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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Katty and he Armstrong and Eddy.

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Speaker 3: So do you understand that there is a likelihood that

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Speaker 3: businesses could decide Microsoft just said they would to move

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Speaker 3: jobs out of state? And are you concerned about that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Those aren't the entities that I center in my policymaking.

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Speaker 4: I believe that they're smoking for enough in Olympia.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 5: You can tell a progressive, can't you, because they hurl

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Speaker 5: around the nomenclature, the terminology they learned in college and

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Speaker 5: in their marchist training classes. That's reporter Brandy Cruz talking

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Speaker 5: to Washington State Representative Sean Scott about what was what's

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Speaker 5: called a chilling warning for Microsoft, new Washington state taxes

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Speaker 5: trying to soak corporations in the quote unquote rich are

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Speaker 5: going to drive high paying jobs right out of the state.

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Speaker 2: And what did he say? I didn't understand what he said.

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Speaker 5: He said, I don't center those people in my policies. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 5: you gotta center people right and speak their truth and

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Speaker 5: all that crap that they're always talking about so. As

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Speaker 5: thousands of tech workers across the Seattle region face layoffs,

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Speaker 5: Microsoft's top executive is issuing a stark warning to Washington lawmakers.

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Speaker 5: Keep raising taxes and you risk driving companies and are

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Speaker 5: high paying jobs out of the state.

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Speaker 2: Brad Smith, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't center those people in my policies. Well maybe you

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Speaker 1: should start.

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Speaker 5: Microsoft president Brad Smith said if Washington's tax burden becomes

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Speaker 5: quote prohibitive, companies will reconsider where they put jobs. That

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Speaker 5: includes Microsoft itself. Democrats and newly elected Seattle mayor Kati

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Speaker 5: Wilson have campaigned on raising taxes on wealthy residents and

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Speaker 5: large companies. Tech has become the political punching bag of choice.

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Speaker 5: Cast is the villain in the region's affordability crisis, even

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Speaker 5: as the industry powers Washington's economy.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's because I'm sick, but I've got

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Speaker 1: I got less energy for this crowd right like, right

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Speaker 1: at this moment.

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Speaker 2: I hate what do you call them? Progressives? Is that

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Speaker 2: the right name? Or I don't even know where I

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Speaker 2: hate them? I hate you? Oh you dumb? Think you

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Speaker 2: hate them? You're dumb?

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Speaker 5: Wait till I play that. You're completely ignorant for how

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Speaker 5: the world works.

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Speaker 1: You just think that like multi billion dollar corporations will

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Speaker 1: just keep cranking out money for your town or state

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Speaker 1: or this country, regardless of how you treat them.

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Speaker 2: It's just what the billionaires be.

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Speaker 5: Just indoctrinated into this fantasy view of how human works

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Speaker 5: by smart but in cities people and they swallow it

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Speaker 5: whole and they spout it out. They repeat the mantras.

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Speaker 5: There's no like original or a critical thought here. You're

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Speaker 5: just demand. It's just demanded of you that you repeat

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Speaker 5: the mantras. So anyway, this Brandy Cruse, the reporter, continues

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Speaker 5: the conversation with the state Repshawn Scott.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this. Would you would you like them to leave?

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Speaker 3: Representative Scott? Do you think that Amazon and Microsoft are

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Speaker 3: a net good for our state?

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Speaker 2: Say more about that. When you say that good, what

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Speaker 2: do you mean?

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Speaker 3: Do you think they contribute and add more value to

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Speaker 4: I think that workers, were they to collectivize, could come

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Speaker 4: up with something like Amazon on their own, but that

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Speaker 4: Amazon can't has a very difficult time providing the value

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Speaker 4: that you would like to see in reverse. In other words,

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Speaker 4: I think that working people getting together forming unions coming

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Speaker 4: out and lobbying for policies such as this could create

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Speaker 4: something that resembled that Amazon corporation without that added layer

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Speaker 4: of exploitation. But I don't know that Amazon's leadership, such

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Speaker 4: that on its own. So I'm much more concerned with

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Speaker 4: the social good of people that are in Washington State,

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Speaker 4: that want to be here, that believe in Washington State

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Speaker 4: enough to fight for well funded public programs, and they

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Speaker 4: can speak for themselves through other channels if they would

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Speaker 5: Those too many words, the correct answer to that question

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Speaker 5: was yes, yeah, yes, yes, it is a net good

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Speaker 5: that we have Amazon in the state. How great was

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Speaker 5: this idea that if workers unionize and band together, they

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Speaker 1: Because creating one of the what two or three most

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Speaker 1: successful companies in the history of the world is easy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the workers can just band together and do it

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Speaker 5: instead of the evil capitalist.

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Speaker 1: You're an idiot, You're just these people are idiots. They're

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Speaker 1: driving me crazy because they're moronic. Seriously, go home and

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Speaker 1: feed fairy dust to your pet. Unicorn, sir, because you

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Speaker 1: have no connection with reality. Does he believe no understanding

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Speaker 2: I think he believes that. S oh, he does one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. Yeah, that's my point.

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Speaker 5: He lives in a fantasy world. And he's, you know,

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Speaker 5: a popularly elected government official in Washington State. Even some

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Speaker 5: Democrats are sounding alarms now. Of course, virtually everybody gets

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Speaker 5: office in except for Eastern Washington, is a Democrat. But

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Speaker 5: the Commerce Director Joe Nwinn, who himself is a proud Progressive.

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Speaker 5: He told Bloomberg that he has spent time and this

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Speaker 5: is smart. Mister Newinn, you are not a unicorn writing jackass.

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Speaker 5: You might be wrong about stuff, but I congratulate you

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Speaker 5: on your realism. He has spent his time studying rust

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Speaker 5: belt cities that collapsed after driving out employers, and he

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Speaker 5: has been telling lawmakers that punitive taxes risk repeating that history. Says, quote,

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Speaker 5: if you want to tax the rich, you have to

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Speaker 5: have rich people to tax. If you want to protect workers,

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Speaker 5: they have to have jobs to work in.

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Speaker 2: It's a good point.

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Speaker 5: Great coverage as usual from our colleagues at Seattle read

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Speaker 5: seven to seventy am Jalens.

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Speaker 2: Tip my cap to whoever that reporter was.

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Speaker 1: What a great question to ask somebody like that, do

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Speaker 1: you think this company is a net plus? And then

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Speaker 1: just let them answer that, let them hang themselves by

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Speaker 1: their own nonsense, because any answer other than yes is moronic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even if they were like relatively abusive, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like your worst version of capitalism you can possibly come

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Speaker 1: up with, it still would be a net positive for

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Speaker 1: the state because people are voluntarily working there, and the

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Speaker 1: amount of tax money you're getting jobs and tax money

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Speaker 1: you're getting it overwhelming.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: Microsoft is not enslaving people, all right.

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Speaker 5: The Microsoft cavalry didn't come across the hills conquer Seattle

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Speaker 5: and has now enslaved the poor residence.

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Speaker 2: They're there voluntarily.

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Speaker 5: You check ass, you know, Jack, where to even start

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Speaker 5: with somebody that, well, he's a cultist. He's been convinced

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Speaker 5: of reality that is not real, which reminds me.

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Speaker 2: I read a great piece I think it was in you.

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Speaker 5: It was in the Dispatch talking about one of Friedrich

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Speaker 5: Hayek's books, which I haven't read, and I'm gonna buy

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Speaker 5: it and add it to the stack of stuff.

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Speaker 2: And at some point, which one I'm gonna go wild?

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Speaker 5: Reading The Use of Knowledge in Society, which came out

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Speaker 5: eighty years ago last month, it's not nearly as well

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Speaker 5: known as the Road to serf them. I read that

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Speaker 5: which which is his all time. You know great, it's

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Speaker 5: his stairway to heaven. But the use of knowledge in society,

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Speaker 5: Hayek lays out society's fundamental economic challenge quite clear. It's

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Speaker 5: not merely a problem of how to allocate given resources,

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Speaker 5: in other words, settling the usual who gets what and

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Speaker 2: It's a knowledge problem.

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Speaker 5: How can we make the best, most efficient use of

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Speaker 5: our limited resources when no single entity, even like a

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Speaker 5: vast government, can know everything there is to know about

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Speaker 5: a given economy, And if you're familiar with the Great

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Speaker 5: Sai Pencil, you know what we're getting at here. Can

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Speaker 5: But can a team of the world's greatest economists come

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Speaker 5: close to accounting for what a factory will pay for steel,

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Speaker 5: what it will do next if it can't find that price,

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Speaker 5: companies employees will do once they are affected. The ripple

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Speaker 5: effects are endless and unknowable. As Pete Bultkey writes in

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Speaker 5: The Dispatch and Planners can't know what firms employees are

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Speaker 5: willing to pay for a sandwich outside the plant, or

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Speaker 5: what the sandwich maker, breadmaker, and meat supplier, each with

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Speaker 5: their own set of countless unknowable circumstances, are willing and.

