1 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Hi, how are you. 2 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: I'm good. How are you? 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm good. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 3: I'm sorry if I just went in the ocean because 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 3: I was here for like Miami Swing Week and it 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 3: was on. 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: Dude, you looked fucking amazing. 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: Thank you. 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: I appreciate hav Well. Look, I'm above forty. I know 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: what it takes to keep your body snatched past that age. 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: So you literally gave the young chicks a run for 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: their money. And that's always fun, isn't it. 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure you've done that as well. 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: I don't care anymore, so I don't even try. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: I've never cared. I don't. 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: I never cared. I don't like I was talking about 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: it today. I did a post about like everyone's like, 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: what do you do and what do you do? I don't. 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: I walk. 20 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: That's all I do is walk. I don't do weights. 21 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: I don't go to the gym. I think people do 22 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: too much and they like beat themselves up and it's 23 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: like fear based. And I just feel like I look 24 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: natural because I add natural. I just have always just 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: wanted to walk and have a good relationship with food 26 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: and exercise. And I think women are struggling and like 27 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: beating the shit out of themselves trying to get to somewhere. 28 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: And I think every want to say is this show 29 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 3: did show me women really appreciating their own bodies like 30 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 3: they were very It was a lot of empowerment. 31 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: They really did love their bodies. 32 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: See I binge on the weekends and I kill myself 33 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: in the gym, but I love it. But that's because 34 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: I'm an addictive personality. So I had to find something 35 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: healthy to do. And the healthy thing for me to 36 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: do is to work out, and I really enjoy Like Saturdays, 37 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: I'll eat like two pizzas and like six cinnamon rolls 38 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: until I feel like it was Thanksgiving Day. I'm like 39 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: puking in my mind. I've got yeah. But then the 40 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: next day I'm eating cottage cheese and two good yogurts 41 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: and like you know, chicken breast and some asparagus because 42 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: I yeah, I feel like you have to live. And 43 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: because of what I used to do, I know, ever 44 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: got to enjoy food. And I'm Italian, so I want food. 45 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: So now I give that one day where I whatever 46 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: I want until I can't. 47 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: But that brings up a good point because that's your 48 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: version of self regulation. 49 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: That's your version of your relationship with food. 50 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: If if you feel healthy about it, if it makes 51 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: you feel good and you're not triggered by it or 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: concerned by that's your version. For me, I organize. My 53 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: addiction is organizing things. Everything has to be in order. 54 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's a response or it's as 55 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: a result of my childhood, but like mine. 56 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: Is things in order. 57 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 3: But it was a lot of messages this weekend about 58 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: all of this and women and the struggle and thirty 59 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: year olds saying a lot of this, which is weird, 60 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: Like a lot of thirty year olds saying you make 61 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 3: me feel like I'm not I haven't peaked yet, and 62 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: like I could have my era at any age. Like 63 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: the woman who works for me is thirty one, and 64 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 3: she's like, I don't feel great about myself. I feel 65 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 3: like I'm not at my best now after my baby, 66 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: but like now you make me fe like I have 67 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: so much time, you know, to figure it all out. 68 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: And then women my age are saying, thank you for 69 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: not making everybody think that we're just like old and 70 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: washed up. 71 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: Like so it hit two things at this end. 72 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: It hit the women that are your age saying wow, 73 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: like look at like It just gave a perspective to age, 74 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: which I think was unexpected by even me, by Sports Illustrated. 75 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: I think it just like has become this thing that 76 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: means so much more than what it actually was. 77 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: See you're like the uh, I guess the TikTok version 78 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: of Dame Helen Mirren who peaked later on in life, 79 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: and everyone's like, who's this hot bitch? Look at her? 80 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: And I mean, she's started peaking hard and she's still peaking. 81 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: She's in that mob show. She looks great. That's funny, 82 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: That's right. Would not that be good? 83 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: Would you? 84 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: That's a good trajectory. Yeah, so maybe, but nothing's nothing 85 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: of that was intentional. I'd just like to find the 86 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: meaning and things, and so it cannot be just like 87 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: walking down a runway. As you know better than anyone. 88 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: And I asked, I wanted you. 89 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: I've never met you. I know who you are. 90 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: Remember you were on the show with it was it 91 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: Greg Braid which Brady and you. 92 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: Were married, and that's what I remember. 93 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: You want to show you on Top Model and I'm 94 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: so sorry, no, but that was that was a big 95 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: media moment and I remember you from that and I've 96 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: always remembered you as like a fun sort of wild model, 97 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: and then I was just scrolling and I saw you 98 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: talking about selling Avon And it was right after having 99 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: Susan powder On here telling me that she was an 100 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: uber driver in Vegas and delivered food to Louis c 101 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: K's house, and like there was like this moment about 102 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: like people who everybody saw a certain way in society 103 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 3: and media and fame, and it just like was weird 104 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: that I saw you right after that, and it was 105 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: just like, I don't know. I just was like I 106 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: want to talk to her about what this journey has 107 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: been and like what that was about. 