wasn't an atheist, but I don't know if I

725
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: really believe. And it's just my nature of looking at

726
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: what my passions are, what I was interested in, And

727
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: suddenly I've got this huge soul growth and now I'm

728
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: doing the unimaginable. I'm sharing about this stuff which I

729
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: never thought in a million years it would be me.

730
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Speaker 1: You know, when I write my books, I think about

731
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Speaker 1: even if just one person reads this and connects their

732
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: heart to my heart, it's been worth all the work.

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Speaker 1: Absolute lead is Barbara, Can you talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the term after effects? That something I just knew

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00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: he had heard of, And I'm like, what is that?

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Speaker 1: Had the pleasure at the Fintorn conference of listening to

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Speaker 1: Danny and Brinkley for two hours. He's he's been on.

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Speaker 1: He's just a perfect example of the after effection. Here's

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00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: a guy that really was a bad guy. You know,

740
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: if you read his book he calls himself an assassin, yes,

741
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: for the government. And before that, when he was a kid,

742
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: he was a really angry kid that was beating everybody up.

743
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Speaker 1: I mean, here's a guy that, well, my dad would

744
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: have called him a no good knick. Okay, so here's

745
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: no good knicks that gets electrocuted twice. I'm a telephone

746
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: and you know he calls it if he answered the

747
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: call from God. And now look what he's doing. He's

748
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: sacked with over three thousand deaths as they die. He

749
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: is just such a perfect example of going from being

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00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: a no good nut to being the natural soul. And

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00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: for me personally, I am a totally different person that

752
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I was before my experience. I was bitter, I was

753
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: shrinking down to half of the size that I am now.

754
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: Goose Grayson used to say that we were on a

755
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: mission from God, and that's just what it feels like.

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Speaker 1: It feels like to me that what we learn is

757
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: we process our experience, is that God can work through

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00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: us when we become clear. One more quick break and

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 1: and we are with Barbara Harris Whitfield, near death experiencer. Barbara,

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Speaker 1: you were just talking about becoming clear. God can work

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Speaker 1: through us when we become clear, and becoming clear means

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Speaker 1: taking care of what we need to do to heal

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Speaker 1: our wounds. And once we held our wounds, which some

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Speaker 1: people call the shadow, I call it baggage. Once we

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Speaker 1: heal that enough, once we're clear, God's coming through us.

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Speaker 1: In fact that we have a book on this that

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Speaker 1: Charlie and I wrote together took us five years, a

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Speaker 1: lot longer than our other books, called The Power of Humility,

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Speaker 1: and we have four levels. In the Power of Humility,

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Speaker 1: most of humanity is wandering around a sweep in that

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Speaker 1: first level, which is conflict, you know, to me against you.

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Speaker 1: When we have humility and we can move up to

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Speaker 1: the next level, which is co commitment, then we've made

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Speaker 1: a deal, you and me that we're committed to these

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Speaker 1: things through peacefully. And how are we going to do

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Speaker 1: that by being humble? And I don't mean being a doormat.

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Speaker 1: I mean being open and willing to learn more about myself,

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Speaker 1: more about you, and more about God. The third level

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Speaker 1: is when we decide to invite God in with us

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Speaker 1: so that there's a co creation there. And then the

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Speaker 1: fourth level of unity. Fourth level is we don't have

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Speaker 1: to invite God in anymore. God's there, that's present in

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Speaker 1: our life all the time, that's present in our hearts,

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Speaker 1: and we're functioning as a conduit for God. I'm quiet

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00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: just because you kind of just hit me personally. Well,

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Speaker 1: conflict is an opportunity to transcend it, to go up

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Speaker 1: to the next level. And then the other couple who

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Speaker 1: wrote it with us, who have a spiritual community in California,

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00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: they challenged us, called them all excited. When we finally

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Speaker 1: figured out on our own relationship how to get to

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Speaker 1: the second level. We called them all excited to tell

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Speaker 1: them the story, you know, and then we put the

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Speaker 1: story in the book, and they challenged us to make

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Speaker 1: it up to the third level. Because this We're going

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Speaker 1: to have more and more conflicts in life. So when

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Speaker 1: the conflict hits me, instead of falling down to the

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Speaker 1: first level where the conflict is define living my life

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Speaker 1: from the third level, then at least I just fall

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Speaker 1: down to two. I fall down to co commitment. You know.

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Speaker 1: So this is an incredible book and they used it

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Speaker 1: to do a two year teaching courts that they have

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Speaker 1: on becoming a Minister of prayer. Yeah, this whole thing

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Speaker 1: is based on that book. And incidentally, the natural Soul,

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Speaker 1: which I was talking about before, sprang out of the

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Speaker 1: power of humility because once I realized, hey, we're doing it,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to write about it, a personal book about

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00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: what happens when you use the power of humility in

856
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: your life, then you become your natural soul. M that's beautiful.

857
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can summon to words when

858
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: i'm feeling, but like right now, I've got to clean

859
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: my bedroom. Right. It seems like a little thing, but

860
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Speaker 1: I have been chipping away at different things that are

861
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: kind of out of integrity for me, getting my finances

862
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: sorted out and whatever. And I'm at the point where,

863
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: even though there's lots I have to do you know,

864
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: clean my room and there'll be some more freedom there

865
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Speaker 1: when there's not a lot of baggage, when there's not

866
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Speaker 1: a lot of and I'm using my messy bedroom is

867
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Speaker 1: kind of a metaphor for like things in my mind.

868
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Speaker 1: But when there's not a lot of clutter, there is

869
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: this possibility of whether you say, connection with God or

870
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: or our true self or whatever, that you can really

871
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: tap into, like who are you? And what is your

872
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: life for? You know? And and and it often opens up.

873
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: I've found that it's like you want to make a

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Speaker 1: difference with someone else. Is that one of the after

875
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: effects too of people that have had ended ease is

876
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: that not only is there less of a fear of

877
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: dying or no fear of dying in can heal some

878
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: of your own wounds, but that you want to make

879
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: a difference with other people. I think that if you

880
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: have humility, yes, but also that some people do the

881
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 1: turn of um where they're holding the Bible all the time,

882
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: they go the opposite way. They're going to jump in

883
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: and just take in self righteousness. Self righteousness to me

884
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: is the opposite of humility. You know. Humility is being

885
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: open to learning more self righteousness is I already know

886
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: everything and I'm going to teach you. And there's a

887
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: big difference here. And the the other after effect that

888
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: I'll talk about now is that a lot of people,

889
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: including me, become more psychic, and for some people that

890
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: don't understand, psychic becomes the goal, becoming more and more

891
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: and more psychic. When psychic is a distraction, and I

892
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: mean the Eastern religions, notice, psychic is a place to

893
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: get caught up, yes or psychicking. Yes we're going to

894
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: help other people, and yes we're gonna help ourselves. But

895
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: there's something else called healing ourselves and being spiritual. And

896
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: the way I some that up and most of my

897
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: talks I sum up the after effects of three categories

898
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: self growth, personal growth, altruism, and spirituality. That's where if

899
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: we're really open to what happened and we want to

900
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: learn more, we want to heal ourselves, personal growth, we

901
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: want to help others. Altruism and we're not afraid to

902
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: die and we want to help others. Spirituality. Wow, I'm

903
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: taking crazy notes here that just keeps moving moving, Not

904
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Speaker 1: that I don't have a recording of all this, because

905
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing so you know, um, David Sunfellow

906
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: from New Heaven New Earth is going to be putting

907
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: up my workshop at Sint Hoorn and this is all

908
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: in the workshop with slides. Once that's up, you will

909
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: actually get slides with what I'm telling you, so you

910
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: don't have to write it down. Wow. Is that in

911
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: that YouTube video or is that something else? The YouTube

912
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: video that he just put up that's from David is

913
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: my talk during the regular conference. Then we had three

914
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: days of workshops like we're a half a day each

915
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: from any of the speakers that wanted to give a workshop.

916
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: So my workshop was on the power of Humility. So

917
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: you can get all that now. I gave you an

918
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: address NDE Stories. Yes we haven't shared that yet with

919
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: what when you shared that story? Stop? It does if

920
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: the listener goes to that website and tights in Barbara

921
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: here at Switfield and all of these videos will come up.

922
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: And if it's not up yet, within a couple of days,

923
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: the workshop the Power of Humility will be up, okay.

924
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: And that website is n d E Stories dot org.

925
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: So I'm just looking at time. What are you passionate about? Now?

926
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: What's on the horizon? What what do you want to share?

927
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, what haven't we covered? What do

928
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: we need to do? Personally? I have to tell you

929
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: you can talk about the little things. My husband and

930
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: I are doing concrete art on our patio. We're right

931
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: in the middle of creating a labyrinth. Oh that's awesome.

