1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Let's get to our guests, now, how mucha Bean Zaman, 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: his head of FX research at A and Z joining 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: us on the line from Sydney. So, as Barclay's one 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: analyst put it, there's a lot of finger in the 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: air estimate rather than high science pointing at where the 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: peak of rates is going to be from the Fed. 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: What does that mean though, in terms of how much 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: further dollar strength we see here? Look, we think we 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: are dollars bull we are dollar bullish for now, and 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: we think there is more upside potential in the dollar, 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: especially after we have seen a little bit of the 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: retlacement in the d X Y on Friday. Um, I 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: guess two or three key points driving this view. First, 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: I guess we had the FMC meeting where they went 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: from bnario from aucust to even more hawkish. So obviously, 16 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: higher rates, higher yields support the dollar. More interestingly, dollar 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: has also got the highest carrier ranking within G ten currencies, 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: So um, you know when you look at the spread 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: versus funding currencies via Euro or even even the lobby, 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: you know they're trading at why the spread differential? And finally, obviously, um, 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: it always continues to play your safe haven bets with 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: you know, recessionary affairs increasing. I get all of that, 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: and but the action is kind of interesting because we 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: we've got these two big overhangs higher interest rates and 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: aggressive FED that's one, and then the COVID zero policies 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: in China we just don't seem to SA mean, they 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: tease us a little bit, but we don't see any 28 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: sustainable progress in those issues getting solved yet. Equity markets 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: UM have have held above the June lows. They're not 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: really going down. So what's causing now? What is there 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: some residual strength there that that we're not noticing. Look, 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: I think it's more a function of I guess the 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: last six weeks we have seen you know, interesting UM 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: I guess UM perspectives and developments in in the non 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: US markets of anything. I think that's been a little 36 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: bit UM supportive in bringing the dollar back down. You know, 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: you've seen less negative growth momentum in probably UK and 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: as well as the recent Chinese news. But you know, 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: bottom line, liquidity is going to work. And as we're 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: going into year end, UM we continue to see really 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: use um currently you know, of course speaking at it 42 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: at one point seven percent big question how much upside 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: there is to there which will be dollar support if 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: we think there is a little bit more to go there. Uh, 45 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: and this is probably que one story into obviously in 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: the short term basis, we have CPI this week, UM 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: expect dollar, you know, to struggle for direction, remain within 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: that one ten to one fourteen range until we get 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: a clear picture on the inflation side of things. When 50 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: it comes to I guess the currency is linked more 51 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: closely to China. We're seeing a bit of weakness there 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: in the likes of the Aussie the key way, and 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: we'll be watching as well, movements in the on and 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: off show you one during the day's trade. How sensitive 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: are ex traders to you know, these headline coming through 56 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: that we are potentially seeing relaxation and then Beijing saying no, 57 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: absolutely not, We're sticking to the strict COVID zero stance. 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: I think the market invested, especially in the effect space, 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: of very closely watching the sensitivity. In fact, what we 60 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: saw on Friday really reflects how high the delta is 61 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: of the dollar to c n H in terms of 62 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: the movement. Uh, there is no doubt that what we 63 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: have been looking within our correlations, particularly for the AUSSI 64 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: and the c n Y correlation. I think over the 65 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: thirty day or fifty day correlations when we rank, you know, 66 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: what's the AUSSY more sensitive to. Interestingly, even before Friday's move, 67 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: we thought that, um, the AUSSY in the recent weeks 68 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: has been most sensitive to dollar Asia currencies. Hence we 69 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: saw that you know, two point eight percent, you know, 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: daily move in the AUSY on Friday on the back 71 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: of the rumor on China reopening. So yours is a 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: pretty careful view. We had a guest on earlier that 73 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: was talking about really five was around the time that 74 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: maybe we would finally see some clearance of of these issues. 75 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: How long are you looking out? And then what do 76 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: you do in the meantime? Look, I think market and 77 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: ask ourselves as well whether how long is it going 78 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: to take to deal with inflation? Surely, if it talked 79 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: to it's at least two to eighteen months away. I 80 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: think the story of the FED being higher for longer 81 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: is going to help move this down. Um. You know. Interestingly, 82 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: you know a couple of indicators of the US slowing, 83 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: which in turn would turn inflation lower. Already pointing in 84 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: the right direction. The tople out name a few UM 85 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: ten minus three yield spreads are negative, showing typing financial conditions. 86 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: Job data, I would argue, is the mixed non fum. 87 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: There will be the expectations, but then when you look 88 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: at it three weeks or sorry a three month or 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: a six month moving average, the two d and sixty 90 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: plus KATE was actually below the average years of three thousand, 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: which you have seen now. Third, money supply growth is 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: also following falling. Other central banks are reducing the magnitude 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: of wading creases, such as Australia. All of that is 94 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: adding up to you know us surely in that slowing momentum, 95 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: I think we will see more of that into the QE. Alright, 96 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: great to have you with us. Masure Beansaman, head of 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: f FX research at A and Z on the line 98 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: from Sydney for us here on Bloomberg Daybreak Asia