108 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. So my season of Top Model, I 109 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: was the only winner that won no money, zero dollars, Like. 110 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 111 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: That means there was no money in my win I got, 112 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: I got a title. Well, they lied to our season 113 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: and then they voiceovered what Tyra was saying. They told 114 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 2: us we were going to be a Revlon cover girl, 115 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: and Revlon told me afterwards we had no intention of 116 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: doing that. And then when it aired on TV, you 117 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: can ask any girl from my season, They're like they 118 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: changed everything Tyra said to us. She was telling us 119 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: we were going to be this huge Revlon like superstar, 120 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: because I don't think any of us would have fought 121 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: as hard as we did for what the prize really was, 122 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: which is the title. So I always joke because people 123 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: are like, you still call yourself America's next Top Model, 124 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: and Mike, it's the only fucking thing I won. I'm 125 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: gonna put it on my tombstone bed. 126 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 127 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 3: Well wow, that's crazy because some of the girls. Was 128 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: Kenley Collins on that or was she only a design show? 129 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: There were some girls who come through my messages a 130 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: lot because people from Project Runway and people with a 131 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: model they get mixed in together with me. But like 132 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: they reached out to me because of the Reality Reckoning 133 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 3: and they're all like telling me all these crazy stories 134 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: and like this is another one. You must have definitely 135 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: seen the Reality Reckoning stuff and been like jumping up 136 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: and down on your couch like, oh my god, like yes, right. 137 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: You know what's really funny is everyone wanted me to 138 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 2: dog pile on Tyra Banks when twenty twenty was happening 139 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: and everyone was getting pissed, and I was like, no, 140 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: because if anyone has a right to be mad at her. 141 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: It's me and I'm over it. I don't give a 142 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: shit anymore. What she taught me was the truth of entertainment. 143 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: It's cutthroat. You can't trust everybody, and everyone is lying 144 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: to you. So she actually gave me a great lesson 145 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: and the show was just a avenue for her to 146 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: propel herself into something else after she aged out of modeling. 147 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: I see that now, and if I can let it go, 148 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: everyone else can. It was funny because everyone's like, oh, 149 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: she did this, she did that. But then I would 150 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: look at the people who watched the show and I'm like, yeah, 151 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: but you watched it, you made it popular. It's your 152 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: fault too. 153 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could say that about the house So the 154 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: thing I have to say about that is the game 155 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: moves fast when you're the talent in that situation, and 156 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: it's really the production company. 157 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Totally, and she's part of it. 158 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: But like as a housewife, like we're moving drama, we're 159 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: not thinking, you know, when when someone's calling, When Teresa's calling, 160 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: Danielle saw a prostitution horror on national television. 161 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: She's not thinking about the. 162 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: Fact that Andy Cohen's gonna unwatch what Happens Live have 163 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: that song like that sound like prostitution makes make rap 164 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: songs out of it, and that it's gonna be at 165 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: the Bravocon They're gonna have like a reenactment of Prostitution War. 166 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: There's a person that, no matter what. 167 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: She's done in her life, has two daughters that will 168 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: see her as the prostitution War. That's like the production 169 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: I think more not that Tyre wasn't part of it. 170 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: It was her show, but I'm. 171 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: Not even doing I don't know Tyra Banks, And all 172 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: I'm saying is just interesting. The machine, it's a toxic 173 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: machine where the ratings are by any means necessary ratings, right, 174 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: any it does not matter what it takes to get there. 175 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: And you're right about the entertainment industry. 176 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: And now it's probably scario because you know, people don't 177 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: watch as much because they're watching another phone. 178 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 179 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: What do you think of all that I said? I 180 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: may'd be wrong. 181 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: I want to hear because I didn't watch the show 182 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: that much. The audience takes the drug and they're addicted. 183 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: You know, you know John Ham and very famous people 184 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: go on watch rapids live and last at these housewives 185 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: shows that I was part of, that like do ruin 186 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: some people's lives. Not everybody's, but there are a lot 187 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: of casualties from these shows. 188 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: And you're you know, yes, I agree. 189 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: I went into post production on a show with Antonio 190 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: Sopato Junior called Maya, Antonio and VH one because I 191 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: wanted to learn the ends and outs and I wanted 192 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 2: to be able to do post production work. And I did, 193 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: and I helped vilify I wanted the contestants. Sure, she 194 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: was kind of a villain, but I might have tweaked 195 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: it a little bit to make her look worse. And 196 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: I'll never forget it was the premiere party or the 197 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: rap party. She came up to me and she was 198 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: upset and she's like, you understand more than anyone what 199 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: they can do to you. And I felt like the 200 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: most rotten, soulless human being on earth. And I tapped 201 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: out of post production. I never did it again because 202 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, man, I just jumped right into the machine. 203 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: And I was so eager to please the executive producers 204 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: and stuff like, look, I'm a hard worker. I'm more 205 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: than just talent. I can actually work on a show 206 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with and be bad ass 207 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: that I was helping. You know, Frank can bite conversations 208 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: to make them worse than what they were, and I 209 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,359 Speaker 2: was the asshole. 