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Speaker 1: You are tuned to live covery jumped out twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: twee NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I

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Speaker 1: am Dale LOLLI. He is Matt Williamson and this is

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Speaker 1: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And uh well we're

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Speaker 1: back for hour two here of our ongoing coverage right

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Speaker 1: closing out the day here that west Ueler here, to

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Speaker 1: my rights, started the day off today at ninety yea

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Speaker 1: later after our stop at Giordano's last night to uh

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Speaker 1: in just massive amounts of pizza, Deep dish pizza, Deep

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Speaker 1: dish pizza. Somebody needs to open one of those in

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh in my neighborhood. Yeah yeah, well, all that money

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Speaker 1: you're making, you should open yourself and rolling in it.

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Speaker 1: So free time too, just to run a restaurant. We

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Speaker 1: can do drive from there though every night. Yeah see,

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Speaker 1: if we can get up the eight hundred pounds, there'll

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Speaker 1: be happening real quick, real quick. But there are lots

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Speaker 1: they just aren't Chicago deep dishes. That's a treat, that's

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Speaker 1: something we do here every year. We have a couple

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Speaker 1: pizza and you know, amongst others we can't mention on

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Speaker 1: the air, but Matt things really you know, we're Thursday here, Um,

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Speaker 1: we're finally kicking in though. Yeah, as we speak, Dutt,

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Speaker 1: this has been like drills started earlier than this last year, right,

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think drills Wednesday night. That's where

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Speaker 1: we got confused. That's why I'm confused about the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't think it took us four days before

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Speaker 1: we actually saw athletics stuff or heights and weights. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're sitting here going over the same

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Speaker 1: releasing some heights and weights now and the weeks more

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Speaker 1: than halfway over. Yeah, you know, but that's why it works.

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Speaker 1: It works out for me too, though, being home to

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Speaker 1: watch a lot of the NFL network stuff, you know,

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Speaker 1: and not being on the air and all that, and

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Speaker 1: you know, there's only so many hours in a day.

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Speaker 1: But I can't wait to watch drill stuff absolutely. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, I've watched football drills year round,

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Speaker 1: But when you haven't seen one for a while, you know,

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Speaker 1: I always get tad to You get to go to

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Speaker 1: all the practices. Yeah, I get to go to all

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Speaker 1: the practices. It's like watching the super Bowl every day. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not quite as exciting as you as you think.

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Speaker 1: If you see one every once every ten years, they're

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Speaker 1: pretty exciting, but every day they're not. As I do,

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Speaker 1: but I do like to listen when I'm doing those things,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not just standing there watching them, but I'm

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Speaker 1: players or how they're trying to go the players into

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Speaker 1: a little more. Yeah, those kind of things. So recently

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Speaker 1: retired John Mitchell was always just go over and listen

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Speaker 1: to Mitch for about ten minutes, just like a drill

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Speaker 1: sergeant with those guys, and just you know, you get

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Speaker 1: learn all their coaching style and right why they worked

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Speaker 1: well or don't you know. So I when when Mitch retired,

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Speaker 1: Chris Hoke about his style of coaching. Okay, and this

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Speaker 1: brings me to where we come for the drafter. Mitch

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Speaker 1: believed with the with these with his lineman that you

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Speaker 1: bring him in, you break him down, and then re

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Speaker 1: teached him everything. Okay, that's similar. Because I'm a big believer.

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Speaker 1: I like what Michael Lombardi has to say a lot,

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Speaker 1: He's got another one coming out. He had a very interesting,

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Speaker 1: you know, introduction into the league. He came in driving

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Speaker 1: hand man. So he'd learned football from those three men.

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Speaker 1: So I'll listen to miche Lombardi and he always says

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Speaker 1: the best defensive line coaches are kind of the opposite

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Speaker 1: of the best offensive line coaches. Not that Mack's offensive

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Speaker 1: much more of a sort role position. However, Lovardi offense

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Speaker 1: never hear an offensive line group, no scribe like that.

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Speaker 1: How I always hear a line offensive line group. Line

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Speaker 1: That's how I hear an offensive The best offensive line

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Speaker 1: now you're re teaching, well, here's what we want, and

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Speaker 1: so that's that's not easy. This kind of correlates with

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Speaker 1: phenomenal football player. But if the rumors are true about

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Speaker 1: or he loves gaming too much and gets away with

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Speaker 1: all of his immense talent. Frankly, he's not at all unique.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that position, maybe more than any in football,

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Speaker 1: three years I did recruiting a pit if you looked

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Speaker 1: across the national rankings of D tackles, there was like

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Speaker 1: they all go to Georgia. They don't come to pitt

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Speaker 1: So what I'm going with this is those guys are

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Speaker 1: the freakiest of the freaks. They can develop so many

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Speaker 1: So the Mitch right, Yeah, So coach Mitch probably had

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Speaker 1: you know, especially because I didn't do that in college.

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Speaker 1: So that's one thing. So the Steelers have Carl Dunbar

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Speaker 1: under John Mitchell, like he works not just with a

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Speaker 1: developing what we talked about yesterday, that get off that

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Speaker 1: But because he does both, does a Leale like prospect

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Speaker 1: So I just think they'd be more interested in those

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah's post twenty twenty one mock draft, right or mcshay's

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Speaker 1: or all those way too early. He had Leale going

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Speaker 1: So it's funny we I don't know if we bring

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Speaker 1: line needs and things. He could take a nice step

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Speaker 1: you know, if I can take his snap count from

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get better Cam late in games, and that's

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Speaker 1: I mean he keeps in self in great shape and

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Speaker 1: I don't want him to hit that wall. And he

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Speaker 1: gets you to seven? Well you have four now right,

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Speaker 1: Oh no, you're right, so that would get you to six.

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Speaker 1: I would like to go into camp with seven NFL guy, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you need him. But I would think you add two

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Speaker 1: not both free agents or both draft Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: maybe one of each, one of each. Basic it's right,

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Speaker 1: bring back Ogan Joey in a second round pick or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I mean that just makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: it's all easy said, Oh, it's all easy to talk

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Speaker 1: about today. You know, it's better than I do even is.

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Speaker 1: But those two seventh round picks really don't even count,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you're not feeling a need. Here's here's so,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing about those picks. So I know seventeen

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Speaker 1: is not gonna move. Thirty two is not gonna move.

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Speaker 1: Forty nine. I'll get there. Forty nine is gonna be

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Speaker 1: forty nine. Eighty is gonna be eighty because that's in

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Speaker 1: the third round. But pick one twenty that they have

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Speaker 1: right now, when the compensatory picks come out, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: those seventh round picks are gonna be twenty spots lower

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Speaker 1: but I didn't realize there was two d tackles here

424
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 1: from there. Yeah. Gerard Clark from Coastal Carolina five three four.

425
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 1: Brian Brisse, what do four nine three? Nice? Very nice?

426
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: That's more than solid. Yeah, yeah, that's more than checks

427
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: the box. Yes, yeah, I think that's that's right around

428
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: where Cam was. I bet yeah, but again I just

429
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 1: keep Uh. So I'm gonna call Kim Haywards. Yeah, I

430
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: was curious combine stats him Hayward, combine. See what we

431
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: got here is Cam Hayward combine every guy's prospect profile. Yeah,

432
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: he's always fun to look to. You get the uh

433
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: the eleven year old picture of Cam now, yeah, and

434
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: their lines right up. Usually he's in there mild if

435
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: he was doing eleven years ago or not. Yeah, so yeah, okay,

436
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: so he measured he came in at six five to

437
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: ninety four. Okay, what ros say was about that? Six

438
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: five to ninety eight? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, um, let's

439
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: see her. They have the looks like he did not

440
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: run here, but he had a thirty inch vertical Remember

441
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: back in those days, Ohio States track was so super professional,

442
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: none of the Ohio right right, Um kind of forgot

443
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah. Strength Heyward is very strong with a

444
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: great frame. Yeah yeah, that that checks it off quick

445
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: off the ball delivers delivers a violent punch to jar

446
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: offensive lineman shows good hand technique to slip blocks. Yep,

447
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: okay remained. This case plays with sound, leverage and anchors

448
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: effectively in the running game. Versatile athlete who can play

449
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: multiple positions along the defensive line. Yeah. Four year starter

450
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: and very durable. Yeah. Yeah, weaknesses I remember some people

451
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: because times are different. I mean that was what twelve

452
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, the versatility thing not everyone looked at

453
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: as a strength, you know, especially if you were a

454
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: four to three was Do I really want to line

455
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: him up at the tackle time at a time or

456
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: is he athletic enough to be an edge and that

457
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: benefit the Steelers? Okay, here his combine is his Pro

458
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: Day results? Okay? Uh looking here? Uh he was two

459
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: ninety four? Is pro Day arm length? He did a

460
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: four nine two similar, almost identically, right right, very similar,

461
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: almost identical. Uh. Weaknesses. Does not have the burst to

462
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: consistently get after the quarterback or make plays from the backside.

463
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean he wasn't the twitchiest guy in the world,

464
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: right right right, plays with a narrow base at times

465
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: and can be pushed out of the play. Yeah. All

466
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: these guys have stuff to work on, and he Yeah,

467
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's right or wrong with the right up,

468
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: but he's obviously gotten better as a player since then.

469
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: Takes too long to recognize scans and draws and gets

470
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: caught up field too often. Well he's fixed that. He's

471
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: one of the best guys. Yeah, figure, you know, and

472
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: that absolutely could be a Ohio state scheme thing. A

473
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: lot of those big get up fields just say deal

474
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: with screens and draws and things like that. On the

475
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: way we get a bunch of athletes behind you, they'll

476
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: they'll run that guy down, you know. Yeah. And then

477
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: finally a bid inconsistent with his play. Okay, all right,

478
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: you're still grown. Yeah. Yeah. And then in the Steelers

479
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: got him and late in the first round. Yeah. And

480
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: an excellent draft class. Yeah, in a very one of

481
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: the all time drafts class. So if you look at

482
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: the write ups on the burssee, um, it's gonna be

483
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: they are similar. I mean, the body type is similar,

484
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: athleticism is gonna be very similar. Forty times just just

485
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: happened as similar, right, Um, you saying that all along,

486
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: But it makes perfect sense. I mean, if you want

487
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: to if you're looking for a mentor, could you ask

488
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: for one better than Hayward? Yeah, absolutely not. Hey, kids,

489
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: you gotta run to the ball constantly, that kind of stuff,

490
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, you can desire professional This is how you

491
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: get the most eye your abilities, you know, it's how

492
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: you deal with off the field stuff. That's how you

493
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: deal with the community, you know, all those. So I'm

494
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: just looking here whereas brussee here on this chart, I'm

495
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: looking up Lance's eer lines right up on him. This year.

