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Speaker 1: Tommy is a hosted Fox Nation and you can see

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Speaker 1: Tommy is also the author of the book Never Played Dead,

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Speaker 1: How the Truth Makes You Unstoppable. Today, Tommy and I

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Speaker 1: ever going to be apologetic about their views or worry

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Speaker 1: about offending somebody. They go into every room and every

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Speaker 1: situation thinking everyone in there is a liberal and I

433
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Speaker 1: know you know it because it happens all the time.

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Speaker 1: They think everyone around them as a liberal. They don't

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Speaker 1: care who they offend. But at the end of the day,

436
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Speaker 1: so many conservatives are so scared. Why are we like that?

437
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Speaker 1: We're talking with Tommy wearing more with her right after

438
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Speaker 1: the Great the culture is controlling so much today. How

439
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Speaker 1: con conservative media or conservatives gained a greater influence in

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Speaker 1: the culture. And you've done that successfully. You've been talked

441
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Speaker 1: about on the Breakfast Club. People talk about you all over.

442
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Speaker 1: You have friends that aren't all all Republicans. You have

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Speaker 1: some who are very influential Democrats, people of all celebrities,

444
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Speaker 1: all kind of folks. Uh, either they hate you, or

445
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Speaker 1: they love you, or they want to spend time with

446
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Speaker 1: you just to get to know you. Well, I found

447
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Speaker 1: two and I'm sure that you've experienced the same thing.

448
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Speaker 1: Is that people come into a conversation with me wanting

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Speaker 1: to hate me. For example, like a Trevor Noah or

450
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Speaker 1: Charlemagne or a Chelsea Handler. They want to go into

451
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Speaker 1: situations with me hating me because they don't align with

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Speaker 1: my views. But if they just spend a little bit

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Speaker 1: of time with me one on one, they hate the

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Speaker 1: fact that they actually might kind of like me, or

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Speaker 1: at least they find me tolerable as a human being,

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Speaker 1: and I find that that changes things. I mean, it

457
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Speaker 1: was about a about four years ago to this date

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Speaker 1: that I was on the View and Joy behar though

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Speaker 1: obviously she went after me and did not like me

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Speaker 1: for my beliefs, she came up to me afterwards and

461
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Speaker 1: was shocked that she enjoyed being around me, And it

462
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Speaker 1: was almost like she had this revelation that she wanted

463
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Speaker 1: to hate me so badly but she couldn't. And so

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Speaker 1: I think it's up to us too to show our

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Speaker 1: personalities more. Conservatives need to do that. We need to

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Speaker 1: do a better job of that. Where some of us

467
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Speaker 1: are really good at being on media or being on

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Speaker 1: platforms and being you know, hard asses, are being aggressive

469
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Speaker 1: and taken the fight to the left, and that's all great.

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Speaker 1: We need to continue doing that, but there's also a

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Speaker 1: part of it where we can show that we're real

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Speaker 1: human beings. We have fun just like anybody else. We

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Speaker 1: enjoy the same things that liberals enjoy. We're all people,

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Speaker 1: but conservatives have for too long been afraid to show

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Speaker 1: that side of themselves because we feel like we need

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Speaker 1: to hold ourselves into some kind of a a square

477
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Speaker 1: and we need to be so prudish. We don't need

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Speaker 1: to be that way. I think that we could build

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Speaker 1: a lot of barriers if we were just ourselves. I

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Speaker 1: think you and I do that pretty well, but I

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Speaker 1: would encourage more conservatives to do just that. But it

482
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Speaker 1: just comes with once you do it more and you

483
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Speaker 1: have difficult conversations and you stop apologizing for your beliefs,

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Speaker 1: it becomes a habit, and then it becomes known that

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Speaker 1: that's who you are and about you, and know that

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Speaker 1: people know that they're not going to change your mind

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Speaker 1: or shame you, and then the conversation seems to change

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Mm hmm. Yeah. So it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: all about getting out there and that's that's a one

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Speaker 1: of the points that you just made which really resonated

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Speaker 1: with me in terms of being yourself. And when I

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Speaker 1: joined the GOP over well over a decade ago, it

493
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Speaker 1: was the vibe that I got was if you're not

494
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Speaker 1: conservative on every issue, you can't be a real conservative,

495
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Speaker 1: you can't be a real Republican. Things changed after Trump

496
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Speaker 1: got in because if you know, he wasn't an ideologue.

