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Speaker 2: Martin Weiss is a man that is so big.

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Speaker 1: That one of our steam bosses, Scott Shapiro, texted me saying,

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Speaker 1: you and Martin again this week. He once again will

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Speaker 1: the three of us will have a phenomenal show today.

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Speaker 1: So once again, the pressure of holding down the multitude

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Speaker 1: how do you continue to do this week after week,

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Speaker 1: month after month, year after year.

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Speaker 2: The great Martin wise.

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Speaker 3: You know, Steve challenges make champions and I'm undefeated.

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Speaker 2: You are undefeated. So there you go, Yeah, you're undefeated.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we have a ring baby, and I will

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Speaker 1: not reveal unlike other hosts here, which you do behind

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Speaker 1: the seats. See, I like, I like to allow you

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Speaker 1: privacy and your private endeavors that are separate from anything

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Speaker 3: Hear yes, Fox, what I'm doing honestly, Steven, it may

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Speaker 3: translate to on air soon.

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Speaker 2: I'm cooking up some stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one I am working on. You want to talk

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, That's that's how.

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Speaker 4: We do this.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Coming up, we're gonna have Adam Kaplan joining us,

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Speaker 1: our NFL insider.

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Speaker 2: He will join us in about seventeen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Coming up in the next hour, Mark Madeena, our NBA insider,

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking, of course, nbas We get ready for

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Speaker 1: Game three of the Western Conference Finals, Okase now on

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Speaker 1: the road against the Timberwolves, and then tomorrow will resume

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals. Or the Anyana Pacers continue to

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Speaker 1: be the NBA's worst nightmare as they are taking down

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Speaker 1: the one team that the NBA desperately needed to get

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Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals, That would be the New York Knicks.

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Speaker 2: Chances of them getting.

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Speaker 1: There are next to zero, which brings up this point

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start off with today, Martin. We talk

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Speaker 1: Final fourd and as I mentioned, he got one big

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Speaker 1: market team, obviously, the Knicks trying to you know, claim

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Speaker 1: an NBA championship for the first name since Richard Nixon

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Speaker 1: see Indiana Pacers, zero NBA championships. They did win in

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Speaker 1: the ABA, not in the NBA. You've got the Minnesota Timberwolves,

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Speaker 1: zero NBA championships.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 1: They have won when they were the Seattle SuperSonics back

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine. And yes I'm old enough to

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Speaker 1: But the problem is you have not just the idea

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Speaker 1: here's something I want to I want to do all

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Speaker 1: identity stuff with you right now, Martin at the top

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Speaker 1: this series between OKAC and Minnesota two of the great

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Speaker 1: so we'll just use the names. So we got SGA

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Speaker 1: Obviously you know these guys, Anthony Edwards, Shake Guild. Does

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean she is.

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Speaker 1: She is identifiable, which is what you want. This is

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Speaker 1: the problem with the NBA has right now when people

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Speaker 1: Our seventh different NBA champion over the next last seven years.

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Speaker 2: Seven different champions in seven years.

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Speaker 1: Are like, isn't that great? Isn't great to have parody? No,

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Speaker 1: it sucks. It sucks for the league because you lose

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Speaker 1: an identity. How did Steph and Lebron become so identifiable?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. They faced each.

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Speaker 1: Other year after year after year after year in the

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Speaker 2: But it takes time.

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Speaker 3: You have to like Stephan Lebron at one point played

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Speaker 1: Giannis was was the guy at the moment, right Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: And the next thing you have, you have the joker.

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Speaker 1: You have Jason Tatums heard this postseason?

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Speaker 2: Have you not enjoyed this?

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Speaker 3: Not talking about the last two or three There was

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about this one. We are fair game here. Look,

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Speaker 1: Watching today with my son a replay of the fourth

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Speaker 1: I love seeing the Knicks lose. I mean I love

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Speaker 1: I enjoy how good OKAC is Finally Okase is Now

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Speaker 1: remember what we said about OKAC before the playoffs, right,

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Speaker 1: Now they all of a sudden have realized, Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: And win an NBA championship.

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Speaker 1: May not happen, but I think that's their destiny right now,

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Speaker 1: because they are the best team in the NBA. You

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Speaker 2: But where the NBA is missing.

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Speaker 1: Out right now, Martin is they're not doing an effective

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Speaker 1: I mean, shay Gil just Alexander League MVP. You know,

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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden next year it's somebody else.

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Speaker 3: But all right, so, but where does the door start

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Speaker 3: to evolve? Because this SGA do all the things you

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Speaker 3: because you said nothing about officiating.

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Speaker 2: Now, but I'll agree with you about all the things

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Speaker 1: By the way, after accepting that MVP trophy, did did

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Oh god, that's a different topic for about ten minutes

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Speaker 3: fromn hour whenever we get to it. But okay, so

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Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is what we have right

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Speaker 3: Top of the NBA over the last five years, I

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Speaker 3: wasn't the consecutive can this team three, Peter, this is

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Speaker 3: how Caitlin Clark is like, you know what, somewhere between

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Speaker 3: that's what we said. Those guys are phasing out. And

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Speaker 3: guess what, right now we are building the legends of

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Speaker 1: But you have to build on him, and that's the

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Speaker 1: whole point. We're just talking flavor of the month, okay.

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Speaker 1: And and this is the problem when you have parody,

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Speaker 1: when you have a revolving door of champions, just when

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Speaker 2: Or there is the problem all the focus about is

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Speaker 3: If you look, if you strap played out to just

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Speaker 3: the final four, the Boston Celtics made the Eastern Conference finals.

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Speaker 2: What is, off the top of my.

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Speaker 3: Head nine of the last twelve seasons like that, they

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Speaker 2: You know what a team that was like black no,

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Speaker 1: all right. So Adam I told that everyone a week

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Speaker 4: There's a reason we'll get out. I want to.

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Speaker 6: Well, what it is is they want a situation where

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Speaker 6: But they're not gonna be asking them to do that.

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Speaker 6: But they've been pushing this agenda. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 6: Well that's ridiculous. But but what I will tell you

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Speaker 2: They caused it.

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Speaker 4: Not gonna happen in our lifetime.

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Speaker 2: Brother, Well, in the long future it might.

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Speaker 3: Texas will secede from the Union before.

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Speaker 6: There's a reason why they're doing this, Okay, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: And it's part of their motivation. It's a big part

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Speaker 1: And if you get the greatest players in the world

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be saying, Wow, I.

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Speaker 1: Had no idea flag football, which my kids have been

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it won't have anything to do with our contracts

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Speaker 4: But now it's great.

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Speaker 6: and all the great linemen. It's too bad that they

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Speaker 6: didn't start doing this years ago with all the great

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Speaker 6: linemen that Steve and I grew up with, of course

446
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Speaker 6: of the seventies and eighties and nineties. But look, it's good. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 6: this just came out. This just came about the Protector Award.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a I think it's a good thing.

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Speaker 6: And you know that's these awards could be nuanced, like

451
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Speaker 6: it would be nice, like the best safety in the

452
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Speaker 6: national food We don't recognize.

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Speaker 4: That like a Pro Football Writer Association, right, which I

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Speaker 4: vote for. It's the BYO.

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Speaker 6: And it's not a criticism of the AP Award because

456
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Speaker 6: that's some one that's recking nuts for contracts.

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Speaker 4: But we're way more detailed.

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Speaker 6: We go into so many different categories, but we don't

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Speaker 6: sub it in like okay, best cornerback, best Safety.

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Speaker 4: I love to vote for that. I wish there'd be

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Speaker 4: something like that, but there really isn't.

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Speaker 1: All right, so I'm gonna give you a little history

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Speaker 1: lesson here about the AP Awards. They started in nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifty seven, and they had a Most Valuable Player award

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Speaker 1: and they had Back of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Linemen of the Year.

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Speaker 1: So the first three years it was an MVP, Back

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Speaker 1: of the Year Lineman of the Year. Interesting, and then

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Speaker 1: they didn't have any awards in nineteen sixty. When they

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Speaker 1: resumed in sixty one, they just had the MVP, and

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Speaker 1: eventually they introduced the Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, for college football, they've had the Outland Trophy forever,

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Speaker 1: so I don't see why they don't have some kind

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Speaker 1: of lineman awards.

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Speaker 4: Steve, I agree, I don't know why they don't do it.

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Speaker 3: Steve, who'd you vote for in fifty seven?

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Speaker 2: Well, actually I was born in fifty eight, So there

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Speaker 2: you go. They know, Adam, I'm to ask you.

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Speaker 3: I saw Sean Payton talking about this, and it's just

481
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Speaker 3: an interesting thing to me. With the state of college football,

482
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Speaker 3: the transfer portal, it seemed as if, well Sean said,

483
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Speaker 3: it's not by accident. There's some coincidences, but in the overview,

484
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Speaker 3: not by accident. That they seem to avoid drafting guys

485
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Speaker 3: who had transferred a bunch of times are transferred at all,

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Speaker 3: what's the thought process there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so what happened?

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Speaker 6: Look, first of all, if a guy is going to

489
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Speaker 6: get money to transfer, that that there's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 6: But guys who transferred transfer transfer transfer just to get money, because.

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Speaker 4: They're going to look at like, what do you love football?

492
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Speaker 2: Do you love money?

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Speaker 6: Because that doesn't matter when teams put in scouting reports,

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Speaker 6: like the scout will know what's more important. He better

495
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Speaker 6: know by the way, he better know about the football character.

496
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Speaker 6: That's the term because if you can't trust the player,

497
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Speaker 6: if the players all about money. I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 6: Remember Isaiah Wilson was the first round pick for the Titans. Okay,

499
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Speaker 6: didn't love football like the money that afforded him, and

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Speaker 6: he flamed out. He actually was a total bush. That

501
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Speaker 6: was Now, I know the Titans were shocked by it.

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Speaker 4: They didn't. They didn't.

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Speaker 6: They obviously missed on that pick. They should have known it.

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Speaker 6: But those are the kind of guys that you want

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Speaker 6: to avoid. Guys who clearly don't love football want the

506
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Speaker 6: money and if they continue because of the money. Now

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Speaker 6: it's in college football with a transport with nil. That's

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Speaker 6: the other thing is guys is like they're gonna a

509
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Speaker 6: lot of these guys are second or third up picks.

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Speaker 4: May stay, you know.

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Speaker 6: That's the big thing now is these guys may stay

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Speaker 6: in college, but they might transfer to get more money.

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Speaker 2: It's a problem, all right. Final thing I want to

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Speaker 2: ask about Jim Rsay. His father, Robert Rsay, was one

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Speaker 2: of the most despicable human beings.

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Speaker 1: That ever walked the face of the earth. Jim, by

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Speaker 1: all accounts, was a really good guy. Yeah, well loved Unfortunately,

518
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Speaker 1: he had demons that ultimately shortened his life. But just

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about how Jim Rsay, you know,

520
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Speaker 1: his brother passed, you know, his sister had passed aways

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Speaker 1: he sort of fell into this, you know, after the

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Speaker 1: passing of his father, and how he was able to

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Speaker 1: take all the naggat activity that Robert Ursay had, you know,

524
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Speaker 1: abandoning Baltimore, moving to Indianapolis, and how Jim Ursay was

525
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Speaker 1: able to not just really put a positive light on

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Speaker 1: the Coals but making one of the most successful franchises

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Speaker 1: in the league.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Steve, I think what the coolest thing is you

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Speaker 6: mentioned in passing there the things he's done out of

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Speaker 6: football or off the field. For In fact, there's a

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Speaker 6: there's a really good thread from Eric Burkhardt, who is

532
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Speaker 6: a veteran NFL agent. He's got a lot of top players,

533
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Speaker 6: and there's a story that Eric put up there on

534
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Speaker 6: Twitter a couple of days ago, right after Jim passed

535
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Speaker 6: a couple of hours later, where I mean, he went

536
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Speaker 6: out of his way to provide his jet and for

537
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Speaker 6: a family that needed it, and he didn't want anyone

538
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Speaker 6: to know. He didn't want it out there. He's given

539
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Speaker 6: away so much money and you know he asked the

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Speaker 6: families not to say anything. I mean got this was

541
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Speaker 6: a great steve. I'm glad you mentioned it. He's done

542
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Speaker 6: a great a lot of great things in his life.

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Speaker 2: Demons.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's been well documented. You know, this is an

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Speaker 6: interesting fact. Most people don't know this. In fact, unless

546
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Speaker 6: you're a diehard Calfin, you probably don't know. He was

547
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Speaker 6: once a general manager for many years before Bill Pollion.

548
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Speaker 6: And and you know, I'm glad that they got the ring.

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Speaker 6: I'm so glad that they got that. You know, with

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Speaker 6: Peyton Manning that was a big thing. Hiring Tony Dungee

551
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Speaker 6: and Bill pollion.

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Speaker 4: That was big, uh.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, he was a very supportive owner.

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Speaker 4: Definitely different. I've talked to.

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Speaker 6: People I've interviewed with him, sort of a mercurial guy,

556
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Speaker 6: a little different, but.

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Speaker 4: Good, really good heart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all really it matters at this point is

560
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Speaker 6: that he did so many great things for people. And

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Speaker 6: I'm so glad you brought that up, because that's the

562
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Speaker 6: thing people forget when they try to do a bio

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Speaker 6: on people.

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Speaker 4: Oh they got to mention this and that. I get that.

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Speaker 6: But the best part about him is the quality human being.

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Speaker 6: That that's most important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the polar opposite of his father, which is a

568
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Speaker 1: good thing for Jim Orsay.

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Speaker 2: He will be missed. Great stuff is always out of way.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it so much.

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Speaker 1: And well, Mart and I are going to get back

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Speaker 1: to we're on fire today.

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Speaker 2: That's all I can say. You just like to poke

574
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Speaker 2: the bear. I don't poke the bear.

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Speaker 3: You don't even rile me up that much. It's just

576
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Speaker 3: that all of America can hear us right now.

577
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Speaker 2: I know, And this is podcasting for forever. It could

578
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Speaker 2: it could go into the Library of Congress one day.

579
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Speaker 3: Steve as what sports radio is you know, for fifty

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Speaker 3: a million years from now when there is no more

581
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Speaker 3: NFL because you've had your way.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's talking sports, but that's a personal

583
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Speaker 1: preference on my part.

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Speaker 2: Adam, great stuff. We'll talk to you next week. There

585
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Speaker 2: he goes, the great Adam Kaplan.

586
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Speaker 1: All right now, So I mentioned at the very top

587
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Speaker 1: of the show, a man that wears many hats. Let's

588
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Speaker 1: find out what is trending right now, and here he

589
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Speaker 1: is once again, Martin Weiss.

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Speaker 3: You know, Steve, I think it's I think it is

591
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Speaker 3: telling that I also played the role of news anchor

592
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Speaker 3: on this show, the guy who's delivering the news and

593
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Speaker 3: the facts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just give us the facts. That's the key.

595
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, there's time for commentary and then sometimes you

596
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Speaker 1: just need the facts.

597
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: On top of the eighth inning, the Reds extending their

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Speaker 3: lead on the Cubs six to two. Top of the

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Speaker 3: ninth inning, the Braves extending their lead on the Padres

600
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Speaker 3: seven to one, Astros two to one over the Mariners,

601
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Speaker 3: and the bottom of the eighth. Bottom of the sixth

602
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Speaker 3: the White Sox coming from behind to take a eight

603
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Speaker 3: to four lead over the Rangers, and the Yankees thirteen

604
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Speaker 3: to one over the Rockies, Aaron Judge hit a home

605
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Speaker 3: run and that when this is eighteenth.

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Speaker 2: Of the year.

607
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Speaker 3: Earlier today, the Red Sox came from behind and beat

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Speaker 3: the Orioles in a double header game one.

609
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Speaker 2: That's when we rescheduled from yesterday.

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Speaker 3: They'll play the second one in just the bid Royals

611
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Speaker 3: and the Twins. Minnesota with the five to four win.

612
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Speaker 3: Cardinals beat the Diamondbacks six to five, Pirates double up

613
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Speaker 3: the Brewers two to one, and the Nationals take a

614
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Speaker 3: three nothing win over the Giants and the WNBA. The

615
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Speaker 3: Atlanta Dream beat the Dallas Wings eighty three to seventy five.

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Speaker 3: The New York Liberty beat the Indiana Fever ninety to

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Speaker 3: eighty eight. Unkleill Jones with twenty six points, Sabrina e

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Speaker 3: and st twenty three. Caitlin Clark finished with eighteen. And

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Speaker 3: we are nearing puck drop and tip off for two

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Speaker 3: different game threes at that Stanley Cup Champion Panthers leading

621
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Speaker 3: the Carolina Hurricanes two to nothing, and the champion what

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Speaker 3: do they call the guy the team that was the

623
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Speaker 3: best in the Western Conference, the one seed? The one seed?

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Speaker 3: Is that a regular season champion?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Regular season champion? Yeah?

626
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Speaker 3: Western Conference regular season champion Oklahoma City Thunder. I don't

627
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Speaker 3: like the way it sounded as I thought about it.

628
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Speaker 2: No, they're the one seed.

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Speaker 1: The winner of this series gets that trophy as conference champions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nyah, I like that bet all right? The one seed.

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Speaker 3: Uh, they're up to nothing on Minnesota Game three tonight

632
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Speaker 3: in Minnesota. They're a two and a half point favorite.

633
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Speaker 3: Steve pop quiz. What is their Thunders record against the

634
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Speaker 3: spread as a favorite in their last five games?

635
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Speaker 1: I would say five games against the spread?

636
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Speaker 2: Five and zero. They didn't They didn't cover the spread

637
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Speaker 2: in these last couple of games.

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Speaker 3: I thought, I'm pretty sure I saw the tweet' about

639
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Speaker 3: to double check you.

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Speaker 1: But in a second they won double They were more

641
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Speaker 1: than double digit favorites against the t Wolves.

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Speaker 3: Let me double check they were. Okay, No, that's what

643
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Speaker 3: I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: They didn't. They're oh and five. They didn't not cover.

645
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Speaker 2: They weren't.

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Speaker 3: They were double digit favors and didn't cover.

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Speaker 1: They didn't cover. What was the final scores that I see?

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Speaker 1: The problem was the games were getting such blowouts. In

649
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Speaker 1: Game one and two of the series, as the Thunder

650
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Speaker 1: were pulling away, I wasn't really paying.

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Speaker 2: Attention to final scores. I'm not a gambler.

652
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Speaker 3: So yeah, thunder, oh this was the key on the

653
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Speaker 3: road thunder as in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And you ask the right question and five five that

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Speaker 1: makes sense, all right. So what you're saying is bet

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Speaker 1: your life savings on the t Wolves tonight. The dogs

657
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Speaker 1: are the tea Walls dogs at home and a half

658
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Speaker 1: point five.

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Speaker 2: Al right, so there you go.

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Speaker 3: I mean I could make my life savings back in

661
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Speaker 3: about an hour doing radio, So that's not it. And

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Speaker 3: that's not a reflection on the pay here.

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Speaker 2: You'll always see it pop up at the top of

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Speaker 1: All right, So you were accusing me accurately that I

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Speaker 1: like to poke the bear. Okay, just it's I'm an

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Speaker 1: antagonist by nature, Okay, So I like to do that.

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Speaker 2: And when I feel like it's going to give.

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Speaker 1: A spark, especially to someone as outspoken as you are, Martin,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take full advantage of that.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of poking the bear.

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Speaker 1: With all this attention that Belichick has been getting with

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Speaker 1: his now young fiance, apparently it.

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Speaker 2: Depends on who he asks.

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Speaker 3: If you ask her, apparently apparently I saw they did

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Speaker 3: change the name of the boat.

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Speaker 2: But the thing about it is this entire unfolding of

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Speaker 2: this relationship with Belichick and Jordan Hudson. To me, is

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Speaker 2: a guy that you talk about poking the bear. Belichick

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Speaker 2: is the old timer.

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Speaker 1: You remember that video that came out of nowhere a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago where he walked out of some

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Speaker 1: building shirtless.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Sure? Remember that?

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Speaker 4: It was like.

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Speaker 1: Belichick, you know, you know, the walk of shame. Right,

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Speaker 1: This doesn't happen by accident. Belichick is the consummate individual

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Speaker 1: that loves to poke the bear. He loves to play

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Speaker 1: games of the media. Who knows what the real relationship

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Speaker 1: is going on between he and Jordan Hudson. Really I

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Speaker 1: could care less, but he makes it intriguing. So while

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Speaker 1: everyone keeps looking at her as some kind of instigator

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Speaker 1: at all, look at her, She's say, you know, gold digger,

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Speaker 1: whatever her motivation is to get the attention. I think

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Speaker 1: it's just the polar opposite. I think it's Belichick orchestrating

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Speaker 1: this entire charaye. Why he's doing it, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think he gets a laugh out of it. We

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Speaker 1: never see the guy smile, but behind closed doors, he

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Speaker 1: is laughing his ass right now that people are paying

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Speaker 1: so much attention to that. That is my take on

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Speaker 1: what's happening with Belichick and his girlfriend or fiance, if

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Speaker 1: she is.

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Speaker 3: I just think that tracks in exact opposite of what

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Speaker 3: we have known from Bill Belichick in his public persona

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Speaker 3: over the last twenty years. Like everybody always said that

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Speaker 3: he was a jokester and always had fun, and you

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Speaker 3: actually meet Bill, he's got a lot of charisma. But like,

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Speaker 3: wasn't Bill's way of playing with the media just going

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Speaker 3: throwing to Cincinnati?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean that, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't his way of like putting fifty three players questionable

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Speaker 3: on an injury report like, was it that like this?

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Speaker 3: To me, honestly sounds like if I was in Belichick's family.

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Speaker 3: I let's just say it like this. I'm not in

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Speaker 3: Belick's family. I'm not going to pretend I am as

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Speaker 3: someone who observed Bill Belichick with a close eye of

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Speaker 3: the National Football League for the last twenty I say,

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Speaker 3: twenty years of my life from fifteen to now this,

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Speaker 3: I keep a pretty.

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Speaker 2: Close hye on things.

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Speaker 3: Bill Belichick has always been no distractions, do your job,

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Speaker 3: so on and so forth. If Bill Belichick is the

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Speaker 3: Patriots coach, was walking in to watch Bill Belichick the

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Speaker 3: North Carolina coach. If Bill Belichick three Super Bowls in,

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Speaker 3: saw Bill Belichick now in North Carolina, he'd be like, Bill,

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Speaker 3: what the hell has happened to you?

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the reality of Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 3: And maybe he grew up. Maybe maybe No, I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying you grew up, dude. I didn't mean grow up

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Speaker 3: in a way of like which, you know, like midlife,

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Speaker 3: quarter life crisis, whatever they call that. You know, maybe

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Speaker 3: this was his version of getting a motorcycle.

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Speaker 1: Here is the fact of Belichick's record in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League as a head coach in the eleven years

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Speaker 1: that he coached in the NFL where Tom Brady was

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Speaker 1: not his quarterback. That would be his five years in Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: his first year in New England, the year that Brady

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Speaker 1: got hurt in the very first game, and then the

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Speaker 1: last four years in New England. In those eleven years

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Speaker 1: without Tom Brady as his quarterback, he won one playoff

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Speaker 1: game one and that was with Cleveland. So think about that,

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Speaker 1: without Tom Brady he won one playoff game in eleven years.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to be Tom Brady quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Belichick will actually coach at North Carolina?

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Speaker 2: I do? I do? If not, then why, like I

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Speaker 2: should I put it like this?

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Speaker 1: I remember there's a buyout on June first for one

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Speaker 1: million dollars. Now they would also have to pay off

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Speaker 1: all the assistance he hired because they're under contract as well.

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Speaker 2: But the buyout goes June first to go where If I.

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Speaker 3: Put it like this, if he doesn't coach North Carolina,

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Speaker 3: I think he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Coach every Well, I'm not talking about him making the decision.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about North Carolina saying you know what, this

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Speaker 1: is not what we signed up for.

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Speaker 2: Well, May that very well, maybe that very well.

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Speaker 3: It depends on how deep like without being Pablo Torre

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Speaker 3: and knowing the exact ins and outs of all the Hudson,

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Speaker 3: BELICHICKI and whatever, right, without just reading the reports as

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Speaker 3: they come out, which get weirder and weirder by the day.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the weirdest one has come out yet,

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Speaker 3: So I am not going to plant my flag or

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Speaker 3: what North Carolina will do. I've always approached this situation

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Speaker 3: from the idea that North Carolina is at face value,

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Speaker 3: on board with everything that is going on now. If

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Speaker 3: that changes, then sure. But if Bill Belichick does not

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Speaker 3: coach in North Carolina this season, he'll never coach another

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Speaker 3: game again. I just don't The other side of the

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Speaker 3: conspiracy theory doesn't make enough sense to me. If you

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Speaker 3: told me that there was Matt NFL teams signing up

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Speaker 3: to the hire Bill Belichick, if each on me that

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Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer had was on the way out the door

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Speaker 3: instead of on the way in the door in Dallas

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Speaker 3: and Jerry was on the phone with Old Billy, I

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Speaker 3: have a different opinion about this.

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Speaker 2: But the phone ain't ringing for Belichick. The only thing

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Speaker 2: ringing is the ring camera that was the camera that

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Speaker 2: caught him shortless Steve, the ring camera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that's just by accident, right, just just

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Speaker 1: by accident.

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Speaker 2: That ring camera just happened to be there. And oh

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Speaker 2: how did that video actually get out? Okay, just remember that.

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Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to talk about the.

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Speaker 1: Biggest Major League Baseball story that nobody is talking about

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Speaker 1: except us.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio, Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Steve Harvey, Martin Weiss with you. We are live from the.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio studios, coming out at about ooh how

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Speaker 1: and half Buffalo over an hour and a half Game

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Speaker 1: three Western Conference Finals t Wolves Home Dog against OKAC

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Speaker 1: Martin RRII told you bet the bank on the t.

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Speaker 3: Wolves the piggy bank. Maybe the piggy bank.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we learned earlier Martin about your infatuation

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Speaker 1: with the parody in the NBA. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: parody in sports these days, almost across the board.

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Speaker 2: MLB is certainly no exception.

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Speaker 1: So if I were to, I'm gonna give you some

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Speaker 1: names for the people listening out there, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: ask you if any of these names register with you, okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you four names, okay, and they happen

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Speaker 1: to be teammates. Do not jump in, Martin, because I

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Speaker 1: know you'll know the answer. But I'm just gonna throw

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Speaker 1: these out. Casey Mize, Rhys Olsen, Carrie Carpenter, Riley Green, anybody, anybody,

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Speaker 1: Riley Green, Carrie Carpenter, Reese Olsen, Casey Mice.

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Speaker 2: I know what they all have in common.

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Speaker 1: Well tell the world, because most people listening right now

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Speaker 1: have no clue who thosemates. You got to give people more,

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, oh really.

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Speaker 3: I mean Casey mis was number one overall pick in

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Speaker 3: the draft a few years back.

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Speaker 2: People do not follow the MLB draft, You know that, right?

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Speaker 3: All of these guys were all of them, I believe

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Speaker 3: were first round picks in the Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: How many people follow the Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not saying they had to follow the Major

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Speaker 3: League Baseball draft, but if they followed the best team

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Speaker 3: in the American League at any point this season, they

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Speaker 3: would have knowledge of all three of them. And if

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Speaker 3: they followed the surprise darlings of last year after the

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Speaker 3: Midsummer Classic, you would have seen Reese Oulsen and Riley

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Speaker 3: Green and who else you say, Jimmy Mice and one.

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Speaker 1: More, whould you say I have Riley Green, Carrie Carpenter,

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Speaker 1: carry Carpenter for Spencer Torkleson last year had blasting ball

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Speaker 1: since and mind you torkle since back.

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Speaker 3: And now all of those people they should know who

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Speaker 3: Hovey Bay is is, who has somehow came back from

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Speaker 3: the dead for the best team in the American League.

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Speaker 1: If they can only get rid of Jack Flaherty. Have

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Speaker 1: we not seen enough of Jack Flherty? He's sitting there

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Speaker 1: with a record of two and six on a team

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Speaker 1: with the best record in the American League. Just take

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Speaker 1: that two and six off the ledger. Imagine where they

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Speaker 1: would be right now. But in Casey Mice, seven games,

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Speaker 1: seven starts, six and one, that's where he is right

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Speaker 1: now with a two fifty three e r A. You're

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Speaker 1: right about Casey Mice. This is a guy that's going

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Speaker 1: to be a future star, just like you know Trek

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Speaker 1: Scooball sort of came out of nowhere for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people a year ago to win the American League

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Speaker 1: Triple Crown of Pitching.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows heard well?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: They all know about him, but that'll that'll happen. So

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Speaker 2: scoop school ball, Schoobal School school School. Oh it's too balloo.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of get Terrek School.

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Speaker 1: Uh, all right, so I want it on the record

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Speaker 1: right now, Martin, are you are you now picking as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, the team currently with the best record in

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Speaker 1: the America League coming off of sort of a breakout

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Speaker 1: season a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Now are they going to be America? Start to see this.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to get your answer, but keep it here, don't.

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Speaker 1: Listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio rolling along here on

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Speaker 1: another fully loaded Sports Saturday. This is Fox Sports Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and we are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: studios Smart bendin our NBA Insider's going to be joining

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Speaker 1: us coming up here in about twenty minutes. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I have now determined that shake Gilgess Alexander is the

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Speaker 1: smartest player in the NBA. I mean, you could say, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's MVP, might be the best player, You're obviously great

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Speaker 1: score everything else.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, he is.

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Speaker 1: The smartest player in the league. And he proved that

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Speaker 1: this past February. What did he do this past February?

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Speaker 1: He fired his agent said, I don't need an agent.

879
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: I'll represent myself. And because of that and the fact

880
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: that he is now the league MVP, he has put

881
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: himself in line for the first ever five year, three

882
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty million dollar contract, which, by the way,

883
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: let me break down the salaries for you, starting in

884
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: the twenty seven to twenty eight season, this would be

885
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed money. By the way, that year, he'll make

886
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: sixty five point seven million. In the twenty eight twenty

887
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: nine season, he'll make seventy point nine million, In the

888
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: twenty nine thirty season, he'll make seventy six point two million,

889
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: and yes, in the thirty thirty one season, he'll be

890
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: the first player to make more than eighty million a

891
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: year eighty one point four million, and he will have

892
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: zero to you offer to his agent. I've never understood

893
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: why these guys are handling any percentage of these contracts

894
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: the agents, when basically these contracts right themselves.

895
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: I think that they right themselves when you were at

896
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: the top of the.

897
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: Market, right, I think means you don't need an agent.

898
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: I think it rightes But think some of this the

899
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: no trade clause and so on, So when you're in

900
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: the top of the market. I agree with that, but

901
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: I think the problem is that more people think that

902
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: they're top of the market than actually are top of

903
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: the market. Like Shea just won an MVP, and it's like,

904
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: you know he was a well he.

905
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: Fired him in February, so he wasn't guaranteed the MVP.

906
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: He was on his way, but even in years past

907
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: to finished what second or third and MVP those second

908
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: last few years three years, so he was in the

909
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: in the conversation of this is one of the top

910
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: five players in the league.

911
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: This is a rubber stamp deal.

912
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: But if I'm if I'm anywhere guy from who ranks

913
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: like five to anywhere else in the NBA, I need

914
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 3: an agent, bro I need o man.

915
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: Look at some of it. No, no, no, no, no, Steve, look

916
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: at some of the deals with some of these guys.

917
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: Get you think Bradley bil gets all that money in

918
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: the no trade clause. Bradley Beal's a smart guy. I

919
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: would say, Bradley Beal capol this look.

920
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: I have been a friend of Lee Steinberg forever, so

921
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: long ago that Lee Steinberg when both my sons were

922
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: born back in the nineteen nineties, he sent me a

923
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: bottle of champagne for each of them, with a note saying,

924
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: justin case their future NFL quarterbacks. Okay, when he came

925
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: along and became the first real agent representing Steve Barkowski,

926
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: his Berkeley classmate back in nineteen seventy five, you needed

927
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: an agent.

928
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: You had no leverage.

929
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: There was no way that you could know as a

930
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: player to sit down across from a general manager or

931
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: an owner and negotiated deal. But basically, the way the

932
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: collective bargain agreement is, you already have the guidelines of

933
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: what you're entitled to make.

934
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: It's already there in black and white. So yeah, you could.

935
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: Talk about an SCA the top of the mountain, but

936
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: I would say most of these players really do not

937
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: need In Asia. Now, he will retain someone that will

938
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: handle off court stuff, you know, commercial stuff like that.

939
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: That's a whole different thing. It's like a manager, you know,

940
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: that's sort of traditional exactly, and basically you don't need

941
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: an agent to negotiate it. You might have a friend

942
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: that's an attorney sort of look over the contract, you know,

943
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: some of the terminology.

944
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: The SGA probably don't have much to actly negotiate but

945
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: I think if you again, like if I'm a Devin

946
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 3: Booker type, like like, that's the thing about the NBA,

947
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 3: the way the CBA is, You're right, like it's all

948
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: slated on salary and how much you can.

949
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: And if you make an All NBA team and everything else,

950
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: then you're escalators.

951
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: And so on and so forth.

952
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: But the thing that I think, and I honestly will

953
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: be interesting to see what happens with this, because I

954
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: think that Luca Dochets got traded for the most simple

955
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: reason of the Mavericks and not want to pay him

956
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: nearly a million dollars a game. Evan Mobley winning the

957
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year just put the Cleveland Cavaliers

958
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: in a potential world of hurt because now that he's

959
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: eligible for much more than he would have been had

960
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 3: he not won that award. And he won that award

961
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 3: because Victor Winn Benyama got hurt, right, So he's not

962
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: like he's exactly exactly. Now, does that mean he's a

963
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: bad defender, of course not. But do you want to

964
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: pay a guy who might be the second or third

965
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: or fourth defender in the league on a yearly basis

966
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: the money that he would if he was the best

967
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: defender in the league every year, because that money's the same.

968
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: So when you get to these spots, like in the postseason,

969
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: a lot of the times, look at some of these

970
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: teams in their contracts, it's a lot of times how

971
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: the books are balanced, Tyrese, Haliburton, Miles Turner. They're signed

972
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: up for long term deals. Jalen Brunson took less money

973
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: than he could have than Nicks had flexibility to bring

974
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: in Bridges and town like you know what I'm saying,

975
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: Like some of that matters in that So I think

976
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: an agent actually does in a different way than it

977
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: does at football.

978
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: I love how you mentioned the fact that it's really

979
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: how you structure the contracts. One of the reasons that

980
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: the San Antonio Spurs under Popovich had such sustain success

981
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: over like twenty years is that when you look at

982
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: the breakdown of the salaries they were paying, you know,

983
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: to Tim Duncan and Jenobilee and Tony Parker and then

984
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the team, everything look right like He's like, okay,

985
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: that makes sense. That may there was no salary, like

986
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: you're really paying that guy that much. Like that kind

987
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: of thing, because almost every team does that. I'll tell

988
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: you a team that really has structured things very well

989
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: right now to keep an eye on is the team

990
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: currently sitting in the Western Conference Finals, the Minnesota Timberwolves.

991
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: So they got this Rudy Gobert contract, but he's actually

992
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: making eight million less next year, so it's not an

993
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: escalating salary.

994
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: It's actually going down.

995
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: So over the next three years they basically have control

996
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: over go bit at a lower price tag. Obviously, they

997
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: got Anthony Edwards all set for the next four or

998
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: five years. Jana McDaniels has got his money set, and

999
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: then you have to make decisions on like a Julius Randall.

1000
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, what happened in that with

1001
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: that game.

1002
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: But to the to your point, the Timberwolves, and we've

1003
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: seen some other teams make good moves, and I didn't

1004
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: gloss over what happened there, but they were going to

1005
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: owe a ton of money to calling Anthony Towns right

1006
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: trade him for Julius Randall expired track that they had

1007
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: traded just prior for that big as Rudy Gobert contract.

1008
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: And now to your point that that contract de escalating

1009
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: right to Julius Randall if he plays, well, he'll have

1010
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: to have another half like he did, you know, maybe

1011
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: a game like he had in the first half of

1012
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: Game one. If he can continue that throughout the you

1013
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 3: know Ford, I say, restart that in games three through however,

1014
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 3: the long list series goes, and maybe you want to

1015
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: bring him back on a deal that's a little bit

1016
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: more than you would even he would, you know what

1017
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you could pay them a little bit more

1018
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: because of the fact you were gonna cat that much.

1019
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: You move on, and then you get go bear same

1020
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: way the Pacers traded for Haliburton. They traded for these

1021
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: guys who were all long term deals and then brought

1022
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: them in.

1023
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: Here's the insidious thing that's very frustrating. So you get

1024
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: all this money, right with the new cbay all this

1025
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: money for all the teams, and then all of a sudden,

1026
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: some teams don't even know how to spend that money.

1027
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you're almost forced to

1028
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: have to spend money and hand money to players that

1029
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: are getting way overpaid, way overpaid. And you know, good

1030
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: for them, you know, I mean, who wants to not

1031
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: be way overpaid?

1032
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 2: Right?

1033
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: Anyone would sign up for that deal. But it does

1034
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: then potentially put you into predicament down the road. I mean,

1035
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: just again, reminder, team that had the highest payroll in

1036
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: the NBA this year did not even make the playing round,

1037
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 1: and that would be the Phoenix Suns.

1038
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: Steve, before we go to break, I have a question

1039
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: talked to him. Aaron Judge hit his eighteenth home run today. Yes,

1040
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: in the first ning. Yeah, he's having a judging in

1041
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 3: type season.

1042
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: He's right on the cusp of four hundred.

1043
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: The Colorado Rockies have nine wins. There are nine and

1044
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: forty three, So.

1045
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: It means if you just bet on nine and forty three. Yes, yeah,

1046
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: If you bet.

1047
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: On Aaron Judge to hit a home run every day

1048
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: and you bet on the Colorado Rockies to win every day,

1049
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: you've still lost money regardless. Yeah, but you've lost way

1050
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: less betting on Aaron Judge.

1051
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: As this season progresses for the Colorado Rockies. Did you,

1052
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: by the way, hear about the fan that sued the Rockies. Yes,

1053
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: so he gets hit in the face with a ball,

1054
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: so he wasn't paying attention, and he blamed the fact

1055
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: that the team is so bad that it's hard to watch.

1056
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: So if you're at the game, you're.

1057
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: Really not watching because the home team's so bad and

1058
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: that is why he got hit in the face with

1059
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: a foul ball. He is literally suing the rock Yes

1060
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: for being bad.

1061
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: I think and Discovery that have to find out who

1062
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: was at bat, because if it was, if it was

1063
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: the opposing team at bat, you better wake up. The

1064
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: ball jumped out thirteen times, I mean, Aaron Judge hit

1065
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 3: the first one out. But I wonder who will have

1066
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: more by the end of the year. Will there be

1067
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: more Aaron Judge home runs easy or Colorado Rocky wins.

1068
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not even going to be close.

1069
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: You figure that Aaron Judge is probably going to hit

1070
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: somewhere in the fifty range. We'll say, I mean, I'm

1071
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: just low balling, but they, let's say somewhere between fifty

1072
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: and sixty home runs. Right now, the Rockies are on

1073
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: pace to lose one hundred and thirty five games. That

1074
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: would be thirty twenty seven wins. So look, it's not

1075
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: even close. I mean the idea, first of all, let's

1076
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: say they give win fifty games. That's fifty and one

1077
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: hundred and twelve. They're gonna have to get y up

1078
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: to get to fifty wins.

1079
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: This year, witn have to get right wits Last year, right,

1080
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: the White Sox were the team that.

1081
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: We all for forty.

1082
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: One wins, right, right, and the year before was as

1083
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: I just had it, you know, but uh, you know,

1084
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: just these terrible, terrible teams that you know, just are

1085
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: you know, the laughing Stocks the as the year before

1086
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: the Age won fifty games.

1087
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: You can bet the bank that Aaron Judge will have

1088
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: more home runs than the Rockies will have wins this year.

1089
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: That's not even gonna be close. Okay, not even close.

1090
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: I think we should keep I think I have you

1091
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: keep an eye.

1092
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: I don't think honestly, at no point, I mean, right now,

1093
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: the difference is nine.

1094
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he's got a nine.

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00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: He's got a nine once that difference because we're still

1096
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: in May. Okay, but let's say let's say by July

1097
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: he has at least a ten ten lead. All right,

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00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: let's say he's got okay, you know, thirty five home

1099
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: runs to twenty five wins or something like that.

1100
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: Right, at no point will they get within ten, No.

1101
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: Chance, At no point when they get within.

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00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: Ten once once we get past July first, at no point, well,

1103
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: the Rockies win total get within ten of how how

1104
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: many home runs Aaron Judge has for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we gotta keep tracking. This is gonna be fun.

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00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: I like that. All right?

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Speaker 1: You turned up On the other side, We get ready

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Speaker 1: for Western Conference Finals Game three tonight, Game three between

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Speaker 1: the Pacers and Knicks tomorrow on the Eastern Conference. Mark Medina,

1111
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: our NBA insider, will join us. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

1112
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Saturday. Steve Hart and Martin Weiss with you

1113
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: once again, live from the Fox Sports Radio studios for the.

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Speaker 1: am to noon Eastern six to nine am Pacific. We're

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1123
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Speaker 1: are a little more than an hour away tip off

1124
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Speaker 1: Game three of the Western Conference Finals between the te

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Speaker 1: Wolves and the Thunder And of course tomorrow Knicks Pacers

1126
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: Game three with the Pacers up two to oh after

1127
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: two wins at the Guard and join us right now

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Speaker 1: our NBA insider Mark Medina. So let's start with what

1129
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: is happening in the East right now. I can only

1130
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: say that I would guess the majority of people in

1131
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: the NBA office are praying for a miracle comeback from

1132
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: the Knicks in this series. The idea of Indiana versus

1133
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: OKC or Minnesota in the smaller markets is not exactly

1134
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: a dream matchup. I would imagine for the NBA, they

1135
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: need the Knicks. Can the Knicks come back? I know

1136
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: it's only what sixteams ever in conference finals who have

1137
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: lost the first two games have actually come back to

1138
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: win it. I don't know if any have lost the

1139
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: first two on the road or at home and come

1140
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: back to win it. But what do you think the

1141
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: Knicks chance is, if any, to come back in the

1142
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: series against the Pacers.

1143
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 7: Well, Steve, I think it's zero because there have been

1144
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 7: exactly zero teams that have come back down to when

1145
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 7: it's losing their first two games at home. They're going

1146
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 7: to be competitive, the Knicks are going to be resilient,

1147
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 7: They're going to be scrappy. But I think what we've

1148
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 7: seen here against the Pacers is a they don't have

1149
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 7: the same kind of depth. The Pacers have an eleven

1150
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 7: ten manter rotation. The Knicks have starting lineup and maybe

1151
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 7: six or seven, you know, two bench players. SA's number one,

1152
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 7: number two. Even though the Knicks starting lineup is better,

1153
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 7: Karl Anthon Towns hasn't been consistent. It's really just been

1154
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 7: Jalen Brunson, and then when you look at the Pacers,

1155
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 7: it's been Tyreez Talburn being a great playmaker and clutch score,

1156
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 7: Pascal Siakam being a great complimentary star, and then you

1157
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 7: know guys like er Andrew neth Some hitting open shots.

1158
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 7: So it's been a tough combination. But to the earlier

1159
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 7: point that you made or right on the money, it's

1160
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 7: out of conspiracy theory. The NBA says it once parody,

1161
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 7: but they also like when big market teams do well,

1162
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 7: and the Knicks haven't been to the finals of the nineties,

1163
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 7: so they would definitely love for that to happen again.

1164
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 7: But I don't think they'll go mark.

1165
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: Should the league even bother playing the remainder of the playoffs,

1166
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: seeing as the only big market team left is New York.

1167
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I'm old enough to remember when

1168
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: the epicenter of the NBA universe was Cleveland, Ohio, and

1169
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 3: San Francisco, California. San Francisco obviously much bigger, but Cleveland,

1170
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Speaker 3: you know, that's exactly where everybody's going to vacation and

1171
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 3: can't wait to sign.

1172
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 2: Up to be should they even keep playing?

1173
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 4: Or or or is it?

1174
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 3: Honestly, and almost in my opinion, in the NBA's better

1175
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: interest to have these electric personalities like Tyrese Halibert and

1176
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards, Shake Gildensanleson are not so much, but those

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Speaker 3: two in particular in these markets that are not necessarily

1178
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: deemed to be NBA hotbeds.

1179
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: And then you still have teams. Are still have the Lakers.

1180
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 3: And the Knicks in the conversation at.

1181
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 7: Least, Yeah, I think it's more of the latter. I mean,

1182
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 7: even though I was saying to my earlier point that

1183
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 7: internally the NBA would definitely love the next to be

1184
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 7: in the finals because they're market teams, their legacy franchise.

1185
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 7: You know, Adam Silver, not only with rhetoric but with

1186
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 7: actions with the CBA. He wants there to be parody

1187
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 7: and competition between large and small markets. I think it's

1188
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 7: just a matter of like finding the sweet spot that

1189
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 7: you want to have a league where there's good competition,

1190
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 7: anyone has a chance. There's not always a runaway favor,

1191
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 7: but you do have those sustained dynasties, you do have

1192
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 7: those enduring superstars. And that's what's really challenging here, because

1193
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 7: it's not just because of better competition increased parody. To

1194
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 7: explain why there hasn't been a repeat champion since the

1195
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 7: Golden State Warriors in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, it's because

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00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 7: these second apron and stringent spending restrictions have potentially been

1197
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 7: attaxed for teams and a bailout for ownership that even

1198
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 7: if they want to spend money, they don't go past

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Speaker 7: it because it inhibits their ross building. So the last

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00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 7: few years you've seen teams make decisions that aren't great

1201
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 7: basketball decisions, but it helps them fall under the second Apron.

1202
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 7: It's made them made it more challenging to retain free agents,

1203
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 7: increase pressure for them to really do well in the draft.

1204
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 7: And I think if that's all fine, but the margin

1205
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 7: for error is so slim, So maybe they fine tune

1206
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 7: a little bit. They always are in discussions with the

1207
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 7: players Union and the Competition Committee about it, but right

1208
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 7: now it's setting up teams to have a very low

1209
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 7: margin for air and if they win, you know, they

1210
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 7: don't have a lot of runaway to be able to

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Speaker 7: repeat it now.

1212
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Speaker 2: But Mark, I hear that, and maybe repeat in the.

1213
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Speaker 3: Grand sense of win a championship, But I think of

1214
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: when I hear this seven championships in the last seven years,

1215
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: there's been one constant player in the final four for

1216
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: those seven years, and you know they all held ten prior.

1217
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: The Boston Celtics is the I feel like the Boston

1218
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 3: Celtics inability to get over the hump in the Eastern

1219
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: Conference is part of the reason why.

1220
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: We have this parody.

1221
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: And I feel like maybe it's because Jason Tatum towards

1222
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: acl and towards Achilles and people thought they would be

1223
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: back in this spot right now. But like the last

1224
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 3: eight years of the Boston Celtics is why we have

1225
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 3: seven championships in seven different years.

1226
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 7: That definitely explains part of the story. And I'll give

1227
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 7: you credit here. I mean with the Celtics specifically, yes, there.

1228
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 7: They did not make it past the Eastern Conference finals,

1229
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 7: partly because Lebron James was in the East. Now when

1230
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 7: he went west, they had an opportunity, but the Jalen

1231
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 7: Brown and Jason Tatum were still too young to figure

1232
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 7: out their dynamics. They finally went over the hump. But

1233
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 7: to the earlier point that you made, that the Jason

1234
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 7: Tatum injury, and that should be excuse. I'm with you

1235
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 7: one hundred Yes, that's a game changer, but they were

1236
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 7: down two oh before that injury happened against the Knicks,

1237
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 7: and so the Celtics haven't faced that challenge yet. As

1238
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 7: far as the second Apron concerns, second Apron concerns are

1239
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 7: because they had their core in their prime under contract here.

1240
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 7: But this summer they're going to start having to make

1241
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 7: decisions that aren't in their best interest. Basso wise, I

1242
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 7: think carssps things is going to get trauded. I think

1243
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 7: Drew Holliday is going to get traded.

1244
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 4: Now.

1245
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 7: Partly you know that is because they fell short in

1246
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 7: the playoffs, but even if they went to the finals

1247
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 7: as were expected, they would still do that because their

1248
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 7: current payroll is just untenable at this point.

1249
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: All right, So.

1250
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: We Martin and I were talking about this, we're on

1251
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: opposite sides when we talk about the identity sort of

1252
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: the face of the NBA right now, Still the biggest

1253
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: names are Lebron's Steph and to me a lessers to

1254
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: extent Kevin Durant only because he keeps changing teams constantly

1255
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: sort of hurts his identity. But still Lebron in step

1256
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: both made by the Way second team All NBA, so

1257
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: they still have game, and they're still the by far,

1258
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: the two most recognizable faces in the NBA. And it

1259
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: seems like not only have we had a revolving door

1260
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: of NBA champions over the last seven years, it's like

1261
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: a revolving door of who's the next face of the NBA.

1262
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: You know, is it gonna be honest? Is it going

1263
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: to be the Joker?

1264
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Is it going to be Shay Gildess Alexander, Is it

1265
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: gonna be ant Is? You know, every single year we

1266
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: seem to have the next it guy. So look into

1267
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: your crystal ball right now, Mark and tell us five

1268
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: years from now, you know when Shay Gildas Alexander is

1269
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: going to be making eighty million a year. Look at

1270
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: your crystal ball five years from now, who is going

1271
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: to be the face of the NBA From a player standpoint,

1272
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: who will be the face of this league?

1273
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be Uh, let's see. I

1274
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 7: think it's gonna be a co head role between Shay

1275
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 7: Gildas Alexander because of his MVP play, he's gonna be

1276
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 7: winning championships, and also Jalen Brunson because he's a star player.

1277
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 7: He plays on a high, big market team with the Knicks.

1278
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 7: I don't know where his championship fortunes are going to be,

1279
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 7: but he represents everything you want to start player, clutch player,

1280
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 7: very competitive in a big market.

1281
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 6: Uh.

1282
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 7: You know, he makes his teammates better. What we've seen

1283
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 7: with this young core, there's a lot of good cameos,

1284
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 7: a lot of good options to make a really fun show,

1285
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 7: but there isn't that leading actor that can take the mantle.

1286
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 7: So when you're looking at guys like Nikola Jokic, Victor

1287
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 7: Weinbin Yamo Luka, doctor Jannis Kumpo, we go down the

1288
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 7: line with Anthony Edward, Jason Tatum, They're all great guys,

1289
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 7: but I don't look at any of them as faces

1290
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 7: in the league. And even with Shay and Jalen Brunson,

1291
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 7: I think you know that none of them can handle

1292
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 7: the sole role with that, so maybe it's just back

1293
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 7: and forth. At this point in time, I think the

1294
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 7: honor goes to them.

1295
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 3: I want to ask to Tyree Halliburton, who I think

1296
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: most people, all.

1297
01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: Right, the most overrated things.

1298
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of play, but when you count down,

1299
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 3: like your top I don't know seven NBA players or

1300
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: eight NBA player.

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01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, it's like he's kind of

1302
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: not in that list, but he probably not.

1303
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 3: The worst player in the league, which is a lot

1304
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 3: what most overrated sounds like to a lot of people.

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01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: But where he's.

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Speaker 3: Having a run right now this postseason that I think

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Speaker 3: that if you can continue this type of run, where

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Speaker 3: do you think he'll fall in the hierarchy of.

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Speaker 2: You know, the young the NBA stars with no gray hair.

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Speaker 7: Club, Yeah, the players that aren't watched so to speak, right,

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Speaker 7: I think that he would be probably the second best

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Speaker 7: point guard in the NBA and top six overall in

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Speaker 7: the league. He's already the best passing point guard in

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Speaker 7: the NBA. He has taken his game to another level

1315
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 7: as far as a clutch performer. He's never going to

1316
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 7: be seen as the top score in the NBA, and

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01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 7: that's okay only because he thinks passed first. He wants

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Speaker 7: to have good offensive depths. But one of the things

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 7: is that he has shown some struggles with then lately.

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Speaker 7: Some growth is how to be aggressive consistently, and I

1321
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 7: think that's part of the reason why he was getting

1322
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 7: that overrated attack from some of the players that he

1323
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 7: wasn't always scoring a high level. I think there also

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Speaker 7: may have been some professional jealousy that he's on the Olympics,

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Speaker 7: but then they exactly play. But we have to keep

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01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 7: in mind that, you know, the Olympics, it's a whole

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Speaker 7: roster hall fame players. There's always going to be one

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Speaker 7: or two guys that fall out. I think the other

1329
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 7: thing is that even though he's a great player, people

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01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 7: around him have to consistently push him to be aggressive

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01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 7: all the time. I was talking with his trainer, Drew

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Speaker 7: Hanlin a few weeks ago now is very telling that

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01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 7: Game seven last year against the Knicks. He was texting

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01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 7: asking him, hey, like, how many words of wisdom or

1335
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 7: things to motivate man. Drew's response was, if you need

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Speaker 7: me to motivate you on a Game seven at the garden,

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01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 7: there's something wrong with you, but I'll give you some

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01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 7: gems here. So he's always in his ear. You got

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01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 7: to be consistently aggressive because some times the most felfish

1340
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 7: thing you can do is to be unselfish with thinking

1341
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 7: past first too much. But I think he's round a

1342
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 7: core in these playoffs and it's not about scoring, but

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01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 7: he's going to be more consistent with his aggressiveness moving forward.

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Speaker 2: All right, final word? Is it all said?

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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: Is it going to be okase against the Pacers? Is

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Speaker 1: that what we're looking at for the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 7: I think that's what it's going to be. But I

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01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 7: think the Knicks pacer seater, it's so going to be competitive,

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 7: it's just going to be over in five or six games.

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Speaker 7: I think a Thunder Wolve series it's either going to

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01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 7: be a sweep or five games, but the games won't

1352
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 7: be as closed. I mean, that's how much separation the

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01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 7: Thunder have with the Wolves and Steve. If you don't

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01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 7: mind me fitting in here, I was just doing CBS

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01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 7: a Jim Hill he passes along his regards and he

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01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 7: was talking about how amazing off a memory you have

1357
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 7: with every single thing so much that he said that

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01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 7: the elephants come to you when they forgot that.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Jim for the very kind words and

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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: the fact that you're sitting in that seat that I sat.

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01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: Can you imagine for twelve straight years, me and Jim Hill,

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01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: twelve straight years every Saturday Insider, way back in the day,

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01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: doing a great job. As always, Mark, we appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week.

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01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys with that.

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Speaker 1: That is a Mark Madina r NBA Insider. All right,

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: good stuff there as we get ready. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: let's find out what's trending right now. Let's welcome in

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Speaker 1: Martin Weiss to give us an update on everything in

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Speaker 1: the world of sports.

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Speaker 3: Do you know, Steve, you're the guy who's been doing

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Speaker 3: this for Like you said, you had twelve straight years

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01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 3: of working with Jim Hill. I've barely had twelve straight

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01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: years of a career. But I'm going to sound like

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01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 3: the old man right now.

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01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: You have thirty years from now you'll be having a

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01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: very similar conversation.

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Speaker 3: Believe men, Well, thirty years from now, I'll still have

1379
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 3: this same take. These some of these shitty connect jerseys

1380
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 3: are so just a bombing nation. Yes, it's just disgusting.

1381
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 3: Like I'm looking at the Arizona Diamondbacks where the Dodgers

1382
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: gotta be.

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01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: Right now, it's the New York Mets wearing purple. They're awful.

1384
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: The Mets wear like, what are we?

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01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: What are we doing? All of this is made up?

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 3: Do people understand that that all of this is made up?

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01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 3: The idea that the Dodgers is a nickname or the

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01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: Mets is a nickname. It's all made up. It's all

1390
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: fun and games. When you start taking on it too much,

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Speaker 3: it all could fall apart. I don't like it, Steve,

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Speaker 3: it makes me uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a similar when they paint the courts during

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01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: the so called embry A Cup and it's unwatchable on television.

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01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: Like, what, buddy, do you do? What makes a pacer

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01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: yellow and blue?

1397
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 3: Because forty fifty years ago somebody decided we're going to

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01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 3: make the pacers yellow and blue.

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Speaker 2: Stick with it, just stick with it.

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Speaker 3: I can't even tell who was playing on this is,

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01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 3: you know, the big inning screen watching four games at

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01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 3: a time.

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01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: Who the hell is that?

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01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 3: Anyway, Dodgers and the Mets game on Fox. Scoreless right

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01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 3: now on top of the first top of the second

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01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 3: inning with the Mets wearing just terrible jersey, the a

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01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 3: little alone team named the Tigers. Top of the Als.

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01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 3: You know, Steve's never heard of most of them. Bottom

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01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 3: of the first inning for them, they have won nothing

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01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 3: lead over the Guardians with the bases loaded, Matt Veeling,

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01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: Oh never mind, he bases loaded. Tigers threatened, but do

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 3: not add to their lead. To paraphrase Dan Dickerson, three

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01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 3: nothing Rays over Blue Jay's top of the second inning

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 3: and the top of the fifth inning. Game two of

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01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 3: doublehead between the Oils and the Red Sox scoreless there.

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01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: Boston walked off Baltimore earlier today in a comfortable behind

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01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 3: win in ten innings six to five. Twins beat the

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Speaker 3: Royals five to four, Cardinals over the Diamondbacks six to five,

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01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 3: Pirates two to one over the Brewers, Nationals blank the

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01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 3: Giants three to nothing, Reds six to four over the Cubs,

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01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: and the Braves beat the Padre seven to one. White

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Speaker 3: Sox got a rare win ten to five. They beat

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 3: the Rangers, seventeenth win on the year. Yankees thirteen, Rockies one,

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 3: Aaron Judge. We talked about it earlier. Eighteen home runs

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: for Aaron Judge, nine wins for the Rockies. It is

1426
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 3: a race to see who gets more me and Steve Harman.

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01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: I'm on the Rockies.

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01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: No, no, I know it won't even be close.

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01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: I tell you, whatever the margin the difference is on

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01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: July first, which I anticipate will more. He said to

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01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: be more than ten. It will be more than ten. Okay,

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01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: it's nine now, so it'll be more than ten. And

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: it will never get closer than that. I guarantee you

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: by seasons and Aaron Judge will have at least ten

1435
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: more home runs than the Rockies will have.

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Speaker 2: Victim. We're really see. I'm not saying that you're wrong.

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01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying it's a hot take. I'll just

1438
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: ask the question. I'm fascinating last.

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: Year he had seventeen more home runs than the White

1440
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 1: Sox had wins seventeen.

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01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 3: Okay, And I will say this, I have seen the

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01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 3: Rockies play not a single ending of baseball all year.

1443
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: They are as bad as their record indicates, and by

1444
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: the way, firing Bud Black was not the answer to

1445
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: change their fortunes. By the way, coming to you live

1446
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: from the Fox Sports Radio studios here on Fox Sports Saturday.

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01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: Don't forget after the show.

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1452
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1453
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Speaker 1: off the air.

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01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: I love your rant about these uniforms.

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about generations and how you're perceived

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01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: when you're critical. Okay, so someone in your age bracket, Martin,

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01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: when you're critical, you're touring, you're sir, deemed as edgy edgy?

1459
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 2: Is that so edgy? Edgy?

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: When you're in my stage of life and your critical bitter,

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01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: it's bitter. So it's like you're like edgy, And if

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01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: I make the same criticism, it's like, ah that old

1463
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: guys just bitter.

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because I'm transitioning to that stage

1465
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 3: Watching Game two of this Western Conference Finals, Shake Gilders,

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01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 3: Alexander did something in the RAF.

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01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: First of all, he was handed an MVP Trophy, which

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01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: automatically gives him MB MVP status according to the officials.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, apparently so.

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Speaker 3: But there was the one play in particular, down the

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01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 3: stretch of a game that was it was, it wasn't

1474
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: even in question anymore, and they were just playing out

1475
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 3: the string. Yeah, and Shake gets fouled and he turns

1476
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 3: he thinks he gets fouled and turns to the No. No,

1477
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 3: he commits a foul and turns to the ref and

1478
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 3: has the nerve to complain.

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01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: And I've sent it.

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Speaker 3: In a group text and I was like, Shake, Guilds, Alexander,

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01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 3: the only thing he should ever do is tell the

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01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 3: refs thank you very much for the trophy. I was

1483
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 3: being facetious, but the point remains he have a little

1484
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 3: self awareness here and that I get that you're drawing

1485
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 3: all these fouls, but those don't like. You don't get

1486
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 3: to complaint when a foul gets called on you. You

1487
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 3: don't get ain't no fun when the Rabbits got the gun.

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01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 4: All right.

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01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 2: Irvan Magic Johnson, Irv as I ever heard him over

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01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: the years, one of my all time favorite basketball players. Right,

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: he would drive the lane. It'd be like the party

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01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: in the red seat.

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: Everyone get out of his way lay it in boom,

1494
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: they blow a whistle, or if they didn't blow a whistle,

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01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: he immediately would be screaming at the official, basically saying

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01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: without so much as saying it, you know who I am, right,

1497
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: So when I drive to the lane, there has to

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01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: be a whistle, even if no one is touching me

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01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: or breathing anywhere near me. It's part of the thing.

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Speaker 1: I've got to be able to go to the line

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01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: plus one. So this is this is as old as

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01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: the NBA in the idea that the best players always

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: get preferential treating. May I say this is what I

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01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: Once you get to MVP level, you get that.

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01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: This is what I deem to be.

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01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 3: The difference between because I've seen the conversations.

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: Kobe used to do the same thing hard did. He

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01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: used to do the same thing.

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01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: The difference that people will say that James Brunson is

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01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 3: doing it right now, what SJA is doing to manipulate

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01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 3: the officials. But the difference to me is those guys

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01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 3: had a baseline level of I am trying to land

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01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: on my feet more often than not, I'm trying to

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01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 3: land square on my feet, and like you, strength to.

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 2: Muscle through defenders.

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01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 3: Shay gilis how Alexander receives the contact and does none

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01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,959
Speaker 3: of the rest of it. Like he has the contact

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Speaker 3: and he goes like, sure, did he fall did he

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01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 3: did he get pushed? But it was no. It feels

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 3: like there is no effort on his part to like

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01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: not get pushed, right, and to me, whether the sports

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01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 3: should sports should work the offensive players should be trying

1523
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 3: to attempt a shot, like if you just fall down,

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01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 3: then you know, get up, buddy, that's not a foul

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01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 3: to me.

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01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: Whoever came up with the concept, I guess it was

1527
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: Naysmith since he invented the game of fouls in the NBA.

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01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: Well as we know with Tim Donaghye, you can get

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: away with manipulating fouls for your own financial benefit and

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01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 1: no one even knows about it.

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01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 3: I mean sure, well, I mean I don't think that's

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 3: happening currently. There's a lot of eyes on it, especially

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01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: with all the legal books.

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Speaker 1: We say this every single year we watch every single game.

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01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: You have to admit they've allowed far more physical play

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01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: in these NBA playoffs than we've seen in the last

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01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: few years.

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, except for when Ja has the bull. Okay, but

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 3: for you know, everybody else is saying.

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Speaker 1: All right, coming up on the other side of sports,

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01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: we have not talked about today at all. No, that's

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01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: not true. We have talked about this sport. But I'm

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: gonna give you Martin an over under, over under. I

1544
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: want the tape rolling on this because I'm going to

1545
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: hold you accountable and over under related to a major sport.

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Saturday.

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01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: Steve Harvey, Martin Wise, Fox Sports Saturday Live from the

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Want to thank our crew today, the

1549
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: man doing updates today, Martin Weiss. You're a It's like

1550
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: an echo chamber, Martin Weiss.

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01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 2: Martin Weiss, that is.

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,520
Speaker 3: The echo Martin Weiss, Johnny two times, two times.

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01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: Gracing ourselves here with the brilliance of the man pushing

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01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: all the buttons.

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: Today, Alex is back in the house. Alex. We've actually

1556
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 2: we see more of you recently, which is rare because

1557
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, you used to slum on weekends for many,

1558
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: many years before you moved up into the big time.

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01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: That's true.

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01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, that'd me doing six days Steve. Wow, poof,

1561
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 3: I sound like a Martin schedule.

1562
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean there's certain people they can't do without.

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01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 2: I don't recommend it though, m hm. And then Ian

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01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 2: is our young, brilliant producer. I say young. He's chronologically young,

1565
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 2: but he's old on experience. Now do you feel like

1566
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: this job is aging you at all? Yeah? Yeah, I'd

1567
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 2: say I gain about a year every shift, I think so.

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01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: Right, it's like dog ears, right, and you know once

1569
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: you dog ears is a good way of putting it. Yeah,

1570
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: something along those lines. All right, I want to do

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01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: a little over under with you Martin here. So the

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01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: NFL NFL, you know, we always as soon as they

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01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,560
Speaker 1: announced the schedules and everything else, and all of a

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: sudden the over underlines get out, people get the early

1575
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: bets in. And at the top of the list, four

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01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: teams listed at eleven and a half wins, all expected

1577
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: Bill's Eagles Chiefs Ravens no real argument. There two teams

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01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: at ten and a half lions of course coming off

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01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: their big year. And then there's a team that was

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: six and eleven last year and they're over under is

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01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: ten and a half wins. That would be the San

1582
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers who just inked the huge deal

1583
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: obviously with brock Purty. So I'm going to give you

1584
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: that over under forty nine ers who are touted to

1585
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: have the easiest schedule in the history of the National

1586
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: Football League for the upcoming season and hoping for paper

1587
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: on paper. Yes, so right now, if you are a

1588
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: betting man, I am Steve. I am a bet You're

1589
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: about to take a huge gamble in life. That's what

1590
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: life's all about. It's about gambles. Got to take some

1591
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: chances at some points. Forty nine ers over under ten

1592
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: and a half wins in the twenty twenty five season.

1593
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 3: To borrow a phrase from Mike francessa under under under okay,

1594
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 3: and the reason being, well, Sao, there's the thing they

1595
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 3: can make. The playoffs would not go nine and seven.

1596
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 3: I don't think the NFC West is going to be

1597
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 3: a murderer's row. When I look at it, I think

1598
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 3: you're you are a one bad hit in Los Angeles

1599
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 3: away from the Rams being like just out of the

1600
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 3: picture entirely. With Matthew Stafford, who's one of the few

1601
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 3: professional athletes older than me still profess playing professionally right.

1602
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 2: Now, Remember when you idolized him when he was the

1603
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 2: quarterback of the hapless Detroit Lions.

1604
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 3: I never once did that, sir, But I did say

1605
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 3: he's a lot better than you.

1606
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: Guys should give no credit for well, he's got one

1607
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 2: of the great throwing armis in the NFL.

1608
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 3: No one argues that tough as nails too.

1609
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 2: So when I say that, I don't mean to disparage.

1610
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: I just mean literally the reality of the fact that

1611
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 3: the man is closer to forty.

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01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: How many of those offensive linemen that he played with

1613
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: in Detroit are going to be headed to Canton, Ohio someday.

1614
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 2: Few few, maybe on a road trip.

1615
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 3: I expect the Arizona Cardinals to be better, but I've

1616
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 3: expected the Arizona Cardinals to be better the last two

1617
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 3: seasons and it hasn't happened. And Mike McDonald's year two

1618
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 3: of that, let's see how that goes. Like to me,

1619
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 3: the NFC West has a lot of question marks and

1620
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 3: Shanahan probably the best coach from Shanahan or McVay, how

1621
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 3: how you feel about it. But to get to nine

1622
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 3: wins and be competing in this division makes a ton

1623
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 3: of sense. I'm going under ten and a half.

1624
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 2: Well, I'm with you.

1625
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: The reason I asked that I was on a show

1626
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: where one of the Hosts is a die hard forty

1627
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 1: nine er fan, die hard and just completely dismissed this

1628
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: six and eleven season as a complete aberration, asisting the

1629
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: Brock Party still is an MVP candidate at that Christian McCaffrey,

1630
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: despite all his injuries, it's going to be healthy for

1631
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: seventeen games, and reminding me they have the best tight

1632
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: end in the league in George Kittle, and that Ayuka's back,

1633
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: and that he of course was the favorite target of

1634
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: Rock Party a couple of years ago. On that, I go,

1635
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: that's all great stuff, but let's just start with Christian McCaffrey.

1636
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that saying that Christian

1637
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: McCaffrey is going to be healthy for seventeen games. I

1638
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: hope he is because I love watching him play, but

1639
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: he's not, That changes the whole dynamic of that offense completely.

1640
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: Well, it changes the dynamic.

1641
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 3: I would hope that you don't necessarily have an answer

1642
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: for Christian McCaffrey being gone, but I would hope that

1643
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 3: at this point San Francisco has a temporary band aid

1644
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,879
Speaker 3: you could put over the bullet wound of Christian McCaffrey

1645
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 3: being going, because as soon as he left that was over.

1646
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 3: You know you stee, I'm just looking at these over

1647
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 3: unders real quick, I tell you eleven and like you're

1648
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 3: looking at the Ravens, the Bills, both of those double

1649
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 3: digit win totals. That chieves double digit win totals, it's

1650
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 3: a good thing the NFL Isn't the NBA Baltimore, Buffalo,

1651
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 3: Kansas City cancel it?

1652
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 2: If that's the last three, two of the best three

1653
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: teams in the conference. Line you're bitter.

1654
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: Let me okay, Chargers, Rams both over Runner nine and

1655
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: a half.

1656
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: Which team will have more wins this year? Chargers or Rams? Rams?

1657
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 3: Chargers are a tough division. I think you're looking at

1658
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 3: a Rams. I think the Rams and forty nine Ers

1659
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 3: and the Cardinals.

1660
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 2: You say the Chargers take a step back from a year.

1661
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 3: Ago, I do.

1662
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: I do.

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: I think the Broncos, theyd But you know what they did.

1664
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: They won every game they were supposed to win. You

1665
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: have to they improve their running back position, right. I

1666
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: think there are a much better team than they were

1667
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: two years ago. But I think, to me, the ceiling

1668
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: is lower than the floor is high. Like they will

1669
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: win some games they're supposed to. But I think when

1670
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 1: you look at it and improved Denver team. That's what

1671
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: the team I expect to kind of really kind of turn.

1672
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: The corner of the Raiders is going to be better.

1673
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: That's going to be another thing you got to account for.

1674
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: I would say the one team if I were betting that,

1675
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: I would stay away from the Commanders.

1676
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 2: Yes.

1677
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: Usually when a team has a completely unexpected breakout season,

1678
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: they'll take a step back, and I think before they

1679
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: take a step forward, and I think step back could

1680
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: be still playoffs, right, but NFC Championship is hard not

1681
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: to all Right, we got a lot more coming up.

1682
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, Keep it here on Fox Sports Radio.