932
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: It is awesome. And we're doing it with little tiny

933
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: tiles and concrete eat and paint. Anyway, and what we're

934
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: doing is we're creating something that we can want with

935
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: our patients. Because so many of our patients say that

936
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: they can't meditate. So with this what we have a

937
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: new tool to help them to walk, a walking meditation

938
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: or a walking prayer to clear the mind. Because we

939
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: worked in Europe after we went in Scotland and they

940
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: have labyrinths all over the place of the cathedral. When

941
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: you walk them, your mind settles down, the chatter calms down.

942
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: So anyway, we're building one right now for ourselves and

943
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: for our patients. So that's my local passion. My earthly

944
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: passion is to keep going for as long as I

945
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: have breathed, is to keep telling people the message that

946
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: we do not die, that dying is safe, that we're

947
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna wake up somewhere else. So it's gonna feel so

948
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: good because if we were in pain, the pain will

949
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: be gone because we won't have a body anymore. And

950
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: then you know, I want to come back. I want

951
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 1: to come back again and again because this is where

952
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: the action is. This is where the fun is. This

953
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: is where you think you can cuddle with another person.

954
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: You can't cuddle on the other side. I mean, yeah,

955
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: God's going to hold you. But I'm talking about life

956
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: itself is a joy and it's a horrible pain. That's

957
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: what life is. But this is where the action is.

958
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: I love that. How about any closing words or if

959
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: you wanted to give one tool something that we could

960
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: keep on our mind today as we're going through our day. Well,

961
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: on a practical level, what I have learned about all

962
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: my relationships is when I jump in, especially like if

963
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: my kids are having a problem, and my kids are

964
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: in her fifties now, but my kids still have the

965
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: same on the word, I can think of your stick

966
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: between each other, you know, kind of their own baggage.

967
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: If I jump in and try to help, my energy

968
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: is just adding to what's going on and confusing the

969
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: whole thing. If I just stand back and get them

970
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: unconditional love wherever they're at. I'm not adding to the problem.

971
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm not hooking into the drama. And that's okay. That's

972
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: with my kids and with the rest of the world too.

973
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: Is I hooked in. All I'm doing is adding more

974
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: confusion and more static energy. So it's better to just

975
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: witness and not judge. Becoming the witness in our life

976
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: is so much easier than jumping in all the time.

977
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: So for all listeners, before you jump in, think about it.

978
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: Think about how much better it would be for everybody else,

979
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: and certainly for yourself to just witness what's going on.

980
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: But don't we have an opinion because it's our personal opinion.

981
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: It's just going to confuse everything else. And then on

982
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: a global level, I would say that prayer is so

983
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: important that wants to hear from us. And also one

984
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: more thing. Charlie was in the room, he'd say, the

985
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: best prayer in the world is one word help. Just

986
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: ask for help and watch things change every time I

987
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: ask for help, which is really the third of the

988
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: fourth level that I was talking about, from the power

989
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: of humility. Every time I ask for help in any situation.

990
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: Help comes almost immediately in a totally different way than

991
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: I would have projected or expected, and that help is

992
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: kind and soft. And I may learn a few things

993
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: about myself that I might not necessarily have liked, but

994
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: I've learned about more about myself, more about others, and

995
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: more about the way God works. This is great. It's

996
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: like you created this just for me, and I'm human.

997
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: I know I'm not alone. So you who's listening to

998
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: this right now, take it in personally because it's it's

999
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: super And what that adds too is please accept the

1000
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: fact that we're all humans, and humans aren't perfect. We

1001
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: all have flaws, you know, that's what makes us humid,

1002
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: And just love myself the way we are. Yes. Wow,

1003
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: Barbara Harris Whitfield, thank you for being our guest today.

1004
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: My pleasure. I sure will, And to our listeners. You

1005
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: can find out more about Barbara on her website, which

1006
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: is Barbara dash Whitfield dot com. And a reminder or

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00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: this might be your first episode, I don't know. Our

1008
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: home base is the same title as my book, We

1009
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: Don't Die. We Don't Die dot com. You can find

1010
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things many past episodes You can

1011
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: also register for our free Sunday gathering and in each

1012
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: gathering we have a medium demonstration to let you know

1013
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: that we don't die. You, my friend, are an eternal soul.

1014
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: Your life will go on. But as Barbara said, life

1015
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: here is where the good stuff is, so make sure

1016
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: you embrace everything, the good, the bad, the ugly. There

1017
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: is something to be learned from everything. So I really

1018
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: want to thank you for listening. My name is Sandra

1019
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: Champlain and you have been listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 1: a M paranormal podcast network. And if you like this

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Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear

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