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Speaker 1: House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. Seated across from me as always as

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Speaker 1: it should be is Charles W. Chuck Bryant. And that

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Speaker 1: but thank you, Chuck. Josh. Hey, have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: and that you're going to create ten, ten or more

423
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: jobs through this endeavor. Right, and this is half of

424
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: those half of those tenths and investor visas are set

425
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: aside for this pilot project called um OH Regional Centers,

426
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: which is basically it's a rural area struggling business. It's

427
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: it's a part of the US that needs some investment.

428
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: Need some new businesses. Right, Detroit, here we go again. Uh.

429
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: You can also get that same visa, Josh, by starting

430
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: a business or purchasing a business that's not doing so hot. Uh.

431
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: You can also Yeah, if you purchase a business, you

432
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: can't just purchase that. You have to show that you

433
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: can inflate its revenues by and keep everybody on staff, right,

434
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: or the golden ticket. If you just have a lot

435
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: of money, if you have half a million dollars, you

436
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: can say I'm gonna invest that in a rural area.

437
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: Or if you have a million dollars, you can just

438
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: invest in some other venture anything. And and the best

439
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: part is if you invest that million dollars correctly, not

440
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: only do you buy your visa, you might make a

441
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: substantial amount of money back on your investment. Yeah. So

442
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: that Yeah, if you've got a lot of dough, then

443
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: you can become an American citizen. A come on in,

444
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: it'spend your money, right. Yeah. And I have to say,

445
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: I know you don't print out the pictures. You're missing

446
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: out on this one. There are some cool maps that

447
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: are like inflated and and exaggerated and anemic and colorful.

448
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: The United States based on based on immigration to countries. Interesting,

449
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: and then there's also one where refugees are it's really neat.

450
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: I recommend going and checking. The South and Central America

451
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: are skinny. America is bloated. Yeah, that is cool. Yeah,

452
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: and so so is the Middle East? Very very big,

453
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: now is it? Uh? So let's talk about asylum. This

454
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: is pretty convoluted as well. Actually, yeah, if you remember

455
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: one thing from this podcast, a person seeking asylum is

456
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: called in ASSAILI that's it. Can we just stop there, yes,

457
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: let's go to sleep. You know what asylum is, Josh,

458
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 1: it's obviously it's when you're protected, um from if you're

459
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: fleeing persecution from your country. You can come here and

460
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: say I need asylum because I live in Sudan. Do

461
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: you remember in the Rules of War podcast we were

462
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: talking about World War two changed everything basically brought the

463
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: whole world together, uh, to say we need to come

464
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: up with some like rules not just for war, but

465
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that was pastor

466
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: ratified UM. Countries of the world said, as a human being, uh,

467
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: people have the right to seek and enjoy in other

468
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: countries asylum for persecution, which is basically like it's some

469
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: horrible stuff going on over here. You have to take

470
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: these people if they come to your country. That's a

471
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: basic human right to be free from that. Because there's

472
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: other parts of the world. Yeah, yeah, or at the

473
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: very least in the case of the United States, you

474
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: you can go to another country that we have a

475
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: deal with an asylum deal, like, hey, you might like Canada, right.

476
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: Not only that, if they yeah, if they come to

477
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: the U. S and they're like, we I'm seeking asylum,

478
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: we can be like, you are approved for Canada, and

479
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: we can just take you there, like we'll give you

480
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: a bus ticket even But yeah, it's it's kind of

481
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: funny because we have asylum treaties with other countries. It's interesting. Yeah,

482
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: there are no quotas or limits on on this kind

483
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: of visa. You just have to demonstrate a well founded

484
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: fear for your life basically, yeah, of persecution in his

485
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: or her home country, right, and you make that case

486
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: um at a point of entry. So basically, if you're

487
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: seeking asylum, here's the difference between in assyli and a

488
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: refugee again inside or outside of the country. Right. So

489
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: let's say that you are fleeting fleeing Sudan and you've

490
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: made it to Egypt, right, You're like, I don't really

491
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: want to stay in Africa any longer. I really want

492
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: to seek I want to I want to seek asylum

493
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: in the US, but I'm doing it from Egypt, your refugee.

