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Speaker 2: And while Bill is retiring as the Steelers announcer, he's

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Speaker 2: of their broadcast team for more than fifty years. I'll

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Speaker 2: look forward to seeing him on September seventh, when the

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Speaker 2: Panthers faced the UC Bearcats. Wow, let's get to my

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Speaker 2: first guest. Joe Daniman is a sports anchor and reporter

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Speaker 2: at Fox nineteen in Cincinnati and does that job as

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Speaker 2: well as anybody in the country. I often marvel at

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Speaker 2: his ability to find and tell great stories, and his

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Speaker 2: work ethic and hustle have earned him the respect of players, coaches,

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Speaker 2: fellow reporters, and most importantly, his viewers. We spent an

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Speaker 2: hour this week discussing his experiences covering the Bengals, as

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Speaker 2: well as the team's biggest question marks going into the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four season. Joe, for those who don't know,

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Speaker 2: we used to work together at Fox nineteen. I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to imagine what it would be like to be a

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati TV sports anchor in the Joe Burrow era? Can

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Speaker 2: you give your audience enough?

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, No, you can't. And the funny thing about

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, He's become a news topic because in the

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Speaker 1: local TV business there's sports and it's of this time

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Speaker 1: that's laid to itself by itself. But anything Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: to use this word, but it almost feels like it's

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Speaker 1: tabloid sometimes because we're talking to Joe Burrow about his hair,

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Speaker 1: we're talking to Joe Burrow about his outfits. But we

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Speaker 1: understand that those small peaks into his personality people care

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Speaker 1: about so much, and we don't get that much from Joe.

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Speaker 1: Even though we talk to him twice every week Wednesdays

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Speaker 1: So anytime we can get these small nuggets of personality

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Speaker 1: I don't think Cincinnati fans can get enough of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think news departments can get enough of Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: He's been a godsend for our business. He's great for business,

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Speaker 1: not just for Cincinnati football fans, but for media covering

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Speaker 1: this team because he's so much more than just an athlete.

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Speaker 1: He transcends that. He's become a news figure, a newsmaker

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Speaker 2: People ask me all the time, and I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: get the same question, what is Joe Burrow like? And

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Speaker 1: Like? Yeah, I think you're right. I think I answered

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Speaker 1: the person that they show us, because we only see

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Speaker 1: He said, all the things I've worn in the few

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Speaker 2: Then there's Jamar Chase. Is he an all time go

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Speaker 1: He is because I think I think he enjoys it.

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Speaker 1: And the great thing about Jamar is because I did

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Speaker 1: how precious every minute that the game ends that they

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Speaker 1: those guys. That's why Jamar is always our number one target,

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Speaker 1: because he's approachable, he's likable, he's fun, and he's honest.

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Speaker 1: And I thought what he did after the Browns game

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Speaker 1: be honest and fun doing interviews, and that's certainly Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things I like about him is

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Speaker 2: He doesn't retract. He's like, hey, I said it in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there's a little bit of to

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Speaker 1: But the way Jamar does that because you see NBA

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Speaker 2: Well I'm old and I love it too, so it

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Speaker 2: definitely applies to a lot of demographics. What were the

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Speaker 1: How grounded he is. I think that was the most

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Speaker 1: important thing. It was funny. I showed up to his parents'

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Speaker 1: The one thing was, though, there was a really nice

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Speaker 1: first thing you notice is this beautiful car in this

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow after the National Championship. And you think about

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. I did a podcast last year

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Speaker 2: Box nineteen sports director Joe Daniman as our guest. Let's

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Speaker 2: with the other wide receiver, t Higgins. Do you expect

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Speaker 1: But I do think, look, I've heard so many people

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned Joe Burrow, and what Joe says carry's wait,

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Speaker 1: where a lot of people still think that I do

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Speaker 1: it live in the morning, Like, man, you were on

432
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Speaker 1: the morning show and you're back to the night show. No,

433
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Speaker 1: we tape that late at night and it's like a

434
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Speaker 1: minute and a half editorial in opinion, And in that

435
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Speaker 1: editorial I talked about this where I said, I still

436
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Speaker 1: think Joe Mixon is undervalued by too many people within

437
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Speaker 1: the van base. I mean, you look at a guy

438
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: last year more than a thousand yards, what twelve total touchdowns,

439
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: big energy guy, locker room, difference maker, team captain, all

440
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: those things that people sometimes roll their eyes about when

441
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: they just look at raw analytical data. That stuff matters,

442
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: But so too does the way NFL teams now construct

443
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: rosters and Joe burrows price or excuse me, Joe Mixon's

444
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: price tag is probably just too high. I still think

445
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Speaker 1: he can be a difference maker in the NFL. I

446
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: still think he could be a difference maker in Cincinnati.

447
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Speaker 1: But you look at the way teams construct their rosters now,

448
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: and just look at the teams who played in the

449
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Final four last year in the NFL, the Ravens don't

450
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: spend high dollars on running backs. The Kansas City Chiefs

451
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: didn't spend high dollars on running backs, and even the

452
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Speaker 1: way you look at the NFC, even the way that

453
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey look, he's different. He's obviously a guy you know,

454
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Speaker 1: in the the S tier of running backs, so he's

455
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Speaker 1: constructed a little bit differently. But the point is the AFC,

456
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Speaker 1: you look at the top contenders, they're they're not high

457
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: dollar running back teams. So I would be pretty stunned

458
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Speaker 1: if that in a couple of weeks Joe Mixon's roster

459
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Speaker 1: bonus is picked up and therefore we get a clue

460
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Speaker 1: that Joe Mixon is going to be a Cincinnati Bengal

461
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Speaker 1: next year. I would be stunned by that. I would

462
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Speaker 1: be very surprised, just because I think this is where

463
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Speaker 1: you go younger, you go cheaper. The word we keep

464
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: hearing is more explosive. And it's a deep, deep running

465
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Speaker 1: back free agent pool. So I think if you sign

466
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Speaker 1: one running back and free agency and you draft another,

467
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: add some more explosion to the running back room, be

468
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Speaker 1: different there. Just because it wasn't good enough last year,

469
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Speaker 1: even though I still think Joe Mixon has good football,

470
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: played better football people think. I just think it's time.

471
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Speaker 1: It's time to go to a rookie deal running back

472
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Speaker 1: and maybe a cheap veteran that you can bring in

473
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Speaker 1: and kind of change up the running back room. So

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Speaker 1: I after seven years in Cincinnati, I think this is

475
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Speaker 1: likely it for Joe Mixon.

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Speaker 2: We'll see. You may be right. I'm sure the organization

477
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: is seriously considering that. I'm glad you said the positive

478
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Speaker 2: things about Joe that you did, because I think for

479
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: some reason, there's suddenly this wave of Joe Mixon stinks,

480
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: which is far from accurate. Yes, the explosiveness wasn't there

481
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: last year, but he did a lot of positive things.

482
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Speaker 2: I will throw this in as well. I think the

483
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Speaker 2: Bengals value loyalty and the fact that he took a

484
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: huge pay cut last year to help the team and

485
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: the salary cap is a factor. Is that overly sentimental

486
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: overly loyal I don't know. I do think he had

487
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: more than three hundred touches last year. Chase Brown had

488
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 2: about fifty. If Joan Nmixon his back, that number is

489
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: obviously going to change. It's going to be much closer

490
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: between the two. I think Joe has still a lot

491
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: of value to somebody as a quote unquote power running back,

492
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: maybe not somebody who gets fifteen to twenty touches a game.

