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Speaker 1: What do they have? Individualism, the patriarchy, Zef and best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the bec del Cast. Goshness, no familiar,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the factel Cast. That was a close one.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, we were were sure, are fast, We're fully already.

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Speaker 1: We're the Fast and the Feminist more like ha ha

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Speaker 1: ha ha new t shirts. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Drante. This is the Bectil Cast,

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Speaker 1: our show about cars. This is basically car talk today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I drive, not to brag a Toyota Prius from two

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Speaker 1: thousand and ten. I don't have a driver's license. Peeple,

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Speaker 1: what's up? So what we really do is talk about

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Speaker 1: movies from a feminist perspective and discuss how a movie

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Speaker 1: treats and represents women. So this is our Fast and

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Speaker 1: the Furious episode. It has been requested quite a bit before.

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Speaker 1: We're lining this up with the release of feminist text

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Speaker 1: Hobbs and Shaw. I'm sure and yeah, I'm I'm so.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to dig into it and to be clear,

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Speaker 1: this is about The Fast and the Furious parentheses two

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Speaker 1: thousand one, the first installment in the franchise, because at

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Speaker 1: least four of the eight movies have basically the same title,

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Speaker 1: and it's confusing. We're talking about the first movie, and

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Speaker 1: then our very well informed guest, we'll give us some

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Speaker 1: insight into subsequent installments. Indeed, Tokyo Drift anyone I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen it, And for those who are perhaps new to

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Speaker 1: the podcast, we use the Bechtel test as a jumping

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Speaker 1: off point to initiate a larger conversation about overall representation

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Speaker 1: of women and the Becktel Test, of course, is a

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Speaker 1: media metric created by cartoonists Ellison Bechtel that requires that

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Speaker 1: a movie or an entire franchise must have two named

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Speaker 1: female identifying characters who speak to each other about something

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Speaker 1: other than a man. Oh here's an example, right ready,

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Speaker 1: Hi Caitlin, Hi Jamie Beep, who's there? You know? And

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Speaker 1: that passed the Betel christ but what it passes? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're doing good? Yeah? Um? With how much further do

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Speaker 1: I say we introduce our guests? I think, yeah, she

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Speaker 1: really is the authority here. Indeed, indeed, she is an artist.

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Speaker 1: She is the owner of Junior High, a feminist art

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Speaker 1: space right here in Los Angeles. And you know her

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Speaker 1: from our Josie and the Pussycats episode. It's Fay or

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Speaker 1: love Babe, y'alle, Hong Kong. I don't think they honk

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Speaker 1: such a loud movie. They may as well hunt? Is

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Speaker 1: that like bad form? I don't know much about street racing.

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Speaker 1: You didn't learn everything you needed to know from those

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Speaker 1: many miles is that at a quarter mile? It's about

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Speaker 1: a quarter mile. It's a quarter so you can live

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Speaker 1: That monologue is wild. He's like, I don't give a

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Speaker 1: mention that Faye drove up here on her motor site.

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Speaker 1: And then the whole Fast and Furious franchise? These are

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Speaker 1: And that's Jordana Brewster's fame, the sandwich making fame as well.

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Speaker 1: I'm a cop. I like me as reaction because she's

422
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: like man like, She's just like are you serious? Like

423
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: she's just pissed and like, I'm also exhaustive with at

424
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: this point, would you, I mean, would you rather date

425
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: a cop or an illegal street racer? I just think

426
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: mea can do better in general. Sure, yeah, I think

427
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: that she like she's I mean, she's Jordan Brewsters when

428
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: this is filmed, so it's like, you know, she's just

429
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: sort of she's she's maybe this is her gap year.

430
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: We don't know. Also noticed in the party scene when

431
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: she comes in and sort of breaks up a fight

432
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: and tells us it's like, Brian, come get me a

433
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: drink once kind of split it up. She just grabs

434
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: it a snapple she does, so she's got good sensibilities.

435
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: She she doesn't drink right because she drives him home then,

436
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: so she hasn't been drinking and driving has up. She

437
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: probably knows some facts. Um yeah, I mean I think

438
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: in two there were facts facts there there. It is

439
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: so funny, like the snapple, like there's so much I

440
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: love Blockbuster product placement because it is completely unsubtle, Like

441
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: I don't know if NAS was if NAS was an

442
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: energy drink back in two thousand one, holy sh it,

443
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: Like that's if like unobtainium was called, like diet sprite,

444
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: Like they're just like, we can't let anyone get their

445
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: hand on the diet sprite, the most important thing in

446
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: the world. Like there, So there is another. I have

447
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: a few listed that we'll get to. Also, just to

448
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: set the record straight, Corona is not a sponsor. Really

449
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: just loves Corona. That was That was an artistic choice.

450
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I almost only drink Corona these days if

451
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm getting in like a cheap beer because of it,

452
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: because because it's a drink of familia. Sure I want

453
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: to pop that top and that I'm supported by my

454
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: family and friends. You're right, Okay, we keep doing movies

455
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: with you that have a bunch of product placement. Remember

456
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: remember the Tidy Cats. Josie is like, there's no more

457
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: movie that has more product, more target recognition anyway. So

458
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: so Ryan's like, hey, Mia, I'm a cop, I'm undercover.

459
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: We gotta go help out Dom and the Fast Boys

460
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, ship okay because and then on

461
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: the other side, like Letty is having like there's that

462
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: great scene where they're pulling off this last heist, and

463
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: Vin is like, it's all good. I had a dream

464
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: that we went to Mexico at the beach, and Marchella

465
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Rodriguez is like, okay, Like I still there's three different

466
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: characters that are like I don't know, like I don't know, Dom,

467
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: this doesn't feel right, I don't know if we should

468
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: do this, and it's and and turns out they are correct,

469
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: correct because everything goes wrong. Never died a Fast Boys

470
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: intuition right, Another shirt ideas the guy who's driving the

471
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: truck that they're trying to steal from has a shotgun.

472
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: Ship's fallen apart, Letty crashes, Vin gets stuck to the truck,

473
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: so then Brian and Me catch up with them. They

474
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: save Vince. He's badly injured. So then Brian makes a

475
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: call right in front of Dom and he's like, Hi,

476
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: it's Officer Brian, please stand help. Then Tom is like,

477
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: why I oughta The way he looks at him, I mean,

478
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: my heartbreaks, it shutters. That's his bro that he trusted him. Yeah,

479
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: and now he can't trust are you cop? No? And

480
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: then they he never says no, he just he sort

481
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: of skirts around it. So, actually, I love Paul Walker.

482
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: You don't have you don't have to convince me. I

483
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: just the heartbreak I feel when it comes to Vin

484
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: Diesel in the way his eyes just look at the park,

485
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: just dreams right out. Yeah, you know, I mean their friendship.

486
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean I'm excited to talk about. Yes. So now

487
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: we're back at Dom's house. Brian shows up because he

488
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: has confirmed that his new bff Dom is a criminal,

489
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: and they're yelling at each other. They're pouring guns at

490
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: each other. You might even say they're furious. They're so mad.

491
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: The Fast and the soul Man. When Jesse shows up,

492
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: who had taken off because he lost a race earlier

493
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: against Johnny Tran, and he's like, I don't know what

494
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: to do. And then Johnny Tran shows up and shoots Jesse,

495
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: which we don't deal with at all in the story,

496
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: just like why no one in the movie knows why

497
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: Jesse was included. He's killed. It's just like what removed

498
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: Jesse from the movie. Well, because he's the inciting incident

499
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: for Vin then to run off and chase Johnny Tran

500
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: and then kill him to be more furious. So because

501
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of showing more his loyalty, the overlaying thread

502
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: with all of these movies, and I think a big

503
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: reason why I love them so much is like loyalty

504
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: and friendship. Believe it or not, it's beautiful at the

505
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: fast and the friendship friendship and fury fast in the

506
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: front and the friendliest friendships, the fast in the family friendships.

