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Speaker 1: One of the things I always look at with a

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Speaker 1: veteran NFL player, has he ever been a team captain?

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Speaker 1: That tells you a lot about the guy. Cam Hayward

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Speaker 1: has been a team captain for the Steelers for eleven years.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: six time All Pro, fifteen years, same team, and he

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Speaker 1: is joining us at the Super Bowl. You know it's

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Speaker 1: I asked you fair, I said, fifteen years in the league.

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Speaker 1: What do you feel like when you wake up in

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Speaker 1: the morning and tell the audience what your answer was?

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Speaker 3: It feels like fifteen years of past.

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Speaker 1: You know, you you have Mike Tomlin's interesting because Emmanuel Sanders,

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Speaker 1: I think it was, was on my show a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago and he said, you can talk about

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Speaker 1: the coach. He goes, Mike Tomlin changed me the guy

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Speaker 1: like what to do with my money? When I came

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Speaker 1: into the league, I was kind of I didn't know anything,

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Speaker 1: And you had a fifteen year relationship with Mike. Now

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Speaker 1: it's not all good. I mean, it can't be. There's

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Speaker 1: got to be disagreements. But tell me about Mike the

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Speaker 1: guy that I don't see.

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Speaker 3: Mike is very approachable and voicing like anything to him.

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Speaker 3: He might not agree with you, and he might have

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Speaker 3: a different way of seeing it, but he makes himself

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Speaker 3: available to discuss your problems. He's able to, you know,

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Speaker 3: cut past a lot of the crap and say like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's great, but we're going to go in a different direction,

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Speaker 3: or this is what we have to do. Forward have

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Speaker 3: to put the team first. The one thing I loved

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Speaker 3: about Mike was just his honesty to the game, understanding

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Speaker 3: that there are initial cuts in our league in preparing

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Speaker 3: the right one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I've seen him on two

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Speaker 1: interviews since he coached the Steelers, and he's so happy

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Speaker 1: and funny, and I'm like, the NFL has a way

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Speaker 1: of making people, you know. I mean, you watch Belichick

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Speaker 1: when he left New England. I watched him on the ESPN.

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Speaker 1: He's cracking jokes, he's having a good time. There is

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Speaker 1: an argument, and I said this, I can think Mike's

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, but I do think coaches have

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Speaker 4: In a room.

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Speaker 1: Is there not an argument, like, listen, when you spend

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Speaker 1: that much time with one team, maybe it was better

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Speaker 1: for Mike to take a deep breath in some time off.

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Speaker 4: Is that fair?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely fair. I think the first part of

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Speaker 3: what you said. He's definitely got the glow of going

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Speaker 3: into an offseason not having the pressure in the weight

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Speaker 3: of having a team to prepare for. But he also

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Speaker 3: gets to, you know, spend some time with his family.

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Speaker 3: I think I was just texting one this morning's talking

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Speaker 3: about his daughter killing it a Georgia and gymnastics. But

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Speaker 3: as much as there can't be a long shelf life,

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Speaker 3: I don't think we provide coaches enough time to actually

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Speaker 3: find out if they were a good coach or Now.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of hit or miss, and you know,

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Speaker 3: after a year or two, it's, hey, we got to

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Speaker 3: What Mike has been able to accomplish, I know he

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Speaker 3: going to wonder is Mike Tomlin coming out of retirement

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Speaker 1: So Seattle, New England rare position. You guys really beat up.

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Speaker 1: Drake Maya had multiple sacks, He really struggled, probably his

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Speaker 1: I do think both are young, good mobile quarterbacks, defensive coaches.

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Speaker 1: There's talent all over the field, especially on the defensive side.

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Speaker 1: Let's first talk about Seattle. When you guys played them,

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Speaker 3: I thought they played through emotions. You know, they can

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Speaker 3: I tipped the ball and then Nick Herbig picked it off.

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Speaker 3: They were able to bounce back from that. And you

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Speaker 4: Now, New England was different.

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Speaker 1: They had a lot of new faces, free agents, five

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Speaker 1: rookies playing, and to be honest with you, it unraveled.

