WEBVTT - 031624 Israel’s Response in Gaza with Ami Horowitz (Part 1) 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.000 Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.600 welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:09.559 mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.280 your host, ramses Jah, and I want to send a 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:14.640 big shout out to my man q Ward, who is 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.800 globe trotting once again. He is somewhere down in Columbia 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.239 doing the Lord's work. I'm not sure if that's literally 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.800 or not, but it sounded good, So shout out to 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:26.880 q Ward, who will be back with us next week. 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:29.760 In the meantime, we are going to have a very 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.519 important and I believe timely conversation slash update with a 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.640 good friend of ours and a good friend of the show. 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.400 Today's guest goes by the name of Amy Horowitz. And 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.760 for those that may not remember the many times Amy 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.960 is set with us. He is a fellow journalist, and 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.640 he is a Jewish Man, and in his story he's 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:55.040 been able to go underground with Hamas and research and 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.080 report on the ongoing conflict in the region and even 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.160 prior to the is Hamas War. He's a globally renowned 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.440 journalist and his videos on YouTube and elsewhere I have 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.080 garnered over half a billion views, and these videos are 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:10.800 very important. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.760 And he is a. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.679 Again, a well renowned conservative I will say that now, 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.759 conservative journalist. And while we don't see eye to eye 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.760 on too much, I do reckon him a brother. And 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.280 I'm honored that you would come back on the show 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.039 and continue to have this conversation with me. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:29.960 So welcome back to the show. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.960 It's my pleasure. And that was quite an introduction. Man, 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:34.520 I should bring you around everywhere I go. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:40.640 Well, listen, I appreciate you saying that, and I hope 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.080 that today's conversation won't be too challenging for either of us, 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:45.960 because I know that I'm not the best person to 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:46.560 speak about it. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:47.880 Oh, challenging is good. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:49.080 Challenge is good. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.160 We want to always challenge our assumptions. We want to 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.400 check ourselves. Man, that's a healthy way of look at 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:53.840 the world. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.280 Okay, Well, then I tell you what we will get 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:00.600 into the challenging conversation right after our first order of business, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.240 which of course, as always is Ebony Excellence. 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John Batiste delivered a heartwarming performance 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.720 during the awards ceremony as well. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.880 And I know this is not really an entertainment show. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.720 We talk about things that are based in politics, based 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.160 in social justice, but in terms of any excellence, and 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.680 this is really why we incorporated this feature. It's important 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:27.520 to celebrate creativity, it's important to celebrate ingenuity. It's important 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.080 to celebrate intelligence, particularly when it comes from black people. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:34.639 A lot of people, in a lot of. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.120 People's minds, when they think of black people, they think 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.760 very negative things. And so again we delineate this time 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.120 in the show to celebrate what we've deemed Abny excellence. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.400 And forgive the fact that this is primarily entertainment based, 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:54.360 but the Academy awards and the winners certainly do reflect 0:03:55.360 --> 0:04:01.720 prosperous energy and certainly noteworthy accomplishments, and so I want 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.920 to make sure we shout them out now onto business. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.840 If I may say, you, my friend, are Ebony excellence. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:09.800 Hey, I'll take it man, Thank you, brother, I appreciate that. 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:14.080 So what we're going to do is have a conversation 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:22.520 about again the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine. And 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:28.000 there has been a lot that has been said by 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.520 everyone pretty much who has an opinion on this, who's 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.520 connected to this, and people who are on the periphial 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.800 as well. And you are one such individual who I 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:39.720 wouldn't call you on the perifiel at all. You've actually 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.600 been on the ground there, and so for the second 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.200 part of the show, I definitely want to talk to 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.800 you about what it's been like on the ground, But 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.640 for now, I'd like to get your thoughts on a 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.400 couple of things that have transpired since the last time 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:51.839 we spoke. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.160 So let's start here. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:58.440 Give me some insight into how maybe you're feeling or 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.760 maybe how folks are just in general. And I'm talking 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.720 about people that feel the way that you feel, and 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.040 feel free to define that for our audience. But last 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.359 time we spoke, it was very much you know that 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.479 the Israel has a right to defend itself. They have 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.520 to go after Hamas at all. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.600 By all means necessary. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.320 You know, the human shields, you know the major talking 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.880 points that we hear from the pro Israel stance, and 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:29.359 it's very much the casualties are unfortunate, but that's just 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.039 kind of the cost of doing business. That's that's kind 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.400 of the ugliness of war. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:34.560 So be it. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:39.480 Onward and upward, and let's keep carpet bombing the Gaza 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.640 strip And so again you start, you tell us that, 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.080 and then I want to get an idea of how 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.240 your thoughts, what your thoughts are with respect to how 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.880 the fact that global support has shifted away from Israel 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.680 more in favor of Palestine. So please tell us sort 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.280 of your feelings and then how that hits you. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.359 Look, and I wouldn't use the casualness of hey is 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.680 the cost doing business? Whatever? I mean, it's I think 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.640 Israel always feels moral responsibility in terms of how it 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.120 deals with this enemy. I think it always has, you know. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.279 I remember that there was a quote that you and 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.320 I talked about off the air from Golden Mayer which said, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.560 I think it's exact, but I might be slightly paraphrasing, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.039 which said, I will I could forgive the Palestinians for 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.920 killing our children, I will never forgive them for making 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.400 us killers of their children. I think it's a very 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.160 very powerful statement because it does go since to the 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.800 point that I've been trying to make overall, which is 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.200 there is no casualousness or callousness when it comes to 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.640 Israel engaging in war with the other side, no matter 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:53.880 how obscene or how brutal or barbaric what they did 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.960 to us was. And I think it does in fact 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:01.479 encapsulate the feeling of Israel that deals with war, which 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.320 is look we know when we get in war, they're 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.080 going to be casualties. They're going to be children who 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.000 are killed. We know that, and it kills us that 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.360 we have to engage in that kind of behavior, and 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:16.679 I have to do that. But ultimately, the difference comes 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.240 down to something very simple. And look, it's the problem ramseyes, 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.320 is that it's very hard to denude emotion from this argument. Right, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:29.320 It's an emotional argument, and sometimes that's difficult to discuss 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.240 because the emotion, I think, actually gets the way of 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.239 the real argument, which is the data, what is actually 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.000 happening on the ground. No, obviously I hold this against 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:40.520 you used the word carpet bombing, which a lot of 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.200 people have used, and this is part of the problem. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:48.320 If this or was carpet bombing Gaza, Gaza wouldn't be there. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.120 It wouldn't be an argument on me. There's an argument 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.320 that Gaza is not there. Effectually, a gaza doesn't exist anymore. 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.280 There's nowhere for the people to live, there's nowhere for 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.920 the people. The population has been displayed to people are hungry, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:02.800 people don't have homes that they can go back to. 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:07.000 So effectively, effectually, Gaza is has been decimated. 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.840 There is no gaza, so that isn't actually true, and 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.960 that there's there are many many In fact, I think 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.800 the majority of building are still standing. A lot have 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.760 been taken down for sure, but you're not seeing the 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.360 entire gaza strip, right, So. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.200 The population centers is what I'm referring. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.000 Yeah, yeah, even in the population centers there are many, many, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.840 many neighborhoods standing in but yes, most of that displaced. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.680 What I'm talking about is if it was if Israel 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.720 was in fact carpet bombing, you wouldn't have thirty thousand dead. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.160 It has three million dead. Israel's the ability to bomb 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.080 every inch of that and kill every single person there. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.600 So the reason why I don't we're because car bombing 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:48.239 has a specific military attribution, which is completely random destruction 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.800 of a city or a country. If it was completely random, again, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.640 it wouldn't be thirty thousand, maybe three hundred thousand and 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.800 three million deads So I don't like the use the 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.120 word that you use the word carpet bombing, but certainly 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.800 it has been bombed, I mean massively. There's no no 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:03.640 debate about. 