Speaker 1: Up matched. How woud with Gianno called part of the
Speaker 1: gig which with Democrats in control of the White House
Speaker 1: in Congress, the left is on the march. Are God
Speaker 1: given freedoms are under assault? Will Conservatives fight for the
Speaker 1: American people and stand by their principles? Were fold under pressure?
Speaker 1: This is Outllied with Gianno called back. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Outlly with Gianno called, Well, I've got a great show
Speaker 1: for you guys today. My guest is Tommy Laren, one
Speaker 1: of the biggest media personalities out there. A conservative political commentator.
Speaker 1: Tommy is a hosted Fox Nation and you can see
Speaker 1: your frequently giving her insights on Fox News. Before Fox,
Speaker 1: she worked at the Blaze and One American news network.
Speaker 1: Tommy is also the author of the book Never Played Dead,
Speaker 1: How the Truth Makes You Unstoppable. Today, Tommy and I
Speaker 1: discussed gun control, the rise of conservative media, cancel culture,
Speaker 1: sugar daddies in relationships, abortion, race, and so much more.
Speaker 1: Let's go how are you? Tommy? Great? And We've been
Speaker 1: wanting to do this for a while, so I'm glad
Speaker 1: that we got to finally officially worked together. And I
Speaker 1: always wanted to be on Fox l A with you
Speaker 1: with Elex Michaelson, and that did not happen because I
Speaker 1: fled California. But someday we're going to go back and
Speaker 1: give Elex a hard time, right, And to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, you weren't the only one that fled. I
Speaker 1: left two months into the pandemic. So in May I
Speaker 1: moved to Miami, and I think most of the people
Speaker 1: that really could get out left, And it's sincerely a
Speaker 1: joke in California right now is unfortunate. Oh what absolutely is.
Speaker 1: But hey, Miami's Miami is getting a little while too,
Speaker 1: so you know, never a dull moment in this country.
Speaker 1: In all the spring Breakers are coming to to Miami
Speaker 1: on South Beach and working through life. So that's it
Speaker 1: was a weird scene. But hey, at least someone's having fun,
Speaker 1: I guess. So I want to begin with something that
Speaker 1: recently had opened tragedy. I'm talking about Boulder, Colorado, where
Speaker 1: ten people were recently murdered in a mass shooting. In
Speaker 1: response to the shooting, President Biden called for tougher gun control,
Speaker 1: triggering debate on Capitol Hill. Democrats, as they typically do,
Speaker 1: are now moving on legislation that would be in part
Speaker 1: expand background checks to nearly all gun sales, and we
Speaker 1: seem to go through this process with each shooting that
Speaker 1: we see, these national incidents. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the shooting and Boulder and the left latest gun control push. Well,
Speaker 1: we know that the left never lets a tragedy go
Speaker 1: to waste. But you know, as this was all unfolding
Speaker 1: and the facts were coming out, there were so many
Speaker 1: on the left and so many in the mainstream media
Speaker 1: who incorrectly labeled a shooter as a white male, and
Speaker 1: some even labeling him as a white supremacist with really
Speaker 1: no facts to back that up. But as soon as
Speaker 1: it was revealed that he was in fact not a
Speaker 1: white male, or a white supremacist or a Trump supporter,
Speaker 1: then of course it quickly shifted to the firearm and
Speaker 1: the weapon that he used, and that is where the
Speaker 1: narrative goes. But you know, I know that we talk
Speaker 1: about common sense reform, and that's a buzz where the
Speaker 1: Democrats like to use often, and they like to throw
Speaker 1: things like red flag laws and background checks and say,
Speaker 1: how could anybody be against that? Shouldn't we know who's
Speaker 1: getting what and whose firearm and what they have? Well,
Speaker 1: a couple of things on that number one, shall not
Speaker 1: be infringed, means shall not be infringed. And when you
Speaker 1: start stacking up these infringements, it's really just chipping away
Speaker 1: at our Second Amendment rights. So if anybody thinks that
Speaker 1: they're gonna end at increased background checks, they haven't been
Speaker 1: watching the Democrats for the last twenty plus years. And furthermore,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that we need to have increased background
Speaker 1: checks for for law abiding Americans, but we don't have
Speaker 1: to have background checks or accountability for the hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of illegals invading our borders right now. I mean, Democrats,
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about safety and security, you
Speaker 1: can't just pick and choose which safety and security you
Speaker 1: want to root for. At the end of the day, though,
Speaker 1: it's all agenda driven, so it doesn't surprise me. But
Speaker 1: I just hope the American people understand what's going on
Speaker 1: and they wake up and when they hear buzz where
Speaker 1: it's like common sense gun reform, they should know it's
Speaker 1: a lot of b s. Yeah, And being an individual
Speaker 1: from the city of Chicago and seeing how comprehensive the
Speaker 1: gun control laws there has been, but yet you'll see
Speaker 1: thirty people shining a weekend. You wonder what is the
Speaker 1: point at this particular juncture, especially when you look at
Speaker 1: just what was going on in Boulder where assault weapons
Speaker 1: were banned. Um, they had all these laws on the books,
Speaker 1: but yet and still many people died. So do you
Speaker 1: think any common sense will come out of this when
Speaker 1: it comes to the Democrats? Absolutely not, because the Democrats
Speaker 1: know that they are in complete power and control. And
Speaker 1: of course the Senate is a toss up. We know this,
Speaker 1: and we're all hoping for a little bit of moderation there.
Speaker 1: But what I'm truly concerned about, and what Biden even
Speaker 1: said after the tragedy, is that, you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: really have to wait to start enacting the reforms that
Speaker 1: he wants. This has been a president who has been
Speaker 1: largely lost, who has been a puppet for the left.
Speaker 1: But what really concerns me and a lot of the
Speaker 1: actions that he's taken has been through executive order action
Speaker 1: or FIAT. And so that is where my biggest concern
Speaker 1: comes from. And you know, talking about President Biden, I
Speaker 1: don't even look at President Biden as the real threat here.
Speaker 1: It's who's controlling him. Who is his puppeteer. That's what
Speaker 1: truly concerns me. And as we've seen with the Democrats,
Speaker 1: every socialist or far left agenda item that they wanted
Speaker 1: to implement for the last several years they're pushing through
Speaker 1: in the first few months that they've had this control
Speaker 1: and power. So when you look at the next three
Speaker 1: and a half years, that is caused for concern. Do
Speaker 1: you think that we're actually gonna see something happen in
Speaker 1: terms of this gun reformed legislation, because it seems as
Speaker 1: though Democrats have been unafraid to just throw whatever up
Speaker 1: against the wall and try to get everything they want
Speaker 1: to particularly you look at the COVID relief, you look
Speaker 1: at the tax hikes that they're looking to push through
Speaker 1: here soon. And they do have the majority in the House,
Speaker 1: and certainly it is a toss up in the Senate.
Speaker 1: But if they get rid of the filibus, there no
Speaker 1: need for sixty votes, let's just go in and do it,
Speaker 1: is they would. Do you think that's going to happen? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think it absolutely is. I think everything that you're
Speaker 1: seeing is just prepping and preparing for that, and what
Speaker 1: they're not able to ramrod through They're going to find
Speaker 1: other creative avenues with which to do it. And another
Speaker 1: thing I hope people understand and pay attention to is
Speaker 1: that HR one the voting rights that they talk about
Speaker 1: the for the people, which could is really anything. But
Speaker 1: that's another cause for concern. And I think the Democrats
Speaker 1: are going to do whatever they can pass whatever they want.
Speaker 1: Is going to be like Obamacare two point oh three
Speaker 1: point oh four point oh. But what really concerns me,
Speaker 1: Just like they did with the so called COVID relief
Speaker 1: and as we know that less than ten percent of
Speaker 1: that was actually COVID relief in that nearly two trillion
Speaker 1: dollars spending bill, taxpayer funded. They pass these things off
Speaker 1: as COVID relief or consense gun reform, and a lot
Speaker 1: of the American people who watch mainstream media, they fall
Speaker 1: for it, they believe it, and then a lot of
Speaker 1: these representatives and senators they feel comfortable going along with it,
Speaker 1: even if they are more moderate, because it's passed off
Speaker 1: as something that it's truly not, so they can get
Speaker 1: away with it. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it comes back to informing Americans, making sure that people
Speaker 1: understand what's going on. And don't fall for the buzzwords
Speaker 1: because they're gonna do everything they can. It's time for
Speaker 1: us to get smarter and make them fear for their reelection. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we're already at that point in terms of
Speaker 1: them fearing for their re election. And I think that's
Speaker 1: part of the reason why Nancy Pelosi and others are
Speaker 1: trying to shift as much through as possible at this
Speaker 1: particular juncture, because they understand that the Houses is gonna
Speaker 1: change in two I don't I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: question about that. And what we've been seeing out of
Speaker 1: the Joe Biden administration. Even the people who don't like
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, they don't like his rhetoric, they don't like
Speaker 1: the Twitter stuff. Those folks are gonna see a change
Speaker 1: in their taxes and how much they're paying in the
Speaker 1: economics that we see gas prices, et cetera. So there's
Speaker 1: a strong change. Republicans are going to take back the House,
Speaker 1: then the Senate, and the White House is going to
Speaker 1: be very much in place. This this, in my view,
Speaker 1: seems to be a real play to get as much
Speaker 1: do as they possibly can because they know they're going
Speaker 1: to lose. Well, wouldn't have been nice if that would
Speaker 1: have happened in the first couple of years of the
Speaker 1: Trump administration, especially with regards to the border, if Republicans
Speaker 1: could have joined together and made some real changes. Too bad,
Speaker 1: we don't work that way. I was another one of
Speaker 1: my big frustrations. And again always worry about the rhinos,
Speaker 1: and we can talk about that at another time. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I do think that they're they're fearful. I think that
Speaker 1: they know that the American people are not going to
Speaker 1: be happy with what they're doing. But like I said,
Speaker 1: this is why what concerns me is changes that they
Speaker 1: make in voting. You know, it's one thing to say
Speaker 1: that the American people will vote them out. It's another
Speaker 1: thing if they make it dang near impossible. And I
Speaker 1: know that that's become a forbidden term and forbidden word
Speaker 1: to talk about voter fraud or election integrity, but it's
Speaker 1: something that needs to be discussed. And I know that
Speaker 1: they like to use what happened with the insurrection on
Speaker 1: January six to silence and shut people up from talking
Speaker 1: about the important issue of voter fraud and election integrity.
Speaker 1: But we need to be talking about it because what
Speaker 1: they can't get through with their with their elections or
Speaker 1: with their popularity. They'll get through with changing voting laws,
Speaker 1: changing districting, and they'll do it that way. So that's
Speaker 1: my real concern here. Yeah, we we did see that
Speaker 1: in the last election, and I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: felt it was a strong success. So why not continue
Speaker 1: in other ways and from a federal mandate. So you're
Speaker 1: a thousand percent right. But here's the real issue, Tommy.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of Republicans in office who seemingly
Speaker 1: don't stand up or speak forcefully on these issues. It
Speaker 1: seems as though a lot of members in the GOP
Speaker 1: are week why is that Trump was the only one
Speaker 1: who spoke forcefully on these issues? And and honestly, Democrats
Speaker 1: have been running over Republicans for quite a while just
Speaker 1: in terms of beating the media narrative, being forceful in
Speaker 1: their language, and trying to take things over. Shouldn't we
Speaker 1: be doing that as well? We absolutely should, And of
Speaker 1: course we're always going to behave differently than the left
Speaker 1: and the Democrats, and I think it's a standard we
Speaker 1: hold ourselves to and when we should continue. Whoever, we
Speaker 1: don't stit together. And there are still so many Republicans
Speaker 1: out there in elected positions who still have a lot
Speaker 1: of bit earnest towards Donald Trump and what he was
Speaker 1: able to do. You know, they asked me before, and
Speaker 1: they've asked me so many times since, what do you
Speaker 1: think about Trump four? And I'm all for it, if
Speaker 1: not Trump de Santist or another great America First Conservative.
Speaker 1: But they say, you know, there's a divide, there's a
Speaker 1: split in the Republican Party. And I tell folks, there
Speaker 1: is no split, and there is no divide. Make no mistake.
Speaker 1: This is still Donald Trump's party, whether they like to
Speaker 1: think so in the DC Beltway or not. In the
Speaker 1: real world, in real America, this is still very much
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's party. And I think that that makes them
Speaker 1: rather jaded and bitter sometimes in d C. And they
Speaker 1: feel like they need to fight back against that. They
Speaker 1: feel like they need to get back the GOP establishment,
Speaker 1: the good old boys club, and they don't like the
Speaker 1: fact that America First really took over this movement. And
Speaker 1: so I think that's why you see a lot of
Speaker 1: them in their rhino tendencies coming out now, especially when
Speaker 1: they don't have Donald Trump in the White House. Right
Speaker 1: after the breaks. Can you ask you about this because
Speaker 1: you you mentioned the bides us with some of these
Speaker 1: members of the Republican Party. Now, is it fair for
Speaker 1: folks to maybe not speak is nicely about the former
Speaker 1: president considering he does go after people fairly harshly and
Speaker 1: he continues to poke his finger in there. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking about members of the GOP here, not the Democrats.
Speaker 1: I'm all for that, but with some members of the GOP.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking necessarily your Rhino, but anyone that he
Speaker 1: goes after, and they tend to hold these grudges forever
Speaker 1: and seemingly you think about mid Romney or John McCain
Speaker 1: or whoever else. He did go after some of these
Speaker 1: folks in very personal terms. So is it fair for
Speaker 1: them to hold a grudge. You know, anybody can hold
Speaker 1: a personal grudge, and anyone can feel wronged by anyone,
Speaker 1: and everyone's feelings are valid. But what they have to understand,
Speaker 1: and when I think that they've forgotten, both on the
Speaker 1: left and the right, at least when it comes to
Speaker 1: the swamp on both the left and the right, is
Speaker 1: that they are not representative representative of themselves. They represent constituents.
Speaker 1: So if they can be bitter all day long. They
Speaker 1: can be mad. They can go back and forth and
Speaker 1: attack Donald Trump and get into the pettiness if they want.
Speaker 1: But what they need to understand is Donald Trump's policies
Speaker 1: worked for their constituents. So when they sit there bitter
Speaker 1: and they want to go back at him and they
Speaker 1: want to talk about his rhetoric or his tweets or
Speaker 1: the kind of person he is or his character, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the American people care about
Speaker 1: the policies that made their lives better. And those policies
Speaker 1: were policies under Donald J. Trump. So for now, these
Speaker 1: Republicans not to go and fight for those policies, whether
Speaker 1: they're under Trump or anybody else. That is where the
Speaker 1: true frustration comes in. They forget who they work for.
Speaker 1: They do not work for themselves, They do not work
Speaker 1: for each other. They work for us, And I agree
Speaker 1: it should be what the people want. Is It's just
Speaker 1: like when the impeachment votes came down this last go
Speaker 1: around and you saw I don't remember how many was
Speaker 1: it four or five Republicans in the House they voted
Speaker 1: for impeachment. I don't remember what the number was. But
Speaker 1: the question is that your constituents want the president um
Speaker 1: impeached and that that's a real league great points, So
Speaker 1: thank you for mentioning that absolutely agree with that. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to the media. And I know that we've
Speaker 1: both been in media for a long time. I remember
Speaker 1: when I used to come on your show. Now things
Speaker 1: have changed since we both got in media many years ago.
Speaker 1: Well it feels like many years. We're still very young.
Speaker 1: It seems as though the media was a little more
Speaker 1: credible back then, and things have certainly changed since, and
Speaker 1: now they have the lowest approval rating I think of
Speaker 1: both political parties and Congress. What do you think we
Speaker 1: really stand with media? Will there be any change, any
Speaker 1: accountability for the Democratic Party, any accountability for the Biden administration?
Speaker 1: What the hell is going on? Well, you know, this
Speaker 1: is really nothing new. We saw them caudle Barack Obama
Speaker 1: for eight years plus, So I don't think it's any
Speaker 1: shock to you to most that the mainstream media leans
Speaker 1: to the left and now is increasingly leaning to the left.
Speaker 1: It's not like this is a new phenomenon of poor
Speaker 1: trumped arrangement. Center certainly took its effect and pushed them
Speaker 1: further to the left and made their biases a little
Speaker 1: bit more clear to the general public. But I think
Speaker 1: the real thing here, and the thing that concerns me
Speaker 1: most is not just the lack of accountability that the
Speaker 1: media has of themselves and of this Biden administration, but
Speaker 1: also this this cancel culture. And we talk about it
Speaker 1: a lot, and a lot of times we talk about
Speaker 1: it in abstract terms as just you know, canceling the
Speaker 1: my pillow guy, or canceling Mr Potato Head or Dr Seuss,
Speaker 1: But this is bigger than that. The media, the reason
Speaker 1: that they feel so comfortable being so far to the
Speaker 1: left and preaching the things that they preach and being
Speaker 1: so one sided, is because those on the right or
Speaker 1: even those in the middle, are so fearful of cancel
Speaker 1: culture that they're almost afraid to question anybody and anything
Speaker 1: because everyone is so headshy on the right. So I
Speaker 1: think that's why the media has this this teflon feeling
Speaker 1: that they have that they're invincible and untouchable because everyone
Speaker 1: else is so afraid to say anything, and our First
Speaker 1: Amendment rights really are being chipped away, whether it's on
Speaker 1: the big platforms or on college campuses or where have you.
Speaker 1: That is why this media has run so rampant and
Speaker 1: it's getting so much worse. Everyone else is so afraid
Speaker 1: to stand up and say anything that's true. But how
Speaker 1: do we how do we as conservatives combat that? I
Speaker 1: think back to the Hunter Biden story with the New
Speaker 1: York Posts. Obviously was censored by Twitter, but a lot
Speaker 1: of these news organizations simply didn't report on it. So
Speaker 1: when Trump had that second debate, with the first debate,
Speaker 1: he mentioned the Hunter Biden story and people didn't know
Speaker 1: what he was talking about. Is that? What do you
Speaker 1: you know? What? Did this weird ten percent for the
Speaker 1: big guy? No one heard of it except for those
Speaker 1: who watch Fox News and some of these other conservative
Speaker 1: networks or look at conservative blocks. Is there anything we
Speaker 1: can do to penetrate those spaces? Well? Absolutely, I think
Speaker 1: there's always more to innovation and more to creating a platform,
Speaker 1: you know. And it was announced that Donald Trump may
Speaker 1: come out with his own social media platform, which is great,
Speaker 1: and it is frustrating because every time conservatives or independence
Speaker 1: do try to come up with a platform such as Parlor,
Speaker 1: the left still finds a way to shut it down
Speaker 1: and take it off the app store. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to continue to be innovative. But when we talk
Speaker 1: about what conservatives can do to battle cancel culture in general,
Speaker 1: because I get this question a lot because people wonder, well, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: we all hate cancel culture, but what do we really
Speaker 1: do about it? Well, I'll tell you a story. My
Speaker 1: boyfriend's family. They're doing in person virtual learning, and the
Speaker 1: family is big Trump supporters. So in the back of
Speaker 1: a twelve year old zoom class, he has a a
Speaker 1: cutout of Donald Trump, and the teacher said, hey, you
Speaker 1: need to put that down. It's offensive. You know you're
Speaker 1: gonna get kicked out if if you don't put that down. So,
Speaker 1: of course, being a twelve year old and having his
Speaker 1: teacher instruct him to do that, he goes and takes
Speaker 1: away the cardboard cut out of Donald Trump and just
Speaker 1: lays down and plays dead. And when his mom found
Speaker 1: out about it, of course she was hopping mad, thinking,
Speaker 1: in my own house, I can't have a poster of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump or a cut out of Donald Trump. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it was am I
Speaker 1: going to go in and say somebody of the teachers
Speaker 1: and my kid is gonna suffer be because of it?
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that parent that does that
Speaker 1: to my kid. Well, here in lies the problem. There
Speaker 1: are probably so many other parents that share that same sentiment,
Speaker 1: but everybody feels like they're alone on the right. You
Speaker 1: live in You lived in California. I lived in California.
Speaker 1: We know how that is. So many secret conservatives, so
Speaker 1: many conservatives in everyday life that are not in the media,
Speaker 1: not in the public eye, but choose to be quiet
Speaker 1: to save their own skin. But what if we all
Speaker 1: came together and we found support within one another, and
Speaker 1: we said we're gonna refuse to be canceled because we're
Speaker 1: gonna show not only big tech, we're gonna show these companies,
Speaker 1: these institutions, these administrations, these college campuses, that we are
Speaker 1: not alone. It's not one lone conservative battling the mob.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of us. Imagine if we could do that,
Speaker 1: what kind of change we could make. But it's gonna
Speaker 1: take people being a little bit more brave and a
Speaker 1: little bit more bold and willing to stick their neck
Speaker 1: out there and put themselves on the line to do it.
Speaker 1: But if enough of us are willing to do it,
Speaker 1: we can make some big changes and this won't happen anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that it's tough for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: You're right about California, the secret Conservatives. And I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of people walk up to me in l
Speaker 1: a and say, hey, I watch you on Fox News
Speaker 1: and I look like, wow, you watch because it's surprising,
Speaker 1: especially Black Americans, and it happens to me, and I'm like, wow, seriously,
Speaker 1: you watch Fox and it's it's surprising. It's incredibly surprising,
Speaker 1: and people don't want to put themselves out there like
Speaker 1: that because once you get canceled, that's it for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I remember growing up on the South
Speaker 1: Side of Chicago and what they used to say about
Speaker 1: Republicans is if you anyone's a Republican conservative, whatever the case,
Speaker 1: they're completely in totally racist. Now it's a little bit different. It's, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe you're not a racist if you hate Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: but if you're a Trump supporter, then you're absolutely a racist.
Speaker 1: They've changed the narrative, and it seems to be sticking
Speaker 1: with a lot of people that they don't want to
Speaker 1: stick their necks out there, especially if they're not in
Speaker 1: the public sphere. And just imagine how bad things got
Speaker 1: after seen where it was, Oh, you're a Trump supporter,
Speaker 1: I hate you, unfollowed, unfriend, I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: to you anymore. And it's just it's kind of a
Speaker 1: matter of insanity. What happened to us just having different
Speaker 1: political views, of different views on issues, but still being
Speaker 1: friends and having a good time, go to the bar
Speaker 1: and have a drink. What happened to that, Tommy, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's very unfortunate. And you know that's happened to me
Speaker 1: a number of times as well. Not really so much
Speaker 1: with me, because everyone knows where I stand, but just
Speaker 1: people that are friends with me, that have other friends
Speaker 1: that no longer talk to them because they're with me,
Speaker 1: or people that owned businesses, and of course it's trying
Speaker 1: to boycott their business because they're seen with me or
Speaker 1: they're friends with me. And I'm sure you've had the
Speaker 1: same thing happened to you. But again, I go back
Speaker 1: to this, the reason that it is so unbalanced, and
Speaker 1: the reason that it tilts so far to the left
Speaker 1: and they have so much power, it is our own fault.
Speaker 1: We used to have a time where you could be
Speaker 1: a Republican or maybe even a Trump supporter, and you
Speaker 1: could still exist as a Republican and be proud of
Speaker 1: being that, and we could have different views and have
Speaker 1: friends on the left, have friends in the middle, and
Speaker 1: we could maybe talk about politics, maybe leave politics and
Speaker 1: religion out of it. We could do that. But then
Speaker 1: it got to this point where the left started getting
Speaker 1: more and more angry out for blood because Donald Trump
Speaker 1: won that election and they did not think he was
Speaker 1: gonna win. And so what did they do. They came
Speaker 1: for us, and they came for us hard. And what
Speaker 1: did we do? Well, Unfortunately, a lot of conservatives back down,
Speaker 1: and we said, you're right, you're right. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for my beliefs. Let me apologize for my beliefs.
Speaker 1: Please just be my friend, Please just hire me, Please
Speaker 1: just let me in this group. We did it to ourselves.
Speaker 1: Why are we so weak? The left is not weak.
Speaker 1: They are not. They might look weak, but they're not.
Speaker 1: They banded together. There There are few liberals who are
Speaker 1: ever going to be apologetic about their views or worry
Speaker 1: about offending somebody. They go into every room and every
Speaker 1: situation thinking everyone in there is a liberal and I
Speaker 1: know you know it because it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: They think everyone around them as a liberal. They don't
Speaker 1: care who they offend. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: so many conservatives are so scared. Why are we like that?
Speaker 1: We're talking with Tommy wearing more with her right after
Speaker 1: the Great the culture is controlling so much today. How
Speaker 1: con conservative media or conservatives gained a greater influence in
Speaker 1: the culture. And you've done that successfully. You've been talked
Speaker 1: about on the Breakfast Club. People talk about you all over.
Speaker 1: You have friends that aren't all all Republicans. You have
Speaker 1: some who are very influential Democrats, people of all celebrities,
Speaker 1: all kind of folks. Uh, either they hate you, or
Speaker 1: they love you, or they want to spend time with
Speaker 1: you just to get to know you. Well, I found
Speaker 1: two and I'm sure that you've experienced the same thing.
Speaker 1: Is that people come into a conversation with me wanting
Speaker 1: to hate me. For example, like a Trevor Noah or
Speaker 1: Charlemagne or a Chelsea Handler. They want to go into
Speaker 1: situations with me hating me because they don't align with
Speaker 1: my views. But if they just spend a little bit
Speaker 1: of time with me one on one, they hate the
Speaker 1: fact that they actually might kind of like me, or
Speaker 1: at least they find me tolerable as a human being,
Speaker 1: and I find that that changes things. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was about a about four years ago to this date
Speaker 1: that I was on the View and Joy behar though
Speaker 1: obviously she went after me and did not like me
Speaker 1: for my beliefs, she came up to me afterwards and
Speaker 1: was shocked that she enjoyed being around me, And it
Speaker 1: was almost like she had this revelation that she wanted
Speaker 1: to hate me so badly but she couldn't. And so
Speaker 1: I think it's up to us too to show our
Speaker 1: personalities more. Conservatives need to do that. We need to
Speaker 1: do a better job of that. Where some of us
Speaker 1: are really good at being on media or being on
Speaker 1: platforms and being you know, hard asses, are being aggressive
Speaker 1: and taken the fight to the left, and that's all great.
Speaker 1: We need to continue doing that, but there's also a
Speaker 1: part of it where we can show that we're real
Speaker 1: human beings. We have fun just like anybody else. We
Speaker 1: enjoy the same things that liberals enjoy. We're all people,
Speaker 1: but conservatives have for too long been afraid to show
Speaker 1: that side of themselves because we feel like we need
Speaker 1: to hold ourselves into some kind of a a square
Speaker 1: and we need to be so prudish. We don't need
Speaker 1: to be that way. I think that we could build
Speaker 1: a lot of barriers if we were just ourselves. I
Speaker 1: think you and I do that pretty well, but I
Speaker 1: would encourage more conservatives to do just that. But it
Speaker 1: just comes with once you do it more and you
Speaker 1: have difficult conversations and you stop apologizing for your beliefs,
Speaker 1: it becomes a habit, and then it becomes known that
Speaker 1: that's who you are and about you, and know that
Speaker 1: people know that they're not going to change your mind
Speaker 1: or shame you, and then the conversation seems to change
Speaker 1: a little bit. Mm hmm. Yeah. So it's it's it's
Speaker 1: all about getting out there and that's that's a one
Speaker 1: of the points that you just made which really resonated
Speaker 1: with me in terms of being yourself. And when I
Speaker 1: joined the GOP over well over a decade ago, it
Speaker 1: was the vibe that I got was if you're not
Speaker 1: conservative on every issue, you can't be a real conservative,
Speaker 1: you can't be a real Republican. Things changed after Trump
Speaker 1: got in because if you know, he wasn't an ideologue.
Speaker 1: He he had some views that different from the party,
Speaker 1: but from a standard he was all there, and he
Speaker 1: accomplished a lot of great things, especially from an economic standpoint,
Speaker 1: that was excellent, one of the things we can really
Speaker 1: really appreciate. So how would you, because you've said famously
Speaker 1: and publicly that some of your you hold some socially
Speaker 1: liberal views despite being a conservative, how would you describe
Speaker 1: your political philosophy or ideology. Sure, and there are so
Speaker 1: many conservatives that do stuck up that way, especially young
Speaker 1: conservative women. And I've had so many that said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I always thought I was a liberal because
Speaker 1: I am either pro choice or I'm pro LGBT. So
Speaker 1: I thought I was a liberal. But that's the only
Speaker 1: two liberal positions that I have. Everything else, I'm conservative
Speaker 1: on the things that quite honestly truly matter in terms
Speaker 1: of the way that the country is safe and secure, taxes, economics, businesses, prosperity, education,
Speaker 1: all those things they stacked up conservatively. But those two issues,
Speaker 1: abortion and same sex marriage. They said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I'm a liberal because I I'm okay with
Speaker 1: those things. No, you're not a liberal. You are socially
Speaker 1: more liberal on a couple of those things. That doesn't
Speaker 1: make you a liberal. And you know, vice versa. But
Speaker 1: the problem is for conservatives is we exclude people. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we say, hey, you know, if you don't fit the
Speaker 1: mold completely and entirely, then you're not a quote real conservative.
Speaker 1: That's been levied against me many times because I've said
Speaker 1: I'm pro choice and because I believe in limited government,
Speaker 1: and then people also on the conservative side, which I
Speaker 1: find so frustrating, is that they want to back you
Speaker 1: into a corner and then now they want to label
Speaker 1: me as pro abortion. Excuse me. I never said it
Speaker 1: was pro abortion. I said I'm pro choice because I
Speaker 1: believe in limited government. There's a big difference there. We
Speaker 1: need to understand that people exist on a spectrum and
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that they can't be in the club.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they're not good conservatives. It means
Speaker 1: we're expanding the tent. So that's something conservatives need to
Speaker 1: do better with, and we need to not be afraid
Speaker 1: to upset our conservative friends as well. There's room for
Speaker 1: all of us here. We've got varying points of view,
Speaker 1: and you know, you and I probably disagree on a
Speaker 1: few things too. Were both great conservatives. I'm very hard
Speaker 1: on prison and criminal justice reform. I'm very much a
Speaker 1: law and order type girl, so a lot of the
Speaker 1: first step back stuff I was very vocally against. A
Speaker 1: lot of conservatives were for it. A lot of conservatives
Speaker 1: were for it, but hey, and Donald Trump obviously was
Speaker 1: for it. Not something that I really rode with. But
Speaker 1: that's all right, Let's have discussion and conversation. That's what
Speaker 1: makes us better. Yeah, I agree, we should definitely be
Speaker 1: having those conversations that I remember, Uh, some of the
Speaker 1: things we were tweeting and I was responding to your tweets.
Speaker 1: I remember the criminal justice conversation, and I appreciate that. Uh. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to go back to a point you made.
Speaker 1: You say that you're your pro choice not pro abortion.
Speaker 1: What does that really really mean? Well, that means, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: this is a sticky issue and it's a complicated one.
Speaker 1: I don't think that government should be used to solve
Speaker 1: problems that government can't solve, so and this is obviously
Speaker 1: a touchy such there's so many folks out there was
Speaker 1: such strong opinions on this. I don't like abortion. I
Speaker 1: don't believe in abortion. I don't believe that that is
Speaker 1: a method of birth control. However, when the government comes
Speaker 1: in and cracks down, especially a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: when it was even in the case of rape or incest,
Speaker 1: too far, too far. Understand that someone that's in that position,
Speaker 1: for for the majority of people in that position that
Speaker 1: are considering abortion, they're in the lowest place of their life.
Speaker 1: They are struggling. And do I think that the government
Speaker 1: coming in and saying you can't do this is going
Speaker 1: to solve that problem for them, or is going to
Speaker 1: make them make good choices or make them make the
Speaker 1: right choice. No, I don't think that's government's place now.
Speaker 1: I believe that the church, the family, the community, that's
Speaker 1: when they step in and say, hey, listen, choose life.
Speaker 1: And those are great conversations to have make people feel accepted.
Speaker 1: But another thing that bothers me about some conservatives, and
Speaker 1: especially some faith based conservatives, is that they judge people
Speaker 1: being in that position, but then they judge people for
Speaker 1: trying to get out of that position. You can't do
Speaker 1: both either going to wrap your arms around somebody and
Speaker 1: encourage them to choose life or you're or you're not.
Speaker 1: But you can't shame them on both ends of the
Speaker 1: aisle and expect expect the results that you want, so,
Speaker 1: I just want us to have an honest, open conversation
Speaker 1: about issues that are really difficult without having to say, oh, nope,
Speaker 1: get out, you're not a conservative. These are difficult issues.
Speaker 1: A lot of people struggle with those issues, and that's
Speaker 1: a conversation that needs to be wide open and more
Speaker 1: discussion needs to be had. It's not just pro abortion
Speaker 1: or pro life. There's a lot of gray area there
Speaker 1: that needs to be discussed, and you sound very passionate
Speaker 1: about it. I'm I'm curious. Have you ever talked someone
Speaker 1: out of having an abortion? Have you ever been in
Speaker 1: a situation yourself? No? I haven't, But to me, it's
Speaker 1: just the frustration of it, because I don't like when
Speaker 1: people are judgmental of others that are in difficult positions.
Speaker 1: And I will tell you I haven't had that personal experience.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this. I have a good friend
Speaker 1: who is in Dallas and she is a detective. She
Speaker 1: works on times against children. So she's told me, and
Speaker 1: we've had this discussion many times, that she goes into
Speaker 1: households that have dealt with incessant and nine ten year
Speaker 1: old girls pregnant. What do you do in that situation.
Speaker 1: When you've seen it and you've been around it, it's
Speaker 1: a little different. The conversation becomes a little bit more fuzzy.
Speaker 1: So I don't like judgmental. I like people that work
Speaker 1: towards great solutions and work towards the outcomes that are
Speaker 1: going to be best for everybody, and I believe that
Speaker 1: that is life. But to judge somebody at their lowest
Speaker 1: moment and say that government's going to solve the problem,
Speaker 1: I just don't believe in that. You really sound very
Speaker 1: passionate about this, and it's it's have you felt judged?
Speaker 1: And obviously people have judged you. You millions of views
Speaker 1: on this, that and the other. You're very very famous
Speaker 1: in this space, and generally did did it hit a chord?
Speaker 1: As you think about these issues, especially around abortion, people
Speaker 1: being judged and being at the lowest points of their
Speaker 1: lives at that moment, it sounds like a very emotional
Speaker 1: experience for you, like almost like your voices cry. And
Speaker 1: it may not be, but that's what I'm here, and
Speaker 1: I feel the real connection to the subject matter. Well,
Speaker 1: it is because I lost my job over it. So
Speaker 1: that's that's a big one for me. I mean, I
Speaker 1: went through after saying what I said on the View,
Speaker 1: going through getting fired from the Blaze and having a
Speaker 1: six month lawsuit that nearly bankrupt me. So it's it's
Speaker 1: a touchy subject for me, but it's one where I
Speaker 1: stood up for what I believe in. I do think
Speaker 1: that there are some issues though, and and not just
Speaker 1: the abortion issue, but issues that conservatives sometimes can lack
Speaker 1: compassion on, and the left is very good at it.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't lead with feelings. We lead with facts,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying we should change that, but there
Speaker 1: are times when we can feel compassion for people that
Speaker 1: are in low points, and we can understand that we
Speaker 1: need to wrap our arms around people and that the
Speaker 1: government is never going to be good at doing that,
Speaker 1: which is why I believe so strongly and limited government.
Speaker 1: But I think for me, when you asked me if
Speaker 1: I feel judge, well, of course I feel judge. I
Speaker 1: lost my job over it for expressing an opinion and
Speaker 1: a view. But I've also had a lot of conservatives
Speaker 1: come after me and use that label with me that
Speaker 1: I'm not a real conservative, that I I don't belong here.
Speaker 1: While she is pro choice, so she is not one
Speaker 1: of us. Of course I felt judged on that issue,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I'm going to stop saying it. I don't care if
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro calls me a bimbo every single day. He
Speaker 1: can do that, that's fine. I'm not going to back down.
Speaker 1: I've never backed down once in my life, and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to start today because a conservative tells me
Speaker 1: I'm not a conservative. Okay, not gonna happen, especially when
Speaker 1: there are so many of those quote unquote conservatives who
Speaker 1: were never Trumpers, and then Trump won and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they wanted us all to forget that
Speaker 1: they were never Trumpers. Okay, not how it works. But
Speaker 1: I didn't strip their conservative card for that reason. So
Speaker 1: don't come after mine because I have a view that
Speaker 1: might not align with yours. A lot of room for
Speaker 1: a lot of conservatives in this movement. No, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that that response there. Thank you for sharing that. Now.
Speaker 1: You mentioned conservatives sometimes don't wrap their their arms around
Speaker 1: folks on particular issues, and I've seen um as an
Speaker 1: examin a sample Canada's el ones. When it came to
Speaker 1: George Floyd, she made more of a mention of his
Speaker 1: criminal record than it being a tragedy. Some argued, would
Speaker 1: you think that that would be another issue with some
Speaker 1: of these issues of race where tragedies happen. And granted,
Speaker 1: we recognize the fact that law enforcement is majority good.
Speaker 1: I would argued that most of the law enforcement that
Speaker 1: I've worked with, and I was a spokesperson for a
Speaker 1: law enforcement organization, I support the police on very pro police.
Speaker 1: I do believe there should be police reform. Is that
Speaker 1: one of the considerations around it for you? Now, when
Speaker 1: we're talking about police reform, that's sticky for me because
Speaker 1: you know how pro law enforcement I am, and I
Speaker 1: think that the police do the best that they can
Speaker 1: with the resources they have, and the goal is never
Speaker 1: going to be to defund the police and take away
Speaker 1: those resources because it only makes them better to have
Speaker 1: more resources at their disposal. But I will say this
Speaker 1: at Sea Pack. Actually, Dan Bongino was on our Fox
Speaker 1: Nation show and he said something to me that really resonated,
Speaker 1: and it's something that I'll take with me. He said,
Speaker 1: whenever he does interviews or talks about law enforcement, or
Speaker 1: he talks about being lem or some of the social
Speaker 1: justice issues in our country, especially over this past summer.
Speaker 1: He said that even though he's incredibly pro law enforcement,
Speaker 1: the way that he approaches these issues with people who
Speaker 1: disagree with him on that issue is he says, I
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that you've had different experiences than I've had.
Speaker 1: Now that was something that kind of hit me because
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, it's okay to say that.
Speaker 1: It's okay for me to be very pro law enforcement,
Speaker 1: and I am probably one of the most pro law
Speaker 1: enforcement people you'll ever speak to, but it's okay for
Speaker 1: me to understand that my experiences are not going to
Speaker 1: be the same as yours, and your experiences are going
Speaker 1: to be the same as mine. So we should always
Speaker 1: try to come from a place of at least understanding
Speaker 1: where someone is coming from, even if we don't agree
Speaker 1: with it, and then go to battle, go to war,
Speaker 1: talk about the policies, talk about the the issues all
Speaker 1: day long and disagree, but we can take a moment
Speaker 1: to come from a place of understanding and not automatically
Speaker 1: think that the other person is wrong, but maybe just
Speaker 1: the other person has different experiences. That's something that quite honestly,
Speaker 1: I need to get better at, and I'm learning how
Speaker 1: to do that, And I think it's making me better
Speaker 1: as a political commentator and as a person, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to continue to do that. Wow. That Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a great response to I mean, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you for that. Now, what what did you think of
Speaker 1: the George Floyd's situation? Generally, Hey, listen, Obviously, anybody that
Speaker 1: watched that knows that it was a tragedy. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody could watch that video and not feel just
Speaker 1: absolutely gut wrenched by it. Now, obviously horrible tragedy. What
Speaker 1: happened afterwards, and people using his name and using the
Speaker 1: experience to destroy this country, to destroy one another, to
Speaker 1: destroy businesses, to create such a racial divide in this
Speaker 1: country like we haven't seen since we had segregation and slavery.
Speaker 1: That to me was also incredibly sickening. But another thing
Speaker 1: that bothers me is this BLM movement. It started out
Speaker 1: as Black Lives Matter. Hey, understand, our communities are hurting.
Speaker 1: I can I can get on board with that, we
Speaker 1: can have that discussion. But once you start moving to
Speaker 1: defund the police, all cops are bastards. Fry am like
Speaker 1: bacon looting, burning and feeling justified in that and using
Speaker 1: George Floyd and other people as your banner. I can't
Speaker 1: get on board with that. And I also can't get
Speaker 1: on board with companies who put BLM over everything, knowing
Speaker 1: that their agenda is to destroy the nuclear family. They
Speaker 1: have Marxist roots, and they wanted to fund the police.
Speaker 1: So that's where I take a lot of issue with
Speaker 1: what happened afterwards. But it's okay to say what happened
Speaker 1: to George Floyd was completely and totally wrong. It's okay
Speaker 1: to have those discussions, even as someone that's pro law enforcement.
Speaker 1: There are so many people in law enforcement they were
Speaker 1: gut wrenched by that, if not everybody in law enforcement
Speaker 1: that was gut wrenched by that. But what happened afterwards inexcusable,
Speaker 1: and I don't disagree, not one bit, absolutely inexcusable. And
Speaker 1: a lot of these people who went into their own
Speaker 1: neighborhood and destroy them, leading to billions of dollars of
Speaker 1: losses during a pandemic made matters and worse. So you
Speaker 1: can't say that you're marginalized um and creating more of
Speaker 1: a destitute situation for yourself. So that that is a
Speaker 1: strong point of view there. Now do you think in
Speaker 1: a situation like that, police reform would be necessities, maybe
Speaker 1: additional police training, say something like that wouldn't happen again.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really easy to look back at it
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we need police reform. What really concerns me, though,
Speaker 1: is nationalizing that, which is something I think the Democrats
Speaker 1: really want. They want a set of rules and regulations
Speaker 1: as at at a national level. Every community is different,
Speaker 1: every police department is different. I think we need more
Speaker 1: community outreach. I think we need more officers who are
Speaker 1: willing to go into those communities, to go into schools,
Speaker 1: to build those bonds and build those relationships and break
Speaker 1: down some of that mistrust that has been there for generations.
Speaker 1: I think that that would go a long way, probably
Speaker 1: a lot further than actual police reform. But I also
Speaker 1: look at what happened in California with some of their
Speaker 1: police reform and speaking to so many offers as officers
Speaker 1: that say, hey, listen, we're in these positions where we're
Speaker 1: going to these communities and we're trying to protect and
Speaker 1: serve oftentimes minority communities or communities of color, but we
Speaker 1: are so dang terrified to make a wrong move, to
Speaker 1: do anything, that we're either going to put ourselves in
Speaker 1: the line of danger and death and not come home
Speaker 1: to our families at night, or we're gonna sit back
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do nothing, and we're gonna leave these
Speaker 1: communities defenseless because we're so afraid to act. And that's
Speaker 1: what a lot of California policies have done to their
Speaker 1: police force there. So that is what really concerns me
Speaker 1: when we start talking about police reform, is that we're
Speaker 1: going to get to the level of California where officers
Speaker 1: are like, hey, listen, I can't win here. I want
Speaker 1: to go into these communities, I want to protect and
Speaker 1: I want to serve, and I want to go home
Speaker 1: into my family at night. But these policies have made
Speaker 1: it so that I'm unable to do that. And what
Speaker 1: happens when they start feeling that way, You're gonna lose
Speaker 1: the good officers. You're gonna lose the good officers that
Speaker 1: are out there to protect and serve, and what you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna get is you're going to get the bad apples.
Speaker 1: So that's what truly concerns me when we talk about
Speaker 1: police reform and some of the policies that are that
Speaker 1: are put forth. If we're gonna use the California model,
Speaker 1: I'm uninterested. Yeah, I mean it's in it's more than California.
Speaker 1: So I think that there should be some form of
Speaker 1: police reform trainings that the Senator Tim Scott method, if
Speaker 1: you will. But at the same time, Illinois, I think
Speaker 1: it's another example they just passed a police reform whereas
Speaker 1: you can anonymously call in on the officer, make an
Speaker 1: accusation unverified, and they can literally be dismissed from their job.
Speaker 1: Is really insane. And that right there is where you
Speaker 1: lose a lot of good officers is perhaps think, hey,
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for fifteen twenty years, i might
Speaker 1: as well retire. I'm not gonna deal with this BS.
Speaker 1: And I would agree with that assessment. So common sense
Speaker 1: reformed for me, and I understand your your your point
Speaker 1: of view. Now, if I can switch gears right before
Speaker 1: we get to the border, because I want to talk
Speaker 1: about your trip to the border here soon, but if
Speaker 1: I can get you to just let your hair down,
Speaker 1: Tommy laren Um after dark, if you will. Uh So
Speaker 1: last year you had this this video they weren't really
Speaker 1: really viral where you were talking about men and everyone
Speaker 1: picked it up. I was gonna call you before we
Speaker 1: had this conversation, just to make sure we could talk
Speaker 1: about it, like, hey, do you mind if I mentioned that?
Speaker 1: But it was so good and honestly, as an individual
Speaker 1: who's been talking about relationships, I had dr drew on
Speaker 1: here talking about relationships. There's a guy by the name
Speaker 1: m Kenny, said Kevin Samuels that I want to bring
Speaker 1: on to talk about relationships. But you have a very
Speaker 1: interesting point of view, and would you mind sharing some
Speaker 1: of the points you made that went viral because I
Speaker 1: thought a lot of them were credible points. And as
Speaker 1: a man who um, I want to get married very soon,
Speaker 1: if you will, as a man who's in that particular space,
Speaker 1: what should men be looking out for? What? What are
Speaker 1: women who are these great positions and that great women?
Speaker 1: What should guys be looking out for and what should
Speaker 1: they be doing to get those particular women? Sure, and
Speaker 1: I won't say that women are are blameless in this either,
Speaker 1: because women have changed a lot too, but millennials and
Speaker 1: then even worse the generation after us, just the way
Speaker 1: that the interactions are, the the surface level level, the shallow,
Speaker 1: the leaving somebody of value because you want to post
Speaker 1: somebody on your Instagram that might look a certain way.
Speaker 1: It seems like we're completely losing sight of valuing value,
Speaker 1: which is one of the points in my video my
Speaker 1: p s A to Boyish men, is that it does
Speaker 1: seem like everybody is living for the Graham. Everybody's living
Speaker 1: to be validated by how attractive the person that they're
Speaker 1: they're with is or what status they have, and people
Speaker 1: are not going underneath the hood and figuring out the
Speaker 1: character of somebody, the beliefs, the value, the tenacity of
Speaker 1: the determination. And it's a problem and we're seeing it
Speaker 1: more and more now and the number of young women.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm only twenty eight years old, but
Speaker 1: right now what I'm seeing among my friends and their
Speaker 1: younger sisters is twenty one year old girls who are
Speaker 1: dating fifty something year old men. And these fifties something
Speaker 1: year old men they're not longer interested in even a
Speaker 1: twenty five year old. They want a twenty one year old.
Speaker 1: Why do they have anything in common with a twenty
Speaker 1: one year old. I'm gonna go ahead and say probably not.
Speaker 1: But the problem is is that these twenty one year
Speaker 1: old girls. They want to have things, they want to have,
Speaker 1: the luxury, they want to have, you know, the money.
Speaker 1: And these men want to have a hot girl on
Speaker 1: their arm all what all for other people? Also that
Speaker 1: other people can validate and verify them. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a big problem, not only with men, but with
Speaker 1: women right now. I also think another problem, and I
Speaker 1: always call it, you know, excuse my language, but the
Speaker 1: pacification of American men. It's a problem. Men do not
Speaker 1: know how to interact anymore from a position of from
Speaker 1: of strength. And I'm not saying that we need the
Speaker 1: so called toxic masculinity, but men are terrified to go
Speaker 1: and actually approach a woman in real life and speak
Speaker 1: to her like a human being. They would rather hide
Speaker 1: in a d M or be a pen pal and
Speaker 1: not actually interact with people. It's astonishing to me how
Speaker 1: many men are just terrified of having a conversation and
Speaker 1: they'd really like to keep everything on the surface. And
Speaker 1: I think it's just comes from a deepenseea purity and
Speaker 1: men just really aren't men anymore. And I'm sure that
Speaker 1: there are some, but from my experience, boy, it's hard
Speaker 1: out there. If you're a woman with goals and you're
Speaker 1: a woman who knows herself and is confident, you're gonna
Speaker 1: come off as intimidating. And it's not something that men want.
Speaker 1: They want the easy route. They don't want to have
Speaker 1: to work at it. They want the twenty one year
Speaker 1: old to just wants the lip filler and the Instagram
Speaker 1: photo and uh, that's about it. Unfortunately, so the sugar
Speaker 1: diddy culture has exploded and they're getting a twenty one
Speaker 1: years old one year old women fifty. Yeah, and there
Speaker 1: are so many young girls who seem to want that.
Speaker 1: I mean girls that that don't have daddy issues that
Speaker 1: you know, you typically think about a girl that's gonna
Speaker 1: go for an older man or want to be taken
Speaker 1: care of. It is like, oh, I bet she's got
Speaker 1: some issues or or something. No, no, no no, these are
Speaker 1: just average girls that are brought up in great families
Speaker 1: that are otherwise have everything going for them. But it's
Speaker 1: the Graham, I'm telling you, it's the Instagram, it's the TikTok.
Speaker 1: They want to have the labels, they want to be
Speaker 1: in on a fancy vacation. Maybe it's reality TV creeping
Speaker 1: in there too. I don't know what it is, but boy,
Speaker 1: we need to not only educate our our young men,
Speaker 1: but educate our young women on what value is. I'm
Speaker 1: afraid we're losing as a culture in a fast and
Speaker 1: rapid rate. And let me tell you, as someone who
Speaker 1: lived in l A, I completely agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you though a lot of women where
Speaker 1: it used to be when we were growing up during
Speaker 1: those years, it was all about securing yourself. You wanted
Speaker 1: to look appropriate, you wanted to make sure you you
Speaker 1: didn't sleep with a guy the first time you meet him.
Speaker 1: And I hate to mention that, but a lot of
Speaker 1: times it happens. And then some women, though, they especially
Speaker 1: in l A and those kind of environments, they're expecting
Speaker 1: things if you want to get to know them, uh,
Speaker 1: and not necessarily that I've had the experience, because I
Speaker 1: don't go for that. But they're looking for guys that
Speaker 1: are gonna cash them out. They want the fine dates,
Speaker 1: they want Tiffany bracelets, they want Birking bags, they want
Speaker 1: Christian lubes, they want the whole deal. Otherwise you're not
Speaker 1: getting to know of them. That's where a lot of
Speaker 1: education is necessities at this point. Would you agree, especially
Speaker 1: you haven't lived in l A. You've seen it firsthand,
Speaker 1: you know, And I would like to say that it's
Speaker 1: just l A. And I actually mentioned that in my
Speaker 1: video because you know, folks often say, like, maybe it's
Speaker 1: just the city that you live, and it's like that,
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks it's their city. That's like that. Everyone
Speaker 1: thinks it's l A, or it's Miami, or it's Dallas,
Speaker 1: or it's Nashville, or it's where you live. I can
Speaker 1: tell you I've lived a lot of places and it's
Speaker 1: a problem everywhere. And I think it just goes back
Speaker 1: to that valuing value and in your right, there are
Speaker 1: women are not blameless in this. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of women that think that they are owed something. And
Speaker 1: it is the instagram of the whole thing. It's probably
Speaker 1: a lot to do with culture and in reality TV
Speaker 1: and what people think a relationship looks like because of
Speaker 1: what they see on TV or what they see on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and they think that that's fulfilling. Um at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you and I know it's not. But
Speaker 1: I worry also. I hate to always blame the parents,
Speaker 1: but you kind of have to a little bit in
Speaker 1: certain circumstances because I think if you have a good family,
Speaker 1: and you have that tight knit family that spends time together,
Speaker 1: that talks about values, or that has family values. I
Speaker 1: think that translates into relationship values, and unfortunately that's deteriorating.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many families do you see at dinner
Speaker 1: or how many moms do you see pushing strollers that
Speaker 1: are on their Instagram or on their TikTok, not paying
Speaker 1: an ounce of attention to their kid, not really coming
Speaker 1: together as a family. You know, you see people on
Speaker 1: on dates, married couples, both on their phones. This is
Speaker 1: a big problem. But I think it goes back to
Speaker 1: family values and we need to restore those as well
Speaker 1: before we even start getting into relationship values. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a tough one. How do we restore
Speaker 1: family family values is a whole another conversation, and I
Speaker 1: think that's tough. People who are listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: right now, they may be older, they may not be
Speaker 1: all young folks, uh, And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: folks don't understand the pressures that come with dating these days.
Speaker 1: It is a totally different ball game. It's a new
Speaker 1: language generation Z is on one, if you will, and
Speaker 1: the standards have changed and what I've realized is even
Speaker 1: when you treat a woman, I've had experiences with the
Speaker 1: utmost respect and dignity and you don't do anything wrong.
Speaker 1: Still and all some of those women could be uh
Speaker 1: more interested in the glitz and the glamor of the
Speaker 1: basketball player or you know, the guy who just has
Speaker 1: the fast money who's willing to spend it however you can.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what's really disappointing to me at this
Speaker 1: particular time. I wish men and women have have these
Speaker 1: conversations because I think women are oftentimes have the some
Speaker 1: of the same concerns. I mean, just as you're saying
Speaker 1: that you're you don't like women who are interested in
Speaker 1: the stuff, in the materialistic things, then there are so
Speaker 1: many women that are like, hey, listen, I'm a good woman,
Speaker 1: but all this guy wants is the twenty one year old.
Speaker 1: So I think there's got to be a place for
Speaker 1: people that are serious to find each other and have
Speaker 1: the conversations because there's I think there's a big lack
Speaker 1: of communication too, and everyone thinks that they need to
Speaker 1: put up a facade. You know, men think that they
Speaker 1: have to be something, and women think they have to
Speaker 1: be something, and if everyone would just be themselves, we'd
Speaker 1: probably be a lot better off. But people are so
Speaker 1: afraid to be that anymore. And it goes back to
Speaker 1: confidence too. I think for me, you know, I stop
Speaker 1: worrying about what people thought about me ten years ago.
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore. So I'm gonna be me. And
Speaker 1: if people find that intimidating or they want something else,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, go find it. Because I found that
Speaker 1: confidence in myself and I think that that confidence attracts
Speaker 1: the right people. So I think confidence is another big thing.
Speaker 1: We need to be teaching more of true confidence, not
Speaker 1: Instagram validation and likes, but true confidence. If you take
Speaker 1: all that away. Yeah, I agree, we should do Instagram
Speaker 1: live on that. I'm following you on I g but
Speaker 1: do it absolutely. I would love to actually do that.
Speaker 1: I'll text you on that. Now, let me ask you
Speaker 1: about your trip to the border. You've got an exciting
Speaker 1: trip to the border. And when I say exciting, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to show Americans what's really going on,
Speaker 1: not what the Biden administration is lying about. What should
Speaker 1: we expect to see? This is gonna be a Fox
Speaker 1: Nation special. I imagine, Yes, it is, and I'm so glad, Joanna,
Speaker 1: only you and I could go from talking about sugar
Speaker 1: daddies talking about the border. So I really love that
Speaker 1: transition there. But yeah, next week. I've done several border trips.
Speaker 1: I've been to really all corners of it on several
Speaker 1: official trips during the Trump administration, where Customs and Border
Speaker 1: Protection was more than happy to have me down there
Speaker 1: and see what was going on, even when it was
Speaker 1: really bad and the caravans were coming through. But as
Speaker 1: it's been talked about a lot in the media, finally
Speaker 1: there has been Even if it's not an official gag order,
Speaker 1: it is an implied gag order. I would never be
Speaker 1: able to go down with board patrol and have an
Speaker 1: official visit like I did during the Trump administration because
Speaker 1: this administration is just not going to allow it, especially
Speaker 1: for someone like me. But luckily there are ways to
Speaker 1: go around that. For me. Um, I want to talk.
Speaker 1: If I can't talk to border patrol, I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk to the ranchers, the landowners, the people that are
Speaker 1: living in these towns that are being invaded and flooded
Speaker 1: with illegal immigrants. I want to go talk to them
Speaker 1: because they're seeing this stuff. Firsthand, I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: to a rancher in Arizona, in a small town and
Speaker 1: Zona next week, who's seeing people, I mean going through
Speaker 1: his yard, in his barn, just absolutely with no regard
Speaker 1: for his property and they're coming in by the thousands. Now,
Speaker 1: just imagine that as a landowner and then also feeling
Speaker 1: like you're kind of defenseless. I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: really do? You've got thousands of people coming under your property.
Speaker 1: You're trying to run a ranch, you're trying to be
Speaker 1: a property owner, and you're having to deal with this
Speaker 1: because of this Biden administration cattle call that he issued
Speaker 1: and open borders agenda that he is pushing. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go down and get the real story and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bring it back and show everybody on Fox Nation.
Speaker 1: And Uh, I think people are going to be really
Speaker 1: surprised to see what's really going on, not these official
Speaker 1: congressional visits, but what's really going on. Yeah, we look
Speaker 1: forward to seeing that certainly, So we'll keep our eyes
Speaker 1: out for that. And before we let you go, what's
Speaker 1: next for you beyond the Border project? You've got a
Speaker 1: book coming out, new TV show? Uh, what do you
Speaker 1: have going. Uh, you know, I always got something on
Speaker 1: my sleeve, So I'm just having some fun right now.
Speaker 1: I enjoy doing stuff like this. I'm proud of you
Speaker 1: for everything that you're doing. Eventually, you and I are
Speaker 1: going to get to work with each other on Fox.
Speaker 1: I know we will. It's been a long time coming,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'll get to do something at some point. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep doing this and speaking the truth.
Speaker 1: So wherever that leads me, who really knows. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have some fun along the way, and you and
Speaker 1: I can do that. I g live on relationship because
Speaker 1: I think we could have some fun on that. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to that. Like I tell you,
Speaker 1: I'm following you on there. We really should coordinate time
Speaker 1: to do that because I have so many stories. Sincerely, Now,
Speaker 1: what can people follow you on social media? Oh? Boy?
Speaker 1: You know? You type in T O M I Tommy
Speaker 1: larn and you'll find me Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, whenever Trump
Speaker 1: comes out with his new social media platform. Can't wait
Speaker 1: for that. You know, maybe someday a nice, simple and
Speaker 1: completely um appropriate only fans who knows I'm all over
Speaker 1: social media, you'll find me I promise, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you'll enjoy it. I have a lot of fun. Well,
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of sugar Daddy's on only fans,
Speaker 1: but you're not involved, not interested. I understand that. I
Speaker 1: say that respectfully. Don't sue me. We're all good, Okay. Well, Tommy,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining out. Out with Gianno
Speaker 1: called Well, my friend, has been a great conversation, and
Speaker 1: I can just tell from some of the things you
Speaker 1: were saying that just so much growth in your thought process,
Speaker 1: your opinions on things, and talking about having compassion for people,
Speaker 1: which I'm not saying you didn't have before. I thought
Speaker 1: you were awesome before. But it just goes a long
Speaker 1: way when someone who's such a big figure like you
Speaker 1: can have that kind of conversation because it informs other
Speaker 1: people and then they begin to think differently. So I
Speaker 1: thank you for that, Tommy. Absolutely, it was a great conversation.
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, my friends, and good luck
Speaker 1: in Florida. Thank you so much. This is out Alowed
Speaker 1: with Gianno called Well, Tommy Larring everybody, Thanks to charm
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