1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 2: Joined by the newitch member of the Patriots Hall Fame 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 2: Mike Rabol. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:48,278 Speaker 3: coy Or. 10 00:00:48,319 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 2: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number 11 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 12 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 3: Good to be home. Good to see you guys. 13 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,519 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the past anywhere you get your podcast. 14 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: How y'all doing always rolling this here? Good? How y'all 15 00:01:06,679 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: doing good? Good? Great? 16 00:01:09,839 --> 00:01:14,599 Speaker 2: Simple question would be, you know, based on how do 17 00:01:14,679 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 2: you not do that? How do you get it together 18 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:19,079 Speaker 2: as a defense. 19 00:01:18,759 --> 00:01:19,639 Speaker 3: And do what you need to do? 20 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:23,238 Speaker 4: I would say for us, like, uh, it's it's about 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 4: going to work every day, like we talked about all right, 22 00:01:25,878 --> 00:01:30,519 Speaker 4: really going to work, making sure that we attack each day, uh, 23 00:01:31,119 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 4: like we need to with clean execution, make sure we 24 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 4: know the game plan, doing our little things. And then 25 00:01:36,438 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 4: for us, it's really about the fundamentals on the football field, 26 00:01:39,239 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 4: all right, defeating blocks, tackling all right, you know, being 27 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 4: able to tackle in space, making sure we know alignment, assignment, communication, 28 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:47,439 Speaker 4: stuff like that. 29 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:50,279 Speaker 3: That's that's for us. That's what really what we're focused on. 30 00:01:51,559 --> 00:01:58,479 Speaker 3: Last thing for your nine Jack running for fourteenth straight fifteenth, Yeah, 31 00:01:58,519 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 3: for us to get off the field. 32 00:02:00,279 --> 00:02:03,079 Speaker 4: So uh, it's really that's what that's the approach when 33 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:05,319 Speaker 4: you go on when you're on defense, it's a three 34 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 4: and out or takeaway mentality period. That's what we try 35 00:02:08,959 --> 00:02:11,038 Speaker 4: to do and then really trust not try to let 36 00:02:11,079 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 4: them score. So that's that's the mentality that we, uh, 37 00:02:14,358 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 4: we need to have. 38 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 3: That's the mentality we do have. And every time we 39 00:02:17,999 --> 00:02:18,599 Speaker 3: step on the. 40 00:02:18,519 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 4: Field, if you listen to media, say, hey, let's three 41 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 4: and out, three and out of the takeaway, three and 42 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 4: out of the takeaway. And that's really the mentality that 43 00:02:25,038 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 4: we approach every time we go out down the field 44 00:02:27,279 --> 00:02:29,159 Speaker 4: is try to get out there and get the ball 45 00:02:29,199 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 4: back to a VP as much as possible. 46 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 3: We can watched that game. 47 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:34,238 Speaker 2: Back because did you feel like there was anything more 48 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:37,479 Speaker 2: you guys could have done in terms of seed or run. 49 00:02:37,519 --> 00:02:40,199 Speaker 2: Blood Saint Mars's aligning guys at differentquats. You feel like 50 00:02:40,399 --> 00:02:42,279 Speaker 2: you were changing it up on the fly to try 51 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:42,759 Speaker 2: to stop. 52 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:43,559 Speaker 3: Whatever the most they would do. 53 00:02:43,799 --> 00:02:46,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, we we just we need to coach better, play better. 54 00:02:46,239 --> 00:02:48,918 Speaker 4: We need to do all that things. So whether it's fundamentals, techniques, 55 00:02:48,999 --> 00:02:53,279 Speaker 4: all those those things be better. So obviously we didn't 56 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 4: do enough to win the game, so we need to 57 00:02:55,399 --> 00:02:58,599 Speaker 4: be better. You know, coaches included players. 58 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: Marcus, that was the integrations of something to do. I 59 00:03:03,239 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 2: don't know concepts is the right word, but elements that 60 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,559 Speaker 2: grew and Jerry. 61 00:03:07,359 --> 00:03:09,279 Speaker 3: Montgomery brought in to the system. 62 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:12,238 Speaker 2: How does that integration go when you've run those new concepts? 63 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:13,358 Speaker 3: It's good. 64 00:03:13,399 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 4: I mean they're they're good coaches. They do a good 65 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:18,199 Speaker 4: job with their their position groups. They've been doing a 66 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 4: great job with that good. 67 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:24,319 Speaker 3: Marcus. You guys have played a lot more base defense 68 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 3: this year than member used to see. Curious what has 69 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 3: led to that. 70 00:03:29,079 --> 00:03:29,719 Speaker 2: In your opinion? 71 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:32,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I looked last game. I think it 72 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:34,999 Speaker 4: was balance based off of what we ran. So I 73 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,759 Speaker 4: looked at the personnel groupings, which is to me, it 74 00:03:38,799 --> 00:03:42,079 Speaker 4: was balance. So and then of course when you look 75 00:03:42,079 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 4: at the personnel groups of what they're running, so eleven, twelve, thirteen, 76 00:03:47,239 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 4: So that dictates defensively what personnel groups you're in. So 77 00:03:51,119 --> 00:03:53,719 Speaker 4: if they're in, you know, a bigger personnel group, and 78 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:55,559 Speaker 4: you're going to be in a bigger personnel group. And 79 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:58,359 Speaker 4: so when a team comes in and want to be 80 00:03:58,359 --> 00:04:00,799 Speaker 4: an eleven or twelve personnel then you're going to be 81 00:04:00,799 --> 00:04:03,559 Speaker 4: in a personnel group that matches them. So that's basically 82 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 4: what we've been doing worse. 83 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:06,679 Speaker 2: I think the Jets were the first team to kind 84 00:04:06,679 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 2: of bulp up against to force the more base back 85 00:04:09,119 --> 00:04:09,679 Speaker 2: in week three. 86 00:04:09,999 --> 00:04:12,399 Speaker 3: Do you expect them to take that same approach on something? 87 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:15,519 Speaker 2: Yeap, What have you see for guys who had to 88 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: maybe increased role as week like Christianelle was a little 89 00:04:17,719 --> 00:04:19,759 Speaker 2: bit more from Finlan Royd, It seems like Eric Johnson, 90 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:20,079 Speaker 2: what do. 91 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:20,718 Speaker 3: You think you're ports? 92 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,999 Speaker 4: I think again, it's like for Roy and Christian, those 93 00:04:24,999 --> 00:04:26,959 Speaker 4: guys have been doing a good job of stepping up 94 00:04:26,999 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 4: for us, Like you asked me back in the obviously 95 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,198 Speaker 4: out even know Roy back in the spring or training camp. 96 00:04:33,599 --> 00:04:33,959 Speaker 3: Uh. 97 00:04:33,999 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 4: And then you think about with Christian Ellis you ask 98 00:04:36,119 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: me back back in the spring about like him being 99 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:40,998 Speaker 4: out you know, a three down player doing all the 100 00:04:40,999 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 4: things for us. You know, that would have you know, 101 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 4: surprised me on the things that he's done for us. 102 00:04:45,799 --> 00:04:49,199 Speaker 4: And I'm proud of their progression. I think we're taking 103 00:04:49,239 --> 00:04:51,878 Speaker 4: it one week ad at a time with both of them. 104 00:04:52,399 --> 00:04:55,278 Speaker 4: We're managing the expectations for both of them, and we're 105 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 4: making sure they do everything right, you know, starting Wednesday yesterday. 106 00:04:59,799 --> 00:05:01,238 Speaker 3: And both of those guys, they. 107 00:05:01,078 --> 00:05:03,118 Speaker 4: Want to be coached, they want to be good, they 108 00:05:03,159 --> 00:05:07,319 Speaker 4: want to be become starters, which is great, and both 109 00:05:07,359 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 4: of them, if you look at it, I know, you 110 00:05:08,678 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 4: guys are not out there in pre practice. Those two 111 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:13,519 Speaker 4: guys are out there early in practice, all right, whether 112 00:05:13,558 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 4: that's you know, Christian doing mental reps by himself, are 113 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:20,438 Speaker 4: on cans, or whether that's you know Roy out there 114 00:05:20,678 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 4: are hitting the sled doing those things. So I think 115 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:26,639 Speaker 4: both of those guys are taking the right steps. 116 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 3: For us, especially for the future legend. 117 00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: I think, you know, going back to Green Bay, all 118 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:38,319 Speaker 4: that stuff they do, the you know, the same type 119 00:05:38,359 --> 00:05:41,198 Speaker 4: of play concepts, so as you see, I mean, how 120 00:05:41,198 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 4: many players were was he out last time? Not that 121 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:47,398 Speaker 4: many last games, So it's the same type of offense 122 00:05:47,438 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 4: that they ran back in the day, so he was 123 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:51,759 Speaker 4: able to go in there and do you know what 124 00:05:52,159 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 4: they did together? 125 00:05:53,438 --> 00:05:56,638 Speaker 2: Mayn't you talked unless me about you know, the family part, 126 00:05:56,759 --> 00:05:57,878 Speaker 2: going to London everything else. 127 00:05:58,198 --> 00:06:00,118 Speaker 4: How do you handle h. 128 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,759 Speaker 2: What's been tough times for you guys? 129 00:06:04,039 --> 00:06:04,639 Speaker 3: Defensively? 130 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 2: How do you does it eat at you? It's a 131 00:06:06,719 --> 00:06:09,639 Speaker 2: humbling game. Obviously as a coach, you're as competitive as 132 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:11,878 Speaker 2: they come. How do you handle that side? If it 133 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:14,399 Speaker 2: as far as not letting it get out of you. 134 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:18,278 Speaker 4: When it comes to what's happening, that's great, that's me, 135 00:06:19,678 --> 00:06:21,398 Speaker 4: That is me. They hired the right guy for that. 136 00:06:22,318 --> 00:06:27,439 Speaker 4: Nothing in my life have been easy, nothing. So my 137 00:06:27,558 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 4: parents did a great job raising me adversity growing up Birmingham, 138 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 4: getting here, working the way I need to work. 139 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 3: You know. All I know is the hard way. All 140 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,199 Speaker 3: I know is no shortcuts. 141 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,478 Speaker 4: So I've always taken the stairs, never had the elevator, 142 00:06:49,318 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 4: never was on third base, started at home plate. 143 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: So that's me. 144 00:06:54,039 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 4: So as far as that, and I'm able to pour 145 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:02,199 Speaker 4: that to the players because I think that when you 146 00:07:02,239 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 4: go through hard times or you go through different challenges, 147 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,439 Speaker 4: because the Bible says this too. It says like there 148 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:12,039 Speaker 4: will be tough times. There will be tough times, and 149 00:07:12,078 --> 00:07:15,599 Speaker 4: so I know that God put me in his position 150 00:07:15,679 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 4: for a reason, and he don't put anything that I 151 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 4: can't bear. 152 00:07:20,719 --> 00:07:23,079 Speaker 3: So it's easy for me because I know I have 153 00:07:23,159 --> 00:07:23,919 Speaker 3: confident in the Lord. 154 00:07:23,999 --> 00:07:27,518 Speaker 4: I know that one that they hired the right guy 155 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:29,519 Speaker 4: because I can get the players that you can do 156 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:31,759 Speaker 4: what I need to do and what they need to do. 157 00:07:32,039 --> 00:07:35,398 Speaker 4: And then also just not waiver, you know, with the flow, 158 00:07:35,679 --> 00:07:37,799 Speaker 4: whether you're six and one or whether you're one in 159 00:07:37,919 --> 00:07:40,639 Speaker 4: six is really you're gonna get the same version of 160 00:07:40,719 --> 00:07:44,359 Speaker 4: me every single time. And then just make sure I 161 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:46,919 Speaker 4: do that, you know, with the players, because you know. 162 00:07:47,919 --> 00:07:48,439 Speaker 3: Just in life. 163 00:07:48,479 --> 00:07:50,959 Speaker 4: I talked to them about that, like in marriage, it's 164 00:07:50,958 --> 00:07:54,879 Speaker 4: gonna be tough times, right, kids, tough times, right football, 165 00:07:54,999 --> 00:07:58,279 Speaker 4: touch time light and so that's where you just really 166 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:02,479 Speaker 4: you learn through those different things and then it's about 167 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:08,319 Speaker 4: who you become in the journey reference journey, journey. 168 00:08:08,559 --> 00:08:09,599 Speaker 3: For years of about check. 169 00:08:09,719 --> 00:08:12,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the media out that basic comments the last 170 00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:14,959 Speaker 2: few days talked about you know, it's not sure why 171 00:08:14,999 --> 00:08:16,999 Speaker 2: the pictures run defense as the way it is because 172 00:08:17,119 --> 00:08:17,879 Speaker 2: a lot of the same. 173 00:08:17,679 --> 00:08:20,238 Speaker 3: Guys run the teams last year resulting different. 174 00:08:21,078 --> 00:08:25,478 Speaker 1: What's your reaction to to him comment defensive performance. 175 00:08:27,078 --> 00:08:28,959 Speaker 4: I don't I don't really look too much into it. 176 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:32,799 Speaker 4: Like that, Bill done some great things for me. He's 177 00:08:32,839 --> 00:08:35,279 Speaker 4: the one brought here, brought me here. I learned a 178 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:38,399 Speaker 4: lot of good things for him. I was a defensive 179 00:08:38,439 --> 00:08:40,519 Speaker 4: line coach for four years. Before that, I was outside 180 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 4: linebacker coach and side linebacker coach. So I've we've been 181 00:08:46,479 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 4: to super Bowls, not been the Super Bowls, been to 182 00:08:49,719 --> 00:08:52,039 Speaker 4: the highest valley, been to the lowest of the valley. 183 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,239 Speaker 4: So for me, I don't really focus on that. I 184 00:08:56,319 --> 00:09:00,639 Speaker 4: do know that really with the our run defense, it's 185 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,279 Speaker 4: gonna get better. We'll do a better job on that. 186 00:09:03,319 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 4: I'll do a better job on that. And and for me, 187 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,119 Speaker 4: we talk about accountability. I'll take that accountability and I'll 188 00:09:11,199 --> 00:09:14,239 Speaker 4: take that and make sure that we do the right 189 00:09:14,239 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 4: things to make sure to run defense is better. And 190 00:09:16,599 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 4: really our defense is better, all right, Our defense is 191 00:09:19,719 --> 00:09:23,359 Speaker 4: better because for us, it's really just about being consistent, 192 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:26,159 Speaker 4: not just for one or two plays or three plays 193 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:29,279 Speaker 4: of four plays. It's consistent play throughout the game. Because 194 00:09:29,319 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 4: when you look at that and you turn on the tape, 195 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 4: there's players there. Those guys are doing a good job. 196 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 4: They're doing a good job, and then it's like, oh, 197 00:09:36,799 --> 00:09:39,399 Speaker 4: one play here which leads to a four yard game 198 00:09:39,719 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 4: or a first down or something like that. So I 199 00:09:42,839 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 4: don't really look into it too much. 200 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,879 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers talk about teacher work in justice. 201 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:52,039 Speaker 1: How is that all does not change kind of the 202 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: plans for the defense going into. 203 00:09:54,319 --> 00:09:58,479 Speaker 3: Attach Like, guess, he'll be there. He'll be there. That's 204 00:09:58,479 --> 00:10:01,239 Speaker 3: why I look at it, like, he'll be there. It's 205 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 3: not going to change for me. 206 00:10:02,359 --> 00:10:06,119 Speaker 4: So when I look at players who played in this 207 00:10:06,199 --> 00:10:09,838 Speaker 4: league alone time veteran players, they'll be there unless it's 208 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:13,239 Speaker 4: a significant injury. And so for me, I'll plan for 209 00:10:13,319 --> 00:10:17,039 Speaker 4: him to be there as healthy as possible, because at 210 00:10:17,079 --> 00:10:23,039 Speaker 4: this time of the year, nobody's healthy. Nobody's healthy, So it's. 211 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:25,479 Speaker 2: Good Patriots play. 212 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: But join John Brook as he brings you all the 213 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:31,039 Speaker 1: latest Patriots talking and expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 214 00:10:31,719 --> 00:10:34,078 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent beat 215 00:10:34,119 --> 00:10:36,159 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 216 00:10:36,199 --> 00:10:38,359 Speaker 1: state of the team. But where the Patriots are concerned, 217 00:10:38,599 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done, and let's get it done. 218 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:43,919 Speaker 3: Right, and then we can worry about versatility. 219 00:10:43,999 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: Am I lying to anybody here. 220 00:10:45,479 --> 00:10:46,879 Speaker 3: Let's just get one thing done. 221 00:10:46,959 --> 00:10:49,639 Speaker 1: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can 222 00:10:49,719 --> 00:10:50,239 Speaker 1: move along. 223 00:10:50,319 --> 00:10:51,799 Speaker 3: That's kind of my biggest thing. 224 00:10:51,839 --> 00:10:54,519 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts