WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Immigration Works 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:03.720 Hello there, it's me Josh and for this week's s 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.480 Y s K Selex, I've chosen our classic episode How 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.680 Immigration Works, because I feel like we could all brush 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.400 up on the nuts and bolts and the reasons why 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:20.880 of immigration. Enjoy. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:29.600 House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.199 I'm Josh Clark. Seated across from me as always as 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:37.040 it should be is Charles W. Chuck Bryant. And that 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.120 makes the stuff you should know the podcast the dream 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.720 of the Legend. Yeah, the classic podcast, classic audio. Yeah, 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.480 look at us. Yeah, we were. We were called pioneers 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.640 before on iTunes. Do you remember that? Then year one 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.000 we're like the Milton Barrel of podcast and now we're 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.680 already classics. I wonner. Next year will be on the 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.200 way out if you just die already, husbands, I think 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.440 that's what it will be. Come Well, you're referring to 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.959 we were We were named the number seven podcast of 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.800 the year in the classics category. We were ahead of 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.520 or behind our Glass. Well as always, you know, I've 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.240 I've said it before and I'll say it again. I 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.920 don't feel comfortable being ahead of Ira Glass, you know, 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:18.800 I just feel like I'm walking around with the big 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.960 target on my back or something. No, no one does, 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:26.520 No one is stands alone. Yeah, so Chuck, Yes, I 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.039 wishould probably mention um while we're at the top of 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.399 the podcast. Facebook stuff you should know and on Facebook, 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.479 come join us. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, give 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.840 yourself a little Christmas treat. Yeah, and uh on Twitter, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.440 follow Josh's Twitter feed s y s K podcast. Yeah, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.160 but you run the show there for the most part. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.000 You do a good job of filling in the blanks. Buddy, rarely, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.680 but thank you, Chuck. Josh. Hey, have you ever heard 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:56.000 of the Dream Act? I have as as of uh, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.040 I mean not as of today, but today big news. Yes, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:03.920 the Upment, Relief and Education for Alien Miners Act, which 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:08.080 is basically like s CHIP for illegal immigrant kids, but 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.160 without the health care right right, Yeah, yeah, um. It 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.120 was passed in the House today by a vote of 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:17.160 to sixteen. And uh, that's kind of a big deal. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.000 It moves on to the Senate. Well, it's getting a 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.799 little hinky because the Senate may kill this thing. Oh yeah, Well, 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.359 I mean this is like breaking news, so who knows 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.400 what's going to happen. In the next hour after we record. 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.520 But that's the word on the street. Wow. But basically, this, uh, 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.000 this act provides a path to citizenship for kids who 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.800 were brought to the United States as illegal immigrants and 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.120 have grown up here. Well yeah, and who uh qualify 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.399 in certain ways, like they've been here five years, they've 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.040 attained obtained a high school diploma or a g e d. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.960 And demonstrate a good moral character, so they're not just 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.480 willya neilly handed out citizenship. And if you're a little 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.320 kid right now and you were brought to the US 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:01.000 illegally as a child, go star volunteering at homes. That 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.200 can only help your case and the nursing home people 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.440 will enjoy it as well. Well. This one guy they 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.799 mentioned in here quickly, Caesar of Vargas, is of course 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.080 they pick out like the one shining star as their example. 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.040 But he's going to graduate law school with a three 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:17.600 point eight g p A and wants to serve in 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.320 the U. S military, And potentially this is blocked. He 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.480 won't be allowed to do so, no, which is you know, 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.240 it's kind of sad. We need willing and able bodies, 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:33.200 smart guys and gals, hard workers. We do need. I mean, actually, 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.840 most of our immigration laws, as I understand from researching 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.840 this article, um, are kind of structured around the economy. Yeah, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.400 you know, like our are the order of preference for 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.160 the types of immigrants that we give visas to are 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.880 are kind of like how's your back right right? You know, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.760 feel exactly strong? Well, come on it. Yeah, Well they 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.720 did say that the Dream Act UM, the Congressional Budget 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.880 Office said it would actually cut the federal deficit by 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.840 one point four billion dollars how and increased revenues. I 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.800 would guess by adding people taxes and people to the 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.280 workforce will increase revenues. That's what they say, at least 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.120 over a decade. And that's with offering them tuition in 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:19.240 state tuition to college. Right, Yeah, yeah, that's pretty big. Okay, Chuck, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.000 let's talk immigration, shall we. Yeah? This is way more 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.760 dense than I thought it was gonna be. I knew 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.839 it was going to be sort of complicated, because becoming 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.800 a citizen is is sort of complicated, but I didn't 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.040 know there were so many ways to do that. We 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:36.160 should say spoiler alert here, naturalization isn't even in this podcast. 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.320 And it's that dense. Yeah, I wondered about that. There's 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.240 no citizenship classes, there's no nothing. The word green card 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:47.279 doesn't appear in here either. Just immigration. That is correct, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.680 my friend. Remember Happiness, one of the characters was an 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:55.680 immigration naturalization teacher. That's your favorite movie. We'll chuck. Let's 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.200 start at the beginning. Okay, Back in the seventeen seventies, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.640 there's a guy named Samuel Ellis, and he had a 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:07.280 little island in New York Harbor. Yeah, it was very important. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:11.679 In eighteen twelve, it was an important defensive position. After 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.240 the British left, we said, you know what, let's just 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:20.120 use this to immigrant people. Let's just funnel them through here, 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.480 build up a nice little building and change everybody's names. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.880 And that was Ellis Island. Yep and uh. From eight 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.320 to nineteen fifty four, dude, twelve million immigrants passed through 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:38.599 that tiny little island, and of our population in this 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.680 country can be traced back to an immigrant from Ellis Island. Yeah. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.720 And I think, without slanting anything or um leaning one 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.120 way or the other, I think it behooves all of 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.479 us while we're listening to this podcast to kind of 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.400 bear that in mind, then maybe your relatives were immigrants 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.680 at one point. Yeah, so, Chuck, let's talk immigration. How 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.440 do you Let's talk legal immigration first. Yeah. Well, we 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.320 should point out beforehand though, when he said that we 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.160 should remember bear in mind that a lot of our 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.599 ancestors were immigrants. There are nativists that believe that, like, 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.160 you shouldn't let any people into the country anymore, right, 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.800 And those aren't to be confused with Native Americans, who 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.799 are actually the ones who were here originally. Big difference. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.039 These are people who are descended from immigrants who are 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.440 saying that we shouldn't let anybody in the country. Yeah. 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.800 But I would encourage any nativists to attend a naturalization ceremony. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.120 That's all I'm gonna say. I've been to one, have 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.640 you really? Yeah? I worked on a little documentary on 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:41.400 Jane Seymour's naturalization. What Dr Quinn medicine woman. Oh, she 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.279 was naturalized. Yeah, I thought she made a documentary called naturalization. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.320 No, no no, no, she was naturalized And they hired a 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.240 camera crew to follow her around. And I worked on 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.520 that and I went to a ceremony in Los Angeles 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.880 and it was you know, it's easy to get down 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.400 in this country when you hear about dosing citizens with 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:01.080 LSD and other hinky science experiment human sperimentation and stuff. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.520 But you go to one of these things and it's 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.400 a genuine reminder. And I don't get hokey like this much, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.760 but I was misty eyed for sure. Yeah. I mean 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:14.640 an auditorium full of people at the Congress uh Congress Center, 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.520 what's it called? An l A Staples Center, the Staples Center, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.080 the Hollywood Bowl, you know, the Hollywood Bowl, Jerry Sucker's house. 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.360 But all these kids and and uh and adults just uh, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.240 you could just see it on their faces. They were 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.440 so happy to be citizens of the US and took, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.000 you know, said the allegiance and it was really really cool. Yeah, 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.400 you're like, those people know more about civics than the 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.840 average person who was born here right now, darn straight. Alright, 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.440 so let's go ahead, Jane Seymour Class act, Chuck, And 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.040 before we move on, one of Dave Letterman's top ten 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.400 signs you're in a bad fraternity. Every Saturday night is 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.120 Dr Quinn Medicine woman Night. Is that for real? That's good? 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.840 So Chuck, um, you're done. You're ready to actually talk 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.560 about legal immagant. That's my mini rant against people that 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.760 say close up shop. I like your rants. They're very 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:03.920 non offensive, thank you. Yeah. Um. There are a few 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.520 agencies that are charged with um immigration, and let's make 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.920 the distinction, chuck. Um, you've heard of immigration and immigration 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:17.160 with an irony. So immigration with an eye means that 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.400 you are going into a country. Immigrating means that you 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.400 are leaving a country or exiting with an e. That's 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.160 how I would remember. That's a good one. Um, I 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:30.160 remember it like I am nauseous to you, Chuck, because 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.480 I make you feel nauseated. That's how I keep immigrant 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.480 and immigrant. That's an interestingnemonic device. Do you like that? 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.360 So it used to be I N S. Who is 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.240 in charge of immigration? And uh, these days it's Department 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.640 of Homeland Security. Right, pretty much ever since two thousand 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:49.640 one in the Department of Homeland Security was organized after that, UM, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.679 I N. S is not. It's pretty much taken a 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.800 back seat, if they're even still around. And under the 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.000 Homeland Security is the obviously the Border Protection US cups 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.439 of Customs and Border Protection in the US Citizenship and 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.720 Immigration Service, they handle a lot of the paperwork, right, 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.200 Customs and Border Protection handles like the law enforcement aspect 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.600 of it. Yeah, right, that Congress passes the laws, right, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.120 and Congress is up to there in charge of all 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.000 immigration policy. The president can have an agenda that he 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.199 tries to push through Congress, but it's up to Congress. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.320 The one thing the president does have a direct hand 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.280 in is creating refugee policy. And we'll talk a little 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.800 bit about refugees. But I propose right here and now 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.360 that we do a podcast on refugees at some point 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.480 in time. Yeah, we'll handle immigration and we'll do refugees. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:41.080 Later agreed to layoff ue. Um, chuck. Yes, there are 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:46.000 plenty of different aliens. Yeah, there's the illegal alien if 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.720 you've heard of there's the legal alien, the most famous 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:53.120 one being sting in Englishmen in New York. Um. And 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.079 there's a lot of other words that get bonied about. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.600 I get the impression that alien is not quite um 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:04.000 acceptable once was. It's more it's just immigrant now. But 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.640 it's not an offensive word. It's actually still a very 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.280 um it's a it's a legitimate word to use. Yeah, 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.920 you have a resident alien who is your not assistant 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.880 or national, but you have the right to live and 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.719 work here. So um or nonresident alien is like if 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.040 you have a travel visa you're here for you know, 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.240 you're an Australian. You're allowed to live here for a 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:27.679 little while. You're an Australian. Let's face it. Um naturalized, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.240 not to be confused with spiritualized, but naturalized means that 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.000 you are a citizen. But you you became a citizen 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.720 after birth. You weren't a born citizen like Jane Seymour 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.920 right class act. Yes, she's married to, by the way, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:46.920 Stacy Keach's brother, Todd Keach. Or was it Stacy No, 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.400 Stacy Keach's brother Todd. No, it's not Todd. I can't remember. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.600 But that's her husband who's a filmmaker and he made 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.640 the film about her becoming a citizen. It's awesome. Well 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.600 I started bring that up. So basically they rode off 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.079 about six months of their life. Yeah, and he is 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.319 he acted for a short time. He was in vacation. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.160 Remember when the officer pulls him over for killing the dog, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.480 dragging the dog. Yeah, he that's him. That's him, James Keach. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:15.280 Really okay, full circle, Yeah, that's good stuff. Checking all right, Um, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:19.439 there is the the end all be all of before 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:24.360 being naturalized, the lawful permanent resident, which is basically like 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.800 kick back, relax, get a job, have a drink out, 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.480 do whatever you want, just just start. Just apply something 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.160 here or there. But you're allowed to live here for 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.840 the rest of your life. You're not necessarily a citizen. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.680 Don't try and vote, don't you dare try and serve 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.640 on a jury, right, right? Right? But pretty much everything 0:11:43.640 --> 0:12:14.320 else right? So how do people get here? Well, you 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.160 have to apply for a visa. That's the first step 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.400 in all of these processes, is the old visa. Yeah, 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.000 and and it depends on where you are right where 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.600 you go apply uh yeah, or or where's what your 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.720 status is? Right? Well? Sure, if you well, if you 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.640 are in a country, let's say you're Swedish and you're like, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.240 I am so sick of this minimalist furniture crap, right, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.240 I want to get to the U S. And then 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.960 no crime and then in the gorgeous scenery and the 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.320 women that are blond and tall, I want to leave 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.680 all that, right, okay? Um, and moved to Detroit. Yes, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.400 you want to move to Detroit. What you would do 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.040 is you would go to the U. S. Consulate in 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.280 Stockholm or wherever you find the closest one to you 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.079 in your country of origin and say I want to 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.160 move to Detroit. And after a few minutes of them 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.920 like thinking you're joking, finally convince them you're you're telling 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.880 the truth. They're going to start the process of applying 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.800 for a visa, right, yeah, and this has to become 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.959 a permanent resident. This isn't like a work visa or 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.320 a student visa. Those are all temporary, right, This is 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.040 if you want to stay here forever in Detroit. Uh. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.160 And you but but this visa is not. This is 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.520 a This is basically your ticket to get from your 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.920 country to a port. Yeah, not even in the United States. No, 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.280 which is confusing to me. And you're setting yourself up 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.600 for an almost immediate um let down because the consular 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.360 officer who's going to eventually interview you after you fill 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:44.280 out your application can say sorry, we we don't want 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.960 your type in Detroit. Yeah, or they could interview and 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.680 say great, and then you could have another awkward encounter 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.440 when you get to the port of entry because they 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.000 don't have to let you in either know, the the 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:58.040 the the port authority agent can be like, no, no, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.280 I don't really like the looks of you. Don't like 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.440 your mustache. I don't like that cable knit sweater. Go 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.480 back to sweeten. I hate Ikia. Yeah is that Swedish? Yes? Okay, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.520 I always I think it's Swiss for some reason. Everything 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:15.360 over there that's over here Sweetish? Okay. So, uh, let's 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.720 say you do get here to the port of entry. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.560 They will ask you a few questions when you get 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.440 to that port of entry, like where you're from, what 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.440 do you want to do here? Is anyone sponsoring you? 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.560 Do you have family here? Or that kind of thing? Right? 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.360 And um, there are different kinds of visas. I get 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.400 the impression that there's the like, wink wink, nudge, nudge, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.440 let the Swede in, he wants to go to Detroit, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.560 no criminal background, just let him in type of visa 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:43.520 down to the um, we're not entirely certain that this 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:48.000 guy is not a criminal visa so like really scrutinized him, right. Yeah. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:52.040 They give out four hundred and eighty thousand permanent resident 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:56.240 visas every year. That's for family. Yeah, yeah, if you 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.480 want to join a family member that's in the country, right, sorry, right, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.560 So you maybe you got married to an American Joe 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.680 or something like that during the war or Jane sure um, 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.800 or you're you have dual citizenship. You're because you're you 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.960 were born somewhere with two different parents, for parents from 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.400 two different countries, so you have dual citizenship. You chose 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.040 the other country. Now you want to move to the 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.520 US and your parent lives here, that's probably pretty easy, 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:29.160 especially again with the economics, if you're twenty one and unmarried, right, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.720 because you're going to come over here, probably make babies 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.120 with an American girl, so you're gonna take care of her, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.960 and you are going to get a good job, so 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.240 you're going to spend money raising your kid here and 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.720 you are going to do nothing but be an economic 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.640 driver rather than a drain. Yes. Well, put so if 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.320 you let's say you do have a family member here, Uh, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.080 you need to prove your relationship. UM. I would guess 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.720 beyond just saying I promise you it's my father, and uh, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.760 you need like you have to have an affida affidavit 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:03.240 of support UM that says that you can support this 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.040 person at a d above the poverty line, which is 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:11.640 like nineteen grand it's not much. Basically saying you're you're 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.840 not going to be a drain on the system. You'll 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.360 barely eat by if nothing else. But as long as 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.160 you can eat by, as long as you can EATU buy. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.240 Then it's got to get approved by the U s 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.680 c I S. Yes, again, the kind of the bureaucratic 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.720 arm of immigration, right right, Then the Department of State 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.680 checks to see if a visa number is available, Uh, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.560 if you might already be in the US, so you 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.160 can apply to have your status change to that that 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.720 awesome lawful permanent resident. After you get a number, or 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.040 if you're outside and you get a number, you go 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:45.960 to the US to where they tell you to go. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.040 You go to the consulate and and finish the process 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.720 there in Detroit, right and and no in in your 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.360 country still or outside. So basically the whole key to 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.400 immigration is is down the middle. Whether you're doing this 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.760 outside the country or inside the country, there's basically two 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.119 different sets of you know, it's like a choose your 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.760 own adventure book. Right, If you're inside the US, you know, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.280 turn to page thirty two, and then you know, apply 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.560 for lawful permanent resident status. If you're if you're still 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.159 in Sweden, go to page twelve and go to the consulate. 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.120 It really does get a little convoluted. And I don't 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.480 I don't think they make it hard on purpose, but 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.080 I think you just hit We should totally see o A. 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.000 This is in no way legal advice to anybody who 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.920 is listening to US in Australia or Sweden especially. Um. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.479 We're just using you as an example. If you actually 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.800 do want to immigrate to the US, we hope this 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.280 inspires you to do it lawfully and to go contract 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.199 and immigration attorney, or at least do a lot of 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.800 heavy lifting research on you know, um, Department of State, 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:55.200 the Department of Homeland, securities websites or the very least 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:59.600 by immigration for dummies, right, or I just don't guarantee 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.760 is out. Just do something in addition to listening to 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.679 this show. Yes, that's what I say. Or if you do, 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.199 just listen to this show and you you become a 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.520 lawful citizen from it, we want an email from you 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:17.440 about that. Yeah, in firmness on Facebook. Yeah that's so cheap. 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.760 Uh So where are we here? The family sponsorship? Should 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.960 we go through that? The preference? Yeah, we talked about 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.280 the preferences, right, So let's let's spell them out. Um, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.800 provided your at least twenty one parents, spouses and unmarried 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.080 children of U S citizens, you don't have to wait, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.520 Like if they are citizens, you don't have to wait 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.800 for that visa number. No, you can if you're if 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.800 your visa is approved or if your petition for alien 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.280 relative is approved. Um, you can just come on over 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.800 and become a lawful permanent resident. Right. Yeah, and that's 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.119 if they're a citizen. If you're relative as a citizen. Right, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.880 if one of your relatives has made it over and 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:57.720 has become a lawful permanent resident, Uh, then you can 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.200 start to come over to right. But there's there's different 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.119 preferences for that. It's a spouse or an unmarried center 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.800 daughter again probably of one of twenty one years of 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.360 age or older. Yeah, that's first preference, not too old, right. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.320 The second preference is spouses of lawful permanent residents. Uh, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.360 they're under one under twenty one, unmarried children and unmarried 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:26.800 children of lawful permanent residences I'm sorry, residents. Third preference 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:32.840 married children of citizens, and fourth preference siblings of adult citizens. Wow, yeah, 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.520 siblings of adult citizens. It's like, yes, you've got a 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.800 bunch of visas left over. You really need your brother 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.359 over here, I mean really, Yeah, you're thirty and you 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:45.200 gotta have your brother over here, right, or you're seventy, right, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.639 you know. So, yeah, it gets a little convoluted for sure. Um, chuckers, 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.560 there have been There are other ways to do this. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.040 If you were the first of your family and you 0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:00.240 are starting on the path to citizenship, right, Um, there's 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:01.840 some other ways to get in the country to get 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.680 the ball rolling number one. One of the best ways 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.120 to do this is through a the diversity lottery program 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.800 hit the lottery. That means that you are living in 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.800 a country where immigration to the US is really not 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.000 that bulky. Not a lot of people are not not 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.119 a lot of Swedes coming over to the US. Necessarily 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.320 they probably get shot at it um. And so the 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:30.200 State Department sets aside fifty five thousand visas visa numbers 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.080 every year, and actually a hundred and ten thousand is 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:34.880 what they really set aside because a lot of people 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.920 don't complete the process. They basically say, hey, you want 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:39.639 to come to the US. Not too many people are 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.359 coming over from your country. We are the great melting 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.160 pot over here. We're missing a little bit of your spice. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.280 So how about applying huh? And um, the Kentucky Consular 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.640 Bureau is responsible for this. And in two thousand eleven, Chuck, 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:57.720 did you know that nine New Caledonians and one Lichtenstinian 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.240 among the we're among the five thousand who came over 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:06.399 really one Lichtenstinian, Wow, and one person from the French 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:11.760 Arctic Lands, which I don't even know what that is. Uh. 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.080 And if you're if you're lucky enough to hit this lottery, Josh, 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.359 you can live here and work here forever. You can 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.320 bring your family. You can bring your family, you can 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.640 bring your unmarried children. They're under twenty one, they're one, 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.080 then they're on their own. Right, you become a lawful 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:30.240 permanent resident who who can become a citizen under that. 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.360 But it's like a huge not just like uh, it's 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:37.000 like the express lane. Yeah, you're in there. Another way 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.160 to do it is through employment, right. Yeah, I didn't 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.479 know about this one or the next one. No, this 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.680 is alem that this is how we got the Nazis 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:48.520 over here to start our rocket program through Operation paper Clip. Okay, 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.639 Immigration through employment yeah, so yeah, that's when the employer 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.119 kind of sponsors you and they submit a labor certification 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.800 requests certification like that. I like that. What was the 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.480 other when you said to the residences and I'm all 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:08.640 over the place, out of faded or besides a Yeah, 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:13.000 I'm all thick tongue today, UM an honor of you. 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.840 So you submit that to the Department of Labor. Uh. 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.199 If it's granted, then the employer then files for a 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.879 petition for alien worker considered by the U, S U 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.480 S S C I S. Again. Then if that's approved, 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.040 then you can get the immigrant of visa number from 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:33.879 the state department and basically say go to work. But 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:38.239 that's reading the little qualifications there. Uh, the the like 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.640 the types of workers, the preferences. Yeah, so you've got 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.840 UM e B one which is priority workers, which is 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:47.320 we need a rocket program to get to the moon fast. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.960