496
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: They're not always out yet. I mean they're out, are they? Yeah?

497
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: Is every right up out? A lot of them are.

498
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: They don't have them quite the way they do usually

499
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: where they're ranking. So six five three h five we

500
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: came in at two ninety eight. Um he got they

501
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: got his four nine three one seven one ten yards

502
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: split on that. That's fine. Yeah, no, it's not the

503
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: best of ever, Herbert, it's good. Um, so that must

504
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: have just came out the strength. Broad but athletic build,

505
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: plays instinctive football and tight quarters processes, blocking schemes and

506
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: attacks with smart hands. Takes long, loose strides to defeat

507
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: reach blocks. Laterally, can withstand double teams and keep the gap.

508
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: Snug plays past the blocker with his eyes and focus.

509
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: Maintains his run fits against the move blocks moving target

510
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: as an interior rusher, stutter steps and strikes with altered

511
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: pace pocket pusher when he gets to jump weaknesses. College

512
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: production does not jump off the page. Okay, that's true.

513
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: We'll slip the block and lose the gap leverage at times. Again,

514
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: that's something you can learn to not do. Range is

515
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: a tackle maker's average rush approach is linear and unsophisticated,

516
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: unable to flip his hips and get skinny around the edge.

517
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: Well you're not going to play on the edge all that, right,

518
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: but they line him up there, so yeah, it's worth noting.

519
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: And then suffered an acl tare September twenty twenty one,

520
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery in January January of twenty twenty two. So

521
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: there's two things in that scouting report and last is

522
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: a great job that don't that are one was a

523
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: negative one as a positive was one is he's excellent

524
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: at looking past the blocker into the backfield. What they

525
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: mean by that is, Okay, I'm engaged with this TJ.

526
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: TJ is really good at that. Cam's great act like

527
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: it's a Steeler trade. For sure. You're you're watching your

528
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: blocker with You're you're not staring at the blocker like

529
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: locked in on him. You're watching what's going on behind

530
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: the blocker. I have this three hundred thirty pound nasty

531
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: human being that's unbelievably powerful, trying to put me on

532
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: my back. But I'm still looking at the quarterback in

533
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: the backfield action. I still know where where the ball

534
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: is going. I'm still hand fighting him and I'm doing

535
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: this too, like that's hard to do. But then the

536
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: weakness was occasionally gets slipped by the blocker well, because

537
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: it's hard to do both, you know, I mean, and

538
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: you'll get better at it, of course, but it'll be

539
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: against better people, of course. Yeah, you know, so interesting

540
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: one knock I've heard on Berset as a player, which

541
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: I think is valid, is and I guess probably the

542
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: same was true at Cam at that age was Yes,

543
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: he's versatile. I can line him up at a five technique,

544
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: a three technique, a four tech. I mean everyone put

545
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: him a zero. Yeah, everything, you know, what's his best though, Yeah,

546
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, like there's a little bit of jack of

547
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: all trades, master of none, but a lot of it

548
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: also is late of his career, he was injured and

549
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: dealing without the field. The other thing that does a

550
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: lot of matt and is this is this something that's

551
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: bad for him or good for him? They run a

552
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: lot of games up front, right and He's going to

553
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: often be the first guy in and then Murphy comes

554
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: right around the end, exactly because I'm just freaking up

555
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: the app. But that's gonna hurt the production big time. Yeah,

556
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: but like Cam's awesome atic, Cam's great at it. Yeah right,

557
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go in and cause a mess. I'm

558
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: gonna trying to car us a three times. I'm causing

559
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: the pile up and allowing the tow truck driver to

560
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: come in around and get Lamborghini come in right, all right,

561
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So no, I mean it all fits, it

562
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 1: all fits. I hope the medicals don't hurt them. Yeah. So,

563
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: um yeah, that that's interesting as we continue to get

564
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: these tenns because some more here. What else we got Breece,

565
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: We got Keanu Benton five one, three. That's a good

566
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: time for him. Yeah, that's a good time for him. Um.

567
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: I think he's a round two player. Yeah, yeah, might

568
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: be there for the third Steeler pick. I'm not taking

569
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: him at thirty two, I don't think though. Yeah, these

570
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: are just invites here. After that, let's see if we

571
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: have to freshness page. Um so that this Twitter account

572
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: isn't doing heights and weights, they're just giving us time.

573
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: They're giving us what's happening right now on the field.

574
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: That's what we want. Oh we got. Coburn's second run

575
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: was five to seven after he did a five two six,

576
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: So he's consistent. They're pretty consistent there. Gerard Clark five

577
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: three zero with the second one. I know people like him.

