1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Y'all remember Lauren Conlin. She was the podcaster, reporter, host 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: of pop culture and true crime. I would really love 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: to have her tonight on this particular person to talk to, 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: but we don't have her. Who we do have is 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: the contributor for Los Angeles Magazine, Lauren Conlin. Hey, honey, 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: how are you? 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: Thank you, Cheryl? That was so funny. 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Hey, congratulations, that's a nice new gig to add to 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: all your other gigs. 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. I am 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: so happy right now contributing for this very epic magazine. 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: And the magazine really is kind of shifting into crime, 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: an East Coast crime because clearly I am here in 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: New York City, so I'm covering a lot of New 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: York local cases for them. And it's great, it really is. 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: And I did get this job right after the Ditty trial, 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: and I am so thankful. I mean, the days of grinding. 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: I don't think I think I maybe missed half a 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: day at that trial, but those days were worth it. 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, you covered that case like nobody else. 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 1: I went to you before any other news or host 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: or reporter period. 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. That means so much to me, 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: and I felt like I did. I did have an edge, 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: I guess in some ways because I wasn't limited to 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: four minute hits or four minute clips. I was doing 27 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: you know, ten to twelve minute updates, which I found 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: to be really helpful to everybody because I had time 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: to really get into what happened on both sides, the 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: federal government as well as the defense, because just hearing 31 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: one side doesn't help anybody, and we do tend to 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: encounter that a lot in our fields. Sure you were 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: well aware of that, and yeah, to me, it just 34 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't It doesn't help people really truly understand what's 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: going on. It creates more confusion at the end. You know, 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: let's say with Diddy, when people are like, wait, he 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: was found not guilty of sex trafficking. Wait a minute, 38 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: you know. 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, but you were there every day, and to me, 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: that made the biggest difference. You weren't reporting from Nebraska. 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: You were in front of the courthouse, you went inside, 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: You saw his family come and go, you saw witnesses 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: come and go, you spoke to many of them. Well, that, 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: to me, here's what it says. You have a three 45 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: sixty look at this case like most people couldn't write. 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you're right, and I feel again, very fortunate 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: to have been there from jury selection all the way 48 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: up until sentencing. And it does give you more of 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: an idea of what's going on behind the scenes, and 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: it's it's tough, you know, sentence. I feel like I 51 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: don't remember the last time I was on with you, Cheryl. 52 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: Was that trial over yet or had it just finished? 53 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: I don't even remember. I know we talked about it. 54 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: Yes, I think it had just concluded. And that's why 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: tonight I'm so interested because we had made some predictions 56 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: that he was not going to stop criminal activity just 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: because he goes to prison. He's not going to stop 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: wanting special treatment. We talked about all those things, and 59 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: to me, they're coming true. And that's why I wanted 60 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: to bring you back to say, hey, we kind of 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: now understand what his life is like in prison, but 62 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: what about him what about the way he operates. I'll 63 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: give you an example, how in the world does he 64 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: have the job that he has. He's got a pretty 65 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: coveted job. Well, that to me reeks of special treatment. 66 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know enough about the prison 67 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: system to say, yeah, this guy can walk in and 68 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: he can automatically be the assistant, you know, in the 69 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: chaplain's library. I have no idea how that works. So 70 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: if that is a gig that is coveted, and you know, 71 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I would say yes, if your choice is 72 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: to clean the toilets and the showers versus yeah, you 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: know what I mean, like, yes, of course, that sounds 74 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: like a much better gig. Oh. 75 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: I certainly, growing up Catholic has its pert, I'm telling you. 76 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 1: And here's the deal to your point, you know, working 77 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: in the kitchen, cleaning a toilet, or helping out in 78 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: the chaplain's library where you can walk around freely and 79 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: chit chat with other inmates, that's the gig you won't 80 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. 81 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: Right of course. And it sounds like that, although I 82 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: did see, and I think it was on the Bureau 83 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: of Prisons website that all the inmates are generally paid 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: the same amount, which is next to nothing. It's crazy, 85 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: but but yes, that's correct. If I'm going to make 86 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: the same amount as somebody else, I would much rather 87 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: not have my head in a toilet. Yes, but yeah, 88 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: so I and you know, we didn't really talk about sentencing. 89 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: But I also I have to just say right now 90 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: that sentencing was the one of the longest days in 91 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: court that I've ever experienced. And I felt throughout the 92 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 2: entirety of the trial that Diddy had an incredible defense 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: team that you know, you get what you pay for, 94 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: and it really showed. So when sentencing came, I was 95 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: very surprised. I thought it was so sloppy. You know, 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: his team, they really just talked too much. I mean, 97 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: one of his lawyers, Nicole west Moreland, she you could 98 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: tell she really felt connected to Sean Colmes. But her 99 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: getting up there and kind of weeping about him and 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: how he changed her life, that just that for me 101 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: didn't sit well with me. I thought that was a 102 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: little bit too much over the top, and it just 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: kind of seemed to get worse and worse as the 104 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: day went on. So I was surprised, very surprised to 105 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: see how that day played out. 106 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people were shocked that 107 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: he was convince did for only two counts of transportation 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: to engage in prostitution. 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of people were shocked. Again, if you 110 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: had sat through the trial, you would definitely see why 111 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: he was not convicted. There was just very conflicting evidence. 112 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: Even though you know, one could argue that because doctor 113 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: don Hughes was not allowed to say certain things like 114 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: coercive control, and if she were allowed to say that, 115 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: things would have been a lot different, you could see 116 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: why the jury didn't convict him on that. However, however, 117 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: the judge made it perfectly clear during one of the 118 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: many arguments about either dropping the charges completely against him, 119 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: the Man Act charges, saying that they're outdated, they're racist, 120 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 2: they're unconstitutional, you know, all this stuff, and then also 121 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: saying that, you know, every person that's been convicted on 122 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: a Man Act charge has served less than a year 123 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: in prison, and he should be out already. You've got 124 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: those arguments. The judge was like, Oh, well, what I'm 125 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: doing here is I am allowed per x y Z 126 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: case law. I'm allowed to take all of the violence 127 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: that the defense admitted to and that we saw during 128 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: the trial, and I'm allowed to say that because of 129 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: this violence that these women endured during these Man Act violations, 130 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure that that is counted when I, 131 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: you know, decide on a sentence. So he you know, 132 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: he took into consideration what the pre trial services said, 133 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: you know, all of that stuff, and eventually, I think 134 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: it was just the very end of the day he 135 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: kept saying. I think he said, like three times I 136 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: have to impose a severe sentence because of X y 137 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: Z and the government originally wanted eleven years. So I'm 138 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: thinking to myself, oh my gosh, is this guy going 139 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: to get more than eleven years? I swear Cheryl he 140 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: said severe sentence or I have to impose one, literally 141 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: three times. So when he said fifty months, I was like, whoa, Okay, 142 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: here we go, and Diddy, he did not even he 143 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: didn't show any emotion at that point. I think he 144 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: knew he wasn't walking out of there. When Judge SOBERMANI 145 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: and started to speak, but up until then he was crying. 146 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: He was, you know, saying, I hate myself, I'm ashamed. 147 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, at that point he knew he's gone away. 148 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: Well, I thought after the first no bond, the second 149 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: no bond, the third no bond, to me, that was 150 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: a clear message too, We're not letting you out until 151 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: this is over and the people have spoken. So, you know, 152 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: they thought he was a risk. They thought he didn't warrant, 153 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, being released until the trial was over, which 154 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: I thought was the right call. 155 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it goes back to what we do know. 156 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you can maybe ignore a lot of things, 157 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: but you cannot ignore the video of him beaten Cassie Ventura. 158 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: You can't do it. 159 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: No, of course not. And and I mean, what's more 160 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: is that that video was released in May of I 161 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: think it was. Is it twenty twenty three at that point? 162 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: Maybe it is, yeah, twenty No, twenty twenty four, I'm sorry, 163 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. And he knew what was going on, 164 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: he knew there was an investigation, he knew he was 165 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: being watched and Cheryl a month later, a month later, 166 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: he is with Jane at her house and violence erupts 167 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: and a third party is invited over and Jane has 168 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: been beaten at this point, and he apparently says to her, 169 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: you know you're going to go out there and you're 170 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: gonna s his d I don't care. And then she says, 171 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: you know, I don't really want to, and he's like, 172 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: you're not going to ruin my night, and then he 173 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: says to her, is this coercion? So that coupled with 174 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: the fact that in September, upon his arrest, he was 175 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: at a hotel and he had drugs, baby oil, astroglide, 176 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: all the things, all the ingredients for a freak off. 177 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: It really showed the FEDS that he was not taking 178 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: this seriously and he did not learn his lesson. So 179 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: that was huge for me. I was like, man, you 180 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: had a chance there, You had a chance. You could 181 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 2: have gotten released if you just weren't so cocky. 182 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about his behavior when he has opportunities. 183 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: So right now, Sean Diddy Combs is serving time in 184 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: a minimum security prison in New Jersey. He knows all 185 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: the rules. The first thing they're given is a rule book, 186 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: and then he's got people telling him he meets with 187 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: his legal team every week, doesn't he. 188 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have phone calls and I'm not sure how 189 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: often they meet in person, but definitely phone calls. 190 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Okay, but he still has not obeyed every rule. 191 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: What I want to say about that, I've gone back 192 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: and forth, you know, to his team, trying to get clarity. 193 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: I got some clarity on the alcohol allegation. What I 194 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: was told is that it was a roommate of his 195 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: or somebody close to him and it wasn't him. And 196 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: then on the phone call issue, I heard that that 197 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: was his lawyer had patched in a third party and 198 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 2: that they should have known, but they didn't know. And 199 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: so I'm not quite sure what happened. But what we 200 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: do know is that his release on the BOP website 201 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: went from May twenty eighth to something like June eighth 202 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: or something like that, basically like a yeah, he got 203 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: an added month. So something something happened. I'm just not 204 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: quite sure what it was. 205 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: And let me be really clear, he knew the rules. 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: So if his lawyer said, hey, I'm going to patch 207 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: in Joe, he should have said, no, that's against the rules. 208 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: Don't do that. Joe needs to call me back. 209 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, I mean I don't, you know, I 210 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: don't know. Like sometimes I think about this and this 211 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: is just Devil's advocate. Like I get a rule book 212 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: from my kids' school. Do I go through the whole thing? No? 213 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: But also but you know what I mean, but like 214 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: he also has nothing to do, right, Like he has 215 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 2: nothing to do. So it's like go through the rule book, bro, 216 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: like go check it out, like you know, but I 217 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: so I don't know like he clearly did something. 218 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: Okay, but let me say this. If that rule book 219 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: at your child school meant they could not go on 220 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: Christmas break, you'd read it. 221 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh god, yes, yes if you violate this 222 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: right right, right, he had. 223 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: A month at it. Don't tell me he don't know 224 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: he would be figuring that out. 225 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: Yes, totally. And that's what I'm saying, Like, clearly he 226 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 2: did something. I just can't I don't know the truth 227 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: behind it because it's going to be you know how 228 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: it is, like it's gonna be spun one way, it's 229 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: gonna be and yeah, so, but I will say that 230 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: he is clearly trying to make up for it with 231 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: the whole Thanksgiving initiative. I was going to. 232 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: Ask you about that next go right home, because here's 233 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: the thing. Listen, And I even if this is a stunt, y'all, 234 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: If this is a stunt for people to go, oh see, 235 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: he's doing great things while in prison Thanksgiving fading a 236 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: thousand inmates, I have no issue. 237 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: With that, right right. I mean, he worked with an 238 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: inmate group called Quote bank Roll Bosses, and they funded 239 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: and organized basically an upgraded feast for about a thousand 240 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: people and they just supplemented, like, you know, they added 241 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: to the prisons already. I don't want to call it 242 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: a robust menu, but I guess it is more robust 243 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: than what they normally get. And they did this basically 244 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 2: through getting other ingredients through the commissary. They are obviously 245 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: not allowed to use knives, so they used inmate ID 246 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 2: cards to try to top things up. I know, crazy, yeah, 247 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: very very creative, and he was to do that. So 248 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: through his rep he just said that he wanted, you know, 249 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: he didn't want people to be as depressed as they 250 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: would be in you know, inside a prison during the holidays. 251 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but he also said, I don't know if 252 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: you've seen some of these pictures surface of him appearing 253 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: to be very happy, happy, go lucky in prison. But 254 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: he described the prison prison life is quote a strong 255 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: brotherhood that quote feels a little bit like home in 256 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: a dark place. Interesting to me. 257 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: You know, what choice does he have but to lean 258 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: into it. I mean, he is there, he's stuck there, 259 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: and going from the lifestyle that he had to where 260 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: he is at. I can't imagine mentally what that took 261 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: to accept. I mean, you're used to not just freak golfs, 262 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: but the best of everything. You have a door to 263 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: door limousine, you have housekeepers, you have whatever food and 264 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: drink you want whenever you want it. You have people 265 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: coming around you asking what more they can do for you. 266 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: And so when you are stuck, I don't care if 267 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: it is minimum security. You know, nobody wants that. So 268 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: for him to make that adjustment, his hair is now gray, 269 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: his beard is gray. He can't do anything about that. 270 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: He can't decide what he eats every day. He can't 271 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: decide when he wakes up or goes to bed. He 272 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: is told when to go to work, when to get up, 273 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: when he can shower. That's a different world for. 274 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: Him, right right. And I think that also, I think 275 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: he was so ready to leave the MDC. I honestly 276 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: think he would have been happy, quote unquote happy anywhere. 277 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: But there. I mean, I interviewed actually an inmate that 278 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: was part of Diddy's business class that he taught. He 279 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: taught this business class every Friday at the MDC, so 280 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: one of this or this in my name in particular. 281 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: He actually also wrote a letter of support for Ditty's sentencing, 282 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: and he you know, he also told me that the 283 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: MDC is truly the worst, most dangerous jail in the country, 284 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, Like I I 285 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: can't even fathom. Share Cheryl, I have not walked into 286 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: a prison ever in my entire life, believe it or not, 287 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: and that's something I need to do because I want 288 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: to do you know, I want to do inmate interviews 289 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: one day, but I've never walked into a prison, so 290 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: for me, it's completely foreign, and it just it makes 291 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: me think, like I don't even know what he means, 292 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: like how bad it is. You know, It's just one 293 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: of those things that I can't comprehend. So I just 294 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: think that Ditty was so excited to be out of 295 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: that hellhole that he's like, yeah, I don't even care, 296 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: I'm happy here whatever. 297 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, to me, he looks healthier. So 298 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: they have said that he's in a drug rehab program. 299 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I believe that's probably true. He looks like he's lost weight, 300 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: looks like he's working out, even though he's gone gray. 301 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: To me, he almost looks better than he did a 302 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: year ago. 303 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say, like in court his pants didn't 304 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: really fit him. It was I don't know, they kind 305 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: of were like halfway down his crack, these these khakis 306 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: that he always wore. It was weird because I'm like, 307 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: you're on there, you were, you're you were on the 308 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 2: best dress list. You were you know, uh, the what 309 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: is it? The met gala? He was always at the 310 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: met Gala. And now I'm looking at his plumber crack, right, 311 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 2: and these these khaki pants that don't fit him, these 312 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: wrinkly sweaters. And I did not think he looked good 313 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: during the trial, only because he looked so exhausted. And 314 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: I can see what you mean though, now at FCI 315 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: for Dix, Yes, he looks much better. He looks way 316 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: more relaxed. He looks like he's sleeping more Cheryl he does. 317 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: So I think that was all the stress of the 318 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: trial and the ndc OH. 319 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: I would agree. I thought during the trial he looked horrible. 320 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: But I'm saying now he looks healthier than he did. 321 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: And you know, maybe he does have some folks around 322 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: him that are helping him. I mean, if he wants 323 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: to call it a brotherhood, I don't disagree with that. Again, 324 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: I think he's got very few options. You know, very 325 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: few people once they get out of prison, you know, 326 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: maintain those relationships. They rarely send commissary money, they rarely 327 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: send letters. Of course you're not supposed to associate with 328 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: known felons either, But I'm just saying most people, don't, 329 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: you know, go back and help many people. 330 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: Yes, totally, totally. 331 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: So I don't know really how much the brotherhood is 332 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: really true. But while you're inside, I would agree. 333 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's a great point. 334 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: Well, it's like a battle, buddy. It's like anybody if 335 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: they say, oh, I got really close to this woman. 336 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: We went to chemo together every Wednesday. Of course you 337 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: are because you're in the same boat. Nobody can understand 338 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: what you're going through. But the other person, just like 339 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: if somebody has triplets, they join a triplet group because what. 340 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 2: Do I know? 341 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: I had one at a time, Honey, that was a little 342 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: bit easier. So you know, to me, I get that 343 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: that they're stuck here. You know, they don't understand what 344 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: was happening. Some people were lying about me. You know, 345 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: the government just came after me. You know, I had 346 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: a target only for whatever reason. There's a lot of 347 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: things that other people feel the same way. They feel slighted, 348 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: they feel targeted. They feel like, you know, why are 349 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: they coming after me when there's quote real criminals out there. 350 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: So you know, he's got some people, I'm sure in 351 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: that audience that go, yeah, you're right. And you want 352 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: to talk about somebody teaching a business class. Can you 353 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: imagine how good that class was? Because if he can't 354 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: do nothing else, y'all, he can run an empire. 355 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: Yes, And I think, you know, for me, that was 356 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: part of I think that that was probably the most 357 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: regius part of the trio, was the racketeering. I just 358 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: had a really hard time, like I had a really 359 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: hard time getting on board with you know, his whole empire, 360 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: bad Boy Records, bad Boy Productions, you know, Sean John 361 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: this everything he created was a criminal enterprise. I was like, 362 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: what are we No? I just could not wrap my 363 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 2: head around that. Did he do some really bad things, 364 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: you know, like blackmail, like the kid Cutty stuff. I 365 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: definitely believe that that happened, although cops had a very 366 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: hard time proving it. But I just did not think 367 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: that any of that was tied to his businesses. I 368 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: just didn't. I really didn't that. I had a hard 369 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: time with. 370 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: Well, I had a hard time with once I saw 371 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: that video, not thinking, Yeah, they're going to go after 372 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: everything they can, because if they can't get him on 373 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: some of the most violent, horrible things, then they're going 374 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: to do the al Capone thing. Get him on tax evasion, 375 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: get him on something so that he doesn't just walk 376 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: away free and continue to do the things that everybody 377 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: knows he's doing. 378 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that video clearly made a difference. The judge 379 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: even said it, that video is really what got him 380 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: four years where it could have been two years. You know, 381 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: it's because it's admitted violence. Admitted violence. 382 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about other millionaires that the government's looking 383 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: at right now. What in the world is going on 384 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: with the NBA and the gambling. 385 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is so crazy. So most recently 386 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: I was in the Eastern District of New York and 387 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: I was reporting on the Chauncey billups arraignment and status 388 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: hearing where Chauncey, along with thirty one other defendants, have 389 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: been indited in this sweeping gambling indictment, which is like 390 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: gosh rigged poker games. And there's a I guess a 391 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: parallel indictment as well, and that is Terry Rosier from 392 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: the Miami Heat. I believe he is the I guess, 393 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 2: the most famous defendant on that indictment, but he has 394 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: been accused of illegal prop bets, and so I guess 395 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: these two indictments are kind of tied together because they 396 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: have some overlapping defendants on each one as well. But 397 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 2: for Chauncey Billups. They're alleging the government that Chauncey participated 398 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: in a rigged poker game by the mafia. And you know, 399 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: all the lawyers, all the mob lawyers are up there saying, 400 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: you know, there's no proof the mafia exists. Just FYI. 401 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna say it right now, the mafia. 402 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: It's alleged. Okay, guys, But yeah, so the mafia allegedly 403 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: rigged these poker games and they wanted to draw in 404 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: these high rollers so they would say, hey, Chauncey Phillips 405 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: is going to be here, so you've got to play 406 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: with him. And they're the government saying that Chauncey knew 407 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: when he played in this one particular game in twenty 408 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: nineteen in Vegas, he knew that the shuffler machine was rigged. 409 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: There was possibly maybe an X ray contraption under the table. 410 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: I'm not sure about this particular instance, but either way, 411 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: they are saying Chauncey was aware, and he took fifty 412 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 2: grand that night as sort of like a thank you 413 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: so much for your help, and his bail was set 414 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: at five million dollars, which I thought was crazy. I mean, 415 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: it's a first offense for him, but I guess it's 416 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: a big one because he's facing it's a conspiracy, a 417 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: money laundering conspiracy, and a wire fraud conspiracy. So each 418 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: of those counts are twenty twenty years each. I do believe, though, 419 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 2: that in this case, Chauncey will be the only one 420 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: to go to trial. I don't think anyone else in 421 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 2: this case is going to make it to trial. I 422 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: think that he's the only one that has enough to 423 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 2: lose here. I think the other defendants, you know, they 424 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: might not have perfect records. I think if they could 425 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: take some kind of plea to get four years or less, 426 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: they would take that. And Chauncey, you know, he's already 427 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: been quote suspended from the NBA. But if he even 428 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: tried to take a plea and said, oh yeah, I'm 429 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: guilty of these federal crimes, I mean he'll never work again. 430 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: Maybe he'd get no jail time, but his life is over. 431 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: So he somehow gets involved with the group and they say, hey, 432 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: you come play. Whether you win or lose, we're going 433 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: to give you fifty thousand dollars. You just because of 434 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: your name. You get other high rollers there that we're 435 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: gonna basically have as our victims. 436 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 2: Yes, that, and this is what's funny. I mean, my 437 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: husband thinks that we're not. I mean, listen, my husband 438 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: works in marketing guys, so don't take anything. He says, like, 439 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: you know, like literally, but he's like, well, I bet 440 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: you know, Chauncey somehow got into some kind of money 441 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: trouble or had some kind of gambling debt where maybe 442 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: he had to reach out to one of these guys 443 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, hey, we'll help you. You 444 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: just got to do this for us and you'll make money. 445 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: Because it's just weird. You know, he's worth millions upon 446 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 2: millions of dollars. His the home. He had a home 447 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: in Colorado that he put up for the bond. I mean, 448 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: he doesn't even live full time in Colorado. He just 449 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: he's got a lot of money. And so I think 450 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: many people are having trouble that he would risk it 451 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: all for fifty grand. You know, it's a lot to 452 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 2: you and I, but to him, it's like what are 453 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: you doing right? 454 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: But again to your husband's point, it wasn't just the 455 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: fifty grand. 456 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 2: Maybe not, but we don't know enough yet, like we 457 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: have no idea, Like at this very moment, I was 458 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 2: sitting there like I don't even think he ever spoke 459 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: to anyone in the quote unquote mob. I could see 460 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 2: that happening too, where someone he just gets like a 461 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 2: third already, like hey, go to this game. They'll make 462 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: sure that you're well taken care of because they need 463 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: your face. Like I'm not even sure that you know. 464 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 2: So there's so much that we don't know. And the 465 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: government said that they have over a terabyte of evidence 466 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: that they need to get over to the defense attorneys, 467 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: and that this has now designated a complex case. So 468 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: the next hearing is not going to be until March 469 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six. And you know, they kept saying 470 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: this could take years, this could take years, And you 471 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: could see all these guys and the gallery who maybe 472 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: aren't incarcerated. I think about four of them are at MDC. 473 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: But these guys, like they have location monitoring services on, 474 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: which is basically like an ankle monitor where you have 475 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: to alert pre trial services every time you leave the house. 476 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: You know, a lot of them are only allowed to 477 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: go between New York and they're one state, and they 478 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 2: have families to support, they have, you know, places to be, 479 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: and so when they're hearing this stuff, and you know, 480 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: the attorneys are like, this could take years. You could 481 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 2: see it on their face like, oh my gosh, what 482 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: have I done? What is going on? And the judge, 483 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: his name is Judge ramone Reis. He was incredible. I 484 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: feel like he is, from what I've seen so far, 485 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: a very fair judge. And he actually said, look, I'm 486 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: not looking to drag this out. I want to go 487 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: to trial by September of twenty twenty six. So I 488 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 2: thought that was very cool of him to kind of 489 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 2: say that. 490 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: You know, can you imagine going through the phone records, 491 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: the calls and text messages, the emails. I mean, these folks, 492 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: the connections that they have, the people that are in 493 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: their phone, the other famous people, the other athletes, the 494 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: other people with money. Can you imagine? No, I mean, 495 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: I mean to me, you're not gambling at this level 496 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: where you're not connected to people. 497 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: Right, of course. I just it's crazy that we live 498 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 2: in a world now that is so different from twenty 499 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: years ago. I mean, ugh, the text messages that get 500 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: people in so much trouble, or the voicemails that get people, 501 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: I mean, this is just I could go off the rails. 502 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: I mean, you think about the Politico, this is just random. 503 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: But exposing all of these these adults for being racist 504 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: and saying horrible things, It's just like, wow, this is 505 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 2: all through a text chain, like you guys actually put 506 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: this in writing. That's crazy. And then you've got Karen Reid. 507 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 2: I think both Trials we had to sit through the 508 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: cringiest days of just a couple fighting that we have 509 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: no business, you know what I mean. It's not that 510 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: it's our business to listen to this, but we have 511 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: to because this Trials is evident. 512 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: So and then you have a couple fighting, and then 513 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: you have a detective bragging among friends all through text 514 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: messages that are just horrible. 515 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: Exactly Cheryl. But I just know, if. 516 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: You're putting together a million dollar poker game, you know 517 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: you're talking to a bunch of your buddies. You're talking 518 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: about all kind of locations and dates and times and 519 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: what the buy in is and everything. I mean, you're given, 520 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: you're given the playbook. 521 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have to think that they do have 522 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: a significant amount of evidence on text messages somehow. But 523 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: I also thought the same for Diddy, though Cheryl I 524 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: thought like and not, you know, not to bring it 525 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: back to that, but you know, we were all told 526 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: through civil suits and it would be all these miners 527 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: and you know, lots of homosexual I mean, I was 528 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: just shocked when the biggest piece of evidence from the 529 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: government was Baby Oil and Cassie of course, but they 530 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 2: just they didn't have as much as I thought. So 531 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: I hope that I'm wrong in this case and thinking, well, 532 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: you know, we'll see. I don't know, because you would think, yeah, 533 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: you've got to tell these guys what's on the table 534 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: for them somehow. 535 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: There's one big difference. Diddy did not do a lot 536 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: of his own setup. He had people do that for him. 537 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: He didn't go get the baby old you know what 538 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 539 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: That's true, true, Yeah, absolutely Here. 540 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: I think these ballplayers, they've got their own phone in 541 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: their hand and their text and friends, they're texting teammates, 542 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: people on other teams. They're setting it up themselves, is 543 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: what I think is happening. Like you think about how 544 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: many text messages we had to go through for me 545 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: and you and Barbara Butcher to have dinner. And that 546 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: was something the three of us wanted to do in 547 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: one weekend, but that took weeks of texting back and 548 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: forth to make that one evening happen. Can you imagine 549 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: if everybody's got to have one hundred thousand dollars buy in, 550 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 1: and we have to have a room, and we have 551 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: to have a bar, and we have to have a dealer, 552 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: and we have to have all of this. That's a 553 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: lot of planet. And I think that they've probably got 554 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: a whole lot of information. 555 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: You are you were right, you are so right. I'm 556 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: laughing about that. And they also said, you know, they've 557 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: got surveillance video as well. So I'm thinking that we 558 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 2: might see, we might see enough text messages that can 559 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: point us to a direction that I'll say, I think 560 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: I know what's going to happen here, and then perhaps 561 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: the government will sort of, you know, close the loop 562 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: on that by saying okay, so you guys saw they 563 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: were planning to meet, but they didn't tell us really why, 564 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: and then we have the surveillance footage showing them meeting. 565 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: And then the next thing that happens is that, you know, 566 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: John Dover here is out two hundred and fifty thousand 567 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: dollars after the game that happened that night, after the 568 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: surveillance footage. So that's kind of what I'm thinking is 569 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: going to happen with some of that evidence. 570 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to see it because I think 571 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: it's one of those less connects, some dots, and then 572 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: there's going to be more dots, and here's the reality. 573 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: The first one that gets the deal, that's the one 574 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: you need to watch because he's going to tell it all. 575 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: I think a bunch of the alleged mafia guys are 576 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: already working out deals. I think Damon Jones, the former 577 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: NBA player, is definitely working out a deal. I mean 578 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: they basically said it in his during his arraignment. The 579 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 2: judge kind of preemptively was like, oh, and mister Jones, 580 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: we understand you might be in the beginning stages of 581 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: negotiation with the government. And I was like, ooh, oh, 582 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: my goodness. So yeah, I think that, Yeah, definitely, there's 583 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: gonna And that's. 584 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: When you know it's too late to throw your phone 585 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: in the ocean. 586 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: It's too night, way too late. Oh my goodness, way 587 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: too late. 588 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: Well listen, I appreciate you, miscontributor to the Los Angeles Magazine. 589 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: This has been great information. Again, congratulations on the new job. 590 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: Even though you still have all your other jobs. We 591 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: can find you all over the place. But I just 592 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: appreciate you so much. 593 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love you. I love coming on 594 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: with you any time. I love to talk to you. 595 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: I always learn so much from talking to you, Cheryl, 596 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: So thank you for having me. 597 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: Y'all. I'm going to end Zone seven the way that 598 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: I always do with a quote. There's a lot of 599 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: misinterpretation about prison. It's nothing but a positive thing. Sean 600 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: Diddy Combs. I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.