1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: We like to welcome everyone to another episode of Against 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: the Chronicles. I am Big Still and James McDonald. Today 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: we have a very very special guest. We have VJ. Brett, 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: a kid Goes who spend time in every prison from 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Lon Park to Terminal Island. Goes did a total of 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: seventeen secretive calendars in the system. How are you doing today, Birth, 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing I do on Man. You know what, any 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: day above ground is always a good day, like I 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: was just talking about, Man, So Um, you had something, 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: Man that was very interesting to me. Man, you know, 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: we had long conversation last week and I love your 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: spirit and everything. But explain this to me. Man, Man, 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: that is my history right there. You know I used 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: that right there, So um, these youngsters can see that, 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: Um that this this is real and um in the 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: choices and decisions that you make. Instead of that being 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: a college, I D, that's a penitentiary, I D right there, 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: and um that's my prison. I D card Um. I'm 19 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: not known as my first name on my last name. 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm known as nine two eight five seven dash old 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: one too and U. I use that so I never 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: forget where I've been. Wow, that's real. That's that's that's real. 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: Talk's real, that's real. Yeah, it's real. Man. I knew 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people like the glorified man, that whole experience, 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: and unfortunately we got way too much of that right now. Man, 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's become like you know, that's become almost 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: like a writer of plastic job. I've even heard kids say, 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, I can't wait till I go to the 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: pin when he was young, you know, and it's crazy, man, Yeah, 30 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: you know that's um, that's my fault. That's my fault 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: right there, because that's how it was glorified, you know, 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: for you know, growing up in the streets as the 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: passive manhood, you know, catching that case, you know, going 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: to juvenile getting out, you know, being known as a rider. 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. And so I'm desensitizing. I'm 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: desensitizing the judicial system for my nephews, for your nephews, 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: for your sons. That's I'm desensitizing that right there. So 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like it was desensitized for me, you know, 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: going getting the rest. It was a badge of honor. 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: And but like I said before, you know, the homies 41 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: don't tell you or didn't tell me the ugly side 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: of that lifestyle you know of um, incomprehensible demoralization. And 43 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: when I say that, that means when you go to jail, 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: the first thing you do is they're gonna strip search you. 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: You know, body cavities, parts of my body. I ain't 46 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: never seen what I'm saying. And I gotta show that 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: to another person, another man before I hit it, before 48 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: I hit that block. So when I say that's that was, um, 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: part of my fault is now it's my duty and 50 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: my responsibility to desensitive eyes, my nephews, your nephews, your sons, 51 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: their sons, that that penitentiary, Um, that should have never happened. 52 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: That should have never happened. Well, I mean I always 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: say if I know what I knew now, and I 54 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't have did what I did. You feel the same way, UM, 55 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: Yes and no. And when I say yes and no, Um, James, 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: is that UM, I was strong enough to handle that, 57 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, And I wouldn't change nothing because if that 58 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: didn't happen, I wouldn't be sitting with both of y'all 59 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: right now, you feel me right right? Well, I'm trying 60 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: to reach out to all these these young cats out 61 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: here that I think game banking is the way. UH 62 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: think they don't have another choice. Uh believe that all 63 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: the homies are the homies. Um, I'm I've been shaying, 64 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: it ain't that way. It ain't like that the homies 65 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: can change them. And you're in a second, who's gonna 66 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: be there for you when you go to prison? Which 67 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I didn't have. None of my homies gared me in prison. 68 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: I had a woman and a mother that you're garing me. Um. 69 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to show them as well as my 70 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: nephews that you don't want to live the life that 71 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: I lived. I mean, and then you out there, you 72 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: you you're spreading your word and teaching these kids pretty 73 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: much the same thing. I mean. Do you feel like 74 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: you're reaching them? I am, Um, I feel like I 75 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: do reach them, especially um when I touched down, Um, 76 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's one thing I got to change. 77 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: There's only one thing I got to change my whole life, 78 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: and that's that was everything. You know. So I used 79 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: my past as my greatest asset because when I go 80 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: to these high schools, it's a school, and um, it's 81 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: a probation school it's called Can I say, I can 82 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: say the name. It's called hell Crests Academies and the 83 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: Probation Schools Continuation in Inglewood and so um when I 84 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: pop up there, man, Um the principal, all that artwork 85 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: you saw, I started that for these kids. Um, the 86 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: principal saw. It's funny. Um, I'm at the bus stop. 87 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,559 Speaker 1: On me. I'm at the bus stop. I'm crow Shan. 88 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm crow Shan. You know, you know when you're in 89 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: the pan and stuff like that. You know, I'm gonna 90 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: keep one hunting when you're in the pan for me 91 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: to keep baby coming, you know, keep it running. You know, 92 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Grandma tossed the trade back in the day. I took 93 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: it up, you know. So I'm in the pan, homie. 94 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: You know, I'm just crocheting Teddy Bears blankets and stuff 95 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: like that. And I'll shoot it out, you know, to 96 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: the females so they can look look what God sent me, 97 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And keep them coming, keep 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: them coming. So here I am, you know, um, twirling 99 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: verides and wireless signs and do what I'm doing at work. 100 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: You know, I'm at the bus stop. I mean, I'm 101 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: just croche and reporter from l A sitting up and 102 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: looked at me. Now, remember when I got to pen 103 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: I was two hundred pounds with long braids in my hair, 104 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: you know I was. I was heavier. He did and 105 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: and it just shocked the hell out of her. And 106 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 1: she pulled up and said, um, what are you doing? 107 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: And I said, um, I'm crocheting. So I teach kids 108 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: at this at school program. See now, if I was 109 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: if I didn't walk the path that I walked, I 110 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't have got the attention of these youngsters who are 111 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: following my footsteps. So by me doing that and being 112 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: where I was in the penitentiary and at that bus stop, 113 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: I got a chance to talk to these kids because 114 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, of of um, of how it was, you 115 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So I'm telling them like, how 116 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: would you you know, like I'm seventeen, I said, he 117 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: wasn't even born when I went to the penitentiary. I 118 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: did seventeen years? Really Like, yeah, what was it? Like? 119 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: It horrible? Horrible? You know what you mean? Horrible? You 120 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: smoke budding there, I said, smoke bud drank. I said, 121 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: But that's that's the easy part. I said that the 122 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: horrid part is doing a seventeen year bit in a 123 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: violent environment where there is no running away, there is 124 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: no um, there is no I'm not I'm not a 125 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: part of that. Yes, you are a part of everything 126 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: that goes on in here. And I would teach these 127 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: kids some stuff which is called like basically a CBT. 128 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing at the time, 129 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: but I'm using cognitive behavioral therapy tools which I knew 130 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 1: nothing about at the time. You see what I'm saying. 131 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: So I'm teaching them how to crochet and and these 132 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: younsters man, you know pants saging, you know doing I said, 133 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: you come in my you come in this after school program. Um. 134 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: There was a mayor named Mayor Dorn. You've heard of 135 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: mayor doing in in in Inglewood. That dude gave me 136 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,559 Speaker 1: accommodation of of appreciation from the Inglewood Unified School District 137 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: in the city of Inglewood because I started out with 138 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: these youngsters and these kids are crow shame. We started 139 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: out making knots at first, right like loops, and they 140 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: will call me eight a ghost ghost, Mr ghosts. I'm like, 141 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: what's up. I'm like, yeah, um under it, like do 142 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: it better. Your your knots are not perfect. You did 143 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, man, for real, this right here. What 144 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: happened was, um, it starts to grow. It's the APT 145 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: school program started to grow with boys and the girls, 146 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: the little, the little hard headed, little knuckleheads. Well, um, 147 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: for my little my little Verizon wireless money, I would 148 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: go to the store and buy balls or yarn. You 149 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: did what I'm saying, and I'll just donate. So these 150 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: kids were taking them home and they're like, a, um, 151 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: A ghost is my nots right. I'm like, yeah, teach 152 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: him it. Ghost is my notts? Right? Yeah, teach them. 153 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: So I broke them off in groups of four and 154 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: gave them patterns how to make blankets and Teddy bears 155 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And and then I used the 156 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: past as my greatest asset. So therefore I would talk 157 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: about life, what kind of life you want to live? 158 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: Use the same thing that you were doing, calling my name? 159 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: Are my notts right? Are my stitches right? I told 160 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: these youngsters in this probation school, use the same principle 161 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: in your math class, your history class, your English class. 162 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: If you don't understand it, raise your hand to ask 163 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: your teacher and all of a sudden, Man, it's just 164 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: it's just blew up. Man. We have like fifty two kids, 165 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: and and I would tell them, you know, this is 166 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: this is part of the life, you know, of how 167 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna make your stitches. So I'll use that metaphorically, 168 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: you know. So that was my beginning right there. So 169 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: so did you know you was gonna be into that 170 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: in the penitential? Man? For real? For real, I'm gonna 171 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: keep you wandling. Um, I was gonna take this game 172 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: to the year two thousand, because that's all I knew. 173 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: I ain't never had a job before, you know. Um, 174 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: And you know, and I'm gonna keep I'm like, I'm 175 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: gonna keep a gangster. I'm not gonna turn religious. I'm not. 176 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: That wasn't my thing, you know what I'm saying. Um, 177 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: I had zero clue what I was gonna do when 178 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: I touched down, when I touched these tin toes down 179 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: at zero clue, Man, you know the funny part. But 180 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: it man, we see you now, man, how you are 181 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: which you evolved into being. Let's go back to the beginning. Man, 182 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: how did you get there? What happened? Like? How did 183 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: you wind up in the system. Man, Um, I blamed. 