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Speaker 1: what my interpretation watching it was. Cam you got into

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Speaker 1: their head. You kind of intimidated them. You made Drake

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Speaker 1: May play faster than he was comfortable playing. So I imagine

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Speaker 1: you came out of that game and you're are you

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Speaker 3: I think it's indicative that you talk about how they

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Speaker 1: So Mike McCarthy is the new head coach. I had

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Speaker 1: And immediately he's already made upgrades to the staff, or

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Speaker 1: I've criticized Pittsburgh through the years. I've said, listen, the

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Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh for seven years has struggled to identify a

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Speaker 4: That's not a criticism, that's data.

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Speaker 1: I do think Mike makes you a little more current offensively,

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Speaker 1: What are your expectations.

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Speaker 3: I think you look at what our offense was this

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Speaker 3: look for DK Metcat to have a lot more in

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Speaker 3: just stuck on a number one corner. Let's mix it around.

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Speaker 3: Let's give him the ball in space. Because when he

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Speaker 3: Ireland game where they have the clip of Aaron throwing

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Speaker 3: DK the ball, one of the prettiest balls you ever see,

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Speaker 3: and him taking it eighty yards, that's what you want

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Speaker 1: Were you Aaron's an American iconic star. Pittsburgh is a

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Speaker 1: hard working, no nonsense town. He appeared to really enjoy Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Like from the outside, I'm like, oh, Aaron fitz here fight.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know if you would take me through the

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Speaker 1: year of Aaron and Pittsburgh and just the camaraderie, the

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Speaker 3: The camaraderie, the accountability, and just the playmaking. He's special

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Speaker 3: and I don't think you get enough. He gets enough

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Speaker 3: credit as a teammate, the way he prepares, the way

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Speaker 3: out Aaron. No, I'm just kidding. He hates Nickelback, but

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Speaker 1: You could call it a career and you're a Hall

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Speaker 1: of famer. What drives you at this point?

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Speaker 3: Uh One, I think is trying to win a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I still have more work to do

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Speaker 1: You are working with the American Cancer Society. You've always

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Speaker 4: Tell me about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a chance to, you know, come on

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Speaker 3: and be a co captain again with the American Cancer Society.

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Speaker 3: You know, cancer is pretty prevalent in my family with

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Speaker 3: and so be able to spearhead and you know, find

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Speaker 3: you know, find a good charts to be able to

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Speaker 3: save a lot of people's lives and help a lot

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Speaker 4: Cam You're a credit to the game and I appreciate

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: You bet a great, great player. I mean when you're

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Speaker 1: when you're a captain eleven times in your career, that

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Speaker 2: Turn on the news, this is the headline news.

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Speaker 6: Let's continue Super Bowl coverage.

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Speaker 7: Talking about Mike McDonald served under John Harbaugh in Baltimore

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Speaker 7: and McDonald talked about how Harball had an impact on

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's.

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Speaker 8: Possible to overstate his influence influence on me. I love

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Speaker 8: John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 3: He's a.

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Speaker 8: He's my one of my biggest mentors. All those principles

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Speaker 8: lot of the foundational principles that we that we brought

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Speaker 9: And he's also he's a great friend. He's got a

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Speaker 4: Boy McDonald has been a hit, hasn't he.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean he took that defense from Pete, moved it

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Speaker 1: McDaniel goes to Miami and they got all sorts of

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Speaker 1: it's harder to see, Oh, that coach has principles. But

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Speaker 1: when you watch how hard Seattle plays, that's the first

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Speaker 1: is they don't give up cheap touchdowns. That was always

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Speaker 1: the great strength of Belichick. To score on New England,

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Speaker 1: They didn't miss assignments. Seattle doesn't miss a lot of assignments.

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Speaker 6: Excellent team. He's had a great two year run. Look

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Speaker 7: There twenty four wins over the last two seasons, only

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Speaker 6: Like, that's pretty impressive for McDonald. I am curious. It's

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Speaker 6: tough to ask this, colin.

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Speaker 7: Do you think there's a lot of wiggle room here

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Speaker 7: for them to keep going and improve and be at

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Speaker 7: twelve to thirteen fourteen win team member they lose their

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Speaker 1: So I think where they're at, you know, Plateau gets

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Speaker 1: kind of a bad rap. I think Seattle is going

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Speaker 1: to be a double digit win team if John Snyder,

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald and Sam Donald are together. Boo, I think

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Speaker 1: they're a double But you and I know San Francisco

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Speaker 1: comes down to is the quarterback. Charles crossed the left tackle,

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Speaker 4: So they are really deep. They have no real holes.

