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Speaker 1: And we are back for our number two of our

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Speaker 1: live coverage here from the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: And guys, this being our last hour of the week,

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Speaker 1: I thought we'd play back some of the better, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just better interviews that we've had on guys talking about

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Speaker 1: some of the prospects here and things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: And one of those was Trevor Sikhma from Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also Florida Gator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he is a draft analyst for them, gets

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Speaker 1: really in depth in this and I had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to sit down with with some of us here earlier

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Speaker 1: this week, So I thought we'd played that one back

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Speaker 1: and let everybody here if you missed it earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week.

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Speaker 3: Here's what Trevor Sikhama had to say.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely joining us now.

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Speaker 5: Our buddy Trevor Sickham, a Pro Football Focus, big barbecue

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Speaker 5: Officionado only guy in this room with better hair than I.

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Speaker 4: Trevor, what's up? What's what's up? Cousin? What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Guys?

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Speaker 7: What if I wanted to talk Josh Allen if I

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Speaker 7: had no, I don't, No, we don't, we don't need to.

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to give you crap about it to

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Speaker 7: start things off. Appreciate you guys having me here as

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Speaker 7: always so.

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Speaker 8: We you are our first guest of the of the combine. Wow,

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Speaker 8: congrats many.

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Speaker 4: Lined out down. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 3: And we have you draft picks on.

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Speaker 8: I really like talking specific players, and so you're obviously

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Speaker 8: familiar with Todd McShay.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to his podcast the other.

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Speaker 8: Day and he said he has thirty five defensive linemen

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Speaker 8: with Day one or two grades, and I'm talking from

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Speaker 8: nose tackles to three four outside linebackers and every size

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Speaker 8: and shape in between. And this, you know, specifically for

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Speaker 8: the Steelers, They're not gonna be in the edge game.

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Speaker 8: You know, they're not looking for TJ's replacement, Hry Smith replacement.

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Speaker 8: But I do think they're very much looking for a nose.

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Speaker 8: And it's not necessarily Casey Hampton, you know, old school

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Speaker 8: Steeler nose, right. I think they're going to be in

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Speaker 8: the the market for a big run plugging Kenneth Grant

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Speaker 8: or maybe fourth round dude. And I think they'd love

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Speaker 8: the fin Cam Hayward's replacement. Yeah, while Cam can kind

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Speaker 8: of mentor him. How strong is this three hundred pounder

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Speaker 7: I mean, like that's a huge number that obviously Todd

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Speaker 8: What did you say a lot of them were edge?

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Speaker 8: I think it's like seventeen and seventeen.

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Speaker 4: I mean sure he.

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Speaker 7: Said first or second round gradse. I mean, like that's

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Speaker 7: that's all three rounds.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 6: I believe that.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I would definitely believe that because there are a

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Speaker 7: handful of guys in this class, and you know, I've

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Speaker 7: been talking with people even throughout the early parts of

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Speaker 7: this week of the Combine and even before, Like, to me,

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Speaker 7: the strength of this draft is actually going to come

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Speaker 7: on days two and three. In my opinion, I think

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Speaker 7: that four or five years from now, when we look

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Speaker 7: I think it's going to be the get the teams

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Speaker 7: either picked the most in Day two or just picked

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Speaker 4: And I think that.

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Speaker 7: A couple, right, And I mean I think about that

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Speaker 7: two teams that are picking, you know, very closely behind them,

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Speaker 4: They only have six picks in this draft.

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Speaker 7: The Houston Texas not on No, actually sorry sorry, The

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Speaker 7: Houston Texans have six picks in this draft. The Vikings

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Speaker 7: right now four they pick a twenty four, and they

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Speaker 3: Seven after the McCarthy trade.

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Speaker 7: Lord knows they're not gonna want that to stay the same.

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Speaker 7: So I look at these teams that are picking in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, go get more of these guys. Go get it like.

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Speaker 7: You were talking about along the interior defensive line, Like,

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Speaker 7: go get enough pick so you can get an Alfred Collins.

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Speaker 7: Go get a Joshua Farmer from Florida State, Go get

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Speaker 7: a Darius Alexander from Toledo, right, Like, go get those

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Speaker 7: to be able to pick players like that, those are

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Speaker 8: So even just the change years a little, just to

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Speaker 8: I keep coming back to are Nolan from Mississippi and

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Speaker 8: What's their profile? They're both gonna test like crazy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, It's it's getting harder for me to think that

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Speaker 3: Those other guys, I think you just run to the

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Speaker 7: If they're the st I mean, if you're thinking about

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Speaker 7: I think that if either of those dudes are there,

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Speaker 7: like the Arizona Cardinals need both of those players. Sinanti

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Speaker 4: Well, sure, sign me up.

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Speaker 7: Every team in the NFL would, so I think Steelers

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Speaker 4: There will be some other.

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Speaker 8: I don't who else I would take a twenty one

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Speaker 7: I think like players fit the profile for what you are.

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Speaker 3: And warming up to the idea, but twenty one might

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Speaker 7: I mean, like, like, don't overthink it, you know what

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Speaker 7: that like gets cute about the draft. I think that

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Speaker 7: where because I agree with you, is like twenty one

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Speaker 7: a little high for Darius Alexander. Yeah, it might be

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Speaker 8: I bet a few of our listeners like, who the

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Speaker 8: heck terious Alexander, Like, can coach us up a little bit?

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Speaker 2: I know?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 7: So he's a longtime player for Toledo. He was their

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Speaker 3: Many Steelers know their Mac guys he was.

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Speaker 7: He was also the highest graded MAC player that we

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Speaker 7: to an Elite run defense grade.

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Speaker 4: Now, when you.

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Speaker 7: Watch him, he's got some pass rush production to him,

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Speaker 7: And I think a lot of people look at Darius

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Speaker 4: He can move pretty well.

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Speaker 7: I think he's got some versatility to him with where

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And then he gets a Senior Bowl and he

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Speaker 3: Exactly yeah.

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Speaker 7: And I remember watching him at the Senior Bowl, and

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Speaker 7: I just don't see that type of a pass rusher

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Speaker 8: Okay, another dame you mentioned that is a favorite of

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Speaker 8: mine is Farmer from Florida State. I mean, maybe he's

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Speaker 8: second might be rich, third might be value.

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Speaker 3: Sure, but he could be a nose.

