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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is the one and

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Speaker 1: only wes Hodkoits. We're coming to you here from our

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Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. Final show of the

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Speaker 1: week and the annual Green Bay Packers Rookie Orientation is

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Speaker 1: upon us. And for those who are not familiar with it,

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Speaker 1: kind of an annual tradition. Really, Mike McCarthy has has

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Speaker 1: Rookie Weekend. Some people like to call it Rookie Mini Camp,

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Speaker 1: although it's not really a mini camp. Um. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a combination of welcome to the Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 1: to all the rookies, which is the draft picks, the

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Speaker 1: undrafted rookies, as well as a bunch of tryout players

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Speaker 1: who are hoping to land a rookie free agent contract.

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Speaker 1: But it's all so an introduction into being an NFL

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Speaker 1: football player. It is Mike and and that's the one

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Speaker 1: thing you know, Mike McCarthy has constantly preached this is

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Speaker 1: really the preamble to an NFL career. They teach you

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Speaker 1: how to practice in Green Bay. They teach you the

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Speaker 1: routine in Green Bay and you finally it's it is

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Speaker 1: that integration into the Packers locker room. And Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: says it every year, once Saturday night comes around, you're

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Speaker 1: ready come Monday morning. You remember this team. Now, you're

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Speaker 1: still a rookie. You still have a lot of growth

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Speaker 1: but you're expected to be caught up to speed. They

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Speaker 1: aren't looking for big plays this week, and it's sure

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Speaker 1: it helps if you're an undrafted free agent or a

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Speaker 1: tryout guy. Yeah, if you're if you're a Troy out guy,

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Speaker 1: them out of mental errors and take what you're learning

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Speaker 1: in those pre practice meetings and in the individual corrections

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Speaker 1: and carried over on the field the show come Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: you deserve to be on that ninety man roster. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They get an introduction to the a book both on

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Speaker 1: was interesting. I've never actually seen it, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: the playbook is essentially electronic now on tablets and and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: But in the in the pre tablet days, you know,

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Speaker 1: I always pictured it as you know, the playbook for

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Speaker 1: rookie Orientation is like one of those folders that you

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Speaker 1: have for like your fifth grade class. And then when

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Speaker 1: back for offseason workouts, then you get the big binder,

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Speaker 1: you know, with the with the whole like, here's the

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Speaker 1: it all out. So um, but they get you know,

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Speaker 1: of plays. You know, it's just you know, parts and

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Speaker 1: pieces some of the basic things and in the in

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Speaker 1: the scheme. But really it's not even so much about

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Speaker 1: introducing the scheme as what you started with, which is

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Speaker 1: learning how to practice. This is how we practice, This

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Speaker 1: there's all there's a way to practice in a non

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Speaker 1: And this is an opportunity, Michael, for these guys to

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Speaker 1: And these are guys who are coming from you know,

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Speaker 1: And one of my favorite quotes in regards to a

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Speaker 1: But it also is that realization that for ten twelve

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Speaker 1: back with more on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, Wes

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Speaker 1: Hodkowits in that one, and West. We spent a lot

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Speaker 1: when you say, excuse me, we uncovered you uncovered in

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal story on Packers dot Com. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: Two things to this one. In my opinion, I don't

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Speaker 1: I seeing him walk around the locker room on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: To me, he's the Juggernaut. I mean, he is just

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Speaker 1: it's that's that's kind of what I keep coming back to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what the NFL has to figure out in terms

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Speaker 1: ball back right away. You know, you can't take that

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Speaker 1: part out of the game. So a lot of work

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Speaker 1: side kick element, but I think in the long run

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Speaker 1: that looks to me to be the best situation. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what happened. Yeah, well the story to to see

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Speaker 1: how it unfolds. But with that, we're going to sign

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