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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. Police arrested Elizabeth's mom, Kimberly Thomas,

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Speaker 1: Has there been a siding in Corpus Christi, Texas. This

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Speaker 1: Now where are they Jason? What what's happening within the family?

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Speaker 1: a person could become a father figure as a teacher,

426
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: and and that's that. That can be a really good

427
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: thing in certain situations, but it's not when you're a

428
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: sexual predator, you know. And so and that's what happened here.

429
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: The father figure. What is the little girl that dropped

430
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: her off? At? Should he say about which part? Nancy? Yeah,

431
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: About what Elizabeth intended, I mean that she intended to

432
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: go visit a friend for the day. Visit a friend

433
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: for the day for the day. Did she just take

434
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: her backpack or did she just have her clothes from

435
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: the night before. What did she have with her? She

436
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: had at least a bag, and now it's unclear to

437
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: me whether there were two. The little girl that took

438
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: her did not see anything out of the ordinary in

439
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: terms of the bags. Wasn't this issue was carrying a

440
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: giant Sampson Night's suitcase or something like that. So that's

441
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: not what was going on. And so there was nothing

442
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: that that struck her as alarming about about that, according

443
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: to what she's saying. I found that a little cryptic, though,

444
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: because if these two little girls are a good friends.

445
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: If I if my friends said I'm going to go

446
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: spend the day with a friend, I'd say who Just

447
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: you know, just natural conversation. Yea. I tend to agree.

448
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. There's a I'm concerned, especially in

449
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the fact that there was knowledge that

450
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: she wanted to get away, was wanting to leave the area.

451
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: I had even discussed about leaving with Tad Cummins. But

452
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, right, I mean, obviously, you know, these these

453
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: children that are friends and in the middle of this, uh,

454
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: you know, I think they're they're all sort of reeling,

455
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: probably even scared about what to say and who to

456
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: say it to. Where do you think they are, Jason,

457
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: Where do you think they've gone? Mexico? You don't, Nancy. Uh.

458
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: One of the reports we got is that Tad Cummins

459
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: bragged in class to his students, this is how crazy

460
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: he was that he had a place in Honduras that

461
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: he would go to when things got bad in Columbia

462
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: quote unquote, um. He was sort of a self proclaimed survivalist,

463
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: even though I doubt very seriously he had any of

464
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: those skills or the wherewithal to get to Honduras. I

465
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: doubt he even has a passport. But that's what he

466
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: portrayed himself as. What a place, a hideout in Honduras

467
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: when things got too bad in Columbia. What. Yeah, he's

468
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: he's an idiot. Uh. And he made those statements and

469
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: and uh and but the child believed them. We have

470
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: one rapport from one Chile that she had she had

471
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: actually declared that she has a way to get out

472
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: of the country. I mean, we we we don't. I

473
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: don't believe that Tad does, however, or did, but I

474
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: do believe that he told Elizabeth that because she believed

475
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: what basically whatever he said, apparently, and he he convinced

476
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: a lot of students of that. He apparently is a

477
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: very masterful manipulator. When he's caught, I would encourage you

478
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: to have him on your show and and find out

479
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: how his uh Einstein like manipulating brain works. Uh, so

480
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: you can figure out how he convinced all these impressionable

481
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: youth that he was in the CIA and whatnot. I'm

482
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: saying that tongue in cheek, of course, you know, I'm

483
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: just wondering, do you what do you make of that?

484
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Corpus Christie alleged siding. If you know I've read about it,

485
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I mean, you know, right now

486
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: I would tell you that, you know, obviously the family

487
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: is not headed down to Corpus Christie right now. So

488
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what the veracity of that is. We

489
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: hope and pray that it's legit, but we just don't know.

490
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: And we we trust the tb I and the FBI

491
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: law and local law enforcement. Marcus Albright his personal friend

492
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: of mine, and he's the he's the lead detective locally.

493
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: They're all great people, and we trust that they're following

494
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: up all of these leads as they should be followed up. Obviously,

495
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm from Texas originally he's from Texas. No, I'm from

496
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: I just said that as a plug to the state

497
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: where I grew up. I was born and raised in Texas.

498
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: And I'm confident that down there that if they think

499
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: they've got a kidnapper, they're gonna hunt him down. Okay,

500
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. She has a cell phone.

501
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: It was pained, we believe Indicator Alabama the day she

502
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: gets missing, and nothing since. Do you think she's going

503
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: to try and contact her family? Oh? Wow? Well, I

504
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: mean yes, I mean my personal belief is that that

505
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: there will come a point, if it had and come already,

506
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: that Elizabeth realizes that this isn't any fun and it's

507
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: not very glamorous, that he's not a millionaire, that he's

508
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: not a former FBI agent or Special Forces or whatever,

509
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: and that's going to come to light. Uh, and when

510
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: they can't afford dinner, you know. Um, And as that happens,

511
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: I think she's gonna want to go home, and she's

512
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna try harder and harder to contact home. That's what

513
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: I think is going to happen. Now. Now what's scary

514
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: for us is as that happens, Tad Cummins becomes more desperate.

515
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: He's an armed man, he's obviously demented, and and so

516
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: to think about having your daughter in the hands of

517
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: a of a demented, armed man who's now becoming desperate

518
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: because he's running out of money. I mean that that's

519
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: the concern we have, or one of the concerns we have.

520
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, there are all sorts of articles written and

521
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: analysis done on the Erkin dollar versus the Mexican dollar

522
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: Mexican exchange. If he did make it to Mexico, They

523
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: could live for a long time off nearly five grand. Well,

524
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: of course five grand is just what he got. He

525
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: got the car. We don't know what additional cash he

526
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: might have had um and no one knew them, just

527
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: to be clear as a wealthy family. But you know,

528
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: he could have amassed easily a lot more cash than that.

529
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: So so we don't know how much cash he had.

530
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: Where does the wife, Jill come and spit into all this?

531
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, is she being cooperative? Have they looked at

532
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 1: his bank accounts to see by all accounts according to

533
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: law enforcements, she's being fully cooperative and she's been very helpful.

534
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: And that's I have no information to contradict that. That's

535
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: what the tv I is saying. What does the dad think?

536
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: What does Anthony Thomas think? Well about her involvement or

537
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: what about where they are? I mean, to me her

538
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: and her involvement, she's a child. Anything she did doesn't

539
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: matter because she's not at the age of consent, and

540
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: whatever she did do is because she was manipulated. But

541
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean, where where does he think they are? He

542
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: has to fight off feelings of becoming despondent by dwelling

543
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: on worst case scenario, and he has to hope for

544
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: the best. And so what he what he hopes is

545
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: that she's healthy, that this is sort of a fanciful thing,

546
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: that she went off. Tad's going to come to his senses,

547
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: put her on a bus and she's coming home, or

548
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, drop her off at a police station. And

549
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: if he's listening to this, please do that, Tad. But

550
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, that's what he thinks or wants hopes. Obviously

551
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna gonna happen that as far as what he

552
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: actually thinks is happening. Listen, the other day he was

553
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: being interviewed by The Today Show and I was there

554
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: when they got that. They found out that from the

555
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: t B I that he had been googling teen marriage.

556
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: They revealed that to him in a question and we

557
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Let me tell you, he had to

558
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: come apart and as any father would. So if you're

559
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: asking where he is and what his thoughts are, I

560
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: think that was a great peeling back of just what's

561
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: really going on inside of Anthony Thomas. Is when when

562
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: they announced and of course we all sort of think

563
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: these things, but in living color, they announced that he

564
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: was googling teen marriage. You know, the gloves are off

565
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: at that point. Everybody knows what's going on. And it

566
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: really really just just to hit him to the core.

567
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: And uh and they had to reshoot uh that that

568
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: question because he just he got up. He just couldn't

569
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: take it. And and uh uh you know that that's

570
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that a father when you hear that. Um,

571
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have to describe to you what

572
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: what an average parents response would be to that kind

573
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: of revelation. I mean, I think you already know. Listen,

574
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: I'll kind so many stories Jason that sometimes during the

575
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: day I have to go get in my car and

576
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: drive by the children's school to make sure it's not

577
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: in lockdown for some reason. I hear, I hear it,

578
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. I'm just I'm just sick

579
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: about it. I'm thinking about his Niecean rogue. Do you

580
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: know if he had serious x M in there? No,

581
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that at all. I know that's a

582
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: crazy off the wall question, but you know, you know

583
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: that can be car tapped if they have serious if

584
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: he's got on star, if he's got anything like that.

585
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: And I wonder if that's being done, Nancy. My personal

586
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: belief is that Nissan Rogue's along gone. I mean, this

587
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: guy was googling how how to get off the grid.

588
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: He's a self proclaimed survivalist. He dumped that car somewhere

589
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: because everybody's looking for a silver Nisan Rogue, and I

590
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of them, but there's not that

591
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: many of them, And so I think he took that

592
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: cars encumbered. He gets rid of that car. I think

593
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: he pond. I think he sold the car. I think

594
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: he sold it somewhere, took the plates off and sold

595
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: it somewhere, and somewhere it's on some used car lot,

596
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: or it's abandoned somewhere. Yeah, I mean he could or

597
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: he could have taken a thousand dollars put it down

598
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: on one of these buy here, pay here car lots,

599
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: or or a Craigslist car. There could be any number

600
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: of ways that he could have gotten a vehicle. And

601
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: so I don't know that we have any idea what

602
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: the vehicle that they're in right now. Yeah. The reason

603
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm asking is this, it would at least give me

604
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: a direction. If I knew where the car was last,

605
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: I would at least know where they're headed like you know,

606
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: like the Decatur, Alabama was a little bit of a

607
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: hint which way they were headed, but not much. But

608
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: I gave gave us something, you know, and if I

609
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: knew where he dumped the car, that would at least

610
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: give me a direction. Well, you know, here's my thought.

611
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: Those of us who live in southern Middleton. See when

612
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: we think of the I six cord that goes through Decatur, uh,

613
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: you generally think of one thing, and that's going to

614
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: the ocean and going to forward you can handle. That's

615
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: what we've been saying from the get go. It's about

616
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: seven hours away. And that was my thinking. My dad

617
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: grew up on the Panhana's been a lot of time

618
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: down there, and if you keep going, you know, he

619
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: could disappear. People disappear in Florida all the time. They

620
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: go down there and they live transiently and they're really

621
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: off the grid. You know, You've got the Everglades, you

622
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: have just a lot of expanse of un developed land.

623
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: He could easily be down there. But then there's Corpus

624
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: Christie's side and kind of threw off my theory. Of course,

625
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder some of that information come out?

626
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: Is it coming out on purpose? In other words? You know,

627
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. In other words, as the t b

628
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: I or the FBI sort of fled out that, oh,

629
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: here he is when maybe he's not there, you know,

630
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: on purpose. Um. I know that sounds counterintuitive, but you know,

631
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: in their strategy of trying to find this guy, they

632
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: may very well be giving a few false leads. Well,

633
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: you know he's watching you know, he's watching TV and

634
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: listening to everything and reading the reports. Do you know

635
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: if Elizabeth had an iPad with her an iPad? We

636
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: do not know that, and if we yea, we don't

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Speaker 1: know that. You know. The thing is, though, if she did,

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Speaker 1: he's savvy enough to tell her if she turns it

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Speaker 1: he I'm sure he's already told her that. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that's what happened with the ping indicator, is that,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, they figured out you better turn off

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Speaker 1: the cell phone, don't do that whatever, and then they

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Speaker 1: didn't make that mistaken. Okay, guys, Jason, I have taken

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Speaker 1: so much of your time and I want to hear

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Speaker 1: your final thoughts. If what you want the public to know,

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Speaker 1: and what you want Tad Cummins to know, and as

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Speaker 1: you are representing Elizabeth's dad, Anthony, what you want Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: to know? Is there a message to her from her dad?

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Speaker 1: The first i'd answer the first question are the last

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Speaker 1: question first, which is her father, Anthony as well as

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Speaker 1: her family loves her dearly and completely unconditionally um and

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Speaker 1: wants her home. There's no judgment, there's nothing other than

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Speaker 1: the love for their daughter and sister that they want

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Speaker 1: her home and safe, and that is it. Number Two,

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Speaker 1: to the public, we would say this, this is an abduction.

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Speaker 1: This isn't some wilful There is no wilfulness here. This

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Speaker 1: is a fifteen year old girl and a fifty year

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Speaker 1: old predator. Um, that's what this is. And so we

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Speaker 1: want the public to understand that. So this discussion that

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Speaker 1: we see out there on all uh, you know, social

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Speaker 1: media comments and whatnot, there's simply no wilfulness here and

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Speaker 1: that that is in fact, this man brainwashed her. And

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Speaker 1: to Tad Cummins, I would say this, Um, if you're listening,

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Speaker 1: um uh, it's going to go a lot better for you.

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Speaker 1: You would simply do the right thing and let her go. Safely,

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Speaker 1: put her in a safe place, get her to the authorities.

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Speaker 1: UM in terms of of going after him. Uh, my

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Speaker 1: view is this, The family's view is this. We just

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Speaker 1: want the child back. We don't really care what happens

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Speaker 1: to Tag Commons at this point. We'll leave that to

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Speaker 1: other people. Again. Thank you to our sponsor, crime Con

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Speaker 1: you for making today possible. Our prayers and thoughts go

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Speaker 1: on for the safe return of Elizabeth Thomas. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank Jason Watley and your partner, your law partner,

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Speaker 1: and all of your staff that have gathered together to

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Speaker 1: be with us today. We are praying every day. At night,

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Speaker 1: I wake up and I think about Elizabeth. I wonder

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Speaker 1: what's happening to right now. I worry about her. I

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Speaker 1: worry about this thing going even more sideways, where he

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Speaker 1: becomes even more irrational and they both end up dead somehow.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm really praying for her safety and that

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Speaker 1: she comes home, and for her father and her family.

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Speaker 1: Jason Wantley Corey, thank you so much for being with us,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off goodbye friend,