578
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: I need to do more homework on him. Yeah, there's

579
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: some good, uh good prospects out there for him. It

580
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: looks like what's going on here with that? Huh Yeah.

581
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: But I didn't turn us off here, did I come on?

582
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: It's pro day? Then I would be happy with that.

583
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I think. Just don't run out your pro day. Yep. Absolutely. Uh.

584
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: Keanu Benton five one six with his second run after

585
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: five one three the first time through Cameron Benton from

586
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Cameron Benton, I should say five one eight.

587
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: Uh still was a four nine. Till you'll notice, folks,

588
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: all the people's last names are at the top of

589
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: the alphabet. Yea, because that's our position group. Dante Still

590
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: from West Virginia four to nine two West. There you go.

591
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: It's a good good time for him. His last name

592
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: about the top of the alphabet. It is not uh

593
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: Arizona State defensive lineman Nesta Jade silvera five to one

594
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Jalen Redmond four eight five. I know people are

595
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: kind of excited about him too. Heard a little bit

596
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: of mid round buzz. Yeah, Zach Pickens, we already got

597
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: that one. So yeah, so we're getting through some Pickens run. Um. Sorry,

598
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: I just really just refreshed the time. It's brutal. Uh whatever,

599
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: don't worry about Yeah, we'll find it. Pickings. Where was

600
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: he at? Where was he at? Where is he? Zach

601
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 1: Pickens four nine six, Okay, it's been under fives. Good

602
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: for him? Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, big guys that can run.

603
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: Maybe not to the level the freak show that was

604
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: there last year. No, And I wonder since I don't

605
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: know if you and I've talked about this since we've

606
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: been here, but remember the track was incredibly fast. It

607
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: was it was a new Traditionally though this has always

608
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: been a slower track. Yes, most people do better at

609
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: their pro day. And then it quickly got out with

610
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: the first group or two like, wow, this new new

611
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: turf that Indianapolis put down, you better run. Yeah, so

612
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: now it's your two of that turf? Is that still true,

613
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: or is it slower than it was a year ago.

614
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: But that's the great thing about the combine, man, is

615
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: that everybody's running on the same track, right as opposed

616
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: to going to Ohio State and running on the fast

617
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: track there and everybody goes, well, yeah, he ran a

618
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: four two six in Ohio States, So add a tenth

619
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: of a second to that. That's what That's how fast

620
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: he is. And Max mentioned it when he came out.

621
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: He said, I think I forget exactly how I said it,

622
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: but he said, I had somewhat of a hamstring in

623
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: get the combine. I decided not to run. I was

624
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: just gonna do it on my track. Yeah, great, and

625
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense. But you only have two opportunities.

626
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: And he's like, so I did run to Florida, but

627
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: it poured the night before and an outdoor track and

628
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't have projected that, you know, And I still

629
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: have to run no matter what. So if you at

630
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: least have one in the books, yeah, you could wake

631
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: up that morning your pro day and be like, I

632
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Speaker 1: feel terrible, I'm not doing it, or you're I wasn't

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Speaker 1: happy with my run here, I'm gonna give it another shot.

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Speaker 1: You're limiting your opportunities. There's only two cracks and you

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Speaker 1: threw one crack away. Yeah, so yeah, I think I

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Speaker 1: think running here should always be the case if I

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Speaker 1: was an agent. Yeah, but unless you're one of those

638
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Speaker 1: top guys and you just don't want to do it,

639
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Speaker 1: put one on the books and go from there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Joe moo uh. We did five two three with the

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Speaker 1: second one that was slower. Must Offer did five four eight.

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Speaker 1: That was a little bit slower. Can see with the

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Speaker 1: second one, four seven three. Nice after four seven eight

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Speaker 1: first happy with this day? Then? Yeah, that picks one

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Speaker 1: and in the mid four sevens. Good for him, Good

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Speaker 1: for him. That's I think he's a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: I think when it's all said and done, somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: take him here. I look at playoff teams that think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't need him for seventy snaps. I have a

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00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: pretty good d line, but I can use him for forty.

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Speaker 1: So they were winning the camp because he went to pit.

652
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: People's Aaron Donald not no, that's not fair, but at all.

653
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Speaker 1: Oliver from Buffalo, on the other hand, who was an

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Speaker 1: undersized defensive tackle who was a productive, a better pick Sack.

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Speaker 1: He was a ninth pick in the draft. Yeah. I

656
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: remember the world went crazy when he ran like a

657
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Speaker 1: four eight flat because d tackles weren't doing that. Then

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit under I mean that's a better

659
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Speaker 1: comp though. It's a better comp, yeah, because he rised

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Speaker 1: that small. These are guys that are like two eighty

661
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Speaker 1: or less. But he gives you a little something there,

662
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Speaker 1: there's some, there's some. Oh he's done good things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the Bills are. Thrilled that they

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Speaker 1: use the top ten pick on him, that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: But if you used the top if you use the

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth, yeah, twenty fifth pick in the draft, I'm

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Speaker 1: you're happy. Yeah with that. Oliver, no doubt that's that's

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Speaker 1: a good comp. Uh. Gervin Dexter second one four nine

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Speaker 1: three even better. Yeah, it's good for him. Bet he's