494
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: If you leave Egypt and come to the Port of

495
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: Savannah and say I want asylum, you're in Asia. It's

496
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: just where you're doing that. But it's the same thing

497
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: for the same reasons. You're being persecuting your home country

498
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: and you're seeking comfort and freedom from persecution in another country.

499
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: Gotta you know you've heard of the Is it the

500
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: Lost Boys of Sudan? The Child Soldiers? Why am I thinking?

501
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Is that the Lost Boys of Sudan? Right? It sounds right. Yeah.

502
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: One of those guys works at Twains Indicator. He's a

503
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: former child soldier I think so, that's and he was

504
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: just very happy to be bussing tables at Twains. I'm sure.

505
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone loved this guy. I don't know if

506
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: he's still there, there has been a couple of years

507
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: since I've been there, but uh, yeah, it was really neat.

508
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean he was you know, the news stories all

509
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: over the place about these guys, and he worked there

510
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: and was one of the U was the word I'm

511
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: looking for. People loved him. He wasn't a mascot, but

512
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: he was. He was almost like people would come to

513
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: Twains and like everyone said hi to him and and

514
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: he was he's very nice guy. Mascot's not the right word.

515
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: Save it for the refugee podcast. Um, because we're talking

516
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: about asylum here. Yes, so, Chuck, if you're fleeing persecution,

517
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of specific. You can't be like, no one

518
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: in my home country likes me, right, that's not persecution, right, No, no, No,

519
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: it's um persecution based on race, politics, nationality, religion, membership

520
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: in a social group. So if like the US turned

521
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: on the nights of Columbus, they could go to like

522
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Europe and seek asylum. Or if you're in a book club. Yeah,

523
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that means group. Okay. Um. There

524
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: are two apes of asylum gestures affirmative and defensive asylum.

525
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: And from what I get, affirmative is when you arrive

526
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: here at a portive entry. You within a year of

527
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: being here, you submit your application, it's filed, and you

528
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: have an interview. They call it non adversarial. It basically

529
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: means doesn't take place in court, right, It's gonna take

530
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: place in a friendly office and everybody's gonna be smiling,

531
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: and uh, they're not detained. You can live here while

532
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: your case is being considered. Um, but you can't work.

533
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: Isn't that right? I believe that is right. And actually,

534
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: if you do this the right way, like the US

535
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: is set up, we actually have an act from night

536
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: called the Refugee Act, and if anybody can ask for

537
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: asylum no matter what your alien status is, and we

538
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: actually have mechanations, mechanization mechanisms will go with that one

539
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: in place, um to kind of hasten this process. So

540
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: if you do this correctly, you can have this whole

541
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: thing buttoned up in sixty days and be kicking back

542
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: in Detroit. Yeah. If it never goes to uh before

543
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: a judge and it just stays nice and affirmative and

544
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: non adversarial, yeah, then you're you're in like flint in

545
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: no time. Right. So basically what you want to do

546
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: is within a year of landing in the US, you

547
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: want to go to a port and ask for asylum. Yeah.

548
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: I would do that on day two. Why not after

549
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: I've gone out and like, I seen what nightlife has

550
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: to offer America. And then there's defensive asylum, and that

551
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: is when you are you were in danger of being

552
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: deported and you're trying to get asylum. Yes, so that's

553
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: not like you came here and you filed all the

554
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: correct paperwork. That means they're saying, now you need to

555
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: go home, and you're like, no, I don't want to go. Right.

556
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: That means like if you waited two years, yeah, and

557
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: you go, they're going to be like, oh, well now

558
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: you're now you're in defensive asylum, dummy, Why didn't you

559
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: do this a year ago? Right? Or if you weren't

560
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: granted asylum, you can still try and get in through

561
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: defensive asylum, right if you've gone through If you went

562
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: through affirmative asylum and we're didn't ide, your next step

563
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: would be going through defensive asylum, which is adversarial, meaning

564
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: it's in a court. Everybody's a little stern talking to you,

565
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: a little mean, there's lawyers and all that stuff. Um,

566
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: and we should say here, if you were caught without

567
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: correct documentation, if you um forfeited your alien status anything

568
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: like that. Uh, it doesn't just apply to illegal immigrants.

569
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: It applies to illegal immigrants who can again demonstrate a

570
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: quote credible fear of persecution or torture. This is asylum.

571
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: It just applies to those people. Yes, right, yes, and

572
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: then there's expedited removal Chuck. Yeah, that's if you're busted

573
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: basically with no documentation coming in coming in and you're

574
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I just thought you needed a plane ticket.

575
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: Is that not good enough? Here's my luggage receipt? And

576
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: actually this is pretty cool. The immigration officials, which I

577
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: imagine include the customs um Agency, right, yeah? Uh, which

578
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: we did a podcast something, didn't we Yeah? Okay, um,

579
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: they have to ask four questions of anyone they catch,

580
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: uh trying to make it into the US illegally, right.

581
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: They have to ask, oh, why did you leave your

582
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: home country? Uh? Why? Or do you have any fear

583
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: concerned about being returned to your home country? Uh? Would

584
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: you be harmed if you were returned to your home country?

585
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: Do you have any questions? Anything else you'd like to add?

586
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: It's actually in here. Uh so it basically anybody who

587
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: wants to seek asylum can say I'm seeking asylum, and

588
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna start off this process. You're they're not gonna

589
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: be like no, yeah, anyone. If you come here and

590
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: you want asylum, you're at least going to be able

591
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: to speak with someone about that. You're not just gonna

592
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: be turned away at the door. But if you're busted

593
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: getting in, you're going straight to defensive asylum. If you

594
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: make it through and they can go to a port

595
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: right and say I'm seeking asylum, they'll that'll be affirmative asylum. Yeah,

596
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: people like I was are probably like, what so confusing? Yeah,

597
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: just go to the port and say asylum and that'll

598
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: that'll kick start something interesting, that will start the process

599
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: for sure. Uh. So we're not gonna talk too much

600
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: about refugees, but um, the two thousand nine World Refugee

601
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: Survey puts that number at about thirteen point six million

602
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: worldwide refugees. And in uh last year, God, that's up

603
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: a lot because this article was written I think in

604
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: like two thousand seven Silverman. Did you notice Jacob Silverman

605
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: made a Bruneo reference. Um, he said that in two

606
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: thousand and five there were nine point five million UM

607
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: refugees at the beginning of that year. We're up to

608
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: thirteen million. That's what it said, and uh, last year,

609
00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: the US admitted sixty thousand refugees and the next closest

610
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: was Canada at about eleven thousand, and then the assees

611
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: said about nine thousand. Wow, there's refugees from Canada. No

612
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: refugees that Canada said, once you come on here to

613
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: the great right North, we'll let you know. They admitted

614
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: the refugee. And that's you know, refugees are looking for

615
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: at the very least temporary protected status. And that's when

616
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, we'll take care of you for

617
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: now and then we'll work this whole thing out in

618
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: a minute. But you're safe. Is that all on refugees?

619
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: And listen, do you do you want to do a podcast? Lot? Yeah, yeah,

620
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: let's do one later. All right, Well, let's let's move

621
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: on to the the sexiest business of all of this, Yeah, controversy,

622
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: illegal immigration. Yeah, it's hard to say, obviously how many

623
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: there are. The numbers are kind of all over, but

624
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Homeland Security said that, uh, there

625
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: were ten point eight million last year, which is down

626
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: a full million from oh eight and that's the largest

627
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: drop in thirty years. Yeah, well, of a pretty big

628
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: recession times are tough here. I don't really think about that.

629
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: That's exactly why I would still think that it would

630
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: be better than being in Warez. Well, I'm glad you

631
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: brought up Warez because I had a question about that

632
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: about se you, Dodd Warez. Do you like my Spanish? Yeah?

633
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: But I was talking about war as the place. But

634
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: go ahead, that's what I'm talking about that too. Oh

635
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: is that the full name of it? Yeah, it means

636
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: Warrez City. Like I wasn't talking about see you, Dodd Warez.

637
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: I was talking about Warez City. I don't know who

638
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 1: that dude is. But think about it, Like, I think

639
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: more than six thousand people have died in July. This

640
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: past July hit the six thousand mark. Not have died,

641
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: we're killed right, Okay, we're killed in war Is alone

642
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: since January two because of the real deal drug war. Right.

643
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: So if you're fleeing that across the US border, what's

644
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: how is how can you not seek asylum? Is it

645
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: that you could conceivably go south and deeper into your

646
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: home country and be relatively safe? Yeah, I don't know.