210 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 3: Here's the problem. You put me on the Sports Illustrated show. 211 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: You give me direction, you tell me you have fun. 212 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 3: You go out there, you be yourself. I went out there. 213 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: I danced like I was in my own bathroom. I 214 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: understood the assignment. And even in lorel when I wear 215 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: giraffes shoes and I walked down like a giraffe like 216 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: they said, you do what you want to do. 217 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: I said, Okay. 218 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: My point is I show up on time and I 219 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: always land it whatever it is, or I don't go. 220 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: So you go on reality television. I'm on the housewise, 221 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: I'm there to make shit happen. Other people are supposed 222 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: to be there for the same reason. If you're Tinsley Mortimer, 223 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: a very lovely, sweet girl, you get caught in the 224 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: crossfire of what we're doing in the goal of this show. 225 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of the way. You shouldn't be here. 226 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: Then we're you know, we're here to kill people. So 227 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: that's the problem. That was what the nature of the 228 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: Beast was. The Beast was create a show, make ratings, 229 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: make drama. 230 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: That's what Hedi did, That's what Spencer did, That's what 231 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: you know. 232 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: So it's really the responsibility is the teacher has to 233 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: have some control over the classroom totally. 234 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: And that's why when people are like, well, aren't you 235 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: mad at Tyra, I'm like, no, Tyra was a snake 236 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: and a pit of vipers that learned how to survive exactly, 237 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: So why would I be mad at her? For literally 238 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: her entire life since she was like fourteen, she was 239 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: in modeling, which is the viper pit of all viper pits. 240 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: She is a product of her entire life, and I'm 241 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 2: like whatever, Like she's just trying to breathe and live, 242 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: so period. 243 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you and also, you know, business is hard 244 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 3: and being an entertainment person, being a talent and being 245 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: a business person, being a creative and a business person 246 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: is not easy. I mean, if you listen to Susan 247 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: Powder talk about the fact that she sold it was 248 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: three hundred million dollars and she's an uber driver because 249 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: you're listening to people around you, it's the game is fast, 250 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: so it's like we're doing this, we're doing that. 251 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: That sounds good. 252 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: You don't know where to go, and the person who 253 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: says that saying that they're going to take care of 254 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: you and handle it. You just want someone to handle it, 255 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: so you sign up with someone and then they you know, 256 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: it's what happens to the boy band. 257 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: So you never made any money? Like did you ever 258 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: make any money? Like what happened? And what do you 259 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: do for a living? 260 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: I mean I made enough money to pay Los Angeles bills, 261 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: Like I was living in a shitty one bedroom apartment 262 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: in Hancock Part that was twenty three one hundred dollars 263 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: a month and it was like a closet, you know 264 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: what I mean. So I made enough to survive. But 265 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: I've never been like rich, and I'm cool with that, 266 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: Like I'm totally fine. So when I was thirty two 267 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: years old, I was tired of being touted as a 268 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: sex symbol. And I met my now husband, who's a 269 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: good old Kentucky boy gentleman, and I'm like, I want 270 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: to have a normal life with a guy that doesn't 271 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: treat me as a trophy, who like values me and 272 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: not covets me, but uh protects me and doesn't want 273 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: me to be seeking the validation of men and like 274 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: sexy inser posts and stuff. I was just tired of 275 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: that for me. 276 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: So, so you're soul crushing, you're warning yeah? 277 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 3: No. 278 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. When I was young, and I remember my management, 279 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: everybody was like, why are you acting like you're seventy 280 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: years old? You have a solid ten more years to earn, 281 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but I'd feel like I'm gonna 282 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: be losing my soul. So I said no to a 283 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff. And I actually lost my apartment 284 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: at thirty two years old, and my husband had me 285 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: move in with them because like, I hit rock bottom 286 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: because I was saying no to crap I didn't want 287 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: to do because I just didn't want to feel exploited anymore. 288 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 3: I get it, I yeah, but when you jump, you fly. 289 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: When you decide who you are and what you don't 290 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 3: want to do, that was me leaving housewise, my whole 291 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: life changed after I thought I was like sort of 292 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: semi retiring and only gonna do this podcast at my 293 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: philanthropy and the things that caught me appearances. 294 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: That come out of living in truth and walking out. 295 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: I ended up creating this career, which is awesome, crazy, 296 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: but I wasn't even I didn't even try, and now 297 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: I am leaning into it, but it's because of the 298 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: truth of it. If I was like trying to be 299 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: the last one on the House Lives noticed to take 300 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 3: the big check, I was getting a lot of money. 301 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: I would have been my soul would have been crushed. 302 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: And while HSN is great, I didn't like doing it. 303 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: I've never, once I've been somewhat successful, done anything that 304 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: I don't feel good about doing. I don't like if 305 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: I only do I feel I don't do it no 306 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: matter what it is. 307 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and basically I've been offered like reality TV show 308 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: jobs at sure there's a paycheck, and yeah, I could 309 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: really use that money, but at what costs? So I 310 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: just said no. And then like a few years later, 311 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: I was like, what am I going to do with myself? 312 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: I thought I was going to be a personal trainer, 313 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: But what I found after certifying is just a bunch 314 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: of dudes that wanted to train with me, which I 315 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: didn't find appropriate, Like me and my husband, like, that's 316 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: that's asking for trouble. I wouldn't feel good if a 317 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: bunch of checks just wanted to train with my husband 318 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: and jail so I was like, this can't be for me. 319 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: So one day I had a myomectomy. I had a 320 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: benign tumor on mac. I had that, yeah, so they 321 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: had to take it out. And while I was high 322 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: on percoset, I watched Edward Scissorhands and I saw peg 323 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: the Avon Lady, and high as a kite, I guess 324 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: I was like, Avon's still around, and I signed up 325 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: to sell it. I didn't remember, and the kitch showed 326 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: up at my house and I was like, well, I 327 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: have nothing else to do. And I thought I was 328 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: going to make fun of it and like do reviews 329 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: about how much it sucks ass, and then I ended 330 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: up just loving it and I started selling it. So 331 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: it's funny. People are like, what do you want to do, 332 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I just want to be the best 333 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: save On Lady on Earth. That's what I'm going to do. 334 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: And people laugh and I'm like, laugh it up, bitch, 335 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: like I'm having a good time. 336 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: Avon's great. I saw their recent line. 337 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: They sent me their recent line of all like the 338 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,359 Speaker 3: vitamin C and like the packaging is amazing. 339 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: This stuff is good. 340 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: But I would imagine you could make I think you're 341 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 3: laughing because you were actually making decent money, like good 342 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: money selling it. 343 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: I was, I was until a few years ago when 344 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: the economy just tanked into the ground. Like it's been 345 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: a struggle. I'm trying to rebuild my little Avon empire. 346 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: I'm not the top of Avon lady anymore. I'm getting 347 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: my ass handed to me, and I think that's awesome. 348 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: But wait, but did Avon reach out to you after 349 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: your article. I'd imagine they wouldn't. Well, no, I mean 350 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: we know each other like they know me. I know them. 351 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: I'm in an independent rep basically, so I'm like, I 352 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: don't speak for them. Thank God for them, the poor fuckers, 353 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: like if I was their mouthpiece. But yeah, I just 354 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: I just want to sell Avan dude, and live in 355 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: the mountains and tell everyone in Hollywood to go fuck themselves, 356 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: not you. That's how I feel. 357 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: No wonder you said yes it did. 358 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: Podcast. 359 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: I think I s have a podcast. It's what I 360 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: think you are very do. 361 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: I like the way you speak, your very articulate, and 362 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: like your foughts that you're super polarizing an edgy but 363 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: like make perfect sense. 364 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: I think you should have like a really I think 365 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: you should have like an reverend podcast. 366 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: We'll see. I guess what. I like to call it 367 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: decompressing from narcissistic traits, because my therapist said I wasn't 368 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: a narcissist to go in there to be like, oh 369 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: my god, I don't want to be a narcissist. She's like, well, 370 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 2: then you're not, because no narcissist gives a shit about 371 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: being a narcissist. But I feel like, I don't know, 372 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: I don't I'm not chasing the dragon anymore of like relevancy, No. 373 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: I got it. I mean as a self expression, I 374 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 3: don't do. I'm in a bathing suit, wet from the ocean. 375 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: I just sat there for you. Oh, Like I'm excited 376 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: to talk to her. When I talk about nothing, it 377 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: does way better than when I talk to like a 378 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 3: big time celebrity. Like the people just want to hear 379 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: people express themselves, and you seem very honest. 380 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: So I feel like, well, I kind of like this, 381 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: meaning like you don't have like a whole bunch of 382 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: fucking like stage and bullshit. Like that's so much better 383 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: I think, and life like you could do that. 384 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: I think that's what I'm saying you don't have feel 385 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: like it doesn't have to be anything. 386 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: You should do it yourself. 387 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: And why do I feel like no one would give 388 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: a fuck? 389 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: Though you never know. 390 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: If twenty people listen and give a fuck, maybe after 391 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: this they'll give a fuck. But we'll find out. You 392 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: ask my team what the people in the comments said. 393 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 3: Guys in the comments, do you like this? And do 394 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: you give a fuck? Okay, so what do you think 395 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: about modeling now? Like? What is modeling? So you go 396 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 3: out like, so I didn't understand. I thought, let's use 397 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 3: sports ollsced as an example. Let's talk about Victoria's Secret, 398 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: and let's talk about you know what modeling is now? 399 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 3: So now you have Kendall Jenner, Gigi Hadid and people 400 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 3: who and and Lisa Brenna's daughters, and there's a lot 401 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 3: of it's got it's got nepo baby to it, which 402 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 3: I call my daughter the nepo baby because you've got 403 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 3: Lisa Brenna's daughters. And I don't believe that without that 404 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: sort of platform, or Gigi and Bella and the mom's platform, 405 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: I believe it has to contribute. And maybe it doesn't, 406 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 3: but it has to. And so I'm growing up in 407 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: Beverly Hills. And then also like presumably in different areas 408 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: of modeling and brands hiring models, they're hiring Instagram models 409 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 3: or social media models because they have a following. 410 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: So there's like there's so many. 411 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: Different roads in now and then now there's more inclusivity, 412 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: and so at Sports Illustrated this weekend, I was asking 413 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: the different women like I didn't understand the process. So, 414 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 3: like I said to this girl at this club, I said, so, like, 415 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: and how long have you been doing this? And she's like, 416 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: I auditioned for five years and I finally got it. 417 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: And I'm like, You're like, are you a model? 418 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: Like model to begin with? 419 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: She's like, no, I'm a fitness My mom is Denise Austin, 420 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 3: and I'm a I teach videos and I do like 421 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: fitness and diet like eating coach. 422 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: I go oh, And I was like, oh. 423 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: So you're like quote unquote a regular person that auditioned. 424 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 3: And then there was another woman I think it's Tonday 425 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: and she's a peloton and stru so I didn't understand 426 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 3: like the way and another woman said at forty years old, 427 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: she got it. So that's like a very unique way 428 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: that these women are saying like I'm a model, So 429 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: like I always say I'm a super model, I think 430 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: I actually am now because if the girl who's the 431 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: fitness person and whatever. 432 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm a model too. 433 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: Now you know it's depending on the household names. So 434 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: I guess you could coin yourself that. Janie Dickinson just 435 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: told everyone choose the world's first supermodel, and now that's 436 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: how everyone knows there. So just own it, say it 437 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: and make it so right. 438 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: But I mean it's because when I was growing up, 439 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: like you had to be. Kate Moss was disruptive because 440 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: she was five seven, Like that was disruptive. Like that 441 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: was like you had to be. There was a wool, 442 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: you had to be over five to nine. 443 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: None of this would have happened in my day. I'll 444 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 2: tell you. I've sat in Wilhelmina Models during the open 445 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: calls waiting for my you know, sheet of where I 446 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 2: was going to do go season the day, and I 447 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: would hear the agents talking about girls. If you came 448 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: in there and notice filler in your face or plastic surgery, goodbye. 449 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: They wanted to wow natural only. So I would say 450 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: ninety percent of the people modeling today, when you have 451 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: to remember Christy Turlington, Naomi Campbell, Nikki Taylor, Cindy Crawford Day. Yeah, 452 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 2: these weren't faces that were touched by science. This was 453 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: natural and like Christy Turlington, Stephanie Seymour, they had little 454 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: quirks that worked from like a little wonk to the eye, 455 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: but in the cutest way. 456 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: Well Inton had his face between her tea. 457 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: Yes, So it was like elitists like they wanted natural 458 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: goddesses that looked like an alien, beam them down and 459 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: they would take no less. 460 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: So if you get that, But the reason I get 461 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: that is because Lebron has a god given talent. Yes 462 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: he's worked on it, but he has a god given talent. 463 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: So what I guess, what I'm saying is if I'm 464 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 3: little girl you know who is, think she's overweight or 465 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: not like traditionally thin or short or broken out or 466 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 3: has a birthmark in her face, says I want to 467 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 3: be a model? 468 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: What is she saying she wants to be? What is 469 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: a model? 470 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: Now? 471 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: Because I don't even necessarily have a problem with the 472 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 3: fact that they were all aliens that were stunning, because 473 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: that Lebron's an alien too, and there's nothing wrong with that, like, 474 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 3: it's just what it is. A jockey. You're born shorter. 475 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 3: You cannot be a six foot jockey in the in 476 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: the in the Kentucky Derby. 477 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: So I'm still yeah, Well, it's like if if in 478 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: the industry becomes something anyone can do, then as you're saying, 479 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: what is it anymore, like if anyone could be an 480 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: NFL player, if anyone could be in the NBA, Like 481 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: if I can maybe hit one basket out of a 482 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: whole game because God blessed me with that one basket 483 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,239 Speaker 2: and then I sucked the rest of the time. Like 484 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: I don't know anymore. 485 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: Pat, do you tell your daughter, yes you can be 486 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: a model, because what is she think she wants to be? 487 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: What is famous? Just famous? I think relevant? Chasing the 488 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: dragon of that fifteen minutes of glory, I think. But 489 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, you know. 490 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 3: But but as Sports Illustrated Swims model, I can tell 491 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 3: you now what that is and what that is now 492 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 3: because I was there and I was shocked and you 493 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 3: would be shocked by it. 494 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: I was back. 495 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: So this is my experience. I come in. I don't know. 496 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: I know there's a magazine that every year. 497 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: I think it was in February would have all these 498 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: gorgeous women, and I remember Kathy Island was also disruptive 499 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 3: because she was super like forty like and they were 500 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: pushing the envelope with different types like then I guess 501 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: later I think it was Kate Upton and she was 502 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 3: more curvy, and I was like, wait, wow, that wasn't 503 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: what we grew up with, the model and so they 504 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: started pushing the envelope. But then years later you'd see 505 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: like other people and I never understood, like what I 506 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: just wasn't. 507 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: It just wasn't. I wasn't the audience for I don't 508 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: understand it. 509 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 3: So now I'm there and I'm backstage, and I think, 510 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 3: like everyone's what I used to think was a model, 511 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 3: Like there's a swimsuit model. 512 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: So I think everybody's gonna. 513 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 3: Be five nine, five ten and blonde and sin and 514 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 3: look like everybody's gonna look the same. So I'm like, 515 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: we oh, we're your sport, you're a peloton. 516 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: Oh. 517 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: So I'm like everyone there was so into themselves in 518 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 3: the best possible way. 519 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: Like like it was contagious. It was like it was 520 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: the embodiment. 521 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: Of like I love my body, I love my ass, 522 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: I love my curves, I love my lines, I love 523 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 3: my my cell like and it was like they picked women, 524 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 3: but who could rock something? Like? Who could rock something 525 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: despite not being traditionally tall, short, sin, whatever. 526 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: You're s I think it works for lingerie and bikinis, 527 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: but I'll tell you, as someone who used to be like, oh, 528 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: like someone shorter could model like a beautiful evening gown, 529 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: it's harder to model things as not a five to 530 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: eleven person because all of a sudden, the instead of 531 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: the dress wearing the model and the dress being on display, 532 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: it becomes about the model and not the dress. Now 533 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: with bikinis you want to and lingerie you want to 534 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: show it on bodies to you know, show women you're 535 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: going to look good. But I'll tell you that I 536 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: don't think certain clothes look good on someone who's five 537 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: foot five walking down a runway because I stop looking 538 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: at the clothes and I start looking at the girl. 539 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: That brings it back. 540 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: So being a model originally was the people that were 541 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 3: chosen to highlight the clothes because of the sizes, like 542 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: the samples. 543 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: So right, okay, so make sense. 544 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 3: And these women are showcasing all of this swimen different 545 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: body tapt. I loved it, and I think they did 546 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: an amazing job of bringing us to twenty twenty five 547 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: without it being performative and girl Boss and BS where 548 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: those people go backstage, were like there to help you succeed. 549 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: The girls wanted me to win and do better than them, 550 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: Like I never saw anything like it. It's the opposite 551 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: of what you experienced. Like there are these girls like, no, 552 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: you're not going to tip your hat at the end. 553 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 3: You know why you're getting that fucking money shot. Your 554 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: body is tea. You stopped there, that's your money, Like, 555 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: that's what the girls who are there. 556 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 2: I'm jealous. You guys actually looked like you had fun. 557 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,239 Speaker 2: We were modeling for me was not fun and you 558 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: didn't get to walk down the runway having a good time. 559 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 2: You were expected to do a certain thing. Oh and 560 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: it was competitive. This was like the opposite. This was 561 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: shocking more than the show itself. 562 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 3: That was what I thought was a beautiful thing for 563 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 3: my daughter who's fifteen now, and her body came in 564 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: and she's not used to this spine and she's got 565 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 3: a woman's spot. 566 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: Like for women that like that to be like. 567 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: No, you own that body, that you were given like 568 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 3: I just you like they I'm fifty four, they were. 569 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: Most of the girls were in her twenties, so it 570 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: was like it was very It's great that I'm talking 571 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: to you right now after this experience. It's like poetic 572 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 3: because it was the opposite of what you experienced. To 573 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 3: be honest, would that be more opposite of what you 574 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 3: experienced on America's next topic. 575 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: I think it's awesome. And I've always been of the 576 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: belief that when it comes to lingerie and bikinis that 577 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: you should show a piloth of different body shapes and 578 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: how these garments are gonna make them look. You know 579 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 2: what I mean? 580 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, make true too. 581 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: That makes sense because these two garments are all about 582 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: the body and accentuating it. So when you would put 583 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: rail thin chicks in it, like I've I've always had boobs, 584 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: except for now because I had an X plant. Let's 585 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: not get into that. I lost a lot of my 586 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: natural breast, But prior to that one, it's my real 587 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: sea cup boobies. I always had boobs. So i'd see 588 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: models in with no chest, I'm like, oh, I'll buy that, 589 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 2: and I'd get it, and then I'd look obscene because 590 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: it was like all cleavage everywhere, and I was like, 591 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 2: that's not how she looked. Damn it. 592 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: Well let's talk about that going into swimsuit season, which 593 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 3: is such an insecure time for people walking into a dressroom. 594 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: I want to say this. 595 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: I am the person I have never put a song 596 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: on in my entire life, and I wear mostly one 597 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: pieces now. 598 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: Because I just do. 599 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: I because I feel in my mind a construct like 600 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: I'm looking like that desperate older woman trying to cling 601 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: on and wear a bikini. 602 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: My best friend's like, I don't know why with your 603 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: body you're not wearing bikinis. I'm like, I don't know. 604 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: I just like the elegance of it and the saying 605 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 3: I know my age and I know. 606 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: Where I am, et cetera. 607 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: So let's park that because I do like like that, 608 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 3: and that is part of who I am where I 609 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: would never put on a thong. That's how I feel, right, 610 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 3: I agree with you. So I have a certain construct 611 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: about who should wear what, including myself. After this show, 612 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: I swoart to that there was a bathing sit they 613 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: gave us that was a thong one piece. I was 614 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: gonna wear it today, not because like I'm trying to 615 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 3: show up. I was just going on my beach walk. 616 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 3: I was gonna wear it because like, I wasn't gonna 617 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: fucking wear the thong because I did the show and 618 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: I had picked my two beating suits, and I said 619 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: to the editor in chief the one of the ones 620 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: who was the one piece, like, go, I like that 621 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 3: to one piece because I still know that I'm a 622 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 3: mom and I know how old I am. Whatever I say, 623 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: all this bullshit that I don't know is bullshit. Yet 624 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 3: I'm in the dressing room and the woman who one 625 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: of the women who works there, her hand comes in 626 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 3: and I'm trying bathings to son after just for fun, 627 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: we've already picked the two and I go, is this 628 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 3: and she's like, yup, And it's a thong like but 629 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 3: not a thong, like a literal piece of string up. 630 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: Your ass string. 