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Speaker 7: Here, right, yeah, in a modern day nose Yeah, and

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Speaker 7: I remember watching his tape and it's like, Okay, sometimes

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Speaker 4: Like a lot of times when you get these nose.

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Speaker 7: Like it's understandable, you know, not body shamming anybody here,

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Speaker 6: Another body he's the big wrestler type. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, And it's even beyond that.

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Speaker 7: No, that's the thing, man, Is that like, Howie is

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Speaker 4: You could look, I.

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Speaker 7: Mean Eagles might let Milton Williams and Josh Sweat walk right,

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Speaker 4: Love you guys, appreciate you. Good luck elsewhere.

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Speaker 7: How many teams can lose Mill Williams and Josh Schweat

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Speaker 8: right right, Harmon from Oregon. I could see him being

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Speaker 7: I would like him for the Steelers. Absolutely. This is

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Speaker 7: I think so for defensive lindm And it's funny, right, like,

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Speaker 7: like his jobs for how explosive he is, I'm very

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Speaker 8: Another guy I got to ask you about it, which

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Speaker 8: he is really difficult to move, double team eater, national champion,

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Speaker 8: It's twenty one rich.

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Speaker 7: For me, Yes, sure, depends on what you're looking for,

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Speaker 7: already committed to Ohio State. Like none of that went away.

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Speaker 7: He said, He's like, I let myself go, like weight wise,

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Speaker 7: And even if you're trying to double team in Milichu

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Speaker 7: you just he is such an anchor. Yeah, So I

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Speaker 7: I just don't know if you're ever gonna get what

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Speaker 7: pass rusher, really low pass rush grades, really low pass

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Speaker 7: There's not an urgency he can he can stack and

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Speaker 7: But like, outside of that there's not a lot of

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Speaker 3: The white thing, I just I wonder.

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Speaker 8: I think there's two ways looking at like, oh, you're

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Speaker 3: And you lost all that way.

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Speaker 7: Now, that is the part that matters, the most recent thing,

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Speaker 7: I think that what matters a lot more is what

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Speaker 3: A lot more when it comes to his story out period.

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Speaker 5: Here, got just a couple of minutes left with our

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Speaker 5: buddy Trevor Sikima Pro Football Focus. I did want to

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: If Tet makes it to twenty one, I mean we've

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Speaker 7: If he is, it's a round the podium type of player.

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Speaker 8: I kind of feel, London, that's a comparison everybody gets.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 7: I loved Drake, I'm and I like Tet more than

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Speaker 7: Teed gives you more after the catch, and a lot

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Speaker 7: Yeah, right right, right, yeah, but it's hard to not

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Speaker 7: ten lot. I don't know why we're saying that about

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Speaker 7: We're not saying that anyways. Gettingack to Steeler.

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Speaker 3: Stay they're curious about, like Golden and Burton Luther.

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Speaker 7: Burd I love would love him for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 7: Matthew gold would love him for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I

447
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Speaker 7: think both of those guys, if wide receivers on the

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Speaker 7: table at all, whatsoever you are thinking about these two players,

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Speaker 7: and I would not, especially with Burden and I like

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Speaker 7: and I like Matthew Golden too. There there are so

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Speaker 7: many times when I feel like I'm breaking my rule

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Speaker 7: here because now I'm just naming like some of my

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Speaker 7: highest comps to have it like, there are moments when

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Speaker 7: Matthew Golden reminds me of like what Stefan Diggs has

455
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Speaker 7: been right where sharp it was just a super sharp outrunner,

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Speaker 7: somebody who could win with that separation, wins with his releases,

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Speaker 7: his feet off the line of scrimmage, second the ball

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Speaker 7: a snap. He was obviously great and productive for Texas

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Speaker 7: this past year. So if wide receiver was on the table,

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Speaker 7: I think, yes, both of those guys are great, which

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Speaker 7: I also want to say, like I'm a Roman Wilson

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Speaker 7: guy too, Like I was, I was disappointed that we

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Speaker 7: didn't get more Roman Wilson this year. I know he's

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Speaker 7: kind of going through injury of the early parts of

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Speaker 7: the season, but like man, I thought, this guy was

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Speaker 7: gonna get on the field a lot more.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're down on him, you know, which

468
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Speaker 3: is good.

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Speaker 7: I felt like when he was at Michigan, man he

470
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Speaker 7: blocked his ass off.

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Speaker 4: You know, he was somebody.

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Speaker 7: Who you know, could give you some vertical ability as well.

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Speaker 7: So I don't know, I'm not ready to move on

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Speaker 7: from Roman Wilson.

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Speaker 8: I know you got a pack schedule, but just met

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Speaker 8: you brushed over Burden a little bit. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 8: lot of bubble screens, it's a lot of bad quarterback play.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 3: He didn't go back the last year.

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Speaker 2: Perc.

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Speaker 7: I watched him in twenty twenty four with the lack

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Speaker 7: of production, and I was like, man, I know it's

483
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Speaker 7: a tough watch. I wondered if Burden mailed it in right.

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Speaker 7: I wondered that before I watched the tape. I wondered

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Speaker 7: if he went at four five star receiver. I'm going

486
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Speaker 7: to the league. I'm gonna be the I'm gonna be

487
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Speaker 7: a first round pick no matter what our offense sucks.

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Speaker 7: You know, like, I don't really have to think about it.

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Speaker 7: And even though it was a lot of mad manufacture

490
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Speaker 7: stuff for him, and even though he's a little unpolish

491
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Speaker 7: as a route runner. The movement skills that he displays

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Speaker 7: after the catch you can get from him before he

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Speaker 7: gets the football. And I genuinely think that that precise

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Speaker 7: route running, how controlled his body is just that human

495
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Speaker 7: joystick movement skills that he has. You can bring that

496
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Speaker 7: to route running and at that point you become a

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Speaker 7: separation stud with the change of direction ability.

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Speaker 4: And dude, he is, yeah, he is, absolutely and he

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Speaker 4: and he's.

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Speaker 7: A guy that you can get for yards easy yards

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Speaker 7: after the catch stuff. But I truly think that he

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Speaker 7: could be more as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and he can run out some posts.

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Speaker 7: I think so, Yes, I think that's well within the range.

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Speaker 3: We'll let you go. I can talk to you all day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. We always love it.