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Speaker 2: Able to do to meet the worker's price.

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Speaker 5: There's simply too much information underlying even the simplest seeming

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Speaker 5: economic transactions, and.

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Speaker 2: The free market solves.

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Speaker 1: All of that and nearly instantaneously, over and over and

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Speaker 1: over again. It's a miracle of efficiency, and yet we

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Speaker 1: keep effing with it. The government does, or the fools

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Speaker 1: who believe in big government to try to gain the utopia.

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Speaker 1: Leave it alone? Can you play that last clip that

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Speaker 1: I want to hear the first thing.

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Speaker 2: It's so good.

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Speaker 3: Would you like them to leave? Representative Scott? Do you

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Speaker 3: think that Amazon and Microsoft are a net good for

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Speaker 3: our state?

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Speaker 2: Say more about that. When you say not good, what

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Speaker 3: Do you think they contribute and add more value to

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Speaker 1: I think that workers or they goes off on his rant,

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Speaker 1: So it's just mind blowing to me. So you think

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Speaker 1: the state would be better off if Amazon and Microsoft

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Speaker 1: were somewhere else.

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, because the workers could develop a perfect socialist Amazon.

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Speaker 5: Of course they would have, and they haven't just because

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Speaker 5: they've been held back by the evil capitalists.

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Speaker 2: That is so nuts.

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Speaker 1: Wow, there are arguments where you know, you're I'm right,

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Speaker 1: but they got a twenty percent decent point of it.

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Speaker 2: But this one is just this one's open and shut.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's fanciful. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you said, well, yes, of course, but

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Speaker 1: if you look at their rate of on the job accidents,

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Speaker 1: they're mistreating workers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk. That's fine, let's talk.

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Speaker 5: But no, we should build a worker Amazon, and then

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Speaker 5: a worker Apple, and then a workers of the world

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Speaker 5: unite open AI and to have workers develop all the

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Speaker 5: great medications that are saving so many lives these days.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's a sympody to start with a jackass

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Speaker 1: like you don't need to go into all that. The answers. Yes,

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Speaker 1: is a net positive for the state to have Amazon

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Speaker 1: and Microsoft here?

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Speaker 2: Yes, a freaking course, it is all right.

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Speaker 1: Every other state would crawl on their knees over broken

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Speaker 1: glass to have Amazon or Microsoft in their state.

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Speaker 5: Is it a good thing to saw off your hand

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Speaker 5: with a rusty saw.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by good thing? Expound on that?

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Speaker 2: Would you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, expound on that? But well, yeah, that's that's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's a person who has completely lost their head.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I would you know.

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Speaker 5: I'd like to ask a representative Scott. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 5: threaten him with a hammer or a sickle, but I'd

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Speaker 5: like to ask him. Why do you say, states, counties,

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Speaker 5: countries compete feverishly to get these companies to build a headquarters,

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Speaker 5: build a plant there?

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Speaker 2: What do you suppose that is? Is it possibly?

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Speaker 1: Because yes, it's an effing net positive jackass? But cloud, Wow,

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Speaker 2: Steve died yesterday? Steve Proper? Oh oh no, I didn't. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Ke On Sadigi made headlines this year when his company,

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Speaker 3: We look at something like height, even eye color, hair color,

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Speaker 7: The idea, he says, is to help deliver not just

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Speaker 7: this sprawling facility in central New Jersey, Nucleus scan samples

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Speaker 5: Children right right, and anybody who's not repulsed by the

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Speaker 5: You know, we can give you the most attractive, intelligent

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Speaker 2: This whole thing is sick to me. It is sick.

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Speaker 5: I am not a young woman. I want to make

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Speaker 2: Her name is this an interesting name? It was in

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Speaker 5: Press, and she she says, and jumping anytime I keep

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Speaker 5: Apparently everyone wants to know when you're getting married when

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Speaker 1: It's this pressure to couple up, this feeling of being alone,

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Speaker 9: Post completely No, no, because you know, then there's the

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Speaker 5: Well in societal pressure forms people's desires all the time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And she points out that in a recent podcast,

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Speaker 5: the single, child free, even divorced woman is strong, wise

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, that is just completely made up scenario.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, most of the time, people aren't wondering why young

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Speaker 5: Nobody really mentions it. Let's let alone pushes it. And

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Speaker 5: I'm sure it wasn't always like this, but lately I

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Speaker 1: You're not answering to the patriarchy who tells you need

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Speaker 2: And complete.