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Speaker 1: Their online gets a bad rap the left side of

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Speaker 1: it's pretty good to me, So I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: look at them. That's the thing I feel like with

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Speaker 1: Minnesota firing their GM. It's not just that Sam was

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Speaker 1: good this year. You can see the runway for Seattle

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, this is gonna be a topic

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Speaker 1: for two three years. We don't know beyond that. But

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Speaker 1: Donald's got two more years left on his deal and

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Speaker 1: the cap hit remains incredibly Seahawk friendly. So and John

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Speaker 1: Snyder again, Now, but what's interesting, Jason, Now you're drafting

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Speaker 1: ask Kansas City and Buffalo. It gets real lean a.

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Speaker 7: Year ago though, we were saying Eagles, oh my god,

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Speaker 7: best roster in the league.

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Speaker 6: They won with defense.

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Speaker 4: We didn't like their coach though.

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Speaker 6: Well that's the thing.

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Speaker 7: We'll see what who they replaced Kubek with offensively after

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Speaker 6: That'll be interesting because Darnold has had a money damn good.

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Speaker 4: Year and that's a good job. Now, yes, that's a

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Speaker 4: really good job.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's move on.

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Speaker 7: To the NBA Colin Trained deadline is Thursday at three o'clock.

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Speaker 6: How about this.

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Speaker 7: Reports indicate that the Clippers and Cavaliers are looking toward

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Speaker 7: a deal centering around James Harden and Darius Garland. Now,

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Speaker 7: I wish you could channel the energy you had when

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Speaker 7: I asked you about James.

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Speaker 6: Harden off air.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to see him go to Cleveland.

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Speaker 7: Yeay, so he's thirty six years old. Garland is only

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Speaker 7: twenty six. On the surface, it feels like a weird swap.

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Speaker 7: Cleveland clearly is in the luxury tax and they're not

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Speaker 7: don't really want to pay it.

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Speaker 6: So I think they're looking to lessen the tax burden.

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Speaker 6: But let's be real. James Harden is a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 4: A winning player.

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Speaker 1: Everybody kept getting I mean, Darryl Morey just kept giving

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Speaker 6: Superstar Warriors with Durant and Curry.

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Speaker 1: They're not give him Westbrook and Houston give him Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul and they gave him. I mean, this guy got

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Speaker 1: more great teammates and solid coaches and everybody else is

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Speaker 6: So what you said, you're not Harden?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I mean he'll make the Hall of Fame, but there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the Hall that aren't winning

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Speaker 1: players led the league in scoring.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, how what are you doing the defensive end?

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Speaker 7: He was basically Michael Jordan before Michael Jordan got Phil

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Speaker 7: Collins College.

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Speaker 1: No, he was Phil Jackson. Michael Jordan was about winning.

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was not early, not early. Well, he was

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Speaker 6: He was Harden does not play much defense.

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Speaker 4: James Harden is known for the step back in nightclubs.

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Speaker 4: You am I wrong?

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Speaker 6: Cold blooded? Am I wrong? You're not wrong?

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Speaker 7: Final story con How about this? This just happened within

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Speaker 7: the last thirty minutes. Big trade in the NBA. The

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Speaker 7: Memphis Grizzlies, who have been trying to move John Morant,

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Speaker 7: instead move Jaren Jackson, their other best player, in a

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Speaker 7: massive trade.

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Speaker 6: He goes to the Utah Jazz.

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Speaker 7: The Jazz, I guess with Dwayne Wade and company are

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Speaker 7: Jaron Jackson, They've got Lori Markinen well, I thought they

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Speaker 7: would try to score Keyante Georgia, promising young player and

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Speaker 7: Walker Kessler.

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Speaker 6: No, they're going to be a good defensive team. They're

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 7: The problem and this is what's so tough. The West

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Speaker 7: is loaded. So even with this Utah changes, are they

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing this for the first time, but Jaron Jackson's

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Speaker 1: now Utah has four very good players.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: That feels like a playoff team.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Lakers are gonna have to do something because I

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Speaker 4: Utah is better.

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Speaker 6: They have more better players than the Lakers right now.

