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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Null. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: comes out with our weekly listener mail segment. Now, as

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Speaker 1: you know, August can be a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: crazy time here in conspiracy Land. So we had some

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Speaker 1: And now we're back with one of our favorite parts

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Speaker 1: to show messages from your fellow conspiracy realist. As always,

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Speaker 1: long time listeners, it is uh. It is a bit

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Speaker 1: We hope that you find these as fascinating as we do.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to some weird places. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about ancient aliens. We're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about obscure religious movements, um that you may

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Speaker 1: And then what better way for us to kick it

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Speaker 1: I've got some personal experience with this one. But we've

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Speaker 1: always you know, we've always had this long running joke

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Speaker 1: Are are hapless intern Steve Uh. And sometimes we'll be

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Speaker 1: New's got in my head. But we were lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to receive an email. No, it stood out to you,

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Speaker 1: it stood out to me. I think it stood out

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Speaker 1: to YouTube Matt Uh. Someone actually, well, I don't want

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Speaker 1: the veracity of these events. As recounted by our listener

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Speaker 1: Jankie J. Um, and there are definitely some details I'm

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Speaker 1: subject line is I met my intern Steve that was

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Speaker 1: previously monitoring me. Um. My spouse and I got married

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Speaker 1: stationed in Japan on a ship that shall not be named.

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Speaker 1: Said ship is uh Is. It's quite old, equipped with

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Speaker 1: Then the outs somewhere about this ship was monitoring North

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Speaker 1: just just with all this now, all this this information

430
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Speaker 1: we have, now, I've got to ask you guys, uh,

431
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: matt no, no, matt um, what do you think about

432
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 1: the idea of someone being divinely inspired and accruing followers

433
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: in this regard? Are we all very skeptical about it?

434
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 1: Or where where do we stand on the spectrum here?

435
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: It's super hard to disprove. How do you disprove if

436
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: someone is actually being communicated with by some other entity?

437
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it. You can question

438
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: that person, You could give him a truth serum, even

439
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: you can hook him up to a polygraph, and if

440
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: the person truly believes it, then you're going to get

441
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: the same results, right, even if it's not true. It's

442
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: it's very odd. Yeah, I hear you. Man, Like, the

443
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: the idea here is that I don't know. One of fairness,

444
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: one of letting other people do is they will. But

445
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I think it only really becomes dangerous when that leader,

446
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: whoever they are, is directing people to act against their

447
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: own physical, emotional, or psychological interest. And I feel like

448
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: that's a very easy line to draw because there are numerous,

449
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: numerous alternative we would call them religions where people are

450
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: just fine. It gives them the spiritual solace they need,

451
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: They're not hurting themselves or anybody else. I feel like

452
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: with that in mind, we can totally say let's go

453
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: for it. But I also think I want to get

454
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: in contact with Al. I'm actually gonna do that later.

455
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: Also act surprised, uh unless Swedenborg predicted it. UH want

456
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: to get some more understanding of the idea that he

457
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: had spiritual or psychic powers. This was much more common

458
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: actually back in the day than it was in later centuries.

459
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: Like there was this proliferation of people who felt dividely

460
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: inspired where they made predictions or they claimed to be

461
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: clear avoyance. And ever since that time there have also

462
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: been people who have said, um, that it's bunk, which,

463
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: to be clear, we're not. We're not doing yet. But

464
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: would this would you guys be interested in exploring these

465
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: uh kind of lesser known spiritual leaders, Yes, a million percent.

466
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean this guy, you know this list of works.

467
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: The names are just in and of themselves, fascinating. Doctrine

468
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: of the Lord, Doctrine of the sacred scripture, you know,

469
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: apocalypse reveal, divine providence, um, interaction of the soul in

470
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: the body. Like there's just so much to unpack here.

471
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, I think you know, even like something

472
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: like um behind faith, you know, the like more modern profits.

473
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: I think there is something for an episode and that

474
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Absolutely, it's weird. It's weird to think

475
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: that there are probably just as many people today, if

476
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: not a more, who feel this. I've been just to

477
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: your point of like it. It was more common back

478
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: in the day for people to be definally definely inspired

479
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: or field definely inspired. I think now we just label

480
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: it as some kind of mental health crisis or issue

481
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: rather than what we would consider someone who truly felt

482
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: divinely inspired, right or was hearing voices of another from

483
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: a higher power. Yeah, and part of that is, you know,

484
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: the spread of mass media and ubiquitous communication. Sweden words

485
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: so interesting because what you're describing that that is something

486
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: he experienced as well. A lot of his peers thought, wow,

487
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: this guy has lost it, right, they say, no longer

488
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: mentally fit. Uh. The church of the time actively opposed him,

489
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: and like you pointed out, al a lot of people

490
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: didn't get his writing because it was it's pretty if

491
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: you've read it, if you've read some of it. I

492
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: haven't read all of it, obviously, but if you've read

493
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: some of it, then you'll see that it's very uh,

494
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: very involved, it's very articulate, it can be very advanced,

495
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: and he is actually responsible for inspiring a lot of things,

496
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: a lot of movements that would later that would be

497
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: much more recognizable to the average person to date, Like

498
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: you can see claims that he sort of paved the

499
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: way for the spiritualism movement. Uh. He also had several

500
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: several stories that people went back and forth on when

501
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: he was alive that were um anecdotes about his psychic abilities.

502
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: I think the most famous one was in the seventeen

503
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: fifty nine he claimed that he saw a huge fire

504
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: in Stockholm, Sweden, while he himself was three hundred miles away,

505
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: that he was instantly aware of it. And you know,

506
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: obviously this was before Twitter, so he wasn't just reading

507
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: retweets uh, or they were divine retweets. I'm not sure

508
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: where we land with that, but with this again, he

509
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: reminds me of Edgar Casey. Uh. He also has a

510
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: whether or not, you believe it. He has very developed

511
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: um understanding what he sees is the afterlife, the nature,

512
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: reality and heaven in hell he believes in. Uh. He

513
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: believes in both of those things, like Christianity is very

514
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: much the base. Um. So what I want to talk

515
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: about here is I want to like really explore the

516
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: idea that he may have had strange powers or that

517
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: people believe he did, and some people believe even now.

518
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: So we're going to keep this one short and before

519
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: we go to our next commercial break, just say, al

520
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: expect us to quote to quote anonymous. We won't be anonymous.

521
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: You'll know it's us. Uh. And then we also would

522
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: also love to hear from all of our fellow conspiracy realists,

523
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: other folks that you think maybe examples of a sweden

524
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Borg like figure in the world or throughout history. Right,

525
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: so the Anger Casies, the sweden Borgs, um, maybe even

526
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: the Leads Scalmand, the Coral Castle guy, that might be

527
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: another one. But we looked at that there's a whole

528
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: period of history that is often ignored in the mainstream

529
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: and let's dive into it and let's see what we

530
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: can find if we separate the fact from the fiction

531
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: and find some clarity in the controversy. So let us

532
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: know one sdd w y t K hit us up

533
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com. Read every email

534
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: we get, but don't do it yet because we're pausing.

535
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Word from our sponsor and we'll be back with more

536
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: stories from you. All right, We're back, guys. Uh. We're

537
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna call this segment bunk or skunk as in weed.

538
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: It's skunk weed good or bad? Is I think it's good?

539
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: It's bad? I always thought it had just met it

540
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: was really really strongly smelling. That's that's probably what it is.

541
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: It's just it's about the smell. So it could it

542
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: could be bad, it could be good. I think it

543
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: depends on Yeah, well either way, it rhymes. So we're

544
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: going to decide if this next idea, this thought experiment

545
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: is bunk or skunk. This is silly, Okay. This is

546
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: a message we received from the Baron upon Eaton. Uh.

547
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: And this is what the baron said, Good afternoon everyone.

548
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: This is the Baron upon Eaton. I keep calling that.

549
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: He just says Baron Eaton. This is Baron Eaton. Emailing

550
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: this time because it might be a ramble and Honestly,

551
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: a grand unified conspiracy theory needs to be woven by

552
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: the word, not by speech. After listening to the episode

553
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: about the rainwater becoming dangerous, remember we talked about that

554
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: the forever chemicals in the rainwater. It made me think

555
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: of what this sounded like in my memory banks Venus. Okay,

556
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep going with you, Baron. Then the Eldrich

557
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: horror showed up and poked my squishy human brain. What

558
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: if the Bible itself wasn't about the creation of Earth,

559
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: but instead the terraforming of Earth by the ancient aliens,

560
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: which eventually became us. What if we can't find the

561
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: missing link because the link never existed we had to

562
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: escape Venus to terraform Earth, much like how we look

563
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: to terraform Mars after messing up the Earth to this point, Guys,

564
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: full stop that thought, I've never had it before. That's intense.