184 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: I blamed God for one. I blame not having the 185 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: father there. Um, I blame living in the projects. I'm 186 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 1: looking for acceptance and all the wrong places. Remember the 187 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: song looking for Love and all the wrong places. Well, 188 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: well that was me, you feel me? That was me. 189 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: I um, you know, I gave my life, my will 190 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: to the care of my my neighborhood. You know, they 191 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: accepted me. I had companionship, acceptance and understanding, you know, 192 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: because that's what we all. I'm gonna say me, that's 193 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: what I was seeking. Acceptance, companionship, and understanding. So I 194 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: never liked my name, you know, my first name. So 195 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: the homies, my bigger homie, he was eighteen years old. 196 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: He started calling me Casper the ghosts because of my 197 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: light skin. So I took that persona on for the 198 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: rest of my you know, for the rest of my days. 199 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: He taught me a trade back in night two and 200 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: you can sell this and make this. Remember at the 201 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: time I was mowing lines and ship like that, collecting cans. 202 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: I mean I started doing that. Man eight four, I 203 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: bought me a six night in parlor parked on the 204 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: other side of the projects. I had front back on it. 205 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: That was all we had. With the changed with the 206 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: change there will, I didn't have no permit, and um 207 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: I took off man and and it started going and 208 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: started going, you know, catching little cases of possession of salves, 209 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: cases going to LP you know, all the little juvenile 210 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: East Lake and all that spot, all the all them 211 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and getting out of there being viewed 212 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: as a hero, you know, a rider, you know, ghost 213 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: as a rider. And then I, um, um, it was 214 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: too much competition in l A, and so I took 215 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: that work out of town. And UM kind of blew 216 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: up like a man smoking at the gas station and 217 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: knew nothing else. And that's what I that's what I did. 218 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: So Um February six, I gave my um my homeboys. UM, 219 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: I gave him three of them, three bricks, gave him 220 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: three birds. Um they got arrested. They didn't take my direction. 221 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: They got arrested by the fair and UM told them 222 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: but that I gave it to him on February six, 223 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: nineteen nine. And I make a long story short, Uh 224 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: I played guilty to a twenty year prison cents from 225 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one twenty two, twenty three twenty four, twenty five, six, 226 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: twenty nine, thirty thirty one, thirty two, thirty three, four, 227 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty six. So basically, I spent half of 228 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: my life in the unnatural, violent but necessary environment, and 229 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: so um being angry as hell um because it goes 230 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: back to I'm not good enough. I was, I shouldn't 231 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: have been here. Um, all all these deeply ingrained negative 232 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: feelings and thoughts. So I'm all of my dude James 233 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: keeping gangster us all I know. Yeah, seventeen years, you've 234 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: got to I mean, you gotta surviving there, and you can. 235 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: You ain't gonna surviving there being quiet and sitting on 236 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: your bums. Um. That's what these kids today think going 237 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: to jail because they see a lot of cats coming home. 238 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: It's a lot of ship that you gotta do it 239 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: you have to do in prison. Yes, you know what 240 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yes, and and and that's learning how to survive. 241 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You ain't going in there 242 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: begging and asking for handouts and can't pay them back. 243 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: You had your hat brother t if you don't pay 244 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: it back. So you know, it ain't no kids in prison, 245 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: it's some cats in prison, that's been in their little 246 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: motherfucking time. And like, boys, these little cats are, ain't 247 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: nobody gonna sunk me. Ain't nobody, boy, please, I didn't 248 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: see the best of the best. Get too. It's happened. 249 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm just happening, you know, Like um, like the homies, 250 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: you know when you run them with the car, you know, Um, 251 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: I ran with a particular car, you know, And that 252 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: was a no no. You know, if one of the 253 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: homies you know, funk with the boys, he getting rolled up, 254 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: you did what I'm saying. But some homies did do it, 255 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So we kind of blackballed them. 256 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: That's that was kind of the get down right there, 257 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: you know. Um, it was kind of like a different generation. 258 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: And um, and some of these um cats is unaffiliated, man, 259 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: especially like a lot of these junks is that I 260 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: see walking around the day. It's like you unaffiliated. You 261 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: were crash dum me you're gonna be a girl. They're 262 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: gonna be girls, man, And ain't nothing you could do 263 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: to save them because um, you know, like like some 264 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: of the cats that's been um that you know, the 265 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: homies don't funk with you did what I'm saying, because 266 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, we ride, and this is what we do, 267 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, we that's what we do. Right. Um, these 268 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: unctions hitting that line getting off that bus, if they 269 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: are unaffiliated, um, you know they are out there hustling 270 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: for tennis shoe money, you know, um and and getting ship. 271 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: So when they hit that line on me, it's like, Uh, 272 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: one of the homies pushed up on him. What you need, 273 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: here you go, here you go, here goes some zoos 274 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: was way Williams, here you go, um, put him in, 275 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: put him in my cell and uh and you nothing 276 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: you could do about that, you know, and you won't 277 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: you here on your own, you know, So you're gonna ride. Um. 278 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: And most of a lot of these youngsters nowadays thinking, um, 279 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: what kills me is test my gangster. That's what killed 280 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: because it's gonna get tested. It's gonna get tested, you know. 281 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, I remember when Um, I remember I had 282 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: the line one of the homies, Um, he was he's 283 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: old bully, He's he's old bully. You know. He wanted 284 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: to you know, he was with the car and everything, 285 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I'm soft spoken, I'm kind of quiet, 286 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, and he was talking that talking to that bullshit. 287 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: You did what I'm saying, high yellow nigga, you know 288 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, pretty motherfucker. And I used to box 289 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: for Archie Moore and I got hands you know, and 290 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: the home is kind of bigger and ship like that. 291 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: But size don't mean nothing, you know. Take four pounds 292 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: of pressure knock him other funk out. And then we 293 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: was in the day room and um, he was on 294 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: one and and he's focused on me because I ain't. 295 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: I ain't no big motherfucker, you know, And call me 296 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: a bit, call me a bit in the day room 297 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: for all the homies. I gotta I gotta strike. You 298 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: ain't got I gotta strike, you know. So Um he cleared, 299 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, watch for the CEO cleared and everything. Clear 300 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: that ship up and clear the day room. And we 301 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, came from the shoulders. And as soon as 302 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: he put him up, I said, I'm gonnaknock this motherfucker out. 303 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: As soon as he put them hands up, I said, oh, 304 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: I got him. I got him, and I got to 305 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: I got this bike mark on my arm right here. 306 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: I show you this bit me, you know. So no, no, 307 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: he couldn't get close to me. Because I kept putting 308 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: my south Paul having frustrated. Yeah, so, um, the Homies 309 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: like it's done and all that, and um, um if 310 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: I don't stand up now, um it's over. You did 311 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And um, so he put um once 312 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: we locked, you know, I said this, he don't. He 313 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: don't want to get down. He's he's he want to wrestle. 314 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: So it's like the Homies like, ain't no wrestling. We 315 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: come from the shoulders. And after it was over, Um, 316 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: it was nothing wrong with me, you know what I'm saying. 317 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: His mouth busted, no, busted, and he breathed hard and 318 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: we shook hands. So we shook hands. He grabbed me 319 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: and pulled me and bit me my arm right here. 320 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: So I got to mark on my arm right here. Yeah, 321 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: did you hit him again? I hit him again. I 322 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: hit him with him plastic chairs and and he had 323 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: to go. He went to the whole, got out of 324 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: the whole about about thirty three days later and was 325 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: like number of respect. Yeah, you gotta have it, enough 326 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: time to think about it. Yeah yeah, So, um, it's 327 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: two things happen. If somebody else, James, you know what's 328 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm about to stabbed this cat up. Worry 329 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: about one of these cats telling on me, because if 330 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: my home boys I grew up told on me for 331 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: three birds. If I stabbed this cat up in his dayroom, 332 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: that was him. They don't you know. So, Um, that's 333 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: some of the ship you gotta deal with. Chevin ten 334 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: can turn into light, yes, sir, he can. Two years 335 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: can turn into light. Yeah, and I'm gonna keep on 336 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: with you. I was scared because I know that's the 337 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: next level. Yeah, you know, I was like, man, you 338 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: know that's the next level on it's um is he gonna' 339 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: I gotta stabbed the homie. He's gonna stab me. It's 340 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: known to happen. Yeah, we had a big homie of Mars. 341 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: The Jailer's used to bring all the homies that come 342 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: came in there and put him in his sell He 343 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: would want them in there and and he would rape them. 344 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: There's a lot of cats that's just walking the street 345 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: right now in the day been raped by by Smiley. 346 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Smiley Robinson and uh he 347 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: in the newspaper the Old Night and he proudly this ship. 348 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: He probably this ship he's and every time when of 349 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: the homies come in, he said, I'm getting some pussy 350 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: and in these in these cats. I just want these 351 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: little kids to understand. Like I tell my nephews, you know, 352 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: back in the days, if y'all were trying to hang 353 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: out and kick it like this, your motherfucker's wouldn't have 354 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: made it. You know what I'm saying. I got nephews 355 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: want to be g Q kind of like just cool 356 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: and red hair. Uh, nine jippers on their pains. Come 357 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: on that gang banging ship. Don't that ain't gang banging? 358 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You can't. You can't hold 359 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: two different identities. You gotta be either one way or 360 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: the other. You gotta be all the way in the car. 361 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: But doing seventeen years in prison, I mean that that 362 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: takes a toll on the mind, like spiritually, spiritually, UM, 363 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, I know I've been there. 364 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: I know I've been there because certainly my certain habits 365 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: you know sometimes um, sometimes they come out, you know, um, um, 366 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 1: but especially after like I've never been there. You think 367 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I know I've been there because, 368 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: like I said, some of my habits, they come out. Um, 369 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: you know, going um, getting the rest of going to 370 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: M d C. And uh in n You know you 371 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: hear all. You know, everybody wanted to be the street king. 372 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to be the street king. You know. I 373 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: know I did when I was a youngster. You know 374 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: because I'm hearing stories. I'm hearing these stories. You know, 375 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. Is what we're gonna do. 376 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: That's why I got into the game, you know, because 377 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: I wanted that acceptance, that companionship and understanding. You think 378 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's why I joined. Um, I got 379 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: put on my hood, you know, because I wanted acceptance, 380 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: companionship and understanding. You feel me. Um, So I was accepted, 381 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: I had companionship and had an understanding. But when I 382 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: when I took that fall, you know, all that ship 383 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: came down, you know, because I was out there getting it. 384 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: I was getting it, you know, Um, the flashy ship 385 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: that wasn't That wasn't me. You know, my wealth is 386 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: hitting basically, you know what I'm saying. And um, and 387 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: one day it was all gone. One day it was 388 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: all gone. So I'm sitting up in the cell, man 389 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: with it, and they put this little short dude in 390 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: my cell. You know, I'm an m d C. I 391 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: was on six South and um they put this little 392 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: short duty to myself, and um so I know I 393 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: got the zoos with wam wham. So I go up 394 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: in there and they're like, man, you gotta sell it. 395 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, you know, okay, not a problem, you know. 396 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: Um So I go up in there. I'm like, what's up? 397 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: I men, I'm Gohost. He was like, I'm Rick. It's 398 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: nice to meet you, Rick, you know, and it was 399 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: free way Rick, you know, and that's my homie today, 400 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so, um well we'll be up in 401 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: the selle man and we sit back talking and you know, 402 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: and and you've only I've only I've only heard stories 403 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: about Freeway Ricky Ross, you know, you know the story 404 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: that you get the street lord. You see what I'm saying. 405 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 1: He's sleeping on the top bump and the weed, you know, 406 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: lays potato chips and and the homies like this is 407 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: not it? Because he called me by my first name, 408 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: like like wand this ain't it. And he's like, man, 409 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: read this to me. I'm like, what's that he's like 410 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: my core papers. I'm like, you can't read, like I 411 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: have a little trouble reading. And so I read all 412 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: this ship to him, you know, and we stayed in 413 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: that sale man lockdown and we'll talk and he was like, 414 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: this is not the life, you know, not the life 415 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: you answer, and um, yeah, Rick is a real good 416 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: friend of mine. He coming to my house and you 417 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: know we've been through the trenches together, you know. Yeah, 418 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: yeah he's out right now. I talked to Rick and 419 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: not too long ago. I'll tell some more about him. 420 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: But um, you know it's me um. And then um, 421 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: he we got sentenced in January three, Yeah, he got sentenced. 422 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: It was me, um, Harry Yo. You know, um, everybody 423 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: heard about these people, but you know, I really don't know. Now, 424 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: want a bit, you know, when we're in the trenches, 425 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, man, that dude, that dude, Mike Man, 426 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: he's a solid cat. He was like, he was like, smooth, 427 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm in turmoil. You did what I'm saying. I'm in turmol. 428 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: You know. I was nowhere close to to Rick or 429 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: Mike or Tommy or any Mario. I wasn't a bowl, 430 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: you know, I was nowhere close to them. You know. Um, 431 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: I learned acceptance from these cats. You know Bo Bennett, 432 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: you know water That's what they called Waterhead and that 433 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: when we us play ping pong, and you know the 434 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 1: Cunningham brothers. I'm in contact with all these people today 435 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: because the things I've accomplished. They knew thee Shalte Man. 436 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: The cats were solid, but I saw serenity in these cats. 437 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm a youngster, I'm the younger, I probably the youngest 438 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: one in there. But um, I would sit back and 439 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: watch these cats. You know, before I knew whom Harry 440 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: or Mike was, I didn't know who he was. You know, 441 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: I thought was another brother that was you know, stranged up. 442 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: You know. They was like, man, that's um, that's that's 443 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: Harry O. I'm like, that's sucking HARRYO. Like yeah, it 444 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: was all calm, you know, it was. It was just 445 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: they had some kind of serenity inside of him. So 446 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: I was sitting back talking to him and um. After 447 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: we got sentenced on January three, Mike was wearing a 448 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: cream colored suit, sitting back reading his core papers with 449 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: suspenders on, with his little round glasses, with his legs 450 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: crossed and I came back down and Um, I came 451 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: back down and he's had how much time to give you? 452 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: I said, Mike, they gave me a dub. They gave 453 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: me twenty. I said, how much they give you? And 454 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: he said, um, they gave me life. And I looked 455 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: at him sitting back in his cream color suit with 456 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: a suspender zone with his glass zon and he's sitting 457 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: back with his legs crossed, going over, going over his paperwork. 458 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: And I looked at him. I said, did you just 459 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: say life? He's like, yeah, you know, they just gave 460 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: me life. I said, they gave me twenty. And he 461 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: was like, should you be you'd be at by the 462 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: time your foldy. You ain't supposed to tell me that 463 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: you think what I'm saying? So, Um, you know Tommy 464 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: came down with life. Who's out now? He got out? Um? Rick, Um, 465 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: I'm in contact with you know, Bowl? Um not in 466 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: contact of Bowl. I heard he's home now. But um, 467 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: but these cats I learned surrender. If it wasn't was late, man, 468 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: they was. They were stretched out, you know, they were 469 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: stretched out. But you would never know, you wouldn't you 470 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: would you would never know? Um? So um, I took. 471 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: I took what I learned, what I saw from because 472 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: they're they're unofficially being my mentors. Me and Rick, you know, 473 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: we we talked a lot, you know. Um. But but 474 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: Mike and all of them, you know, um, um, once 475 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: I found out who he was, I wasn't swinging, you know, 476 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't he Mike, Mike, you know like good morning, 477 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, like good morning. You don't have a seat 478 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: like yeah, talking ship like that, you know, And how 479 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: was you? He would asked me about my family? You know, 480 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: how's your family? Like they gonna you know, they're gonna 481 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: be all right. That's how about your families? You know, 482 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: this conversation. But they were my unofficial mentors, you know, 483 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: and acceptance. You have to accept the ugly side of 484 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: the game. And I couldn't well most and most of 485 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: them came out here. Most of them came and seventeen. 486 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: I hadn't seen to break a lot of cash down life. 487 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of cats come to that 488 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: County jail with life in turn up. They sail just 489 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: just in disbelieve. Um, you ain't got nothing a looking 490 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: for it once you get life. But the way you're 491 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: saying how they was they accepted it and fucking this 492 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: push let's do this. Knew we had knew they had 493 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: to do that time and you know most a month. Yeah, yeah, 494 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people was a lot of people's hot 495 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: you know. Um there were some people that was on 496 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: our floor that got moved off the floor, you know, 497 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: because they were like they I guess they rethought it 498 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: like you know, um it was him, you know, so 499 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: they moved, they moved off our floor. But but all 500 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: of us, um, you know, um, we we took it. 501 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: I learned acceptance from them. Another thing too on me 502 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 1: is when you hit that line, is that, um, this 503 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: is that gangster ship you know, um you know, um 504 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: we I'm gonna say me, I believed I was a 505 00:29:54,560 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: gangster because a young gangster you know, Um I was, 506 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: I was acting. Uh, this is this is what I know. 507 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: You know, Um, if you ask me my you know, 508 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: was I gangster? I had gangster ways because I watched 509 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: the I watch you you know, I watch you you know, 510 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: I watch watch my uncles. You know, I watched watched 511 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: all of them. But it's just acceptance, companionship man. And 512 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: but again when I did hit the line, the first 513 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: thing they want to see is that pre sentence report? 514 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: Is there a five K one? You know, was there 515 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: substantial assistance? You know? And you know I like say 516 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't. On the yard right now like a homie. 517 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: He goes, um bringing that paperwork, you know, bring the 518 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: paperwork up to the day room. Alright, but he going on. 519 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: You know, you guys will flip through my ship. You know, 520 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: you go straight to the that's if you spoke on 521 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: anybody else. Yeah, so they'll go to your please agreement. 