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Speaker 6: They do not high end like Lucas better than everybody.

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Speaker 1: And their best players occasionally like to defend too. So this,

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Speaker 1: this JAD team could be a problem. I don't know

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Speaker 7: Memphis got three first round picks and players, including Walsas.

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Speaker 1: But that's because Utah doesn't need those picks now, right,

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Speaker 1: And these picks are going to be Utah four really

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Speaker 6: Yeah, NBA is getting it and this is what I love.

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Speaker 7: Everybody says, Oh, well, these trades that they're talking about

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Speaker 7: Giannis and these certain teams, it never works like this.

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Speaker 7: Just trade, by the way, was not speculated. Nobody had

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Speaker 7: the Utah Jazz being buyers of Jared Jackson. So remember

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Speaker 7: Damian Lillard when he was getting traded, Oh it's the

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Speaker 6: Nobody had him going to the Bucks. Giannis is going

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Speaker 6: to a team that nobody's talking about now Utah.

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Speaker 4: Utah is not Now.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Utah is a not a very good

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Speaker 7: They're not, but they will be with Jackson and Kessler

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're not a factor now, but they're also young,

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Speaker 1: so this gives them. Yeah, I like now years Jared

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Speaker 1: Jackson been in the lad like.

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Speaker 6: Twenty seven, twenty six, twenty seven years ago. Yeah, he's young.

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Speaker 1: They've got four guys that you you know, Laurie Marken

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Speaker 4: You like twenty what does he have for twenty three

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Speaker 6: Yeah, something like that.

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Speaker 7: And also, by the way, they have young Ace Bailey

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Speaker 7: who's coming up? He is, he's got potential. Oh no,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they give it a couple of years. I

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Speaker 6: like the trade for Utah. We'll see what's going on

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Speaker 4: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: J McK of the news, Well, that's the news, and

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Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by the line News.

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Speaker 4: Sam Darnald the early years.

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Speaker 2: Next, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 2: Weekdays and Noone Easter non a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's the founder of Quarterback Summit, a program that

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Speaker 1: helps quarterbacks reach their potential. Played in the NFL for

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Speaker 1: six years, the Bengals, the Jags, the Bears, the Titans,

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Speaker 1: and and love Chicago as much as I do now.

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Speaker 1: His name is Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant in joining us.

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Speaker 1: Also founded Thread Performance Nutrition and company that helps young athletes.

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Speaker 1: So you've worked with Darnald since like high school, and

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Speaker 1: I remember at USC I think it was Sark if

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Speaker 1: I recall he was a freshman and Sark said to me,

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Speaker 1: he goes this kid from Oceanside. He goes, he's really good.

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Speaker 1: He's got to clean up some stuff. So go back

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Speaker 1: to the very early Sam Darnald days. What was obvious

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean I at him when he was fourteen,

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Speaker 10: and honestly, he was a redheaded, freckled kind of had

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Speaker 10: was joking around. I'm like, hey, that little redhead kid

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Speaker 10: and we were laughing about it.

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Speaker 9: Fast forward two years and he's.

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Speaker 10: In the Elite eleven and that was when I was like, oh,

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Speaker 10: that kid ended up being good. But really he redshirted

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Speaker 10: Freshman year, he was in a quarterback competition with Max Brown,

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Speaker 10: could transfer if he didn't win the job. It was

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Speaker 10: Clay Helton was the head coach at the time, and honestly,

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Speaker 10: Sam out performed him. But they opened up week one

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Speaker 10: remember him calling me right after he got the news

442
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Speaker 10: and being really upset and talking about it. I remember

443
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Speaker 10: that conversation about this is a rep and this is

444
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Speaker 10: your first time having to stay ready.

445
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Speaker 9: When you read shirt, you don't have to stay ready.

446
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 9: And they struggle. I think they went one three and.

447
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 10: When they pulled the trigger on Sam, you know, he

448
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 10: rattled off eight or nine straight Rose Bowl MVP beat Penn,

449
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 10: stayed on fourth down and kind of became Sam Darnold.

450
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Speaker 9: The Suck for Sam campaign started on the internet.