493
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Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting to see they're there in the draft.

494
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: The Bengals have historically found great running backs in the

495
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: second round. They're probably due to use a relatively high

496
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: draft pick on a running back, so maybe this is

497
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Speaker 2: the year that they do that. So I kind of

498
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: fall on It's still fifty to fifty for whether Joe

499
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: is on this team next year, but certainly the salary

500
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: cap ramifications make it possible that they move on.

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Speaker 1: I do find it interesting, and we do this with

502
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Speaker 1: especially with coaches, when people say, oh, a coach needs

503
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: to be fired and coach needs to be let go. Okay,

504
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: who's going to be brought in that's better? And so obviously,

505
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, you can look into the draft. You can

506
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: get younger, you can get more explosive, you can get cheaper.

507
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: But when you look at the free agent pool and

508
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: guys that might fit the power back square peg and

509
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: square hole that Joe Mixon would be, are we talking

510
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: AJ Dillon not an explosive back? Are we talking Clyde

511
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire not an explosive back. I mean, these are

512
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: guys with similar skill sets. And what I think you

513
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: said about Joe Mixon and the number of carries he took,

514
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: the guy's availability. He's always available, and I think that's

515
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: important to that position because I mean, look, he's played

516
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: seven years in the NFL. I don't have his stats

517
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: in front of me. I don't have his numbers in

518
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: front of me. Joe Mixon has never had a major injury.

519
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: The guy's always available to play.

520
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had one season where he only played six games.

521
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: That was the year before the Super Bowl season. Other

522
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: than that, he has rarely missed the game.

523
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Speaker 1: And I think that matters, right, I mean, that's a

524
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: huge part of that position. Is a guy that takes

525
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: the ball two hundred and fifty times and has a

526
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: car wreck two hundred and fifty times in an NFL

527
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: season and gets up every time, gets up with energy,

528
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: comes back to the locker the locker room, comes back

529
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: to the huddle, and is willing to do it again.

530
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: Loyalty matters to the Cincinnati Bengals. His influence inside that

531
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: room matters, But so too does the cap number. And

532
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: that is the discussion that the Bengals have to have

533
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: and it's a hard one. It's a hard one because

534
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: the Bengals are different in that way. The Bengals are

535
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: different than other teams. Loyalty matters to the Cincinnati Bengals,

536
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: and again, it's one of those things that I'm sure

537
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: part of the fan base rolls their eyes on. But

538
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: I think when you have the discussion about the Cincinnati

539
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: Bengals and about Joe Mixon, it's a great point to make, Dan,

540
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: because that's the reality of the situation. That's the way

541
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: the Bengals handle these kinds of things. And I do

542
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: think when you look at getting rid of somebody, the

543
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: question is, Okay, who do you replace that with. Joe

544
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: Mixon's been reliable for a long time here in Cincinnati,

545
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: and I still think he has good football left in him.

546
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: And you're right, I feel like the pendulum has swung

547
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: too far on the hate on Joe Mixon when it

548
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: comes to his production on the field.

549
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: That is completely where I am on that topic. Will

550
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: the Bengals starting right tackle next year be a veteran

551
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: free agent or a highly drafted rookie both.

552
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I think that's the way to fix the position. I

553
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: think you sign a bridge right tackle, and you draft

554
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: a right tackle either with your first or second pick.

555
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: Most likely, I would say you probably drafted with your

556
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: first pick, and so therefore you get the one year

557
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: bridge of a veteran guy. Then you bring your rookie in,

558
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: you start to develop him and have him ready to

559
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: play there starting maybe next year, maybe even how every

560
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: things work out. Plus, they need Dan, they need some depth,

561
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: they need to swing tackle because they have Orlando Brown,

562
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: they'll have whoever they plug in it right tackle, and

563
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: after that it gets really thin. So I think the

564
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: move here for the Bengal when it comes to the draft,

565
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to free agency about right tackle is

566
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: is sign a veteran, even if he's just a bridge guy,

567
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: and then draft your tackle. Because what's the one thing

568
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: everybody said at the combine last week. This draft is

569
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: deep with tackles, and it's gonna be interesting watching this

570
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: because we're gonna have the run on quarterbacks at the top.

571
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: Then there's gonna be their run on wide receivers with

572
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison and Roma Dunze and maybe even one other

573
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: more jumping up there in the top ten or twelve.

574
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: But there's these four to five offensive tackles that I'm

575
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: sure the Bengals have are first round grade on I'm

576
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: gonna be so interested in watching where these guys drop.

577
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: Will one of them drop to the Bengals. I'm pretty

578
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: certain there won't be five offensive tackles taken in the

579
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: first seventeen. There might be four, there might be three.

580
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: But I do think if the Bengals do value the

581
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: draft the way it seems most mock drafters are, there's

582
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those guys available at eighteen. So

583
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: I believe it's sign a veteran draft one. You've got

584
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: then this year taking care of with your bridge tackle.

585
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: But also you have depth now at tackle, because what

586
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals did at offensive line last year of having

587
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: five guys start all seventeen games is unheard of. It's

588
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: unheard of, and it can't happen again. Knock on wood,

589
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: It will happen again, but it's you have to prepare

590
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: like that won't happen again. So they need depth, and

591
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: I think that's the best way for this team to

592
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: approach it is sign one Draft one, and therefore you

593
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: have some depth, and you also have right tackle taken

594
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: care of.

595
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: Even if five tackles are selected before number eighteen. You

596
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: still see tackles six, seven and eight listed on a

597
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: lot of mock drafts as first round picks. But I

598
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: do think when you get into six, seven and eight,

599
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: now you're talking about guys that might not be ready

600
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: to start on day one, and that's where it really

601
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: becomes a wise move to add a veteran who has

602
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: started before, a Riley Reef kind of guy that you're

603
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: not projecting to be your long term answered right tackle,

604
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: but somebody that covers you just in case that youngster

605
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: that you choose, if they choose one at number eighteen,

606
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: isn't quite ready enough from day one.

607
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: And the most important thing here when talking about this

608
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: is this team has to be extra protective of Joe Burrow.

609
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: We all understand that because what happened last year. It

610
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: just you have to limit the number of times he

611
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: takes a hit, and we all know that. And so

612
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: to put a rookie right tackle out there with Joe

613
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Burrow coming back from a season ending injury, from Joe

614
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: coming back from all the stuff he's had to deal

615
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: with in training camps before, to put a rookie out

616
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: there tarred right, you know, this is the franchise you have.

617
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: You have to protect the merchandise. I got to have

618
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: a security guard who's done this for ten years on

619
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: the night shift, right, you know, who understands that he's

620
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: protecting the Crown Jewel. He knows what to look out for.

621
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing. Instead of bringing in this guy,

622
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's a hot shot security guard. He's

623
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: gonna be great, but you know, he maybe doesn't know

624
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: everything that that guy who's been doing it for several

625
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: years knows. So when you're protecting the merchandise, I feel

626
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: like you have to have someone who's been out there,

627
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: who's seen it, he knows what he's doing. I wouldn't

628
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: feel comfortable as a coaching staff, as a front office

629
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: putting a rookie right tackle out there knowing what Joe

630
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: Burrow just overcame, Joe Burrow just dealt with, and knowing

631
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: the investment this team's going to make in the rest

632
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: of the roster. They're paying t Higgins if he does

633
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: come back and play the one year on twenty one

634
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: million dollars. You've kept the band back together, You've kept

635
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: the window open, You've made this investment in t. Higgins.

636
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: You have helped the roster out. Whatever you do with

637
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and stafety in corner and Joe's back, don't

638
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: let that be the weak link that gets Joe hurt

639
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: and this whole thing blows up again. So I do

640
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: think the Bengals have to address right tackle in free

641
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: agency and not rely on a rookie to debt Joe Burrow.

642
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 2: What are your other biggest free agent priorities defensive tackle?

643
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: This is the most fascinating part of the Bengals offseason

644
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: to me is what they do here. Because you know

645
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: you want to go big game hunting. There are some

646
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: big game hunters out there looking for Christian Wilkins and

647
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: Chris Jones. Now, when I see the price tags that

648
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: these guys are going to get and the guarantee money

649
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: that Christian Wilkins is going to want to get, I

650
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: think that probably takes him out of the Bengals ballpark.

651
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: But boy, didn't they surprise us all last year with

652
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown exactly?

653
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the old rules don't apply. If I had

654
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: to make a bet on Christian Wilkins, I would guess

655
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: probably not. But because of the Orlando Brown situation last year,

656
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: where nobody thought it was possible. I don't rule anything out. Well,

657
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: maybe Chris Jones, but not Christian Wilkins.

658
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he fits. He checks every box the Bengals

659
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: need from that position, right with his pass rushing, with

660
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: the character guy being the captain, his age, all that

661
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: stuff looks like to me. And look, if you have

662
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: to guarantee this guy all this money, he's twenty eight

663
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: years old. Maybe the last year of the contract isn't great,

664
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: maybe the last two years of the contract aren't great.

665
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: But again, when you're in this window, and Joe has

666
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: famously said the window is my career, and I believe

667
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: him on that, and he's right on that. It's the

668
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: window is not incumbent on T Higgins. The window is

669
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: incumbent on Joe Burrow being back there throwing passes. But

670
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: the point is, when you have the roster the Bengals

671
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: are expected to have, and you can find a difference

672
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: maker right there at defensive tackle, and Christian Wilkins is

673
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the biggest a difference maker on the market. I don't

674
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: expect that to happen, but you're right, who knows what

675
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: will happen after what happened with Orlando Brown, there were

676
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: some mid tier guys that kind of fit the billing

677
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: a little bit better. We've heard the names tier Target,

678
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: We've heard the names day Kwon Jones. Those are guys

679
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: that can come in and be a difference maker. It

680
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: would be it would be cool to see the Bengals

681
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: use the first round pick on a defensive tackle that

682
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: can be here for a long time and be a

683
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: difference maker. To me, that's the the hard decision here

684
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: for the Bengals. I feel like number eighteen has to

685
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: be offensive line or defensive line. The question is everything

686
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: I've said about not relying on a rookie to protect

687
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, but you got to find someone you're going

688
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: to put there for four to five years like they

689
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: did with Jonah Williams on the left side first, now

690
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: the right side. First. I don't think you're going to

691
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: find anybody in free agency better than Jonah. But I

692
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: think you can find someone laterally close to Jonah, and

693
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: then you can find a draft pick and you can

694
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: develop and hope they turn out to be even better.

695
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: But the point being, that's a hard conversation for Duke

696
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: Tobin and his staff figure out do we go find

697
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: a difference maker with number eighteen at defensive tackle? Do

698
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: we use that on a right tackle to protect Joe Burrow?

699
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: And can we find in free agency those difference makers

700
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: we've got to find at defensive tackle and can that

701
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: be done with middle tier guys? That's the big That's

702
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: the hardest thing to me is can you find the

703
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: difference making guys? If you're not going to get Christian Wilkins,

704
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: not going to get Chris Jones, can you find the

705
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: guy who can be a difference maker like DJ Reader?

706
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. That's why defensive tackle

707
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: to me, seems the most fascinating part and honestly feels

708
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: like the biggest domino of this team has in their offseason.

709
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: What are they going to do in free agency defensive tackle?

710
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: And how will that affect how they draft?

711
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: So if they are most likely to help either the

712
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: offensive or defensive line with her first round pick, what

713
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: about the brock Bauers factor If he's there at eighteen,

714
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: does that change the calculus?

715
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: I think it does. I really do, because I think

716
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: you now get into who is the third pass catcher

717
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: on this team? We all expect table Boyd will be

718
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: playing somewhere else next year. We wonder can Charlie Jones

719
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: step straight into the slot right now and be a

720
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: difference maker? And oh I would love to see Joe

721
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: Burrow with the difference making tight end. Well, that'd be

722
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And I do think it's a

723
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: luxury for this team understanding their needs at two very

724
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: important positions at right tackle and defensive tackle. I don't

725
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: think he's going to be there, Dan, I don't think

726
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: he's going to be there, So I don't think they're

727
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: going to have to have a hard decision. I think

728
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: he's actually gonna go higher than most people project, because

729
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: he's that good. When I watch him play, I was

730
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: we were in Nashville. We were in Nashville for the

731
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: Bengals game against the Titans, and Jeremy Row and I

732
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: stopped at a cheeseburger spot right near the stadium the

733
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: night before the game, and they had the Georgia I

734
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: believe Tennessee game on at the bar, and he caught

735
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: this pass and he got hit by two people and

736
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: it knocked him backwards, but he kept his feet, ran

737
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: down the sideline, beat the safety to the pie line,

738
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: and jumped to the ends and I said, a guy

739
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: that big, with that kind of balance, it's so rare

740
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: and so special that I would love to see it

741
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: as a But it almost feels like I feel like

742
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: a fantasy football player doing this, you know, And it's

743
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: not the way this team needs to construct itself going forward.

744
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: But I do think it checks the box of wondering

745
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: who's your third pass catcher is going to be and

746
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: understanding that T Higgins might not be a inside of

747
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: Bengal after this year, and so now you got Jamar Chase,

748
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: who they're going to lock up with a long term

749
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: deal on tep here forever. And then they're going to

750
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: have the secondary guy. Boy, it's intriguing. Boy, it's tempting.

751
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: It very tempting, I do think, And lucky's not the

752
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: right term, because I think Bangal fans would feel lucky

753
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: to have him drop there. I think lucky for the

754
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: front office, they're not going to have to make that

755
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: decision because I think he'll be gone and I think

756
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: they can stick to the board of offensive or defensive tackle.

757
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: But I'll say this, I'll just go ahead and say

758
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: that brock Bowers is there and they pass on him,

759
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: there will be a lot of people who for the

760
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: next ten years, for every All Pro team and every

761
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl team and every ring that Brock Bauers wins,

762
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: it'll be the oh my gosh, we didn't draft Brock Bowers.

763
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you. I don't think he'll be

764
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: there at number eighteen. But I also agree with you

765
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: that I would take him if he somehow slipped that far.

766
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: And it's all about the yards after catch. It's not

767
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: about Brock Bauers running up the scene twenty five yards

768
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: down the field. That's what the wide receivers do in

769
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: the Bengals offense. It's catching an eight yard pass and

770
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: turning into a twelve yard gain instead of an eight

771
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: and a half yard game. Think how valuable that is.

772
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: When a guy catches sixty to eighty passes to basically

773
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: tack on three or four yards on almost everyone. That

774
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: is such an incredible weapon that I don't think you

775
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: could pass on it if it were there for you.

776
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: And you think about the guys that Joe has played

777
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: with a tight end and how he elevated cj Uzama,

778
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: he elevated Hayden Hurst and they both got paid because

779
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: of it. Now you add a guy that can elevate Joe.

780
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: That's something he hasn't had he has. I mean, you

781
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: stick back to when he was playing in college. You know,

782
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: he had Thaddeus Moss, who was who had a cup

783
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: of coffee in the NFL. But even then he didn't

784
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: have a real true star tight end like he could

785
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: have right now. I would love I personally would just

786
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: love to see Burrow operate with a guy like that

787
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: and see what he can do. But I also think

788
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: it goes back to again, it goes back to having

789
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: that third pass catcher and who's it going to be,

790
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: because I don't think the Bengals know who that person's

791
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: going to be going forward. I think they drafted Charlie

792
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: Jones with the idea it would be him, And I

793
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: think Charlie Jones, certainly from what I saw at training

794
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: camp and the way he was able to operate there

795
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: in the small space quickness that I saw, I think

796
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity there. But the guy's got to prove

797
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: it on this level and going forward. Then you're wondering

798
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: about t Higgins in his future. So I just think

799
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: not only does brock Bauers check the box stand of

800
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: having this weapon of a guy who can move the

801
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: chains on third and six or third and seven and

802
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: get that extra yard or extra two yards and maybe

803
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: break one into an explosive play. But I also think

804
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: you're also so checking the box of Okay, now we've

805
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: got Joe's secondary pass catcher for the next five to

806
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: seven years with Jamar Chase right.

807
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: The number three target does not have to be a

808
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: slot receiver. It can be a position. It could easily

809
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: be the tight end. I think Charlie Jones has a

810
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: chance to be a very good NFL player. My concern

811
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: is more the durability than the production. Once we got

812
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 2: to meet him and saw him up close and personal

813
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: in the locker room. He is not a big man.

814
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: He's not thick. He's quick and fast, but he's not

815
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: thick and crossing the middle of the field and taking

816
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: a lot of hits. It'll be interesting to see if

817
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: he's the type of guy that can play seventeen games

818
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 2: in NFL season, like a sturdy Tyler Boyd typically does,

819
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: or if he's going to be a guy that has

820
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: bumps and bruises and has to miss the occasional game.

821
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you look at that position, it's

822
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word undervalued because it's

823
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: become super valued in the NFL, but just the value

824
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: of being available, like you said, of a guy who

825
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: can make the catch, can make the catch in traffic,

826
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: can take the hit, and then being a guy that

827
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: can break a tackle and get a first down. And

828
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: you made that point about Brock Powers, and I think

829
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: about so many times where Tyler caught a ball, slipped

830
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: to tackle and got the extra yardage that you needed

831
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: to get a first down. Until I see Charlie. I'm

832
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: not saying Charlie can't do it. I just don't know

833
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: if he can. And I have to see it on

834
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: the NFL level before I know if he can do it.

835
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: So to me that that's a big question for this

836
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: team going forward. But I yea to your point and

837
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: the point we've made here talking about rock Powers, people

838
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: have to think about past catching weapons. It doesn't always

839
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: have to be a wide receiver, your third option, your

840
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: second option can be a tight end in the modern NFL.

841
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: And you look at the teams to Dan who played

842
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: like I mentioned with the running backs in the final

843
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: four of the NFL. Look at Detroit, look at San Francisco,

844
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: look at Kansas City and look at Baltimore, all with

845
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: all pro level it ends, and how much that position

846
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: has become of value in the NFL. It has been

847
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: really interesting to watch here in the last ten years.

848
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Kansas City, it's not your second or third option.

849
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: It's your first and has been for a long time,

850
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: all right. Similar to the Joe Mixon conversation earlier, it

851
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: seems like a lot of negativity has been directed toward

852
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: Dak Dax Hill this offseason. Obviously, he did not have

853
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: a great year in his first year as a starter.

854
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: What do you think happens at safety?

855
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: That's a great question, because that, to me was the

856
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: most interesting thing I heard at the NFL combine of

857
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: the time we had with Duke and Zach Taylor. They

858
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: said everything I expected them to say about t Higgins.

859
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: They said everything I expected them to say about Joe Mixon.

860
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: Same with Joe Burrow at his recovery. It was what

861
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: they said about Dax Hill to me that I thought

862
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: was most interesting. And I understand he's not an a

863
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: tier level story like Tea and Joe and Joe, But

864
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: what Dax Hill them saying he can play corner, he

865
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: can play slot corner, he might play safety. To me,

866
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: it's very interesting for them to figure out the best

867
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: way to deploy him because understanding and look, I think

868
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: you can look at the NFL free agent market, Dan

869
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: and you can see there's a lot of tight ends,

870
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of running backs, there's a lot of safeties,

871
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: and what have been the positions that have been devalued

872
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: so to speak here in the last ten to fifteen

873
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: years in the NFL. I would say running back and

874
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: safety have been devalued in the market. So there's a

875
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: lot of guys out there right for safety. And with

876
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: Dax Hill, you know, I saw someone use the phrasing

877
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: that it was a failure for Dax Hill this last

878
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: year's playing in his first full year in the NFL.

879
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: You know, he basically we had a red shirt year

880
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: his first year and then he played in his first

881
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: full year last year. I like some of the moments

882
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: from Dak so I thought there were moments that I

883
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: really liked. The bigger picture, it's you know, when you're

884
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: back there and you're playing he's only played for one year.

885
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: He's got to see it better, right, don't He has

886
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: to see everything that's happening better. And he's played a

887
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: lot of football. You know, he played a lot of

888
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: football in that position to Michigan, but he's only played

889
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: one year in the NFL, and he's just got to

890
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: see it better. Once he sees it better, everything is

891
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: there for this guy to be successful. His size, his speed,

892
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: the athleticism, the way he carries himself. I feel like

893
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: he's committed to being a great pro and a good

894
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: member of this football team. But I also feel like

895
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: Dan from the conversations I had with him because this

896
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: came up mid season, I feel like he wants to

897
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: be a safety. Yes, And the questions that come up

898
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: with Okay, is he gonna move to corner? He is

899
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: he gonna move to slot corner? I don't know. I

900
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: feel like because he's a pro and he's a mature guy,

901
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: that he'll do whatever he has to do to be

902
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: on the field and help the team be successful. But also,

903
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: at the same time, when you're an employer and you

904
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: have an employee who has a passion for something, I

905
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: feel like you have to let that person pursue that passion.