522 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: I played guilty, right, you know there was no there 523 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: was nothing. You know, Um play guilty to a twenty 524 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: year prison sentence. He's good. You know. It's like we 525 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: need you to bring a song. So bring your paperwork 526 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: up to day room. Why because we asked, We told you, 527 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: We told you to. If you don't bring that presentence 528 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: report to the day room, um, you're gonna get carried 529 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: out or we're gonna let you check in, and then 530 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: the word gonna spread. You know what I'm saying. The 531 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: word's gonna spread. You're gonna be treated like a bit 532 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: to what your whole bit you did. What I'm saying, 533 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: so presentence report and then you know the bureau prisons 534 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: changed all that. They wouldn't let you have it no 535 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: more because like ten years later, motherfucker's getting rolled up, 536 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: getting the head caved in because song So told them 537 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: song So, and we know you're coming, you know, um 538 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,239 Speaker 1: So that right, there was a lot of stuff, you know, 539 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: you know well that that's pretty much jail. How ship, 540 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean, just because you're in jail. To me, you 541 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: ain't got no rules, and and just knowing that that's home, man, 542 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: motherfucker's they handle business like it's home. You know what 543 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's it's it's home away from home for 544 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: the time, Ben. But the way guys got down in prison, 545 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: it's totally different how cats interact out here, you know 546 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, just like you said, ain't no running, 547 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: They no hiding, you know, hiding. So to be amongst 548 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: us in this right here on this yard, we can 549 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: bring that ship out here that she was. She was cracking. 550 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: So we ain't got no funny business in there, no 551 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: funny niggers in there. We know we all ride us exactly. 552 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you one hunter though, when you 553 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: go back in that cell, when it's getting rich, like 554 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: these scars on my hand right here, that's from the 555 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: racial ride, you know, as from like I said, if 556 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: you were blood or a crip and you're from California 557 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: and you ride because we're gonna ride against so and so, 558 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: so and so, you know, and ain't no, um I 559 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: gotta visit coming. No, ain't none of that. Um My 560 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: mama coming, No, she ain't coming. You're gonna be on 561 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: the front line. You You're gonna be on the yard. 562 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, um, it's we had 563 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: ride and she was burning up. It was in Phoenix 564 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: and it went down, you know, Um, it went down 565 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: and it was wild. So a building called on fire 566 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: and the homies were inside the building. Man and um 567 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: and this right here we are busting them windows and 568 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: thick as bulletproof glass windows, taking them. Had to get 569 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: them out because the c os left. They locked him 570 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: in that building and they locked him in. They locked 571 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: him in that building, and we gotta try to get 572 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: through this glass and so the doors it was stuck. Oh, 573 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: it was stuck. Oh, so the homies, so they were 574 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: trying to break the frame. I took one of them ashtrays, 575 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, the concrete astrays, little round ones picked up. 576 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: I kept throwing against the window and then broke the 577 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: window and pulled the homies out. And that's when my 578 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: hand cut this thing, and all of a sudden, the 579 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: whole fucking building just came down, you know. And um. 580 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: But then again during this time, remember I still got 581 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: fourteen years left to do there. There is no tomorrow. 582 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: You know, we gotta get it in. You know, we 583 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: have we have to do this. But I ain't gonna 584 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: lie to you. I ain't gonna lie on me. Um. 585 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: I did say before UM, before I walked out that unit, 586 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: I did believe in God, said God, please don't let 587 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: me kill nobody, and please don't let nobody kill me, right, 588 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: you know know, let me go back to one thing. Man. 589 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't think this is what these junctions realized. You 590 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: caught your case, man, and lived through that like pretty 591 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: much went through hell, and you never got caught with nothing. 592 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: It was just these cats words that you sent. At 593 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: the time, they called conspiracy a forty one a UM 594 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: and a forty six. They called it a constructive possession. 595 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: I didn't fully have it in my possession, but I 596 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: had domaning in control over it because let me say 597 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: this for the people out there too, And I'm pretty 598 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: sure we all got homeboys like that. How many homeboys 599 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: y'all got who went to jail for no reason because 600 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: somebody says some ship that wasn't true. Yeah, so somebody 601 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: right now could say I heard that James ghosts and 602 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: still got birds up in that thing that they yet 603 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: and we can mess around to be sitting in the 604 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: celle wondering what the hell happened? Hell happened? And you see, yeah, 605 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: that was it was. It was kind of crazy because 606 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is is that how many 607 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: nineteen year olds have that much money in the house. 608 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: And back then when the when when the Co Canadian 609 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: ship came out, man, it was it was big and 610 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: it was it was so many cats that reached that top. 611 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: You know that the average hood nigger wouldn't getting that 612 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: type of money or wouldn't getting it like that. That's 613 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: where you had the the the big deep boys, you know, 614 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: like like Free Read that was had controller ship like 615 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 1: that and distributed and putting it out there like that. 616 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: Half of us didn't happen like that. So something that 617 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: was going to the fairs for half of birds and 618 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: selling ship to to motherfucker three or four times. Uh, 619 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: your phone was being tapped easily, and nine times out 620 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: of tea. It was somebody in the hood that was 621 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: sucking with you and working with you and then doing 622 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: anything like that. But going to jail is going to 623 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: jail the time you're gonna do it. And like they 624 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: had my brother and in there, Hey, I got call 625 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: with a pistol. So they said the pistol was from 626 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: you talk. So now just because it's prison record, they're 627 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: trying to give forty years for the pistol and state 628 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: Commerce Article one sex night Claus seventeen of the US Constitution. 629 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: That's what that is, his commerce clause forty years. So 630 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there people and it's a cool ast. Uh. 631 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: The federal ship is totally different from state. And all 632 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: these people walked in this room. I don't like they're 633 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: been a pick a jury just like that. He had 634 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: a jury sitting right there and he ready to go 635 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: in you know what I'm saying. So, and Alton case 636 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: was the only case they said ninety nine point nine 637 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: percent eight percent of conviction rate from from the federal 638 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: witch camps. So he went all the way. M hm. 639 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: The police said that when he jumped out the car 640 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: and ran the person that was driving the car through 641 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: the pistol out, that's how they got there. So they 642 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: ate the ship up. But he sat there for a 643 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: minute and uh, how did he how did he get it? 644 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: The lawyer that he had was was a cool lawyer, 645 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: but he wind up beating it. And they said he 646 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: was the only only person in three years that that 647 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: one a case at that time. About Man, it's crazy, Yeah, 648 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: it's crazy. So just watching how they program go and 649 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: opposed to you know, stay, they sit there and they 650 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: do all these questions and ship and all that ship 651 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: and then pick a jury and take maybe maybe two 652 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: weeks maybe a month to pick. Yeah, And I'll tell 653 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: you the crazy thing about it, Man, I got a 654 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: brother in lawdis in the fives right now. He was 655 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: supposed to be up five years ago and wound up 656 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, little things happening to there and stuff where 657 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: he had defend himself or whatnot. Man. But just when 658 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: you get to see the discovery papers at the end 659 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: of the case, because when they came and got him, 660 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: he was messing with that math, right, and so you 661 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 1: just saw the whole assencion It was like a movie. 662 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: I saw his whole as Sencion and rides to where 663 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: he first hooked up with these people. Right, he's doing 664 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: his thing. Then he had the five point on dating's right. 665 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: Then he had the f one fifty on these you 666 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Then he got the big house 667 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: in Cerritos, the other one in Lakewood. Three or four 668 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: hours is. So we're having a birthday party. This when 669 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 1: I knew he was in there some ship, right, because 670 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: he was stressed out all the time. Man, you know, 671 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: just like he had all this stuff but could never 672 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Just seemed like he was always just going 673 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we're having the birthday 674 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: party for the kids for my son over the this 675 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: house were over in Lakewood. Right, it's a new creative 676 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: you got. So I'm looking for the bathroom. I walking 677 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: run room. Remember they had the brown bag trade trash 678 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: bags whole room for the money. Just you know, just 679 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: like talked about me. You know, you see some ship 680 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: like that. So me I'm talking like, man, what you 681 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: got going on? Bro? You know what I mean? Because 682 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: had I known you got all this over you, I 683 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't not damn sh it. Wouldnt be over it with 684 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: you because I've always been no nonsense, you know what 685 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Because I know I'm not trying to go 686 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: to jail with nobody. They run up in his motherfucking 687 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: and sure, as you know, I look at his discovery papers. 688 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm in there as shock. They called me shocking the 689 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: discovery papers. How you getting conversation? You know, phone conversations 690 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: and just me, Thank god, we never he never put 691 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,959 Speaker 1: us none of his ship, you know what I mean. 692 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: But he has given us money. He had given his 693 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: money before. You know what I'm saying for Look, you 694 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: know little things say bro, go talk to your homeboy. 695 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: This car. You know I had a partner to deal 696 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: with cars and ship, right, you know, giving well, get 697 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: this for me. I guess they found that I didn't 698 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with it because I always had 699 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: some squares ship going on. It's like when I did 700 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: my little dippling and dabbling. It took me one time 701 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: for the police to tell me, hey we and I 702 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: was that was I left a hole my homeboy, and 703 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: tell you you know, a big fine. But you tell 704 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: y'all left a hole zone back in the bid and 705 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: walked away because I recognized left, walked, walked away, left 706 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: it right down the building. Because what happened was, um, 707 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: we was on Ohio and An and they should be 708 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: the spot. You know, I'm not here from Ohio with 709 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: no money, right, So I was pretty good at it. It 710 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: It was easy. It wasn't nothing. You know, I'm a big, tall, intimidating. 711 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: The first thing, I actually had good customer service. The 712 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: mother dudes out there beating niggers up, taking their money 713 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,479 Speaker 1: and ship I was, you know, gave you a nice 714 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: big huver rock, you know what I mean. Feeding all 715 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: the smokers, you know, you know I had them, you know, 716 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: having things. Then I you know, one lady gave me 717 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: the idea, you know, Nickels. I started selling Nicholas, right. 718 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,720 Speaker 1: I had goes out there right, so I was short 719 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: stopping everybody ship between motherfucker's hitting that corner, me having 720 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: the box, motherfucker's niggas pulling the hand, and little niggas 721 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: this tall pulling downs on me this big and ships 722 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: about you're sucking up my money, you know what I mean. 723 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: And they don't want to do nothing because they're cool 724 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: with the homie, but they you know, if they don't 725 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: want to see me like this, but they just pretty 726 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: much I just saw it wasn't worth it to me. Man, 727 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: it just wasn't worth it. You'll have some money in 728 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: my pocket now. Man. But I remember my mom had 729 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: called me early that morning and she said, what's going 730 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: on with you? Now, Monty in California? Play football. I 731 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: ain't came out here to become the king piano scarface. 732 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: You gotta remember this, nineteen eighty nine. And it was 733 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: it was easy, you know when I because when I 734 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: first went out to the first night I was out there, 735 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: I made twelve hundred dollars, just like it was easy. 736 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: The only thing that slowed me down I didn't have 737 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: enough savvy in the game. I kept going back buying 738 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: double ups like a dumbass, you know what I mean. 739 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: Like I didn't have another sense, you know. You know 740 00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't have enough sense. So I'm 741 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: just study going back. You could you could have held, 742 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 1: you could have handled at the time you walked away 743 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: from my house, you know what I'm saying. So, but 744 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: you know that's the thing I got, man, because it 745 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: starts I start feeling this sense of power. Right because 746 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: first of all, now I don't went from being a 747 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: nigger that where the same leaver as the school every 748 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: day to where I got the cock sport t phone, 749 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,479 Speaker 1: I got me a little cube and ling, I got 750 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: me a page and my homeboy don took me the 751 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: compass wapping me and I'm you know, I'm feeling good. 752 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't got the little I don't grow the little shaggy, 753 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you know what I'm saying. 754 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't got me a little thing. You know, you know, 755 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: nigger got a kno in this pocket. You know, you 756 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: go to you know, Friday night, you're going, um, what's 757 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 1: a little Tommy Burger? And you out there, you know 758 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: you actually a little night in your pocket. You got 759 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: your twenty five dollars in your pocket. You know, you're right, 760 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're doing your thing. You're 761 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: going to Hollywood and you're just getting the attention. Right. 762 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: But my mom had called me the morning. It was 763 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,919 Speaker 1: something in the the foray. She said, I know you out 764 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: there doing something. Whatever you're doing, you need to stop. 765 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: So it was just different that day. It felt dark 766 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: that day because I will starts getting football practice to 767 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: go to the block. First of the month, man, fun practice. 768 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm this ship is this is the thousand dollar day, 769 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But just how you how 770 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: you explain it? A whole bunch of cats can't explain 771 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: it like that. I was done, man, Is that you know? 772 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: Because you know what I measured up with it? Man, 773 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: Because the way this cop broke me down was like 774 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: I was animal. The way like they could you could 775 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: tell they was frustrated. They couldn't find nothing. You know, 776 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: I didn't have no pistol on me. I didn't have nothing. 777 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: I left my little pistol at the house that day, right. 778 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: I didn't had no pistol on you didn't have nothing 779 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: on me, And I kept my ship. One thing my 780 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: boy told him, he said, never keep that ship on you, 781 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: Never keep it on you. So they was looking forward, dog, 782 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: and they couldn't find it. I walked away. I walked 783 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,919 Speaker 1: straight back to the house. Man. I didn't I didn't 784 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 1: pay us go, didn't try to go back and look 785 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,479 Speaker 1: at it for nothing, and didn't try to do nothing, 786 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. No, I wasn't working with it, dog. 787 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure fine he's fat ass went back over 788 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: there trying, you know what I mean, try to do 789 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: this ship. But I was done, man, because what idea was. 790 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: I did the math for it because I got people, 791 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: know how, they all my whole family, you know how man. 792 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: My daddy said, all of them dudes is in the 793 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: fizs now for hustling, right, So I already knew the 794 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: endgame was and I always did the math for I said, okay, 795 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: you figure I'm doing this now and I could probably 796 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: go this, but when they stretched me that time gonna 797 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: be like me getting a check from McDonald's. Yes, when 798 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: they break it down, you know, when you break down 799 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: the time. So it just wasn't. It just wasn't. It 800 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 1: just went in the mix. What goes? What's the eyes 801 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: of coming home and and you still have money left? 802 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,760 Speaker 1: How many guys would you say came home that still 803 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: had paper from from during twenty years and then get 804 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: out and still can relax off the money they made. 805 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: I don't know none. I don't. I don't know none. Um. 806 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: You know the stuff that you but I had, Um, 807 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't need it. You know I needed it, 808 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: but um, it's something I didn't think about because you 809 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: know it's like Mom's you know you can have it. 810 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: You know, um my mom, man, Um, she wouldn't accept nothing. 811 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: She wouldn't accept nothing. So I put it in there 812 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,919 Speaker 1: and I'll hold it for you. He's like, my mom 813 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: didn't want nothing, you know she you know, she's um. 814 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,879 Speaker 1: The church in Compton, you know, yeah, she didn't want nothing, man. 815 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: And um, you know she had a little um trying 816 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: to buy her things. She tried to buy her car, 817 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: she didn't want that. Um, try to move her out 818 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: the project, she didn't want that. Um, she didn't want nothing, man. 819 00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: And UM, I'm trying to. I'm trying to. I'm trying 820 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: to help her out, you know, trying to help her out. 821 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: But my mom is like one of them women from 822 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: old school, you know. Um, God, God faring, you know that. 823 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: You know what am I to say, you know to Jesus? 824 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 1: And you know because the church and Compton that's where 825 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: we grew up at. You know, my my um, my 826 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: godmother was the pastor of the church in Compton, and 827 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: and she still go there to this day. And my 828 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: mom is, UM. I had to tell her, you know, 829 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: you need you with cars, so go ahead and take it. 830 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: And she did. Man. Um, I'm thinking she's gonna buy 831 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: Honda or something mom mom bought escalade, Mom bother escalade, 832 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, and she was enjoying that part right there. 833 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: But um yeah, it's um. You know what Norm talking 834 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,320 Speaker 1: about Homi is um is I saw no danger in it. 835 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: And that's the problem. That's because it's different his lifestyle 836 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: and your lifestyle. Your lifestyle and mind is in the hood. 837 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,919 Speaker 1: His lifestyle is a transfer coming to the hood. Coming 838 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: to the hood is easy to walk away. But on 839 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,879 Speaker 1: a daily living in the hood and got to see 840 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: these same people every day on the daily basis and 841 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: functioning this that's what I am. I'm from the hood. 842 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: The hood is me. So that's why our situation is 843 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: totally different. He didn't. He didn't have to endure a 844 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: day to day with the hood. I kept with one 845 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: hundred to the game. I took twenty with it and 846 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: I ran with it. This is my mentality, my values, 847 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,759 Speaker 1: and my beliefs was funked up. Well, God, dude, was culling. 848 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: Your ego killed my ego. Verizon wireless signs getting my 849 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: foods into me, my homeboard, my homeboy gave me get 850 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: feet me. So going back to norm, going back to norm, 851 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean like I had to get the gap. You 852 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: know I can. I can bump one easy. You think 853 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I still had a little bit. I 854 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: still had that right there. But it's different now if 855 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: I do bump. But what can I do with it? 856 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 1: Not goddamn thing. So this fear of financial insecurities come in. 857 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: I say, I call a a homie. Um its ghost man, 858 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,439 Speaker 1: it's ghosts and um oh yeah, my probation just got 859 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,400 Speaker 1: transferred from Long Beach to Inglewood, right and uh and 860 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: I had you know, so I'm doing that. I'm catching 861 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: this goddamn bust. And so I called aos. What's up? 862 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: Homies like this? Ghost gain? Yeah, Hey, I can get you. 863 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: I can get you. Thirty I can get I can 864 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: get the car um almost in the game. You know, 865 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,200 Speaker 1: Um I can, I could, I could thirty thousand was 866 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting paid four hundred four twenty dollars a week, 867 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: twirling rising Wireley signs the fuck. I tell Norm like, Norm, um, 868 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a jack And he's like, I go 869 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: over his house and he said back and talk. He said, bag, 870 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: you know what you do anything you want to do. 871 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: All I do is make a suggestion phone ring. Hey, ghost, 872 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 1: what's up. What's up? Else? It was up on me? Um, yeah, man, 873 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: you know what, M I got the whole sixty fuck 874 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: shoot room. I felt it right here Norm Norm's We're 875 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,759 Speaker 1: sitting in his backyard eating toast. You know what. He's 876 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,719 Speaker 1: an old man, you know. And Um, he said, I'm like, 877 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna tell you on me, I'm good, 878 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm good. He's like, what your man? I said, I'm good? 879 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,359 Speaker 1: I said, you know. He said, you know you looked 880 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,919 Speaker 1: out for me back in the eighties, you know, giving 881 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 1: me that work. I said, you know that was part 882 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,919 Speaker 1: of my old lifestyle. Man. Um, you know what on me? Um, 883 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 1: I don't need it. Man. You know I'm cool. I 884 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,439 Speaker 1: guarantee you. I continued into I'm cool. So UM, I said, 885 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: you know what on me? Um, I can't you know, 886 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: we can't talk no more. He said, you're sure. I'm like, 887 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm positive Gary, And he's like and Norms like looking 888 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: at me, not not this Norm. You know. Um, his 889 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 1: name is Norman, you know. Um? And I say, Um, 890 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I hanged the phone up and 891 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, he said, what happened? I said? He said, 892 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,799 Speaker 1: he can get me all sixty. He said, when was 893 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: the first I've been asking for that? For that, I said, 894 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: about a week ago and took what he said. He 895 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: said give me eight and didn't give me thirty, and 896 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: now he could get the whole sixty. So my my 897 00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,879 Speaker 1: other homeboy, what messing with this female? Who knew? Soon? 898 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,000 Speaker 1: So I gotta go. Um, I gotta go to Englewood, 899 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, to you know, go see the Pyo Go 900 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: peanut bottle ship like that. And he sits back. His 901 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 1: name is Mr mctoire. He said, Um, you you changed. 902 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: I see what you mean. He said, Um, I'm glad 903 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 1: you changed. Mr. So I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, 904 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,840 Speaker 1: what do you mean? And he was like, are you 905 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,400 Speaker 1: associating with your old cronies? I said, some people do 906 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 1: call me, you know, I said, but I have I 907 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 1: have a strong mentor in my life now. And he 908 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 1: was like, can I show you something? I said, yeah. 909 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 1: It's August a special special agent maur Hand with Gary. 910 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: Oh well you know Gary, he gonna you know, the 911 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,400 Speaker 1: wan for Wred. They called the ghost um known drug dealer. 912 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: He's gonna try to um. They called it um an 913 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,360 Speaker 1: overt act. I didn't agree. I agree but I didn't agree. 914 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: I didn't agree. Um, you're don't try to get him. No, No, 915 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know that he caught a case coming through Mexico. 916 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, I just got out and I had to 917 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,800 Speaker 1: go drop a deuce. I listened to that ship, special 918 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: Agent marahand the federal um um, the d A. Lauren 919 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,640 Speaker 1: mallerhand this scared ship. Scared. He was about to work 920 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: you and put you back in for sixty grant that 921 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,239 Speaker 1: you had twenty years ago. His mother go was because 922 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: he knows, he knows that what it was for was 923 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 1: for and where it where it came from. And I 924 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: never told on nobody I got got from doing the 925 00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: seventeen year bit on a drug case. Right, they try 926 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: to He's trying to get me, you know, show you 927 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,880 Speaker 1: back to another team. Um, probably so, probably so. And 928 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: then he listened again. A couple of days later, it's 929 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: August fourteen, so on so time, Special Agent maraham, we're 930 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,840 Speaker 1: going to attempt with Mr Gary, attempt to speak with 931 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 1: Mr Diwan for one more again. I need your thirty dog. 932 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,880 Speaker 1: I'm good. Yeah, let me think about, you know, a 933 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 1: conversation and then the last one normal sitting there with me. 934 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,840 Speaker 1: And you know what my po said. He said, I'm 935 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: glad you did not say yes because we were gonna 936 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,319 Speaker 1: come and get you. I suppose you're gonna get me 937 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,240 Speaker 1: fall he said, ex feeling and put um in the conspiracy. 938 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:58,959 Speaker 1: Um um frettened um um its been a conspiracy. Yeah yeah, 939 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 1: that and I forgot to I've got the other charge. 940 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 1: It's some bullshit, right. I had no money. I have 941 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 1: no more money. Pay no lorders, no more. You know, 942 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: eight dollars, eight dollars. He sain't gonna pay no, I'm 943 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,400 Speaker 1: gonna get a public pretender. So make a long story short. Um. 944 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 1: I came out the bathroom and I said, I dropped 945 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 1: the duce. I had to go drop a duce. So 946 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to. I don't want to go. 947 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,799 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that no more. You see 948 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So um, I called, I walked out. 949 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: I walked down the Brea and I went to the 950 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 1: bus stop right there on Manchester because I got a 951 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: little studio apartment, implied del Rey. You know, it was 952 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 1: probably biggest you bathroom you know? And I called, I 953 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: called Norm, and I said, man, I'm gonna take every 954 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 1: suggestion that you give me. And he started laughing and says, 955 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:59,399 Speaker 1: start over again. And I did. And that's the good lad. 956 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,319 Speaker 1: And it's it's hard because most of us don't take heed, 957 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,000 Speaker 1: especially these young cats today ain't gonna listen to you. 958 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 1: You had to close that book before you started a 959 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 1: new one. I realized that you can't be Midel James 960 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,080 Speaker 1: and then be James McDonald. You have to close one 961 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: of them. You're only old and possessed one identity. You 962 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,800 Speaker 1: can't live two different knives. You're gonna they gonna interact 963 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,320 Speaker 1: at some point, which what this was, What's gonna happened 964 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,239 Speaker 1: to you? By working with this cat? Now I got 965 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,359 Speaker 1: the whole sixty temptation is a motherfucker. If you never 966 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 1: spoke with no him and he gave you those suggestions, 967 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,319 Speaker 1: you just you have been out there trying to get 968 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: that jack. Yes, but that jack would have put your 969 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,360 Speaker 1: drove you straight back to where you came from exactly. 970 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,759 Speaker 1: And and you know and one thing that um, what 971 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 1: he tells me is he tells me that this is 972 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 1: an old man, is seventy two year old man, a 973 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 1: little bity dude by five four. He puts his finger 974 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 1: in my chest and tell me you're not your story 975 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:18,240 Speaker 1: no more. You will tell your story. Fox me excuse 976 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: my language, fox me up. You will tell your stories 977 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 1: to being your story. And that's that's And the thing 978 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 1: about it is he never had no sons, and he 979 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,040 Speaker 1: he has two daughters. And I said, I want everything 980 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 1: that you got. I want everything that you got. And 981 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: he said, continue to take suggestions and elevate your mind setting, 982 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:48,520 Speaker 1: your vibration and your frequency, and you will produce similar 983 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 1: results to myself. See now this is what the This 984 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: is what I do. This is what I do on 985 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 1: a daily basis. My palms are down these junctures. I 986 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: told Junior the other day, Um, I wear with the 987 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: funk I wanted to wear. I love to think this. 988 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. Um, but I'm wearing a red 989 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: a Theata sweatsuit just like this. And I'm in the 990 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,040 Speaker 1: store in Inglewood called Robert's Market. I see these three youngsters, right, 991 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, wearing these skinny jeans you know, you know, 992 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: sagging and ship. So I walk up to the store 993 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,040 Speaker 1: and the first thing they do is they look at this. 994 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,480 Speaker 1: Remember I used to be on the other side, you know, 995 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,240 Speaker 1: so raids a new thank to me. You know what 996 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I'm wearing this red on four dita suit. 997 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 1: This was Thursday, Friday, last Friday. Um. And then I 998 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: walked inside the liquor store, right I got, I got 999 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,880 Speaker 1: my mask on everything, and these three youngsters they just 1000 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 1: look at me. I said, what's up, youngsters, how do 1001 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 1: you doing? What's your name? What's your name? I'm d 1002 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,160 Speaker 1: J Vaerette man. They used to call me. Go push 1003 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 1: up with your name. And they look at me, and 1004 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 1: I said, don't be afraid of me. I'm not afraid 1005 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,240 Speaker 1: of you. I see your life matters to me. I said, 1006 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,400 Speaker 1: I come here to buy a fantasy and a pack 1007 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 1: of cigarettes. Don't get afraid of me. And in all 1008 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 1: this right here and all that following went down, and 1009 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,280 Speaker 1: I said, um, sit y'all up to night. We're just 1010 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 1: trying to get a little, you know, a little something. 1011 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 1: You know, I'm forty nine years old. Then they're made 1012 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,560 Speaker 1: by in their early thirties. You know what I'm saying. 1013 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: And and they said, I'm not afraid of you. I 1014 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,840 Speaker 1: see you look defensive when I walk inside the store. 1015 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: You guys just kept looking at me, you know, I said, 1016 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm don't be afraid to be youngest. You know. You 1017 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: said your life matters to me. You know, I hope 1018 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,960 Speaker 1: my life matters to you too. And they were like, 1019 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 1: make a long story show. I called Junior right after that, 1020 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,480 Speaker 1: and we're on the phone. I said, Man, I'm in 1021 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 1: the fucking parking lot at Robert's Liquor and Inglewood and 1022 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,200 Speaker 1: we're just chopping it up with these junctions. And I said, 1023 00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,600 Speaker 1: the thing is, you need to give this away. You 1024 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,000 Speaker 1: need to evade your vibration, your frequency. So when we 1025 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,720 Speaker 1: see somebody that looks like you, you don't have to 1026 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 1: be afraid. You see what I'm saying. I said, because 1027 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: your life matters. My life matters, I said, Edward, the 1028 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,640 Speaker 1: funk I go. If I'm on eight of the main, 1029 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: if I'm in fucking Compton, if I'm in fucking Wise, 1030 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,560 Speaker 1: if I'm in the Pacific Palisades, and if I'm if 1031 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,640 Speaker 1: I put off the freeway and I'm by the Nicholsons 1032 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,280 Speaker 1: and I go up to the gas station, I should be. 1033 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I should don't be. Don't be afraid of you, because 1034 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: fear means false evidence appearing real. So don't be afraid 1035 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 1: of me, you know, I'm you know, I taught these 1036 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,640 Speaker 1: guys face everything and rise. This is my this is 1037 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 1: my thing, and that's where we gotta get afraid of 1038 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,480 Speaker 1: each other. And when I told you me, answer James, 1039 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 1: I just I spent seventeen years in penitentiary. No, no, 1040 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,200 Speaker 1: you've seen me. Saw my prison card. I'm like, no, like, yes, 1041 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,200 Speaker 1: I did, I see I did. I've been there, So 1042 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:17,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to We're gonna keep spreading that. Yeah, 1043 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,400 Speaker 1: we don have to keep spreading up if you can't 1044 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,640 Speaker 1: do me a favor because we got a lot of 1045 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 1: people look at the show. Explain what vibrations and frequencies are, 1046 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,360 Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure it's a lot of people out 1047 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,760 Speaker 1: there that don't know. Oh right, all right, um, I'm 1048 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,920 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna speak about my experience or what I 1049 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,520 Speaker 1: learned through vibrations and frequency. It's it's it's it's a feeling. 1050 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,560 Speaker 1: You cannot see it. You can see the results of 1051 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,040 Speaker 1: a vibration or or higher frequency, but you cannot see it. 1052 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 1: Um My, Now, I never imagine even speaking like this before. 1053 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,840 Speaker 1: But me, um, I know that everything is perfect, right. 1054 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,720 Speaker 1: I do believe in I believe in God, you know, 1055 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 1: not organized religion. That's not my thing. But if it's 1056 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,320 Speaker 1: it's it's more of a spiritual thing, which is an 1057 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: invisible thing, right, which is a vibration, which is the frequency, 1058 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,480 Speaker 1: which is I like to call God. This is me right, 1059 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,960 Speaker 1: which is perfect? It's perfect. So everything I look at, 1060 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,560 Speaker 1: I see a vibration or a frequency. Like when we 1061 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 1: met high vibration, high frequency, we and you transmitted something 1062 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,760 Speaker 1: which the laws of attraction. So I know that you're perfect. 1063 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:30,520 Speaker 1: I know everybody's perfect, right, I know, but that vibration 1064 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: needs a point of reference. The vibration needs a point 1065 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: of reference for me. This is my interpretation of that. 1066 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,520 Speaker 1: So if I can transmit it our it's a laws 1067 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,440 Speaker 1: of attraction. And I know that my invisible part of me, 1068 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:53,760 Speaker 1: my invisible the part that only I know, was undeveloped 1069 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,880 Speaker 1: at one time. That's because we live a toxic life. 1070 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:04,680 Speaker 1: It was perfect, but undeveloped. So therefore my human experience 1071 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: has been toxic. Right. So once I learned to tune 1072 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,080 Speaker 1: in to this thing called perfection, which is a vibration 1073 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,480 Speaker 1: or frequency, and I developed that just like buff iron, 1074 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 1: just like we learned, like we learned stuff. I learned 1075 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,920 Speaker 1: this inside stuff which is the invisible part which I 1076 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,760 Speaker 1: know it was perfect and therefore the results I produced 1077 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,720 Speaker 1: A dann, You're perfect and my toxic and my human 1078 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,920 Speaker 1: experience ain't been toxic anymore. So it's a tuning in. 1079 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:43,920 Speaker 1: It's listening to that my voice, which is which connects. 1080 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 1: So it's kind of deep, man, it's real deep. But um, 1081 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 1: I learned. I learned this stuff when I was um, 1082 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,400 Speaker 1: when I was in Turkey. Um, I learned this the 1083 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,400 Speaker 1: same thing when I was in Australian Melbourne, when I 1084 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 1: was speaking with the Aboriginals when they were in cars rated. 1085 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Because this is what I get a chance to do. 1086 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,120 Speaker 1: I get a chance to go with different places. You know, 1087 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm blessed on me. I'm blessed. I can take this. 1088 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,600 Speaker 1: I can take the twenty year prisoners that they gave 1089 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:15,120 Speaker 1: me and I can convert that into an asset. Yeah 1090 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,080 Speaker 1: I do. You know, I do get paid for that. 1091 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, I like, I ain't a lie, but um, 1092 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:24,160 Speaker 1: I take that and I go to these places. You know, Um, 1093 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: and I talked about this perfection and you know, Aboriginals 1094 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,480 Speaker 1: they're real spiritual. Everything is nature, everything is is they 1095 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 1: see God. You know, you know what I'm saying, but 1096 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:42,200 Speaker 1: I get them, I get their attention by telling my 1097 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:49,640 Speaker 1: story and they don't see saying And so that's that's 1098 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:56,320 Speaker 1: that's tuning in to that how my frequency um of 1099 01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,320 Speaker 1: tuning that in and getting the high vibration. Because if 1100 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't little different vibrations or say, a different channel, 1101 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be sitting him with you. I wouldn't be 1102 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 1: sitting him exactly exactly. And that's the thing, um, what 1103 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to get across, man is um, I look 1104 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,720 Speaker 1: at James, I look at you. You know, people that 1105 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,600 Speaker 1: actually been through the storm, just changed their life right, 1106 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,800 Speaker 1: and and all of that is real. I tell I 1107 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 1: preached that to everybody that I know that you know, 1108 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,080 Speaker 1: trying to get in the business or whatever it is 1109 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,960 Speaker 1: they're doing. I'm telling that you have to get you 1110 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,200 Speaker 1: right first before you try to embark on anything. And 1111 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,640 Speaker 1: everything can't be about money because if you're doing the 1112 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,360 Speaker 1: right thing, the money had comes. It's weird how it works. 1113 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,000 Speaker 1: It's a reward because if you do, if you work hard. 1114 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 1: Like when we came in here to do this podcast, 1115 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,920 Speaker 1: we never talked about money. At first. It was always 1116 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,360 Speaker 1: less make the dopest thing possible. Because I had this 1117 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,280 Speaker 1: idea for three years and I never went forward with 1118 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 1: it because I got to get the right people involved 1119 01:05:58,520 --> 01:05:59,840 Speaker 1: with it, you know what I mean, Because it was 1120 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,520 Speaker 1: that I saw being like, um, not just a seasonal 1121 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,600 Speaker 1: show one or two years things. I saw being a 1122 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,160 Speaker 1: thing that where brothers can get together around table to 1123 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,000 Speaker 1: a certain experiences, and it's something that's like that's gonna 1124 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,400 Speaker 1: go beyond me. You know. It's almost like the guy 1125 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,800 Speaker 1: that opened up the first McDonald's franchise, you know, he 1126 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,080 Speaker 1: didn't see him have him you know, McDonald's all over 1127 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,520 Speaker 1: the world at that time. He just opened up a 1128 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,040 Speaker 1: Burger's thing, you know, but then it spread. I see 1129 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,520 Speaker 1: this being a thing that where thirty years from us, 1130 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 1: three more brothers sitting at the table talking. You know 1131 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,840 Speaker 1: what I mean. Well, it is actually time for it, 1132 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,560 Speaker 1: and like I said, things in life is happening because 1133 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,919 Speaker 1: of that, and it's time for change, and it's it's 1134 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, we didn't happen to be sitting across the 1135 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,400 Speaker 1: table on the flute. You know what I'm saying. I 1136 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,800 Speaker 1: think things are being placed in front of me. Is 1137 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,920 Speaker 1: what as you was knowing and everybody that listened to 1138 01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,600 Speaker 1: this podcast we all getting a chance to see in 1139 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:05,640 Speaker 1: here and listen to your story, my story, and if 1140 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 1: you if you add it up, man, it's all the same, 1141 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,560 Speaker 1: the same fucking road. But I went over the hill 1142 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,560 Speaker 1: this way, I hit the curve this way, and yours 1143 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 1: went that way. But it's all the same thing, and 1144 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,840 Speaker 1: everything is coming straight out of the neighborhood. So learning 1145 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,440 Speaker 1: that and understanding that and then growing up and growing 1146 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 1: up as men sinning wrong and knowing that there's a 1147 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,520 Speaker 1: need for change. That's that that this is, this is 1148 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,840 Speaker 1: a cold piece right here, and everybody got to see 1149 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,560 Speaker 1: and understand that. You don't want to be on this 1150 01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,320 Speaker 1: pin off, you know that, because with this, I mean 1151 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,400 Speaker 1: you gotta bring you hey game to to to get out, 1152 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,360 Speaker 1: to get out of prison and then be able to 1153 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,840 Speaker 1: show that and say I've made it out. But this 1154 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,920 Speaker 1: is what I'm doing with it. And that's one of 1155 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,520 Speaker 1: my biggest things. The young catch is not understanding that 1156 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,439 Speaker 1: today it's glorifying it, man, you know it's um. It's 1157 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:12,480 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, glorifying and desensitizing um. And they 1158 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,680 Speaker 1: don't understand of how you watch your mama get old 1159 01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,920 Speaker 1: in the visiting room, These catching understanding when they watch 1160 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 1: their kids grow up in the visiting room and then 1161 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,720 Speaker 1: have grandkids in the visiting room. They ain't understanding that. 1162 01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,800 Speaker 1: You know. They're talking about, you know, pulling these pistols out. 1163 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: Now there's a consequence for that. Either gonna get the 1164 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,880 Speaker 1: death penalty or you're gonna get stretched the funk out 1165 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:41,240 Speaker 1: or get killed. And these these bullet wounds I got 1166 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:45,519 Speaker 1: in my back. I made it. I heard you talking 1167 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,760 Speaker 1: about that. It's like motherfucker's don't understanding what what a 1168 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,040 Speaker 1: hot one feels like. And you and you got your 1169 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,280 Speaker 1: you got your fifteen years old, and you wonder why 1170 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,479 Speaker 1: he fell on the ground. He's bleeding out of his ear, 1171 01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:59,720 Speaker 1: and then you know, you look back in. Motherfucker's just 1172 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,479 Speaker 1: shoot because I'm wanting a different code. You know, motheruck's 1173 01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,320 Speaker 1: ain't understanding that, you know, because it's the values and 1174 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,759 Speaker 1: beliefs I believed in my in my hood at one time, 1175 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,519 Speaker 1: and I believed that I was grapping my hood. But 1176 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,360 Speaker 1: now I got this new information real on me. What 1177 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,599 Speaker 1: I was doing was I was a part of holding 1178 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,519 Speaker 1: my neighborhood hostage and making it dangerous. That's true. You know, 1179 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,000 Speaker 1: my neighborhood. Now, I'm gonna tell you it's funny. It's 1180 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:29,000 Speaker 1: the most populated place for tricker treaters because I sit 1181 01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,960 Speaker 1: on my porch and give off and give off candy, 1182 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,200 Speaker 1: and like where y'are from, they ain't from nowheld, I 1183 01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,960 Speaker 1: live in the Pacific Palace, Sage. Now you see what 1184 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying, and it's it's a blessing that I got 1185 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,720 Speaker 1: a chance to. You know, I got blessed with opportunities. 1186 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,160 Speaker 1: So that's that's where I raised my children at. You know, 1187 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,760 Speaker 1: but living up there is very few people that look 1188 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:55,599 Speaker 1: like my neighbor Barondad, she lived down street. You know, Um, 1189 01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,000 Speaker 1: Sugar Ray Leonard, you know ship like that, you know. Um. 1190 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 1: Sitting back on my porch seeing these youngsters man, these 1191 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:10,320 Speaker 1: kids and they're having fun. It's like we used to 1192 01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:15,560 Speaker 1: leave the projects to go trick or treat, you know, um, 1193 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,639 Speaker 1: because my older homeboys made it dangerous. That's people keep 1194 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,679 Speaker 1: a call. We just gonna put in work. I ain't 1195 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,080 Speaker 1: talking about going to McDonald's or putting work to rep 1196 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,560 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. You feel what I'm saying. I know what, 1197 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,800 Speaker 1: I know what Chicken previous lay, I knew what the 1198 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,599 Speaker 1: fourth of July, was like, yeah, I don't stay at home. 1199 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,000 Speaker 1: You know where I live now, where I raised my 1200 01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:46,479 Speaker 1: children that right now, Um, it's it's it's a little 1201 01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:51,200 Speaker 1: bit different. And um and people say, are you gonna 1202 01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,400 Speaker 1: tell your kids about your previous life? I said, when 1203 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,880 Speaker 1: they don't have to understand, I said, because you know 1204 01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna read. They're gonna read daddy's book. You know, 1205 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,240 Speaker 1: I wrote, Um, some of the stuff that I get 1206 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,360 Speaker 1: a chance to do when I get a chance to 1207 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,400 Speaker 1: go out there to a university or a different country 1208 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,719 Speaker 1: to go look at their penal system and wonder what 1209 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,960 Speaker 1: I've done, because they want to have a blueprint, you know, 1210 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 1: so they want to know that. So when they asked me, um, 1211 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,280 Speaker 1: you know who ever thought you asked my opinion of 1212 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,880 Speaker 1: how can I add some ship to a prison, um 1213 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:32,880 Speaker 1: for a re entry programs for our inmates to um 1214 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:37,920 Speaker 1: to use because you've been successful in it. So um, 1215 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,960 Speaker 1: they're foreign field between. But I do get a chance 1216 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:45,680 Speaker 1: to go do that. You see what I'm saying. Um, Um, 1217 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,960 Speaker 1: we're just giving them for an important person to cut off. 1218 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Because people need this information. That's what this show was 1219 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:55,680 Speaker 1: all the semblance of information what's the name of your book? Oh? 1220 01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,840 Speaker 1: The name of my book is called an Inside Job 1221 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,439 Speaker 1: from Life and Amaze to an Amazing Life. What could 1222 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,719 Speaker 1: people go first? They can go purchases at www dot 1223 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,240 Speaker 1: mr d J for red dot com m R d 1224 01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,320 Speaker 1: J v E R R E t T dot com. 1225 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,519 Speaker 1: They can go get that right there, and we can 1226 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,439 Speaker 1: have a link right there in the description. We have 1227 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,840 Speaker 1: a link for the podcast and description. So check for that. Man. 1228 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,120 Speaker 1: You know, this has been incredible, man, Man, and I 1229 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,640 Speaker 1: really you know, I thank you for coming through and 1230 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,040 Speaker 1: sharing this information with us, Man, because it's very important. 1231 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna have you back again. I appreciate that, Man, 1232 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,599 Speaker 1: I think was one quick thing. All close with this. Man. Um, 1233 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,559 Speaker 1: I'm a clinical supervisor. I'm got to school and I 1234 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,679 Speaker 1: got some education from my belt. Because can't nobody take 1235 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,599 Speaker 1: that from you the films, am Um. I'm a clinical 1236 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:52,200 Speaker 1: supervisor and I get these inmates ready. That's all I do. 1237 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,320 Speaker 1: I work with the mind. I said they will never 1238 01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:01,000 Speaker 1: this this mc RP would never hire me. They hired me. 1239 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:05,000 Speaker 1: I've been working at two years and the success rate 1240 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:11,280 Speaker 1: is fucking ridiculous because I have the blueprint and I'm 1241 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,400 Speaker 1: one of them. I go to work. I wore a 1242 01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,879 Speaker 1: tie every day I go to work. I model away 1243 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:28,800 Speaker 1: and closing February six, I'm I'm the clinical part. I'm 1244 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:35,240 Speaker 1: the clinical part. Right. They bring these guys in and 1245 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,880 Speaker 1: I issue them out to my staff. Right, they're all 1246 01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,559 Speaker 1: they're all counselors. They're all clinical counselors. I look at 1247 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,639 Speaker 1: the birthday on there, and I say, April second, nineteen 1248 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,919 Speaker 1: and one. I look at the name. It's Cold defending 1249 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,400 Speaker 1: my home boy, the one who pointed me out. M hmm. 1250 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,679 Speaker 1: Here I am twenty eight years later to the day 1251 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,960 Speaker 1: on I said, I said, make sure he's the last 1252 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,880 Speaker 1: one that comes to my office, comes to me because 1253 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,760 Speaker 1: I had to do a clinical assessment on him. He 1254 01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:16,559 Speaker 1: comes in my office and look like he saw ghosts 1255 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,640 Speaker 1: and then ship, I'll tell him to sit down. He 1256 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,519 Speaker 1: looks at me like I'm looking at you. He's tall, 1257 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, talk brother, you know. I was like, this 1258 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,519 Speaker 1: is Bizarres, and you know what the day is, He says, 1259 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:37,400 Speaker 1: February six. I see. I said, man, before we start, 1260 01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,200 Speaker 1: let me apologize to you. And he said for what. 1261 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,439 Speaker 1: He still got the orange jumps, So don't he say 1262 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,760 Speaker 1: for what? I let me apologize for my behavior and 1263 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,080 Speaker 1: forgiving you something that you couldn't handle the consequences which 1264 01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:57,840 Speaker 1: forced you to do something you don't want to do. 1265 01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,960 Speaker 1: It was based on fear. I forgive you. I said, 1266 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:04,000 Speaker 1: twenty years did not break me. Twenty years and my 1267 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,479 Speaker 1: brave dog. And he looked at me. I said, who would. 1268 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,400 Speaker 1: I would have never thought that will be in this position. 1269 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,160 Speaker 1: I said, numbers, numbers, February seen you in my office. 1270 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm here to help you with your thinking, your values 1271 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,680 Speaker 1: and beliefs. I held on to this. You're telling on me, 1272 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 1: you're bringing me to the lifestyle, and you're telling on me. 1273 01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,240 Speaker 1: So I forgive you. I said, do you forgive me? 1274 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:32,439 Speaker 1: I need your forgiveness. And you just said, yeah, that's 1275 01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,880 Speaker 1: the man ship right there. Yeah, because you know the 1276 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,360 Speaker 1: thing meals nothing happened seeing and I noticed for effect 1277 01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:44,840 Speaker 1: man because we're nothing like that. But I know I 1278 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,000 Speaker 1: forgave him because we all have these journeys in life 1279 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,320 Speaker 1: man like James said, this is like a book, right, 1280 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,360 Speaker 1: but nothing happens in this story that we're living right now. 1281 01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,479 Speaker 1: Nothing happens in this reality we're living by action, like 1282 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,040 Speaker 1: I just didn't meet you him by accident, like this 1283 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,680 Speaker 1: didn't meet you by accident. Some people are there for 1284 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,360 Speaker 1: a season. Some people are there for the whole duration 1285 01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,400 Speaker 1: of that book. However, long with he is, you know 1286 01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,360 Speaker 1: how long with hels. And we have to be able 1287 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,920 Speaker 1: to recognize that, will be conscious of it that nothing 1288 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,519 Speaker 1: is about mistake. Everything is part of a plan. For 1289 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,880 Speaker 1: every failure, there's a lesson, not of You can't look 1290 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,000 Speaker 1: at it as a failure. It's a lesson, you know 1291 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,680 Speaker 1: what I mean, For every victory you have to look 1292 01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,800 Speaker 1: at and learn from. This is a continuous learning process, man. 1293 01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,519 Speaker 1: And it's just amazing how everything works. It was a 1294 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,960 Speaker 1: blessing man. And you know, Um, I told my mama. 1295 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,200 Speaker 1: I told my mama and she was like, thank you Jesus, 1296 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,320 Speaker 1: thank you Jesus. And I said, you know, I said, 1297 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,759 Speaker 1: I said down, Yeah, that was it, you know, yeah, 1298 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,599 Speaker 1: let's I forgive you. It fucked him up because I'm 1299 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,080 Speaker 1: asking for his forgiveness, you know, you know what I'm saying. 1300 01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,080 Speaker 1: And he's I forgive you as I forgive you too. 1301 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:59,080 Speaker 1: So we grew up together, you know you. But yeah, 1302 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,639 Speaker 1: that's that's about it. And I spread the word for real, 1303 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,320 Speaker 1: and I want to thank um. Thank you James for 1304 01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,160 Speaker 1: having me with Thank you knowing for having me and 1305 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:14,120 Speaker 1: on Gangs to chronicles, you know, and hopefully that something 1306 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,759 Speaker 1: that I said will affect or reach you know, the viewers. 1307 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm quite sure a lot of things you said would. Uh. 1308 01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,960 Speaker 1: I can't get my point across without them hearing your 1309 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,240 Speaker 1: point and everybody else just sit at the table with 1310 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,160 Speaker 1: their views and values on ready yet now and it's working. 1311 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,840 Speaker 1: It's working. And I guarantee you this just just when running, 1312 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,080 Speaker 1: this episode's gonna work, bro because a lot of good 1313 01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:47,799 Speaker 1: things came out of seventeen years. So people just gotta understand. 1314 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,200 Speaker 1: We take these rides and they all mean something. Yeah, 1315 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But we just we just 1316 01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,880 Speaker 1: took those rides in different cards, but we arrived in 1317 01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,320 Speaker 1: the same motherfucker place. Man. We're trying to get back 1318 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: and trying to put a band aid on what we 1319 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, what we show up, you know what I'm saying, 1320 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:11,280 Speaker 1: and if we don't do that, we lost. So with 1321 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,640 Speaker 1: us doing what we're doing, and man, I would I 1322 01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,880 Speaker 1: wish nothing but the best. And we got to do 1323 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,479 Speaker 1: a part two here because it's so much to you 1324 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,800 Speaker 1: that these cats realn't need to hear well. I'm just 1325 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,760 Speaker 1: seeing the thing man, the dynamic that you too add Man. 1326 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,320 Speaker 1: I really want a man like you guys need to 1327 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,240 Speaker 1: go and road together. Let's do it. I'm pretty sure. Man, 1328 01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,479 Speaker 1: it's a lot of you know. I tell him I 1329 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,320 Speaker 1: love having conversations with him, man, because I can always 1330 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,840 Speaker 1: tell him that he's an onion of me. It's like 1331 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,760 Speaker 1: you peel back those layers. Man, you just like this 1332 01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 1: dude is not that you think he was because C James. 1333 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,640 Speaker 1: I think people get a certain impression of him and 1334 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,360 Speaker 1: they think that's what it is. I'm saying, No, it's 1335 01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,960 Speaker 1: one of the people's brothers. I think you want me. 1336 01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we want to these people that you for me. 1337 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,920 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So don't so do yourself 1338 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,960 Speaker 1: a favorite, don't prea judge. You know what I mean 1339 01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,600 Speaker 1: that you're doing yourself with the service you so um 1340 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:13,240 Speaker 1: um you know him and you James um again, man um, 1341 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I could do it. I can't do it by myself. 1342 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,040 Speaker 1: I really, I really want to thank both of you 1343 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,320 Speaker 1: guys for having this, this podcast, this Gangster Chronicles. I 1344 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,080 Speaker 1: really want to I really I really appreciate that and 1345 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,920 Speaker 1: what you guys are transmitting for real is you gots 1346 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:32,000 Speaker 1: are transmitting the bank keeping your palms down because you 1347 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,360 Speaker 1: guys are helping a lot of people. Yes, there's a 1348 01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 1: story that goes along with it, but it's the depth 1349 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,320 Speaker 1: and way that you guys bring. And I want to 1350 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:44,400 Speaker 1: say thank you because um, I'm a fan of gangster chronicles. 1351 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, so you guys appreciate it, man, And 1352 01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,000 Speaker 1: that's the whole purpose of the story. And that's what 1353 01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,920 Speaker 1: I tell people, because you know, we talked to all 1354 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,920 Speaker 1: the fans out there, so wherever you email, it comes 1355 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,720 Speaker 1: to you an answer. Man. Not tell them this is 1356 01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,240 Speaker 1: not glorification of it. Don't take the wrong stuff from 1357 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,880 Speaker 1: this is not here, you know, because they want to. 1358 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,639 Speaker 1: You know, some of these people who watched this show, 1359 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 1: they want everything to be shooting my bang bang, and 1360 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,559 Speaker 1: it's not about that. If that's all you get them 1361 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,559 Speaker 1: from it, then that men, either we're doing something wrong 1362 01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,519 Speaker 1: or your frequency is all right, you know what I mean. 1363 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,679 Speaker 1: You need to open up a little bit more. Jill 1364 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,280 Speaker 1: part to part to pick