631 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, that's the difference. So so I go, I 632 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 3: go okay, and I'm laughing because it's a joke. And 633 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: I put it on and I start to put the 634 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: top on it. I'm like, wait what And I come 635 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: out and that's when they're like, we're giving this bitch 636 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: a third look because we. 637 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: All I don't think any of us thought. And I 638 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: was like, okay. 639 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: And when I was at that show, there were evy 640 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 3: girls rocking little bikinis, and I thought it looked great. 641 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: But I would never have if I was shopping with 642 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: those girls, I wouldn't have suggested that they put those 643 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: on because of the constructs that we've had. And I 644 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: swear after that show, I thought, like every freaking girl 645 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 3: and every size wearing a bikini, wear whatever you want. 646 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 3: It felt they really landed for me. Was I have 647 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 3: a different feeling about it now. 648 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: You know what's funny is one, I haven't more on 649 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 2: a song and so long, i'd be terrified that all 650 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: I would do is pick my butt publicly because I 651 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: would feel something that's a functional problem. Yeah. And then two, 652 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm so over being looked at in that way that 653 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: I would just cover my ass because I don't want 654 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: anyone to look at me. 655 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 656 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: No, And I would understand if someone wasn't, I guess 657 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: objectified the way I was for that long. And they're 658 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: like feeling themselves now that they'd want to get a 659 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: little taste of that. The thing is, I ate from 660 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: that table. It's not that good. I'm good. I'm over it. 661 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: I could wear it. 662 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: You had an identity that was based on showing your look. 663 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 3: So that's truah, and that makes a perfect sense to me. Yeah. 664 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: I just mean, as I raised a fifteen year old daughter, 665 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 3: I'm thinking of things completely differently, and I just if 666 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 3: I can only give her one thing, it would be 667 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 3: like that she would be backstage with me and like 668 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: walking down that runway to like see how those girls 669 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: like love their body whatever it is, Like it was 670 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 3: just so contagious and so I like that message. And 671 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 3: I just think that there's part of this in society 672 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 3: that's changed about let's say modeling, which you can speak 673 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: to that I like this part that I just experienced 674 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: because it was like it's positive for women. 675 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I have to agree. And again, when we're 676 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: purchasing something that's supposed to accentuate our bodies and like 677 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: the best of ways where you're like half naked, it's 678 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: nice to see all different body types showing you what 679 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: this stuff will look like on your body, as opposed 680 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: to this inhuman alien that's been shot down from the 681 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: planet Zultron with this perfect body that you know none 682 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: of us can obtain or we don't have like, if 683 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: you have hips, you want to see somebody in something 684 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: that has some hips to see what that's going to 685 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: look like on you. That's just how I feel. 686 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 3: But also to the point of the era that you 687 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: came up in of being a vapid, vacant lookoff and 688 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: gazed and don't have fun and don't dance, and you're 689 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: not human, You're a hangar, I would say, honestly speaking 690 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: with the long hair I had and the glazel over 691 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: my body and the bathing suits and a song. I 692 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: just walked down that runway like in some version where 693 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 3: I rocked it as like a model, Like just walking, 694 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 3: what are you going to costume trying to be a model? 695 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 3: I was myself having fun, Like what I looked like 696 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 3: was like accentuating it. But I was genuinely being myself 697 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 3: and I was happy. And I think the reason it's 698 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 3: landing for all these women with all these body types 699 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: that are not part of the content, thinking it should 700 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: be they walk I saw their personalities first. I think 701 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 3: people saw me being alive and happy first, and everything 702 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: else came together. I think it all it's about being happy, 703 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 3: and you were miserable doing what you were doing and 704 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 3: everybody on America's Top Model seems to have been miserable, 705 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 3: and everybody here's modeling. 706 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: Here was funny. It's personality driven now, like influencers and 707 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: all this stuff, it's all personality driven. I was told 708 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: in modeling that I need to tone it the fuck down, 709 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: that it's not about me or who I am, just 710 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: shut the fuck up and do my job. And that's 711 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: when I went into more reality TV and I went 712 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: and did the Surreal Life because I was like, fine, 713 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: I'll go and make money being who I am since 714 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 2: you people think I need to shut the f up 715 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: and stop being made like. I would be on sets 716 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: with a bunch of models that they just wouldn't speak. 717 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: It'd just be like sitting there and getting their makeup done, 718 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, this is some bullshit, oh ladies, 719 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: and everyone's looking at me like what. Or if a 720 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: photographer was gross, I'd just call them out on it 721 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: right there. I'd be like, bro, like what are you doing? 722 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: And everyone's like, oh, I can't believe you said, And 723 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm like what is this? Like what am I in? 724 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: Okay? So that's what I think the real difference is. 725 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: That's what I think, and I actually think fashion should 726 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 3: take a note out of this book. So here's what 727 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 3: I think. Like, I do not I can afford anything 728 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 3: I want. I don't have a stylist. Now, I think 729 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 3: I dress fairly well. If I want to go out 730 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 3: to something, I think I can rock something. I always 731 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 3: create something in my mind creatively about where I'm going 732 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: to be, what I want to wear, what I want 733 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: to put it with, how I want to do my hair, 734 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 3: like I come up with a little thing, you know, 735 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 3: and not long like I'll just and I. 736 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: Always shot my own closet. 737 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 3: So now people who get invited to the met Gala, 738 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: oh or fashion icons are people whose stylists choose their 739 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: entire look head to toe. Now a little assistance is 740 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: something calling a designer's one thing. But there are people 741 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 3: who do not dress or seem anything like what they 742 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 3: used to look like, because they are now dressed as 743 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 3: a stylist like painting. 744 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: And I don't think that that's fashion. 745 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 3: And what's interesting is that Anna Wintour herself has basically said, 746 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 3: and so Tom Ford talked about it too, that he 747 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: used to like what the mcali used to be versus 748 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 3: like now it's like a theatrical performance. 749 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: Yes, which I do get. 750 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 3: I get that because it's expressive and Rihanna comes out 751 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 3: and it's drama. 752 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: I get that. 753 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 3: But the people whose personal fashion style is based on 754 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 3: a stylust that end up getting invited as a result 755 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 3: of that, to me, that doesn't make any sense because 756 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: it's not that person, you know. 757 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: It's it's comic con for famous people where they all 758 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: cosplay things that they're not. That's what I see. It's 759 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: a bunch of cos players that are famous dressing up 760 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: as characters that they are not. And I mean, I 761 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: agree with you. I a mess when people would wear 762 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: shit that spoke to who they were and now it's 763 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: just like very hunger games. 764 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 3: And I think fashion should make the adjustment that modeling 765 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: has into it being someone's personal style and you get 766 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 3: to see what they would do, like what the person 767 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,479 Speaker 3: chooses on their own, not that they go hire someone. 768 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 3: That should be That should be illegal, like the way 769 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, that should be like you 770 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 3: get you get points out for that, like. 771 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: Anna, because Anna Wintour doesn't dress like that. 772 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 3: She herself wears the same couple of episodes and she's 773 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 3: got a personal style that is hers, it's timeless. 774 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: It's what her style is. 775 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: And so she has said before someone should dress in 776 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 3: a way to speak to them, like she's been quoted. 777 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 3: I don't know what the exact quote is or many times, 778 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 3: but like that, it's natural to them, So it's it's contradictory. 779 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everyone's just turned into a stage performer. 780 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: It's like Steven Tyler and money wears on stage like 781 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: no one. I don't know. I think I always hated 782 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: the word influencer, but I guess it's the modern day 783 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 2: reality stars. People on social media. They are stealing the 784 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 2: thunder from celebrities because celebrities are still faking everything and 785 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 2: they don't know who they are inside, and then the 786 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: people on social media know who they are. It's being 787 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: projected out there and people are liking what they're selling 788 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 2: and buying into it. So I think people look at 789 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 2: stuff like the Matt Gala and you just see a 790 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 2: sea of people that aren't very self aware or tapped 791 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: into who they are or being told what to like 792 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 2: and do, and it's not working because people like people 793 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 2: are so tired of everything being fake. Filters this that 794 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: that you know, if you put yourself out there just 795 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 2: being you. They're like eating it up like it's manna 796 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 2: from heaven. They're so starved for it. 797 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 3: That's what exactly. Yeah, you should have a pot. Yeah exactly. 798 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 3: That's exactly how I feel. And that's exactly where the 799 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 3: universe met me where I am because that's what I've 800 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 3: always been, and I think that that's that's that's how 801 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 3: citizen's journalism is started. That's my mainstream celebrities with the 802 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 3: script and the gloss and the shine. It's not working 803 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 3: because you can't pr your way out of life anymore. 804 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: Unless your Tom Cruise is working for Tom Well, he has. 805 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 3: Very specific roles and he doesn't talk that much about 806 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,959 Speaker 3: other things besides the roles and the work. 807 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's exactly. 808 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 3: Well. Wow, I could talk to you forever. I think 809 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 3: you're amazing. So this was thank you, a great. 810 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 2: Conversation, fellow reality og. 811 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 3: Yes, very very good to talk to you. My instincts 812 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 3: were right about talking to you. 813 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: I like you a lot. I think you're really smart 814 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: and very honest. 815 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 3: So saying I hope to speak to you again, I 816 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 3: hope Avon calls you and gets you involved in a 817 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 3: bigger way. That's what I'm manifesting for you, and I 818 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 3: hope you do a little like garage band podcast for you. 819 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 3: For anyone else, I just like, just talk to a 820 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 3: couple of people. 821 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think you should. That's what 822 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: I think. 823 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 3: It's it doesn't matter what I think, but it matters 824 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 3: what you think. So it's so nice talking to you 825 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 3: and meeting you, and hope you man you too. 826 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 2: Bye lady.