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Speaker 5: Trevor Sikima, lead draft analyst at Pro Football Focus, kind

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Speaker 5: enough to join us here about every year on Radio Row.

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Speaker 4: Trevor, thanks so much for the time, as always appreciated, guys.

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Speaker 2: Anytime.

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Speaker 5: We'll be back with the final hour of Matt and

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Speaker 5: I before we turn things.

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Speaker 4: Over with you.

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Speaker 1: That was Trevor Sikima from Pro Football Focus with us

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, and good stuff there from Trevor guys

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Speaker 1: knows his stuff and really in depth on this draft.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, no, I mean, and that's one of the

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Speaker 2: I always love sitting down with Trek because Trevor always

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Speaker 2: has like those little nuggets that because he's in pro football,

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Speaker 2: like he's gonna dive a little bit deeper into it.

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Speaker 2: So it's always great to hear his insights.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And as you mentioned off the air, gogis former Gator.

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Speaker 1: There you go, but let's get to another break. He

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Speaker 1: is Max Starks, I'm Dale Lally and that is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: We are live here at the NFL Scouting Combine in

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly here with Max Starks and Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: And as we have gone through the week, some of

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Speaker 3: our better.

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Speaker 1: One of are sit down with Fran Duffy of All

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Speaker 1: City Network and it covers the Eagles and we had

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Speaker 1: a great talk with him about a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of corner stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of corner stuff and that, and so

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Speaker 1: let's let's get here. What Fran had to say here

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Speaker 1: this is this was a really good in depth interview.

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Speaker 1: Here was fran Duffy earlier this week.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to.

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Speaker 1: The NFL's Got and Combine here in Indianapolis. I am

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Speaker 1: Dale Lolly with Max Starks and Matt Williamson here on

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Speaker 1: the Steelers Audio Network, and we're joined now by fran Duffy,

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Speaker 1: who joins us every year now, but Frans changed his

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Speaker 1: designation year now with the All City Network. Gratulation and

546
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Speaker 1: a great draft stuff there. Check that out.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, Frank, Dale doing great? It's great to

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Speaker 4: catch up with you guys. It's a yearly visit it.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to be.

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Speaker 3: On lots of Philly Eagles without you though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I found a way to get across the finish line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were all right this year.

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Speaker 4: Crazy s it us plenty to talk about. So I

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Speaker 4: still do a play of Eagles coverage, Yeah, so I do.

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Speaker 4: It was probably this fall it was like sixty forty

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Speaker 4: draft Eagles. Okay, next year it'll probably be more like

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Speaker 4: eighty twenty in favor of the draft.

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Speaker 3: But it's and that's been your passion, and that's that's

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Speaker 3: why we have you on.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm excited for it.

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Speaker 8: For we were just talking about in the last segment

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Speaker 8: about Jarry Alexander that he's been granted traded and we've

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Speaker 8: kind of thought that Steelers might spend money in free

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Speaker 8: agency on a corner. We definitely think a second corner

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Speaker 8: is a high priority. But I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 8: these draft told guys, I know you have a lot

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Speaker 8: of a lot of input on these dudes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a really intriguing class because you know, obviously, look,

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Speaker 4: there's you have Travis Hunter at the top, who I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, just as a corner, where would you put him?

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Speaker 4: He's my number one player?

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Speaker 3: Okay, as as corner.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I actually did something that that I've never done

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Speaker 4: BEFO or with any player. We've seen some guys that

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Speaker 4: dabble in both positions, not like him, but not not

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Speaker 4: like him, And so because of how unique he is,

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Speaker 4: I actually did a complete report and right up in

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Speaker 4: like great and everything for offense and just if he

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Speaker 4: was a receiver and wanted just if he was a corner.

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Speaker 3: I think that's smart.

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Speaker 4: I think that the way to do it. And honestly,

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Speaker 4: the the the the corner is number one of the receiver.

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Speaker 4: Now the receiver thing is is weird because this would

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Speaker 4: be if he was to only be a receiver, he

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Speaker 4: would be my wide receiver one and he would be

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Speaker 4: a top five player in this class.

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Speaker 3: And if he's only a corner, he's your corner one.

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Speaker 4: One, top player in this class. He's you know, I

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Speaker 4: hate generational. He is a generational profile like he like.

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Speaker 4: I like Patrick Artan's tape more when he was coming out,

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Speaker 4: and he was he was my number one player in

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Speaker 4: that class when he came out.

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Speaker 8: Uh, but those are the guys you're judging him against. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: like the best corners you've seen coming out.

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Speaker 4: Like I put it with with That's why, like, like

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Speaker 4: I love Abduel Carter. Irter is an awesome player. I

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Speaker 4: don't see him as like Miles Garrett. I don't see

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Speaker 4: I think he'll be a great player. But if you're saying,

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Speaker 4: would you rather have like Hassan Reddick at his peak

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Speaker 4: or Patrick's Artan, I'm taking Patrick. And that's kind of

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Speaker 4: how I have you hunted.

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Speaker 3: Like It's just there's more edge rushers than recovery cornerbacks.

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Speaker 8: And you think it's a better corner than Carter as

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Speaker 8: a rusher. Understandable. I'm pretty sure that he's not going

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Speaker 8: to end up in black and gold.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think we have that ship has sailed.

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Speaker 3: Who's your two?

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Speaker 4: So right now I've got the grades very close between

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Speaker 4: Will Johnson and then there's a smaller school player, Chevan

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Speaker 4: Revel the corner from me. CU has round him crazy traits,

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Speaker 4: insane traits. Uh, he's got NFL size. He is a

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Speaker 4: pure press man skill set, which is very hard to find.

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Speaker 4: And the guys that have that skill set I think

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Speaker 4: are very valuable.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: So you talk about NFL length, the athleticism, the recovery speed,

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Speaker 4: the bass feels, the toughness. He plays with an edge

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Speaker 4: that I love more so even that you know, like

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Speaker 4: Will Johnson is a guy that got a lot of

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Speaker 4: pub Yeah, you know, coming into the year, I was

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Speaker 4: always a little bit cooler on him, and then this

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Speaker 4: year he got hurt. There were inconsistencies against the run

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Speaker 4: that to me were present during their championship season, but

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Speaker 4: it wasn't talked about as much. And I think now,

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Speaker 4: you know, people are kind of saying, oh, like, maybe

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Speaker 4: he's not like that kind of presence on the perimeter.