451
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Speaker 10: And watching him handle that and grow through that and

452
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Speaker 10: channel the frustration and not being named the starter but

453
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Speaker 10: being ready, I think really laid the groundwork for a

454
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Speaker 10: lot of these difficult situations that he's been in the

455
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Speaker 10: last decade and how well he's handled him.

456
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Speaker 1: When a guy, now Sam has had back to back

457
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Speaker 1: MVP level years. If Sam called you, Jordan has said, hey,

458
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Speaker 1: hey can I can I come down for a couple

459
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Speaker 1: of days?

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Speaker 4: What do you work on? Once a player's at a

461
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Speaker 4: high level, that's a great question.

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Speaker 9: I mean it's different.

463
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Speaker 10: Sam is Sam Burrow and a lot of college guys

464
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Speaker 10: are in this program. I operate in the space differently

465
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Speaker 10: than anybody else, and that everybody's on retainer for the year.

466
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Speaker 10: So with Sam and all my clients, it's broken into quarterly.

467
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Speaker 10: Phase one is whenever you start until spring. Phase two

468
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Speaker 10: is spring ball or OTAs in the NFL. Phase three

469
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Speaker 10: is your best opportunity for growth that's coming out of

470
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Speaker 10: spring or OTAs and going into summer. And then phase

471
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Speaker 10: four is the season. So in my office, I've got

472
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Speaker 10: a golf simulator. This is essentially a content studio, and

473
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Speaker 10: we break down practice and games and curate things on

474
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Speaker 10: a weekly basis. So I for the last whatever twenty

475
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Speaker 10: weeks or how many games he's played this year, we're

476
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Speaker 10: pulling things from games and sometimes mirroring and dropping it

477
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Speaker 10: into his folder. So he likes to, I think Tuesday

478
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Speaker 10: nights watch these and essentially kind of you almost outsource

479
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Speaker 10: your mechanics and which is becoming more normal, and so

480
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Speaker 10: we're curating things that started on a basketball court in February.

481
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Speaker 10: We typically go four to six weeks with him with

482
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Speaker 10: no football, and for five years he's been learning a

483
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Speaker 10: new offense, which means new footwork.

484
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Speaker 9: So we curate that in phase one, we see what sticks.

485
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Speaker 10: In phase two, which is OTAs address things that didn't stick,

486
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Speaker 10: build the off season programming for phase three, and then

487
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Speaker 10: in season it's about maintaining it and every now and

488
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Speaker 10: then introducing.

489
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Speaker 9: A new idea. And so an example of this was

490
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Speaker 9: last year in Minnesota.

491
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Speaker 10: He's five to zero on by week and he's sitting

492
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Speaker 10: on my couch right here, and we ran the numbers

493
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Speaker 10: and determined that the largest grouping of misses that he

494
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Speaker 10: had was outbreaking routes to the right, and it was

495
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Speaker 10: twenty four point six percent, I believe. And so we

496
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Speaker 10: addressed the mechanical issue, what he was doing mechanically and

497
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Speaker 10: what he was doing from an alignment perspective that was

498
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Speaker 10: causing those misses.

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Speaker 9: One hundred percent of those misses were a little bit

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Speaker 9: behind the guy. Zero of them were out in front.

501
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Speaker 10: So we gave him things to do around his house,

502
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Speaker 10: a golf club between his arms moving seeing that golf

503
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Speaker 10: club come into your peripheral vision, turned into tape on

504
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Speaker 10: the left shoulder pad building that peripheral vision, and it

505
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 10: was all around front side alignment drawing that shoulder closed.

506
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Speaker 10: Since then, he has not missed one to his right

507
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Speaker 10: behind the guy we're able to kind of press delete

508
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Speaker 10: on the future twenty four point six percent of your

509
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Speaker 10: misses in a contract year.

510
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Speaker 9: On the Super Bowl run.

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Speaker 4: So Drake may more of an East Coast guy.

512
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Speaker 1: You didn't have the West Coast connection to him initially,

513
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Speaker 1: when I feel like not that he's a work in progress.

514
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Speaker 1: I think he's a better quarterback than he was in September.

515
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Speaker 1: But like when you see him just TV, what jumps

516
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Speaker 1: out to you that you like about Drake may.

517
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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I like everything about Drake may I

518
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 10: remember Josh McCown, I backed him up in Chicago, who

519
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 10: was done playing, figuring out his next move, and was

520
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Speaker 10: telling me about this high school kid because he volunteered

521
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Speaker 10: coached in high school and he coached Drake May's team.