647
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: I was hoping you would. Yeah, I don't know if

648
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: asylum is just for Yeah, I mean that would definitely

649
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: constitute a fear of fearing for your life, for sure,

650
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: your persecution for sure. That's a good point. But that

651
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: is that does kind of pose a problem for people

652
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: in Warez fleeing north, you know, because the US is

653
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: right there. Warez is in the middle of a real

654
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: drug war and it's a very dangerous place right now,

655
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: maybe they don't think asylum, They just think, you know,

656
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: across yeahs illegally and uh so, m I should clue

657
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: him in. Yeah, And before we were you were talking

658
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: about the controversy with illegal immigration, and we mentioned the recession.

659
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: It seems like they're there. That's pretty much. I don't

660
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: think too many people have problems with peaceful refugees seeking

661
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: asylum in the US. It's when economics are brought into it.

662
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: There go nuts, right, Um, that always goes back to money, right,

663
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: it does. But I think first we should kind of

664
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: we're we're up here, like, oh, well, they're coming in

665
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: down south and the border, right, Um, we should probably

666
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: point out that for a lot of people who are

667
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: making these border crossings illegally, it's extremely dangerous, right. Silverman

668
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: who wrote this um This article cited three thousand people

669
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: who have died since trying to make the trek between

670
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: the Mexico California border. Just Mexico California. Yeah, since we

671
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: since we erected the fence. They're interesting. Yeah. Um. Also

672
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: coyotes who you pay to get you across the border,

673
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: especially if you're coming out of warez Um. They basically

674
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: double as drug transporters. They use illegal immigrants as mules,

675
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: basically like, well, here, carry some drugs and I won't

676
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: charge you. And the person will say, well, now, I'll

677
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: just pay you, and the guy pulled out a gun

678
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: and goes, no, you're going to carry these drugs. So

679
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: these people are not just getting busted coming into the country.

680
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: They're getting busted with tons of dope on them and

681
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: they're going to prison. Well, and then that gives the

682
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: argument to the native of sand See, they're just coming

683
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: in here bringing drugs. When it may be traced back

684
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: to this one drug runner. It is making these hundreds

685
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: of people smuggle in their drugs. And I think there's

686
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: a lot of confusion going on. But yes, it's it's

687
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: not good down there right now. No, it's not so uh.

688
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Illegal immigrants as most people know a lot of times

689
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: will come to this country, join up with some of

690
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: their family who may be here already legally, and do

691
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: jobs that Americans don't want to do for low wages.

692
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: That happens a lot of times. It's not legal, You're

693
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: not supposed to hire these people, but it happens. Yeah,

694
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: it wasn't there. Um, I think Colbert did it. There's

695
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: a a group in New York State who were offering

696
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: this farm hand like I think fruit harvesting job to

697
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: anybody who wanted it, any American born American you wanted it,

698
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: and no one took him up on it. Yeah, Well

699
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: that kind of goes, uh to the guest worker program,

700
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: which is something George w was in favor of and

701
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: that has not been approved, but it's been bandied about

702
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: a lot. And basically that means if you can't find

703
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: any American to do a job that you want, you know,

704
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: to hire someone for, then hire a foreigner for about

705
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, to be a term limit like three years. Um,

706
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: track them through the system, make them pay some taxes

707
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: while they're here, and then give them an incentive to

708
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: return home, like hey, we'll even give you retirement benefits

709
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: which you can collect in Warrez after your term is done,

710
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: after you've worked for three years. And I didn't know

711
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: this had a little digging. There was actually a program

712
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: from ninety two to nineteen sixty four called called the

713
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: Bracero Program that Roosevelt put in and it was basically

714
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: that it was we need a lot of labor, so

715
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: let's get some of the Mexican people up here to

716
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: do this work. And it was a nice exchange. But

717
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of this and then we were like

718
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: everybody get out. Well it was still nineteen sixty four.

719
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: But in nineteen fifty four, in the middle of this program,

720
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: the I n S ran a program no lie called

721
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: Operation wet Back What that was the name of it what?