565
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: I've never had the thought that Venus specifically was the

566
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: planet from which from whence humanity may have come, or

567
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: or intelligent life may have come. I like it. Yeah,

568
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: it's been there. People have thought about this in the past.

569
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: It's actually part of it is due to the proximity

570
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: of Venus and Mars to Earth, right, Uh, and you

571
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: know you're familiar with the Mars stuff. The idea that, uh,

572
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: is human life now or what is Earth life? Came

573
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: from Mars. But see, that makes way more sense to me.

574
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: The Mars thing makes sense to me because of how

575
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: similar it is to to planet Earth when it when

576
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: it comes to the rocky like super rocky formation um

577
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: temperature difference isn't that isn't as nuts um. It seems

578
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: as though there was at least water on Mars at

579
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: some point. Venus just feels like such a different story. Anyway,

580
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into that. Let's continue with what Baron says.

581
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: Parents says, what if our ancestors knew we would do

582
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: this again and left the Bible as a record on

583
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: how they terraformed Earth but had to cloak it in

584
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: religion after everything sort of fell apart. One can only

585
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: imagine what would happen on Mars if the technology faded

586
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: after the terraforming was completed. It's really interesting idea too.

587
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: The only reason I really tied all this together was

588
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 1: the ancient Greek story of the humans who traveled into

589
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: space and fought alongside the King of the Moon to

590
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: fight the King of Venus. So like they teamed up

591
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: with the King of the Moon to fight the King

592
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: of Venus, Baron said. Barren says, a true story. Satire

593
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: for sure. But what if then we throw in the

594
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: tails of sentience sky whales in Venus atmosphere, because of

595
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: course they would exist. This opens the door for the

596
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: dolphin and Luminatio, or overlords of this world, who keep

597
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: an eye out on us for their masters, the Reptilians,

598
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: who of course reside inside the Hall of Moon. And

599
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: that is how an Idol Monday ruined my life and

600
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: opened my mind up to terrible space horrors that should

601
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: not be recognized. Baron, I got something. I got something

602
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: for you. I got something for you guys to hear. Okay,

603
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: first off, awesome letter, Thank you for ready. I actually

604
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: prefer the emails because you know, you can get links

605
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: with could go back and you do all this neat

606
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: stuff with him. But this this is something you'm t

607
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: you how to see this? Okay. There are some people

608
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: who are interested in something related to what you're thinking about, Baron,

609
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: and the identity of these people may surprise you. It

610
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: wasn't too long ago, back in when NASA themselves came

611
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: out with a climate model that said Venus may have

612
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: been a habitable planet for Earth like life, um for

613
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: up to two billion years of its initial history. We're

614
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: talking liquid ocean, habitable surface temperature, all the good stuff,

615
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: all the works. Uh. Still, that's that's basically a model.

616
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: And one of the simply put this is oversimplifying it.

617
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: One of the concerns, or one of the questions about

618
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: that model for a lot of people is whether some

619
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of ecological disaster or an increation of greenhouse gases

620
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: led to what we know as Venus today, which is

621
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: very much not a fun happy place for humans. Yeah,

622
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: because the Venus in the atmosphere, it is going through

623
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: a runaway greenhouse effect. That's one of the primary reason

624
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: why people think that. Right, So if you check out

625
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: more information from NASA, you you learned that. I mean,

626
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: this is stuff that we learned a long time ago,

627
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: probably in our elementary schools. But Venus is known as

628
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: Earth's twinters, referred to as Earth's twin. It doesn't mean

629
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: they're exactly identical, but the density of both of both

630
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: planets and the size of both planets is relatively similar, right,

631
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: And it's that atmosphere thing that for a long time

632
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: just made people think, oh that thing is I mean,

633
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: nothing can live on that thing. It's it's got this

634
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: super thick atmosphere toxic. Yeah, yeah, carbon dioxide though is

635
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: one of the and the w but also like clouds

636
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: of sulfuric acid. Yeah, that's that's generally no, no no, no,

637
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: this is particularly screaming you know, human habitability, right, Yeah,

638
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: it's all, but it is weird to think that it's

639
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: the hottest planet in our solar system, especially when Mercury

640
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: is so much closer to the Sun. This is so

641
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: hot right now really quickly. I just I just just googling,

642
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: just trying to get the composition of the atmosphere, and

643
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: it's found this article on the Conversation. Just gonna read

644
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: the headline. We can talk about it or move on.

645
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: But I think it's a valid addition. Ancient Earth had

646
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: a thick, toxic atmosphere like Venus until it cooled off

647
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: and became livable. Because even those climate models that you

648
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: were referencing that you are talking about, they don't know

649
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: exactly Okay, if there were if there were some kind

650
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: of liquid water endly environment in Venus other atmospheric aspects aside. Uh,

651
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: people don't know right now what would have changed and

652
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: created that positive feedback loop of an increasingly increative, of

653
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: a word, more and more hostile environment. And again that's

654
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: very that's very earth centric, if not anthrocentric, for everybody,

655
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Speaker 1: because there there may be some kind of form of

656
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: life on Venus right now, and they think Earth is

657
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: a garbage neighborhood. It's all about perspective. But yeah, they

658
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: just have to withstand nine degree surface temperatures. It's fine, oh,

659
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: which is hot enough to melt lead, by the way,

660
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: and uh, what was the other thing is the oh

661
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: the air pressure. It's crazy. Air pressure currently on Venus

662
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: because of the situation above the surface, is about nine

663
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: times that of Earth, which really got my mind going,

664
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Speaker 1: you guys, because I'm imagining the surface PRESSU sure would

665
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: have been relatively the same, right what air pressure would

666
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: have changed, but it still would have been super heavy there.

667
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: And I imagined what if something lived in that pressure

668
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: and then it it decided to exit that planet and

669
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, would it need to recreate that pressure

670
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: in order to survive? Does that make sense? With with humans,

671
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: we have to if we're going to travel down into

672
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: the ocean, we have to create technology that will protect

673
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: our fragile meat bodies from the pressures involved. Right yeah,

674
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: that's why, right, like creatures would a sense of like Logically,

675
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: it follows that they would need special equipment to survive

676
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: without those uh, those enormous pressures, those pounds for square

677
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: hps hi or whatever. But that's I do want to

678
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: say in defense of that poor blob fish whose picture

679
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: gets taken all the time on the surface world, that

680
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: poor guy looks a lot better when he's in his

681
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: natural environment. He caught him on a bad Yeah, well,

682
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: well in that natural environment, that's what I want to

683
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: talk about. So the equivalent of that ninety times air

684
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: pressure of Earth is too roughly one point six kilometers

685
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: or five thousand, two eight feet below the ocean right now.

686
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: This this section of the ocean is called the midnight

687
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: zone or the bathopelagic zone, maybe that's how you say it. Um,

688
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: it's between three thousand feet and feet, so it's a

689
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: it's a nice little zone beneath the ocean where these

690
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: pressures exist. The equivalent pressures of the surface of Venus,

691
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Speaker 1: my thought was, you, guys, what if they observed Earth

692
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: and noticed that the pressures they would need to live

693
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: in comfortably do exist on Earth. It's just you have

694
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Speaker 1: to go under the ocean to find them and live

695
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: amongst those pressures. And then they went down that far

696
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: and built structures to continue their civilization. And those suckers

697
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: are the ones we keep seeing in the skies. Boom.

698
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: We figured it all out, guys, asked the whole time.

699
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: We got them folks. Yeah, especially because Congress just put

700
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: out a very uh, very tantalizing statements regarding U A

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Speaker 1: p Um. I. You know, Matt, I feel like we're

702
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: almost there. I think we're there. There's two percent. Might

703
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: just be really important for us to us to to

704
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: think through because one of the big questions is why

705
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: would there not have been more communication? Did something happen

706
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: to those life forms or entities? Did um the timeline

707
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: aspect of real life events being transformed over time in

708
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: to religion, to folklore to myth right, which are all religion, folklore,

709
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: and myth are very closely related. I don't want to

710
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: ruffle any feathers, you know what I mean, But they

711
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: are psychologically, they're very closely related and sociologically. So it

712
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: is true we're helping build this case here. It is

713
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: true that there are a lot of uh, real world

714
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Speaker 1: inspirations for things that later become folklore and become myth

715
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: and indeed become religions. We would just need we would

716
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: need to really think through the timeline because if we're

717
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: talking about billions of years, right, then we're also then

718
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: challenging some current assumptions about human beings because human beings

719
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: had like what was it, uh, the ones that look

720
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: like you if you're human and listening now. They came

721
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: out of the African continent as we call it today

722
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: about three hundred thousand years ago, but they didn't start

723
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: exhibiting what we would call modern behavior, behavioral modernity, cognitive

724
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: traits that we associate with modern humans didn't get that

725
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: until uh, like almost a hundred and fifty thousand years later.

726
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: So that would mean that or more than three hundred

727
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: thousand years, there had to be some kind of knowledge

728
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: of this thing that somehow got carried through a massive

729
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: sea change maybe poor choice of words here, but a

730
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: massive sea change in human cognition. And I don't know,

731
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: that's tough, that's tough to get your head around, you

732
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: know it is. I mean, the time scales gere r

733
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: are there are the big question or the big thing

734
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: for me, because if there was an advanced civilization on

735
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: Venus at some point, how could we possibly have observed

736
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: it at this point given the missions that we've sent

737
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: to Venus, how close we've been to Venus, even if

738
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: we've taken high high resolution pictures of the surface of

739
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: Venus and mapped the full thing, how would you be

740
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: able to detect uh technological structures advanced structures on the

741
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: surface of that planet given that time scale, Because as

742
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: we know, nature breaks stuff down really quickly, right, so

743
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: you we'ld never be able to observe it. At least

744
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: in all probability, we would never be able to observe

745
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: it unless it was some massive structure that encompassed a

746
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: huge area and for some reason it didn't break down

747
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: amongst all the sulfuric acid. That's just like hanging out

748
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: with it at all times on the surface. The other

749
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: question I have is related to something you already state

750
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: had been that greenhouse effect, like how long really, how

751
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: long has it been going and what what caused it?

752
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: There's no way for us to know that without modeling it.

753
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: As you said, we can make a model of Venus

754
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: current state and try and run it back right and

755
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: just understand will and again using probability and what we

756
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: see happening now this is this is likely what happened,

757
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: and we can build those out. But there's many different possibilities.

758
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just really opened my mind up.

759
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: Considering there are three major missions heading to Venus in

760
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: the short term twenty seven there's gonna be a mission

761
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: called Veritas through NASA. In the late twenty twenties, there's

762
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna be one called Da Vinci, and there's another one

763
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: titled e s a Venus Express. That one just happened,

764
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: and that one, uh was, like I think when it concluded,

765
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: But then there's another one happening. So there's a lot

766
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: of looking at Venus happening right now. Does it make

767
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: you wonder why guys Baron Eaton knows why he seems

768
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: to know something that we don't know where they don't

769
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: want us to know. I don't know, like where your

770
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 1: head's at, Baron, Yeah, I would want to check out

771
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: Venus as soon as possible. And it's it's part of

772
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: the natural sort of evolution of human thought. Right, how

773
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: do you learn more about the world around you? Not

774
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: for nothing is Venus called sort of the sister one

775
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: of the sister planets right of Earth, because, like you described, Matt,

776
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: outside of some very obvious, very dangerous differences, Venus does

777
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: have a lot in common with planet Earth. And you know,

778
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: ultimately the goal of Earth, life on Earth is and

779
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: always has been to expand. Right. We talked about this earlier,

780
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: to propagate, to make more of itself. So maybe, uh,

781
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: maybe sooner than we think, we'll get some of those answers.

782
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Or maybe somebody will land on Venus, which has a

783
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: kind of a younger surface than uh than Earth. Maybe

784
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: they'll land on Venus, and maybe they'll see something that

785
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: rocks the very foundation of life as we know it.

786
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: But I saw you got an idea, Matt. Okay, alright,

787
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: I'm not high. I don't do weet. Uh, I saw

788
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: it marijuana, And then we did work. That's a really

789
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: fun game. I only do not an arc. Just don't

790
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: do we Okay, imagine that, just to imagine you are

791
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: one of these disadvanced civilization on Venus. You have to

792
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: escape your planet because you're really mess things up. Royally,

793
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: you see Earth, you figure out you know that you

794
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: can you can live up in that ocean part where

795
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: the pressure is right, or with technology you have maybe

796
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: even on the surface. You just have to spend a

797
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: lot of your resources building structures and systems that can

798
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: sustain your life. What if eventually they figure out a way,

799
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: after terraforming the planet just a little bit or enough,

800
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: they figure out a way to rid themselves of that

801
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: technology necessary to sustain their life so that they can

802
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: just live on the planet as you know fauna to

803
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: be creatures of this planet. But what if it's not humanity.

804
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: What if we're focusing on the wrong type of creature.

805
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: What if it's let's say, a sea creature. Uh so

806
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: bid I like one of my dreams that they're one

807
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: of my dreams life like a very advanced funus. But yeah,

808
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you on sea creatures man amazing like like

809
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: a whale or yeah maybe or even more different some

810
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: of those super speaky deep deep deep sea ones and octopus. Yeah,

811
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: they're more deep sea creatures being discovered. Uh, let's just

812
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: do it. Let's just like, let's throw the budget into

813
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: getting a submarine and and explore explore the attic depths.

814
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: Short of that, they did just add Planet Earth o

815
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: G Planet Earth back to Netflix UM And one of

816
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: my favorite of those and just about any nature documentary

817
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: is the Deep Oceans episode of Planet Earth UM with

818
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: like the Vampire Squid, and I mean, it's just remarkable.

819
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: It really is like like an alien planet down there.

820
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: Remember when we got the box set exactly. I have

821
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: that thing playing that specific episode playing in the background

822
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 1: so often when I'm I'm researching, especially when I'm really

823
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: paranoid and I'm thinking, I don't want to watch Netflix.

824
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to know it where I'm at, you know,

825
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't want him knowing, Like how much I like

826
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: Iron Chef, which actually the original Lion Chef is on

827
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: It's free. Yeah, I need you guys to watch the

828
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: rehearsal asap. Look, seriously, I've seen the first feel fabulous.

829
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: Really do it. I've only seen the first episode that

830
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch more. It's wonderful. I'll do it.

831
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: It's best about it the better. Don't just seriously, don't

832
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: spoil anything, dude, don't I know you like what you like?

833
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: Still do it? All right? You you you jokers haven't

834
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: seen Nope yet, have you. I loved it. I loved

835
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: every minute of it, and and it's a movie that

836
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: the more I talk about with friends and read about,

837
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: the more I like it more and more and more,

838
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: and the more I want to see it again. Ben

839
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: I will only say this to you about Nathan. I'm

840
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: just gonna out there life life simulator, life simulator. That's

841
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say. For rehearsal or for Nope, well

842
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: microcosm both, it doesn't kind of apply to both. Nope. Yes,

843
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: I think it's his best movie. I think it's his

844
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: best movie. And it was getting a little bit lukewarm reviews,

845
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people didn't quite get it,

846
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: and I certainly didn't immediately. But it rewards, uh, you know,

847
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: further thought and um analysis, and it deals with a

848
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: lot of themes that we talked about on this show regularly.

849
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to see a Benz and

850
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: all three of us can talk about it together. Well,

851
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: I have I know everything that happens. And Nope, I

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Speaker 1: already read the spoilers. Just assume that I'm gonna read

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Speaker 1: the spoilers unless you specifically ask me not to man,

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Speaker 1: that's just how it is. Uh so I will it

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Speaker 1: almost is. You almost can't spoil it. You almost can't

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Speaker 1: spoil it for yourself. It's an experiential thing. With that movie,

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Speaker 1: I would argue you can have you can spoil the beats,

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Speaker 1: but when you really see it and then like, let's

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Speaker 1: take it all into your noggin, it's a different experience.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of experiences, if you would like to take

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Speaker 1: a page from the book of jen Kie, a page

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Speaker 1: from they call him Al, a page from our new

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Speaker 1: favorite Baron, and experience being on this show with us, well,

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Speaker 1: we would love to have you, as they say in

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Speaker 1: share your stories with your fellow conspiracy realists. We try

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Speaker 1: The internet is one place you can find us where

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Speaker 1: we are conspiracy stuff on Twitter, YouTube, and uh the

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Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff show on Instagram. Um. If you don't want

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Speaker 1: to do any of those internety things. You can do

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