522
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Speaker 10: And then I saw Drake may at the Elite eleven,

523
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Speaker 10: so I'd been hearing about him. But I like everything,

524
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Speaker 10: And I know that's a bad answer.

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Speaker 3: Wise, he's a.

526
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Speaker 10: Combination of like Philip Rivers, just good old boy country cool.

527
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Speaker 10: What you see is what you get, but he's also

528
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Speaker 10: really funny. Nothing will change about him and his personalities.

529
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Speaker 10: He makes more money and has more success. He's one

530
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Speaker 10: of those guys.

531
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Speaker 9: Like Sam that just is not going to be any

532
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Speaker 9: different than he always was.

533
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Speaker 10: And it's well documented his older brothers holding him accountable

534
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Speaker 10: and keeping him humble, but physically he's this new era

535
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Speaker 10: of quarterback. I know there's been a lot of Josh

536
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Speaker 10: Allen comparisons, and I'm not comparing them. They have different resumes.

537
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Speaker 10: But what he did in his second year, Josh did

538
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Speaker 10: in his third. You know that jump Josh as it

539
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Speaker 10: was that third year, and I think there's a couple

540
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Speaker 10: of the same ingredients.

541
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Speaker 9: One just to say the name of the person, Stefan Diggs.

542
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Speaker 10: I think a guy that can create separation, that has

543
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Speaker 10: some savviiness to him and as a veteran. That was

544
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Speaker 10: the same in Josh's year three, and it was the

545
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Speaker 10: same in Drake's year two. A coordinator who knows what

546
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Speaker 10: the quarterback struggles with, so they don't call that a

547
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 10: whole lot, they don't ask him to do that a

548
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 10: whole lot with young guys. A lot of times that's

549
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 10: just full field progressions and then knowing what the strong

550
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Speaker 10: suit is, which is concepts where hey, if you get

551
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Speaker 10: to number three, they're not there already, be leaving the

552
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Speaker 10: pocket and scheming guys open. Another thing is Dawson Knox

553
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 10: was really good before Dalton Kinka got there. For Josh

554
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 10: Allen having a tight end who's always going to be

555
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Speaker 10: in the right spot at the right time and is rangey,

556
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Speaker 10: and they have that in Hunter Henry Ye in a

557
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Speaker 10: run game to compliment. And then the coordinator, you know,

558
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Speaker 10: Brian Gaebele for Josh and year three, Josh McDaniel's your

559
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Speaker 10: two here. So I think there's a lot of commonalities

560
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Speaker 10: and both. The last thing I'd say is, you know,

561
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Speaker 10: because of it's a defensive head coach. In both of

562
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Speaker 10: those situations, you're not asking you to be the team

563
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Speaker 10: leader as the young guy. Just just be the quarterbacks.

564
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Speaker 10: Just focus on that.

565
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Speaker 9: You don't need to be the vocal leader on the team.

566
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Speaker 9: You can grow into that.

567
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Speaker 10: So I see a lot of the similarities and and

568
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Speaker 10: and Drake is kind of one of those guys who's

569
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Speaker 10: been ready for the moment.

570
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Speaker 9: And I thought this was always a win, not an

571
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Speaker 9: if with Drake.

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Speaker 4: May I want to end it with this, it's important.

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendos, I don't know what his comp is, but

574
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Speaker 1: there was something about his gratitude and his humility. He's

575
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Speaker 1: obviously a plus size. I watched them at Penn State,

576
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Speaker 1: Miami game, Iowa game. In big moments, he really leaned in.

577
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Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't overwhelmed in big moments, pressure, big throws.

578
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Speaker 1: What I'm interested in your evaluation. You probably haven't gone

579
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Speaker 1: a mile deep yet. But what when you look at

580
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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza, do you see another quarterback or do you

581
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Speaker 1: just see a talented kid.

582
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Speaker 9: No. I think he's a franchise guy. I think he's

583
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 9: been a lot of success for early too.

584
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Speaker 10: I'm not comparing these guys because somebody might hear this

585
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Speaker 10: and go like, oh, you know, whatever they think, But really,

586
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Speaker 10: Alex Smith, I don't know what Alex Smith's forty time was,

587
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 10: but I know he could run and he would take

588
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Speaker 10: advantage of whatever it was there in front of him.

589
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 10: High processor those things. So I don't like comps. So

590
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Speaker 10: that's not a comp but it's in terms of the

591
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Speaker 10: mobility I think it is. And you know, Alex Smith

592
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 10: was the number one pick in the draft. But I

593
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Speaker 10: think you know, I've been around Fernando a lot, and

594
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Speaker 10: really the early days of CAL and a lot of

595
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Speaker 10: times he had to run around and make plays for

596
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Speaker 10: that offense to be able to win. And he had

597
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Speaker 10: a couple of big wins. I remember specifically almost beating

598
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Speaker 10: Florida State and he had like some bad calls I think,

599
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 10: and maybe a drop, but he made They lost the game.

600
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Speaker 9: At Florida State. CAL at Florida State, he.

601
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Speaker 10: Lost that game, but made like four or five plays

602
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Speaker 10: at the end where like he made the play, something

603
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 10: else happened.

604
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Speaker 9: But I could see a lot of this at CAL

605
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Speaker 9: with him.

606
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Speaker 10: And then this is just right place, right time, one

607
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 10: of the better stories ever in college football. But I

608
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Speaker 10: don't I don't know what his numbers are and all that,

609
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Speaker 10: but the percentage of times that he made the clutch

610
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 10: play when it was needed is really really high. And

611
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Speaker 10: then if you look at his interviews, you know, the

612
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Speaker 10: internet in the comment section has a lot of different

613
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Speaker 10: opinions on it. But like I've told him, like I

614
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 10: told his dad, and the thing that cannot change about

615
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 10: him is this guy is so pure.

616
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Speaker 9: He is just so who he is and so comfortable

617
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Speaker 9: in who he is. And we've talked on and off

618
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Speaker 9: camera about this over the years.

619
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Speaker 10: Colin I mean a lot of these guys are chameleons

620
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 10: and they try and fit into the situation that.

621
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Speaker 9: They're in, and I never see that work.

622
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Speaker 10: I think this guy is perfect for what they're trying

623
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 10: to do in Vegas and whatever role Brady plays in

624
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Speaker 10: that this is the perfect kind of quarterback to have.

625
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Speaker 9: Kind of under the washful eye of Tom Brady, the.

626
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Speaker 1: Founder of Quarterback Summit, also the founder of Thread performance

627
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: and nutrition company that exists to help young athletes fulfill

628
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: their physical and mental potential both on and off the field,

629
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Speaker 1: gives us insight. Sam Donald, I think you said red

630
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Speaker 1: hair buck teeth. It worked out well for Sam Donald.

631
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Speaker 1: Jordan has always great.

632
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Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks for having me, you bet.

633
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting about the chameleon part. There is you know,

634
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Speaker 1: you notice this that Jordan went back early days, Mendoza

635
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Speaker 1: early days, Drake May early days, Sam Donald. That Jordan

636
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: sees these guys and hears about him when they're thirteen,

637
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Speaker 1: fourteen years old, And I mean, I think that's that's

638
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Speaker 1: I mean, like his parents, you know, you're you're there

639
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: to support your kid. But by and large, the great

640
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: ones twelve, thirteen years old, fourteen years old, you can

641
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: see it. You can see it at camp, you can

642
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: see it somewhere around other kids.

643
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Speaker 6: That's early man.

644
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Speaker 7: Thirteen fourteen, Well, that's when he saw Sam Donald and go.

645
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Speaker 7: You know, you don't expect them to continue on that track.

646
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Speaker 7: A lot of the young prodigies go sideways, as we've

647
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Speaker 7: seen throughout the years.

648
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Speaker 4: Basketball, well, well, I think Donald was a prodigy or

649
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: Drake May.

650
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Speaker 1: But Josh McCown's like, I got this sixteen year old

651
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: kid before any of us had heard about it. He's

652
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: like this, this sophomore in high school. Keep your eye

653
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Speaker 1: on this kid.

654
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Speaker 4: And you're right. A lot of them, most of them

655
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Speaker 4: don't work.

656
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Speaker 7: A five star kid, it's tough to handle that man,

657
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Speaker 7: the pressure Joe Lombardi could, He's got