507
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: For me, that's and familia so great. Then Dom and

508
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Brian go after Johnny Trent and his cousin and they

509
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: like stop them, but then they're like, we should race

510
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: each other one last time, and they do it, and

511
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: who wins. I'm not sure. I can't tell, but there's

512
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: a train that almost hits him, and then Dom crashes

513
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: and he's like, I gotta get away. The cops are coming,

514
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: and then Brian is like, hey, I still ow you

515
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: attend second car, so he gives him his car. He

516
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: gets away, and he's a bad cop because he didn't

517
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: arrest the criminal. But in his defense, even the criminals

518
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: are friends. Their friends friendship is more important than laws.

519
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: So that's this moral of this story. Which you know

520
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: often true after true, let's take a quick break and

521
00:32:49,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: then we'll come back. We're bad. That was a boat.

522
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: Do they ever ride boats? Oam no, but um, you

523
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: should watch The Italian Job. What about a train? There's

524
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: a lot of train related scenes, but they're never directly

525
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: driving the train, but there's like cars on a train

526
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: that they have to get off a train. They're alongside trains.

527
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: The physics get It's kind of funny to look back

528
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: and realize it started with DVD players because towards the

529
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: end it is like matters of national security. They there's

530
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: literally like an entity called God's Eye that can overlook

531
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: every single human and what they're doing. And you're like, oh, yeah,

532
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: you just rob some DVD players and now you're gotta

533
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: raise the stakes. From movie to movie they get raised

534
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: so exponentially. I'm like, what is nine going to be? Like?

535
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: That's all I think about. I mean, the whole Solar

536
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: System is at stakes. Honestly, you're you're kidding, But I

537
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they go to space like something

538
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: it's going to be. I mean, space ships are fast

539
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: and probably furious. There's some sort of space war from

540
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Race War to Space War, The Fast and the Furious Journey. Well,

541
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: they should get you writing me. I don't know if

542
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: they started it ten, but they would never let a

543
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: woman write these movies. I'm actually kind of curious. The

544
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: same man has written at least six of them. If

545
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: you get kind of wonky, and then they come back

546
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: to the older director, who's incredible. Okay, yeah, let me

547
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: figure out the writer of this movie. The Fast and

548
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: the Furious three credited writers Gary Scott Thompson, Eric Bergquist,

549
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: and David Air. It looks like David Air also wrote

550
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad and Bright Yikes are talented. Gary Scott Thompson

551
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: also wrote Too Fast, Too Furious. It looks like there's

552
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: a different man writing like the most recent one. Okay, well,

553
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: here you are just assuming gender, so really, that's on you.

554
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: It is truly a man named Mark would not I

555
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: cannot tell a lie. A man named Mark writes The

556
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Fast and the Furious movies. And are you shocked? No?

557
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: So where do we want to start here? I guess

558
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: let's start with the female characters. That's a good place

559
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: to start. There are two, so it'll be there are two.

560
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: We'll just zip through this. Your cot. Okay, it should

561
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: be mentioned, Faye, you have a cat named Letty. I

562
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: do a male cat. Well, both my cats are named

563
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: after Fast and Furious characters. My girl cat is Dwayne

564
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: the Cat Johnson. Um she is, she's furious. That tracks

565
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: with what I know. But um, you know, it's so

566
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: funny watching the movies now and just thinking about my

567
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: cat instead of Michelle Rodriguez. But yeah, I can't overstate

568
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: how much I love these movies. And I really kind

569
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: of wish we watched like the third one or fourth

570
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: because this one they just get so good. I mean,

571
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: maybe we'll do another episode and bring you back fully

572
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: available for when the next next one comes. And there's

573
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: always going to be the next one. Is everyone in

574
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: the Curse on the Fat of the Fast franchise? Well

575
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: they actually I do think they're ending at ten because

576
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: they got like budgeted for Fast X. Otherwise they're going

577
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: to have to start paying Vin Diesel in like planets

578
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: like they make. That's what the Space World about? The

579
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Space War one. That's the final one. Um, okay, let's

580
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: talk about Mia. Let's start with Mia. She's the first

581
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: female character that we really see on screen. She is

582
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: Dom's sister. She manages the front business sort of, but

583
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: it seems like she kind of just makes food for

584
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: whoever asks, is something we see her do a lot.

585
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: She is fully a love interest character. She's basically in

586
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: the story I would argue just to make you know,

587
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: to like complicate Paul, like Paul Walker. There's so many

588
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: times when Brian is talking to his fellow police officers

589
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, maybe if you didn't have such

590
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: strong feelings for me, you'd be able to be a

591
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: better cop and like to honor. He does. He shoves

592
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: a pervert, he does, but that happens a lot. I'm

593
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: thinking also in like The Rock, uh not Dwayne the

594
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: Rock Johnson, but the Michael Bay film The Rock His

595
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Wife Um, where Nicolas Cage's girlfriend character, everyone keeps telling

596
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: Nicolas Cage like, don't think about her, You're just gonna

597
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: get distracted and confused. Like where So this is kind

598
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: of an example of a woman being present in the

599
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: story as sort of an obstacle almost, or like seen

600
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: as being like you're clouding this man's judgment because of

601
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: your feminine wiles or something an they're part of Grdanna

602
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: that I love, or Mia the character of Mia is

603
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: that throughout the franchise she does go from having bangs

604
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: to not having bangs and then back again, which is

605
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: a huge female what a character arc as a woe,

606
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: I can't yeah, as a woman with a forehead, I've

607
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: I've been there, and it really, I mean, does it directly?

608
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: I wish I wish, Okay, one of the many reasons

609
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: I wish that there was at least one credited female writer,

610
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: as if you know, you could really work in story

611
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: into the banks, because if you're getting banks, you're not

612
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: in a good place, especially if I would you know,

613
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: like Jordan and Bruser, I prefer her without the banks,

614
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: but I would understand, you know, sometimes I bring out

615
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: the banks, you just got your banks kind of they're

616
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: pulled back right now, so are we because I'm really

617
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: much better now. Because that did seem like a cry

618
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: for help at the time, but it definitely was, and

619
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: I so so, I mean, I just think if male

620
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: writers understood women better, they could write to these banks choices.

621
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: I think the banks kind of tell their own story,

622
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: but to teach their own it's worth mentioning. I have

623
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: sort of this lineup of things that happened to main

624
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: female characters later in the franchise. I have not seen

625
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: these movies, but in the fifth movie, the villain of

626
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: whatever that one is threatens threatens to have her raped

627
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: and killed. In the sixth movie, she gets kidnapped and

628
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: held a surprise for the men to retrieve, and she

629
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: eventually Where are you just getting this information as someone

630
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: who has not seen the movies, like some Wikipedia synopsis

631
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, just like because she's not in all

632
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: of them, she's in five of them. Yeah, but these

633
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: are I guess in the later installments. It's weird. I mean,

634
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm interested in your opinion on this too. Based on

635
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: strictly the Wikipedia read, it would seem that the attitudes

636
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: towards women in fact may get worse over time, because

637
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: I was I was pleasantly surprised that a blockbuster movie

638
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: chose not to completely damsel or like hold a woman

639
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: as like Collateral or to be rescued in the first movie.