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Speaker 1: He he had some views that different from the party,

498
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Speaker 1: but from a standard he was all there, and he

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Speaker 1: accomplished a lot of great things, especially from an economic standpoint,

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Speaker 1: that was excellent, one of the things we can really

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Speaker 1: really appreciate. So how would you, because you've said famously

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Speaker 1: and publicly that some of your you hold some socially

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Speaker 1: liberal views despite being a conservative, how would you describe

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Speaker 1: your political philosophy or ideology. Sure, and there are so

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Speaker 1: many conservatives that do stuck up that way, especially young

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Speaker 1: conservative women. And I've had so many that said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, I always thought I was a liberal because

508
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Speaker 1: I am either pro choice or I'm pro LGBT. So

509
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Speaker 1: I thought I was a liberal. But that's the only

510
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Speaker 1: two liberal positions that I have. Everything else, I'm conservative

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Speaker 1: on the things that quite honestly truly matter in terms

512
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Speaker 1: of the way that the country is safe and secure, taxes, economics, businesses, prosperity, education,

513
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Speaker 1: all those things they stacked up conservatively. But those two issues,

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Speaker 1: abortion and same sex marriage. They said, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm a liberal because I I'm okay with

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Speaker 1: those things. No, you're not a liberal. You are socially

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Speaker 1: more liberal on a couple of those things. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: make you a liberal. And you know, vice versa. But

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Speaker 1: the problem is for conservatives is we exclude people. Sometimes

520
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Speaker 1: we say, hey, you know, if you don't fit the

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Speaker 1: mold completely and entirely, then you're not a quote real conservative.

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Speaker 1: That's been levied against me many times because I've said

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Speaker 1: I'm pro choice and because I believe in limited government,

524
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Speaker 1: and then people also on the conservative side, which I

525
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Speaker 1: find so frustrating, is that they want to back you

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Speaker 1: into a corner and then now they want to label

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Speaker 1: me as pro abortion. Excuse me. I never said it

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Speaker 1: was pro abortion. I said I'm pro choice because I

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Speaker 1: believe in limited government. There's a big difference there. We

530
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Speaker 1: need to understand that people exist on a spectrum and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that they can't be in the club.

532
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they're not good conservatives. It means

533
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Speaker 1: we're expanding the tent. So that's something conservatives need to

534
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Speaker 1: do better with, and we need to not be afraid

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Speaker 1: to upset our conservative friends as well. There's room for

536
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Speaker 1: all of us here. We've got varying points of view,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you and I probably disagree on a

538
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Speaker 1: few things too. Were both great conservatives. I'm very hard

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Speaker 1: on prison and criminal justice reform. I'm very much a

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Speaker 1: law and order type girl, so a lot of the

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Speaker 1: first step back stuff I was very vocally against. A

542
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Speaker 1: lot of conservatives were for it. A lot of conservatives

543
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Speaker 1: were for it, but hey, and Donald Trump obviously was

544
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Speaker 1: for it. Not something that I really rode with. But

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Speaker 1: that's all right, Let's have discussion and conversation. That's what

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Speaker 1: makes us better. Yeah, I agree, we should definitely be

547
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Speaker 1: having those conversations that I remember, Uh, some of the

548
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Speaker 1: things we were tweeting and I was responding to your tweets.

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Speaker 1: I remember the criminal justice conversation, and I appreciate that. Uh. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to a point you made.

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Speaker 1: You say that you're your pro choice not pro abortion.

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Speaker 1: What does that really really mean? Well, that means, hey, listen,

553
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Speaker 1: this is a sticky issue and it's a complicated one.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that government should be used to solve

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Speaker 1: problems that government can't solve, so and this is obviously

556
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Speaker 1: a touchy such there's so many folks out there was

557
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Speaker 1: such strong opinions on this. I don't like abortion. I

558
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Speaker 1: don't believe in abortion. I don't believe that that is

559
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Speaker 1: a method of birth control. However, when the government comes

560
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Speaker 1: in and cracks down, especially a couple of years ago

561
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Speaker 1: when it was even in the case of rape or incest,

562
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Speaker 1: too far, too far. Understand that someone that's in that position,

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Speaker 1: for for the majority of people in that position that

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Speaker 1: are considering abortion, they're in the lowest place of their life.

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Speaker 1: They are struggling. And do I think that the government

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Speaker 1: coming in and saying you can't do this is going

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Speaker 1: to solve that problem for them, or is going to

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Speaker 1: make them make good choices or make them make the

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Speaker 1: right choice. No, I don't think that's government's place now.

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Speaker 1: I believe that the church, the family, the community, that's

571
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Speaker 1: when they step in and say, hey, listen, choose life.

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Speaker 1: And those are great conversations to have make people feel accepted.

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Speaker 1: But another thing that bothers me about some conservatives, and

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Speaker 1: especially some faith based conservatives, is that they judge people

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Speaker 1: being in that position, but then they judge people for

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Speaker 1: trying to get out of that position. You can't do

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Speaker 1: both either going to wrap your arms around somebody and

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Speaker 1: encourage them to choose life or you're or you're not.

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Speaker 1: But you can't shame them on both ends of the

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Speaker 1: aisle and expect expect the results that you want, so,

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Speaker 1: I just want us to have an honest, open conversation

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Speaker 1: about issues that are really difficult without having to say, oh, nope,

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Speaker 1: get out, you're not a conservative. These are difficult issues.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people struggle with those issues, and that's

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Speaker 1: a conversation that needs to be wide open and more

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Speaker 1: discussion needs to be had. It's not just pro abortion

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Speaker 1: or pro life. There's a lot of gray area there

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Speaker 1: that needs to be discussed, and you sound very passionate

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Speaker 1: about it. I'm I'm curious. Have you ever talked someone

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Speaker 1: out of having an abortion? Have you ever been in

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Speaker 1: a situation yourself? No? I haven't, But to me, it's

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Speaker 1: just the frustration of it, because I don't like when

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Speaker 1: people are judgmental of others that are in difficult positions.

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Speaker 1: And I will tell you I haven't had that personal experience.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this. I have a good friend

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Speaker 1: who is in Dallas and she is a detective. She

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Speaker 1: works on times against children. So she's told me, and

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Speaker 1: we've had this discussion many times, that she goes into

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Speaker 1: households that have dealt with incessant and nine ten year

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Speaker 1: old girls pregnant. What do you do in that situation.

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Speaker 1: When you've seen it and you've been around it, it's

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Speaker 1: a little different. The conversation becomes a little bit more fuzzy.

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Speaker 1: So I don't like judgmental. I like people that work

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Speaker 1: towards great solutions and work towards the outcomes that are

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Speaker 1: going to be best for everybody, and I believe that

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Speaker 1: that is life. But to judge somebody at their lowest

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Speaker 1: moment and say that government's going to solve the problem,

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Speaker 1: I just don't believe in that. You really sound very

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Speaker 1: passionate about this, and it's it's have you felt judged?

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Speaker 1: And obviously people have judged you. You millions of views

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Speaker 1: on this, that and the other. You're very very famous

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Speaker 1: in this space, and generally did did it hit a chord?

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Speaker 1: As you think about these issues, especially around abortion, people

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Speaker 1: being judged and being at the lowest points of their

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Speaker 1: lives at that moment, it sounds like a very emotional

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Speaker 1: experience for you, like almost like your voices cry. And

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Speaker 1: it may not be, but that's what I'm here, and

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Speaker 1: I feel the real connection to the subject matter. Well,

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Speaker 1: it is because I lost my job over it. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's a big one for me. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: went through after saying what I said on the View,

622
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Speaker 1: going through getting fired from the Blaze and having a

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Speaker 1: six month lawsuit that nearly bankrupt me. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: a touchy subject for me, but it's one where I

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Speaker 1: stood up for what I believe in. I do think

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Speaker 1: that there are some issues though, and and not just

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Speaker 1: the abortion issue, but issues that conservatives sometimes can lack

628
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Speaker 1: compassion on, and the left is very good at it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't lead with feelings. We lead with facts,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying we should change that, but there

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Speaker 1: are times when we can feel compassion for people that

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Speaker 1: are in low points, and we can understand that we

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Speaker 1: need to wrap our arms around people and that the

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Speaker 1: government is never going to be good at doing that,

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Speaker 1: which is why I believe so strongly and limited government.

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Speaker 1: But I think for me, when you asked me if

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Speaker 1: I feel judge, well, of course I feel judge. I

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Speaker 1: lost my job over it for expressing an opinion and

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Speaker 1: a view. But I've also had a lot of conservatives

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Speaker 1: come after me and use that label with me that

641
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Speaker 1: I'm not a real conservative, that I I don't belong here.

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Speaker 1: While she is pro choice, so she is not one

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Speaker 1: of us. Of course I felt judged on that issue,

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00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean

645
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Speaker 1: I'm going to stop saying it. I don't care if

646
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro calls me a bimbo every single day. He

647
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: can do that, that's fine. I'm not going to back down.

648
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I've never backed down once in my life, and I'm

649
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: not going to start today because a conservative tells me

650
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a conservative. Okay, not gonna happen, especially when

651
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: there are so many of those quote unquote conservatives who

652
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: were never Trumpers, and then Trump won and then all

653
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden they wanted us all to forget that

654
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: they were never Trumpers. Okay, not how it works. But

655
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: I didn't strip their conservative card for that reason. So

656
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: don't come after mine because I have a view that

657
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: might not align with yours. A lot of room for

658
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: a lot of conservatives in this movement. No, I really

659
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: appreciate that that response there. Thank you for sharing that. Now.

660
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: You mentioned conservatives sometimes don't wrap their their arms around

661
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: folks on particular issues, and I've seen um as an

662
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: examin a sample Canada's el ones. When it came to

663
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: George Floyd, she made more of a mention of his

664
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: criminal record than it being a tragedy. Some argued, would

665
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: you think that that would be another issue with some

666
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: of these issues of race where tragedies happen. And granted,

667
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: we recognize the fact that law enforcement is majority good.

668
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: I would argued that most of the law enforcement that

669
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: I've worked with, and I was a spokesperson for a

670
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: law enforcement organization, I support the police on very pro police.

671
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 1: I do believe there should be police reform. Is that

672
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: one of the considerations around it for you? Now, when

673
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about police reform, that's sticky for me because

674
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: you know how pro law enforcement I am, and I

675
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: think that the police do the best that they can

676
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: with the resources they have, and the goal is never

677
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: going to be to defund the police and take away

678
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: those resources because it only makes them better to have

679
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: more resources at their disposal. But I will say this

680
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: at Sea Pack. Actually, Dan Bongino was on our Fox

681
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: Nation show and he said something to me that really resonated,

682
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: and it's something that I'll take with me. He said,

683
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: whenever he does interviews or talks about law enforcement, or

684
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: he talks about being lem or some of the social

685
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: justice issues in our country, especially over this past summer.

686
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: He said that even though he's incredibly pro law enforcement,

687
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: the way that he approaches these issues with people who

688
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: disagree with him on that issue is he says, I

689
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that you've had different experiences than I've had.

690
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Now that was something that kind of hit me because

691
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, it's okay to say that.

692
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: It's okay for me to be very pro law enforcement,

693
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: and I am probably one of the most pro law

694
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: enforcement people you'll ever speak to, but it's okay for

695
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: me to understand that my experiences are not going to

696
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: be the same as yours, and your experiences are going

697
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: to be the same as mine. So we should always

698
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: try to come from a place of at least understanding

699
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: where someone is coming from, even if we don't agree

700
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: with it, and then go to battle, go to war,

701
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: talk about the policies, talk about the the issues all

702
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: day long and disagree, but we can take a moment

703
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: to come from a place of understanding and not automatically

704
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: think that the other person is wrong, but maybe just

705
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: the other person has different experiences. That's something that quite honestly,

706
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I need to get better at, and I'm learning how

707
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: to do that, And I think it's making me better

708
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: as a political commentator and as a person, and I'm

709
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: going to continue to do that. Wow. That Yeah, that

710
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: was a great response to I mean, thank you, thank

711
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: you for that. Now, what what did you think of

712
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: the George Floyd's situation? Generally, Hey, listen, Obviously, anybody that

713
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: watched that knows that it was a tragedy. I don't

714
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: think anybody could watch that video and not feel just

715
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: absolutely gut wrenched by it. Now, obviously horrible tragedy. What

716
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: happened afterwards, and people using his name and using the

717
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: experience to destroy this country, to destroy one another, to

718
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: destroy businesses, to create such a racial divide in this

719
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: country like we haven't seen since we had segregation and slavery.

720
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: That to me was also incredibly sickening. But another thing

721
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: that bothers me is this BLM movement. It started out

722
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: as Black Lives Matter. Hey, understand, our communities are hurting.

723
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: I can I can get on board with that, we

724
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: can have that discussion. But once you start moving to

725
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: defund the police, all cops are bastards. Fry am like

726
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: bacon looting, burning and feeling justified in that and using

727
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 1: George Floyd and other people as your banner. I can't

728
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: get on board with that. And I also can't get

729
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: on board with companies who put BLM over everything, knowing

730
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: that their agenda is to destroy the nuclear family. They

731
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: have Marxist roots, and they wanted to fund the police.

732
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Speaker 1: So that's where I take a lot of issue with

733
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: what happened afterwards. But it's okay to say what happened

734
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: to George Floyd was completely and totally wrong. It's okay

735
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: to have those discussions, even as someone that's pro law enforcement.

736
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: There are so many people in law enforcement they were

737
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: gut wrenched by that, if not everybody in law enforcement

738
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: that was gut wrenched by that. But what happened afterwards inexcusable,

739
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: and I don't disagree, not one bit, absolutely inexcusable. And

740
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: a lot of these people who went into their own

741
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: neighborhood and destroy them, leading to billions of dollars of

742
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: losses during a pandemic made matters and worse. So you

743
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: can't say that you're marginalized um and creating more of

744
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: a destitute situation for yourself. So that that is a

745
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: strong point of view there. Now do you think in

746
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: a situation like that, police reform would be necessities, maybe

747
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: additional police training, say something like that wouldn't happen again.

748
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's really easy to look back at it

749
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we need police reform. What really concerns me, though,

750
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: is nationalizing that, which is something I think the Democrats

751
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: really want. They want a set of rules and regulations

752
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: as at at a national level. Every community is different,

753
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: every police department is different. I think we need more

754
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: community outreach. I think we need more officers who are

755
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: willing to go into those communities, to go into schools,

756
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: to build those bonds and build those relationships and break

757
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: down some of that mistrust that has been there for generations.

758
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I think that that would go a long way, probably

759
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: a lot further than actual police reform. But I also

760
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: look at what happened in California with some of their

761
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: police reform and speaking to so many offers as officers

762
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: that say, hey, listen, we're in these positions where we're

763
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: going to these communities and we're trying to protect and

764
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: serve oftentimes minority communities or communities of color, but we

765
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: are so dang terrified to make a wrong move, to

766
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: do anything, that we're either going to put ourselves in

767
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: the line of danger and death and not come home

768
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: to our families at night, or we're gonna sit back

769
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do nothing, and we're gonna leave these

770
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: communities defenseless because we're so afraid to act. And that's

771
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: what a lot of California policies have done to their

772
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: police force there. So that is what really concerns me

773
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: when we start talking about police reform, is that we're

774
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: going to get to the level of California where officers

775
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: are like, hey, listen, I can't win here. I want

776
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: to go into these communities, I want to protect and

777
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: I want to serve, and I want to go home

778
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: into my family at night. But these policies have made

779
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: it so that I'm unable to do that. And what

780
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: happens when they start feeling that way, You're gonna lose

781
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: the good officers. You're gonna lose the good officers that

782
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: are out there to protect and serve, and what you're

783
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna get is you're going to get the bad apples.

784
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: So that's what truly concerns me when we talk about

785
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: police reform and some of the policies that are that

786
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: are put forth. If we're gonna use the California model,

787
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: I'm uninterested. Yeah, I mean it's in it's more than California.

788
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: So I think that there should be some form of

789
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: police reform trainings that the Senator Tim Scott method, if

790
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: you will. But at the same time, Illinois, I think

791
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: it's another example they just passed a police reform whereas

792
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: you can anonymously call in on the officer, make an

793
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: accusation unverified, and they can literally be dismissed from their job.

794
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Is really insane. And that right there is where you

795
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: lose a lot of good officers is perhaps think, hey,

796
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for fifteen twenty years, i might

797
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: as well retire. I'm not gonna deal with this BS.

798
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: And I would agree with that assessment. So common sense

799
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: reformed for me, and I understand your your your point

800
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: of view. Now, if I can switch gears right before

801
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: we get to the border, because I want to talk

802
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: about your trip to the border here soon, but if

803
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: I can get you to just let your hair down,

804
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Tommy laren Um after dark, if you will. Uh So

805
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: last year you had this this video they weren't really

806
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: really viral where you were talking about men and everyone

807
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: picked it up. I was gonna call you before we

808
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: had this conversation, just to make sure we could talk

809
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: about it, like, hey, do you mind if I mentioned that?

810
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: But it was so good and honestly, as an individual

811
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: who's been talking about relationships, I had dr drew on

812
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: here talking about relationships. There's a guy by the name

813
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: m Kenny, said Kevin Samuels that I want to bring

814
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: on to talk about relationships. But you have a very

815
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: interesting point of view, and would you mind sharing some

816
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: of the points you made that went viral because I

817
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: thought a lot of them were credible points. And as

818
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: a man who um, I want to get married very soon,

819
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: if you will, as a man who's in that particular space,

820
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: what should men be looking out for? What? What are

821
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: women who are these great positions and that great women?

822
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: What should guys be looking out for and what should

823
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: they be doing to get those particular women? Sure, and

824
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: I won't say that women are are blameless in this either,

825
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: because women have changed a lot too, but millennials and

826
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: then even worse the generation after us, just the way

827
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: that the interactions are, the the surface level level, the shallow,

828
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: the leaving somebody of value because you want to post

829
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: somebody on your Instagram that might look a certain way.

830
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: It seems like we're completely losing sight of valuing value,

831
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Speaker 1: which is one of the points in my video my

832
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: p s A to Boyish men, is that it does

833
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: seem like everybody is living for the Graham. Everybody's living

834
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: to be validated by how attractive the person that they're

835
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: they're with is or what status they have, and people

836
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: are not going underneath the hood and figuring out the

837
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: character of somebody, the beliefs, the value, the tenacity of

838
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: the determination. And it's a problem and we're seeing it

839
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: more and more now and the number of young women.

840
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm only twenty eight years old, but

841
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: right now what I'm seeing among my friends and their

842
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: younger sisters is twenty one year old girls who are

843
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: dating fifty something year old men. And these fifties something

844
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: year old men they're not longer interested in even a

845
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: twenty five year old. They want a twenty one year old.

846
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: Why do they have anything in common with a twenty

847
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: one year old. I'm gonna go ahead and say probably not.

848
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: But the problem is is that these twenty one year

849
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: old girls. They want to have things, they want to have,

850
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: the luxury, they want to have, you know, the money.

851
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: And these men want to have a hot girl on

852
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: their arm all what all for other people? Also that

853
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: other people can validate and verify them. And I think

854
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: that's a big problem, not only with men, but with

855
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: women right now. I also think another problem, and I

856
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: always call it, you know, excuse my language, but the

857
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: pacification of American men. It's a problem. Men do not

858
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: know how to interact anymore from a position of from

859
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: of strength. And I'm not saying that we need the

860
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: so called toxic masculinity, but men are terrified to go

861
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: and actually approach a woman in real life and speak

862
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 1: to her like a human being. They would rather hide

863
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: in a d M or be a pen pal and

864
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: not actually interact with people. It's astonishing to me how

865
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: many men are just terrified of having a conversation and

866
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: they'd really like to keep everything on the surface. And

867
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: I think it's just comes from a deepenseea purity and

868
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: men just really aren't men anymore. And I'm sure that

869
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: there are some, but from my experience, boy, it's hard

870
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: out there. If you're a woman with goals and you're

871
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: a woman who knows herself and is confident, you're gonna

872
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: come off as intimidating. And it's not something that men want.

873
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: They want the easy route. They don't want to have

874
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: to work at it. They want the twenty one year

875
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: old to just wants the lip filler and the Instagram

876
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: photo and uh, that's about it. Unfortunately, so the sugar

877
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: diddy culture has exploded and they're getting a twenty one

878
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: years old one year old women fifty. Yeah, and there

879
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: are so many young girls who seem to want that.

880
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean girls that that don't have daddy issues that

881
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, you typically think about a girl that's gonna

882
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: go for an older man or want to be taken

883
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: care of. It is like, oh, I bet she's got

884
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: some issues or or something. No, no, no no, these are

885
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: just average girls that are brought up in great families

886
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: that are otherwise have everything going for them. But it's

887
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: the Graham, I'm telling you, it's the Instagram, it's the TikTok.

888
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: They want to have the labels, they want to be

889
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: in on a fancy vacation. Maybe it's reality TV creeping

890
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: in there too. I don't know what it is, but boy,

891
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: we need to not only educate our our young men,

892
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: but educate our young women on what value is. I'm

893
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: afraid we're losing as a culture in a fast and

894
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: rapid rate. And let me tell you, as someone who

895
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: lived in l A, I completely agree with you on that.

896
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you though a lot of women where

897
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: it used to be when we were growing up during

898
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: those years, it was all about securing yourself. You wanted

899
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: to look appropriate, you wanted to make sure you you

900
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: didn't sleep with a guy the first time you meet him.

901
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: And I hate to mention that, but a lot of

902
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: times it happens. And then some women, though, they especially

903
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: in l A and those kind of environments, they're expecting

904
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: things if you want to get to know them, uh,

905
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: and not necessarily that I've had the experience, because I

906
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: don't go for that. But they're looking for guys that

907
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: are gonna cash them out. They want the fine dates,

908
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: they want Tiffany bracelets, they want Birking bags, they want

909
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: Christian lubes, they want the whole deal. Otherwise you're not

910
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: getting to know of them. That's where a lot of

911
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: education is necessities at this point. Would you agree, especially

912
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: you haven't lived in l A. You've seen it firsthand,

913
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I would like to say that it's

914
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: just l A. And I actually mentioned that in my

915
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: video because you know, folks often say, like, maybe it's

916
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: just the city that you live, and it's like that,

917
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks it's their city. That's like that. Everyone

918
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: thinks it's l A, or it's Miami, or it's Dallas,

919
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: or it's Nashville, or it's where you live. I can

920
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: tell you I've lived a lot of places and it's

921
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: a problem everywhere. And I think it just goes back

922
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: to that valuing value and in your right, there are

923
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: women are not blameless in this. There are a lot

924
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: of women that think that they are owed something. And

925
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: it is the instagram of the whole thing. It's probably

926
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: a lot to do with culture and in reality TV

927
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: and what people think a relationship looks like because of

928
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: what they see on TV or what they see on Instagram,

929
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: and they think that that's fulfilling. Um at the end

930
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: of the day, you and I know it's not. But

931
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: I worry also. I hate to always blame the parents,

932
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: but you kind of have to a little bit in

933
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: certain circumstances because I think if you have a good family,

934
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: and you have that tight knit family that spends time together,

935
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: that talks about values, or that has family values. I

936
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: think that translates into relationship values, and unfortunately that's deteriorating.

937
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, how many families do you see at dinner

938
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: or how many moms do you see pushing strollers that

939
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: are on their Instagram or on their TikTok, not paying

940
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: an ounce of attention to their kid, not really coming

941
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 1: together as a family. You know, you see people on

942
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: on dates, married couples, both on their phones. This is

943
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: a big problem. But I think it goes back to

944
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: family values and we need to restore those as well

945
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: before we even start getting into relationship values. Yeah, and

946
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a tough one. How do we restore

947
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: family family values is a whole another conversation, and I

948
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: think that's tough. People who are listening to this podcast

949
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: right now, they may be older, they may not be

950
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: all young folks, uh, And I think a lot of

951
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: folks don't understand the pressures that come with dating these days.

952
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: It is a totally different ball game. It's a new

953
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: language generation Z is on one, if you will, and

954
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: the standards have changed and what I've realized is even

955
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: when you treat a woman, I've had experiences with the

956
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: utmost respect and dignity and you don't do anything wrong.

957
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: Still and all some of those women could be uh

958
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: more interested in the glitz and the glamor of the

959
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: basketball player or you know, the guy who just has

960
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: the fast money who's willing to spend it however you can.

961
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: And that's that's what's really disappointing to me at this

962
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: particular time. I wish men and women have have these

963
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: conversations because I think women are oftentimes have the some

964
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: of the same concerns. I mean, just as you're saying

965
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: that you're you don't like women who are interested in

966
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: the stuff, in the materialistic things, then there are so

967
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: many women that are like, hey, listen, I'm a good woman,

968
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: but all this guy wants is the twenty one year old.

969
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: So I think there's got to be a place for

970
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: people that are serious to find each other and have

971
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: the conversations because there's I think there's a big lack

972
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: of communication too, and everyone thinks that they need to

973
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: put up a facade. You know, men think that they

974
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: have to be something, and women think they have to

975
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: be something, and if everyone would just be themselves, we'd

976
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: probably be a lot better off. But people are so

977
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: afraid to be that anymore. And it goes back to

978
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: confidence too. I think for me, you know, I stop

979
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: worrying about what people thought about me ten years ago.

980
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore. So I'm gonna be me. And

981
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: if people find that intimidating or they want something else,

982
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like, go find it. Because I found that

983
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: confidence in myself and I think that that confidence attracts

984
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the right people. So I think confidence is another big thing.

985
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: We need to be teaching more of true confidence, not

986
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: Instagram validation and likes, but true confidence. If you take

987
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: all that away. Yeah, I agree, we should do Instagram

988
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: live on that. I'm following you on I g but

989
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: do it absolutely. I would love to actually do that.

990
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: I'll text you on that. Now, let me ask you

991
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: about your trip to the border. You've got an exciting

992
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: trip to the border. And when I say exciting, you're

993
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: gonna be able to show Americans what's really going on,

994
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: not what the Biden administration is lying about. What should

995
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: we expect to see? This is gonna be a Fox

996
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: Nation special. I imagine, Yes, it is, and I'm so glad, Joanna,

997
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: only you and I could go from talking about sugar

998
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: daddies talking about the border. So I really love that

999
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: transition there. But yeah, next week. I've done several border trips.

1000
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: I've been to really all corners of it on several

1001
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: official trips during the Trump administration, where Customs and Border

1002
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: Protection was more than happy to have me down there

1003
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: and see what was going on, even when it was

1004
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: really bad and the caravans were coming through. But as

1005
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: it's been talked about a lot in the media, finally

1006
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: there has been Even if it's not an official gag order,

1007
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: it is an implied gag order. I would never be

1008
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: able to go down with board patrol and have an

1009
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: official visit like I did during the Trump administration because

1010
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: this administration is just not going to allow it, especially

1011
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: for someone like me. But luckily there are ways to

1012
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: go around that. For me. Um, I want to talk.

1013
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: If I can't talk to border patrol, I'm going to

1014
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: talk to the ranchers, the landowners, the people that are

1015
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: living in these towns that are being invaded and flooded

1016
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: with illegal immigrants. I want to go talk to them

1017
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: because they're seeing this stuff. Firsthand, I'm going to talk

1018
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: to a rancher in Arizona, in a small town and

1019
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 1: Zona next week, who's seeing people, I mean going through

1020
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: his yard, in his barn, just absolutely with no regard

1021
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: for his property and they're coming in by the thousands. Now,

1022
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: just imagine that as a landowner and then also feeling

1023
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: like you're kind of defenseless. I mean, what do you

1024
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: really do? You've got thousands of people coming under your property.

1025
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: You're trying to run a ranch, you're trying to be

1026
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: a property owner, and you're having to deal with this

1027
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: because of this Biden administration cattle call that he issued

1028
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: and open borders agenda that he is pushing. So I'm

1029
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: gonna go down and get the real story and I'm

1030
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna bring it back and show everybody on Fox Nation.

1031
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: And Uh, I think people are going to be really

1032
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: surprised to see what's really going on, not these official

1033
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: congressional visits, but what's really going on. Yeah, we look

1034
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: forward to seeing that certainly, So we'll keep our eyes

1035
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: out for that. And before we let you go, what's

1036
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: next for you beyond the Border project? You've got a

1037
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: book coming out, new TV show? Uh, what do you

1038
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: have going. Uh, you know, I always got something on

1039
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: my sleeve, So I'm just having some fun right now.

1040
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: I enjoy doing stuff like this. I'm proud of you

1041
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: for everything that you're doing. Eventually, you and I are

1042
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: going to get to work with each other on Fox.

1043
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: I know we will. It's been a long time coming,

1044
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: but you know, I'll get to do something at some point. Hey,

1045
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep doing this and speaking the truth.

1046
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: So wherever that leads me, who really knows. But I'm

1047
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna have some fun along the way, and you and

1048
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: I can do that. I g live on relationship because

1049
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: I think we could have some fun on that. I know.

1050
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to that. Like I tell you,

1051
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm following you on there. We really should coordinate time

1052
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: to do that because I have so many stories. Sincerely, Now,

1053
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: what can people follow you on social media? Oh? Boy?

1054
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: You know? You type in T O M I Tommy

1055
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: larn and you'll find me Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, whenever Trump

1056
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: comes out with his new social media platform. Can't wait

1057
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: for that. You know, maybe someday a nice, simple and

1058
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: completely um appropriate only fans who knows I'm all over

1059
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: social media, you'll find me I promise, yeah, I think

1060
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: you'll enjoy it. I have a lot of fun. Well,

1061
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of sugar Daddy's on only fans,

1062
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: but you're not involved, not interested. I understand that. I

1063
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: say that respectfully. Don't sue me. We're all good, Okay. Well, Tommy,

1064
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining out. Out with Gianno

1065
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: called Well, my friend, has been a great conversation, and

1066
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: I can just tell from some of the things you

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Speaker 1: were saying that just so much growth in your thought process,

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Speaker 1: your opinions on things, and talking about having compassion for people,

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Speaker 1: which I'm not saying you didn't have before. I thought

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Speaker 1: thank you for that, Tommy. Absolutely, it was a great conversation.

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