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Speaker 1: on the Steeler radar. It took me way too long

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Speaker 1: this week to a s starks about him as a

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Speaker 1: floorida guy. Yeah. Um, he's a perfect one to put

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Speaker 1: under Cam's wing. Yeah. DJ Dale was five three four

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Speaker 1: the second time around. Coburn five two seven. Uh, Jared

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Speaker 1: Clark five three zero the second time around, so um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: some of these guys are learning more and more about

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Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, so let's see if we get any

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Speaker 1: new ones here. Jalen Raymond, who did a four eight

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Speaker 1: five the first time, did a four eight six to

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Speaker 1: second time. Okay, who's Jalen Raymond on? He's from Oklahoma? Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Zach Pickens his second time around four to nine eight,

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Speaker 1: so he was under five both times. That's good for him, say, yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I think he's a mid round guy. So yeah, these

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Speaker 1: guys are starting to check off some of the boxes here.

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Speaker 1: We're getting a little more news around the league too.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've heard a couple of buzz, like the

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Speaker 1: Giants and Daniel Jones are super far away, the Giants

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Speaker 1: and Sequan are super close. Evan Ingram got the franchise

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Speaker 1: tag today. So there's non combine news happening right now too.

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Speaker 1: And I think there'll be more and more the next

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Speaker 1: day or two. Absolutely, absolutely, And you can hear it

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Speaker 1: all on Steelers Nation Radio, and of course you can

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Speaker 1: watch us on the Steelers YouTube channel. We're here from

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Speaker 1: two to four each day. This will be our last

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Speaker 1: one on the YouTube channel, so we're doing three shows

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Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel, because well, that's just the way

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Speaker 1: it is, what we're doing it. That's the way we're

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Speaker 1: doing it. And Gerard's got to get back to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's that's the big part of this. But uh,

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Speaker 1: you can also get all of our other programming on

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Speaker 1: demand where you listen to your favorite podcast this week.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you can watch on the Steelers YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: as well as see all the other great videos on

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Speaker 1: the YouTube channel that the Steelers put up there, including

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Speaker 1: But you can do that. That's everything's there live. This

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Speaker 1: show will be up on there tonight. Um and and

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Speaker 1: you know, you can check out the previous combines. Go

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Speaker 1: watch t J. Watts workouts, or go watch uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alex Highsmith's workouts, or go back and watch that Cam

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Speaker 1: Heyward workout goes up some of those guys that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the previous guys that have come through the program and

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Speaker 1: done this before. Always fun to watch that stuff. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and and look and see what what the guy looked

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Speaker 1: like then and what he looks like now. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: realize you're not drafting finish products here. Now he doesn't

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Speaker 1: do this, well, well he might in two years. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: that's that's just the way, that's the natural progression. There.

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Speaker 1: to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

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Speaker 1: has great throwback at combine workout highlights on current Steelers

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Speaker 1: for you to check out. That's all on the Steelers

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Speaker 1: media platforms. Check those out and that Matt. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that when we were talking with Tony Pauline Um,

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Speaker 1: everybody I talked to loves Brian Branch Oh, yeah, everybody

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Speaker 1: loves Brian Branch. I can't remember if it was on

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Speaker 1: the air or not, but you kind of subtly mentioned

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Speaker 1: it to Greg Cosll and he's like, oh, that's a

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00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: really good player. And then he kind of subtly as

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Speaker 1: he mentioned it the Tony he's like, oh, I like

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Speaker 1: Brian Branch, She's my ninth rank player. Yeah. Like the

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Speaker 1: guys that have really grind into it, no one says

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Speaker 1: anything bad about it. I think some people. I think

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Speaker 1: I think the media in general are kind of late

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00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: to the party on that, like seems that way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you would think Obama guy that's high profile, but it

747
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: also gets a little boring at Bama, like another Bama

748
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Speaker 1: defensive back, and Saban loves him and he does nothing

749
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: wrong with him, and you know, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: that he'll blow the doors off with testing like that.

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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: That's not his claim to fame. And he's forty two

752
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: inch vertical or run a four two. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't. He doesn't, right, all right, And

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00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: you do see like Tony Mention, she's like, I'm walcked

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00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: onto the Jets, And you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: potential a guy like that, and which is one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons you've been from. I think he's the double.

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00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: He's a double, right, and so many teams could use that.

759
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: Like you're like, well, we'll just settles the wrong word,

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Speaker 1: but we'll just take Brian Branch here. Yeah, the number

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Speaker 1: one position we were after didn't work out, so we'll

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Speaker 1: take him. And because we like him a lot and

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Speaker 1: he's really good. Yeah, so that's just me. Um, you know, maybe, uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll see how NFL teams feel about that. I know

765
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Speaker 1: when when when I had when I was doing the

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Speaker 1: show earlier with Jerry Duelk, he likes Jayre out of

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Speaker 1: a Penn State, which I mean they're a different level,

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Speaker 1: right right, Uh, But Jerry thinks that, you know, JayR.

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Speaker 1: Brown will be the number one safety and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, Jar No, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: it worth falling Branch safety, he's going ahead of Brown.

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind. Now this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be your your nemesis though, Breecy. Both killer Bees

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Speaker 1: are on the board. That's tough. So in that instance,

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Speaker 1: and there is another position, they're clearly you're two top,

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Speaker 1: they're two top and both are there, I probably take

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Speaker 1: the defensive lineman. I would too, just because a position scarcity,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of think a safety slot is a

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Speaker 1: bit more of a luxury than d lineman. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I if that's the case that I can get,

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Speaker 1: I have to take Sydney Brown in the second round,

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00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: third or yeah, or make safety you might already have one, Matt.

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Speaker 1: So I'm listening to Sydney Brown since I brought him

784
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Speaker 1: up from Illinois, and one of the questions to him

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Speaker 1: today was, well, a lot of people compare you Detroy

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Speaker 1: Paulamalo a little rough. Yeah, okay, so now we're gonna comparison,

787
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Speaker 1: you know, hit this guy is. I mean, that's tough. Oh,

788
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: it's brutal. I mean I always make the joke like

789
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Speaker 1: who's in your mind? You of Laurence Taylor, Jim Brown.

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00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: It's kind of so It's like the thing when people

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Speaker 1: talk about, well, I would you know, in another lifetime,

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Speaker 1: I was this, They never pick I was a peasant

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Speaker 1: in the village. It's always I was, you know, Marie

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Speaker 1: ant One in another life. Yeah, you know, whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be. Yeah, I was like I was the king

796
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: of France, right right, So good yeah, pattern your game

797
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Speaker 1: after Troy pa And actually Branch mentioned Troy and Cam

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Speaker 1: Chancellor on the podium too. I'm all four players looking

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Speaker 1: at great players, or pick it, looking at Burrow and

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Speaker 1: say I can do some of those things and pattern

801
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Speaker 1: my game after him. Sure, But for any of us

802
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Speaker 1: to say comp them to those guys, right, like like,

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Speaker 1: I'm high on myself too, but you know, if you're

804
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: not as good as Troy, then you were bossed. You know. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, that's just Brown had a great Senior

806
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Speaker 1: Bowl though. I think it fit him really well with

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. But I think he's a third, maybe the

808
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Speaker 1: late second. I think he could be a second. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and probably will test well. Yeah, he's rocked up and

810
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Speaker 1: rocked up. You can playing the slot, can playing the box,

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Speaker 1: can play deep. There's a lot of those guys are this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because that's what the college games asking him to do.

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Speaker 1: Has he been pretty proficient in the slot? Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure on that. I know he did some

815
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Speaker 1: of it at Senior Bowl, but okay, that's interesting. That

816
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: boosts his stock a little bit. Yes, I mean the

817
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: same thing with Brown. Penn State played him and you know,

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00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: some in the slot. So I mean that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what you're looking for. Branch isn't the only one, right,

820
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Speaker 1: you know, And as is the case with I just

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Speaker 1: say Branches, his ability to blitz, his ability to play

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Speaker 1: safety like a corner as Tony said, right, he said,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna lose anything. That's a great way of

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Speaker 1: putting it, you know, as opposed. But he's still a safety.

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Speaker 1: I mean's still playing the ronder blitzen or whatever, taking

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Speaker 1: on guards or you know. So I also put a

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Speaker 1: lot of stock in him being Saban's guy. Yeah, that's

828
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: a that's high, high praise from that organization, that head coach,

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Speaker 1: that guy's defensive back background. I mean, anyone can bust.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's been Oh he's got no chance of

831
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Speaker 1: bust and anyone can bust. Right, But that's just the

832
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Speaker 1: it's just a lot of trampolines to bounce back from

833
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Speaker 1: if you go down, you know what I mean. For

834
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Speaker 1: all those things, So no, I'm high on them too.

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Speaker 1: Does it mean more in the scouting world for a

836
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Speaker 1: guy to be a multi year starter at a place

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Speaker 1: like Bama as opposed to being a four year star

838
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Speaker 1: at Texas U or Texas, Texas directional. You see, I

839
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Speaker 1: think it's unfair. I'm not avoiding your question, but I

840
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: think it's unfair if you hold not being a multi

841
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: year starter, if you're at Georgia, if you're at Bama.

842
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,959
Speaker 1: I love Pitt, but I always pick on them because

843
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: they're local. God, but you should probably be more than

844
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: a one year starter at Pitt or you know, most schools.

845
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: But well, here's a better example. The when we filled

846
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: out a scouting report for the Browns, which was stolen

847
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: directly from Ozzie Newsome's Ravens Phil Savage. You know, no

848
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: one made in bones about it. The first thing you

849
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: wrote on that scouting report to your starter or two

850
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: and a half year starter or one year starter, but

851
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: was used on third downs the year before. And then

852
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: the good scouts would would explain that, ye, why why

853
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: was he one year starter at Bama? But Willie Anderson

854
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: was above him before or it was behind Lawrence Taylor, right.