640
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: But it seems like that happens a bunch later on. Yes,

641
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, so with mia Um, she is in the

642
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: world of street racing sort of only on the periphery

643
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: where she like hangs out with the other street racers

644
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: mostly makes sandwiches first. She doesn't get to participate in

645
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: any races. We do see her driving fast on her

646
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: date with Brian, but she's fairly past You do learn

647
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: later that she's an excellent driver as well, and sort

648
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: of makes it a conscious choice not to be part

649
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: of that world. But um is more than like welcomed

650
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: in it, and she has like every capacity to be

651
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: talented in that regard. Well that we do see her

652
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: at the very end whenever Bryan has caught up to

653
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: the final heightst that's happening, and she's behind the wheel

654
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: most of the time of Brian's car because he's trying

655
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: to save Vince, and so she's doing some you know,

656
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: pretty complicated, fast and furious driving. So we see that

657
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: she is competent. But and that like, yeah, when women

658
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: are included in the climax of the movie, like everyone

659
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: is participating in the climax of the movie. There is

660
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: a moment where they're like, Letty is hurt, just getting

661
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: she's fine, and then she's rejoins the action. But I

662
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: thought that was cool that the two female characters that

663
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: we have are at least included in at least one

664
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: big action scene. Their Sideline, I think a lot earlier

665
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: and um, and the way that all women are portrayed

666
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: earlier in this movie is like, uh, but it was

667
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: cool that like the climactic scene, you know, it's not

668
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: like Pacific rim woman launched out of the scene never

669
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: to be seen again. Yes, I would say though, that

670
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: this is another movie where a woman who is good

671
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: at cars is shorthand for she's not like she's down

672
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: at earth because it's like she she's got a traditionally

673
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: masculine skill, so that makes her cooler and more able

674
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: to hang than other girls. I'm wondering if, like the

675
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: moment that you were possibly going to bring up kind

676
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: of making the campaign that this does pass the backball

677
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: test is when Michelle Rodriguez to another woman who's hanging

678
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: over Don called him skanks and then they say okay,

679
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: well back off and that is a conversation and that

680
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: he is not about a guy she is okay because

681
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: so here's what happens. As they're approaching dom. He goes hey, Camille,

682
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: Hey Monica. Goddamn their name Camille and Monica. But that

683
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: is not the only woman named Monica in this movie.

684
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: There's a different Monica with ja Rule exactly, so like

685
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that that's are we sure Monica

686
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: wasn't just recast. I mean they're two different actors. Like

687
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: it is so clearly like the screenwriters knew exactly one

688
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: woman between the three of them named Monica, and they're like,

689
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: we're dropping this around the scandals and they're just like Monica,

690
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: like okay, wait, we need there's there's some more characters.

691
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: So Monica, if you take away some of the letters,

692
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: there's Mia. Okay, so there's okay, or another character names Mia,

693
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: which is just sort of Letty's a wild part of name. Yeah,

694
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: that's at least like a thoughtful name. I don't know.

695
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: I think though that they were like, okay, we took

696
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: away some letters from Monica to make Mia letters let

697
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: Letty that's how. That's how they could that possibly be

698
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: short for? And then Letitia. Yes, good okay? But yeah,

699
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: so like the women go to cars, The most egregious

700
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: example of this that I think we've come across, at

701
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: least on the podcast so far, is like the Megan

702
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Fox character and Transformers, especially because like her interest in

703
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: cars is so it's like basically just used as an

704
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: excuse to sexualize her. Yes, um, like she's bending over

705
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: the hood, she's humping, she's measuring the tailpipe. It's sort

706
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: of like portrayal of a woman who they give these

707
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: sort of like masculine interests to and decide not to

708
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: give them more of a personality or any sort of

709
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: development because they think, oh, she has like manly interest.

710
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Is um Natalie Apportman in the first Thorror movie when

711
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: like two times she goes, I'm an astrophysicist and absolutely

712
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: no other like that's all we know. Yeah, It's like,

713
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: but what more do we need to know? She loves

714
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: such and she loves the space war. It's such a yeah,

715
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: like those empty because it's like ultimately kind of like

716
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: an empty gesture to do that. And also like with

717
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: the with and in Mia Is, I mean, the way

718
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: that women are dressed in this movie is very sexy,

719
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: very hot, gorgeous, inspirational. They're dressed in very particular ways,

720
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: and like I think Mia dresses on the more conservative side,

721
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: which I think is supposed to be shorthand for she's

722
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: a good girl. She makes you the sandwich, as opposed

723
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: to if you're a woman who is at the street race,

724
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 1: you are like a loose you're probably named Monica, and

725
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: you all you're strictly there to hook up with whoever wins.

726
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: The part of the drinking game that I briefly mentioned

727
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: was you do drink anytime there's like a gratuitous ask shot,

728
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: they get a little bit more in your face about it. Actually,

729
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: I think as the film's growing, in my opinion, do

730
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: become more feminists, they actually do gravitate towards just showing

731
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: more butts, which I haven't really grappled with. I mean,

732
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: it's possible for maybe something to both progress and regress

733
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: at the same time, saying there are you're safe. It's fine, space,

734
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: it's good, but it's everything I know, shattering when you

735
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: really think about it. Maybe oh god, I mean, this

736
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: is a big part of my life. Like I'm not

737
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: we haven't you know what. Feminism is a conversation, and

738
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: it's I think part of this, this podcast and feminist

739
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: discussion is you know, a discourse and there's there's no

740
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: black and white. True I'm not going to get they're

741
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: not feminist. I won't leave, Okay, So there's like me

742
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: as an the car. I think that there is sort

743
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: of a tendency for when a woman is presented as

744
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: like you were taking like good at car, she also

745
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: has to present hyper feminine at the same time because

746
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: and if there's too much straddling of that line of

747
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: like you can't be good at car and present like

748
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: more traditionally masculine, or she does wear cargo paying, but

749
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: it's two thousand one. Everyone's wearing cargo pass and she

750
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: is wearing them with a very high rise thong. Yeah

751
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: we're talking about Letty right, okay, because I feel like

752
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Letty is the one who's like characteristic, like into cars,

753
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: like the rude kind of girl. I like Letty's character

754
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: better across the board, and feel like Mia is is

755
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: very much a stock girlfriend character kind of remains that way.

756
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: I will say she becomes like a mom even it's

757
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: like it's like good for her, but yeah, she's never

758
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: really liked the focus right, like she's she's here for

759
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: this movie to just keep Paul Walker in in this

760
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: space and like she's good at car for a second,

761
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: which at least is paid off at the end when

762
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: she needs to be. But I don't know the especially

763
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: because it's like I loved herd a Brewster. I wanted

764
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: to have more fun stuff to do. Yeah, she she

765
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: isn't given much, especially car type stuff, which is the

766
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: focus of this movie. Yeah, the woman good a car

767
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: thing in this movie. I would say it's not as

768
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: egregious as like the Megan Fox Transformers then because it

769
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: doesn't feel tacked on and their interests hasn't been like

770
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: overly sexualized. But it does mean that like the women

771
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: who know cars get to hang out with the fast boys,

772
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: and the women who don't know cars are the quote

773
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: trophies who stand who are literally so called like like

774
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: Dom picks up, you're my trophy, You're like, no, Letty,

775
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: we do see participate in a arace. But Mia is

776
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: really just there for Paul Walker to put his arm

777
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: around and help wash some dishes. And really it's kind

778
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: of a show that he's like a good guy really

779
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: because he defends her, he helps with the dishes. He

780
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of shows his intentions to that he falls

781
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: for her and not one of the girls at the

782
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: Furious Girl because those are beneath him. Yeah, and then Mia,

783
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: like Mia is also used to show what a quote

784
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: unquote bad guy that vinces in this movie, where he

785
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: is very bossy towards her. He uses a gay flour

786
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie. He yeah, like he's

787
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: just generally not like the good guy. He says at

788
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: one point, like whenever he sees Brian washing dishes, He's like,

789
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: wash my car, and then I'm going to put you

790
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: in a dress and put you out on the street,

791
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: which is like, okay, that's like sex worker shaming or

792
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're saying. Vince is I mean,

793
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: Vince is all a the place and in the way

794
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: he puts people down his very two thousand one. Um,

795
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: what is he in the sandwiches? Yeah, the sandwich he

796
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: sandwiched crazy or something. That's his whole vibe. I mean

797
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: that performance, you know, it's a performance where the shirt

798
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: is doing more work than the man, perhaps even being

799
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: half a shirt. You know, it's true. I mean, I'm

800
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: sure it wasn't. In and it all. This reminded me

801
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: of Matthew Lillard's Mets shirts and hackers and and SLC punk. Honestly,

802
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: Lillard rocked a mesh for a good six or seven years. There.

803
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm gone. Anyways, let's take a quick break and then

804
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: we'll come back. Let's talk about Letty. She is my cat.

805
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: It's a face cat. How many nipples does your cat

806
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: Letty have? Oh my gosh, um, I think it's eight

807
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: or six? Okay, Sure, it's about feminist, definitely. I mean,

808
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: she's honestly doing laps around us. I don't know what

809
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: the funk we're doing over here, my cat. Okay, I'm sorry,

810
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: now I listen. I'm sorry. I'm still feminist. Letty the character. Yes,

811
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: I smell skanks alert one of her there. I think

812
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Letty like. I like Letty. I don't know, Fay. I mean,

813
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: I'm sure you you understand this part better than I do.

814
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: She dies in the franchise, but then it turns out

815
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: she's not dead. Okay, so are you just like spoiling

816
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: everything for everyone? Or yes? No, to be fair, they

817
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: came out about ten years ago. Yeah, she does die

818
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: and she does come back. Okay, so I don't I

819
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: can't vouch for any of that. But in the first

820
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: in the first movie, I I feel like she is

821
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: like half stuff I like and half empty girl powered

822
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: trophy stuff. It. I'm just like, man, we don't get

823
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: to see her do any significant driving until the again

824
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: horribly named Race Wars scene which is not until towards

825
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: the end of act two. We're like, well into the

826
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: movie before we see her do anything impressive. And it's

827
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: really in just one scene where a guy pulls up

828
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: next to her. He's like, baby, you should be watching

829
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: from the side. I don't want to get any exhaust

830
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: on that prudy face. And then she's like, how about

831
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: you put your money where your mouth is? And he's like,

832
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: how about I race you for that sweet little glass?

833
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: And then I do love this scene. Then she says,

834
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: if you want to ask, why don't you hit up

835
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: Hollywood Boulevard, which is another actually took offense to that.

836
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean that was a direct day at you. I

837
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: felt like it. And then and then Michelle Rodriguez puts

838
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: on that sunglasses and you're like, there there's a lot

839
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: of nuance to her performance. I really like Michelle Rodriguez

840
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: as I love her. She's I mean, I really enjoy her.

841
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: Liam Neice and comments aside, which she retracted, so it's

842
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: all good. I don't know, yeah, I mean, look it up.

843
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: It's not relevant to this discussion, but she's great. So

844
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: she she's like, Okay, I'll bet you two thousand dollars

845
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: whoever wins this race, and then she wins, and we're

846
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be like we girl power. I'm so empowered

847
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: because a woman one, which, to be fair, I am. However, However,

848
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: it has no narrative importance, no importance, and and you

849
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: can't just have one tiny glimpse of a woman's empowerment

850
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: in a movie and then have the rest of the

851
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: movie showing women who were sidelined objectified like all that stuff. Sorry, Caitlin,

852
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: have you seen a blockbuster before? Of course you can do.

853
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: I misspoke. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I know, I do.

854
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: I totally agree. Like I really liked that scene and

855
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: that was like the whatever. I guess that's the line

856
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: of cheesy girl power stuff that I'm like, Okay, that

857
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: scene I can handle, and I I appreciate the gesture,

858
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: but it doesn't if you take that scene out of it.

859
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad it's there, but if you took it out,

860
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,959
Speaker 1: nothing about the movie would be different, which just means

861
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: that she's not, you know, given enough to do that

862
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: makes her critical to that plot. And then at the

863
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: end during the climactic, I guess it's not even the

864
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: climax because the climax is the race between Dom and

865
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: Brian at the end with the train, the sensitivity, the

866
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: final the heist, the final heist at the end. Volume

867
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: was at eleven during the last I'm glad that like

868
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: Letty is allowed to be a part of like the

869
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: Heist Gang. I guess if you're gonna have criminals, you

870
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: might as well let a woman be a criminal too.

871
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: And it is good that, like, I mean, I wish

872
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 1: that we got to see her skill more and the movie,

873
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: but it is repeated by a bunch of different characters

874
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: how how skilled she is, and like what an important

875
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: part of the group she is, even though we don't

876
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: like to see it that much in this movie, but

877
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: I appreciate. But then she's the one who crashes, so

878
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, well, I mean, I guess it

879
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: could have been anybody, but you've got to make the

880
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: woman crash the car during not going to be Yea

881
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: right or Leon whoever? The car who is I don't

882
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: know which guy is that he never comes back. He's

883
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: the one who sort of looks like Vince. I couldn't

884
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: tell them apart for the first hour and twenty minutes

885
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: of the movie, but he's like a nicer Vince basically right,

886
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: and then also Jesse, there's like that loose backstory for

887
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: him where he's like a genius hacker and he's like,

888
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: I could have gone an M I T, but I

889
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: have a d D. Anyways, I'm a street racer now

890
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: and you're just like I this journey. Oh okay, fine,

891
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean back to Letty. She's Dom's trophy, he says it.

892
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: She hot list of things, and I'm like, man, she

893
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: deserves better the whole like jealousy arc of I smell

894
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: Skanks very two thousand one, and just as like your

895
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: boyfriend who's flirting with these women, be mad at him,

896
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: not mad at the various Monica's. He just approached the

897
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: flock of Monica's that Vin Diesel takes around with him

898
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: wherever he goes. Um. I think that Letty like she

899
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: is objectified in some ways, but not in the same

900
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: way that all the Monicas are. The Monica's, I think,

901
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: are the most egregious example of just complete like they're

902
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: just framing is set dressing like so much male gays,

903
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: so many like lingering shots of the camera on women's

904
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: butts and breasts in the costuming in the case of Letty, though,

905
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: I would argue that in their scenes together, Dom and

906
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: Letty are equally sexualized because there is some like, yes

907
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: she's wearing a tank top, Yes, her titties are all

908
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: the way up. Yes we see her but get grabbed

909
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: in a shot. But we are also seeing Vin's oily muscle,

910
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: We're seeing his like shiny head, Like I like in

911
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: those scenes because I did say his shiny head. You

912
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: just wait. You think you see shine, now just wait

913
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: until the rock gets involved. Literally part of the drinking

914
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: game is just full down your beer. Anytime he's the

915
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 1: only one shiny, it's insane, how sweaty, because I don't

916
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: know he is just listening. They make a joke in

917
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: one of the later movies that he is always just

918
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: covered in baby oil, so it becomes referenced. It's how

919
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: intense it is. It's I mean, and it's it's intense

920
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: in the first one too. So it was like in there,

921
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: there is that one horny scene Vin and Michelle and

922
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: they're fucking near a car because you can't resist. They're fast,

923
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: they're furious, um, and in that scene, I was like,

924
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: they're both sexualized. And so that specific scene for me

925
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: was kind of like, Okay, I guess that was just

926
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: like a hot blockbuster sex scene, right, because I mean

927
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: the target demographic of these movies are teen boys, young men,

928
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: the boys of any age really and right, So it's like, well,

929
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: we need an example of like a really fucking cool,

930
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: hot but like not too hot but hot enough manly

931
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: man who's studiedly Paul Walker, who's too hot, too hot,

932
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: too curious. So yeah, we like, you know, I guess

933
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: they need to throw in an impressive man who the

934
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: boys who these movies are targeted for can be like,

935
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: oh man, he's still cool. I want to be just

936
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: like a boy. Vin Diesel. Yeah, the whole first movie

937
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: just like makes me hope more for Letty in subsequent installments. So, FAE,

938
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: how do you feel Letty's character progressive? Do you like it?

939
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: Do you not like it? Well? I definitely do like

940
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: her character. She gets a lot more exposition, you get

941
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: a lot more of like her and Vin's relationship, and

942
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: I think he treats her really well. I don't think

943
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: I think it's like a very their unequal playing field.

944
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: They're both part of the team in the same capacity,

945
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: and I think they're both well respected I didn't really

946
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: think about in terms of like her being this damsel

947
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: that does need to be rescued, because that's like the

948
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: entire plot when she comes back to life basically, and

949
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: so she gets fridged and then unfridged. She basically they

950
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: fake her death to use her as a pawn against

951
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: vin Um, so she gets like brainwashed. So even while

952
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: she is a damsel, she's like this badass sort of

953
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: supervillain like, so I guess I never really like thought

954
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: of her that she is definitely like in a space

955
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: to be rescued, but she's not weak. She's still the

956
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: main character, and like, I don't know, so up for discussion.

957
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: But um, does the movies? Does the franchise get any

958
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: better in terms of like, because so many shots of

959
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: this movie are just like sweeping shots of like women's

960
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: bodies and like them being like framed as the trophies

961
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: for the cool fast boys who win the race. Does

962
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: that get any better or is it still it does not?

963
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: That's just part of them, that's I think from what

964
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: I know about this world, it's like somewhat a part

965
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: of the culture. But like there are moments where they

966
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: become kind of more self aware about it, like when

967
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: gal Gadote becomes part of the cast. Because Gal Gadote

968
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: becomes a part of the cast and she's like an

969
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: incredible racer and she um there's a part where she

970
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: uses her sexuality to like her at andage, like it

971
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: becomes a little bit more like self aware. But I mean,

972
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: people go see the movies for like this fun romb

973
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: and for the hot girls. I mean there's a moment

974
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: like about seventy minutes into the movie where people are

975
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: spraying a woman's ass with a shower nozzle and then

976
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: she shakes her titties around while wearing a wet white

977
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: tank top. Seems consensual and to Michelle Rodriguez's credit, in

978
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen, when Fate came out the Fate

979
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: of the Furious eight one, she posted on Instagram the

980
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: day that it was released on DVD. Very important to

981
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: call back, she said, quote, the Fate of the Furious

982
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 1: is out digitally today. I hope they decided to show

983
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: some love to the women of the franchise in the

984
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: next one, or I might just have to say goodbye

985
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: to a loved franchise. It's been a good ride and

986
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for the opportunity that fans and studios have

987
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: provided over the years. One Love. Has there been a

988
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: Fast and the Furious since the Fate of the Furious. No,

989
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was the last one, so I guess

990
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: it kind of remains to be seen whether they will

991
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: hear her on that. But she is in the next one,

992
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: so hopefully that means that. I mean, even for for

993
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: a franchise like this, even a small step, and it

994
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: seems like the addition of like the gal Gadot character

995
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: and like letting Letty do more that they're edging in

996
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: the right direction. But I thought it was cool for

997
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: like a major star to Yeah, and I will say

998
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: for like the longevity of these movies are like in

999
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: the canon of them, every woman does appear to be

1000
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: in charge of her. She makes a choice, Like no

1001
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: women forced into this. Yeah, she has agency. No woman

1002
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: is like forced to be this side show car skank

1003
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like, Yeah, these the women are where

1004
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: they want to be, doing what they want to be doing.

1005
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: And there's I think a lot to say to that.

1006
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: There's like nothing feels like cringe e to me when

1007
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: you're like this woman doesn't seem to have the ability

1008
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: to say no to her situation. Sure, right, yeah, I

1009
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: mean I hope that it's And it almost like seems

1010
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: like a kind of a clever screenwriting a hack that's

1011
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: employed there where the women are like they do question things.

1012
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes they have like somewhat realistic, like Mia is really

1013
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: frustrated and deceived another fun man deceives the object of

1014
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: his interest for the majority of the movie trope that

1015
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: we love. But at least that, yeah, like they do

1016
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: have agency, and they do Ultimately they make the choice,

1017
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: Am I going to go with what either Paul Walker

1018
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: or Vin Diesel wants or not? Conveniently for the screenplay,

1019
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: she usually chooses to do what the male protagonist wanted

1020
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: her to do. Any Yes, she's also doing so much.

1021
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: Mia is doing so much emotional throughout the whole movie

1022
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: because she's constantly breaking up fights and like having to

1023
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: deal with this creep Vince who likes her and then

1024
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: like trying to divert that away, and like Dom's always

1025
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: like pissing people off, So she's always like stop fighting,

1026
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: and she's just doing a lot and it shouldn't the

1027
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: burden shouldn't be on her to have to do all

1028
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: this stuff, but she's constantly just being like, got it out,

1029
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: don't do that. That that continues, and in fact it

1030
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: gets even like the labor sheep, but then is like

1031
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: more and more because she becomes like a wife and

1032
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: a mom, and it's just like she's constantly pleading with

1033
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: them to not go into these dangerous situations where they

1034
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: are weirdly in charge of protecting the entire national security. Well,

1035
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: I love how this takes continue insane. They're the most

1036
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: fast and furious of all the people, the best to

1037
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: the protect us, and it becomes clear. Okay, I have

1038
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: a quick update on the Michelle Rodriguets think. There was

1039
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: some questions of whether she would appear and Fastened the

1040
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 1: Furious nine that was resolved just a couple of weeks ago.

1041
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 1: They confirmed she is going to be in Fast nine,

1042
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: but she refused to sign her contract until they had

1043
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: signed a female screenwriter to Oh my God, is my cat?

1044
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: Isn't that that is the best choice I ever made?

1045
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: So yeah. Slash Film reported that she confirmed she will

1046
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: be back for Fast and the Furious nine after holding

1047
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: out until a female screenwriter was brought on for the sequel.

1048
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: That means universal has hired a female writer for this

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01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: franchise for the first time ever, but as of now,

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Speaker 1: the identity of this elusive female screenwriter has not been announced.

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01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: It's me, Jamie, It's me. I don't have a driver's license,

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01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: but I'm writing Fast and Furious nine. Let's just see

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Speaker 1: if they're pay them the same amount. Oh good point,

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: but anyways, shouts out to Michelle Rodriguez, Feministic a queer icon. Yes,

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01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: we love her. Indeed, should we talk a little bit

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: about the male friendship that the toxic masculinity that is

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01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: present in the homo erotic tension. The greasy boys are

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 1: very close, the looks they give each other. I think

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Speaker 1: this might be like one of the giggest movies that exists.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot written about like the use

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Speaker 1: of homo eroticism, and I mean, and it is employed

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01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: in action movies pretty frequently, and there's so many franchises

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01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: that sort of play this. I mean, it is like

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01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: queer bating to an extent. It's not I don't know,

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01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: it's weird. Like in the Fact of the Furious it's

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01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: never what they're saying. It's just like how they're looking

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01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: at each other and how they're interacting with each other

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01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: while they're saying it, like there is a way for

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01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: Vin Diesel to make that I would say, incredible monologue

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01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: at the end about how he doesn't care about anyone

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01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: in his life except his car, and his car is

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01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: his wife, and his wife is his wife. Yeah, his

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01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: his car wife. And but like the way that him

1074
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: and Paul Walker looking at each other through it, you're

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01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: just like, oh, they're just like there is a connection here,

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01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: like the way like male friendship, the male friendships are

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: more important than the romantic relationships. Yes, and the movie

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01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: cares more about the relationship between Brian and Vince and

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01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 1: like reconciling that because like Brian starts off on on

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01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: Vince's bad side and stays there for most of the movie,

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01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: but then when he saves him at the end and

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01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: then it calls in the helicopter to save his life,

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01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,959
Speaker 1: like that's him being like, oh, finally, like maybe Vince

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01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: will like me now. And the movie cares more about

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: reconciling that relationship than it does about developing any of

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01:06:55,640 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: the female characters or like any of those relationships. So there,

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: it's that's a tricky thing with this because there are like,

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01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about a lot of things in this

1089
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: franchise that I think are generally good for the world.

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: It is one of the most diverse blockbuster franchises in existence.

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: That's really cool. Michelle Rodriguez is a woman of color,

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: and she is like the female lead. She's a queer

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01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: female of color, which is I mean, which was not

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01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: known in two thousand and one. But still, I mean,

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: that's cool. I do always like and I don't know,

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01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean you you'll know more about how like the

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01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: male friendships develop. I wouldn't say that the male like

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01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: that Brian and Dom's relationship is like healthy, but there is,

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01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're just mostly like look at my pipes,

1100
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: like there I can't like, I can't say I love you,

1101
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna make you intense second car like there

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: is that like weird repression in there. But I do

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: appreciate when attention is given to male male friendships. I

1104
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: enjoy that too. And I will say, and I think

1105
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: I talked about this a bit on our Lord of

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01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: the Rings episode, but I think there's a tendency to

1107
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: see a close male friendship in a movie and then

1108
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 1: automatically assigned homo eroticism to it, because I don't know

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01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: if it's just because we're so used to not seeing

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01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: positive male friendships and movies and it's like, oh, well,

1111
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,440
Speaker 1: if two men are closed, there must be some underlying

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01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: homo eroticism there, right, which I know maye that may

1113
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: be true for some male friendships, and it isn't a

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Speaker 1: lot of the time. So I feel like, I don't know.

1115
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it maybe doesn't disservice sometimes to be

1116
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: like two men who are close, well, then there there's

1117
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: it's sexy. I agree with that, But in the case

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01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: of this franchise, well, I think it's pretty homorotic. I

1119
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: think because these movies are so enveloped in Vin Diesel,

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Speaker 1: and he is a producer on them, and he has

1121
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: such like a staunch say and what goes on in them,

1122
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: And then you look at his off screen relationship with

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01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,799
Speaker 1: Paul Walker and it's sort of like the most beautiful

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01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen, Like he is just they're genuinely

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Speaker 1: the best of friends. Vin Diesel. If you follow him

1126
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: on social media, he has an ongoing hashtag Toretto Tuesday,

1127
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: where he posts a photo of him and Paul Walker together.

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Speaker 1: He named his kid Pablo after him. He um is

1129
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: constantly talking about how much he misses Paul Walker. Who

1130
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think every listener probably knows what he

1131
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: did pass away a couple of years ago. Like everything

1132
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: Vin does seems to be a tribute to him. And

1133
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 1: I just think like it kind of makes me regret

1134
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: mentioning this like joke of homoroticism because I genuinely think

1135
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: they were like brothers and I think that's explored in

1136
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: the movies and kind of I think a lot of

1137
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: my like perception of it is skewed by what I

1138
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: see outside of the movies. But they just genuinely like

1139
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: their brotherhood is I think something we never get to see.

1140
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: It's two dudes that are just really good friends, yeah,

1141
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: and like really care about each other. And I could

1142
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: be mistaken. I'm sure someone like in the comments will

1143
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: let me know, But I do think they say they

1144
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: love each other in the movies. I'm like almost under

1145
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: percent sure. I mean, hopefully at some point they've been

1146
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: together for ten years and they're just like I'm gonna

1147
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: get UTENSI car any day now, because uh, yeah, I

1148
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, in general, I think that it's

1149
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: it's good. I think that I don't. I mean, we

1150
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: can't really speak to this because we're a bunch of

1151
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: straight ladies. Uh so all of our queer listeners please

1152
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: give us insights. I think that there's elements of both

1153
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,879
Speaker 1: employed and there are in a lot of this genre,

1154
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: but in general, I mean, any example, for like young

1155
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: Men that like normalizes male male friendship, and it seems

1156
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: like this franchise does pretty well with that. So yeah,

1157
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: they don't show away from it for like fear of

1158
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: maybe like being like perceived in some sort of I

1159
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: don't know. It's the core concept of the movies' is

1160
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: like brotherhood, and I guess more like overall familiar because

1161
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: I do think that the women are just as important,

1162
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: like plot wise and like development wise. Yeah, so there's

1163
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: like a whole lot of butts, but then there's a

1164
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: whole lot of love. Vince like that character, Yeah, he's

1165
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: you don't he's not really the one. Know, he's in

1166
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: a few more, but he's like by no means a

1167
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: vital character. You get ludicrous in the next one, which

1168
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: him and then Tyrese are they come into the team. Um. Yeah,

1169
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: and then every every film has like this iconic like

1170
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: getting a team together montage, which is my favorite trope

1171
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: of any movie. It's those are good montage. Not all

1172
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: tropes are bad. I don't know a montages like my kryptonite,

1173
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: like Jamie, like what you were saying, the diversity in

1174
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: this movie, it's like Vin Diesel identifies as a person

1175
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: of color. Um, there are some I mean this kind

1176
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: of struck me where the first two groups that the

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01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: FBI identifies as suspects of the hijackings are Hector's group,

1178
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: which are I think all Latin X men, and then

1179
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: Johnny trans group, which are all Asian men. So it's like, oh,

1180
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: these people of color are the criminals, but I would

1181
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: also people the hero, the good guys, who are also criminals,

1182
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: and because they're the shiniest one, you know, Yeah that's true,

1183
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: that's true. But yeah, this is uh. I mean, considering

1184
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: so many franchises, so many action movies and movies in

1185
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: general are made up of almost entirely white people, this

1186
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: movie does do quite a bit better in terms of

1187
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, like racial fir City a big like tenant

1188
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: of van like producing these movies, and I think why

1189
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: they do so well, like internationally is he tries to

1190
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: get actors involved that are like really iconic in different countries.

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: So like Tokyo Drift has I don't know the actor's name,

1192
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: but the han is the character's name. He's like a

1193
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: big Jap and he's actor, and then they get Gagado.

1194
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: Chis is really and like, I just like really commend

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: him for his even I don't know, maybe if his

1196
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,839
Speaker 1: intentions are more like capitalistic and like box office numbers,

1197
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: I want to think more of him and think like

1198
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: he just like really embodies these kind of values of familia.

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Speaker 1: But I could be giving him way too much credit

1200
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: and just be like such a sucker for these movies

1201
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: I can't see bad. I mean that's so it sounds

1202
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: general to me. It seems like the cast of this

1203
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: movie for all like the fun drama clickbait that I've

1204
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: read about it. In general. I mean it seems like

1205
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: they try to do right by each other. I mean,

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm still like super impressed by like Michelle Driguez using

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: her platform like responsibly and to get other women work.

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01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: And I mean what Vin Diesel, I mean that sounds

1209
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: like it makes business sense and kind of helps everyone

1210
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: to uh. So, like I'm not going to fault him

1211
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, I don't know I appreciate this franchise.

1212
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: It's just too loud for me. I'm gonna say, I

1213
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: don't appreciate this franchise nearly as much. And granted I

1214
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: have been exposed to almost none of it, but to me,

1215
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's too much of a focus

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01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: on like the male friendship and the eight and we

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01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: Gotta Stick Together. And yes, women are present, but I

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01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: think at least in in the first one, and I

1219
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: would imagine in the later films that they could be

1220
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: included more meaningfully because I mean, but it also matters

1221
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 1: like they're fridged and and and stambled at a higher rate.

1222
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: And also and and the ratio of men to women

1223
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: I think remains pretty unequal where it's still mostly men.

1224
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: Also just that these movies seem to largely be about

1225
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: kind of like men proving that they're awesome and fast,

1226
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 1: which like translates to who of us is the more manly,

1227
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: the faster you are, the more mucho you're the best man.

1228
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: So and there's so many scenes where like men are like, Okay,

1229
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: who's the faster, who's the best man? And I'm just

1230
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: like I don't care. Yeah, well, if you don't care

1231
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: about that, these are I just think that, like for

1232
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: hyper masculine franchise, I mean, I will I'm sorry if

1233
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: I cannot make the argument that this is even remotely

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01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: a feminist franchise, Like that argument is kind of off

1235
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: the table for me. But like in terms of like

1236
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: is it a net positive thing for the world, I

1237
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: think that there's like certain areas of it that could

1238
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: be argued as as a positive as far as an

1239
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: action franchise goes. I mean, well seriously that it's like,

1240
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 1: if you have a gigantic action franchise, would you rather

1241
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: it be core in male friendship and like has a

1242
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: hugely diverse cast, or would you rather they make more

1243
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: like Blade Runner movies? Like I do think like in

1244
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: this specific genre, I feel like there's a lot of

1245
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: positive I think that's maybe it why I give it

1246
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: so much credit, because I do love action movies, so

1247
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: then you you kind of have to narrow it down

1248
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: to action movies, and then in that genre, this is

1249
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: I think one of the greater ones. Do I want

1250
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: an equally diverse female action franchise? Hell yeah, but I do.

1251
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: But honestly, though if it was really loud, I still

1252
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: might not see it. You got to get that check

1253
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: out digital listen. I know, I know why it's that

1254
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 1: diet nas. I have permanent frame damage from my diet nas.

1255
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,799
Speaker 1: But there's I don't know. I think that there's definitely

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Speaker 1: pros and cons. Sure, I don't hate that it exists

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Speaker 1: the way I hate that other franchises exist. And that's

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01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: kind of all you can hope from someone that you

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01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 1: don't hate it exists, right right, I don't know. I

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01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: mean it's but I also I'm like, you know, if

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Speaker 1: we're going into like as a as a young boy

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01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: better or worse off for having seen a Fast in

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01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: the Furious movie, I don't know. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: they would have more respect for women. In fact, they

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01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 1: may have less. Yeah, I mean considering. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: I said, there's so many shots of this movie are

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01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: just like, look at these hot women who are again

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: framed as literal trophies, like they are the prizes to

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01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: be one. They're wearing next to nothing. You know, they're

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01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: just so heavily objectified that I think, you know, the

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01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: people seeing this are like, oh, women are prizes except

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01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: for the one cool one who's my sister, and the

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01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: other cool one who's my girlfriend. And they're only cool

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01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: because they know how to drive good. I didn't feel

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01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: like this movie does more net negative than positive, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's also from two thousand one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I faye where you I mean, I

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01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: guess we know where you fall generally. Yeah, I mean,

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01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: I don't. I think I'm it's hard to like detract

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01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: this movie from the rest of them, So I'm thinking

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01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: franchise wide, like it's more of a net positive. I

1282
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: don't think a young boy would necessarily leave with more

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01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 1: respect for women. But I don't think that the movie

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01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: degrades women quite to the extent that Caitlin saying, or

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01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: maybe that you see in the first one, which I

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01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: do upon like rewatch and note taking realize it's like

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01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more gramm than I had been remembering. Yeah,

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01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this this at least speaking to

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 1: this one, I don't think it does very well except

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01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: for some elements of Letty and like one element of

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01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 1: me um. I don't know. I mean, I also like

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01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: fully understand that's not what people go to these movies for.

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01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's not. I don't know, there's certainly

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01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: I guess for me, like sometimes I would prefer a

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01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 1: movie that is so clearly not trying to like be

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01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 1: a feminist movie than a movie that's like this is

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01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: Ones for the ladies and it's just fucking hollow and

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01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: sending that messages, because what's worse to me would be

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01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: we're going to remake Fast and Furious but with all

1300
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: women or something that to me is like more degrading,

1301
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: being like, oh, women just want to see an identical

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01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: film but just featuring women. It's like, no, we can

1303
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: see movies with men, and that just the women should

1304
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: have development and personalities and names and speak to each other,

1305
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: and women should get their own original franchises, like please

1306
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: stop doing all family reboots, please please place. I think

1307
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: so much of like what I'm conditioned to think is

1308
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: like well, like it could be so much worse, Like

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01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: so I think I came into it more like a

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01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: little bit aggressively, like these are feminist films because it

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01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: could be so much worse, but obviously like more dissecting,

1312
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: and it's like we could do better. I can for

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: sure do better. I just I I yeah, with like

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: the all female reboots stuff. I just when that was

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01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: first happening, I didn't really think about it and I

1316
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, cool, like it sounds fun. But then

1317
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: kind of in retrospect now it's just like, okay, well

1318
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: that sort of sets the precedent that every every franchise

1319
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: needs to be beta tested with men first to see if,

1320
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: like you know, like it has to be so. And

1321
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: then every time that happens, uh, you know, the redditors

1322
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork to just like ruin Lives.

1323
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: So I think just give them in their own friend

1324
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: especially because, like I mean, the ones that people aren't

1325
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: really talking about that much as being all filmale reboots.

1326
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: But like that movie The Hustle that came out was

1327
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: essentially a reboot of Dirty Rotten Scandals. The Hustle was

1328
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 1: not a good movie. Little was a reboot of Big,

1329
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: also not a good movie. What Men Want was a

1330
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: reboot of What Women Want, also not a good movie.

1331
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: They're like, it's just like good original stories featuring women,

1332
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: and don't try to like take movies that had been

1333
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: commercial successes and reboot them. And it's like women, because

1334
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: you're not doing a good job, Hollywood, and it's sabotages

1335
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: women and female leads in the end too, because when

1336
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: those movies don't do well, it's like, oh, well, people

1337
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: don't want to see movies with women in them, and

1338
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: it's just like, no, we just don't want to see

1339
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: the same movie that we didn't like the first time,

1340
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: Like why would anyone want there? Oh side, So does

1341
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: this movie pass the Bechdel tests? Apparently it does. I

1342
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: think it might. Okay. There are two instances where women

1343
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: interact at all in the entire movie. One is where

1344
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: Letty comes in to Toretto's and says to Mia, how

1345
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: you living? Girl? Mia does not respond. Second one is

1346
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: the one we've talked about a few times already, where

1347
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: Letty goes up to the two women who are hanging

1348
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: on which the seven different Monica's, and she says, I

1349
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 1: smell skanks. Why don't you girls pack it up before

1350
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: I leave treadmarks on your face? The one who had

1351
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: been named Camille says okay and walks away. I love

1352
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: that she responds. She responds and just like, okay, good,

1353
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: good point, honestly, But I mean, if you're going to

1354
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: pass the Bectel test, it should be And I don't

1355
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: think it's a threat from one woman to another and

1356
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: using a sort of derogatory where that's almost attack women skanky. Wow, wow,

1357
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 1: so feminist film. I'm truly like they really, they really

1358
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: did it to us. They really those little sneaky, those

1359
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: sneaky little bastards. They made it past the actel test.

1360
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: That I mean, okay, I take it all back. Feminist text,

1361
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: the fast and the feminist feminist. Let's write the movie

1362
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: on our nipple scale zero to five nipples based on

1363
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: its portrayal of women two and a half. Really, yeah,

1364
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: she's okay right in the middle. Who are you? Who

1365
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: are you giving your nipples to? Do you have any

1366
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: defense of the point before? Kaitlin and you all know

1367
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: where I stand. You know, it could be worse, And

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01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: that's my that's my final thought Summer Summer two thousand one.

1369
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: It could. Yeah. I'm going to give two of my

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01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: nipples to Michelle Rodriguez and her Instagram posts and the

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01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: half to my cat Letty. Yes, a true, a true icon,

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01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: an ally and an absolute ally. I'm going to give

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01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: this movie a half nipple because even though there are

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01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:50,799
Speaker 1: two female characters who are significant characters in the story,

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01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:55,520
Speaker 1: they're really only framed as the love interests or girlfriends

1376
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: of the male characters, who the movie is way more

1377
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: concerned about developed being as individuals and as relationships the

1378
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: male friendship to each other. We see them not really

1379
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: get to participate as much as I would like. Uh,

1380
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 1: And it's not until fairly late into the movie that

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01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: we get to see them really doing anything at all

1382
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: that has any narrative impact. Um. I mean, like one

1383
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: of the ways that like Brian and Vince like try

1384
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: to exert dominance over each other is like trying to

1385
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: claim ownership of Mia, Like they're like Mia is like

1386
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: the object of affection and everyone's just like, but she's mine. Um.

1387
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: So there's just all these different things. Yes, it is

1388
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: good that we have a more racially diverse cast than

1389
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: we are used to seeing in movies of this nature,

1390
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,480
Speaker 1: But I just think that, I mean, between the underdeveloped

1391
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: female characters who we do get to know, and then

1392
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: the rest of any woman who we see on screen

1393
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: is clearly just there as like hyper sexualized, objectified set

1394
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: dressing just doesn't really do the gender any service. So

1395
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a half nipple, and I'm going

1396
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: to give that half nipple too. I suppose Michelle Rodriguez

1397
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: for advocating that women be more meaningful and more meaningful

1398
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: part of this story in the much much later movies

1399
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: of this franchise, I'm going to do you a I'm

1400
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: gonna do one and give it a one. I I

1401
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,440
Speaker 1: do think that there are positive elements of this franchise

1402
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 1: in general as it pertains to gender, especially this movie specifically,

1403
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: not that much. There is the way that women are framed.

1404
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: The way the camera frames women in this movie is

1405
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 1: like super sexual and to the point where it's like funny,

1406
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: which should never be the case. It's really weird. Uh.

1407
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: The sound check sucks a job. It's too it's too loud.

1408
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that some elements of the male friendships,

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01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: the very racially diverse cast, and the fact that there

1410
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: is at very least a queer woman of color helming

1411
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: the token girl in the franchise. Her character's head row

1412
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: as far as we can tell. But but in terms

1413
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: of like represent I mean I think that her like

1414
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: being openly queer and still being in a major franchise

1415
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: is progress so basically only because of Michelle Rodriguez, because

1416
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: it seems like there has never been a woman behind

1417
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: the camera of a fast and furious production based on

1418
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: the credits of this movie. But for the things that

1419
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: we're given, I'm gonna give it one nippy and give it.

1420
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: Give you back to Michelle Room Baby Room on that

1421
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: say thank you so much for being here. I think

1422
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: I begged you to let me do this and I

1423
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: kind of got torn apart. But a lot of times, yeah, sometimes,

1424
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to stop watching. That's what this

1425
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: podcast is all about. You're still allowed to love the

1426
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: things you love. I just we just encourage people to

1427
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: examine the things that they love critically. Oh to close,

1428
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: Actually a fae, would you mind sharing the drinking game

1429
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: with us? Okay, yeah, so I will name a couple

1430
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: of things I remember that are notable, and I want

1431
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to my friends Zach Cornfeld

1432
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: who helped develop this game with me. Um, So you

1433
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: drink any time the rock is so so sweaty and

1434
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: no one else's anytime vin is wearing sleeves. Oh a

1435
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: gratuitous butt shot. Um. Especially in the movie where they

1436
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: go to Brazil, they have the same b roll shot

1437
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: of the there's like a big statue. Um. They show

1438
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: that about fifteen times, so you're going to want to

1439
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 1: drink every time. They kind of Jesus statue. I think

1440
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: it's a I think maybe merrist it's incredibly feminist. Um,

1441
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: what are smarther things? Anytime, like sort of a henchman dies,

1442
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: A lot of people die, and it's it's sort of unrecognized.

1443
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: I would say in the first one, Well, I don't

1444
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: know if those deaths count to your discretion. You may

1445
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: drink or you may not. UM. And anytime they just

1446
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: straight up to five physics. Um, as I said, the

1447
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: stakes get higher and higher. There are trained scenes, there

1448
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,480
Speaker 1: are there are cliffs, there are airplanes, there are parachutes.

1449
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: You're going to get pretty drunk later on. UM. Let

1450
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: me think if there's like a final one. I can

1451
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: you know if anyone wants to d m me, I'll

1452
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: send them the PDF. But the highlights, oh, anytime you

1453
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 1: do think, um, either Vin in the Rock or Vin

1454
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: and Brian are going to make out, but they don't, right,

1455
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: they get really close, like physically and emotionally. I feel

1456
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 1: like there are some charge scenes. YEA, so happy drinking,

1457
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: happy drinking? And where can we where can we find

1458
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: you in the world Wide Web? Um? I am at

1459
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: fay or love on everything, and then the Junior High

1460
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: space is at Junior High l a also on everything

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01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,560
Speaker 1: on Hollywood Boulevard. Yes, and physically we exist as a

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01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: space on Hollywood Boulevard where the skanks hang out and

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Speaker 1: say hi. I mean we're all out there. I'm always

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Speaker 1: there on Hollywood Boulevard because I am personally a skank. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: skanks welcome. Actually we might make new shirts welcome, accepted

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Speaker 1: and applauded. Yes, and you and you make you design things.

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Speaker 1: You've got stickers and and and items that you should.

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Speaker 1: I know, I didn't bring you gifts this time. I

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Speaker 1: got to make more fast. I'm Jewish, so it's actually,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I have to make some more merch. I

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Speaker 1: have to be careful with the merch I make because

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Speaker 1: I do get called out a lot because I have

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Speaker 1: a lot of problematic phaves, mostly their Kardashians. But I

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Speaker 1: think even and Paul retrospective mug could be called for.

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, since you just got to choose the moment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all. But thank you so much for of course,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here our stuff. You can follow us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Although do I ever go on

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Speaker 1: that website hardly ever, not to break, but um yeah,

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Speaker 1: check us out on writing reviews on iTunes if you

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Speaker 1: so choose, especially if you want to give us, you know,

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Speaker 1: five nips oh liker, Yes, on the on the planet.

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Speaker 1: It took me a second, it's been a long day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you can check out our Patreon aka Matreon. Five

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Speaker 1: dollars a month means that you get two extra episodes

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Speaker 1: a month and access to our full back catalog, which

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Speaker 1: is now approaching fifty extra episodes that you've never heard,

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Speaker 1: so it's a mind up. And check out our tea

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Speaker 1: Public store with all our merch t public dot com

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Speaker 1: slash the Bechtel Cast, which hopefully, by the time this

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Speaker 1: episode airs, I will have made the fast and the Feminist. Uh,

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Speaker 1: because of course you do. Yeah, so yeah, check out

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Speaker 1: check out all our merch We've got We've got it

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Speaker 1: all and until next time, friends, true beam and break.

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Speaker 1: Bye