906
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: And if Daxil wants to be a safety, and Daxil's

907
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: committed to proving he can be a safety. I feel

908
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: like that matters in the conversation here. When you're asking

909
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: a guy to move positions, you're moving him out of

910
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: the position he wants to play. So bottom line is

911
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: the Bengals have to be better at safety. You can

912
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: pull up any number you want, any chart you want,

913
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: and you'll see all the explosive plays that the Bengals

914
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: gave up last year. Partly that's on the safeties. Partly

915
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: it's on everybody on defense. But the safety position has

916
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: got to be better this year. I think they have

917
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: something to work with with Jordan Battle. I think they

918
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: have to go sign someone in free agency to play safety.

919
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: I think obviously Nick Scott didn't work. I don't expect

920
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: Nick Scott to be a Bengal next year. But still

921
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: and what they do with him and understanding he wants

922
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: to play safety fascinates me. What lou Anrumo and Zach

923
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: Taylor will figure out here, because they got to figure

924
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: out here pretty quickly because what they're going to do

925
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: with Dak Hill affects how they're going to target safeties

926
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: in the free agent market, so to me, along with

927
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and what they do with that, and that

928
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: Domino affecting the draft is the number one most fascinating

929
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: story to me of the offseason. Number two is Dak

930
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: Still and what they do with him, with him being

931
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, a first round draft pick only

932
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: entering year three, what they do with him to me

933
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: so interesting. Understanding that he wants to be a safety,

934
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: he believes he can be a good safety, and all

935
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: the bank was willing to give him another season to

936
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: go out and prove he can be.

937
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: I interviewed Greg Cosell at the NFL Combine last week.

938
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: He shared that he was sitting next to Jim Harbaugh

939
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: watching drills at the combine and asked him about Dax Hill.

940
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: Jim Harbo obviously coached Dax Hill at Michigan, and Jim

941
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: Harbaugh said, when we coached him, we were looking at

942
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: him as a possible corner. He wanted to play safety then,

943
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: which is a major reason why Michigan played him both

944
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: at safety and as slot corners. So you're right, this

945
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: is the position that he wants to play, and that

946
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: in and of itself doesn't necessarily dictate where his long

947
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: term future is going to be. But I think football

948
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: is a very complicated game. It's hard to understand all

949
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: of the ramifications for why big plays are given up

950
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: or whatever goes wrong on defense. And because it's complicated,

951
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: we look for simple answers, and people have decided the

952
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: simple answer was that Dax Hill had a bad year

953
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: and didn't see it well, and therefore, you know, move on,

954
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 2: go sign a free agent, make him the safety, which

955
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: I don't think is going to happen. I do think

956
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: they'll sign Will. There are a ton of them out there,

957
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: and they fit what the Bengals look for in free

958
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: agency mid twenties, second contract, good track record, won't break

959
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: the bank. I think they're going to have about four

960
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: or five guys that fit that description and they'll be

961
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: able to sign one. But I also made this point

962
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: the other day. If you just look at Pro Football

963
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: Focus rankings, not the be all end all, but Dax

964
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: Hill's number last year was virtually identical to Jesse Bates

965
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: PFF ranking the Super Bowl season. It's a position where

966
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: the numbers very wildly, and I'm not quite sure why

967
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: that is. I don't necessarily understand all the ramifications of

968
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: how PFF comes up with these numbers where safeties are concerned,

969
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: But Jesse had three great ratings in his five years

970
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati and two terrible ones, and I would not

971
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: be the least bit surprised if Dax Hill is the

972
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: guy next year whose number jumps exponentially because he's got

973
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: a year of experience under his belt, some of the

974
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: things that caused him to have a bad ranking don't happen,

975
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: and a year from now we're leg well, thank heavens

976
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: are still playing them at safety.

977
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: Well, I think the thing about Jesse Bates was, and

978
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, having the great three PFF years and

979
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: the two down years, but the one thing he always

980
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: had was the big plays, the big moments, the wow moments,

981
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: the Jesse Bates interceptions or the plays that he made

982
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: in the AFC Championship, those kind of moments. Dax hasn't

983
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: had those moments. And a lot of times, when you're

984
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: playing safety, those moments are dictated by the nine guys

985
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: in front of you, in front of the two safeties

986
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: who are creating havoc, who are placid to their guys,

987
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks are trying to force throws to get rid

988
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: of it because of a guy in their face or

989
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: because there's nobody open, and I think Jesse was the

990
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: beneficiary of that a lot. Now Jesse has gone on

991
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: to play at the best level he's ever played last

992
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: year when he was playing in Atlanta. So I do

993
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: think there's an untapped ceiling for Dax Hill that can

994
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: be helped by a more playmaking defense, a more disruptive front. Obviously,

995
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson has done what he does. Can the Bengals

996
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: get more from guys up front to allow Dax to

997
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: make more plays in the back. And I do think

998
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: it's important. When I talked about you talked about the

999
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: story that Greg Cosell said about Jim Harbal that when

1000
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: we were talking to Dax about the idea of moving

1001
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: from safety to corner, this was mid season, and it

1002
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: was a guy. This isn't a guy who's going to

1003
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: be a malcontent inside the Bengals locker room if he's

1004
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: moved to corner. I think he's a mature guy. And

1005
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: that's been the number one thing that stood out to

1006
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: me about Dax Hill since day one of the Bengals

1007
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: drafted him. He felt older. He hit the demographic of

1008
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: a guy who looked like he was in the league

1009
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: for five to seven years and carried himself in that way.

1010
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: So I think if the Bengals say this is what

1011
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: you're going to do, are you okay with it? He's

1012
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: going to do whatever it takes to help this team

1013
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: be successful and help himself be successful, because when you're

1014
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: entering year three, you're starting to feel think about year

1015
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: four and getting that next deal and whatever you can

1016
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: do to get a big pay day from then on out,

1017
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: whether it's in Cincinnati or somewhere else, you're going to

1018
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: do to make yourself as marketable as possible. I thought

1019
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: what Jonah Williams said Dan before last year about the

1020
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: idea of moving from left tackle to right tackle and

1021
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: playing a different position. It's not the same as moving

1022
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: from safety to corner, but it's a different position. And

1023
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: Jonah was saying, look, you know, I know I'm probably

1024
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: only here for a year, but it benefits me and

1025
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: it benefits the Bengals if I play well, because Jonah's

1026
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: gonna get paid and the Bengals get a great year

1027
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: of football out of Jonah Williams. And I thought he

1028
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: was really solid last year playing right tackle. So I

1029
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: think the same thing has to go for daxx Hill.

1030
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: That if he is moving to slot corner, it behooves

1031
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: both him and Bengals for him to play good football.

1032
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: For the Bengal was getting a good player doing good

1033
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: things this year, and also for Dax Hill to up

1034
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: his value for when he does become a free agent

1035
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: going forward. But I do think it's important that everybody

1036
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: understands this guy's only played one year and he didn't

1037
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: have the running mate that Jesse Bates had here in

1038
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: Von Bell and what a difference maker he was probably

1039
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: for Jesse and his production. Dax hasn't had that. It

1040
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: was a bit of a revolving door last year of

1041
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: Nick Scott and Jordan Battle, who was a rookie himself,

1042
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: So that kind of stuff matters. I don't want to

1043
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: sit here and sound like I'm carrying water for Dax Hill,

1044
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: but I think it's important to understand one year, the

1045
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: guy's only played one year and he didn't have the

1046
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: everything around him that Jesse Bates had. So it's me

1047
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: you're asking me. I want to see what Dax Hill

1048
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: can do a second year of starting a third year

1049
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL at that position. But Low and Zach

1050
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and Lou and Zach are going

1051
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: to deploy him the best way they can for him

1052
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: to be successful.

1053
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: All Right, a.

1054
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 2: Couple more questions for Fox nineteen's Joe Daniman before we

1055
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: wrap things up. I want to circle back to the

1056
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 2: Super Bowl for a second. Aside from driving Jamar's parents

1057
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: to the team hotel, what was the highlight of that

1058
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: experience for you?

1059
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: When I walked out onto the field for Super Bowl Sunday,

1060
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: I remember feeling, Wow, this feels just like any other Sunday.

1061
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: There aren't a ton of people on the sidelines. And

1062
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: then I walked about ten feet further. I'm like, Oh,

1063
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: there's the rock that's different. Oh wait, there's Devin Booker.

1064
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: That's different. Oh there's Don Cheatle, there's Justin Bieber. I mean,

1065
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: the amount of star power on the sideline was so different,

1066
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: and to me, that will ever forever stand out as

1067
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: what made it feel so different. I remember putting my

1068
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: bag down, my bag of like the microphone and the

1069
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: batteries and everything, right up against a wall. And if

1070
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: you think about Sofi Stadium, they have these suites that

1071
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: are constructed right there at field level, and I put

1072
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: my bag down and it was one of the Kardashian sisters.

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00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: When I looked up, I'm like, well, that's this is

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00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: completely different. So I spent my time taking pictures of

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00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: all these celebrities here in these front suites instead of

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00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: actually doing my job and shooting the game, to take

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: these pictures and send back to my wife because you

1078
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: know she loves the yellow celebrities and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: I do remember this. I remember it being twenty to

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00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: sixteen and I was standing next to a guy on

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00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: the sideline who didn't look like he had a dog

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00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: in the fight. I'm from Cincinnati. I know all the

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00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: history and all the scores of all the big games

1084
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals have played in. And I turned to this guy,

1085
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: I said, it's twenty to sixteen. There were two minutes left.

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00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: Do you realize that was the final score of the

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00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: Bengals Super Bowl twenty three loss? And the guy looks

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: at me like I don't care. Then I said to him,

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00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: I said, to the same guy right there, I said,

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: it's been amazing how much of a non factor of

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00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: the referees have been in this game. And then boom,

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00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: just like that, just like that on Logan Wilson, and

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00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: I said announcers jinks. Announcers jinks. So those are the

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00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: moments that I pull out from that were just the

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00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: number of celebrities, and then what happened there in the

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00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: final two minutes just from my vantage point and seeing

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00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: I al say, have another funny story. So it's the

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00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: final minute of the first half and me being an

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00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties kid who grew up with Doctor Dre

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00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg, and this halftime show that was going to

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00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: just be the most amazing thing. I couldn't wait for it.

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00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: So about a minute to go in the half, they

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00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: put the media room so far away from the field,

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00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: and my battery is flashing. That means I have about

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00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: one minute left in my battery. I'm covering the super Bowl, right,

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00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I've got to get every moment something big can happen.

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00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: But if I try to use halftime to try to

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00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: walk out of here and get my battery, then I'm

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00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna miss most of the halftime show. So I put

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00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: the camera down and I go running to get the

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00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: battery and miss the final minute of the first half

1112
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl so I won't miss the halftime show. Luckily,

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00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,479
Speaker 1: nothing amazing happened in the final minute of the first half.

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00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: Otherwise I would have thought about this big. But I

1115
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: got to see the halftime. So the cool thing was damn.

1116
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: When I was running in the tunnel to get back

1117
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: to the media room, they had these like low ride

1118
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: convertibles with hydraulics and they were testing him because that's

1119
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: what they wrote down. I'm like, oh, there's Doctor Dre,

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00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: there's Snoop Dogg sitting and they had these huge security

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Speaker 1: guys protecting them. Is I'm trying, I'm running full sprint

1122
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: and these security guys like perk up, like somebody's gonna

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00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: come attack Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg. I'm just running

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00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: with my media vest, trying to get back and get

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Speaker 1: a battery for the second half so I don't miss

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Speaker 1: any of the game. And so yeah, just to see

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00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: all these people on the sideline, it was so It's

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01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: so cool and so different from anything I've ever been

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01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: a part of. And that's why next year in New Orleans, boy,

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01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: it would be so cool to have that story of

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase going right back down to

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01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: where they won the championship and Joe doing the finger

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01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: point again as a super Bowl Champion next year. It

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01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: just kind of feels like it's written.

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Speaker 2: It's happening. It's happening. I'm completely with you. I'm looking

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01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: forward to New Orleans next year. Your story of running

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01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: past security people are protecting all these celebrities reminds me

1138
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: of one of my all time favorite photographer stories. I

1139
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: had a buddy who was a news photographer years ago,

1140
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: and to indicate how many years ago this was, he

1141
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: was going to a Mondale news conference when Mondale was

1142
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: running for president. So he gets to like the area

1143
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: where it's cordoned off, and he's trying to get in,

1144
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: and he realizes he doesn't have the proper press credential

1145
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: and he's on deadline for his newspaper for a wire service,

1146
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 2: whatever it was. He's got all of his camera gear

1147
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: and stuff, and he's trying to get in, and the

1148
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: security people are saying, you know, I'm sorry, buddy, but

1149
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: you don't have the right press credential for this. You

1150
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: cannot get in, and finally says, you don't understand. I'm

1151
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: here to shoot Mondale, meaning as a photographer shoot. They

1152
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: pinned him to the ground like me, to the back

1153
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: of his head. His camera's go flying. He's saying, not

1154
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: shoot shoot shoot like pictures. Oh my gosh, so be

1155
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: very careful if stopped by photographers and you are trying

1156
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: to shoot video with how you phrase that?

1157
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: That's incredible. You've never told me that.

1158
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 2: One man, Yeah, the guy named Jim Commontucci regrettably said

1159
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: I'm here to shoot Mondale and was a pin to

1160
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: the ground as a result. Well, I was going to

1161
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: ask you about your thoughts for the Bengals prospects in

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01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, but you've already shared that you think

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01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: there's a good chance they're going to be at the

1164
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: super Bowl in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Well, the amazing thing about this year, and I think

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: the big takeaway Bengals fans should have about the twenty

1167
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: twenty three season is you think back to what happened

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: obviously with Joe Burrow and the slow start of the

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01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: season and then of course the season ending injury. They

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01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: took it up to almost the final week of being

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01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: in playoff contention. So it shows you I don't want

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: to use the word easy, because it's not easy to

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01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: make the playoffs in the NFL, but it shows you

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01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: just the overall construction of this roster the Bengals are

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01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: going to make. If Joe Burrow plays seventeen games, they're

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01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: going to be in the tournament. They were almost in

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01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: the tournament with Joe Burrow not being himself for five

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01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: weeks and then missing however many weeks he missed at

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01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: the end of the year for Jake Browning to play quarterback.

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01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,479
Speaker 1: So as long as Joe Burrow stays healthy, this team

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: is going to be in that mix of three or

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01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: four teams in the AFC who have a chance to

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Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl. And I have no doubt

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: they're going to be that next year. They I thought

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01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: what Joe said he talked to Ben Baby over the

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01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: weekend from ESPN about this last season, and I thought

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Speaker 1: Joe was very honest when he said he didn't believe

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01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: this felt like a Super Bowl team just the way

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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: they played this year. And I thought that was an

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01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: honest assessment because I agree with it. It just didn't

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01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: feel like the defense was good enough for this team

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01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl this year. That's got to

1193
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: be fixed, and that to me is why defensive tackle

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: again continues to be so fascinating for this team. Getting

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01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: it right, getting better on defensively, getting better defensively and

1196
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: limiting these explosive plays. You limit the explosive plays, you

1197
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: get better defensively. Joe Burrow and that offense are going

1198
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: to take care of everything they have to take care

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Speaker 1: of to be a team that can go win a

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So this coming year feels no different than

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01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: any year. It's felt like the last three four years

1202
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: with Joe Burrow, they've got a chance. They've got a

1203
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: great chance to make the super Bowl. Now with the

1204
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, and look, that's the standard right now.

1205
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: We can all admit that with them having three super

1206
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: Bowls with Patrick Mahomes, the Kansas City Chiefs aren't going

1207
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: to look like they did last year. I don't think

1208
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: they're going to go through another year of relying on

1209
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: guys we've never heard of playing wide receiver and hoping

1210
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and a great defense can

1211
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: elevate that team to the Super Bowl. I think they're

1212
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: going to make a splash and one way or the other,

1213
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: and Cande Bengals keep up in that arms race with

1214
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: Kansas City to make sure they're there and able to

1215
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: beat that team when it comes time to the playoffs.

1216
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: They're going to be in the playoffs. We saw it

1217
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: last year what happened even without Joe, they were almost there.

1218
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: They're going to have Joe for seventeen games. It's going

1219
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: to get into the playoffs. The question is when they

1220
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: get there, can Joe once again play the dragon that

1221
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: is Patrick Mahomes And what I think is going to

1222
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: be a better version the Kansas City Chiefs coming year.

1223
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: They just won the Super Bowl. I think they're going

1224
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: to be better this coming year because I don't think

1225
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: that organizations allow Patrick Mahomes to play with a bunch

1226
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: of no name guys a wide receiver again. So to

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01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: answer your question, I think it's those two teams again.

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: I think obviously Baltimore is going to be great. Baltimore

1229
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: is just a great organization. They're going to be there.

1230
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: Who else might pop up in the AFC. We'll see

1231
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: if the Chargers finally put it together. We'll see if

1232
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: the Steelers address quarterback play. We'll see if Miami can

1233
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: be more than just a first half of the regular

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01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: season team. But when it comes time to it, Dan,

1235
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: it's can Joe again be the one guy to slay

1236
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: the Patrick mahomes Dragon done it before, who says he

1237
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: can't do it again.

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01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: Joe, I've taken a lot of your time. I really

1239
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I told you recently that I caught you

1240
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 2: on a radio talk show and that you are a

1241
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: phenomenal talk show guest. I knew you would be a

1242
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: great podcast guest, and you did not disappoint. Keep up

1243
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: the great work and thanks again.

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01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: You're welcome. I told my wife I was doing this Dan,

1245
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: and I said, this is like Steph Curry walking into

1246
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: Planets Fitness and picking a guy out the play pick

1247
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: up with when Dan Horde as we do anything with him.

1248
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: I've said it many times, Dan, You're one of the

1249
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: biggest influences in my career. You're the absolute best. Cincinnati

1250
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: is so lucky to have you. I was driving back

1251
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: from the Combine listening to you call the UC Houston game,

1252
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: and I was entertained for two hours, not just by

1253
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: a basketball game, but by you and Terry great chemistry.

1254
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: You're the absolute best, and I owe my career to you.

1255
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: So thanks again for having me on. This was a blast.

1256
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 2: Joe is far too kind. He emailed me when he

1257
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: was just getting started, and I played a very small

1258
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: part in helping him get his foot in the door

1259
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: at Fox nineteen, but trust me, he was going to

1260
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 2: have a very successful career regardless of that, and Cincinnati

1261
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: sports fans are extremely lucky that Joe was born and

1262
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: raised in the area and has chosen to stay home.

1263
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,440
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Speaker 2: the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health is

1268
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Last week at

1269
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine, I caught up with Lance Zerline,

1270
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: who covers the draft for the NFL Network and NFL

1271
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: dot Com. If you're hoping the Bengals will take an

1272
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: offensive lineman in Round one, you'll like what Lance had

1273
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: to say. Lance, you have been evaluating draft prospects for

1274
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: a long time. You are the son of a former

1275
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: NFL and University of Cincinnati offensive line coach. Just how

1276
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: good is this offensive tackle group?

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Speaker 3: It's great, It's one of the best ones.

1278
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 4: I've seen in a long time, and you've got guys

1279
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 4: who have big pluses like Joe Alt's rock solid on

1280
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 4: all phases. JC Latham is one of the best run

1281
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 4: blocking tackles I've seen in a long long time from Alabama.

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Speaker 4: Olufushanu from Penn State has great measurables and potential. I

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01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 4: think there's still some work to be done, but his

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Speaker 4: upside is very, very high. You start getting into Tulisi Fuaga,

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Speaker 4: who is an outstanding pass protector on the right side.

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Speaker 3: So I mean it goes from a tackle standpoint.

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Speaker 4: I haven't even gotten a Tyler Guidin and Amarius Mims,

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Speaker 4: who could have two of the highest upsides of the

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Speaker 4: entire class. So we're talking about six deep for sure

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Speaker 4: in the first round. All those guys are going to

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Speaker 4: go in the first round. So it's the question is

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Speaker 4: win does the run start? Because this is an interesting

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Speaker 4: wide receiver quarterback draft at the top, But if you

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Speaker 4: need an offensive lineman, there's going to be a tackle

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Speaker 4: for you. The question will be is there still a

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Speaker 4: tackle available where the Bengals pick, you know, because it

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Speaker 4: depends on the run.

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Speaker 2: That's the eighteenth pick, and they do need a tackle

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Speaker 2: assuming they do not re sign Joonah Williams, and most

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Speaker 2: people don't think that they will. Having said what you

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Speaker 2: just said, do you think they'll get their starting right

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Speaker 2: tackle at eighteen?

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Speaker 4: I do, because I think even if it's the fifth

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01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 4: or sixth, I don't really It's a rare group in

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 4: that I don't think there's this big a difference between

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01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 4: one and six. Like you, it's rare to see the

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Speaker 4: first best wide receiver in a six best it's gonna

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01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 4: be a big difference, first best quarterback, sixth best, big

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Speaker 4: difference this year, first best tackle, whoever you have that

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Speaker 4: as I've got Latham.

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Speaker 3: Other people have all the sixth, whether you make.

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Speaker 4: It Guiten or Amarus Mems, if it's one of those two,

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Speaker 4: they've got a chance to be as good or better

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Speaker 4: than number one. So it's just a really fun tackle

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Speaker 4: draft because there's a good chance at whoever Cincinnati has,

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Speaker 4: if they took a tackle, there's a good chance at

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Speaker 4: whoever the tackle was that they took might be in

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Speaker 4: the top three of their board, just because I think

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Speaker 4: the boards are going.

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Speaker 3: To be so varied.

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Speaker 2: NFL Network analyst Land Zerline is our guest who shouldn't

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Speaker 2: we get our hopes up for what guys. Do you figure, well,

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Speaker 2: there's very little chance that guy is going to still

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Speaker 2: be there at eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Offensive line guy.

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Speaker 4: So you know people I get excited at, not the

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Speaker 4: general public, but I think Tuluisi Fuaga, who played really

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Speaker 4: well at Senior Bowl, I just don't think he's going

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Speaker 4: to be available. And he's one that I would really

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Speaker 4: love for the Bengals, and I just don't think he's

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Speaker 4: going to be available.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, in.

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Speaker 4: Terms of players, I'm really curious to see if brock

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Speaker 4: Bowers there because I think Brock would be a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of fun on that offense.

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Speaker 2: Well, you just name the person that Bengals fans are

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Speaker 2: fantasizing about. Every Cincinnati fan has their fingers crossed that maybe,

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Speaker 2: just maybe Brock Powers will be there. Do you think

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Speaker 2: there is a reasonable chance that he's somehow still there

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Speaker 2: at eighteen?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: Because Number one, the tight end position is hard to

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Speaker 4: slot in a draft because it's not typically a high

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01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 4: enough need where you're going to draft one in the

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Speaker 4: top fifteen picks. Brock Bowers does not have rare size.

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01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 4: He's not six five, two fifty. He's going to be

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01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 4: smaller than that. He'll test well, but he doesn't have

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Speaker 4: rare measurable So I think with Brock Bowers, I think

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 4: there is a chance if he sneaks past the Colts

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 4: at number sixteen, I think there's a good chance he's

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Speaker 4: there for the Bengals. So I do think there's a

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Speaker 4: chance Brock Bowers is still I mean, I've got him

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 4: as the fourth highest, fourth or fifth highest rated player

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Speaker 4: in the draft. But the fact is he's not getting

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Speaker 4: drafted that early. He's just he doesn't have those type

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Speaker 4: of rare measurables, so he'll he'll fall.

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Speaker 3: A little bit.

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Speaker 2: Last year, it seems to me we knew a lot

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01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: of the tight ends in the draft, and obviously some

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01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: of them did really well as rookies. This year, all

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Speaker 2: of the focus is on Bowers. Who are some of

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: the other guys at that position that you like?

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 3: So I think there's a two player separation.

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Speaker 4: The guy that I want to focus on for the

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Speaker 4: Bengals is Jatavion Sanders. Sanders is going to be a

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Speaker 4: pretty good tester here. He should run about a four

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Speaker 4: to six y five, but when I started watching tape,

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01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 4: so he's not going to be much of a he

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 4: can block, he doesn't always block. That's an attitude adjustment

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01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 4: that's getting him to really buy in a lot of

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01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 4: times that happens with the.

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Speaker 3: Line coach, but also with.

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Speaker 4: Veterans who are on the team. But the other thing

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Speaker 4: to me that really stands out is that when you

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Speaker 4: have a guy like Sanders who can really get up

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01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 4: the field and stretch the defense, this is what this

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Speaker 4: is what Joe Burrow really excels with is throwing the

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Speaker 4: guys in the scene, finding the matchups pre snapp He

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Speaker 4: knows the matchups. He had Randy Moss's son at LSU.

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Speaker 3: Who was a good weapon for him, not a pro.

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Speaker 4: He was not a pro tight end, and yet everyone

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Speaker 4: thought he was because of how Joe used him. I

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Speaker 4: think it would be even greater with Jatavian Sanders from Texas.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I think if you saw the Bengals trade up, they

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Speaker 4: could get their hands on him early in a second.

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Speaker 4: I think if they traded out of the first they

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Speaker 4: could get their hands on him. But Jatavian Sanders is

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Speaker 4: one of those weapons. To me that is maybe the

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Speaker 4: most exciting pass catcher, pure pass catcher in this draft

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Speaker 4: at tight end.

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Speaker 3: Bowers is special after the catch.

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01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 4: Sanders has special in the air, running routes and separating.

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Speaker 4: So I think Jatavion Sanders for me, is that type

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Speaker 4: of weapon because he adds another pass catcher. Forgetide receiver,

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Speaker 4: You're adding another pass catcher.

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Speaker 3: To the mix.

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Speaker 2: NFL Network analyst land Zerline is our guest. Let's say

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Speaker 2: there's a huge run on offensive tackles. All the ones

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Speaker 2: that the Bengals have graded highly are gone by number eighteen.

1402
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 2: They've got a real need of defensive tackle as well.

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01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 2: Who do you like his potential first or second round

1404
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: defensive tackles.

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01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 4: You want to find a guy to plug in for

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01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 4: DJ Reader to really clog the drain, it's Tovandre Sweat

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01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 4: if you from Texas. If you can get his weight

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01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 4: where it needs to be and you can keep him there,

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 4: he has rare talent in terms of stopping the run

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Speaker 4: in the middle, and he's one of those guys that

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01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 4: can immediately like Chris Jones. Now he's not even rush

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01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 4: like Chris Jones. He's not the same player. But when

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 4: you have guys that can shut down an area of

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01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 4: the offensive line where you say we're not going to

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 4: be able to run from here to here because Sweat

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 4: is there, that adds such an advantage for defensive coordinators

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01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 4: we're calling their defenses and gives you a chance to

1418
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:55,839
Speaker 4: really be more aggressive.

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01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: But other areas. So I think Tovandre Sweat is.

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Speaker 4: The one guy I would I would put on in

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 4: the late second, maybe even into the third. If he

1422
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 4: drops that, I would that I would look for that

1423
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,919
Speaker 4: could have a huge impact in year one.

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01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: Johnny Newton or Brian Murphy, Which one do you like more?

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Johnny Newton.

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Speaker 2: As a potential pass rush penetrating type defensive tackle, I.

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Speaker 3: Think Newton has that ability.

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01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's okay and run blocking, but I

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01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,839
Speaker 4: mean as a run defender, but as a pass rusher.

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01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 4: To me, he's the guy that I like more because

1431
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 4: he can he understands how to get to the edge,

1432
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 4: and once you have an understanding of pass rushing happens

1433
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 4: on the edges and not straight down the middle, you

1434
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 4: got a chance to be a pro pass rusher. So

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01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 4: I think Johnny Newton is the guy that I would take.

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01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: Final question for lan Zerline. You've been doing this for

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01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 2: a while. Do the Bengals have a draft personality. Is

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: there anything that you think about when you think of

1439
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: how the Cincinnati Bengals draft, You really don't.

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01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I think in thinking back on some of

1441
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 4: their picks over the years, I do think there's been

1442
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 4: a shift over the last four or five years. They

1443
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 4: valued good football players. Logan Wilson was a phenomenal football player.

1444
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 4: Even Jonah Williams, who may not come back guy just

1445
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 4: got guys blocked. He didn't have the best traits, the

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 4: best link, but he came from pedigree and he was

1447
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 4: a good blocker. So I think the Bengals clearly covet

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01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 4: guys who are good coming into the league and not

1449
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 4: necessarily projection players.

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01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, keep up the great work.

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01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it.

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