855
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: I think the case with Sanders, who's at Arkansas was

856
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: an edge rusher at Bama but transferred because will Anderson

857
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: and whoever next year's first round pick were there. So

858
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: what the Arkansas and played more so explain it. There's

859
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: context involved with all those things. But to your point,

860
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: to your starter Abama, then you go, oh, this guy

861
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: should be a high pick no matter what you know,

862
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: Like to your starter Bama high pick, Yeah, because he

863
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: was there with a bunch of other five star recruits

864
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: and he was the best of those guys. So, but

865
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: then how does a guy like like a Levi Wallace

866
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: fall through the cracks? How many years it was a

867
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: walk on? Was a walk on at Alabama, was a

868
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: two year starter at Alabama. He was a two year starter,

869
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: and then doesn't get drafted. I remember he didn't test great,

870
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: but sny multi year starter at Alabama Studs School. That's

871
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: a great question, and he didn't get drafted. Hunh Yeah, yeah,

872
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: it's crazy. That is crazy. And he's gone on to

873
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: have a great career and he's overcome odds and undrafted

874
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: as a walk on. Interesting, Yeah, that's surprising because those

875
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: guys never get overlooked. Right, you're playing at Alabama, you

876
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: won a National championship, and you were a starter and

877
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: National champions Show scout didn't go in there, and he's

878
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: on the list. I mean every NFL GM's probably at

879
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: the National Championship game watching that and everyone watched the game.

880
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah on all twenty two without question of course. Right,

881
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: That's just that boggles my mind that that he somehow

882
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: was a walk on at the most prestigious at the

883
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 1: when they were winning national championships. He was a walk

884
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: on right, earned his scholarship, was a starter in a

885
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: secondary that you know, Marlon Humphrey and you know, makea Fitzpatrick.

886
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: He's starting along next to those guys, and then doesn't

887
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: get drafted. I mean, I would beta when when teams

888
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: game plan for Bama and they were like, oh, this

889
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: is a nightmare. Of course this defense. Where do we

890
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: do I guess we'll pick on Wallace. I mean was

891
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was probably a lot of the we're

892
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: not even gonna try to throw the ball because we

893
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: don't want to throw it that guy. We don't throw

894
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: it that guy. So on third and eight, let's go

895
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: his direction. But I don't recall him allowing a lot

896
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: of production or you know, be in the weak link,

897
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, by any means one national championship. Yeah, I

898
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: just I'm trying to play it away. I don't get it.

899
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, I think you look at

900
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: easy to miss on guys. You look at production and

901
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: I get the you know, his body type, but he's

902
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: got the long arms and he's done everything and you

903
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: look for in a cornerback and he doesn't play week right.

904
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good tackler on the edge, you know,

905
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: and I assume he did this Abama, but I think

906
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: he was a pretty good special teamer too. Yeah, so

907
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: he has a special team mentality running down on you know,

908
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: puns and things like that. That's a good question. It's

909
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: just baffling to me. So guys do get overlooked in

910
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: this process all the time, Yeah, which is really important

911
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: with the undrafted group, you know, if you give those

912
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 1: guys a fair shake, and some teams do more than others.

913
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers have proven to be really good

914
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: at that. Those guys you bring in are important because

915
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna get a lot of your assistant coaches time. Well.

916
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: And to my point, we were talking about this in

917
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: the first segment with Max. I was talking about this

918
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: with Max and Jerry. Because this draft is so deep

919
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: at so many positions, I think there's gonna be some

920
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: really good undrafted free agents this year. Yeah, and maybe

921
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: those two sevenths are a little more valuable than they

922
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: used to be, you know, because you know, you know,

923
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: it's a little bit deeper group. You may be able

924
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: to get a tight end that most years would be

925
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: a fifth round draft pick. That's a perfect position. And

926
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: this year he goes undrafted because again, how many teams

927
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: are gonna take tight ends in the draft? As I say,

928
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: there's thirty two teams, how many of your truly top

929
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: three or four needs are tight end? And the Steelers

930
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: probably aren't even one of them either, maybe half a

931
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: league maybe, yeah, And so some of them will get

932
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: shut out, some of them and if there's as many

933
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: prospect as our teams looking for them, that they're not

934
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: going to match up completely, right, you know, So you know,

935
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect position. The one thing I've

936
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: noticed about this draft too is there's a lot of

937
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: what used to be overaged guys too, you know, like, boy,

938
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: I like this guy. It's already twenty five, he's already

939
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: twenty five. And it's back to the BYU conversation. If

940
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: he's twenty five playing against twenty year olds, he should

941
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: be really good. And that was a knock on pick

942
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: it last year. Quarterbacks different. Yeah quarterback, I don't there

943
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't think it shortens their NFL life. Um, sure,

944
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: he was better as a twenty five year old than

945
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: a twenty four year old a pit or whatever it was.

946
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: He was twenty three, so that certainly benefited him, and

947
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: it was party probably part of his pit breakout. But

948
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: these overage guys to me, are a bit of a

949
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: red flag in that you should be better than the

950
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: nineteen year old you're playing. And I think with the

951
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: nil stuff, I think we saw a fewer underclassmen declare

952
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: this year because they could stay in school and make

953
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, make someone last night said they're that definitely

954
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: is true. Was fewer than ever so nil. All the

955
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: transfers COVID Super seniors these last two classes have been

956
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: really it's the transfer stuff has been. I mean, you know,

957
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: just talking with with with Christian Gazzalez for example, earlier today,

958
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: he was he was initially a Purdue recruited. Yeah, ended

959
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: up going to Colorado instead, then transfers after two years

960
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: of Colorado to Oregon and now he's in the draft. Yeah,

961
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, so it's a lot of chance. How do

962
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: you look at that? Not to mention who vouges for

963
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: you at the school. That's another thing, like, of course

964
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: your latest school was going to tell you, but they

965
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: knew him for a year. They didn't recruit him when

966
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: he was seven. They haven't known him since. Yeah, right,

967
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: that's strange. I mean, that's what my favorite parts of

968
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: being a pit was. I met this kid is when

969
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: he came to camp when he was sixteen. You recruit him,

970
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: he finally commits, You hug him, congratulations, His family's thrilled,

971
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: everyone's wearing pick year. You bring him here, and he

972
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: quickly realizes, we don't love you as much as I know,

973
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: all that stuff we told you before. And then three

974
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: years later, looking at him, he put on twenty pounds.

975
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: He's getting drafted. It Yeah, good for you. What a

976
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: great story, you know, but that doesn't happen anymore. It's tough. Yeah,

977
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: it's tough, and you know, I think it makes scouting

978
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: more difficult. Yeah, I think so too. You know, you know,

979
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: if you have this great end at a school and

980
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: that in the person tells you, yeah, we love me,

981
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: played great, But I've only known a kid for a year,

982
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: for eight months or right? You know, do you do

983
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: you call that guy up. Well, he was here, but

984
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: then he transferred. Why did he transfer? Yeah, I mean

985
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: what happened? Now I'm mad at him too. Yeah. Now

986
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: do you trust that you trust that information that you're

987
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: getting from that guy, because well he left us. I'm

988
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: broke up. Yeah right, I suggest that's in. I have

989
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: no clue if they would or not, but they're not

990
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna be as warm and fuzzy with him as it

991
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: was before. Yeah you think it's the same, right, love? Um,

992
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I mean, just these last two years, I'd

993
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: love to talk to a bunch of scouts and be like,

994
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: how's the world changed in these two years or proposed COVID.

995
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, you know, because it definitely has. Well,

996
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: the scouting itself has changed. Oh yeah, you know, the

997
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: COVID stuff changed scouting dramatically because you couldn't have the

998
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: personal conduct contact in terms of what you were allowed

999
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: to choose a scout. Right, I'm even talking about six

1000
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: year seniors and stuff like that too. It never existed. Yeah.

1001
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask Omar Khan about that, and it

1002
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: just completely slipped my mind when we were on the air. Uh,

1003
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: you know how that affects the draft prospects, I would think.

1004
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if if if you're looking at apples to

1005
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: apples and you've got a twenty four year old prospect

1006
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: and you're comparing him to a twenty one year old

1007
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: prospect and it's close or the same, you take the

1008
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: younger guy. You definitely take the younger guy. I mean,

1009
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: it can he'll be more valuable after his first contract,

1010
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: and he did it. He probably is more developing to do, right,

1011
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: They're still they're still more meat on the bone there. Yeah,

1012
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean the Steelers have traditionally taken those younger guys

1013
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: when you're you know, when they're when you're picking twenty down,

1014
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: you're taking guys more based on what you're projecting they're

1015
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: gonna be in three years as opposed if you're drafting

1016
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: in the top ten. Right, those guys, you know what

1017
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: they are right now. If you're a playoff team and

1018
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: you don't need him, and I can work him in slow,

1019
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: but he's going to be more valuable after contract one

1020
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: than the guy that's three years older than him, which

1021
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: is almost always the case. Yeah, you know, I mean,

1022
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: just as we investigate free agency now, there'll be a

1023
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: lot of red flags yeah, but he's already twenty eight.

1024
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: You know, thy first contracts like, okay, well maybe here's

1025
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: a two year deal on a three year deal or

1026
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: right or whatever. Right affects money, it affects that long

1027
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: term prognostication with that. That's why you know, a guy

1028
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: like James Daniels was so yeah attractive last year in

1029
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: free agent. He's still twenty four, but he's already spent

1030
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: four years in the league. And if you're from the

1031
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: players perspective, you have a chance to sign three lad tracts. Yeah,

1032
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, your rookie deal plus two good ones and

1033
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: then maybe the one year deals after that like everybody else.

1034
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: You know. So it's interesting, it's a big deal. It's

1035
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: all part of the you know, the chess game that's

1036
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: being played here, putting that puzzle together as you get

1037
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: through the draft. But Matt, that's going to do it

1038
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: for our show today and for our shows here on YouTube.

1039
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: We do appreciate if you've been watching. Yeah, yeah, we

1040
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: like this. This was fun. Maybe we'll do this again,

1041
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: who knows, we'll see where Gerards over there shaking his head,

1042
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: Jarn doesn't want to do this anymore, but hey, it's

1043
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: been fun. We've enjoyed doing this video portion of this

1044
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: as well, and of course we will be back tomorrow

1045
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. That will be our final day

1046
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: of all draft coverage here again, starting at nine am

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Speaker 1: with Wesley Yueller and taking us all the way through

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Speaker 1: to four o'clock with Matt and myself. But that's going

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Speaker 1: on the air, I am Dale Lally. We thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio.