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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast as downgraded Mark two questionable

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Speaker 1: from the Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I am Dan hansis Greg Rosenthal here, Mark Cesler. Now

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Speaker 1: you did take the serum? Is that why the injury designation?

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Speaker 1: You were a downgrade? I don't know the reason.

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Speaker 2: These things are typically, you know, just dropped out of

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Speaker 2: thin air onto my into my lap.

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Speaker 1: I did learn that. Do what?

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 1: Like after a doctor tufflhammer rest in peace. By the way, Wow,

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Speaker 1: breaking news.

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Speaker 4: Make it to today's show. Uh we lost the good doctor.

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Speaker 4: That cough was as bad as it sounded. Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 4: dealing with a really nasty case.

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Speaker 1: Of gigantism in the head right now, so hopefully that

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Speaker 1: comes down by the opening of the legal tampering on Monday.

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Speaker 2: I also liked the Baker Mayfield learned from a reporter

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Speaker 2: during the Truth Serim interview that he was about to

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Speaker 2: be become a father. That seemed to catch him off

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Speaker 2: guard during the actual interview.

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Speaker 1: I don't know it caught him off guard or maybe

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Speaker 1: he just revealed that didn't care that much. He was

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Speaker 1: just like got the ou pair, I got things, I

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Speaker 1: got money, Baker's still in the Baker' zone, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think he knew that his unfair significant

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Speaker 2: other was pregnant. But based on how that interview.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's got got his wife in those commercials too.

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Speaker 4: So this is this is a big spot for Baker

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Speaker 4: gigantism there.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a tough one. I think he did say

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Speaker 1: he expressed surprise. I think he said, oh really, I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's like heavily pregnant. Right, So he's not very observant

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Speaker 1: during the off season. He's off on his own doing

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Speaker 1: his own thing, as you wrote, Greg, and you're one

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Speaker 1: oh one right up. He's been He's gotten better with

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Speaker 1: you know, quick decisions. Maybe he's so quick now he

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Speaker 1: has not looked down and seen his wife extremely pregnant.

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Speaker 5: I I worry about how he sees the field.

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Speaker 4: Then that seems like traveling as troubling as his career,

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Speaker 4: which like as one great year, one bad year.

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Speaker 5: You want him on the year with the.

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Speaker 4: One year, three million dollar contract, maybe not the thirty

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Speaker 4: five million dollar contract.

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Speaker 1: What's going to happen? I keep hearing he had a

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Speaker 1: great seasons?

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Speaker 5: See was it great?

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Speaker 1: He had great moments actually has been as strong, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into all the free agents. With

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Speaker 1: the franchise tag in the rear view and the transactions

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Speaker 1: now largely done, you would imagine his teams really dig

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Speaker 1: in this weekend to begin there or finalize their plan

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Speaker 1: of attack for free agency, which will be all over

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Speaker 1: next week shows Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, if necessary, Friday.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years back, we did a Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: lands with the Browns Friday emergency podcast.

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Speaker 2: Another time when I was you know, it went out

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Speaker 2: to lunch and like thought that that would be a

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Speaker 2: calm afternoon and then bang, like a nuclear bomb lands

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Speaker 4: Will also be taping the Face that Monday show from

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Speaker 4: you know, right before the iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we're in the out and see if we win.

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Speaker 1: Hopping on a plane on Sunday and heading to the

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Speaker 1: iHeart Awards. More and more, I think we're gonna win that.

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Speaker 2: By the way, really, I just feel like a sort

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna go the other way. I'm predicting.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna win, like like dune style disturbance

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't not a dune person, but like, isn't that No,

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Speaker 2: it's not and you know it's not stupid.

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Speaker 1: That's a stread, all right. So anyway to talk about

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Speaker 1: all that free agency stuff, we have one of the man,

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Speaker 1: Mina Chimes, who does it all over to ESPN and

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Speaker 1: she's been on our show many times, and she'll be

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Speaker 1: back on the show again in a little bit talking

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Speaker 1: over Greg's list and free agency in general. But before that,

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Speaker 5: Best chance to win the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Gonna get a final let's ride for Broncos control of course,

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Speaker 1: All right, So Russell Wilson, you've heard of this guy, right? Oh? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He now he no longer. He once upon a time

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Speaker 1: is free to sign with any team. And the Steelers

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Speaker 1: are on that list of potential teams. Beat writer Jerry Dulock,

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Speaker 1: team has interest in signing Wilson. Wilson, according to Duloc,

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Speaker 1: church wrong pew I said last week when we're talking

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Speaker 1: justin fields with Rodo pat that it's the worst smoke

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Speaker 1: Then coach Mike Shanahan said he was deciding between John

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Speaker 1: bring somebody in or we simply cannot take the Steelers seriously. However,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, I'm not sure if Russell Wilson joining the

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Speaker 2: It's and that's sort of what everyone's come to agree on.

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Speaker 2: It's an upgrade in theory over Kenny Pickett. It's like

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Speaker 2: to me, I think it's a tough sell inside the building.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough sell to your to us fan base

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Speaker 3: The wool puled over their eyes.

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Speaker 2: Like we've all watched Russell Wilson for two years and

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Speaker 2: it's you can spin last season is like he was

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Speaker 1: Like No, he wasn't. Like he he.

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Speaker 3: Is a shell of what he used to be.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's a tough sell for Steelers fans

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Speaker 1: I disagree with that. I think he was much improved

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Speaker 1: from year one in Denver in fact, and counting stats

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Speaker 1: with Hack getting your one. In Denver, he threw for

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Speaker 1: agree with you Mark that it's a hard sell, but

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's a bigger upgrade than we think, just

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Speaker 4: I'm closer to Mark here in the two polls, just

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Speaker 4: because what's that saying, don't let perfect be the enemy

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Speaker 4: Russell Wilson's an incremental improvement. I would say, do do

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Speaker 4: let perfect be the enemy of good? In this case,

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Speaker 4: the whole point of a front office is to find

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 4: That's the most important thing that is in your entire organization.

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Speaker 4: Until you have one, you need to have a shot

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Speaker 4: to go find one, And signing Russell Wilson is giving

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Speaker 4: enough upgrade to me from Mason Rudolph. To me, he

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Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett was like this guy that no one really

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Speaker 4: for the middle, and that's Russell Wilson. There's no point

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Speaker 1: Think. I think you might I could have this wrong.

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Speaker 1: But perfect is the enemy of good would mean that

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Speaker 1: they are only going for the best possible. And because

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Speaker 4: Me, like, don't ignore better. I think Russell Wilson in

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Speaker 4: theory is getting better. So I say that does not

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Speaker 1: I want the words flipped. No, I say what I've

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Speaker 5: Well, that's it's all in the Saint don't know.

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Speaker 1: If you settle for Wilson, you're not going for the great,

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Speaker 1: which would be the top ten quarterback. Yeah, perfect is

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Speaker 5: It's all in the same idea.

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Speaker 1: I'm more side with Mark on this side of the poll.

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Speaker 4: This is going full Tare is the man who is

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Speaker 1: I wish I wish we could dig it, dig him

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Speaker 4: I don't know where if bull Taire had Russell Wilson

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Speaker 4: it's not high, it's not enough, higher than then Russell,

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Speaker 3: According to your race, you'd rather have Jacoby percent.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, we'll get to that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Russell Wilson also had one of the highest

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Speaker 1: I like Jake Brisky, but I mean, is he going

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Speaker 5: No great options, But my point is you'll get me started.

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Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor in your top eight we please.

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Speaker 5: He's top eight free agent quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: He played great last year in his limited time, so

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Speaker 4: he's a great back walks of the limp backups are

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Speaker 4: worth something. But ja Kobe, to be fair, would kind

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Speaker 4: not really trying for a great quarterback either. I think

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Speaker 4: it'd be a better option. But the point is you

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Speaker 4: need to be putting bigger resources into taking a big swing.

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Speaker 4: You're not gonna win with defense and running.

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Speaker 3: In that division two. Please all right?

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Speaker 1: So yes, as we talked about at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: yesterday's show, the decision to trade for Russ Wilson and

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Speaker 1: Denver and then give him the massive contract will have

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Speaker 1: continue to reverberate with that organization for years because they

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Speaker 1: have eighty five million dollars in dead cap money. A

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Speaker 1: It not to bum out, you know, my neighbor or whatever, but.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like he's already going some things.

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Speaker 1: They have no chance to win the Super Bowl in

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Speaker 1: the next two years in my opinion, and and I

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Speaker 1: next season. The Broncos release safety Justin Simmons. This man

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Speaker 4: It is crazy to me, and this is an anomaly.

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Speaker 1: Why I'm especially strong on that with Denver is not

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Speaker 5: Their route is the Baker in there.

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Speaker 4: It's the Baker route where they the Bucks stumbled on

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Speaker 5: Could they do that certain Yes with Sean.

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Speaker 4: I mean they could do it with Baker, right. The

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Speaker 4: That always bothered West. West was always kind of big

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're done with a off season hype

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Speaker 1: know what else, It's time for mark Ezra Cleveland update Bang.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars signed the Guard to a three or twenty

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Speaker 5: A lot of guards are gonna get paid.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Jaguars fans are too excited about this,

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Speaker 1: I've spoken to several and they are over the moon. Greg.

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Speaker 4: I'm really thinking John Shipley, who is a great reporter

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Speaker 5: Why do you take this so well? They do what

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you? As the portrayal of that person. Every

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Speaker 4: I feel I feel a little attack because I almost

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Speaker 1: No, you've got a little bit of the diet, you

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Speaker 4: Absolutely I'm going to be following them and more into

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Speaker 1: But it's just laundry.

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Speaker 4: But it's just the volume is so far down than

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Speaker 3: Well, you're you're not a child at that.

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Speaker 1: I'm a grown man. I don't root it. Colors on, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I like their colors.

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Speaker 5: Forget child.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm just a front runner, because it's like I

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Speaker 4: It was just like, okay, we've we've accomplished at all.

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Speaker 4: What's the point.

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Speaker 1: You can't be taken seriously in this business unless you

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Speaker 3: That's how he performs.

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Speaker 4: I also feel bad, though, Dan, because sometimes I realized

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Speaker 5: I did not intend to have Ezra Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: That that's true.

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Speaker 1: UH. We talked about Jordan Poyer being cut yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you saw this coming because this was another case

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Speaker 4: I know, and I get it. There are some things

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Speaker 4: Just and someone inside the league text and me he

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Speaker 4: could get suspended and this will the way they structured it,

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Speaker 4: He's going to get guaranteed that money. So he took

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Speaker 4: like three million dollars less, but if he does get suspended,

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Speaker 4: he'll end up with more. So you know, it works

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Speaker 4: out for these players with a guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: I know that football is completely different than basketball, but

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Speaker 1: I don't feel that Sean McDermott hot takes on nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven notwithstanding, should be on the hot seat. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to use my own fandom parallel in the NBA

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Speaker 1: when Patrick Ewing and Charles Oakley and John Starks and

452
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Speaker 1: whether it's Doc Rivers or Derek Harper could not could

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Speaker 1: not get over the hump against the Bulls and Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: and I don't remember anybody in that in that media

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Speaker 1: market ever saying we got to fire pat Riley because.

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Speaker 3: But pat Riley had won like five titles.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying like it was it was I understand that,

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Speaker 1: but it's sometimes my point being you get good at

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Speaker 1: the wrong time, and buffalo running into the teeth of

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Speaker 1: the Patrick Mahomes era is really tough, and I understand that,

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Speaker 1: Like you could say, well, then you got to bring

462
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Speaker 1: somebody in that could figure out how to beat Pat

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Speaker 1: Mahomes and maybe that time will come. But I'm just

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Speaker 1: giving McDermott and the Bills fans in general, and Eric

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Speaker 1: Roberts behind the glass, this is just a very frot.

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Speaker 1: I've been there in different way as a fan, Like

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Speaker 1: it's so frustrating to be here at this moment because

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Speaker 1: if there was no Mahomes, yeah, the Bills probably get

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Speaker 1: over the hump once or even twice by now, but

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Speaker 1: they haven't been able to.

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Speaker 2: I guess Also, what I was noting was that like

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Speaker 2: Bills fans in that region. I'm not saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: high thinking Bills fans from you know, other parts of

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Speaker 2: the country, but it's like there isn't a level of agitation.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, how do we how do we decide

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Speaker 2: if he's on the hot seat or not. He just

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Speaker 2: I think there's a fair amount of pressure and a

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Speaker 2: tightening vice around the Bill's experience.

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Speaker 4: And he he adds to that because he's just as

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Speaker 4: about as tightly wound as ever. I'm feeling basketball reference closer.

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Speaker 4: I consider the Bills, the Lob City Clippers and Patrick

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Speaker 4: Mahomes Steph Curry in the War yea, like you.

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Speaker 1: Can't even get out of the West.

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Speaker 4: They never even write they never even got to a

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Speaker 4: conference final. But that that's fair. I I was thinking about, uh,

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Speaker 4: my Celtics right now. We've had a ton of success.

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Speaker 5: Fall is completely different than anything.

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Speaker 4: Sort of a championship has got to be disappointing when

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Speaker 4: you're the big there the sign BRender doctrine. You must

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Speaker 4: win the finals at this point this season, which is

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Speaker 4: which is not a great place to be. It's not

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Speaker 4: it's not great because if they lose to the Nuggets,

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Speaker 4: it's like, that's totally understandable.

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Speaker 1: And yet you know who found I.

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Speaker 2: Also sound like an idiot and that clip, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Football is completely different than basketball.

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Speaker 2: That is an embarrassing sound.

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Speaker 1: But it's fine. It's fine, You're fine. Now. I forgot

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Speaker 1: what he was gonna say, but it was probably trenching.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening in the news. We'll take

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Speaker 1: a break and then we'll welcome in Mina Chimes. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Sausage fingers getting a lot of use on the acts

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Speaker 1: recently cause we've been having a lot of great guests

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Speaker 1: and that role continues for Around the NFL. Back for

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Speaker 1: another appearance. Oh, it seems like so long ago that

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Speaker 1: Mina Chimes was coming into our old studio in Culver City.

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Speaker 1: We had stopped at a gas station and got us

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Speaker 1: some hip hop themed potato chips, and it began a

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Speaker 1: wonderful relationship the ESPN Star and the NFL heroes. So

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Speaker 1: what's up, Mina Kimes. Welcome back to around the NFL.

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Speaker 6: Hey know, if that was the beginning of our relationship,

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Speaker 6: I don't even know if that was my first close.

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Speaker 1: I think it was your first appearance.

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Speaker 2: And also I believe you'd had a rough and tumble

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Speaker 2: time at that seven eleven before picking up those chips.

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Speaker 6: That is true, that is lore now in our relationship

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Speaker 6: that I was so determined to make it that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you'll you'll find out Dan likes to create narratives,

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Speaker 4: which over the years, you know, just start forming into

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Speaker 4: total fictions that create narratives.

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Speaker 1: This is just storytelling me. You know, pop quick pop quiz.

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Speaker 1: What was the the hip hop star who was on

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Speaker 1: those potato chips?

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Speaker 6: I think it was Cardi b.

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Speaker 5: Oh incorrect, Greg, Well, I don't know if I'm right.

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Speaker 5: This came up. We were talking about it.

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Speaker 1: You spoke complently about it. I thought it was mean

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Speaker 1: egos chips. That sounds potentially right, right, No, but you

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Speaker 1: spoke with confidence when we talked about it last time.

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Speaker 6: One of your listeners, you guys have a very active,

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Speaker 6: engaged fan base. I'm sure one of them. Good call

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Speaker 6: and you know and remembers your can dip go back

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Speaker 6: into the archives.

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Speaker 3: Oh you got that right.

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Speaker 1: Let us know who is correct? All right, Mina. You

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Speaker 1: have taken some time out of your busy schedule, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for that to help us dig in on

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Speaker 1: the updated rankings. And by the way, just to put

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Speaker 1: it on your radar, Mina, because you're a major national personality.

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and I are going to be putting out

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Speaker 1: our free agency two thirteen at midnight on Tuesday. So

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Speaker 1: just let's let if you want to us on one

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Speaker 1: of your programs. Yes, still working on it. Where where available?

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Speaker 4: Uh, Tuesday seems like a bad time for it. So

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Speaker 4: it's like kind of all that happen.

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Speaker 1: Don't need it, don't need it here from are we? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: Greg's one oh one is updated? So Greg, why don't

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Speaker 1: you get us going here? How do we want to

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Speaker 1: attack what's going?

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Speaker 7: All?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: So I want to I thought it'd be fun we

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Speaker 4: go through by position. Now that all these free agent

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Speaker 4: tags have been you know, put on, we've had some

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Speaker 4: interesting players added to the list, like Justin Simmons is

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Speaker 4: now in the in the top fifty.

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Speaker 5: Uh, and maybe go through by positions?

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Speaker 4: Good, just to a quick run through of like a

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Speaker 4: top ten by positions and then you guys throw out

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Speaker 4: what you don't like or any sleepers, any bus and

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Speaker 4: he fits that you like. I think defensive end is

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Speaker 4: probably still the deepest, even though the top of the

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Speaker 4: lot got taken away. So at defensive end edge, I

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Speaker 4: have danil Hunter out there at number one. Jonathan Garnard

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Speaker 4: you boy Mina at number two. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: he's your Broy, Bryce Huff, Chaise Young, for Zideria Smith five,

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Speaker 4: Andrew van Ginkel six, Genevian Clowney, josh Uch Dorns Armstrong,

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Speaker 4: Marcus Davenport. I mean, even guys like Shaq Beart and

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Speaker 4: Leonard Floyd Whor are good, good players, are not on

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Speaker 4: the list. This is a position where you can still

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Speaker 4: find some players in free agency. I think Grenard especially

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Speaker 4: had a nice week that he's kind of the only

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Speaker 4: guy in the sweet spot that is hitting free agency

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Speaker 4: at this time, and there's going to be a bidding war,

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Speaker 4: and I think the Texans are comfortable letting him go

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Speaker 4: for whatever reason.

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Speaker 6: Gernard, I don't know if he's my boy. He's kind

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Speaker 6: of like an NFL Twitter sweetheart, right. He is well

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Speaker 6: last Obo Camaranquo was Jonathan Grenard before Jonathan Gard and

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Speaker 6: incidentally on the same team. He's like, I'll watch the

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Speaker 6: tape and you see how good he is, how complete

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Speaker 6: he is a good player. Though he is a good player.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you in Houston, especially since you got

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Speaker 6: Will Anderson Junior. They do have a lot of cap space,

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Speaker 6: so I like this group, it's a lot of one

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Speaker 6: bees and two's hunters. I think the only like real superstar,

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Speaker 6: a guy like Bryce Huff is someone who you guys know,

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Speaker 6: you know, small sample size all star question. Did New

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Speaker 6: York just have too much depth obviously they like to

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Speaker 6: rotate their pass rushers or did they feel he wasn't

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Speaker 6: an every down player. That's the kind of question the

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Speaker 6: acquiring team will have to answer. Just looking at this list,

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Speaker 6: I think that Andrew Banking was like surprising great last year.

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Speaker 6: That's a player that I feel like could be had

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Speaker 6: at a reasonable price.

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Speaker 5: H He's a Mark favorite is.

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Speaker 2: It's not just his name. He sounds good, came from

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Speaker 2: a child's fable, but like at the same time, like

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's years in a row when you're

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Speaker 2: watching the Dolphins and he pops up once a game

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Speaker 2: or twice a game doing something completely different. It's like

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Speaker 2: Greg notes in this that if Bill Belichick was still

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Speaker 2: in New England, he'd be going to the Patriots like

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Speaker 2: today right now.

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Speaker 3: But I think he can help.

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Speaker 2: He's a kind of free agent pick up I like

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Speaker 2: because you don't have to like blow your budget for him.

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Speaker 2: But he always seems to make a difference.

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Speaker 1: I think Huff is a guy you want to take

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Speaker 1: a swing on. I think as a jetsman, I saw

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Speaker 1: how constant he was in terms as a pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, like they didn't trust him against the run.

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Speaker 1: So that is you know, you got to watch your

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Speaker 1: tape and make a judgment on you on your own

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Speaker 1: outside the building. But twenty six years old with like

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Speaker 1: win rates that are as good as like almost any

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Speaker 1: player in the league, if you can get him, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be expensive. But if you can get him in

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Speaker 1: a little bit less than you know where the top

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Speaker 1: names are going, you might get the most productive, you know,

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Speaker 1: sax specialist of any of them. So I understand why

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Speaker 1: the Jets might be going walking away, But I also

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Speaker 1: could see it ended up being a big mistake.

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Speaker 4: It matters so much like when you hit free agency,

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Speaker 4: because like josh ushe coming off last year would have

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Speaker 4: been ye towards the top of the list, and then

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Speaker 4: the Patriots like, you never just played him that much

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Speaker 4: and he's still a good pass rusher, but do you

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Speaker 4: trust him? I have a little bit of like Chase Winovich.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if fatigue is the right word or

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Speaker 4: just remembering how poorly his post Patriots career went, and

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Speaker 4: he was kind of a similar type player.

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Speaker 5: But it is a position.

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Speaker 4: You need three edge players essentially in the NFL, three

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Speaker 4: good ones, and and these guys can all be number twos.

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Speaker 4: There's guys who aren't even on the list, like you know,

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Speaker 4: Engakway is still out there at Panessa, Charles Harris like

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Speaker 4: that are decent. It's deeper than other positions. You can

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Speaker 4: actually find guys unlike receiver. Let's talk receiver.

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Speaker 1: Wait, can we just I have one last idea for

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Speaker 1: Jadavian Clowney, who's coming off a really good year in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Can we you know how what's the name of the

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Speaker 1: event on NFL network where we come back to camp,

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Speaker 1: back to training camp or something.

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Speaker 5: Itc inside training camp.

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Speaker 2: But like the big launch day, I think it's like,

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Speaker 2: we're all back together. I get back together.

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Speaker 6: Saturday together that's what you guys call you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're never actually back together there. We're just

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Speaker 5: stealed here.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, but atn back together Saturday. But you you, Jadavin

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Speaker 1: Clowney is at the event wherever one of the camps

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Speaker 1: and you get a big wheel and whoever it lands

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Speaker 1: On gives him a one year, seven million dollar contract.

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Speaker 5: Mmm.

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Speaker 1: Bang, I feel like he'll sign that and everybody wins.

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Speaker 6: I would not mind him for my Seahawks reunion with

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Speaker 6: Mike Mack, who I thought got the most out of him.

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Speaker 6: That was a tremendous marriage of defensive coordinator with his

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Speaker 6: skill set because he's so versatile, he can cover, he's

661
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Speaker 6: so athletic, already has a jersey, right if you kind

662
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Speaker 6: of forget to David Clowney era in Seattle. But yeah,

663
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Speaker 6: either that's something that they need to augment, and that

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Speaker 6: strikes me as like you said, like that one year,

665
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Speaker 6: single digit millions maybe high within tis kind of deal,

666
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Speaker 6: but the coach already knows how.

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Speaker 1: To use in best good good news for you under

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Speaker 1: my Plan one and thirty two chips.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 5: That is the way the value is an agency.

671
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Speaker 4: It's like you're not going to get stars at good prices,

672
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Speaker 4: but you can get especially these older defensive linemen or

673
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Speaker 4: older defensive players in general, and you get them on

674
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Speaker 4: one year contract. The Browns loved it last year with

675
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Speaker 4: him in Zadarius Smith. Let's talk receiver where there won't

676
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Speaker 4: be cheap contracts. The top ten now has been decimated

677
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Speaker 4: and now Calvin Ridley's the best receiver available. In my opinion,

678
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Speaker 4: markis Brown, who I heard MINA you and our friend

679
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Speaker 4: Patrick Claybonn dismissing on your podcast. It's a whole atn

680
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Speaker 4: Mina Times Crossover this week because you have our regular

681
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Speaker 4: Patrick on your show and we'll have to check that out.

682
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Speaker 6: You know, when you have a player that you and

683
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Speaker 6: a friend or a colleague, the media are obsessed with,

684
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Speaker 6: and whenever they do something good, you text it's I'm sure,

685
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Speaker 6: like Greg Rosenthal and Stephen Luiz anytime Gino Smith did everything,

686
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Speaker 6: I'm sure you guys got in touch because he's your guy.

687
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Speaker 6: So Marky Sprown is like the opposite for me in Playbo,

688
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Speaker 6: and I think it's because we were kind of Lamar

689
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Speaker 6: Stands and we were constantly let down by his drops,

690
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Speaker 6: and every time he would have a drop, instantly I

691
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 6: would pull up my phone and one of us would

692
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Speaker 6: text the other and upset be angry about it. I

693
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Speaker 6: look at the scrip of receivers and I look at

694
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Speaker 6: the draft, and I just don't see why you would

695
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Speaker 6: pay a significant amount of money for them.

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Speaker 5: I think that you got the.

697
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Speaker 6: Guys at the top, you're Higgins Evans, They're probably gonna

698
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Speaker 6: you know, India has money and they can keep Pittman Junior.

699
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Speaker 6: We'll see for how much. But beyond that, guys, wouldn't

700
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Speaker 6: you rather have a rookie on a cost controlled contract

701
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Speaker 6: given how well they've played in recent years.

702
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the rest of the listen, they are candidates

703
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Speaker 5: to get overpaid. Gabe Davis.

704
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Speaker 4: I have third Curtis Samuel, who will never give up

705
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Speaker 4: on it somehow, still only twenty eight years old and

706
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Speaker 4: is a great role player. Actually probably won't cost that much,

707
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Speaker 4: so I think he's not a bad pick up. Darnell Mooney,

708
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Speaker 4: kJ Osborne, Odell Beckham, Tyler Boyd, Michael Thomas, who we're

709
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Speaker 4: going to get to a little later for Flaming. It's

710
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Speaker 4: a bunch of malcontact, Jeff Duncan, Kendrick Bourne, who I

711
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Speaker 4: always think is good, and then Josh Reynold did it

712
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Speaker 4: falls off for there, So it's like a bunch of

713
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Speaker 4: role players. Brown Ridley and I think Gabe Davis are

714
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Speaker 4: probably going to be that guy you're talking about mina

715
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Speaker 4: where they get paid a ton of money without you know,

716
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Speaker 4: having had a ton of production.

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Speaker 5: I like Marky's Brown, Like he's like you have to

718
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Speaker 5: keep him happy.

719
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Speaker 2: Though it's like it's like, no matter what situation he's in,

720
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Speaker 2: like you're playing with one of the best quarterbacks of

721
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Speaker 2: our generation, and by the end of it, he's like

722
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Speaker 2: tweeting stuff and he's, you know, just an adjutant. So

723
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Speaker 2: it's like, you can't. You gotta be careful if you're

724
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Speaker 2: gonna go give him a ton of money.

725
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Speaker 1: Is this the year where Odell's market finally kind of

726
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Speaker 1: matches up with where he is or where you know

727
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Speaker 1: where is that he's still even another year later and

728
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Speaker 1: he's still only he's thirty one. Like what we did

729
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Speaker 1: see some things mina from Odell, but then he was

730
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Speaker 1: also losing playing time down the stretch in Baltimore and

731
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Speaker 1: Greg as you pointed out, and you're one on one

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Speaker 1: right up, which I agree with. I wonder if they,

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Speaker 1: if they could do it over again, would Baltimore get

734
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Speaker 1: new Hopkins and maybe things are different there? But that's

735
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Speaker 1: the past. Where do you think Odell's market is this offseason?

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Speaker 6: I think this is the year that it drops off

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Speaker 6: because last year it was mystifying to me who Baltimore

738
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Speaker 6: was bidding against when they paid him, what was it

739
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Speaker 6: sixteen million if I remember correctly, it actually almost felt

740
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Speaker 6: like like a Lamar cost to get the deal with Lamar.

741
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Speaker 6: That's total speculation, but you remember at the time when

742
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Speaker 6: they signed Odell.

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Speaker 5: Then it was worth it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it was worth it. They might have been

745
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Speaker 1: they might have been negotiating a little bit against Aaron Rodgers,

746
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Speaker 1: general manager of the Jets back then. He was reported

747
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Speaker 1: connected to them a lot. And then Baltimore went and

748
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Speaker 1: got him. That's how I remember that.

749
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Speaker 6: Maybe he'll be a Jet, but yeah, I just again

750
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Speaker 6: like I don't there were moments where you saw with

751
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 6: the ball in his hands, still looks really good, but

752
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Speaker 6: he's so he was so inconsistent for Baltimore. And then

753
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Speaker 6: at the end, you know, you did just games where

754
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Speaker 6: he wasn't used at all.

755
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Speaker 2: Here at NFL Network, they've got paintings all up and

756
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Speaker 2: down the hallway of NFL Legends and at one point

757
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Speaker 2: they've painted initially and this got on my radar, Salt

758
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Speaker 2: the yarn Well Odell Beckhan was painted as a Cleveland

759
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: Brown because that's when we kind of landed here in theory.

760
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Speaker 2: And then you know, by the end of the season, someone,

761
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Speaker 2: some painter to come in and change him to a

762
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Speaker 2: ram and then they just stopped changing the outfit because

763
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Speaker 2: it's like he's going to be on his you know,

764
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Speaker 2: multiple teams since then.

765
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Speaker 1: So they made the mistake. They should have just used

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Speaker 1: the image on the wall of him doing the one

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Speaker 1: head to catch the giant and away we go.

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Speaker 4: When I was writing that write up, I actually was

769
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Speaker 4: thinking about, you know, a theory which seems obvious enough,

770
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Speaker 4: but as I get older, I think it's more and

771
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Speaker 4: more true, Like how much money would have how much

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Speaker 4: money less would Odell have made in his career if

773
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Speaker 4: he wasn't so good looking? This is coming up on you,

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Speaker 4: you know, your pet project love his Bland. I think

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Speaker 4: I think it really. I think if he was like

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Speaker 4: an unattractive guy all along, he would have made like

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Speaker 4: less money.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's attracted a lot of attractive guys in the NFL,

779
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Speaker 1: but he also has I think I just mentioned the catch.

780
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Speaker 1: The catch gave him a he made him electric catch.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the marketing aspect of the catch, but again but.

782
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Speaker 5: That all contributed to it.

783
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Speaker 6: Good theory, Greg, great, Greg, though, I feel like is

784
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Speaker 6: as much of a looker and he might get iced

785
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Speaker 6: out here. Although if you know, I think the Big

786
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 6: Data Bowl is over. But if someone who goes to

787
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Speaker 6: MIT Sloan wants to test Greg's theory and see whether

788
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Speaker 6: pretty privileged exists in the NFL, obviously Jimmy G's gonna

789
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 6: drag up those averages, but beyond that you might be

790
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 6: onto something well.

791
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Speaker 4: And even Saquon maybe he wouldn't have been as big

792
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 4: a star coming out of college. You wouldn't have had

793
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 4: as much hype, like all feeds into it up, Let's

794
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Speaker 4: talk running backs while we're here that, by the way,

795
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Speaker 4: I mean it.

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Speaker 1: Can you come back a Saturday night live show at

797
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: Jockxers Daily in Culver City. Greg's gonna unveil his top

798
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Speaker 1: ten babes of the NFL. If you could join us

799
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Speaker 1: for that show, get a babysitter.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I'm looking at this free agent now

801
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Speaker 6: wondering who is going to be the pretty privileged pick

802
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 6: of this class.

803
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Speaker 5: Kirk's done pretty well in this career or two?

804
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Speaker 4: Okay, top ten running back Saquon Derrick, Henry Josh Jacobs,

805
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Speaker 4: Tony Pollard, Austin Eckler, DeAndre Swift, JK. Dobbins keeps going

806
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 4: Devin Singletary, AJ Dillon. I'd go even Zach Moss is

807
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Speaker 4: in my top ten. I mean outside the ten is

808
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Speaker 4: Antonio Gibson, Gus Edwards.

809
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Speaker 5: This is one where.

810
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Speaker 4: The the veterans seem like they're better than the rookie class.

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Speaker 4: So not like they're gonna get paid because there's so

812
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Speaker 4: many of them, but this is the year. For instance,

813
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Speaker 4: I would like to get Tony Pollard. That would be

814
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Speaker 4: the guy if I was a GM out of that group,

815
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Speaker 4: and maybe DeAndre Swift would be a close second of

816
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Speaker 4: Like he's not gonna cost that much, but Tony Pollard

817
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: a year removed from that injury. People didn't really give

818
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: him much leeway for coming off the injury a year ago.

819
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Speaker 4: I would go after Tony Pollard.

820
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Speaker 5: No, I don't know. I like your one B like

821
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 5: you have like I don't know.

822
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Speaker 4: Like for instance, the Patriots, they could they could put

823
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: a one B with Ramandre Stevenson and that's a nice

824
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 4: one two punch.

825
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Speaker 6: Increasingly amove the mind that that two track sort of

826
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Speaker 6: approach to running back is the way to do it.

827
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Speaker 6: You get a veteran who's kind of a mid tier

828
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Speaker 6: running back contract, so not that much and then you

829
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Speaker 6: draft your running back in the mid to later rounds.

830
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Speaker 6: So what Miami has right with with Mostert and a

831
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Speaker 6: Chan for example. So yeah, if you could grab like

832
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Speaker 6: Apollard on a reasonable deal to pair with a rookie

833
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 6: Henry and Spears and Tennessee this past year as another

834
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Speaker 6: team that did that, I think that makes sense. I

835
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Speaker 6: don't think any of these guys are going to command

836
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Speaker 6: huge contracts because as you said, there's so many of

837
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Speaker 6: them and the draft is not great.

838
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Speaker 1: Can I throw out one prediction there are some guys

839
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Speaker 1: that are going to up getting paid a little bit

840
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Speaker 1: more than we're expecting. I think Saquan of the guys

841
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Speaker 1: on this list, there might be a general manager to

842
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: that view him as a little different and with a

843
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: higher ceiling, and then right offense they should it could

844
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Speaker 1: be better looking a little different Bronx state of like that.

845
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: Maybe he can be somebody that gets a bigger deal,

846
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: not a monster contract, but a contract where it's like,

847
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: oh he got an extra year, it's some more guaranteed

848
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: than we expected. He's different.

849
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Speaker 2: I we mentioned this yesterday, Like, I love the idea

850
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: of him on the just plug him into the Houston

851
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: Texans who have like the most second third most cap

852
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: money in the league and are to come out of this.

853
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 5: Like some reporting they're not into him.

854
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: But I think they're gonna That team is gonna come

855
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: out of this like March to May process as like

856
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: the Darlings, the uprising Darlings. But because the NFL probably

857
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: is just a sigh up, of course Saquon Barkley will

858
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: wind up in the the Dallas Cowboys them.

859
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Speaker 6: The nerd numbers actually liked Saquon more than I thought

860
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 6: this year. Obviously super frustrating offense to watch. There were

861
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 6: still games this year where Sequon would just take over

862
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 6: right and it was very obvious he was still the

863
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 6: best weapon in New York, but bad run blocking. The

864
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 6: basic numbers were not good. The next gen stat metric

865
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Speaker 6: that I like, return over rushing yards over expected, which

866
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Speaker 6: accounts for locking and the position of the defenders, still

867
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Speaker 6: had Saquon as I believe, the top ten back amongst

868
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Speaker 6: the high volume backs, which was actually better than anyone else.

869
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Speaker 6: I think of these free agents when I looked it up,

870
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Speaker 6: so different. Yeah, yeah, so I think he's not one

871
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Speaker 6: of those guys. But I'm saying, who's like all fluff

872
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 6: and all fame and looks. I do think he's still

873
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 6: a really good player.

874
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 4: I think he's better in some ways than he was

875
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 4: as a rookie and is a smarter runner, like takes

876
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: what's given.

877
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: I thought he ran really well last year.

878
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: Actually thought Josh Jacobs ran well enough in the last

879
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: month of the season that you were like, ooh, that

880
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: was Josh Jacobs again. That I was that he missed

881
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: the last month concerned or his last his last games

882
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: of the season. He finally started making people miss it

883
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: like he used to.

884
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a quick break here with Mina and

885
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more discussion of the Greg

886
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: one oh one, all right, welcome back.

887
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 5: Let's let's go to safety.

888
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: I want to that's this is the deepest position, just

889
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: because teams don't care about it. There's so many players available,

890
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: it's kind of crazy. I have Chauncey Gardner Johnson at

891
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 4: one I feel like. So I did check out the

892
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 4: rankings of other places after I put mine up, and

893
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 4: people are way down on Chauncey Calder Johnson. Now he's

894
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: no longer like in the top fifties in any of

895
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 4: these other lists.

896
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 5: So I guess I'm on a limb.

897
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 4: There, Zabry McKinney, who's great, Cam Curl who's great, Julian

898
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: Blackman who quietly had a really nice season. Then Justin Simmons,

899
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 4: Jordan Fuller, Jeremy Chin, Gino Stone, Jordan Whitehead, Lowhee, Gilman.

900
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 4: It goes on and on, your boy, Kwandrey Diggs. Maybe

901
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: he should be on this list too, mikel Hyde. We're

902
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: not sure if he's going to retire. There are a

903
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: million safeties out there. Mean a pick, pick something you

904
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 4: don't like about my list. I just that's what is

905
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 4: my love language. I miss Wes used to just at

906
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: this point in the show, just tell me what I

907
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: had wrong.

908
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean CJD Like, I think you're right. People

909
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 6: are probably too low on him because because last we

910
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 6: saw of him when he did come back from injury

911
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 6: was very late the season, and he wasn't quite himself.

912
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 6: Still a really good player, but I don't I would

913
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 6: put him outside of the top five, to be honest.

914
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 6: I mean, these are some really good safeties, Like Justin Simmons.

915
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 6: I know he's thirty years old, he still plays at

916
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 6: such a high level and he's so versatile. You look

917
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 6: at I really think he could probably play in any defense.

918
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 6: But I mentioned on Twitter today that you know, the

919
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 6: Packers are team that are going to be linked with

920
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 6: a lot of safeties. They're switching to new scheme with

921
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 6: their defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley, more single high. Simmons is

922
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 6: a guy who can play the post, he can drop

923
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 6: down into the box. He's still a really really good tackler.

924
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 6: He's really really smart. He called the defense to me,

925
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 6: Maybe McKinney and Curl I would put above him just

926
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 6: because they're young and also very talented. But if you're

927
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 6: a team where you're just like McKinney's really good, if

928
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 6: you're just like a safety away though, and you're kind

929
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 6: of filling out the roster like Green Bay, I would

930
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 6: love like a Justin Simmonsons.

931
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: And Simmons is like a like Walter Payton Man of

932
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: the Year locker room guy, like is the that you

933
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: just anchor your defense around and like you plug it

934
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: into the screen.

935
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 3: Bay team that's on the rise.

936
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 4: I like that Green Bay does not have a safety

937
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: really on their roster oh right now, because the and

938
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 4: they struggled last year at maybe they think they don't

939
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 4: need one right and the ones yeah, yeah, go ahead.

940
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 6: What doesn't it feel like that defense just they keep

941
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 6: throwing draft, first round draft picks at it and it

942
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 6: just never clicks. And there's always these coverage busts. And

943
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 6: I know they hate Joe Berry defensive coordinator, but the

944
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 6: problems precede that. Doesn't it feel like they need that

945
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 6: veteran cerebral presence. I know Gile Alexander is forever my

946
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 6: honorary captain of that defense, but a guy to really

947
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 6: be the leader of the defense't like for me, like

948
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 6: a guy you have a lot of youth, bring in

949
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 6: that sort of veteran presence, super smart player, a guy

950
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 6: who's seen it all. And I feel like this roster

951
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 6: is so close.

952
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: Right they they should do what the best thing to

953
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: do in free agency is, which is just get role

954
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: players like that. That's the best free agency is to

955
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: fill role players like lower level starters. You just it

956
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 4: just made me think, though we're everyone's gonna be so

957
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: high on the Packers this year, I just really I'm

958
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: gonna I'm going to be because there are pretty easy

959
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: fixes here. The coordinator on defense, the safety position, like

960
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 4: stuff you can actually do to fix this team and

961
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: so many good things that every they are going to

962
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: be the trendy, like they make the Super Bowl team

963
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 4: in in September.

964
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: Let let's do.

965
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 4: Let's do uh, let's do quarterbacks. So Kirk's actually gonna

966
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 4: become a free agent. I do wonder if Denver is

967
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 4: sitting out there as the team that like is getting

968
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 4: no buzz, which is often the team that actually sign

969
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 4: makes the big signing because they keep it in house.

970
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: And I just think Denver Atlanta, in my mind, are

971
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 4: the two most likely places now with Minnesota, then it's

972
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissette, Baker, Tannehill, Russ Jamis Winston, Minshew Tyrod.

973
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 5: I got Josh Dobbs and Sam Darnold.

974
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people out there, Drew Lockes and

975
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 4: even Mason Rudolph.

976
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 5: There's a lot of backup quarterbacks available.

977
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 4: Do I have your Do I have Russell Wilson in

978
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 4: the right spot here, like I Dan, I think.

979
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 6: I would put him over Tannehill. Tannehill was really bad

980
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 6: last year.

981
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 5: It's fair really bad.

982
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 6: I mean Jacoby over Baker is so spicy Craig.

983
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: That just stood out to all of us.

984
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: He just skated over.

985
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, then I got Jacoby, Then.

986
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 5: I got Baker.

987
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: Though we've been trying to reason with Greg for years

988
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: on this, I.

989
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: Don't think you totally disagree who has been better when

990
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: he I.

991
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: Mean I kind of think she does based on the

992
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: way she reacted.

993
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 5: Just I don't believe it. I don't believe it.

994
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 6: I would rather have Jacoby at the contract that I

995
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 6: think you'll command relative to Baker. In a vacuum, I

996
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 6: would probably go with Baker. I thought he put together

997
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 6: some really nice performances last year. But Baker at like

998
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 6: thirty five versus Jacoby at ten. Give me Jacoby all

999
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 6: day long.

1000
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question, do in your

1001
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: world do you think it matters at all that Kirk

1002
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: Cousin's wife is from Georgia.

1003
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 6: Uh. This was a concern with Mike mack by the

1004
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 6: way in Seattle because his wife is from Georgia and

1005
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 6: Seahawks Hans are very concerned about the Falcons, the lure

1006
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 6: of Atlanta, I mean less so than that. To me

1007
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 6: is the Zach Robinson offensive coordinator, the ramsification of the Falcons.

1008
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 6: It just seems like Kirk Cousins is such a natural

1009
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 6: fit for what they're gonna want to do on offense,

1010
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 6: and they have the money to do so. I feel

1011
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 6: like they have They're the obvious leader in the clubhouse

1012
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 6: of Minnesota. Doesn't bring him back. You mentioned Denver, I think,

1013
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 6: I mean they would have to go full Saints cap

1014
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 6: to try to make that work. Pittsburgh, to me, makes

1015
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 6: way more sense than I don't think they're gonna do

1016
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 6: it because it seems like they don't want to take

1017
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 6: a big swing. But that to me makes a lot

1018
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 6: more sense than any other team.

1019
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: But Atlanta. I'm trying to wrap my head around. We

1020
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: were just talking about how Denver just really screwed the

1021
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: pooch with Russell Wilson. That's messed them up in a

1022
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: lot of ways. We're gonna get now. We're gonna break

1023
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: the bank for a thirty six year old quarterback coming

1024
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: off in Achilles.

1025
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't if.

1026
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm a dinner Van. I don't know if I like that.

1027
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: By the way, the top eight of this list of

1028
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks Cousins, Rossett, Baker, Tannehill, Wilson, Jameis, Winston, Gardner, Minshew

1029
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor, what about this guy?

1030
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 5: Come on?

1031
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: You know vic Fanjoe in the secondary as well, he's

1032
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: been trying to just piece this defense together as besty

1033
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: cats plant. You can't take down Sam right. Oh he

1034
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: makes a guy miss Thousan in space now excel rates

1035
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: still going inside ten for the record, Arnald, that is

1036
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: all Sam Darnold.

1037
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 6: I'm still so mad we were robbed of Sam getting

1038
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 6: a real start in Sam Francis goes the few days

1039
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 6: where it looked like that might happen.

1040
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: Thank you mean him, that's all. I wanted me to

1041
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: just give him one shot and see if he could

1042
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: light it up. And I got these bozos saying shut

1043
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: up about that. He stinks. If he had a chance

1044
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: in San Francisco could have been different maybe, but another year,

1045
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: another chapter of frustration for the Donald Hive Mark.

1046
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 6: The discourse would have been.

1047
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 4: Like they're out there, though they're all there, they're a

1048
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: sleeper cell. They're waiting men as part of it. I've

1049
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 4: noticed or Lavsky, Daniel Jeremiah.

1050
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 5: They're all out there.

1051
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 4: Waiting, and that means there's some in front offices somewhere,

1052
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 4: so you might you might get your wish, but can't.

1053
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: You just put it clearly a shot against me that

1054
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: you couldn't just put him at eight that that felt

1055
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: definitely personally.

1056
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 6: He doesn't have pretty privilege. No offense to say, but

1057
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 6: he doesn't. I think I'm stealing some love. Somebody pointed

1058
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 6: out he looks like a lego policeman, and I've never

1059
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 6: that's pretty good. But he does have a pretty pick privilege.

1060
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 6: I mean, you just saw Mitched Trubisky resound with Buffalo.

1061
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 6: I had a lot that in pretty pick privilege.

1062
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a real thing. That is more of a.

1063
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 6: Thing than right.

1064
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 4: We didn't We didn't get the dinosaur. I would have

1065
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: liked to see that, just I would have been curious.

1066
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 4: We didn't get the Teddy starting ted in Detroit, which

1067
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: I wanted.

1068
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: Fine with up just.

1069
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 4: Just one last one linebackers, very deep. We'll do the

1070
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 4: top ten at that position. Frankie Luvu. I went with

1071
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 4: number one, Patrick Queen.

1072
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: Who I see.

1073
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: Patrick Queen's been so up and down in his career

1074
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 4: that I don't even feel good about my own ranking there.

1075
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: I got to bring Roquan Swift with this one, I know,

1076
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 4: but then his coach, so maybe if he if he's

1077
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: in Seattle, great, but I don't know Roquan smith Man.

1078
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: People just forget he was getting benched like a before

1079
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 4: Roquand showed up. Jordan Brooks, Levante, David Aziz, al Shaier

1080
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: who are old producer Justin is really high on how

1081
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 4: he played in Tennessee, Drew Trankll, Devin White, who a

1082
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: couple of years ago was an All Pro, Bobby Wagner,

1083
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: Willie Gay, Josie Jewel.

1084
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 5: You can get a linebacker.

1085
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: There's like a million two to three round linebackers down linebackers.

1086
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 4: It didn't even include Blake Cashman or Tyrol Dotson or

1087
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: Kyle Vannoy if you want to call him at linebackers.

1088
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: So there are a million linebackers out there and none

1089
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 4: in the draft. And the the top guys on this list,

1090
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Speaker 4: at least the top three. I think we'll get a

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00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 4: decent amount of money. Who would you take out of

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Speaker 4: that list as your number one?

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Speaker 5: MINA Well, I.

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Speaker 6: Probably would have put Doddson and Cashman in the top ten.

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00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 6: I think they're both really good ascending players. Lou Vu

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Speaker 6: to me like he is the other like NFL hipster Fave.

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Speaker 6: You gotta have the right defense where you're asking him

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Speaker 6: to rush the passer and you know, cause he's got

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Speaker 6: kind of Swiss army knife type player. I don't think

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Speaker 6: he's a guy you just PLoP down and you're like,

1101
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 6: all right, you're the mic, you're leader of the defense.

1102
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Speaker 6: We're gonna build around you necessarily. I am. I think

1103
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 6: you got the rankings correct. It really depends on what

1104
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Speaker 6: your needs are on defense. But I really like Patrick Queen.

1105
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 6: I thought he played so well this year. And it

1106
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 6: wasn't just when rokwand first came in. It was like, okay, great,

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Speaker 6: now Patrick Queen is this incredible athlete. We can just

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00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 6: point and shoot right. He can play fast, and he

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00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 6: can just get out. He can just play with his

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Speaker 6: hair on fire. But this year I think you saw

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00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 6: him take another step in coverage, diagnosed, diagnosing routes, reading

1112
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 6: the quarterback, reading the run so well. He's sort of

1113
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 6: on that trajectory now we're seeing with linebackers where it

1114
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 6: takes him three or four years to really learn how

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00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 6: to play the position.

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00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 4: I want to know what Mark Mark's questions for me are.

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00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 4: Mark is a is an ultra preparer. He makes well

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00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 4: pages and pages and I know it might not have

1119
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 4: to do what the group we're talking about, but I

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00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: want to hear these questions.

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00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: And also Mina You should know that Mark usually goes

1122
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: with Levi his UH jacket of choice, but he was

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00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: wearing the blazer today, which is kind of out of

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00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: season for him. But I think it connects to you

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00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: and the level of steam that you bring.

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00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 3: That's not untrue.

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00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: But we are also leaving on Sunday for Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 2: and so I'm just wearing I have to think I

1129
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: have to wear this in Austin.

1130
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to drive home. And that's the move.

1131
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 6: You're going to drive home all the way in a blazer?

1132
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: Well, I mean to where I live in Los Angeles,

1133
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah to that home.

1134
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: Sure, I'll do that.

1135
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 5: You want to take it off before the getty in there.

1136
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, like you're it was a decision. I

1137
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: made it, Like, so we have suits to this thing.

1138
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 5: Well that's it.

1139
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not order driving a blazer. Then it's

1140
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 6: all stiff and you.

1141
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: Stick it over the top of the passenger seat and

1142
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: then when you get out of the car you put

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00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: it back on.

1144
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: Do you think we're nominated for Best Sports Podcast? Where

1145
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: the iHeartMedia Awards are going to Austin on Monday for

1146
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: the show. If we don't win, Mina, do you think

1147
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: we should do a like Kanye Taylor Swift? I mean

1148
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: it's bad. It might be you. It's Kelsey Brothers are

1149
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: involved like every other.

1150
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 4: It's hard Kelsey Brothers, it's we are this I think

1151
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 4: probably the least listen to of the group. Pardon my take,

1152
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 4: I think is one of them.

1153
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 6: This is this is really the titans of the industry.

1154
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: We do have the We have pretty privilege, though.

1155
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: We also don't know who's there's no proof for investigative

1156
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: knowledge of who's voting for this. It's not just out

1157
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: there in the public. And that that probably hurts us

1158
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: because it's like.

1159
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 6: You like, you're kind of like the Lions of.

1160
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: Sure that I like that, and we're hoping that if

1161
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: we attend, maybe they're like throw them the bone. Hey,

1162
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: do you have questions? Romina?

1163
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: I want to talk about one team that I think

1164
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: has a lot to do this offseason and with yes,

1165
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 2: we know about the Dolphins, and are Blake Jeff s Reebeck,

1166
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 2: who writes for The Athletic about the Ravens. I want

1167
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: to read this paragraph. The Ravens unrestricted free agent class

1168
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: is set to include their twenty twenty three touchdown leader,

1169
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: their top two backs, their most accomplished wide receiver, they're

1170
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: two starting guards, a Pro Bowl inside linebacker, excuse me,

1171
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: their return specialist two.

1172
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: And there's just a list of so long.

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00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: Two of their three leaders in sacks and the asc

1174
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 2: leader in interceptions. It's like the Ravens typically always find

1175
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: a way, and I just assume they'll plug these pieces

1176
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: in with other players and go, you know, ten and

1177
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: seven again.

1178
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: But that's a laundry list. How do you attack that?

1179
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 6: And it's our you know, with the brain drain and

1180
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 6: coaching too. It's one thing for us to say, well,

1181
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 6: you know they're bringing defensive veterans and they you know,

1182
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 6: Vanda Away has a career Clowney has a career year.

1183
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 6: But you lose not only Mike McDonald but also Anthony

1184
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 6: Weavers now the defensive coordinator for Miami. You know, they

1185
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 6: promoted internally, but there's still some change there that make

1186
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 6: things hard. I was just pulling up their cab because

1187
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 6: I wanted to see what they could do from like,

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00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 6: you know who, they can already restructure. I think Ronnie

1189
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 6: Stanley has a pretty big contract because they tag them

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00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 6: that a weekend, and I think that They're going to

1191
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 6: try to get something done with him. It seems like

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00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 6: I haven't really heard his name come up in trade requests,

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00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 6: and in doing so, they might be able to create

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00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 6: some flexibility there. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, you can restructure

1195
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 6: some of these lamar. Anyways, I think though, that the

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00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 6: bigger thing, more than the defense to me is the guards.

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00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 6: Simpson is because this offensive line has sort of like

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00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 6: kind of flown under the raider. What a strength that

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Speaker 6: they've been for this team, particularly in the run game,

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Speaker 6: and I feel like you got to at least bring

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Speaker 6: one of them back.

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Speaker 4: Right Both their starting guards are available, and John Simpson

1203
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: is a guy that, if I heard from people, that

1204
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 4: is going to get paid. Kevin Zeitler is one of

1205
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 4: sneaky all time bag getter. I think he's gonna hit

1206
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 4: his fourth good free agent contract, which is or fourth

1207
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: good contract in the NFL, which is almost impossible.

1208
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 5: Got a little bit for Lefel players.

1209
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 4: They they could have a surprising cutter two here before Monday.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who it would be or else it

1211
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprising. I guess Marlon Humphrey would would be

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00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 4: one that, like.

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Speaker 6: I'm playing with the spow Trek tool right now. If

1214
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 6: you guys ever used this to where you restructure the contract,

1215
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 6: it's so satisfying.

1216
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: WHOA really? I mean, I use pow track all the time.

1217
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: I'd only like it like that.

1218
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 4: Ronnie Stanley could be another surprise cut. Something could happen there.

1219
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Speaker 4: Let's wrap up one last position. We'll get you out

1220
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 4: of there. Cornerback, it is hard to get a cornerback

1221
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 4: and free agency. A couple are off the board already.

1222
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 4: Kendall Fuller is sort of my number one by default.

1223
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 4: He's a good player, but he's twenty nine, and he's

1224
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 4: probably better in the slot than outside, so it's not

1225
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 4: like a number one corner. Stefan Gilmour is a good

1226
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 4: example of what I was talking about before, where like

1227
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 4: the best values in free agency are these short term deals.

1228
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 4: He's still well, but he's thirty three. Kennymore, Chadobi, a

1229
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 4: woozier who coming off a bad year, Steven Nelson, Christian Fulton,

1230
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 4: who I'm not going to give up on, who I

1231
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 4: just think has some good ball in him, Adorri Jackson,

1232
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 4: Kashawn Nixon, who's an all Pro returner, a Kella Witherspoon

1233
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 4: in Tradevious White coming off of injuries.

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Speaker 5: It's not a good list.

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Speaker 6: This is the worst group. Looking at your list, Oh

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00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 6: my god, looking at I mean, I think Gilmore's the

1237
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 6: best player, but you know you can play obviously man coverage.

1238
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 6: You don't want to sign him to like a multi

1239
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 6: year deal though, probably so your hope is that he's

1240
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 6: going to ring Chase and maybe. I mean seeing this list,

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00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 6: my only talk takeaway is the Chief should probably trade

1242
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 6: l Jerious Need because some team is going to give

1243
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 6: up some ridiculous for him because he's so much better

1244
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 6: than most of these players.

1245
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 5: They and they will, I think they will.

1246
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 4: It seems like they are certain like that they're just

1247
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 4: allotting for Chris Jones to get resigned and then them

1248
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 4: to trade. But just corn if everywhere, if all cornerbacks

1249
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: are bad, then they're not all and then like guys

1250
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: like Steven Nelson are actually good because they're just like

1251
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 4: not the worst thing ever in the It's just so

1252
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: hard to find cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: All right, Mina, We're gonna let you go because you

1254
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: got a lot to do. You get any plugs in there?

1255
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 4: You got NFL LA what's with Ron Rivera?

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00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 6: My NFL Live in fifty minutes with Ron Rivera, as

1257
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 6: we discussed check out the latest episode of the Minichime

1258
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 6: Show featuring Lenny, featuring the great Patrick Claiban, who is

1259
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 6: always a delight talking about free Agency. Yeah, you can

1260
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 6: also watch it on YouTube. Thank you so much for

1261
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 6: having you guys.

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00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mina. Remember Mark and I have our Free

1263
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: Agency two thirteen coming out midnight Tuesday. If you need us,

1264
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: let us know. Mina times everybody there, She goes, thanks, Vienna,

1265
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: thank you best that seeing that cornerback route, my god,

1266
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: well let's take a break and when we get back,

1267
00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: we'll wrap things up. It will come back. Yes, you

1268
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: just heard the great Menac Himes and seeing that cornerback

1269
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: group reminded me that it won't be long before Zuzzar

1270
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: will be putting together his graveyards twenty twenty four roster.

1271
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: And it is always the back end of the defense

1272
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: that I feel I most worry about. And I'm I'm

1273
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: feeling like I'm gonna be in a position where I'll

1274
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: have I don't know, Antonio Cramarti in the slot at

1275
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: this point on you once the bones are picked from

1276
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: that group.

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00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: This is an old group. This is an older group

1278
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: of I mean, you know that's how free agency works.

1279
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: Not going to be twenty two.

1280
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: But it just shows you how it's so hard to

1281
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 4: find cornerbacks, Like it just feels like it's like an

1282
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 4: impossible position. I think about it too, when they do

1283
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: the combine. They're the best athletes. I mean you could

1284
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: make an argument for the defensive ends or or the

1285
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 4: tight end like in different ways.

1286
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 5: But I think if it receivers, I think if you're.

1287
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 4: Judging just total athleticism, and it's I think it's the

1288
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 4: hardest position. It's sort of an impossible position. I think

1289
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 4: they are the best at.

1290
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: That's what I played in high school. By the way,

1291
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: there you go under back. You played a little line too,

1292
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: is that running back? But then they then it became

1293
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: we would just take anyone that is of a certain

1294
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: size and stick them at corner.

1295
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 4: You like the corner like some cornerbacks they get they

1296
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 4: you know, stick their nose in it, and other cornerbacks

1297
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: is like, oh, they don't really want to know.

1298
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: I was the cornerback that they would do it all

1299
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: all things under heaven to not put on the fields.

1300
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Speaker 1: I'd love to play a little fly on the wall

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: with the coaching staff of camp happy and is high

1302
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: and just be like, you know hear them, be like

1303
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: with Sessler's athleticism, we got to get them in an

1304
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,479
Speaker 1: impact position, number one corner, shut down half the field.

1305
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: No, they were like, we've got to get them on

1306
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: the ridgefield press beat instead of the actual playing beat

1307
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Speaker 2: as fast as possible.

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00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of Michael Thomas, by the way, we mentioned that

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00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's going to be out there and

1310
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: the Thomas Saints marriage had some really high highs. Second

1311
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: round pick in twenty sixteen, three times Pro Bowl or

1312
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: two time first team All Pro. I mean, this is

1313
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: a guy that once had one hundred and forty nine

1314
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: catches in one season, he got the bag because of it,

1315
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: immediately suffered an ankle injury his first game in the

1316
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: following season, and really ever since that moment has never

1317
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: been the same. A bit of a I don't think

1318
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 1: he qualifies under locker room lawyer, which is always something

1319
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: I love, but I think he does qualify under the

1320
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: column of pain in the ass and also a guy

1321
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: that has opinions. I saw that Jeff Duncan, I think,

1322
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: who had a report out there that the Saints were

1323
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: done with Thomas. Michael Thomas's reply under one of my

1324
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: favorite Twitter handles. Of course, can't guard Mike. I will

1325
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: read this verbatim and understand in terms of lawyers out

1326
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: there somebody looking to sue for libel or slander. This

1327
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: is Michael Thomas, not Zuzzar. Jeff Duncan is a hunt

1328
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: trying to stay relevant, So let's speak on it. The

1329
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: Saints leak information to him to try to ruin players value.

1330
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: But see, I'm not broke, so I can speak on it.

1331
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: He has broke, so he needs clicks. Go look at

1332
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: all his articles that never end up being true now

1333
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: and Thomas's defense. You know there there's a lot of

1334
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: business being done by Beat reporters to get favors and

1335
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: and and saddle up and cozy up with front offices

1336
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: for for work down the line. Now is is he

1337
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure. Is he broke? We

1338
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: don't know Duncan's financial situation.

1339
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 5: So I doubt it.

1340
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 7: I mean, perhaps gainfully broke his strong a little pot

1341
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 7: calling kettle black because I'm not sure the reporting, specifically

1342
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 7: the one about mister Duncan being ah can be probrated

1343
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 7: without triple sourcing it, well.

1344
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? How you feel about it?

1345
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what what he is upset about because

1346
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 4: the article is only for digital subscribers. But the news,

1347
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 4: you know, they gotta make money, shout out to nola

1348
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 4: dot com. But the news was just that that the

1349
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 4: Saints were releasing him, which I gotta admit is a

1350
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 4: is a pretty big fly in the ointment for the

1351
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 4: old top one to one because Michael Thomas has been

1352
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 4: there at one on one this old time and I

1353
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 4: was like, release him. He's a free agent, and apparently

1354
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 4: they had this insane contract where there was sat insane

1355
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 4: contracts and his agent was quoted saying it's a one

1356
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: year deal, always has been. That's one hundred percent how

1357
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 4: its structured, no two ways about it. He's an unrestricted

1358
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 4: free agent like everyone else in March. But apparently he

1359
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 4: had some bogus void year that was like eighty million

1360
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 4: dollars in it and it was just like total fantasy.

1361
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 4: So technically he wasn't a free agent yet and Jeff

1362
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 4: Duncan releasing that. Maybe Michael Thomas thinks like he's putting

1363
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 4: that out there to almost make him look bad that

1364
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 4: they're not releasing him he was always a free agent

1365
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 4: all along. I don't know if there's more to it

1366
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 4: than that, other than he has been, you know, down

1367
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 4: talking Derek Carr's quarterback too for much of it.

1368
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: Was nice of Michael Thomas at the end of that

1369
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: tweet to say, you know, not just he needs clicks,

1370
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: but go read. I believe he said, go read all

1371
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: of his articles and find out if they're true.

1372
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: Like that's actually gonna help.

1373
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: Jeff Duncan say, well, you got to, like if you're

1374
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: a paywall person, otherwise, you know, tough, that's gonna be

1375
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: a tough road.

1376
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 4: He did put out an article and this might be

1377
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 4: what he was upset about about a month ago, where

1378
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 4: he said it's time for them to move on from

1379
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 4: Marshawn Lattimore and Michael Thomas with some sort of vague,

1380
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 4: you know, inside the locker room stuff, and and uh,

1381
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 4: that brings up Latimore, who, by the way, is like

1382
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 4: quietly one of the more interesting stories in the NFL.

1383
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be traded, and yet no

1384
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 4: one is reporting about how he's going to be traded. Uh,

1385
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: and that seems to be more of a Dennis Allen it.

1386
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, people don't want to be called a.

1387
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 5: Marshall.

1388
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 4: Lattimore is totally separate. He hasn't had it too well.

1389
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 4: He hasn't had any major issues other than there has

1390
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 4: been reporting that, you know, him and Dennis Allen don't

1391
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 4: get along, and Dennis kind of like this the Chauncey

1392
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 4: Gardner Johns.

1393
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: Every off season, Dennis Allen has stuff of falling out

1394
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: with a key member of the secondary.

1395
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 4: The difference is Latimore is a top tier cornerback and

1396
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 4: if he truly was available, very intriguing and I would

1397
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: think would should get a high draft pick.

1398
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, absolutely, especially in this market. Haamanahamana. All right,

1399
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: good week of shows, huge week of shows coming up

1400
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: next week. Like we said, we'll be doing beginning of

1401
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: the week in Texas, but we'll be very quickly coming

1402
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: back to LA and doing a mixture of shows from

1403
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: Texas and mostly from here in Los Angeles in the

1404
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: studio starting on Tuesday. So we'll be all over the

1405
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: free agency picture as it unfolds and how your favorite

1406
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: team's fair in what is sometimes an unfair process free

1407
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: agency as a fan, because you get yourself excited and then,

1408
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: like I said, it don't always work out, but the

1409
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: excitement of the signings, you could always spin it in

1410
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: the moment, is a beautiful thing. And then draft season

1411
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: comes and that's hope season, and everybody's staring at a

1412
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: playoff roster at the beginning of June. We're not there yet,

1413
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: but this is the first step toward that.

1414
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's ripe ground for heartbreak, and like only

1415
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: at this point if you're above a certain age in

1416
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: life or station in life, you'd have to be almost

1417
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: an ultra rube to fall for some of these signings,

1418
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: because if you look at the vast majority of them

1419
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: two or three years later, their roadkill.

1420
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 5: They get well, they can help, They can help you

1421
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 5: out as like.

1422
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: Roll play, Mark, You're right, you're a technical lighthouse.

1423
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 4: Some of them, like the top tier, like yes, like

1424
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 4: Siju Zama probably got a little too much pop a

1425
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 4: couple of years ago for well blocking tight end to

1426
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 4: the offense.

1427
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 5: But there's a lot of good role players that you

1428
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 5: pick up.

1429
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: Mark. Let's close the week with something that we touched

1430
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: down on Wednesday Show, I believe, or maybe it was

1431
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: Monday Show. You had an abrupt announcement retiring from Twitter.

1432
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: The nature of the tweets seem to be an attack

1433
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: at the of the analytics community, as I recall, followed

1434
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: by an abrupt I believe the word only pull it up?

1435
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: Is it still alive?

1436
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: I'd rather I we loss over the actual wording. Well,

1437
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 2: it's in the it's in the discord people can go find.

1438
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 5: You couldn't delete it, Oh it's still there.

1439
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I didn't need to delete it. I

1440
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: don't need to read the thing. But the final I

1441
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: just the reason why I'm saying this. Uh, you ended

1442
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: it with this is my last tweet ever and I

1443
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: believe in you. So that was February twenty eighth. That

1444
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: is now March seventh. I don't see another tweet. Is

1445
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: it is need over then?

1446
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like it's a personal thing for me. I

1447
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: think if you go read the guts of the tweet,

1448
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: or at least part of the guts, it's more a

1449
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: little bit about how I feel that sports in general

1450
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: has lost its I'm I think that numbers and analytics

1451
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: are fine. If I could edit it a little, I

1452
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: would have make taken some of that acerbic out of it.

1453
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: But like the like sports writing and everything is just lost.

1454
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: It's like beauty from the old days a little bit.

1455
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: And I know Greg would sayble you then go write

1456
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: a sports article that tries to bring that back.

1457
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 3: But it's like, I just think.

1458
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: That that is definitely not like the general environment has

1459
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: become like so you.

1460
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: Walk some dramatic music underneath this, go ahead.

1461
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: And here's the second part to it. Like I've noticed that,

1462
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm a fifty year old adult that's

1463
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: like gets every week they give you that charge light

1464
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: and that thing on your phone about how many hours

1465
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 2: you spent just sitting on your phone.

1466
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: And it's like when it comes to things like.

1467
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: Twitter, I no longer feel joy when I tweet something

1468
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: where I just sit around and find out who likes

1469
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: it and who responds to it for the vast majority

1470
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: of those tweets, to the point where I'm like, I'm

1471
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: kind of just post it in my life. Other people

1472
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: enjoy it, use it, have fun, people can find community

1473
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: on it. I'm not saying everyone should follow me or

1474
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: anyone should, but I myself am a post like sitting

1475
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 2: around looking at likes. I want to carve that out

1476
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: of my life and it's gone.

1477
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 4: I think I'm excited about this as Mark's friend. We

1478
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 4: have been on the end of many a text in

1479
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 4: the last ten years, furious about what other people are tweeting.

1480
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 5: So it seemed like it was an unhealthy thing. Not

1481
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 5: even so much whatever you wrote, but or when I

1482
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 5: was tweeting was, but more like what you were reading

1483
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 5: from other people.

1484
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 4: So if that is going to make your life healthier,

1485
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,480
Speaker 4: h and be out in the world more. Yeah, interacting

1486
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 4: with the actual world, I think that's a good thing.

1487
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 5: I like Twitter.

1488
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: But you know, yes, I agree with everything everyone said. Mark.

1489
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 3: We don't have to agree with me.

1490
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, this is your journey right right, and

1491
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: it's just simply like it's a personal decision.

1492
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 3: Could I have maybe crafted a more graceful I.

1493
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 4: Just hope you're not it still reading all the tweets

1494
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 4: that annoy you.

1495
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: No, only I would only go on if there was

1496
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: like some something I had to link into that I'd been.

1497
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 3: Told is for the show or something like that.

1498
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, well, good luck on this journey, thank you,

1499
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: and I believe in you. What did you write?

1500
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 2: You wrote, Well, it's I ended with a puzz note

1501
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 2: like I could have if there were an edit button,

1502
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 2: which people have always asked for, Like I would have

1503
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: probably made a few changes there, but I'm not going

1504
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: to go delete it.

1505
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 4: Five minutes later they did. They did add an edit button,

1506
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 4: but you have to pay for it. I'm not doing

1507
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 4: and then everyone can read your edits. Here's the thing

1508
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 4: that's if you can read the edit, yeah, it actually

1509
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 4: makes it work. You look and then you just check

1510
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 4: what the edit is and it's just stupid.

1511
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: I this morning retweeted a post from Adrian Grenier, or

1512
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: the actor from Entourage. Nice, and I think people should

1513
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: This is a good way. This might be a good

1514
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: way to go out of here. This exactly with the photo,

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Speaker 1: so it's a picture of the guy from Entourage. Haven't

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Speaker 1: been posting because I've been too present distracted by the moment. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: but thank you. That's kind of what you're getting at

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Speaker 1: in a way. I don't know, like that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: go full Grenier is all I'm saying, Like, do a

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Speaker 1: goodbye post where you say that that's that would be.

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Speaker 4: My Also, you'll miss out on opportunities to do things

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Speaker 4: like we can retweet. Our friend John Gonzalez just launch

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Speaker 4: his own daily basketball.

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Speaker 1: Podcast transition, so but he can't do that.

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Speaker 5: To check that out. Yeah, I'm doing it now that

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Speaker 5: I see it in my feet, I'm going to do

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Speaker 5: that right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to do it myself.

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Speaker 2: I could invite back to your the soccer owner friend

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Speaker 2: that you have like and he probably thinks I'm not thankful,

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Speaker 2: but I am.

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Speaker 3: If he were to dig this.

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Speaker 1: He's a listener. As I said, Chill, I think he

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Speaker 1: would understand that he's aware that you actually can't reply

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Speaker 1: right per ethics off the hook with him. Yes, all right,

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Speaker 1: thank you everybody. I hope that clarifies everyone, though, who's

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Speaker 1: wondering about that tweet? All right? Till Monday, in the

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Speaker 1: beginning of free agency, here we go. He a call