722
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: And their goal was to round up one thousand aliens

723
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: per day and get them out and in the end

724
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: more than one million Mexican nationals. We're taken back to

725
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: Mexico courtesy the US, and not just taken back to Mexico,

726
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: but like eight hundreds to a thousand miles deep into

727
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: Mexico to discourage them coming back to the US. Was

728
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: this program headed up by Don Johnson, So no man,

729
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: but that was the name of it. I mean, you

730
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: can google it so anyway, that's part of our our

731
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: lovely history too here. Wow. But um, until the guest

732
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: worker program is for real, then it's just an idea

733
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: that some people say might not be a bad one. Yeah, Like,

734
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: if they're here working, why not see if we can

735
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: Because the reason a lot of people get mad, we

736
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: should explain it's like this is fun, I'm watching you

737
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: tap dance is a They're not paying taxes, is what

738
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: the people against us say, and be they most times

739
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: are sending money straight back to their homes. Yeah, so

740
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: they're not even putting money into the economy. Remember when

741
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: we were in Guatemala, we found out that tourism number two,

742
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: agriculture number three, remittances was the number one driver of

743
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: their economy while we were there. Unbelievable. That takes a

744
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: lot of people off, right, But I think that that's

745
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: kind of a flash point, um for I don't think

746
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: it encapsulates the whole thing. Is something the beginning and

747
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: the end of the problem with immigration, No, of course

748
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: not right. Yeah, um, chuck. A lot of people say,

749
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: you want a guess worker program path to citizenship, that

750
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: is amnesty, and we don't do that in the US, right, yeah,

751
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: actually we do. We've given amnesty to it a lot

752
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: of people. Uh. In nineteen eighty Uh, Fidel Castro opened

753
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: up the Merrielle Port Havannah and a hundred and twenty

754
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: five thousand Cubans said see you later and showed up

755
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: on mass in Miami. Amnesty seems to have gone in

756
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: big waves here. Yeah, which is what a lot of

757
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: people say. That's why we shouldn't do it, because it

758
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: just encourages people to come here illegally in hopes that

759
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: there will be another big amnesty. Right. It rewards illegal behavior,

760
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: It's federally mandated rewards for illegal behavior. I totally understand

761
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: that argument. Um, it's a slap in the face to

762
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: all the people who came here legally and went through

763
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: this hard kind of grueling process legally. Um. And you

764
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: know all the other problems as well. Um. But I

765
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: guess my point is we have given amnesty to people

766
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: before and hasn't been the end of the country. Yeah,

767
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Um. And by the way,

768
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: that that Cuban migration in that's what Scarface starts out.

769
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And the Delta Force came to

770
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: Atlanta actually because a lot of the immigrants were moved

771
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: to federal prisons just to hold for a while until

772
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: the government figured out what to do with them. There

773
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: was an uprising in the Atlanta Federal pen attention and

774
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: the Delta Force showed up to quell it. Wow, well

775
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of what happened in Scarface, right when there

776
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: are a big uprising in there in tournament camp. Yes, yes,

777
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: great movie. So obviously we well we didn't really talk

778
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: about the border patrol. We could do a whole podcast

779
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: on that, but yeah, we did with customs, Yeah, we

780
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: talked about that. We can say that that that virtual

781
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: border fence that was u controversial and full of issues,

782
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: technical issues and delays. Obama put it into that in

783
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: March and said this thing is we could use our

784
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: money better than this. It's not working. But there is

785
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: a fence. There's five and eighty miles of twenty one

786
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: ft fence along the border, pedestrian and vehicle fencing. So

787
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're working on it. I don't know.

788
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean, they can clearly never build a fence along

789
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: the entire border, but the Minutemen Civil Defent Defense Corps

790
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: is trying to do it on their own, not very

791
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: successfully though. They talk a lot. But apparently they did

792
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: a report on their fence and they basically said it's

793
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: a cattle fence. I once interviewed the guy, the guy

794
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: who founded that. I can't remember his name right now,

795
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: but I talked to him on the phone. And you

796
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: just start him talking and he'll talk. It was very interesting,

797
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: interesting conversation to just basically sit there and take notes

798
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: on Well, I mean, I guess I see what they're

799
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: trying to prove. But they were, you know, their goal

800
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: was a ten mile stretch of fence, and come on,

801
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: ten miles. I mean, you can walk that in an

802
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: hour and go around it ten miles an hour. You're

803
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: gonna have to be jogging running okay, two hours? Okay?

804
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: What do you walk about? Four miles an I walk

805
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: about a mile and a half an hour because I

806
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: stop a lot and lay down. Well you're a stroller?

807
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: What else, dude? Um? Well, that's it. An amnesty you

808
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: want to talk about some more high it's to amnassy.

809
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: About a million Nicaraguans were given amnesty through the Central

810
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: American Relief Act. UH hundred and twenty thousand Haitian refugees

811
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: were granted amnesty on mass and all of that is

812
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: because of the Night six Immigration Reform and Control Act,

813
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: which gave amnesty to about two point eight million illegal immigrants.

814
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: And the president who did that, one Ronald Reagan. Looky there. Yeah,

815
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: it's funny how things work. He was such a dichotomous president. Man. Yeah, okay,

816
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I got nothing else. I don't either. I think that's

817
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: the end of immigration. We don't ever have to talk

818
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: about it again. Yeah, we can do refugees, We can

819
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: do naturalization at some point, Yeah we could. Well just

820
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: how about this, We'll just play selected clips from Jane

821
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: Seymour's naturalization documentary and just be like, oh wow, alright,

822
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: got that's something, and then we'll, uh, we'll make sure

823
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: to get a out of you crying. Okay, so chuck.

824
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: If anybody wants to learn more about immigration, very dense article,

825
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: well written by one Jacob Silverman who used to work here.

826
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: You can type in immigration that's two MS in the

827
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: handy search bar at how stuff works dot com, which

828
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: means it's time now, or listener mail Josh. I'm gonna

829
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: call this, uh shout out requests that we don't grant often,

830
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: but we are in this case. Oh, this is a

831
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: big one. Don't we get pay for these now? No,

832
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: in Karmen, we do, guys. My name is Eric Ericson,

833
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: and I've been listening to your show for some time now.

834
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: I was actually shown them by my friend. Uh, how

835
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: would you pronounce I l O in a Elona? Alona? Elona?

836
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: It's like Alona, which is why I'm actually emailing you

837
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: guys for her birthday this year. I'm trying to do

838
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: something really, really special. I've been emailing her favorite actors

839
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: and musicians to see if they could send an autograph

840
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: or a short message. So far, I've gotten messages back

841
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: from Andrew Bird and of and Priscilla On who was

842
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: another singer who I don't know, and they both got back.

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Speaker 1: So I felt that's the only reason I did this.

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, we can't be the jerks who don't

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Speaker 1: do it. Do you know how many of these we're

846
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: going to get? Now? No, don't bother. We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: like a happy birthday segment. I figured it'd be really

848
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Speaker 1: awesome if you two can maybe give a shout out

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Speaker 1: to her and the listener mail sections. So that's what

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Speaker 1: we're doing here, Eric. It would mean a lot to

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Speaker 1: me if you could do this. It doesn't matter when

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Speaker 1: he didn't tell us when her birthday was. I'm just

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Speaker 1: hoping she doesn't listen to it before I get for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the things. And he still doesn't tell

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Speaker 1: me when her birthday is. Huh, So we're ruining this

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00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: for you, Elona that I'm very sorry. If you get

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Speaker 1: back to me sometime, it would be super awesome. And

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I just want to tell you U why

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00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: Alona means so much to me. So that is very sweet.

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Speaker 1: Eric with a c K and I hope, I hope

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Speaker 1: this gets and whatever you're seekings then Eric with the

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00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: c K. You can't trust Eric who spell her names

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00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: of the C and A kay, it's one of the other.

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00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: You should just throw a T on the end of that.

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Speaker 1: Just today, he's very middle of the road, I'll bet yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you can see your side, but I can also

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Speaker 1: see your side. I'll bet this immigration podcast just made

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Speaker 1: his head exploit well. He can clearly neither one of

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Speaker 1: them are going to get through this, so I'll just

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Speaker 1: think that we blew them off. Well, thanks a lot, um.

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Speaker 1: If you want to say happy birthday to somebody, apparently,

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Speaker 1: it's the the border is open, everybody's streaming through. It's

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Speaker 1: not let us know why we should say happy birthday

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Speaker 1: to somebody. Wrap it up in an email and send

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