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Speaker 5: Strangers will rush to tell you horror stories about affairs

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Speaker 5: still single, but the one who settles down In practice

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00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 5: feels like the only life decision left to disapprove of,

443
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 5: the only one acceptable to judge. Wanting to commit is

444
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 5: the one desire that is discouraged. Treating with suspicion the

445
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 5: only thing in the modern world we're ever told to delay.

446
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Speaker 2: I agree with that based on my observation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

447
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Speaker 1: Then you can add another layer too of it. As

448
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: a guy from the rural Midwest, there's the if you

449
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: you only do that because there's nothing else to do.

450
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: There's nothing better to do, Like the better things are.

451
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Speaker 5: What, I don't know, more money for a corporation, having

452
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 5: exotic vacations, Well you can do.

453
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Speaker 2: You can make make money for a corporation anywhere.

454
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Speaker 1: So I think they mean, like the entertainment options that

455
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: exist on the coasts, like I don't know, concerts and ballgames.

456
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: Is a better thing to do than get married, to

457
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Speaker 1: have a kid, raise a family, right, yeah, and have

458
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Speaker 1: a career.

459
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, it's funny. I don't I don't

460
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Speaker 5: feel that. I we have three kids, one is married,

461
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Speaker 5: one maybe at some point. Oh my dad who turned

462
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 5: eighty five on Thanksgiving Day. I don't know if he

463
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Speaker 5: has lost his filter or just doesn't give a crap,

464
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 5: because those are two different things. If you think, you know,

465
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 5: this is gonna make people uncomfortable, but it needs to

466
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 5: be said, or you've just lost the sense of how

467
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 5: uncomfortable it's gonna make people, those are two different situations.

468
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 5: But he was utterly shameless in quizzing my youngest daughter,

469
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Speaker 5: Delaney and her man about what's going on here? What's

470
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 5: the timetable? What are we thinking here? Are you gonna

471
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Speaker 5: make an honest woman of her?

472
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Speaker 2: Or what? Oh? That's always a good time.

473
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Speaker 5: And it was playful. It was definitely playful, but it

474
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Speaker 5: was it was It caused a great deal of rolling

475
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Speaker 5: of eyes and hands in heads in hands. How did

476
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Speaker 5: the male handle it with a pretty good sense of humor.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an uncomfort, which he's one of the reasons

478
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: I like him. Yeah, it was shameless. I can't wait any.

479
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Speaker 1: What I like with those kinds of things is how

480
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: some people just look like couples. Like I got one

481
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Speaker 1: niece and she's had several long term boyfriends, but her

482
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Speaker 1: current long term boyfriend, they look like they've been married

483
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Speaker 1: for thirty years.

484
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: They just do. They just they should.

485
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Speaker 1: They're they're probably gonna get married, and they just look

486
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Speaker 1: like they they are a married couple. It's funny up people,

487
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: some people just fit together.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

489
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Speaker 5: You know, as this piece goes on, she gets more

490
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 5: philosophical about there's this pressure to delay, pressure to keep searching,

491
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 5: pressure to do life alone, don't fall too hard too fast,

492
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 5: not to intertwine and entangle, never to lose control, to

493
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 5: keep lives and hearts uncrossed. This impossible tightrope for trying

494
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 5: to walk, this vain attempt to fall in love while

495
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Speaker 5: standing perfectly upright without losing our footing depending on someone,

496
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 5: without losing an inch of independence, the pressure and pain

497
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 5: of holding each other at arm's length at all times,

498
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 5: our lives perfectly partitioned, the stakes permanently low.

499
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Speaker 2: That's really good writing. When's the timetable changed? That?

500
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: Clearly they mean in your twenties at least. Yeah, really

501
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: making a mistake if you get married and have kids,

502
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: but so by forty two you should or what does

503
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Speaker 1: they get to that.

504
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 5: There are well no, she doesn't really write about that.

505
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 5: But the lie, and it's interesting why people would would

506
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: be so inncuis about this lie, the lie that you

507
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 5: can wait as long as you want and have kids,

508
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 5: is that it's bad. It's damaging. It hurts people, particularly women.

509
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 5: It gets more and more difficult, it's more and more

510
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: prone to you know, trouble for you and the baby.

511
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: It's long. We're made.

512
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 5: Look, we're made to have babies and start producing them

513
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 5: when we're like sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, because we are eat

514
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 5: them by well right, we're.

515
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: At the peak of our physical health.

516
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Speaker 5: And did you tell you can't You can't kill an

517
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 5: eighteen year old if you want to. And granted, you know, okay,

518
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 5: society is changing, you can put that off. But the

519
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 5: idea that, oh, yeah, yeah, have your career, established your career,

520
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 5: then at age forty five, become a mommy. It happens,

521
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 5: and it's okay in a lot of cases, but as

522
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: plans go, it's not nearly the best one. But again,

523
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 5: if that has been your plan, you have a child

524
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: and you love it, dearly and you're doing your best.

525
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 5: I bless you and wish you nothing but happiness because.

526
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Speaker 2: You can answer those emails all day long.

527
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: You'll get generalized, though, I'm telling you, generally speaking.

528
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: No are any ways it sounds like you're attacking them.

529
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 5: To me, it's like no, it's like generally, it's like

530
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 5: generalizing about whether it's a good idea to run off

531
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Speaker 5: and join the circus or not. Generally speaking, no, it

532
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: is a good comparison, unless you're a dope.

533
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Speaker 2: Oh now I'm.

534
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Speaker 1: Insulting my coworkers. Wow, I'm so sorry. I just I

535
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: out of control. No, you're taking a much higher set

536
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: of risks frozen cons.

537
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: But you'll teach their own samity being a libertarian. I

538
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: speak my piece. Now you go, do you? And I

539
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: don't particularly care what you do.

540
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: So they arrested the pipe bomber from the January sixth thing.

541
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Speaker 1: If you remember that whole story. We'll see if there's

542
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: any new details on that, and we will finish strong.

543
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: Next major recall.

544
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 10: More than two hundred and fifty thousand cases of shredded

545
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 10: cheese products sold at major retailers including allD, Target, and Walmart,

546
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 10: sold in thirty one states in Puerto Rico under different brands.

547
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 10: Great Lakes Cheese Company says that cheese may contain metal fragments.

548
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: We are grateful for metal fragments and our grated cheese.

549
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 5: When I was a kid, our shredded cheese. Please our tacos,

550
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: our taco mix, ad DDT in it and a meat

551
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Speaker 5: had rats heads.

552
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Speaker 2: Was gone solved this country? Kids are there, weak.

553
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: Daddy, there's metal fragments and by taco, shut up and

554
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Speaker 1: enjoy it.

555
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: Choke it town son. Yikes. For some reason, I.

556
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Speaker 1: Was reminded the other day of the cheese company made

557
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Speaker 1: me think of the butter company. Whichever butter company it

558
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: was that had an Indian on its logo, and during

559
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Speaker 1: Land Lakes right landa Lakes, it was the same company,

560
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Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't that who they just mentioned? Anyway, the

561
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: during the Great Awokening? What what drove Lando Lakes to

562
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: have to get rid of the Indian woman on there butter?

563
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: That's that's right, they got it was a caricature of

564
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: a native person who was exploded when there was a culture,

565
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: not a costume. How did that become such a point

566
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: for like twenty four hours that they got frightened into

567
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: changing their logo.

568
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 5: So there's no Indian woman on there at the risk

569
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 5: concerning the too serious. That's what the postmodernists do. They

570
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: bully you into changing everything and so confuse you that

571
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: you just go ahead and take orders from them because.

572
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: You don't know what to do or what I was say.

573
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: That was on the list of the dumbest things that

574
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: happened during the Great Wokening, like the and Jemima Syrup

575
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: Lady having to oh look completely different even though it

576
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: was modeled after the actual person Uncle Ben's rice. Nobody

577
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: was damaged in any way by any of these things.

578
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: Nobody. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's a weird period. I

579
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: hope we don't ever do that again.

580
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

581
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 5: If you ever read some of the original writings of

582
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 5: critical theory, the idea is you just pick out words

583
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 5: and explain to the poor son of a bit you

584
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 5: spoke them, how they're problematic and you need to uh

585
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 5: deproblematize them. And the point is to so confuse and

586
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 5: discourage people they don't resist anymore. That's the point of

587
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 5: quibbling with every word you use and calling it problematic.

588
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: That's what the intellectuals do.

589
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: But then there's the crowd that goes along with it

590
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: and gets all worked up and ahead of steam. That's

591
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: like the French Revolution, where it's just like, on a

592
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: daily basis, you would change what you're.

593
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: All hot for.

594
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: We can't have clocks are evil, And they go around

595
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: all the churches and carved all the clocks out of

596
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: the churches because clocks were somehow, we need to come

597
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: up with a new way of keeping time one hundred

598
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: minutes in an hour or whatever. Right, you get these

599
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: fevers for these stupid things that last like a day.

600
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: It's nuts, that's right.

601
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 9: They erased the chef from cream of wheat.

602
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, yeah, because the systemic raises. Oh and

603
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: they got rid of the eskimo and Eskimo pies.

604
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: That's it. What it goes without saying, well, I don't

605
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: know if that guy is doing that. Joe Getty quotes

606
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Twitter feed anyway, Oh he is good. Here's one for

607
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: you and get it right, would you do? Don't don't

608
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: paraphrase what I say. I am a wordsmith. Here it is,

609
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: and people don't. I don't think I've ever heard anybody

610
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: say this. Being part of an angry mob is fun

611
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: and exciting. That's true about human beings.

612
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: They like it. They like I'm a dog. We like it,

613
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: we like being part of an angry group.

614
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something evolutionary beneficial to evolution there, obviously.

615
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 5: But it's not just I'm pissed off. I let my

616
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 5: mask slift. I'm a space alien. I've been sent to

617
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 5: observe y'all, and I'm not impressed.

618
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: Admit me quordus to this history. Who prologue like your humble.

619
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Speaker 1: Patients, prey gently to hear, kindly, to judge the final

620
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: thoughts of Armstrong.

621
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Speaker 2: And Jetty ten. Here's your host, Joe Genning.

622
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew.

623
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 5: There he is Michaelangelow, pushing the buttons. Michael, final thought.

624
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been writing these down jack. People are sending

625
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: in texts about how to get rid of your cold.

626
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: We got so far.

627
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: Sleep with onions on both ankles, take a bath and

628
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: tomato juice and put leeches.

629
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Speaker 2: On your back. Leeches on my back, leeches on the back.

630
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: It's all free servery time. Katie Green are a stem Newswoman.

631
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Speaker 9: As a final thought, Katie pregnancy problem nine hundred and

632
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Speaker 9: thirty six. You guys, mentioned McDonald's an hour two and

633
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 9: that's all I can think about eating now.

634
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: Oh boy boy, it's pretty good. Jack. Final thought for us.

635
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing we know about this pipe bomb

636
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: suspect from January sixth that they finally arrested five years later.

637
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: Super wealthy family thirty years.

638
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: Old, still living with bomb and dad to rich Ninny anarchists.

639
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: Oh gully My final thought.

640
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 5: Zoo She the confusion philosopher of the twelfth century, felt

641
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: that he lived in an error characterized by a pressing

642
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 5: need to go out and act, to rule and manage

643
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 5: the world without first having ruled and manage the soul.

644
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 5: Take time to be morally serious before you would direct others.

645
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: I'll work on it good. I'm gonna spend my afternoon.

646
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: Then I'll mold along. After being morally serious.

647
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: It is necessary to first to vote the heart and mind,

648
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: to knowing one's nature, understanding its roots, and after that

649
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: exerting the meritorious need of maintaining and cultivating.

650
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: First Live on.

651
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty wraping up another grueling four hour workday.

652
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 5: So many people who thanks so a little time go

653
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Speaker 5: to Armstrong and Geeddy dot com.

654
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: Free shipping from the ang Store. Will you get it

655
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Speaker 1: for Christmas? Probably?

656
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Speaker 5: Maybe that's why we're offering free shipping rolled at Ice.

657
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 5: Be bold, Okay, take the Armstrong and Getty challenge.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow. God bless America.

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Speaker 2: I'm strong and get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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Speaker 2: Bleat Civilization fall apart. It's so much sheep.

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Speaker 1: Don't say anything, crazy man.

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Speaker 2: That's Joe's impersonation of if a sheep could talk.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was self evident and see, I think

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Speaker 5: my art speaks for itself.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty