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Speaker 2: Breaking very well Southwest.
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Speaker 3: I'm Miles Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien, and this is
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Speaker 3: That's been stun The Celtics are NBA champions.
Speaker 1: Over the double.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome to.
Speaker 3: The show again, co host of Jack Jones, none other
Speaker 3: than Dragonfly Jones himself.
Speaker 2: How are you, sir, Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm good, always good to hop back on
Speaker 2: with y'all.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like Christmas Eve whenever I come home,
Speaker 4: because I know the NBA season is like right around
Speaker 4: the court.
Speaker 1: We're coming up on it. We're doing the divisional look ahead.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, that's so much, so much to look at
Speaker 3: right now until Media Day when really that's that's Christmas.
Speaker 5: Because I not I have to see Jimmy Butler's photo
Speaker 5: this year. I will always wait, what bait?
Speaker 1: What do we think he could do? Because like I
Speaker 1: mean the goth was like big, like it is it punk?
Speaker 3: I mean, well you think the dreadlocks were a wig?
Speaker 3: So and then that was his natural hair look like
Speaker 3: with the emo look. So, I don't know if does
Speaker 3: he escalate, does he wear some kind of gigantic wig,
Speaker 3: does he go? Does he shock the world and bick
Speaker 3: the head? I don't know, I don't know. I mean dragonfly,
Speaker 3: what do you think.
Speaker 2: You know I'm making he might go eighties on us.
Speaker 2: I'm making a Gumby. Yeah, I think we might get
Speaker 2: like a I think there's gonna be some block would
Speaker 2: be fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, somebody needs to come with like the Gumby. Really,
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I really need to see there are like
Speaker 3: a flat top. But it's been too long now, it's
Speaker 3: been too long since I was looking at my nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety one upper deck cards. I mean, like, look at
Speaker 3: Dwayne Coswell's hair.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, thank you for joining us. Yeah, like we said,
Speaker 3: we're gonna look at the Southwest Division.
Speaker 6: And for people who don't know what the Southwest Division
Speaker 6: is because I don't keep track of teams by division.
Speaker 6: That is, of course Dallas, New Orleans, Memphis, Phoenix, Houston, Phoenix.
Speaker 6: Phoenix is Pacific of course because they're on the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 2: Of course, that beat side town Phoenix that everybody knows. First.
Speaker 1: Should we take a look around the league?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a couple of things I think we
Speaker 3: can that are definitely worth talking about.
Speaker 2: Right now, what do we got?
Speaker 6: We got Commissioner Silver Commissi. The Commissi has acknowledged that
Speaker 6: there is interest in expansion at some point that says
Speaker 6: the league is not quite ready at this time. Since
Speaker 6: we on Miles and Jack got my boosties are bastions
Speaker 6: of journalistic integrity, I feel like we should speculate where
Speaker 6: that expansion might ultimately take place with absolutely no sourcing
Speaker 6: or even research done on our parts, just like, oh,
Speaker 6: that would.
Speaker 5: Be cool, you'd be cool, Like I don't know, like
Speaker 5: Van Eyes, you know.
Speaker 1: What, sick Eyes.
Speaker 6: I think Seattle Tops, the Oh that would be cool
Speaker 6: list just because they, I mean, it's been too long,
Speaker 6: they need a team. They got a great fan base.
Speaker 6: We all saw the lines for that Summer League game.
Speaker 6: But where where else would make the Oh man, that'd
Speaker 6: be cool lists for you guys.
Speaker 2: Vegas.
Speaker 3: Vegas is the one that I hear all the time.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, no, no, I want to hear Seattle
Speaker 3: before I hear Vegas. I just I mean again, for
Speaker 3: the same reasons, like they're great, they have great fan
Speaker 3: culture there, and my heart still aches from when the
Speaker 3: Sonics left there and robbed us of one of my
Speaker 3: favorite like iconic NBA uniforms.
Speaker 5: But yeah, what about you Dragonfly?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a sure gonna be Vegas in Seattle.
Speaker 4: I think they're both probably gonna be Western Conference teams.
Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be some reshuffling going on where
Speaker 4: the Memphis Memphis.
Speaker 2: Probably goes to the East where along you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think those are gonna be the two teams.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's gonna be a Eastern Conference in
Speaker 4: West Conference. And I think it's gonna be Vegas in
Speaker 4: Seattle in the West, and they're gonna do something, you know,
Speaker 4: realignment with things.
Speaker 2: We're like Memphis and another team go go east.
Speaker 6: Right, you don't think aangor Maine is gonna get a
Speaker 6: team that was the only East coast city.
Speaker 1: I could think that's not going to get.
Speaker 2: A very specific too, like not even Portland. I feel like,
Speaker 2: as people talk about more than if we're talking about how.
Speaker 6: Many Portland's miles, Yeah, I thought Portland, and I thought,
Speaker 6: you know what, too many Portland's Ye can't get Carolina, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I think I think it's about high time North Carolina.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know, Like I know people were like,
Speaker 3: when would there Do you think they're gonna ever do
Speaker 3: that thing about putting like international like fully out off
Speaker 3: the continent type international teams, because I know a lot
Speaker 3: of sports leagues are constantly looking at expanding like fan
Speaker 3: bases and things like that.
Speaker 5: But I just feel like that feels like a bridge too.
Speaker 6: For me, it reminds me of like the movies when
Speaker 6: we were kids, where it was like and everybody's going
Speaker 6: to be traveling in space and driving flying cars, and
Speaker 6: it's like a cool thing to see happen in a
Speaker 6: in a scene in a movie. Then when you start
Speaker 6: to think about the logistics, it's like this would be
Speaker 6: a nightmare, Like flying cars. People can't drive, not flying cars.
Speaker 6: And we already complain about like NBA travel schedule and
Speaker 6: like what that does to your body and how many
Speaker 6: games there are and how you know, so putting one
Speaker 6: of those games in London right for everybody? I mean,
Speaker 6: like a second team in Canada could make sense. Uh,
Speaker 6: Mexico Deefe, Mexico City could make sense. But that's I
Speaker 6: think that's really it. I don't think anything anywhere else
Speaker 6: on the on the planet really makes a lot of.
Speaker 1: Sense to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably have to keep like continental North American
Speaker 4: because the travel would just be a nightmare.
Speaker 1: Dog.
Speaker 4: You know, you saw Draymond Green complaining about, you know,
Speaker 4: how he didn't want to play Memphis in the playoffs
Speaker 4: series and how they were hoping to get Sacramento because
Speaker 4: he was like that travel is just crazy.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Because, as we've already covered, they are an Eastern
Speaker 6: Conference team masquerading as a Western Conference team.
Speaker 5: Exactly another news Lakers.
Speaker 3: The Lakers are going to be wearing a you know,
Speaker 3: forty four commemorative sort of badge on their uniforms to
Speaker 3: obviously honor the Lakes old guy Harry West.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's actually okay, it's about there. I thought it
Speaker 6: was just my forty fourth year that they were giving
Speaker 6: me a shout out.
Speaker 2: I thought that was so nice of them. I thought
Speaker 2: that was so nice of that.
Speaker 6: I was like, actually a little freaked out, Like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, you guys are obsessed with me.
Speaker 2: Also, how is he? Like?
Speaker 3: I get why Bill Russell Obviously you're gonna you're gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, memorialize a fantastic, legendary player like Bill Russell,
Speaker 3: and everybody wore like a six patch on their on
Speaker 3: their uniforms that that season.
Speaker 2: But why, I feel like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm being like overly biased as
Speaker 3: a Laker fan, but I feel like he also he
Speaker 3: is the logo that he does sort of embody, sort
Speaker 3: of like one of these kind of you know, huge
Speaker 3: outsized figures in the game of basketball.
Speaker 5: But I mean, I'll stay out of it. I don't
Speaker 5: know how you feel about that dragonfly.
Speaker 4: Oh No, Jerry West is for sure, you know, worthy
Speaker 4: of all the praise that he gets laughtered with, one
Speaker 4: of perhaps the greatest executive that we've ever seen in
Speaker 4: NBA history. Like this is a dude who had his
Speaker 4: fingerprints on the showtime Lakers, on the Shaq and Kobe
Speaker 4: ears on you know, the Golden State Dynasty.
Speaker 2: You know so yeah, for sure, for sure worthy of
Speaker 2: all the praise. Is it just the Lakers doing it?
Speaker 2: Or is it a league wide thing? It sounds like
Speaker 2: it's just the Lakers. I mean, he's the logo. Why
Speaker 2: not do it for the whole? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know, that's like he it'd be one thing obviously
Speaker 3: feels like a very narrow like lake Er. Great, but
Speaker 3: I feel like, again, Jerry West is bigger than just
Speaker 3: the Lakers.
Speaker 2: So hey, I don't know, maybe I can talk to
Speaker 2: somebody at the league.
Speaker 6: You could also do a league wide retirement of the
Speaker 6: number forty four, since I feel like that's not a
Speaker 6: wildly popular number anymore.
Speaker 2: Definitely not, but definitely not.
Speaker 6: I mean I like Scalabrini obviously, and like people would
Speaker 6: be like, wait, was it Jerry West or was it
Speaker 6: Scalabrini that got the number retired?
Speaker 2: But are you saying that?
Speaker 3: Didn't you say you played against Scalabrini in high school
Speaker 3: or something?
Speaker 2: Me, who did you play against?
Speaker 6: You said, no, lady, But when my dad was coaching
Speaker 6: the Celtics, Scalabrini was I think on the team at
Speaker 6: that time.
Speaker 2: But who was an NBA player that you played on?
Speaker 6: Me? Like, seven times in a single game. That would
Speaker 6: be Dan Gadzerich.
Speaker 2: Oh, baby, my UCLA Brethren.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like, wow, we didn't have we had one
Speaker 6: other person who was taller than me. Like that's how
Speaker 6: small our team was. So I was in the middle
Speaker 6: just getting absolutely yoked on I played. I went from
Speaker 6: like a basketball factory in Kentucky to one of the
Speaker 6: worst basketball teams in the United States. Like we were
Speaker 6: in a very weak league in Massachusetts, not a known
Speaker 6: basketball town, and we were not one of the better teams.
Speaker 1: And Dan goad Zurich ate me up and I was
Speaker 1: and I did just straight rudy on him. I was like,
Speaker 1: I love it. Actually, I love how many times you're
Speaker 1: dunking on me. This is cool for me.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm a poster pig man.
Speaker 6: He actually stopped because he was getting freaked out because
Speaker 6: I just kept feeling like, yeah.
Speaker 3: In Happy Gilmore when he gets in the batting cage,
Speaker 3: he's just taking like baseball, yeah, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 6: The good news was there were zero people there because again,
Speaker 6: a terrible basketball It's kind of wild actually that he
Speaker 6: played there. It was like a prep school league, you know,
Speaker 6: so like a lot but there was literally I've never
Speaker 6: played another game where there was zero people in attendance.
Speaker 1: It was just us in a gym.
Speaker 2: Oh really, it was like lockdown.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like the playing bubble basketball before nobody
Speaker 6: was bubble basketball, like twenty years before. At least that's
Speaker 6: how I remember it. Or maybe it's just like it
Speaker 6: was such domination, such an out of body experience that
Speaker 6: it was just me.
Speaker 1: And gad Zurich hallucinating, making me look like I just
Speaker 1: stepped on a landline.
Speaker 2: Dragonfly.
Speaker 3: I know you're a big lebron fan, as am I
Speaker 3: because he's a Laker and Jack because he's an objective
Speaker 3: observer of the sport. But the Olympic dominance this has
Speaker 3: a bit a huge man. You're already shaking.
Speaker 2: What what are we saying? What do you think we're
Speaker 2: gonna get a little.
Speaker 6: Bit of that?
Speaker 3: That's something I've just been thinking. That's that's been in
Speaker 3: a lot of sprinkle. I liked the assault, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 4: I was so emotional watching that Olympics team this summer, man,
Speaker 4: Like you know, the whole lebron kd stuff, that's like
Speaker 4: gonna be my favorite era of basketball ever and seeing
Speaker 4: them all together on the same team, like you know,
Speaker 4: doing it for America, and the fact that the games
Speaker 4: were close and they needed to be there the best
Speaker 4: versions of themselves at such an advanced stage in their career,
Speaker 4: Like you know, Lebron is going to be forty years old. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he was the best player on the on the team,
Speaker 4: you know, probably the second best player in the whole Olympics,
Speaker 4: beyond Jokic, And it's just bro like like like, look,
Speaker 4: I know Olympic performances don't necessarily count in the legacy talk,
Speaker 4: but my whole thing is that I've always said Lebron
Speaker 4: is just flat out the best basketball player I've ever
Speaker 4: seen in my life.
Speaker 2: Like you can do the whole accolades with Jordan.
Speaker 4: Sure, he probably doesn't have a greater resume, he's not
Speaker 4: more accomplished, he's not a bigger Icon MJ. But I
Speaker 4: think he's just flat out the best basketball player of
Speaker 4: all time. And seeing him just just be be so
Speaker 4: dominant and just so impressive in the Olympics at forty
Speaker 4: years old, it's like, bro, like I said, the best,
Speaker 4: the best, the best flat out player of basketball that
Speaker 4: we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So here's what we don't.
Speaker 6: We don't think that it's going to translate to a
Speaker 6: dominant eighty two game season.
Speaker 4: And then I mean, I think Bron is still going
Speaker 4: to be impressive, but I don't see the Lakers game
Speaker 4: anywhere and succeeed maybe yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 6: If the NBA season was thirty games long and we
Speaker 6: were redrafting all teams tomorrow with existing talent, would Lebron
Speaker 6: still be the number one pick in the NBA thirty games?
Speaker 1: Thirty games?
Speaker 6: He might be there right right because he like the
Speaker 6: in game or the d season tournament, he's suddenly the
Speaker 6: best player in the league. The Olympics, he's suddenly the
Speaker 6: best or second best player in the world. The bubble
Speaker 6: when it was like a finite number of games, and
Speaker 6: just the postseason, he's the best player in the world.
Speaker 6: I feel like, if you just get me thirty games,
Speaker 6: like yeah, it gets interesting, that might be the pick.
Speaker 4: Because the big bullepoint of why I think he's the
Speaker 4: best Beast player ever is I don't think there's ever
Speaker 4: been a player who's his team's potential more than Lebron does. Right, Like,
Speaker 4: you put them on your team and he is going
Speaker 4: to maximize the talent around, especially if it's a thirty
Speaker 4: game season, right, Like we're going to see Lebron James,
Speaker 4: you know, peak Lebron. He's going to be looking like
Speaker 4: like it's two thousand and nine, ten is if it's
Speaker 4: only a thirty game season, Yeah, that that.
Speaker 2: Would be crazy.
Speaker 4: Lebron might be the number one overall pick if those
Speaker 4: are the king is there for sure?
Speaker 1: And who do you like for the title this season?
Speaker 2: This season?
Speaker 6: And by title, I I do mean nd season tournament? Yeah, obviously,
Speaker 6: I mean that's really all we focus on on the
Speaker 6: show we see.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there it is, you know what it's.
Speaker 4: It's it's crazy right because the league is literally so
Speaker 4: wide open right now, right like, you know everyone you know,
Speaker 4: and we're just coming off an era where you know,
Speaker 4: le Bron's Heat were running things and then though the
Speaker 4: Warriors are running thing and things, and now it's just
Speaker 4: been wide open the year after year. It's crazy because
Speaker 4: this is where the league is at right now. When
Speaker 4: I saw that the thunder Trader for Alice Caruz, I
Speaker 4: was like, wow, yeah, okay, see might be good enough
Speaker 4: to win the championship now, right, Like that's where we're
Speaker 4: at now.
Speaker 2: It's not the Kevin Durantz that move the needles.
Speaker 4: It's like the Alex Marusso's, you know, because so so
Speaker 4: many teams are just so neck and neck. It's just
Speaker 4: those little pieces that are like putting god, you know,
Speaker 4: teams over the top.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, yeah, people are really there are there are
Speaker 6: narratives that are taken over and like Caruso and Hartenstein
Speaker 6: coming to Okay see is like people are just like
Speaker 6: they're on They're a super team like somehow like that,
Speaker 6: And I like, I get it because I was one
Speaker 6: of those people. But I think they and another team
Speaker 6: that we're about to talk about in our Southwest Division preview,
Speaker 6: like the narrative has taken over to a degree that
Speaker 6: I feel like we've fallen in love with the story.
Speaker 6: But it might, I don't know, they might now be
Speaker 6: overrated because of because of how much everybody is like
Speaker 6: on board with the same idea, right, right, So should
Speaker 6: we take a break and come back for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 3: And we're bare Southwest not just an airline, but a
Speaker 3: very competitive.
Speaker 1: Year now from the Western move about the country.
Speaker 5: Some of the funniest flight attendants.
Speaker 6: I mean, honestly the reason I got into comedy. Southwest
Speaker 6: Southwest Fight Southwest flight attendants.
Speaker 3: Have you ever phone in Vegas when they really hit
Speaker 3: you in that stand up routine? I thought I was
Speaker 3: listening to Richard Pryor, like early Richard Pryor as a
Speaker 3: as a passenger, and it.
Speaker 1: Was Agan, my other.
Speaker 2: Comedy comedy.
Speaker 6: All right, let's talk. Let's talk Southway. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: it's a very interesting division. Obviously, it has one of
Speaker 6: the teams that made the finals in the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 6: It as New Orleans, which I feel like nobody really
Speaker 6: knows what to think about. Memphis the comeback Darling. I
Speaker 6: think they are being projected by Vegas to add the
Speaker 6: most wins of any team. Houston people are like, I guess, right, yeah,
Speaker 6: Like they looked really good last year, and you know
Speaker 6: they they still got the same people, and then of
Speaker 6: course the big win by question that's on everybody's mind.
Speaker 1: Dallas.
Speaker 6: All right, So they traded away Josh Green and Tim
Speaker 6: Hardaway Junior, lost Eric Jones to free agency, added Klay Thompson, Spencer,
Speaker 6: Dimwidie Kessler, Edwards, Nagie Marshall via free agency. I so
Speaker 6: they won fifty last year, projected to win forty nine
Speaker 6: and a half this year.
Speaker 1: What are we thinking here? What do you think dragon place?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: First, yeah, yeah, I think that's about right. I think
Speaker 4: that that's exactly who the MAVs are. I think they're
Speaker 4: a team that's going to hover around fifty to fifty
Speaker 4: two or wins or so. But then you know, like
Speaker 4: we saw last postseason, if they get the right draws,
Speaker 4: they can make a really deep playoff front. But I
Speaker 4: don't see them being a team that's going to blow
Speaker 4: the doors off and win sixty sixty two games. So
Speaker 4: I think about forty nine and a half that seems
Speaker 4: about right. I probably take the over. I'd say they
Speaker 4: win maybe fifty one this or so.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, and no.
Speaker 3: Like, what are your what are your thoughts on the
Speaker 3: Clay of it all? I mean, I think that's one
Speaker 3: of the biggest headlines. Everyone's like, Okay, what's what's now?
Speaker 2: They got Clay?
Speaker 3: Is this is this the right place for him? Is
Speaker 3: there it's like a less of a pressure situation? Is
Speaker 3: it more of a pressure situation? But what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts on just the Klay Thompson of it all in Dallas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we saw in the finals that you know,
Speaker 4: no one on the maps could hit any open looks,
Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, Clay can for sure help
Speaker 4: with that. You know, he's he might be a shell
Speaker 4: of himself defensively, but I think he's still good money
Speaker 4: if you give him an open look. So very very
Speaker 4: much intrigued to see how that goes.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Naujie Marshall is also kind of
Speaker 3: an interesting one too. They're just there, they're adding pieces that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not even a Dallas fan, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that was a huge thing. The lack of
Speaker 3: lack of shooting could really be a big deal. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean they're using They're losing a big lab option
Speaker 3: though with Derek there.
Speaker 5: So we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 6: So what happens, Yeah, I feel like I would go
Speaker 6: under if I just like from a betting perspective, just
Speaker 6: because things like kind of came together well for them
Speaker 6: last year and who knows, you know, they they had
Speaker 6: a lot of health, they had a lot of uh,
Speaker 6: you know, good things happening for them.
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 6: I guess it was mostly they They kind of put
Speaker 6: it together halfway through, so maybe maybe I'm gonna change
Speaker 6: my opinion. Like I didn't even hold the under opinion
Speaker 6: for a full sentence, and I think I'm gonna go
Speaker 6: over because they did, because they did put it together.
Speaker 6: But there is just something about like the you know,
Speaker 6: we saw Kyrie kind of like Pitch and No Hitter
Speaker 6: in terms of just like staying focused and like kind
Speaker 6: of in a good place for a whole season. Maybe
Speaker 6: that'll keep happening. But there's just a lot of things.
Speaker 6: I guess my the thing is and not that this
Speaker 6: is ever an option, but I just would bet on
Speaker 6: this one. Yeah, right right, And that's not an option.
Speaker 3: People obvious you're gonna notice something for me because I
Speaker 3: need the Lakers mediocrity and lack of signings to be
Speaker 3: able to get us a playoff birth. I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: everyone isn't under. Everyone's just just just blanket up top
Speaker 3: except for the Spurs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and some shows like to keep people in suspense,
Speaker 6: but you like to just get it out the top.
Speaker 3: Everything is going to be fear based because I we
Speaker 3: we got to do something, and I can't have other
Speaker 3: teams improving in US not but yeah, we will see there.
Speaker 3: New Orleans is another interesting one. Orleans yeah yeah, not
Speaker 3: Old Orleans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta change there. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh no, okay, so we're not talking about all the Trosses.
Speaker 3: It's the New Orleans Pelicans. But yeah, forty nine wins
Speaker 3: last year. The bookmakers have them anywhere between forty five
Speaker 3: and a half to forty seven and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the one big thing I like
Speaker 5: every year, it's.
Speaker 3: Like Zion how is he is he Okay, how's his fitness?
Speaker 3: How's it physically and mentally? And based on what I've seen,
Speaker 3: he looks fantastic physically and anecdotally people are saying that
Speaker 3: he's also in like great mental shape.
Speaker 2: He's very focused and has a good head on coming
Speaker 2: into this season. But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean that that's there's also like what happens with
Speaker 3: Brandon Ingram, Like, is how committed is he to the Pells?
Speaker 3: Do they move him on or does he stay? But yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, what's what's everyone's feelings?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Is? It always just going to be like.
Speaker 5: Well, how what's Zion bringing this year. What's Zion? I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously that is a huge piece because he's a generational talent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I feel like there's so many
Speaker 4: good pieces there, like Ingram Zion or you know, CJ.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, and and and they show out
Speaker 4: during the regular season. You know, they have streaks where
Speaker 4: they they won like fifteen out of twenty two or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, they're going those types of runs. But then
Speaker 4: in the playoffs it's just, you know, they just get
Speaker 4: ran off the court. So, I mean, but I guess
Speaker 4: we're talking regular season here. And you said the over
Speaker 4: unders like forty eightis or so, yeah.
Speaker 6: Forty five and a half to forty seven and a
Speaker 6: half wins. That's the spread among various varying sports books.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds about right. I'd say they about a
Speaker 4: forty six forty seven wins team.
Speaker 6: That. Yeah, so last year they won forty nine and
Speaker 6: Zion played seventy games. So I think I'm assuming that
Speaker 6: the regression in wins is probably based on people being like, well,
Speaker 6: he's not We're not going to necessarily get that streak
Speaker 6: of good good fortune again. Same time, there's always I
Speaker 6: don't know you know, Steph Curry for a big portion
Speaker 6: of the early part of his career was like, well
Speaker 6: you can get like thirty thirty games from him, and
Speaker 6: then you know, he figured it out and like made
Speaker 6: changes to his body. And it does seem like Zion
Speaker 6: something has changed because the pick so I'm seeing, you know,
Speaker 6: like he looks healthy and light right is kind of
Speaker 6: what we're what we're seeing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sprung there in his step. Yeah he's got that
Speaker 1: extra bounce.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I I could see them being a slight under,
Speaker 6: but it'll be it'll be interesting.
Speaker 2: They're definitely under for me. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: I am meant to say, I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 2: and we don't know why everyone I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I think Zion is clearly looking like
Speaker 3: every I mean, he looks like he's walking into the
Speaker 3: season the best shape of his life, and the way
Speaker 3: things ended last season, I feel like he's probably I
Speaker 3: think he's got the motivation to really to show and prove.
Speaker 2: So I and with all that said, I'm going under.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 6: So up next we have Memphis, which is the team
Speaker 6: that I was kind of referring to before the break
Speaker 6: as like, so they're going from twenty seven wins last
Speaker 6: year projected to go up to forty seven and a
Speaker 6: half wins per DraftKings this season. Biggest changes traded Zire
Speaker 6: Williams lost Utah Watton, Abby Jordan Goodwin and several others
Speaker 6: via free agency, but like not necessarily the important pieces.
Speaker 6: They drafted Zach Edy, Jalen Wells, and Cam Spencer also
Speaker 6: signed James Hoff. Part of me is like, all right,
Speaker 6: so jaw back healthy, here we go, Well, like, this
Speaker 6: is the number of wins they should get that if
Speaker 6: all of that goes according to plan. I just feel
Speaker 6: like there's like a lot of assumptions built into that,
Speaker 6: and twenty wins is a lot to make up. I
Speaker 6: don't know, like I did have them for the most wins,
Speaker 6: and I think maybe I'm just or the biggest the
Speaker 6: most wins gained this season. I think I might just
Speaker 6: be tired of that take and so I'm like reverting
Speaker 6: to going against it. But I also I just like,
Speaker 6: like Zach Edy, I loved the game he played in
Speaker 6: the Summer League, but I like, who knows how healthy
Speaker 6: he's going to stay because we only got one game
Speaker 6: out of him in the Summer League, possibly because they
Speaker 6: were like, Okay, we know what we have here and
Speaker 6: we don't need to like risk injury. But what do
Speaker 6: you guys thinking.
Speaker 3: I'm Memphis, I think, I mean, I get the logic
Speaker 3: of saying, you have this piece in John Morant coming back.
Speaker 3: Of course that's going to lead to a pretty significant
Speaker 3: increase in leins. I'm like, twenty is a lot, and
Speaker 3: again I understand why that is like sort of the
Speaker 3: prevailing sort of take on here, but part of me.
Speaker 2: Is like, we also like I need to be reminded again.
Speaker 3: I just need to see John Morant do John Morant
Speaker 3: things consistently and then it'll make sense. But I'm a
Speaker 3: little I'm definitely a little apprehensive there. But also I'm
Speaker 3: always going to pick the under so I'm going to
Speaker 3: say under. But that's just sort of that's just how
Speaker 3: I look at it. I mean, Dragonfly, do you think
Speaker 3: like joh coming back, boom, that's an instant twenty games?
Speaker 3: Are there other sort of dimensions to this that we're
Speaker 3: kind of not looking at that you think can get
Speaker 3: them there or or not?
Speaker 4: How many games I think went last year, like twenty two,
Speaker 4: twenty seven, twenty seven. Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm probably
Speaker 4: taking the under here too. I think they're about a
Speaker 4: forty two forty three one. See, I don't see him
Speaker 4: in a forty seven win team. Okay, I think I
Speaker 4: think they're right around five hundred, even even with John
Speaker 4: full strength.
Speaker 6: Ok Yeah, John looked great in the short run where
Speaker 6: he was back, but it was very very brief time
Speaker 6: and he got injured. Hopefully, you know, every again, hopefully
Speaker 6: everybody's like working with whoever Steph worked with that one
Speaker 6: year to like get his body back in shape. But
Speaker 6: you know, long periods away from the court, and you know,
Speaker 6: he's always been a top concern with like loving to
Speaker 6: watch jaw is that his body is kind of small
Speaker 6: and what he does with it is not small in
Speaker 6: any respect.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, is it built for the the bounds of Pynes.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure sure. Oh also I just realized he only
Speaker 2: played six game games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a small stree for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm just saying, Like it's there's a
Speaker 3: there's just a lot, there's a it's a long road,
Speaker 3: but I would love nothing more to just see him
Speaker 3: step onto the court like nothing happened, and he's just
Speaker 3: delivering Day one.
Speaker 6: I want to see forty seven and a half. But
Speaker 6: if I am having to put money on it, which
Speaker 6: I am, uh, I guess a lot.
Speaker 1: It's not warning Jack.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: the one. Yeah, the one he's like that and Dallas, Man, I.
Speaker 1: Got to make up for that Dallas pick. But that game.
Speaker 6: You haven't even lost that yet. But could you imagine anyways, Yeah,
Speaker 6: Memphis is like definitely interesting.
Speaker 1: Zach Edie.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I did not come into the Summer League
Speaker 6: like I was interested to see what he did, and
Speaker 6: I always felt like he was a little slept on
Speaker 6: coming out of the league. But now I'm like very
Speaker 6: intrigued based on what we saw in that one Summer
Speaker 6: League game. If he's going to be he's gonna be
Speaker 6: a force. What do you think his rookie season looks like?
Speaker 6: Because I feel like that's the guy you got to
Speaker 6: have a pitch count on, Like I don't know how
Speaker 6: many back to backs he can give ado like that
Speaker 6: and all that. You know, right, Yeah, probably I'd imagine
Speaker 6: he's like in the twenty between twenty and thirty minute
Speaker 6: range per game.
Speaker 1: Like probably on the lower end, probably in the low twenties.
Speaker 2: He's got to strengthen that body. He's a big shalute,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Moving on over to Houston, who had a really really interested.
Speaker 3: They made things they they were making people nervous towards
Speaker 3: the end of last season, and we got those grim
Speaker 3: Reaper memes being like, who will they come for next?
Speaker 2: At the bottom of the conference.
Speaker 3: Forty one wins last year, right now, the bookmakers like
Speaker 3: them about a game and a half or two above
Speaker 3: that forty two and a half between forty two and
Speaker 3: a half forty three and a half wins. Biggest changes here.
Speaker 3: They drafted Reed Sheppard. They traded for AJ Griffin Junior,
Speaker 3: who is now actually sounds like he is just stepping
Speaker 3: away from the game, so I hope everything's okay there.
Speaker 3: They resigned a lot of their free agents. Bobon he
Speaker 3: is heading, he's taken off, he's going on Turkey. I
Speaker 3: think he's playing for Fender bach Uh And Reggie Bullock
Speaker 3: is going into free agency or went to free agency.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I think with this one too, I'm
Speaker 3: always curious about like Jalen Green like he looked so
Speaker 3: good in like in like from March towards that last
Speaker 3: stretch of the season, and I'm I can I think
Speaker 3: a lot of Rockets fans are like, is that will
Speaker 3: that guy be there from game one?
Speaker 2: Because that is.
Speaker 3: Also another thing that a lot of people feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, he's pretty streaky with his performances, but I
Speaker 3: think that's a that's a that's a big question mark.
Speaker 3: And also, because I'm a hater, I'm just gonna say
Speaker 3: that is also I think they're gonna be I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take the under on this one because I again it's
Speaker 3: not from anything objective, but but please, my my fragile
Speaker 3: Laker heart.
Speaker 2: That's all I have to protect. How how do you
Speaker 2: guys feel about Houston?
Speaker 4: Like? What what? What is?
Speaker 5: What is this Houston team going to be?
Speaker 4: You know, obviously them being a couple of games better
Speaker 4: this season. I think that the that Jalen took I
Speaker 4: think that's the real deal. I don't think that was
Speaker 4: a flashlampan. Of course, sant June's going to be incredible.
Speaker 2: We know that much.
Speaker 4: You know, he may I think, you know, I think
Speaker 4: he's the guy who now that he's he's really you know,
Speaker 4: gotten in the trenches with his personnel, the scheming and all.
Speaker 4: That's going to be top notch, even better than what
Speaker 4: it was lasting. So I think that they're going to
Speaker 4: come back better by a few games for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably, but I can't say that out loud.
Speaker 3: And also I keep forgetting they got Steven Adams, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like when is he going to
Speaker 3: be healthy? That's I feel like that's maybe never again,
Speaker 3: but yeah, maybe never again. I hope I would love
Speaker 3: to see him because I love the Kiwi. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: always a bringer of great memories. And I think, I mean,
Speaker 3: like when healthy, I feel I could offer a lot
Speaker 3: for sure, especially because they were missing somebody with that
Speaker 3: size once Shan Gun went down.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, he made is such a good coach that,
Speaker 6: like I I don't even believe that they got forty
Speaker 6: one wins last year. Like if you asked me to
Speaker 6: take those over under and it was forty and a half,
Speaker 6: I would still take the under on last year's win
Speaker 6: total because I'm bad at gambling. But the it's it's
Speaker 6: amazing that they got forty one wins last year.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 6: He's he's doing incredible work there, I get. I guess
Speaker 6: the one thing is that there might be an issue
Speaker 6: where their two best players don't play well together, and
Speaker 6: like when Shingun went down is when they started really
Speaker 6: taking off. So like he's going to have to figure
Speaker 6: that out at some point. But I also think he
Speaker 6: probably can because again one of the best coaches in
Speaker 6: the league.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and finally your San Antonio Spurs.
Speaker 2: I can't help I have. I don't even care what
Speaker 2: I'm saying there. It's over. It's the over for that
Speaker 2: all the over.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh yeah, this is the one team I'm I
Speaker 3: think because I'm so excited about when Bin Yama and
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about what year two Wemby looks like
Speaker 3: he is. He turned twenty one this year. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: over the hell you're right, Yeah, yeah, exactly, hang it up,
Speaker 3: hang it up. Twenty two last year, Yeah, thirty five
Speaker 3: and a half to thirty six and a half this year.
Speaker 3: That's a big jump for a team that got Harrison
Speaker 3: Bards and Risa.
Speaker 2: Yeah like that.
Speaker 6: So it's really going to have to come with like
Speaker 6: Wemby just adding things that we didn't know he could add,
Speaker 6: and he already has a bunch of skills that I
Speaker 6: didn't think were possible, So I just, yeah, it requires
Speaker 6: a level of imagination that I don't possess to be like,
Speaker 6: what is it, what is it going to look like?
Speaker 6: What does thirty seven wins with this team look like?
Speaker 6: And if it happens, it's going to be incredible and
Speaker 6: like a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, well, how do you think
Speaker 3: about do you think CP three makes a huge impact?
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, having someone with that kind of knowledge
Speaker 3: of the game will already transmit to that kind of knowledge,
Speaker 3: But is that enough to create results on the court?
Speaker 3: That's I think a big question mark. And obviously, given
Speaker 3: what he's thirty nine right now, it's uh, he's again
Speaker 3: not as spry as he used to be, but he
Speaker 3: is spry. But yeah, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: Dragonfly? Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know, like you mentioned, Chris Paul's for sure brought
Speaker 4: in to be like an on the floor assistant coach,
Speaker 4: Like you know, that's what he's there for, that his
Speaker 4: best years are way behind him. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I feel like it was such malpractice how few lobs
Speaker 4: Winby received, Like I just do not understand how when
Speaker 4: you see a seven for five guy rolling said to
Speaker 4: the cup, like like you don't just you know, chuck.
Speaker 2: You out there. You can do it anywhere too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, besides, you know, Chris Paul coming
Speaker 4: in there to to like I said, being on the
Speaker 4: floor assistant coach and what have you. I think he's gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, really really you know, utilize Wenby and and
Speaker 4: the and the lobs and the picks and the pick
Speaker 4: and rolls. I think Chris Paul is the best lob
Speaker 4: drowing point guard of all time. And you got a
Speaker 4: guy like you know, Winby, a seven foot five guy
Speaker 4: who's who who always cuts to the basket and he
Speaker 4: gets overlooked so many times, and it drives me nuts
Speaker 4: when I'm watching it, I'm like, bro, just throw.
Speaker 2: It up there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, I'm I'm I'm extremely high on
Speaker 4: the Spurs. I'm more high on maybe than the Spurs,
Speaker 4: of course, but you know, I think I think I
Speaker 4: think the Spurs can sniff five hundred.
Speaker 2: I think that they can get close to forty.
Speaker 1: Man, Oh wow, that's exciting.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see that.
Speaker 3: And it's and like so you feel Harrison Barnes is
Speaker 3: also gonna have a huge impact. I mean, I get
Speaker 3: again he can teach the youngsters a few things. He's
Speaker 3: good with the spacing, which will ultimately help everybody out.
Speaker 3: But is he also a huge factor for you and
Speaker 3: saying that they're going to get to five hundred?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, here's some Barns. He's the guy
Speaker 4: who can help your team get forty wins. Like you know,
Speaker 4: he's not a guy who you want you want to
Speaker 4: depend on in the postseason. Sure, you know the Spurs
Speaker 4: are are I think that they're doing whim be a
Speaker 4: really good service by picking up vets like that. You know,
Speaker 4: they're a franchise that sure, SE's the bigger picture. And
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, we don't have to hit a
Speaker 4: home every year, you know, in free agency or Orange drafting,
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes we just got to do some some
Speaker 4: sackflies or some infield punts. And I feel like that's
Speaker 4: what those picks were, you know.
Speaker 3: So exactly, it keeps them flexible, you know what, I mean,
Speaker 3: to really smash the button. If they're saying like, Okay,
Speaker 3: now's the time to really really cash in on this project.
Speaker 2: We have and that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Winby is going to make San Antonio a free agent destination.
Speaker 4: You know, I think I think they're going to be,
Speaker 4: you know, superstars who want to come there and play
Speaker 4: with Wimby because I think when he could, when we
Speaker 4: start the Wimby era, it's going to be it's going
Speaker 4: to be unlike anything we've quite ever seen rafts.
Speaker 2: I think that dude's got run it up man, that is.
Speaker 6: I mean, he is, He's kind of the next Like
Speaker 6: the reason that I always rooted for Lebron from the
Speaker 6: day he came into the league is because it felt
Speaker 6: like we were going to see somebody do something that
Speaker 6: we've never seen before. It was going to like elevate
Speaker 6: the game to a new level, and we did, and
Speaker 6: Wemby feels like that. So I'm I'm desperately hoping for
Speaker 6: and over here, I'm hoping like I I think if
Speaker 6: if we're seeing thirty seven to like you know, forty
Speaker 6: one wins, we're going to have to see a version
Speaker 6: of Wemby that is, uh, you know, unlike anything we've
Speaker 6: seen before. And yeah, I don't know if you caught
Speaker 6: the Olympic action, but Wemby is now a full eight
Speaker 6: feet tall and he's pulling up from just inside the
Speaker 6: half court line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the producer jabbar.
Speaker 6: My god, did you see Wemba. I'm like, he's eight
Speaker 6: feet tall now, like you could say that and people
Speaker 6: would be like, oh really.
Speaker 5: Really yeah, yeah, his shoulders bigger than Dwight Howard.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, yeah, I saw that. I saw that picture.
Speaker 3: Their rookie Stefan Castle from Yukon also looks like a
Speaker 3: pop player that I feel like could be really interesting,
Speaker 3: Like he's so so like willing to just like die
Speaker 3: on defense and just like just you know, like what
Speaker 3: are the orders?
Speaker 1: I got it?
Speaker 2: I got it. I feel like that could.
Speaker 5: Also be a really really get useful piece for them too.
Speaker 6: I feel like I was a pop player, you know,
Speaker 6: just willing to get dunked on over and over and
Speaker 6: over and over again. I guess some people would have said, nah,
Speaker 6: a pop player would have taken a charge, but uh,
Speaker 6: you know, would they have gotten back up as many times? Exactly?
Speaker 6: Stay down rock, yeah, barely cry it at all.
Speaker 2: All.
Speaker 6: Right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back for
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well you said you're ready and so are we.
Speaker 2: So Brian, start the clock. So mean.
Speaker 1: Uh, Dracula.
Speaker 2: Yea ecular you want to go?
Speaker 3: D me?
Speaker 1: I guess we yeah?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Why don't you kick us off? Miles?
Speaker 2: Oh me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You here we go? Couldn't dragonfly Jones?
Speaker 3: What is your all time favorite throwback shoe and jersey?
Speaker 3: They don't necessarily have to go together, but please call
Speaker 3: out the most powerful basketball garments in the universe.
Speaker 2: This this might be a sleeper pick. It is the
Speaker 2: ninety five Jason Kids.
Speaker 4: If you're flights, Yeah, yeah, they came out in black
Speaker 4: and white and blue and white and the black and
Speaker 4: white ones, like I got a pair of those as
Speaker 4: we speak. So those bubble on the side, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: a couple of Oh I think very future.
Speaker 3: I would just like to remind you on the cover
Speaker 3: art for this very podcast, when I was with Jack
Speaker 3: got Mad Boostie's my caricature is rocking those exact sneakers
Speaker 3: because that is my favorite basketball Can we.
Speaker 2: Just think I'm best friends?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know what's funny every time they every time
Speaker 3: Nike releases them, they're like sitting and I'm always like,
Speaker 3: what's wrong with these kids?
Speaker 6: This is iconic?
Speaker 2: This don't appreciate history, man, that's all that. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 5: And they're like, whoa, look at those washed sneakers.
Speaker 2: They always say I have washed sneakers, but I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they are clean. Thanks, kids, just wash. Oh okay. And
Speaker 2: Jersey Jersey.
Speaker 4: Jersey, you know it is, you know, keeping with the
Speaker 4: Jerry West theme. It is the the icy blue Lakers,
Speaker 4: you know, like the Jerry West. I had the icy
Speaker 4: blue Kobe eight back in like, yeah, yeah, so that's
Speaker 4: my favorite throwback.
Speaker 3: B Yeah, it's a beautiful jersey, it is. I love
Speaker 3: blue and obviously the Lakers were purple and gold. So
Speaker 3: whenever I had a chance to rock that, I will.
Speaker 3: And Dragonfly Jones, that was a fantastic answer, but that
Speaker 3: took entirely move on to the next question.
Speaker 6: I'm sitting over here checking my non existent watch. Well
Speaker 6: Jack's beard that grew looking like Methuselah.
Speaker 1: Hello, who's there?
Speaker 6: Uh? Dragonfly Jones? We are playing pick up with presidents
Speaker 6: of these United States. I actually just took the first
Speaker 6: pick and I took Obama. All presidents are in their
Speaker 6: peak physical condition.
Speaker 1: Who are you taking next?
Speaker 2: Jerald Forderald.
Speaker 4: He is perhaps the most accomplished athlete to ever service president.
Speaker 4: He was an offensive lineman at Michigan. I know we're
Speaker 4: talking basketball, but there's a certain brand of basketball that
Speaker 4: football players play where where they do all the dirty work.
Speaker 4: They sent screens, they rebound, they get put backs. You know,
Speaker 4: the type of guy that you wanted your things. So
Speaker 4: I'll probably go Jeryl Ford if Obama's.
Speaker 2: Off the board.
Speaker 1: God, they're taking Gerald Ford.
Speaker 2: You guys like Obama, Man, you got to get Obama's way.
Speaker 2: It's going to be the guy send screens for you.
Speaker 6: I am a dirty work kind of player, and I
Speaker 6: need somebody who's got a sweet jumper. And that's what
Speaker 6: I'm That's why I took Obama first, and I'm going
Speaker 6: to get in the middle and tussle with Ford.
Speaker 2: Spend the fact that's gonna bros in it like Zerick,
Speaker 2: like yeah, Zurich, and you're like, thank you, President, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you, sir.
Speaker 6: Also, I feel like I'd be interested to see what
Speaker 6: Lincoln could do, even though he was president before basketball
Speaker 6: was each height. And also like he was famous when
Speaker 6: he was a young person for being one of the
Speaker 6: best wrestlers at that time. Like wrestling was just two
Speaker 6: people enter a ring and whoever could knock the other
Speaker 6: person off their feet would win. So I just like
Speaker 6: he just had natural He naturally had that dog in him,
Speaker 6: So Lincoln would have been interesting.
Speaker 2: Lincoln did in fact have that dog in him in fact. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: next question, Dragonfly.
Speaker 3: One of these gotta go Little Penny Grandmama or Mars
Speaker 3: Blackmon Grandmama.
Speaker 4: And the only reason that Grandmama has to go is
Speaker 4: because I got to say that the Larry Johnson converces
Speaker 4: are the weakest out of that bunch and the great gimn.
Speaker 4: I thought Grandmama was a great gimmick. I remember when
Speaker 4: when you know, he even had the special appearance on
Speaker 4: Family Matters, right yeah, yeah, yeah, great gimmick. But but
Speaker 4: but but little Penny, Little Penny was hilarious. I love
Speaker 4: those commercials. That's Tyra Banks food like that all the
Speaker 4: top of his day, Mars Blackman with I mean, it's
Speaker 4: just so wild to look back and realize there was
Speaker 4: an ad campaign with Michael Jordan and Spike Lee at
Speaker 4: a point in time, right, like that's just his but yeah,
Speaker 4: so so yeah, I mean l LJ gets the cut
Speaker 4: here unfore, Okay.
Speaker 6: I actually just figured out that that is Larry Johnson
Speaker 6: when you. When you just said that, I was like,
Speaker 6: you are elderly advertising LJ shoes. You're like Grandma Ma,
Speaker 6: who was selling cons with the react juice. That was
Speaker 6: Larry Johnson.
Speaker 4: No, and Larry Johnson Converse reacts where a rip off
Speaker 4: of the Awkwa eights if you really really yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But you don't want to start that conversation, do you?
Speaker 1: The NBA.
Speaker 2: Always avoiding the hot topics.
Speaker 6: That's right, yeah, all right, give us biggest sleeper team
Speaker 6: heading into the season.
Speaker 2: Biggest sleep team heading into the season.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, did you explain that?
Speaker 2: It's a second. I know, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Look, you did right.
Speaker 2: He must be going through something I didn't want to now.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that we covered off
Speaker 1: on everything.
Speaker 3: No, we did, No, we did, we did, And I'm
Speaker 3: just going being very rude to him on text so
Speaker 3: the listeners don't have to be subjective.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go I'm gonna go with the hornets.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay.
Speaker 6: There were very few answers you could have given that
Speaker 6: would have rendered me speechless. But that so that is
Speaker 6: one where Vegas is up on them. They think they're
Speaker 6: going to get more wins. And I was trying to
Speaker 6: figure it out. So now you can explain it to me.
Speaker 6: Why are we up on the Hornets.
Speaker 2: I think their coach is going to turn things around there.
Speaker 4: Charles Lee got who who was on the h He
Speaker 4: was assistant on the on the Bucks championship squad, he
Speaker 4: was an assistant on the Celtics championship squad. I think
Speaker 4: he's got that pedigree there where he's going to turn
Speaker 4: things around because I think they got the town.
Speaker 2: I think LaMelo is incredible, but I just I.
Speaker 4: Feel like LaMelo's suffering from that whole you know, empty stats,
Speaker 4: you know label and and I think a guy like
Speaker 4: Charlesley can come in there and turn things around and
Speaker 4: maximize that team.
Speaker 2: So I'm going with the Hornets. Man, Okay, I like that.
Speaker 2: I do like that. That's a wind in myself.
Speaker 6: LaMelo is has that reputation as an empty stats person,
Speaker 6: but like gets everybody involved, does make his teammates better,
Speaker 6: is fun to play with.
Speaker 4: So like, that's that's a lot with me. That's that's
Speaker 4: I don't care how empty your stats are, you fun
Speaker 4: to look at.
Speaker 6: He's playing really well, Like I could totally see that,
Speaker 6: just like being infectious and like suddenly we're all like,
Speaker 6: look at the hornets. Everybody right, Nobody was predicting this
Speaker 6: except Dragonfly Jones.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you nailed it right.
Speaker 2: Those are all the right answers. He got you as
Speaker 2: we look at all the table. Yeah, you did them
Speaker 2: all man, And we tried to pressure him.
Speaker 6: Too, but he is just stealing steally under pressure. Dragonfly Jones,
Speaker 6: where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at Dragonfly Jones.
Speaker 4: You can find me three times a week with my
Speaker 4: podcast co host the Jenkins and Jones on the Volume Network.
Speaker 4: We're on YouTube, We're on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get
Speaker 4: your podcasts.
Speaker 1: All right, amazing miles where can they find you?
Speaker 3: You can find me at Miles of Gray And you
Speaker 3: can also find the hashtag Matt Boosty's bb st i
Speaker 3: e s on Twitter. That's how you find show links
Speaker 3: and updates. And that's how you joined the Discord Conversation too.
Speaker 6: I'm on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrian and that's another
Speaker 6: one in the books.
Speaker 2: We did it.
Speaker 6: We nailed it. Swish from Way Downtown, Bye oh yeah
Speaker 6: bye yeah sorry, bye,