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Speaker 4: Watch it. I think it's important because of the RPO

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Speaker 4: game and the ball coming off at like, you need

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Speaker 4: your corners to be able to be, you know, able

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Speaker 4: to make those tackles one on one in the flat.

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Speaker 4: I look at Revel, though, he's got real.

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Speaker 8: Quick on Johnson, Now, yeah, what would he have to

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Speaker 8: run to even be considered to fall to twenty one?

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Speaker 3: I mean, but it'd have to be pretty bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, I mean look high four fives

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Speaker 4: or something like. Yeah, I would say in that four

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Speaker 4: or five range. I mean, fiftieth percentile for corner in

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Speaker 4: the last ten years for drafted corners was four four five,

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Speaker 4: and I think he'll be below that. So I think

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Speaker 4: you're talking like four five one is the twentieth percent time.

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Speaker 8: You think he'll be slower than four four five? Okay,

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Speaker 8: I mean I know that's the concern.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the number one question with him in

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Speaker 4: terms of like pure on field work. So Johnson's speed

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Speaker 4: will be a big thing. But that's that's the thing

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Speaker 4: about this class, though, guys, is that you know Johnson

648
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Speaker 4: people question the speed. I mentioned Shavon Revel. He's coming

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Speaker 4: off of torn a cl in September, so you're not

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Speaker 4: gonna get anything out of him here this week.

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Speaker 6: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Been great to see him at the Senior Bowl or

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Speaker 3: something like that.

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Speaker 2: Guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know azari A Thomas, the corner from Florida State.

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Speaker 4: Really good tape, good press cover corner.

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Speaker 3: I so he actually plays press man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the recovery speed's a little bit of a concern

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Speaker 4: for me there too, Like I think he'll be okay,

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Speaker 4: but not you know, I don't think he's like he's

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Speaker 4: a burner.

662
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Speaker 8: And as you know, this is a testing position. We

663
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 8: care about the forties with this position more than most.

664
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah.

665
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: You know.

666
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: One one guy whose tape I love is Tommy Hill

667
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 4: from Nebraska. He's a converted receiver who played both ways

668
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three. Was gonna play corner full time

669
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: this year. The first couple of tapes, the first one

670
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 4: I did was Colorado. Early in the season. He looked

671
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 4: lights out. I was like, looked like Xavian Howard Trayvon Diggs,

672
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: Like he's that kind of big body type, like a

673
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: ballade absolutely really physical with the line of scrimmage. Then

674
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: he got a foot injury, uh midway it was midway

675
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: through the season, missed like two or three games, tried

676
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 4: to come back and gut it out and just did

677
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: not he got he got toasted for some plays and

678
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 4: they so there's bad tape out there, bad tape out there.

679
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, I figure that.

680
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 4: The senior ball and he didn't look great the scene.

681
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: He didn't call that healthy down there mobile. What's he

682
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 4: gonna do here? That's gonna be a big question. So

683
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 4: but that's the thing is you go, he's day to

684
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: I think you're probably talking about him day two.

685
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

686
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I think.

687
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 4: When again this corner class, there's talent, but it's gonna

688
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: be how many of these questions get answered this week?

689
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: What about a guy like a John A Baron who

690
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: projects maybe is a slot guy, you know, Cooper de Yeah.

691
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: A good point was last year we loved him. Last

692
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: year he ends up falling to the second round.

693
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was I.

694
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 8: Think the league is starting to figure out that we

695
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 8: can't just ignore slot guys. Yeah, you know the boy

696
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 8: they they I would say, they tie the room together, Yeah,

697
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 8: bring the defense all together.

698
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 4: The thing with Baron though, I mean again, he's so

699
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: he's listed by Texas five eleven, one ninety two. So

700
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 4: let's say he comes in five ten. Let's say he

701
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: comes in one ninety. So that's a that's a small corner.

702
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 6: Uh.

703
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: I think he's a four or five guy.

704
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: I don't.

705
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 4: I don't think he runs that well. And so again

706
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: that might will that will say to everybody he's got

707
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 4: to play in the slot. He was an outside corner

708
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 4: this year for the Horns, was a nickel before that.

709
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 4: I love the physicality, I just I just questioned the athleticism,

710
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 4: like what that.

711
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: Was not temperaments used to be there, the play temperaments.

712
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: There, and that is something that I value a lot,

713
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: But I'm worried about the physical profile there. If there's

714
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: enough that he can hang and play man and man coverage,

715
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: whether that's on the outside or when when receivers have

716
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: a two way go inside, I think that whole have trouble.

717
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: In those situations.

718
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: It seems like a shortcut.

719
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 8: But I mean five Tenney with a four or five

720
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 8: to one doesn't sound like the first on corner.

721
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 2: No.

722
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: I mean if the tape is the best in the nation, yeah, right.

723
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: And so you know, now you're look, could he be

724
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 4: Mike Hilton? Sure like he he could be better version. Yeah,

725
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: he could be. But you know, I think that that

726
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: there's some projection there.

727
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: There's another guy that I'm interested in and granted, you

728
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: know I now go to collegiate ties and biases. But

729
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: asari A. Thomas, another guy, senior Bowl guy, he's around almost.

730
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 9: Six two, the Florida State guys. I'm just such a

731
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 9: fan former Gator. But I mean, but he's intriguing because

732
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 9: he's a taller, lengthier guy.

733
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: Now, he didn't have the production. Obviously, Florida State sucked

734
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: this year. You know I had to take. Yeah, I'm

735
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: really broken hard about it. But what is your thoughts

736
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: about him? Because I mean, I haven't seen that much

737
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: of him this year. I didn't get to cover him,

738
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: but I know he's a guy that's always kind of

739
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: come up on the radar when I've talked to people.

740
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: He's got a great feel for playing the line of

741
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: scrimmage ship and even though I don't think he's a burner,

742
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: I think that I'm interesting what he tests like this week.

743
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: I do think that he's got that press skill set.

744
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: I don't have a comp written down for him, but

745
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: one of the things you're talking about, like production, he

746
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: was only targeted on ten percent of snaps this past year,

747
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: which is a really low not like the team stayed

748
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 4: away from him. They were like, we're not We're not

749
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 4: going to that side of the field. He had really

750
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: good flashes down in mobile at the Senior Bowl. And

751
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 4: I'm used to get your take, like I love watching

752
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: corners and the to me, like it's so applicable some

753
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: of that skill set defensive line. Yeah, just guys that

754
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: being asked to play in reverse, and you know, it's

755
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: a it's a it's a non comfortable position. It's not

756
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: it's not natural. And I think there's a lot of

757
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 4: correlations that.

758
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, there is. And I mean, you know

759
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: we always talk about the top cover corners with top

760
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: passting offensive line, right, I mean there is that because,

761
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: like you said, working in reverse and you're playing mirror

762
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 2: dodge essentially, right, you know, it's a mirror dodge type position.

763
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: So I think one of the things that kind of

764
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: stood out to me was, like you said, I didn't

765
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: see a lot of balls throwing on him. Now, I

766
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: didn't get to watch a ton of tape, but the

767
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: times I did, I'm like, oh, he's out there, but

768
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: there's no action towards him. All the actions in the

769
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: opposite direction. So is that good or is that bad?

770
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: And that's where I'm kind of torn because, like you said,

771
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: I saw a couple of I saw a couple of clips, yeah,

772
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: you know, and I saw him and he's, like you said,

773
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: long arm extension. He's gonna presciate the line of scrimmage.

774
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: He's gonna bully you a little bit.

775
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: It's great to see those pressman covers.

776
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: It's hard and a half inch arms like that way.

777
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's built that way, and so that's why he's intriguing.

778
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: But I think because like you said, if you follow

779
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: helmet stickers, right, he's gonna he's gonna get looked at

780
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: differently because the team sucks so bad. Maybe he's a

781
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: guy that falls into day two. If he can test well,

782
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: maybe he gets a little bit more bumped. But I mean,

783
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: everything fails in comparison to Travis Hunter. All eyes are

784
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: gonna be on him. But where does that guy fall?

785
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Because I feel like he's a guy that could fall

786
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: because of that, and I think he's an intriguing guy

787
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: for our scheme fit as well.

788
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 4: If he tests well, he's first round player, okay, Yeah,

789
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: to be like if he were to run in the

790
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: four fours, I think we're talking about him in the

791
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: first round. Okay, see if he does not, if he

792
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 4: runs in like the four fives, then I think you're

793
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: talking more of a day two player. And it's funny.

794
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: I was just one of the things that I've started

795
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: to incorporate more into my evaluation, not evaluation, but just

796
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: you know, to have this background info looking at some

797
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: of those number. As I mentioned, he was only targeted

798
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: ten point five percent of the time. That's ninetieth percentile

799
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: amongst corners draft in the last decade. That's a that's

800
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: a really good number. Who he was Everyone stayed away,

801
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: but when he was targeted, he forced an incompletion on

802
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: twenty one percent of his targets, which is a A

803
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: that's a good number. So like, all right, small sample,

804
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 4: but if you're gonna come at me like you're not.

805
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 6: Your yeah, you're not getting a lot of a lot

806
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 6: of Goodsive, he is false.

807
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: He didn't fall asleep or get bored or he was

808
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: still playing.

809
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: He was still engaged.

810
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, on a bad team.

811
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: To your point in terms of and our guess is

812
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: a friend Duffy, Yeah, you understand a half frand Duffy

813
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: from the All City Network. You mentioned the injury situation

814
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: for for the East Carolina kid.

815
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

816
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: Uh, there's a couple of guys in this draft, especially

817
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: at the cornerback position, at Benjamin Morrison from from Notre Dame,

818
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: who are injury issues here and you know, we don't

819
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: know what they're going to do, you know, in this situation,

820
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: and you might be flying a little blind with some

821
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: of these guys in terms of you know what the

822
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: NFL scouts are going to see here maybe until pro days?

823
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: How does how does how does that shake out here?

824
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 8: Do you think like hypothetical in three days? Somebody says,

825
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 8: magically Morrison's fine? Is he a first round player?

826
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, uh, you know, talking to uh

827
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: our friend Dane Brugler from the Athletic one of the

828
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 4: best things. Yeah, and you know, one of the things

829
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: that Dane brought to my attention. Uh, you know when

830
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: you look at Marson from Notre Dame, talented player, junior captain,

831
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: like everything you want off the field, he he left

832
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: halfway through the year because of hip hip surgery. That's

833
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: his second hip surgy. He had a hip surgery in

834
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: high school.

835
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I.

836
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 8: Think the track records great after hip surgery, especially for corner.

837
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: For a guy that's got solipi. Is there something degenerative there,

838
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 4: is it something chronic or is it a fluky thing? Right?

839
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: And so uh this week that gets not solved. But

840
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: every team will you know, put him through the paces

841
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: there medically and had a finding on how we think.

842
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 8: I hate to say it, but draft they might roll

843
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 8: around and like, oh, Day one went by and he's

844
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 8: the top of best available, and then day two goes

845
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 8: by and then you're like, oh, it's a problem.

846
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: Right, you know he's gonna be He will be a

847
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 4: player that I'm sure because they'll bring a bunch of

848
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: a handful of players back to Indianapolis in like late

849
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: March early April for that medical recheck. He would be

850
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: on that group, would be my guest, and it will

851
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: be about that hip.

852
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: And Revel will probably be there as well. I would think, yeah.

853
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: Right, So he had a cl surgery early September. He

854
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 4: sent out a memo his agent, his doctors sent out

855
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: a memo all thirty two teams. It sounds like he'll

856
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 4: be able to do like individual type stuff in the

857
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: spring for mini camps and then won't be ready for

858
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 4: like full contact stuff until they get into the summer.

859
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: But it seems like everything got clear, was clean there again,

860
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: like if he's help, if he's healthy, that's round one tape.

861
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: Like I wrote down, there were shades of like d

862
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: r C when DRC came out. Yeah, and he's not

863
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 4: quite as tall. DRC was like six two plus. Yeah,

864
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: really he's long, not white to that level. But one

865
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 4: guy whose tape I love was Alante Taylor when he

866
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: came out of Tennessee. He was the second round pick

867
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 4: of the Saints.

868
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 6: Uh.

869
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 4: And again like that that razor sharp edge that he plays.

870
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: I love the play personality, and that's what Rebel certainly brings.

871
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: Competitive guy.

872
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Yes, that was Fran Duffy of the All City Network

873
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: and of course covers the Eagles, work for the Eagles

874
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: for a long time on their podcast network and gotten

875
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: to know him over the years because we were right

876
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: next to them Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, right next to each other, alphabetically,

877
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: very close.

878
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 3: Absolutely same state.

879
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Speaker 2: Yeah, same state too.

880
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, so good stuff there from fram. We

881
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: appreciated us sitting down with him. We do that every

882
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: year here at the scouting combine. But let's get to

883
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: another break.

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Speaker 6: Guys.

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Speaker 1: He is Max Starks, that is Matt Williamson and I

886
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Speaker 1: am Dale Lallie. You are listening to the Drive here

887
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: on the Steelers Audio Network and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. Will

888
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: be back with more live from the NFL Scouting Combine

889
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis right.

890
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Speaker 3: After this, and welcome back.

891
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson and Max Starks

892
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: here at the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis and

893
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: the guys. One of our favorite interviews every year is

894
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: when we bring on a great co cell of NFL

895
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: matchup and of course NFL films, and he is like

896
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: the godfather of the NFL breakdown shows, yes and really

897
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: studies the film and gets into this stuff. And once

898
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: that season is over, he starts breaking down tape of

899
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: the college prospects and he does deep dives on these

900
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: guys and really breaks things down, knows what he's looking

901
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: for and knows what, you know, what he's seeing out there,

902
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: and it just is a great.

903
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just fountain of information when we bring him on.

904
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and when I did the broadcast bootcamps

905
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: back in the day, like he was one of my

906
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: mentors and still you know, a close friend of mine,

907
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, even to this day. If I need to

908
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: reach out, if there's anything film wise I need, or

909
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: anything from a historical perspective, I can always reach out

910
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: to him. And just like you said, that fountain of knowledge,

911
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: you know anything you need. And of course being an

912
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: NFL films which is the positive history of the NFL

913
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: from every decade as long as there was a camera present,

914
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: they they had archives, so you can pull anything from that.

915
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Speaker 8: And he loves it. He's still here. I mean a

916
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 8: lot of those guys will coming on. I've seen him

917
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 8: like he's been here as.

918
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Speaker 3: Much as us. Yeah, that's just what he does.

919
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: But let's get to the interview that we did with

920
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: him earlier this week. Really good stuff there. Here's what

921
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: Greg Cosell had to say when he sat down with us.

922
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: And we're also joined now as we are every year

923
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Speaker 1: here at the scouting combined by Greg Cosell, the executive

924
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: producer and.

925
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: Analyst of the NFL matchup and you've seen him.

926
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Speaker 1: He does great work on that and of course, uh,

927
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: just fantastic stuff with with Greg every year on the draft,

928
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: on breaking down teams and what's that, what's happening in

929
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: the NFL and Greg, we we'd love.

930
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: To have you here this draft.

931
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 6: Well, before we get into that, I just want to

932
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 6: say that to me, this is mister Max Start. You know, Yeah,

933
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 6: that's mister Max Starts.

934
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

935
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Speaker 1: So everything that that that you see in turns of

936
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: this draft is that it's not top heavy at all.

937
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: It's not the blue chippers in this draft aren't necessarily

938
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: blue chippers in every year, but that there's some depth

939
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: there beyond that, maybe the first ten to twelve players.

940
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying here, Greg.

941
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 6: You know, it's so funny because that's what I read,

942
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 6: and I've started, you know, doing my draft work. Obviously,

943
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 6: I can't start till kind of mid January, so you know,

944
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 6: I'm just sort of grinding through, and I kind of

945
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 6: I'm very random in how I go about it. Like

946
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 6: I can't watch eight running backs in a row because

947
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 6: they all start to look the same, you know. So

948
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 6: I'm all over the place. But you know, I hear that,

949
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 6: and I I think we have to wait and see

950
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 6: on that. And that's easy to say because obviously when

951
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 6: we have access to the results, you know, we all

952
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 6: sound smarter. But I think there's gonna be players that

953
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Speaker 6: are taken in the top six or seven that are

954
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Speaker 6: gonna end up being really good players. Now maybe they're

955
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 6: not thought of that way right now, but I think

956
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 6: they're going to be really good players because one thing

957
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 6: I've really learned, and it's why at times I've gotten

958
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 6: some guys is wrong. And we all get guys wrong.

959
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 6: And when I do, I admit that I get guys wrong.

960
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 6: You know that happens yeah to me when I watch

961
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 6: a guy, And I know Max would probably really appreciate this,

962
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 6: having played in the league. You know, when a guy's

963
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 6: twenty one, sometimes he develops, and a twenty four to

964
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 6: twenty five he's a different player, you know, just because

965
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 6: of coaching, development, mature, whatever the reason may be. And

966
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 6: no one comes into the NFL as a finished product.

967
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 6: And I think we have to be careful about deciding

968
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 6: that a twenty year old or a twenty one year

969
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 6: old is exact. Some guys are what they are, some

970
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 6: guys aren't. That's the hard part of scouting, right. No

971
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 6: matter what the analytics and sabermetrics and all these metrics say,

972
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 6: it's still human beings evaluating human beings, And boy is

973
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 6: it hard sometimes to decide when you watch a twenty

974
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 6: or twenty one year old kid that he's going to

975
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 6: be the exact same guy at twenty five. He may

976
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Speaker 6: not be, you know.

977
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: Well, And I think also coaching matters like a lot

978
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: go to develop. Yes, is it a developmental system because

979
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: I mean you look at like Philadelphia, right, you look

980
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: at Jeff Southland, and what he does is offensive line coach,

981
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: no question. He takes those guys and then they become

982
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: You're like, holy crap, where did this guy cover? Like

983
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: Jordan Mylatta never ever played football and had a human

984
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: He couldn't even find a helmet for the first month,

985
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: was a tight end for two years at Nebraska and

986
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: then became a center and and he was really really

987
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: good this year. You know what I mean, You're right,

988
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Speaker 2: So coaching does matter. And like you said, the age

989
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: at which with you get those guys, right, that's going

990
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: to matter. So the development of a guy, I completely agree.

991
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: I think we argue over the polished nature of a

992
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 2: guy at this point.

993
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, that's a great point.

994
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: Polish he is versus how good he can be, and

995
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: that's what some people get enamored with. And that's how

996
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 2: you miss in the draft.

997
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 8: Greg Change Gears on you. The elephant in the room

998
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 8: with the Steelers is a quarterback position. I mean they

999
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 8: got right now, there's zero people under contract.

1000
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: If it were to come, that would be a problem.

1001
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 3: That's a problem.

1002
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Speaker 8: If you were to make an argument foreign against fields

1003
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 8: In Wilson, where would you stand on those guys in

1004
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 8: an Arthur Smith?

1005
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

1006
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the state of the team and where the

1007
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 8: defense is at and running the football.

1008
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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, look, I'll be the first to

1009
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 6: admit that I thought in an Arthur Smith offense that

1010
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 6: Justin Fields could be a productive player. Obviously they didn't

1011
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 6: think so, or they wouldn't have made the change. I

1012
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 6: think Russell Wilson came in and had moments, but I

1013
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 6: don't think he's the answer. You know. The thing about

1014
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 6: Wilson to me is he doesn't really give you a

1015
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 6: consistent pass game. There's not really like an intermediate pass

1016
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 6: game with Russell Wilson. You know, there's no sense of, oh,

1017
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 6: he's going to drop back, hit his back foot and

1018
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 6: the ball's going to come out, you know, in the

1019
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 6: sense that there's a rhythmic feel to a pass game. Now,

1020
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 6: Fields obviously is not that guy either, And you know,

1021
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 6: you guys may know more as to why they thought

1022
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 6: Fields wasn't the answer. Fields to me has always been

1023
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 6: a little bit of an enigma. I know he doesn't

1024
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 6: see it great, but there are quarterbacks who have been,

1025
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 6: you know, relatively quality quarterbacks who may not be phenomenal

1026
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 6: at progression reading and seeing the field great. He's obviously

1027
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 6: as dynamic a runner as there is in the league

1028
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 6: at the position. He's a big, physical kid. I keep

1029
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 6: struggling with what why Justin Fields can't be and again

1030
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 6: I'm not saying a top five quarterback, but why he

1031
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 6: can't be a starter in this league? I don't know

1032
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 6: the answer to that. He's one of the You know,

1033
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 6: there's a couple of quarterbacks. As much as I study

1034
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 6: the quarterback position and have been taught by the best guys,

1035
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 6: there's always a couple of quarterbacks that I just can't

1036
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 6: get a handle on. He's one, Kyler Murray's one. Trevor

1037
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 6: Lawrence is won. I just can't get a handle as

1038
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 6: much as I watch those guys on what.

1039
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: They are, maybe it all falls into place or right.

1040
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 6: Right right, So you know, I don't know, but I

1041
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 6: don't think Russell. I mean, you guys would know better.

1042
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 6: I don't think they're going to resign Russell Wilson, are they.

1043
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: I think that's all to be determined.

1044
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I mean, look, they would have somebody

1045
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: in place before Free.

1046
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1047
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 6: Somebody once told me, and I guess, you know, I

1048
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 6: hope this doesn't come out wrong because somebody once said

1049
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 6: this to me, and I realized the world in which

1050
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 6: we live, you got to be careful. But somebody once

1051
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 6: said to me, when you don't have a girlfriend, they

1052
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 6: all look like a ten, you know, and they don't

1053
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 6: have a quarterback, so you know, so what starts to

1054
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 6: happen is they all start to look better than they

1055
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 6: really are, and you got to be careful about that.

1056
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: But so in that vein, there's going to be two quarterbacks,

1057
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: as we know right now, drafted somewhere in the first round.

1058
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: Probably minimum, I would say minimum, Yeah, I would say minimum.

1059
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 3: Beyond that, though, there's some guys here. I think that, well,

1060
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 3: I've seen all these guys.

1061
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 6: These guys I can discuss.

1062
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, have some traits.

1063
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck is the guy that that really that we've

1064
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: identified as there's some things that I don't like. He

1065
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: falls off when he throws sometimes and you know fall Well,

1066
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: I'll give you, I mean, the arm challenge is there.

1067
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 6: I'll give you my thoughts. Okay, I've done these guys

1068
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 6: in great detail. Okay, should I say I watched him

1069
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 6: at Jackson State. I watched him at Colorado for two years.

1070
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 6: I've probably seen thirty games of Sudar Sanders Ward. I

1071
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 6: watched Washington State last summer, and then I watched nine

1072
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 6: or ten games this year. I'm struggling to understand why

1073
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 6: kim Ward isn't thought of more highly. I think cam

1074
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 6: Ward is a high level traits prospect. I don't understand

1075
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 6: him seem particularly close to me. No, they're not close

1076
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 6: to me.

1077
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: They're not close to me.

1078
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I mean, and again we don't.

1079
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 6: The draft is still months away, so maybe it plays

1080
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 6: out that way and we all go, Okay, that's the

1081
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 6: way it should play out. But and I'm fortunate that

1082
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 6: I know some people at Washington State who tell me

1083
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 6: this kid is highly accountable, that he's a dog, he's

1084
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 6: in alpha mentality, that everything about kim Ward is exactly

1085
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 6: what you want. That's what I've heard from people who

1086
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 6: know him. Obviously, I just sit in my office in

1087
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 6: the NFL films and watch tape. I don't you know,

1088
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 6: I don't work for a team, so I'm not doing

1089
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 6: that kind of due diligence and you know, talking to

1090
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 6: the kids and all that. But I don't understand why

1091
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 6: he's not thought of higher.

1092
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: Where are you on shock?

1093
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Speaker 6: I love Tyler Schuck. I thought his tape again, this

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Speaker 6: is just tape. I thought his tape was the next

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Speaker 6: best of quarterbacks in this draft. And again people listening probably, oh,

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Speaker 6: you hate Sedir Sanders. You know that that's the world

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Speaker 6: in which we live. I really like Shuck. And by

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Speaker 6: the way, six four and seven eighths to twenty five

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Speaker 6: and you know this Max, that's a trait. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I remember last year and I'm fortunate enough to get

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Speaker 6: on the field at the combine last year introducing myself

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Speaker 6: to Drake may and looking at this kid, going, that's

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Speaker 6: a big dude. That's a trait. Don't you agree? Six

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Speaker 6: five is a trait?

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Speaker 2: And that Roethlisberger guy had that yeah, yeah, Well that's

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Speaker 2: why we struggle with a Russell Wilson, we struggle with

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00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: a Kyler Murray, we struggle even with a Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 2: At time right, because height plays, it plays into your vision. Yes,

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00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: how can I see the defensive secondary if all of

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Speaker 2: my linemen are bigger than me?

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Speaker 6: Right, And we talked about it and alignment. Now people

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Speaker 6: view alignment at six three and a half is short? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean now you've got to be six five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Even guards, you know.

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00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want huge, They want huge guys. So your

1117
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: quarterback can't be mini mouse because now you're worried about him. Man.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this even with Drew, as great as

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00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: Drew was, but Drew had the anticipatory throws, right, he

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Speaker 2: was he was special in that. It was special in

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Speaker 2: that regard. But you got to looking. We talked about

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00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: having to looking windows. Not everybody can do the window pane.

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Speaker 2: Look right, you see the snapshot and a narrow with

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00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 2: blinders on, and so six four sixty five that means

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Speaker 2: a whole lot because I can see and anticipate a

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Speaker 2: lot more. And that also creates a different trajectory in

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00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: my arm release right, without question. So that so you're right,

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Speaker 2: that is a trait.

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Speaker 6: So so the point is is that you know, Shuck's

1130
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 6: tape was really good. Again, not to argue, as you said,

1131
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 6: Dale and It's not that he's a perfect prospect, but

1132
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 6: I thought his tape was really good. And it's funny.

1133
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Speaker 6: I made these comments on on I think on a

1134
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 6: radio show or a week or so ago, and I

1135
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 6: just got ripped. And then I heard from some gms

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00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 6: in the LEAGUEHO said, you know you're one hundred percent

1137
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 6: or right. So, and I've spoken to some gms. They're

1138
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 6: not worried about the age. The injury history is the

1139
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 6: more discerning element, not the age the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be twenty six in September, all right,

1141
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: twenty six or twenty five, he'll be twenty six.

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00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 6: It's a twenty second.

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Speaker 3: Twenty five now.

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Speaker 6: So let's say he plays ten years. You're okie with that.

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Speaker 3: You've got ten hours out of there. Yeah, we got

1146
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: two contracts.

1147
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 2: And yeah, sure.

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Speaker 6: So let's talk about Shader. I think he does a

1149
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 6: lot of things well, Like, I think he throws it well,

1150
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 6: he doesn't have a power arm, but he throws it well.

1151
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 6: I think he sees the field well. I think he

1152
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 6: throws it on the run.

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00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: Well.

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00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 6: He's not a creator, though he's he's at his core,

1155
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 6: he's a pocket quarterback. I think he needs a lot

1156
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 6: of work with his sort of pocket awareness and understanding.

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00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 6: You know, on Sundays, I sit at home and watch games,

1158
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 6: you know, and then I don't take notes or anything,

1159
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Speaker 6: but I hear a lot of announcers and Tom Brady

1160
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 6: every week talks about and he knows a little more

1161
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 6: about the quarterback position than I do. So Tom Brady

1162
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 6: every week talk about the fact that sacks are on

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Speaker 6: the quarterback. And I think you have to be really

1164
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 6: careful when you evaluate quarterbacks in assuming if a guy

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00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 6: gets sacked a lot, that that means he has a

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Speaker 6: bad old line. Now again, Colorado did not have a

1167
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 6: good old line. I can all agree on that. We

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Speaker 6: can all agree on that, but you know, keep in mind,

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Speaker 6: Will keep in mind, Caleb Williams was sacked eighty two

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Speaker 6: times in his last two years in USC and he

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Speaker 6: led the league in sacks this year. Okay, and Sanders

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Speaker 6: got sacked a ton. And yes, are there were there

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00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 6: some jail breaks where he had no chance? Yes there were,

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Speaker 6: without question. I don't want people to come across from

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Speaker 6: this conversation thinking I think he had a great old line.

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Speaker 6: He did not, But I think that he doesn't manage

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Speaker 6: the pocket really really well. Plus another thing. This can

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Speaker 6: be taught, but if a guy's been doing this his

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00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 6: whole life and you know this, sometimes you can teach

1180
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 6: a guy, but he doesn't do it. He has a

1181
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 6: bad tendency to hold the ball with one hand and.

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00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: That does drop shoulder, right, yeah, that that drops shoulder. Yeah.

1183
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: That loaf of bread.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that does not fly in the league. But

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Speaker 6: I think to me, what Sanders is and he can

1186
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 6: do it really well if you have enough team is

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Speaker 6: He's a ball distributor and an executor. That's what he is.

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Speaker 6: So you need team. He's the kind of quarterback that

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Speaker 6: needs team.

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Speaker 3: I compared him. And we are back here.

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Speaker 1: That was our interview with Greg Cosell earlier this week,

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00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: and great stuff there from Greg. He really knows what

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Speaker 1: his stuff breaking things down there. But guys, we get

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Speaker 1: a little teary eyed here. We're done for the week.

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Speaker 2: It's good. Yeah, it was a very good week. And

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Speaker 2: you know it's year Donald's left over time. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Where we're at, Yeah, that's where we're

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Speaker 2: at in this part of the week. Of course, been wonderful,

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Speaker 2: you know, working with you guys all week. Man, it's

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Speaker 2: always always good. Seeing you. I'm sure I'll be seeing

1201
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Speaker 2: you guys somewhere down the road. So very happy to have.

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Speaker 3: Worked with the owner's meetings here in three more weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Don't worry NFL up that it's you know,

1204
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Speaker 2: we get something round Sport now, Yeah, without a doubt.

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Speaker 1: And so we'll be down there in uh West Palm

1206
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Speaker 1: Beach bringing you our coverage again from that. But man,

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Speaker 1: what a week it's been here from West Juler And

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Speaker 1: and Rob King and Jerry Dulac and and you guys

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Speaker 1: and all the guests that we've had CJ and and

1210
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Speaker 1: and Justin back in studio keeping us on the air,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Vittmeyer filming all of our stuff here this week.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of contributors here to make this

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Speaker 1: work this week, and it's just been a fun week guys,

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Speaker 1: always is yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And thank you Steelers Nation for tuning in. Obviously

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Speaker 2: we have no show if you have no interest. Enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really been a fun week.

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Speaker 1: But for Max Starks, for Matt Williamson, for me Dale Lallie,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for listening to all of

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Speaker 1: our shows here live from the NFL Scouting Combine here

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. We'll still be Donner shows upcoming here next week,

1222
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Speaker 1: but that's going to do it for this week of

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Speaker 1: coverage here from the NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.