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.000 That, Okay, So let's let's keep that in mind. So 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.800 what we have now is now. The thing is one 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.720 of the things I've never been able to fully get 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.800 to the bottom of is the why. Okay, now, the 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:23.439 why in terms of the Hamas attacks. I've learned since 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.240 then that this has been very much an ongoing war, 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.559 and what I originally thought of was just kind of hatred. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.079 There is some. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:41.880 Mental framework that exists within the the Hamas group which 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:46.959 is based beyond simply just hatred. There's a degree of retaliation, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.520 there's a degree of defense, There's all these things that 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:54.440 they feel is appropriate given what they've been through. Right, 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.760 So when we look at Israel and Israel's response to 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:04.120 the Hamas attack on October seventh, the why comes into 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.480 question because either they are going to get the Hamas 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:12.280 terrorists or they are going to do something more significant, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.240 something greater, right, And what we see as the result 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.280 of them, quote seeking out the Hamas terrorists, well, the 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.079 result of that is something far greater, right, as you mentioned, 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.880 significant destruction. Okay, Now, this is something that I have seen. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:29.320 I've seen the data on this, and I'm sure you 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.000 have to, and I fear that we are subscribing to 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.680 potentially at some point in this conversation we might find 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.720 ourselves having subscribed to two different sets of data. But 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.280 I want to be very fair when I say that 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.520 the data that I look at, because again I don't 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.760 have an a vested interest in the outcome directly here. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.199 These are not necessarily speaking my people on either side. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.320 I reckon both sides, brothers to me, right, So the 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.680 best that I can do is try my best to 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:03.680 use data that is either not biased or not listed 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.040 as uncredible. Okay, So so that what I'm What I 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.280 mean is I'm looking at data from sources that are 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.080 journalistically credible and do not have a significant bias one 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:15.680 way or the other. Okay, there are some that are 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.600 left bias, some that are right byas with that in mind, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:23.560 where I am is when I see that Israel has 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.240 done so much damage, the why and this might have 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.240 been a conspiracy theory, but increasingly it starts to feel 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:30.560 like maybe that's true. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:31.480 Okay. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.640 So again, you mentioned that carpet bombing would have destroyed 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.920 hundreds of thousands or potentially millions of people, right, and 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.520 Israel has the capability of doing that. But if in 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.920 fact Israel does want the land, it certainly looks like 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:51.640 they're moving the population of the Gaza strip south toward 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:57.920 the Egyptian border. And because of that, and and and 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.160 because of the fact that they are not I mean, 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.240 they're still on the edge of sort of a crisis, 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.760 a pr crisis, certainly, And that's kind of what the 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:10.040 question was about. I would imagine that had they bombed 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.719 one hundred thousand or you know, three hundred thousand or 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.200 whatever number it is that's there, then obviously there would 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:23.520 be a much more significant pushback that would overwhelm Israel's relationships, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.520 perhaps they're military, et cetera, because there would be a 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.440 much more significant response to this. So in other words, 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:34.000 keeping those numbers relatively low compared to what they could 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.480 do allows them to get the land. Now, again, I 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.680 can't say that that's the why, but it's starting to 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:45.400 look that way. So my question now is these and 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.360 if you ask for my sources, I have them right here, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:48.439 But for the sake of time, we're going. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:49.440 To get through them pretty quickly. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.040 There was a UN vote in December which highlighted the 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.680 shift away from support of Israel to the support of Palestine. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.920 One hundred and fifty three countries and the bodies General Assembly, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.080 the overwhelming majority voted in favor of an immediate ceasefire 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.120 humanitarian ceasefire, and that's an uptick from October. Of course, 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:13.199 since then, Biden has stated that, you know, Israel is 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.800 starting to lose support in the war due to indiscriminate 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.960 bombing that takes place. According to Time magazine, there's a 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:24.360 net favorability. The percentage of people viewing Israel positively after 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.560 subtracting the percentage viewing it negatively dropped globally by an 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.439 average of eighteen point five percent. So this shift away 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.559 from let's support Israel more toward let's support Palestine. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.359 I want to get an idea of how that hits. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.440 Do we still feel like Israel is doing the right 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:47.040 thing and everyone around the world is wrong, misinformed, anti Semitic, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.240 you know, whatever the case is. And this is where 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.760 we need some insight from a person who is so 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.520 not only intelligent but involved as you. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.520 So you drop a lot of stuff there, Yeah. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:00.080 Sorry about that. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.840 That's a right unpack some of it. So first of all, 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:10.600 let's let's talk about the motivation. The motivation the land park. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.600 So it just it isn't true, and we know it 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:18.880 isn't true because Israel willingly left Israel's zero zero intention 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.320 for the Gaza Strip to be part of Israel. Zero. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.960 How do I know that Israel left voluntarily? This doesn't 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.120 have to leave the Gaza Strip. It did. They said, 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.800 we're going to give that to you. You can run 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.080 it as you see fit. We're gonna have zero involvement. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.120 There's not, there was. There's not been a single Israeli 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.000 soldier in Gaza for almost two decades. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.360 So so if Israel has zero involvement there, then Israel 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.880 does not control their borders. It does not control their ports, 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.800 It does not control the water supply, it does not 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.400 control the electricity, the internet. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:51.960 So that's kind of tough. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:53.960 That's not true. That doesn't. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:56.920 Okay, go ahead, help me out. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.040 But first of all, Israel does not control their borders. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.160 It controls a board, it controls the border that it 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.480 bores Israel. Israel has again zero control over his border 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.920 in the south, zero, no involvement, not israe a soldier, 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.680 not a policy of decision, nothing. The southern border has 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.840 no connection Israel whatsoever. It only controls the northern border 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.400 or Israel obviously. So no, that's it's not true that 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.600 Israel controls its borders. Israel does control a lot of 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.760 the infrastructure, some of it, not all of it, some 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.280 of it because that's where the it controls it because 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.960 the electricity comes from Israel. The water some of it 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.920 comes from Israel, so obviously it controls it. Hamas decided 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:39.080 it wasn't going to build electrical infrastructure for itself because 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.280 that would mean it had to spend money for its 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.000 civilian infrastructure and not its terror arms. So it was 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.760 happy to have Israel provide all of electricity. So thisel 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.280 controls it because they provide it. If if Hamas or 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.680 the or the past that or the Gazans built their 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.640 own power plants, which they could have. By the way, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:00.200 they get billions of dollars in funding from abroad, and 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.240 for miserbel it is, we're also funds them. They could 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.480 have spent their money instead of building tunnels, they could 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.080 have built civil infrastructure. It decided not to do that. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.040 So the reason why controls it is because ISRAELA gives 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.080 it to them. Obviously, you're giving thing to somebody, you 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.680 could take it away, especially if you had went through 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.760 the brutality that it went through October seventh. So yes, 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.080 some of these are technically true, but when you start 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.240 putting context around it, it starts to make a little 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:24.720 more sense. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.040 Well, okay, so then there's another one here. Now be 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.760 that as it may, as far as I'm very. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.200 Clear, what I'm sorry, One more thing. The land thing 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.800 is a huge It is a conspiracy theory. Again, there's 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.640 zero Israel has has engaged in war with Gaza many 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:46.120 many times since they were given autonomy over the Gaza 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.520 Strip many times, and they've never taken one inch of territory. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.560 There's literally literally no evidence that this is an intention 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.840 of Israel, and it truly is a conspiracy theory. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.360 So so here, here's where I here's where. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.800 So this this I was just looking at something last night, right, 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.520 and I don't have it in my notes today because 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:10.359 again I found that I think it's nine I forget 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.920 the name of the magazine, but it's a Israeli owned magazine. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.360 It starts with the nine to three digits, but they 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.040 have a left bias. And then the source material that 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:27.359 the magazine was quoting had warnings that it sometimes uses 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:33.720 questionable information. So I didn't include it in my notes today. 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.400 But I saw the video, right, and the video purported 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.680 to have a Palestinian man's house being taken over, which 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.439 certainly reflects the reality that a lot of people on 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.120 the Palestinian side of things, certainly in the West Bank, 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.199 suggest is going on. There are people that are just 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.560 taking land, taking houses, withdrawing borders, these things. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:57.920 What. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.320 Okay, so so real quick, I've had people on. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.320 This who's taking over a house? You're taking like Israelis 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.040 are coming across the border and taking people's homes. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:10.919 Absolutely, and I saw the video for it last night 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:12.480 now at the time my notes because I didn't. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.880 But you can't believe that. That's not That's not a thing. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.159 There's no there's no zero. He's really civilians crossing the 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:25.560 border to Gossa zero zero z ro ramseys. I can't. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.680 I'm not sure I said it. Zero. This is all 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.600 this is None of this is happening, none of them, 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:33.560 I can, by the way, I say that. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.160 Sorry, it's okay, it's the radio. 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:41.160 Sorry, I told you of motion. I don't, I don't know. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.879 I don't know how else to. This is not this 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.080 is not reality. And you're you're you know me, I don't. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.919 I'm not. I'm not into hyperbole, right. 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:54.520 Okay, Okay, So so so here's here's where we have 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:55.919 to leave this because there's a lot more we need 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.480 to cover. I want to make sure that I state 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:03.159 two things. One is that there are people who have 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.720 lived experience who have brought it to me. I of 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.440 course don't live there, but they feel just as passionately 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.040 as you do. And they say that it has happened 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.760 to their family members. Their family members no longer lived 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.159 in the houses that are now occupied by Israeli people 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.440 in Gaza or in the West Bank, the West Bank 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.840 specifically as well, and real quick on me, those people 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:30.080 will be on next week to share their perspective on this. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:31.800 So I do want to move on because there's a 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:32.760 lot that we have to cover here. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.960 I don't want to Besmortis people. I'm telling you that 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.840 somebody tells you that they have a home the Israeli 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.639 citizens then crossed over to take in Gaza. I hate it. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.280 They're lying to you. They're lying to you, all right, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.480 and there will be no there's no evidence for that, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:47.400 zero evidence. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.040 So we're going to move through the rest of this 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:49.879 a little bit quicker. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.240 Talk to us a little bit about the many videos 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.159 that are coming out that are showing sort of that 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:03.879 misconduct of the IDF and the humiliate, the humiliation of 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.600 the dozens. So so, how does that hit you when 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.840 you see those videos? Real quick, give me like thirty seconds. 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:13.000 Yeah, so there, of course, when you're in war, forget 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.159 about the general the general amount of death in the war, 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.600 but there's going to be misconduct, an ethical, moral behavior 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.400 by certain soldiers. And there's no doubt to me that 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:22.359 some of that has occurred. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.440 Okay, now it hits me very poor, real quick, real quick. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.600 I want to make sure that we're addressing the fact 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.480 that it's quite prevalent. So so so please continue. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.159 Yeah, I'm not sure how. I'm not sure how. I 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:35.879 don't think it's that prevalent. I think that when you 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.240 have this kind of this kind of war, the amount 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.879 of battles going on, if it happens, I don't know, 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:42.320 with the number ten twenty fifth, I don't know. I 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.920 just make up a number. I don't know. It's not prevalent. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.359 It happens. They're isolated. And by the way, when videos 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.520 come out of this stuff, they get punished in court martial. 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.800 That shows you how serious Israel takes it. They court 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.840 martial and arrest people who they have proof, are creating, 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.720 are having misconduct, or behaving them morally in times of war. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:00.639 Thank you for that. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.919 I want to move on to what was it like 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.840 watching the video of the US soldier Aaron Bush Now 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:13.560 when he set himself on fire yelling free Palestine. Did 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.119 that give you pause to suggest that maybe there are 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.760 people who are sincerely hopeful for a free Palestine at 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:20.560 some point in the future. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:23.080 I'm sure there are a lot of people who are 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.800 hopeful and want that and so so. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.439 To go to that degree, did that? How was that 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.399 discussed in circles that you're familiar with. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.720 I mean, you know, it's it was. It was horrific 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.960 to watch and but and again I don't want to 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.239 be callous about it, but I mean, he's just it 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.639 was it was for him to die for this was 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:47.320