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Speaker 3: Oh it's not just an aeron Torres and Dan by

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Speaker 3: our show. It is far from that. Erin Torres. First

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Speaker 3: things first, I have to say happy birthday to my wife.

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Speaker 3: So it's my wife's birthday today. But for what I

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Speaker 3: don't know, fifth sixth thirty second possible time. Eron Torres,

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Speaker 3: we are getting together on a Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm great happy first of all, I mean most importantly,

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Speaker 4: happy birthday to your wife.

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Speaker 5: Happy things giving.

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Speaker 4: It's been a few and I think it's not just Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 4: if I if I read the Facebook invite correctly, it's

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Speaker 4: not just Thanksgiving, right.

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Speaker 3: You are correct eron Torres, it is you know the music,

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Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen we present to you. Oh, it's our

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Speaker 3: friends giving, our friends giving. Drop is here? Do we

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Speaker 3: have our friends Giving Drop. Hello, Friendsgiving Drop.

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Speaker 2: It's the buyer there. It is.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome in. When you hear this music, When

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Speaker 3: you hear that doorbell, you know someone is here. Ryan

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Speaker 3: Smith is here. That's at the door. He's at the door,

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Speaker 3: Ryan smell. Whoa happy friends giving to you? Oh man,

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Speaker 3: what a day? What a day? Brings a tear to

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Speaker 3: my eye. His hands are full. That is that a

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Speaker 3: great being cast role? At that? Ride's wait knocking? Oh

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Speaker 3: my goodness, Aaron, do you know who that is? That's

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Speaker 3: Manzy Belango smty. Welcome to the friends giving.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so happy to be hanging out, Manzi.

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Speaker 5: A box of wine?

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Speaker 6: You should, well, it's time to celebrate. It's time to celebrate.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is great to have you here, it truly is.

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Speaker 3: I hope you and Ryan can can find a seat

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Speaker 3: and we will be welcoming many more. Wait is that

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Speaker 3: is that? Do I see parking his car? Wait? No,

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Speaker 3: he's at the door. It's our executive producer, Ian Roddy.

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Speaker 7: Happy Thanksgiving, Ian, Happy Thanksgiving, guys Man, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: What a crew that we've got here today. Aaron, it's

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Speaker 3: good to be amongst friends.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 4: It's uh yeah, We've been doing this for a while now,

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Speaker 4: and but there's nothing. The only thing better than a

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving is a friends giving.

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Speaker 5: And excited to be here with you.

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Speaker 3: I know that people are having friends givings today, and

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Speaker 3: if you are unable to take part in a friends

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Speaker 3: giving or a thanksgiving of any sort, join us for

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Speaker 3: the next four hours here on Fox Sports Radio. We

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Speaker 3: will be your friends, we will be your family having fun.

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Speaker 3: Various guests will be joining us throughout the program. We're

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Speaker 3: talking a lot of football. And as we were talking

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Speaker 3: and welcoming all of our guests on the old TV

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Speaker 3: in the corner, Christian Watson has just caught a touchdown

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Speaker 3: pass with the green Bay Packers from Jordan love Goes

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Speaker 3: for fifty one yards. Green Bay's extended their lead to

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Speaker 3: go in the third quarter eron Torres, the Packers lead

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Speaker 3: in this game. Packers beat the Lions earlier this season.

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Speaker 4: So you know, this is the only downside of a

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Speaker 5: I thought you were going to reference the.

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Speaker 3: just attrition, like you're right about that. And this gets

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Speaker 3: into we're gonna have Adam kaplan in about twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully he comes because he has the pumpkin pie. But

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Speaker 3: and there really hasn't been a point with the Lions

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Speaker 3: understand that Green Bay fans can get frustrated with Matt Lafleur.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, a lot of the hallmarks of

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Speaker 5: Got so excited after two weeks.

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Speaker 4: You know, they have the dominant win ironically against the

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Speaker 5: Admittedly, Jaden Daniels did play in that game, but I.

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Speaker 4: Just bring it up because you know, they get off

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Speaker 5: But I just bring it up because, yes.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they weren't or you know, maybe they aren't or

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Speaker 5: And I think what's interesting is, you know, we get.

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Speaker 3: And they did not meet the Philadelphia Eagles. However, as

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, yeah, the Browns loss isn't you know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's not one you know, you can tell your

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Speaker 5: To the Jets. Basically. It's the point that I'm trying.

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Speaker 3: To Yeah, and am I when I'm looking at the

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Speaker 3: they really haven't beaten anyone. There's like those those Dolphins

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Speaker 3: Because in the playoffs, you're only going to face good teams, right,

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Speaker 3: not sure the Chicago Bears are in that category.

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Speaker 4: Great call, you know, yeah, And I mean you factor

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Speaker 5: Soft spot sympathetic.

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Speaker 3: My biggest takeaway was we like, hold that four year

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Speaker 5: But you know, I watched the documentary with my wife.

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Speaker 3: and I think I just heard somebody, uh knocking at

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Speaker 3: the door. I'm not quite sure that is somebody, Aaron.

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Speaker 3: Can you check the window? Can you see wait? Wait,

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Speaker 10: Hello, Adam, welcome in, guys. Yeah, thank you, I mean

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Speaker 10: very warm welcome. It is a little chili out there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, can I take Can I take those mashed

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Speaker 3: potatoes from you? We will be eating those later on.

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Speaker 3: Here you go, Aaron, Just I don't know, Ian, can

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Speaker 3: you take those into the kitchen.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Matzi brought a couple of boxes of wine, Adam, if

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Speaker 4: you're thirsty, so one was.

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Speaker 3: Half empty, which I questioned her about. But hey, we're

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Speaker 3: all friends here on this friends giving. Are the Green

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Speaker 3: Bay Packers in your circle of trust, Adam Kaplan?

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Speaker 8: It's so funny.

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Speaker 10: I don't know why you went there, but you know

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Speaker 10: that's something I do for sports Square to I have

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Speaker 10: my circle of trust every month.

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Speaker 3: We talk about it, by the way, like when even

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Speaker 3: when you're not on the air, we call it the

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Speaker 3: Adam Kaplan circle of trust.

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Speaker 10: I didn't know you knew that, yeah, so yeah, I

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Speaker 10: just came up with it because for gambling, if you're wagering,

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Speaker 10: you're trying to figure out who to back, and I

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Speaker 10: always say, hey, here's a team based on the way

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Speaker 10: if they're playing, based on the way they're coaching what

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Speaker 10: I've heard that they have a better chance of covering

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Speaker 10: than not. Now, look, the Patriots have sort of defied

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Speaker 10: logic that The Packers completely frustrate me because now they're

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Speaker 10: doing great today, they're scoring, but their defense isn't stopping

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Speaker 10: anyone today with Detroit with all their injuries, surprisingly.

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Speaker 8: But are they my circle trust?

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Speaker 3: Not really.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 8: From one.

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Speaker 10: The problem is they have when healthy. Arguably Dan one

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Speaker 10: of the top three most talented teams, but for some

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Speaker 10: reason with Matt Lafleur, he coaches very conservatively, not today,

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Speaker 10: but more often not. And that's what's really gotten by

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Speaker 10: the way in the playoffs, Adam.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you. He's about the line.

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Speaker 4: And I remember asking you over the summer the impact

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Speaker 4: that Ben Johnson would have. Would it be bigger in

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Speaker 4: a positive way for Chicago in a negative way for Detroit?

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Speaker 5: Certainly been positive in Chicago. But I guess that's.

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Speaker 8: A great question. I remember that. Go ahead.

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Speaker 5: I remember you saying it was a great question.

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Speaker 10: So thank you for bringing it up, because it's not

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Speaker 10: the way that I would have thought of it. And

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Speaker 10: then you made me think because of but I had

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Speaker 10: no idea that they would be this good of good.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 4: But but the counter to that is, you know, I

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Speaker 4: did have questions about the replacement of Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 5: I remember you saying, hey, he was a coordinator a

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Speaker 5: million morton.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, eight years ago I reported that he could

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Speaker 10: not connect with the players, and they kind of turned

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Speaker 10: on him. Sure, and unfortunately they didn't turn on here.

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Speaker 10: They just didn't buy in. Yeah, it is really look

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Speaker 10: it coaches growing involved. He's not a bad coach. It's

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Speaker 10: just you got to understand it's a player's game. And

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Speaker 10: Dan Campbell, which is interesting, the second time he's did it,

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Speaker 10: he's done this. He did it his first year in

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty one. He replaced Anthony Linnis a play caller.

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Speaker 8: Now that was odd. I mean, the timing was ridiculous

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Speaker 8: that they were ready oh to eight.

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Speaker 10: But when you ever winning a record and you do it,

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Speaker 10: it's not aaron, it's not quite the way you usually

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Speaker 8: And so far, so good.

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Speaker 3: Adam Caplin joining us here on our friends Giving special

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Speaker 3: on this Thanksgiving on Fox Sports Radio. He has aeron Torres.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dan Byer sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today on

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Speaker 3: this holiday tonight, it's the return of Joe Burrow. He

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Speaker 3: matter of fact says, if I'm healthy, I'm going to play.

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Speaker 3: Was there any question, considering the loss last week in

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Speaker 3: New England three games back, the tough task of maybe

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Speaker 3: not playing Joe Burrow for Cincinnati.

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Speaker 10: No, it's here's the thing. They're technically still alive for

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Speaker 10: a wild card spot. That is why you would play

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Speaker 10: him in week thirteen. He really the word around the

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Speaker 10: club was he probably could have played last week. Remember,

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Speaker 10: he had a severe left turf toe injury. And he is,

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Speaker 10: as Jake Glazier put out, he he borrow told him

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Speaker 10: he was, so he is so many weeks ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 10: It's pretty impressive. Now to Higgins got lit up. He

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Speaker 10: had a really bad concussion. I don't know how long

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Speaker 10: he's gonna be out for. He's on playing this week.

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Speaker 10: That does hurt them now, I know that Dan. The

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Speaker 10: Bengals were, they were encouraged with the way that they

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Speaker 10: competed last week against the Patriots.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they blew that game.

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Speaker 10: They were up ten nothing, I think, and they their

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Speaker 10: defense actually was pretty good. But their defense mostly has

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Speaker 10: been non competitive. And you know it's it's ironic. They

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Speaker 10: fired lou Anaroumo, right, he's now the Cults defense coordinator,

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Speaker 10: and look look how the Cults have done.

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Speaker 8: Funny things work out, Adam.

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Speaker 5: I want to go to the earlier game.

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously, Casey Cowboys. I was just talking to

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Speaker 4: Dan about this. I was saying about big picture Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: I find them to be one a good watch for sure,

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Speaker 4: but then two kind of a sympathetic team with the

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Speaker 4: way that deck just you know, the chaos never got

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Speaker 4: to him this summer. And I want to ask you,

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Speaker 4: I know that I was one of many that not

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Speaker 4: only had you know, doubts about Brian Schottenheimer, but openly

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Speaker 4: kind of mocked the higher And they're five to five.

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Speaker 8: And we're not the only one.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, And that's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I'm not saying they're winning the division. I'm not

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Speaker 4: saying they're winning the Super Bowl. What has the vibe

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Speaker 4: been in that locker room in that building? Because it

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Speaker 4: seemed and by the way, five to five to one,

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Speaker 4: the offense is certainly not the problem. What has just

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Speaker 4: how he's been received as a head coach, and then

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Speaker 4: what the conversation is about him as a head coach

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Speaker 4: around the league.

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Speaker 8: So, okay, here's what happened. Here's kind of the way

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Speaker 8: I understood it.

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Speaker 10: And I'm gonna give you some background on Shotty so

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Speaker 10: Shoddy coach is hard, He's hard on his players. He

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Speaker 10: was brought in specifically to coach Russell Wilson hard in

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty. He did a phenomenal job. He was behind

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Speaker 10: let Russ cook. That was his idea to come out throwing.

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Speaker 10: He's done a phenomenal job. He's taking their offense to

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Speaker 10: another level. I get it, Georg Pickens helps, but you're right, Aaron.

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Speaker 10: It's not their offense. It's their defense, which is supposed

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Speaker 10: to be mostly been terrible. Quite frankly, Legal should have

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Speaker 10: put up forty last week easy. They had nine penalties

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Speaker 10: in the second half, two turnovers. So Matty Eberflus, who's

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Speaker 10: an old school he plays basically mostly his own it

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Speaker 10: is not worked after Mike. It didn't work with Zimmer.

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Speaker 10: Now what they do like is they've changed their defensive front.

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Speaker 10: They're now playing a five man front. They're playing three

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Speaker 10: d tackles and two edges and they I know the

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Speaker 10: Raiders are bad, but they shut down the Raiders after

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Speaker 10: a rough first half day a really good job in

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Speaker 10: the second half. So the vibe is good. The vibe

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Speaker 10: is good. Now they're still out of the playoff race

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Speaker 10: here they it's going to be very hard.

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Speaker 8: I mean it's.

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Speaker 10: Not impossible. They're two and a half games back. But

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Speaker 10: this is this is basically as I said for the

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Speaker 10: Philly game, I thought that was a muster to win.

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Speaker 10: They got to win this game and then you know,

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Speaker 10: that's It's just it's funny how things work out. If

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Speaker 10: they win this game, then they got to play the

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Speaker 10: desperate lines team in Detroit next Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Adam kavilin joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, I

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Speaker 3: got one last one for you since you mentioned the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: So now they fired Chip Kelly. They were frightful.

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Speaker 8: Fired by the way. That was that that had to happen.

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Speaker 8: But that's another story.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, and you mentioned Brian Schottenheimer and Pete

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Speaker 3: Carroll and Carroll even talking about it says that they

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Speaker 3: want to win with defense and special teams, some paraphrazing game.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I don't know how much you

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Speaker 3: can do that in today's NFL. What is going on

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Speaker 3: with the Raiders? And I guess my ultimate question, could

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Speaker 3: it be one and done for Pete Carroll this year?

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Speaker 8: I would be surprised.

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Speaker 10: There are too many hands in the cookie jar when

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Speaker 10: they hired that too many peat pot of pinges on

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Speaker 10: hiring Chip Kelly, I might have staying on the contract.

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Speaker 10: It was a three year deal worth eighteen million, highest

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Speaker 10: paid offense coordinator I believe in NFL history. Just ridiculous contract,

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Speaker 10: Chip Kelly. The thing is Pete wants run him and

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Speaker 10: Schottenheimer didn't. They didn't get along. You know, I've told

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Speaker 10: you this many times Dan over the years. It was

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Speaker 10: it was just a bad match shot. He did a

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Speaker 10: great job, but Pete does not want the quarterback to be effectory.

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Speaker 10: Wants the running game of defense. And by the way,

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Speaker 10: he also fired Tom McMahon. Pete Carroll did the offense

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Speaker 10: the e season, the special teams coach two weeks ago,

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Speaker 10: so they're a total mess. Ashton Genty, he's just what

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Speaker 10: you're seeing is now with with a better play call

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Speaker 10: and schemer, he'll be better next season. But nothing is

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Speaker 10: worked man gens A. He's a run after contact running

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Speaker 10: back that's old school that he doesn't really fit today's

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Speaker 10: NFL very well. But they're a nightmare and Gino Smith

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Speaker 10: has had a rough season. You can make the argument

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Speaker 10: everyone says the Jets are the worst, and it's not

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Speaker 10: that I'm going to disagree with anyone. The Jets are

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Speaker 10: terrible and Tennessee's got the worst record, But they have

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Speaker 10: a quarterback and I know a bunch of offensive coaches

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Speaker 10: would love to have that job because Kim Work could play.

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Speaker 10: He just needs talent around him and a little bit

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Speaker 10: of our coaching. But the Raiders are an absolute dumpster fire.

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Speaker 10: They're They're really bad, and the problem is they don't

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Speaker 10: have a lot of good players.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're always thankful for Adam Kaplan, who's never a

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Speaker 3: dumpster fire when he judds us, especially on Thanksgiving and Friendsgiving,

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Speaker 3: wytn't you sit by the fire, kick the feed up

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Speaker 3: and watch them foot fall for the rest of the day. Adam,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much, Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving. Adam Kaplan, Sports

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Speaker 3: Grid Inside the Birds podcast at Kaplan NFL on X

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Speaker 3: joins me and Carrie Rhoades every Sunday on end Zone

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Speaker 3: Radio on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, it's Stan Byer here.

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Speaker 3: Sesame Street helped to raise all of us. Now it's

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Speaker 3: our turn. Donate this holiday season at Sesame dot org

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Speaker 3: because the world needs Sesame and Sesame needs you. Aaron

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Speaker 3: Torres running shotgun on this Friends Giving in for Doug

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Speaker 3: Gottlieb on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Moncey Milanios box of

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Speaker 3: wine and so much more at the news desk, giving

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Speaker 3: us the latest of what's happening. What's going on, Monty.

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Speaker 11: Foxwine, No, I would bring I'm bringing real wine on

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Speaker 11: the box wine.

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Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 6: Come on, come on now, I.

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Speaker 5: Can't you finished all the box wine in the carpet.

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Speaker 5: Do stop.

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Speaker 6: We're not gonna We're not gonna tell that to the listeners.

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Speaker 12: I can't not hear Adam Kaplan calling Brian Schottenheimer shoddy

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Speaker 12: like I think Shorty like shoddy.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 5: He said it took me a second first time, and

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Speaker 5: I was like, oh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, no, just gonna be like shorty.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, good guy, Shorty, because you know I get called

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Speaker 12: that a lot.

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Speaker 6: But guys, Thanksgiving, friends Giving, I thought you meant that's

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Speaker 6: what I'm.

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Speaker 3: Saying, not like that, right.

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Speaker 6: He was about to sing an R and B song.

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Speaker 3: I'm about to break it down with your shot. Ah.

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Speaker 6: But that's what I met.

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Speaker 5: That's what I met.

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Speaker 11: The first of three magups today in the NFL, still

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Speaker 11: going in Detroit. You have Jared Goff out there blocking

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Speaker 11: for Jamison Williams. Now the Lions are losing by ten

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Speaker 11: to the Packers. It's thirty one to twenty one, still

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Speaker 11: early in the fourth quarter, but Jordan Love has own

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Speaker 11: four touchdown passes, two of them came on fourth down.

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Speaker 11: He is sixteen of twenty six for two hundred and

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Speaker 11: ten yards, while Jared Goff is fourteen of seventeen for

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Speaker 11: one hundred and seventy four yards and two touchdowns. The

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Speaker 11: Lions currently have the ball and they are driving there

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Speaker 11: at Green Bay's twenty.

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Speaker 6: Eight yard line.

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Speaker 12: Other games that are coming up Chiefs and Cowboys that's

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Speaker 12: at four thirty Eastern time, and the Bengals and the

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Speaker 12: Ravens that's at a twenty Eastern time. And yes, Joe

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Speaker 12: Burrow is expected to start for Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5: Colts.

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Speaker 12: Quarterback Daniel Jones apparently suffered a fracture in his fibula.

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Speaker 12: The NFL network is reporting that he was a full

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Speaker 12: participant in practice and that he's going to attempt to

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Speaker 12: play through it for Week thirteen against the Texans. There

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Speaker 12: is a video on social media of him not looking

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Speaker 12: that good. I don't know exactly if it's just like

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Speaker 12: a bad video for a moment, but it looked like

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Speaker 12: he was not moving the way you would want your

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Speaker 12: quarterback to move. Okay, Giants sid quarterback Jackson dar has

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Speaker 12: cleared concussion protocol, putting him in line to play Monday

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Speaker 12: Night football against the Patriots. When it comes to college football,

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Speaker 12: multiple reports Missouri has agreed to a six year contract

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Speaker 12: with coach Eli Drinkwitz. It includes an average annual salary

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Speaker 12: of ten points seventy five million and expanded resources for

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Speaker 12: his staff through the twenty thirty one season. In the NBA,

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Speaker 12: Warriors anticipate that stuff. Curry is going to miss about

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Speaker 12: a week or so. He's suffered a quo contusion last

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Speaker 12: night against the Houston Rockets, and in golf, two time

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Speaker 12: Major champion Fuzzy Zeller has passed away at the age

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Speaker 12: of seventy four.

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Speaker 6: Back to you guys, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Monty lines right now, facing a fourth and three down

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Speaker 3: ten with eleven minutes to go at the Green Bay

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Speaker 3: twenty one yard line. Jamison Williams drops the football. Aaron,

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Speaker 3: this puts them if they would have kicked the field

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Speaker 3: goal in this situation, it's a seven point game, there's

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Speaker 3: under eleven minutes to go. I understand the whole go

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Speaker 3: for it, go for it deal golf. Throw it behind

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Speaker 3: Jamison Williams and they don't convert, but now Green Bay

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Speaker 3: can run the ball, work the clock, and it's still

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Speaker 3: a two score game. Like that's just I understand like

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Speaker 3: having conviction and what you do, but there's also times

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Speaker 3: that you have to save yourself from yourself, and I

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Speaker 3: think the Lions have missed a huge opportunity to at

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Speaker 3: least make it a one score game. And if you

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Speaker 3: want to get you know, if you want to put

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Speaker 3: your chest out on the next possession, score a touchdown

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Speaker 3: and goal for two, take the lead that way. This

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Speaker 3: was not the not the place to do it for

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Speaker 3: Detroit in my opinion.

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Speaker 5: So I'll be quick here, But I don't know if

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Speaker 5: you've ever heard the audio.

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Speaker 4: Of JJ Reddick yelling at me on his podcast before

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Speaker 4: he became the Lakers head coach.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure i've at least be passing told you the story.

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Speaker 4: But the the the the line that he used, and

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Speaker 4: it was about two versus threes whatever about me. He said,

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Speaker 4: it's a math equation, f head, And he didn't use fhead.

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Speaker 3: He extended it out, it's Thanksgiving, we keep it clean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Dan Campbell, it's a math equation. F head

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Speaker 4: kicked the field goal, and I agree with the hundred

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Speaker 4: percent is that. I understand aggression is your ethos, all

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Speaker 4: of that, but it really is a math equation. You know,

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Speaker 4: nothing's guaranteed, but you know it's right around what what

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Speaker 4: would you know, what would be a chip shot field goal?

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Speaker 5: You kick it there.

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Speaker 4: It is a one score game obviously, you know Dan

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Speaker 4: Campbell chose otherwise, And like I said, I'm all for

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Speaker 4: being aggressive, but it's a equation kick the field goal

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Speaker 4: to make it a one score game.

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Speaker 3: He's erin as I'm Dan Byer on this friends Giving

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Speaker 3: here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, We've got

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Speaker 3: our Tirac Play of the day, plus we get the

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Speaker 3: crew and family together to play a game, as we

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Speaker 3: only do on this friends Giving. He's erin Torres. I'm

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Speaker 3: Dan Byer on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. It's

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Speaker 2: the Buyer and Torres Friendsgiving on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dan Byer. He is eron Torres. Welcome in, Everyone

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Speaker 3: is welcome on this friends Giving. A Thanksgiving. Find Aaron

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Speaker 3: at Aaron Underscore Tours. You can find me at Dan

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Speaker 3: Byer on Fox Time now for our Tirac Play of

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Speaker 3: Now time for the Tyrac Player of the Day, And.

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Speaker 13: Here's the snaplove looks downfield lofts it left side going

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Speaker 13: for Wix over the shoulder catches made. Is it a touchdown?

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Speaker 13: A tumbling grab in the left side of the end zone,

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Speaker 13: A touchdown or not? Yes, it's a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: One of four touchdown passes for Jordan Love on the day,

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Speaker 3: two of them to Dontavian Wicks on WR and W

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Speaker 3: and the Packers Radio Network. They continue to lead Detroit

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Speaker 3: thirty one twenty one. Now with under nine minutes to

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Speaker 3: go in Motown. There's a game in Detroit, and there's

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Speaker 3: a game right now on this Franks Giving. Let's the

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Speaker 3: Friends Giving. Let's play it.

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Speaker 2: This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: Frank'sgiving is in June when all these Franks just get

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Speaker 3: together and they have hot dogs. That's what it is.

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Speaker 8: Months.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Monty.

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Speaker 5: Baughter of Frank Reignow coming out of return.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is good, good call. That would have been

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Speaker 3: much better, Yes, much better off.

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Speaker 6: They both worked. They both worked, all right, Yes, monsie.

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Speaker 3: What do you got for the game today?

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Speaker 6: Well, we are playing.

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Speaker 2: I feel a draft.

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Speaker 12: That's right, guys, We're gonna be drafting probably just one

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Speaker 12: time around, based on the time, our favorite sports day

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Speaker 12: on the calendar. You know how there's certain days throughout

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Speaker 12: the year that like pertains to a particular sport holiday.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's a holiday. It doesn't have to put

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Speaker 6: You get what I'm saying. So we're gonna draft in disorder.

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Speaker 6: It'll go Ian, then Me, then Ryan, then Aaron, and

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Speaker 6: we'll end with you. Dan Ian kick us off.

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Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, I mean I I'm going with to me.

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Speaker 7: This is the clear number one choice is Christmas because

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Speaker 7: that's the day that you get awesome NBA games and

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Speaker 7: awesome NFL games. Now because the NFL is starting to

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Speaker 7: slowly take over, not even slowly takeover for themselves, but yeah,

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Speaker 7: Christmas is always great games and those are two of

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Speaker 7: my favorite sports.

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Speaker 6: So easy pick for me, that is an easy one, Ryan,

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Speaker 6: what you got?

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, thinking, thinking, but I'm want to go

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Speaker 3: with the fourth of July. Nice, all right, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Merca little baseballs sitting in a little baseball. There's Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: There's also you know, could be soccer World Cup at times.

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Speaker 6: At times, yes, so I kind of want to piggyback.

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Speaker 6: I'm next, I'm gonna piggyback a little bit on Ryan.

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Speaker 6: And it's not that it's a holiday, but it's a

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Speaker 6: day in sports to meet.

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Speaker 12: Because you said fourth of July, I actually prefer Opening

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Speaker 12: Day for baseball, Like the grasses are the best that

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Speaker 12: they're gonna look, all the flags are out, everyone's excited.

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Speaker 12: It's the time of year where the sun is out,

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Speaker 12: and so it's like a holiday for me. Opening Day

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Speaker 12: of baseball. I love that day.

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Speaker 4: My favorite thing about Opening Day is like when a

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Speaker 4: bad team in bad weather, like the Colorado Rocket or something,

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Speaker 4: they'll sell like completely sell out, and then the next

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Speaker 4: day they play a day game and there's like twelve

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Speaker 4: thousand people in a forty five thousand seat stadium.

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Speaker 3: Well also Bajor League Baseball, they'll have Opening Day and

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Speaker 3: then they'll have a day off.

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Speaker 6: The essays, right, Yes, that's annoying.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 3: Part of the reason too, is if there's bad weather,

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Speaker 3: there's so much value in the Mantis point about opening

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Speaker 3: Day that you then try to play the next day,

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Speaker 3: so people who have tickets for that day, because otherwise,

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Speaker 3: if you had tickets for the next day, then you're

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Speaker 3: kind of like, well, we just overpaid for Opening Day, right,

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Speaker 3: So that allows you to at least get that premium.

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Speaker 6: Sure, yes, exactly, all right, add on your next All.

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Speaker 4: Right, so I'm gonna throw a little bit of a curveball.

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Speaker 4: I will go college basketball. No, I will say the

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Speaker 4: Friday of Championship week is my favorite day of the year.

867
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: It's when all the tournaments are going on, all the

868
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: bad teams have eliminated, all the good teams are playing

869
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 4: each other. I've said for years that week is actually

870
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: bet more favorite. I like it more than the opening

871
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 4: week of the NCAA tournament. I know, I gotta be quick,

872
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 4: that's my answer.

873
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: That's all right. I'm gonna just wrap it up and

874
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: say this because it's not happening much anymore. But there

875
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: was nothing like New Year's Day and college football. There's

876
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: nothing with all the bowl games and now we're getting

877
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 3: less and least, but there are still some playoff games

878
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: that are taking place on New Year's Day. But there

879
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 3: was nothing like that feel of sitting back and watching

880
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 3: the Patch and Tree of College football.

881
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: Game. This is game time on the Doug Gottlief Show.

882
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: It's not game for the Lions, as Jamis and Williams

883
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: has just taking the football in the Green Bay territory.

884
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: So the Lions down ten. I'll have it first and

885
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: ten at the twenty five. He's Aaron, I'm Dan. It's

886
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: friends Giving on Fox. On this friends Giving on Thanksgiving.

887
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: We're all friends here. Welcome in. If you're in the

888
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: car cruising a round. Thanks so much for joining us.

889
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: You're a part of our family here today on this

890
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: friends Giving. We aren't the only ones Aaron and I

891
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: sitting here. Aaron, you are in the great city of

892
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: Las Vegas. Were you at the Players Era tournament over

893
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: this over this past week or what were your travel plans?

894
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 5: I was got in about.

895
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: I actually got in Monday, went straight to the arena,

896
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 4: and I know this will maybe be a topic later.

897
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: Very good basketball, not a very good event from pretty

898
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 4: much anything other than what happened on the court. Okay,

899
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 4: all right, Well that's good basketb trying. You know, it's

900
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: friends giving. I'm trying to be glass as half full,

901
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: but it's got some work to do a big picture.

902
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: So well, Manzi just told you that the Lions and

903
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: Packers are in the fourth quarter with just over three

904
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: minutes to go. It's still a ten point green Bay lead.

905
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: DeVante Wyatt is injured for green Bay and it appears

906
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: to be a significant injury. So Detroit has yet to

907
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: have their fourth down play where they will likely have

908
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: to kick a field goal after Jared Goff was sacked

909
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: on a third down by Micah Parsons, who's been here,

910
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: there and everywhere today, so the Lions are likely to

911
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: attempt to make it a seven point game. They have

912
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: all three of their timeouts remaining, but three point fifteen

913
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: to go, and just a tough injury spot for the Packers,

914
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: but they have the ten point lead right now in

915
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: Detroit likely to attempt a field goal here to try

916
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: to make it a seven point game. I don't think

917
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: it's the biggest game in the state of Michigan this weekend.

918
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: Aaron Torres sure, and it comes up on Saturday as

919
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: Ohio State the number one ranked team in the country,

920
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: takes on fifteenth ranked Michigan Buckeyes come in as a

921
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: nine and a half point favorite, But the numbers of

922
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: rankings and point spreads none of it matters with these

923
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: two teams as Michigan looks for their fifth straight win

924
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: and Ohio State looks to just end the misery that

925
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: has been the last four years of the matchup of

926
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: these two rivals in the game. But for as great

927
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: as Lions Packers is right now, there is no doubt

928
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: it is playing second fiddle for the biggest game in

929
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: Michigan this weekend.

930
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you this.

931
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 4: You know, obviously being around Vegas one, you know Michigan

932
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 4: literally their basketball team was here all week, so you

933
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: see a lot of Michigan fans in and around town.

934
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 5: But I saw some Ohio State gear.

935
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: Actually went to the Golden Knights game last night, saw

936
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: some Ohio State gear.

937
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 5: But I bring it up because, you know.

938
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 4: You just kind of chat with people in the hotel

939
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: lobby whatever.

940
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 5: It's interesting.

941
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: Ohio State fans definitive think that this is the year

942
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: they get their revenge.

943
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 5: And I don't think it's a false bravado.

944
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: I think they truly believe that, and Michigan fans are

945
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 4: kind of like, yeah, we own them.

946
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 5: Well, we're going for five for five.

947
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 4: So it is interesting to me that it does feel

948
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: like both fan bases are weirdly confident coming into this one,

949
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 4: even though I know that Ohio State is a double

950
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 4: digit favorite.

951
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: And I may be the exception to the rule of

952
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: no sigarette. I've been an Ohio State fan since I

953
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: was about seven years old. So this game, Aaron, it

954
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: honestly is sometimes difficult to even talk about because of

955
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: the strain that it puts on just myself and my

956
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: whole being. This is for as great as the playoff

957
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: run was last year for Ohio State, I truly believe that,

958
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: and Nick Saban may disagree and others may disagree, But

959
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: now that you've won the national championship, this Saturday is

960
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: all that matters. And the overconfidence me is shocking because

961
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: last year, if that tells you anything about this rivalry,

962
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: last year was the year that Ohio State should have

963
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: won that football game. That was the no brainer in

964
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 3: all the years of the no brainers of this rivalry.

965
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: And I've seen everyone, basically Aaron from about the mid

966
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: nineteen eighties until now. There are a few upstarts. When

967
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 3: Jim Tressel went in to ann Arbor in two thousand

968
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: and one and ended up winning that game and in

969
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: his first game, and from what he said when he

970
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 3: got the job, it was still a bit of a surprise.

971
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 3: It was a surprising outcome. And last year was even

972
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: more so with how dominant what Ohio State was and

973
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: Michigan and their injuries and really how the game played out.

974
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: And that's why I find it so surprising that Ohio

975
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: fans would be overconfidence in this scenario. I don't know

976
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: if they believe that Ryan Day has changed. I'm not

977
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 3: sure if now that the playoff run is happened, that

978
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: it's a different Ryan Day and that's going to change everything,

979
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: because I just think it's much bigger than that. I

980
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: think it's the rivalry. I think it's the moment. I

981
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: think it's each play. I think it's the prep every

982
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: single day that you have with your team throughout the

983
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 3: entire year that you're planning for this game. So it's

984
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: crazy to me to think that Ohio State would feel

985
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: any sort of overconfidence heading into Saturday.

986
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, And obviously one very small sample size.

987
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 5: I'm just speaking about. You know, I don't know in.

988
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 4: Your circles if that reflects outside of your personal opinion

989
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: how everybody else feels.

990
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 5: But you know what I would say is a couple

991
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 5: of things.

992
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 4: Is one I agree obviously, like if Michigan can win

993
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: the game last year, they could absolutely do it at home.

994
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: I think what's kind of interesting is and j Martin

995
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 4: I talked about it Jason Martin and I who I

996
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: know filled in for two pros this morning, we talked

997
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 4: about it on our show, is that Michigan has to

998
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 4: be the quietest nine and two team in the history

999
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 4: of college football.

1000
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 5: Like just end listen.

1001
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 4: It's not pretty. You know offenses. You know what Michigan's

1002
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 4: offense is. The defense isn't as good as it's been

1003
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 4: a couple scheduling breaks with obviously no Oregon, no Michigan

1004
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: this year.

1005
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 5: But the counter to that is they are nine.

1006
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: And two coming into this game, and you know, you

1007
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 4: go back to last year and they were what six

1008
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: and five coming into the game. So and it's at home,

1009
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of variables in Michigan's favor I

1010
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: want to ask you just a big picture question Dan

1011
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 4: is Ryan Day. So listen, it's he's basically and earned

1012
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: that national championship last year. You know, incredible run deserves

1013
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: every piece of positive praise that he's got. And I

1014
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 4: say that as someone who was critical, you know, especially

1015
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 4: coming out of last year's game, when everything was lined up,

1016
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: twenty million dollar roster, you couldn't get the job done. Whatever,

1017
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 4: But I just want to ask you, does feel kind

1018
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 4: of like a total free roll for him? Since the

1019
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: day that confetti fell against Notre Dame last January? What

1020
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 4: do you think the reaction would be on Ryan Day?

1021
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: Let me let me set it up for people who

1022
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 4: might not know. Is that, you know, one, a fifth

1023
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 4: straight loss to Michigan. Two, we don't know all of

1024
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: the tie breakers. Probably a pretty good chance you are

1025
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: not going to the Big Ten championship game. Potentially a

1026
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 4: year where you have been number one in every college

1027
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 4: football playoff pole, you might not even get that first

1028
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 4: round by depending on how things go. So listen, I'm

1029
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 4: not talking about hot seat. I'm not talking about this.

1030
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about that. He's he's the rightful coach.

1031
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 4: He's been awesome this year. He's been awesome throughout his

1032
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 4: career with the Michigan bugaboo exception. I'm just curious, like,

1033
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 4: what would the message boards be like on Saturday if there,

1034
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 4: in fact is a fifth straight loss again with a

1035
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: team that is very comfortably favored, this time going into

1036
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 4: ann Arbor.

1037
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that there's a lot there. And

1038
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: I'll quick tell you Detroit made the field goal, so

1039
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: it's thirty one twenty four. Green Bay, though, just converted

1040
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: the third and five, so Detroit has got one time out,

1041
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: two forty three left to go. Packers up seven. I

1042
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: think that if Wihire were to lose this game the

1043
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: placing that you see in the bracket, the same fans

1044
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: that are over confident heading into this game and thinking

1045
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: that this is all Ohio State will also think like, well,

1046
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: we'll just do what we did last year. We'll just

1047
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: run the table. We'll just win the four games, and

1048
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 3: then Ohio State will win a national championship. And that

1049
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 3: is that is not the case. I actually think the

1050
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: thing that was Ohio State was criticized for last year

1051
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 3: was trying to run the football and be physical with Michigan,

1052
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: no doubt. But the crazy thing is Aaron with that

1053
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: was that was actually a complaint the previous three years

1054
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: prior now, Ohio State actually had a chance to beat

1055
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: Michigan in Ann Arbor two years ago. They had a

1056
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: drive near the end of the game ended up stalling

1057
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,959
Speaker 3: in Michigan territory. They were down five, but Ohio State

1058
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: was really moving the football at that point, whether they

1059
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: get it into the end zone or not. But Cale

1060
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: McCord ended up getting hit and ball ended up getting

1061
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: picked off and that was the end of the game.

1062
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: But Ohio State I don't think matched Michigan's physicality those

1063
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: previous three games in those losses. So I understand that

1064
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: if you're Ryan Day and you're Chip Kelly at that point,

1065
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: you're like, hey, not only do we have the horses,

1066
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 3: like we can beat them at their own game, and

1067
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: they missed a couple of field goals. Honestly, Will Howard

1068
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: got dinged up in that game. I don't know if

1069
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 3: he was right after he got dinged up in the

1070
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: second quarter, he seemed to be flustered. They couldn't do

1071
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: anything with the passing game, and Michigan has a lot

1072
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: to do with that in how Ohio State can or

1073
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: can't move the ball through the air, weather is also

1074
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: a factor. I hear fans down playing weather. It's gonna

1075
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: be cold, it's gonna be thirty degrees, there may be

1076
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: snow flurries, there may be winter elements, and I think

1077
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: that you would rather run the ball in those situations

1078
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: than pass the ball. So I think that's caught up

1079
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: with them. But I do think that there is an

1080
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: overconfidence in terms of thinking that Ohio State just has

1081
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: the better players. So if they don't win this game,

1082
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: I think that there is a fraction of the fans

1083
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: that'll just say we just care about the playoffs. Someone

1084
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: who's had this rivalry ruined their days and weeks and

1085
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 3: years for forty years because the outcome didn't fall in there.

1086
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: The two thousands, by the way, were pretty awesome, Like

1087
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: it was ruined then like during that time. Same thing

1088
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 3: with about the twenty teams. But prior to that, like

1089
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 3: it's stunk. It consumes you. Monty and I have done

1090
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: shows together. I've told her it all matters is November

1091
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 3: twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, Like, this is the game,

1092
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: and I'm surprised that others aren't aren't thinking like that.

1093
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: It's also a unique rivalry and the reason I want

1094
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: to play this clip A couple of reasons because Dan

1095
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio, Two Pros and

1096
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: a Cup of Joe Here on Fox Sports Radio. Brady

1097
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: Quinn one of the Pros and Two Pros. He was

1098
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: on with Dan Patrick earlier this week and they had

1099
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: a conversation. Aaron and Dan kind of set it up

1100
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: in trying to ask Brady about the Michigan Ohio state

1101
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: rivalry comparing to a rivalry that is near and dear

1102
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: to Brady Quinn's heart. Here was their exchange earlier this

1103
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 3: week on Fox Sports Radio.

1104
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 10: How would you compare Notre Dame USC to Michigan and

1105
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 10: Ohio state rivalry.

1106
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: Well, I grew up.

1107
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 14: In Columbus, Ohio, So I've got a pretty good idea

1108
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 14: of the differences between the two only because of the

1109
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 14: nature of both schools, how close they are in proximity,

1110
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 14: the types of players that they traditionally recruit in both states,

1111
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 14: you know, the top players, and so it's just an

1112
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 14: entirely different feel between the two because they're both two

1113
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 14: Midwest schools, and so it's not a battle of culture

1114
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 14: where you get that a little bit with you know,

1115
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 14: Catholicism and Notre Dame in the Midwest versus like this

1116
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 14: so cal laid back, like let's go out and surf,

1117
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 14: and I don't want to believe in anything or I

1118
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 14: believe in everything. So it's a very stark contrast between

1119
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 14: the two fan bases for SC Notre Dame versus what

1120
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 14: you get in Michigan and Ohio State. I mean, these are,

1121
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 14: you know, two programs and two schools who know that

1122
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 14: you know each other so well. There's so much history

1123
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 14: behind it, just in regards to even the coaching staffs

1124
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 14: and all of that. So I would say with Notre

1125
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 14: DAMESC there's tradition, there's history, there's both schools kind of

1126
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 14: honoring at least used too. I don't know if that

1127
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 14: tradition will continue, but honoring kind of the differences between

1128
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 14: the two.

1129
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: With Ohio State Michigan, I.

1130
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 14: Don't feel like either or honoring anything. I feel like

1131
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 14: it's a he it's you against us, and that's all

1132
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 14: that matters this one day every year, and depending on

1133
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 14: the outcome, we're never going to forget it. For the

1134
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 14: diner in sixty four days, regardless of how well our

1135
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 14: team does in the playoff, for even winning a national championship.

1136
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: That is a perfect summation. I think of this rivalry

1137
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: from Brady Quinn and he knows it and it's true,

1138
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 3: and I feel he backs up what I said of

1139
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: like what this game is. And it's also there's the

1140
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: geographic angle of it of you have two schools bordering

1141
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: states close to each other. There's that there. I don't

1142
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: want to say basically the same, but that's kind of

1143
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: the point that radius putting up as you have this

1144
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: two different entities kinds of with Notre Dame and USC,

1145
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: and you almost have two identical entities in Michigan and

1146
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: Ohio State. Now I don't know if either school would

1147
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: want to admit that, but it is, you know, similar

1148
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: to that, and there is there is no nostalgia, no

1149
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: one everybody knows it, but no one wants to admit

1150
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: that you can't be one without the other. Like there's

1151
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: just even in the down years, like when Ohio State

1152
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: was winning and you know, Rich Rodriguez was there, like

1153
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: and this is in the late aughts. I went to

1154
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: I've been to two Ohio State Michigan games one and

1155
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: O six, which was one versus two a game of

1156
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: the century, and then two years later, when there wasn't

1157
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: that hype in Ohio State won forty two to seven,

1158
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 3: and it was a completely different feel when you don't

1159
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 3: have competitive teams. And that's what I feel is so

1160
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: different about this And it's not to disregard Michigan's success

1161
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,479
Speaker 3: during the early part of this short winning streak eraan

1162
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 3: but what is so unique with this rival and I'm

1163
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: using in air quotes, and I think you'll understand what

1164
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: I mean is the better team isn't winning. And what

1165
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean by that is Ohio State can sit there

1166
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: and say, we've won the national championship, look at what

1167
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: we've done recruiting, look at what we've done with our victories,

1168
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 3: look at who we've beat. But you can't beat Michigan.

1169
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: And it's not to say that Michigan has been less

1170
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: than in the last couple of years, but that's not it.

1171
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 3: But that is also what has turned this rivalry, I think,

1172
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years to be so so

1173
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 3: annoying and so frustrating for Ohio State fans because they

1174
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 3: feel they have the quote and I'm using the air quotes,

1175
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 3: better team, but the better team is never winning this game.

1176
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: And that is just so frustrating.

1177
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was funny.

1178
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 4: You know, I referenced We're at the Golden Knights game

1179
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 4: last night and there were some people from Michigan behind us,

1180
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 4: and you know, kind of over hear them talking about

1181
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: the game whatever we're talking about.

1182
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 5: How you know Michigan's.

1183
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 4: The only one that really has a trump card over

1184
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: Ohio State right now? Right is that you know, you

1185
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 4: know who knows that Ohio State has the better roster

1186
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 4: at least last year than Michigan did. Michigan fans, Yes,

1187
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 4: and you don't think that, you know, for the last

1188
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty four days, Hey, congrats on that, Natty,

1189
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 4: but guess what, you still didn't beat us.

1190
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: And oh, by the way, we know that we did

1191
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 5: not have the superior roster.

1192
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: So I think that's a very interesting dynamic in all

1193
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: that is that you know, one Michigan right now, for

1194
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 4: as long as they have this winning streak, you know

1195
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 4: they're gonna be kind of on this moral high ground,

1196
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 4: not moral, but you know this high ground of hey,

1197
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 4: we had to beat you guys to win that national championship.

1198
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: We didn't just get to backdoor our way into a

1199
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 4: twelve team playoff and then Oh, by the way, you

1200
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 4: still can't beat us, and you got to break getting

1201
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 4: into that twelve team playoff. And if there was no

1202
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 4: twelve team playoff, you're not national champs. So it'll be

1203
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 4: interesting at some point, and I think it, you know,

1204
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 4: very easily, could be as early as Saturday. That rivalry

1205
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: is gonna flip. And when it does, you know, Michigan

1206
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 4: won't have the like to stand on. Yes, they'll have

1207
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 4: the four straight wins, but Ohio State will have the

1208
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 4: most recent national championship in that time, the most recent win.

1209
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 4: But I just bring it up because for right now,

1210
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 4: Michigan fans should be pouting out their chest heading into sect.

1211
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 3: It's also why the cheating scandal was such a hot topic,

1212
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: because Ohio State is saying we have the better team

1213
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 3: and the only reason that you win. That's not entirely true,

1214
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: but is that you did this and Michigan did this

1215
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 3: and went to these lengths because of what had happened

1216
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: in the previous two decades. Right like, there's something in

1217
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 3: place for Michigan to try to get over this hump.

1218
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: That's the argument, and that's at the crux of it all.

1219
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: So the whole counter stallion saga is all based on

1220
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: this rivalry, and there may be other schools that they

1221
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: scouted to try to win that national championship, but it

1222
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 3: all is based on what happens with Ohio State and

1223
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: Michigan and that outcome of that game at the end

1224
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: of November. That's what it all comes down to. And

1225
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: it's funny because now, Aaron, you'll hear a lot of

1226
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 3: this countdown of days since Michigan or Ohio State beat Michigan.

1227
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: I've seen it over the last couple of years. The

1228
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: Columbus Dispatch, I believe, had a countdown like that basically

1229
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: through the two thousands up until you know, twenty nineteen,

1230
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: where you would have various days and it would be

1231
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: a crazy amount of days that would say it's been

1232
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: X amount of days since Michigan beat Ohio State. Now

1233
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: that is turned and it's used against Ohio State fans

1234
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: and they're living about hearing that, you know, hearing that number,

1235
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: and Michigan fans are happily claiming it and pointing to

1236
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: it and saying, yeah, it's been this long and it

1237
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: could be another three hundred and sixty five. But both

1238
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: teams use the same sort of ammunition to try to

1239
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 3: get under the skin of their.

1240
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 4: Rival fascinating times and so real quick, just what is

1241
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 4: Dan Byer's overall take on the game? Because Ohio State

1242
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: does have the better team, but this game is in Michigan.

1243
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 5: I would argue the gap between the two teams is

1244
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 5: smaller this year.

1245
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 4: So it's one thing to say that you don't have

1246
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 4: the confidence or you know, arrogance of we're going to

1247
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 4: go and win, But how do you you know, definitively,

1248
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: but how do you actually feel about it?

1249
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 3: There all? Honestly, it's running game is is has not

1250
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,479
Speaker 3: been as great as they would have hoped throughout this year.

1251
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 3: Bo Jackson's the guy that's kind of taken the lead

1252
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: on that, and I think you're gonna have to lean

1253
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: on that running game. They've tried a bunch of different plays.

1254
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: I think the health of Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate

1255
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: is obviously a big, big part of it. But the

1256
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: biggest name I think in all of this is Andrew

1257
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: marsh I think for Michigan, the freshman wide receiver. We

1258
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: may talk about Bryce Underwood, we may talk about Julian

1259
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 3: sand and those guys are going to have to make

1260
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: plays in their first game, the you know of the game.

1261
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: But Andrew Marsh being the threat on the outside in

1262
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: Ohio State's corners, they highly touted, But there's davisonigmnosen can

1263
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: commit a penalty or four. So if you have Andrew

1264
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: Marsh in a situation where how frustrating would that be

1265
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: for Ohio State to have these two primo first round prospects,

1266
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith, who I think is the best player in

1267
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: college football, maybe being overshadowed by a Michigan wide receiver.

1268
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: Like that's the sort of stuff that happens in this rivalry.

1269
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: I actually think Michigan's probably gonna win on Saturday. Wow, yeah,

1270
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 3: I do, but we'll see. It's I think that it's

1271
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: funny because when I've watched Michigan, I've heard people say

1272
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 3: Michigan just yeah, it just hasn't looked hasn't looked the same.

1273
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: And I look at him and I say, wow, Okay,

1274
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: that could be difficult. This could be difficult. If they

1275
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 3: get after Julian San as well, which I think Michigan

1276
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 3: can do, it could be tough for the Buck guys

1277
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 3: on Saturday.

1278
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 4: Last quick thought for me is that I do hate

1279
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 4: the whole like SEC well, like if we would have

1280
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 4: nine teams undefeated if they played Ohio State schedule. But

1281
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 4: like I do think there is something too that with

1282
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 4: these bloated conferences. The reality is, listen, you caught Texas

1283
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 4: in week one, Arch to his credit, is better.

1284
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 5: I don't know how good tech.

1285
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 4: But after that, you know you didn't play Oregon, you

1286
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 4: didn't play USC, you didn't play Indiana. And so I

1287
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: think two things can be true. I think Ohio State

1288
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 4: is the deserving number one team in the country. They've

1289
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 4: done what they needed to do against the schedule that

1290
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 4: was placed in front of them. But the counter to

1291
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 4: that is I do still think they are relatively untested

1292
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 4: this late in the season.

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Speaker 3: He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Byer. This is a friend's

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Speaker 3: giving on Fox Sports Radio. I just want to jump

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Speaker 3: to the news to ask Manzi Milanios. Green Bay had

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Speaker 3: a fourth and three trying to run out the clock,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think we have Manzi of it. Maybe

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Speaker 3: we don't have Manzi right now, but green Bay holds

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Speaker 3: on thirty one twenty four. Packers ended up getting a fourth.

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Speaker 3: It was a fourth and three on the conversion.

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Speaker 12: Manzi, yes, Sorry, sorry, I wasn't sure if you were

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Speaker 12: talking to me. Yes, it was a fourth and three

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Speaker 12: and he threw to Dontavian Wicks and he lost his

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Speaker 12: shoe but caught the ball and that's what ended the game.

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Speaker 6: They were three of three from fourth down.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like my wife again, Happy birthday to my wife.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say if you were talking to me. I

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Speaker 3: heard some voice chattering. But Packers get a big win

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Speaker 3: against the Lions. We may get a guest from that

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Speaker 3: game or two. Our own Chris prefet Is in Detroit

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Speaker 3: took his mom to the game today, so Chris may

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Speaker 3: chime in. Also may get a chance to talk to

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Speaker 3: a Green Bay Packer as Packers get that big victory

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Speaker 3: for the Lions seven and five. Green Bay now eight

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Speaker 3: three and one with the victory today. He is Aaron Torres.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dan Byer. Now the scene shifts to what's happening

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Speaker 3: in Dallas with the Chiefs and Cowboys, and the scene

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Speaker 3: will also shift to Oxford, Mississippi. What a weekend it

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Speaker 3: is for the Ole miss Rebels. The Egg Bowl on

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Speaker 3: Friday and then the decision on Saturday. We'll talk about

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Speaker 3: it next year on Fox Sports Radio.