Speaker 1: Ready to throw those a deep passed outfield, got Scotty
Speaker 1: Miller of the Albice Basic Cats, touched up top by
Speaker 1: Bay Scotty Scooter Bellar and Brady puts it right on
Speaker 1: the spot, snapped to Rogers looking right, locks it down
Speaker 1: the right side and he's got a bad call. A
Speaker 1: touchdown down Yes, forecast left. Puts it into the air apartment,
Speaker 1: standing in his eleven yard line, drops it, tops it
Speaker 1: loose ball looks like it's recovered by buffalo. When he
Speaker 1: goes into the A zone. Taiwan Jones comes with it
Speaker 1: the two yard line and give it off inside handoff
Speaker 1: goes to Darrell Williams trucks. They defender diving touchdown chans
Speaker 1: a city like an eighteen wheeler trusting through a bunch
Speaker 1: of a bails. It is Darrell Williams on the six
Speaker 1: yards touchdown run and the chief said the first lead
Speaker 1: of the game. The Sounds Championships. Sunday, Welcome to another
Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is
Speaker 1: Dan has I come to from a virtual room filled
Speaker 1: with some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. Boys. We have
Speaker 1: a super Bowl and it involves Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: What could you really complain about? Honestly, I mean Mark
Speaker 1: could find some things. I'm sure, right, I am not
Speaker 1: I am. I think this is a marvelous matchup and
Speaker 1: it's pretty stunning that this is where we are. Um,
Speaker 1: when we started all of this back in March and
Speaker 1: Brady signed with the Bucks, I mean, this could have
Speaker 1: gone one of a million different directions. I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: by my homes, but this is an incredible sports story.
Speaker 1: I think as we get older, it's like you feel
Speaker 1: even when we're not particularly invested, you know, these aren't
Speaker 1: our teams. You feel worse for the teams that lose.
Speaker 1: Like I was rooting for the Bucks today, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that Packers game seems haunting to me because we've all
Speaker 1: just loved watching Aaron Rodgers over the years, and I
Speaker 1: know we're gonna get into it. But in the Bills too,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure a lot of people kind of
Speaker 1: went on that ride and and you feel it more.
Speaker 1: That's just like, Okay, yeah, the super Bowl stories are great,
Speaker 1: but these two stories that just ended today, you feel
Speaker 1: for him. I felt a little cheated um by especially
Speaker 1: the first game today, that we were overdue a classic,
Speaker 1: you know, of the playoffs, and that was all set
Speaker 1: up and in matt le Flora, I don't want to
Speaker 1: pile on, but it's your fault. You took that classic
Speaker 1: from us. And then when the second game went sideways
Speaker 1: and we realized that was our last chance before the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl to have a classic, Oh bearded boy, Oh
Speaker 1: bearded boy, We're gonna it was pretty close. I know
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into it, but it was pretty close
Speaker 1: to a classic. It was a great game. It just
Speaker 1: you know, as you said, didn't quite stick the landing
Speaker 1: of like a classic. You're not that that was not
Speaker 1: a classic by any by anyone's estimation. Right, They had
Speaker 1: a shot and then it did not did not happen
Speaker 1: with incredibly compelling for fifty seven minutes of game action
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. So I'm just saying, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna come. I'm not gonna complain about that one,
Speaker 1: all right, Well I will and that and that's that's
Speaker 1: where we're That's how we're different. We're all different. That's
Speaker 1: what makes the podcast fun. We're gonna get it to
Speaker 1: both games played today. We'll talk a little bit, of
Speaker 1: course about what comes next, um, Let's start with yes.
Speaker 1: The first game and it went down at lambeau Field
Speaker 1: and uh Man Tom Brady did it again. Here's the
Speaker 1: staff of the end a round to God when God,
Speaker 1: when running to the first got the first down across
Speaker 1: the party box. Are gonna win this buckball game? Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers with a re first play who would have
Speaker 1: guessed Byron left? Which and Bruce arians dial up the
Speaker 1: right play Godwin our leading receiver he robs for the
Speaker 1: first down and the Buccaneers have a fresh set with
Speaker 1: twenty seven seconds left. Tampa Bay Bucaneers are going to
Speaker 1: be the first team ever to host a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The Bucks to punch their ticket to Super Bowl g
Speaker 1: w f U s with the call yes. That end
Speaker 1: around sealed it for the Bucks the Big Game to
Speaker 1: run out the clock of a win for the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers over the Green Bay Packers in the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship Game. The Bucks advanced to their first Super Bowl
Speaker 1: since way back in the two thousand two seasons. From
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee and Brad Johnson and Warren sapp roamed the
Speaker 1: gridiron now and wishes excuse me, Bruden, You're right it
Speaker 1: was a long time ago, as I said, but this
Speaker 1: time it was a Bucks team led by Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and Greg tom Brady wasn't perfect in this game through
Speaker 1: three touchdown passes through for two yards, but he also
Speaker 1: threw three interceptions and gave Green Bay every chance to
Speaker 1: get back into this game when it seemed like it
Speaker 1: was gonna be a blowout at a certain point. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the Tampa Bay defense
Speaker 1: uh stiffened up and when Tom Brady was given the
Speaker 1: chance to seal the game, and that is a big
Speaker 1: talking point obviously, why did he get this opportunity in
Speaker 1: Matt la Floor's decision making, Brady and the Bucks offense
Speaker 1: closed it out and now they're going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I know a very Jamis Winston line there in the
Speaker 1: box score like two eighty three and three, you know,
Speaker 1: with like thirty one points. But um, I think it
Speaker 1: goes to show every part of the Bucks contributed in
Speaker 1: this game. Godwin, who I've long thought is one of
Speaker 1: the most underrated players, not has been not been his
Speaker 1: best year. Man, he showed up today. He might have
Speaker 1: been their m d P. So many big plays the
Speaker 1: defensive line. You know, Barrett um in Viata Vea and
Speaker 1: j Saint Pierre Paul where such difference maker white Head
Speaker 1: forces a couple you know, fumbles, and you said it
Speaker 1: like we take it for granted that Brady was throwing
Speaker 1: there when they got the past interference call against the
Speaker 1: Bucks that I mean against the Packers, that pretty much
Speaker 1: put the game away. But that kind of went with
Speaker 1: the rest of the game. Like Bruce arians was going
Speaker 1: for it, he was not going to run the ball
Speaker 1: in that situation. I don't think he would have kicked
Speaker 1: field goals in the same situation that Matt Lafleur did.
Speaker 1: And he's going for on fourth and three too, and
Speaker 1: the first half with thirteen seconds to go, that was
Speaker 1: one of the biggest players of the game. They kept
Speaker 1: the ball and then they hit a touchdown the next play.
Speaker 1: The fortune favors the bold and uh, you know la
Speaker 1: Fleur and the Packers they I think they had the
Speaker 1: better quarterback today, but they did not have the better team,
Speaker 1: right And it's you know, the field goal is because
Speaker 1: the nature of football, um, it was massively pivotal to
Speaker 1: decide to kick that field goal with two and a
Speaker 1: few seconds two minutes and a few seconds left and
Speaker 1: I guess to me, I I'm just stunned by the
Speaker 1: more global decision to put the ball in the hands
Speaker 1: of Tom Brady because you're saying you somewhat trust the
Speaker 1: idea that Mike Petton's defense is gonna slow this Bucks
Speaker 1: team down versus going for it with Aaron Rodgers, one
Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks we've ever witnessed in our life.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's not just those mistakes though,
Speaker 1: because I thought that the the sequence before halftime where
Speaker 1: you get the Sean Murphy bunting interception of Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: that turned into the thirty nine yard Scotty Miller touchdown
Speaker 1: were afterwards. I mean, La Fleur, who's while it is
Speaker 1: answering questions about his own issues um basically called out
Speaker 1: Mike Petton and said it was man coverage. Definitely not
Speaker 1: the right call for that situation. You've got to be
Speaker 1: guarding against the edges, you've gotta be guarding against the
Speaker 1: end zone, and you've got them one on one Scotty Miller,
Speaker 1: who's in there, Frantonio Brown of all things. So you
Speaker 1: talk about different people stepping up, and I love the
Speaker 1: way the Packers were running ball running the ball in
Speaker 1: the second quarter, and then when you come out of
Speaker 1: halftime on right after that terrible sequenced and a half
Speaker 1: and you have the Aaron Jones fumble and it turns
Speaker 1: into another Bucks touchdown. That's essentially sort of a twenty
Speaker 1: eight point swing if you felt confident that Green Bay
Speaker 1: could have potentially scored touchdowns on those drives. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's huge. The Mike pett decision not to give the
Speaker 1: safety in one and man coverage help uh that that
Speaker 1: evoked memories of Greg Williams did to get fired for
Speaker 1: the Jets against the Raiders. Just a lapse at the
Speaker 1: end of a half or at the end of a
Speaker 1: game that just cannot happen. It was too risky a
Speaker 1: play call for that juncture. They got burned for it.
Speaker 1: And you know now what you mentioned it And it
Speaker 1: was fourth and goal at the Tampa Bay eight yard line.
Speaker 1: It was thirty The Packers had a chance to score
Speaker 1: a touchdown, convert the two point conversion, and get this
Speaker 1: game to thirty one with two minutes to go. This
Speaker 1: is this is what I talked about when I say
Speaker 1: this is why I felt as a fan it was
Speaker 1: taken from us, because that's drama. Aaron Rodgers on the
Speaker 1: field fourth and goal at the eight with the game
Speaker 1: on the line, and you trot out Mason Crosby for
Speaker 1: a twenty six yard field goal, and Matt lafleur Um
Speaker 1: after the game said he regrets it, but he didn't
Speaker 1: regret it because he thought he made the wrong decision.
Speaker 1: I think some people were parsing his words. He regretted
Speaker 1: that it didn't work out, and whenever something doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: I regret it. But the truth matter is he did
Speaker 1: and Greg, you tweeted the same thing I did right
Speaker 1: in the moment, which was in that moment, and this
Speaker 1: is why, and this when the stage is like this,
Speaker 1: and we saw it was Stefanski last week too. Sometimes
Speaker 1: these coaches get tense. You go with I'm gonna trust
Speaker 1: my defense with essentially four time outs because you got
Speaker 1: the two minute warning, uh, and then the three time
Speaker 1: outs to get me the stop and get the ball
Speaker 1: back to score another touchdown over Aaron Rodgers on a
Speaker 1: fourth and goal spot. And that is that is very
Speaker 1: hard to wrap your head around after the game. Uh,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers says, you might expect was asked about Matt
Speaker 1: Lafleur's decision to pull the offense off the field and
Speaker 1: kicked the field goal to get it to five points
Speaker 1: with two minutes to play. Karon, did you agree with
Speaker 1: the decision to kick it there on fourth down? We
Speaker 1: didn't have a decision on that one. Um. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: wasn't my decision. I understand thinking above two minutes with
Speaker 1: all of our time outs, but yeah, it wasn't my decision.
Speaker 1: That's as far as Rogers can go without actually throwing
Speaker 1: his head coach under the bus. Yeah, it's an impossible
Speaker 1: question to answer. He he had another telling answer when
Speaker 1: they asked about the third down though, two, which is
Speaker 1: that you know, he thought he might have had a
Speaker 1: chance to get it in running, that maybe he should
Speaker 1: have run it, and that he thought he might have had,
Speaker 1: you know, four downs there. Now, you're right about the
Speaker 1: moment um, and I think Lafleur really aired and and
Speaker 1: not going for it in the first half to where
Speaker 1: they were closer. And I don't think it was the
Speaker 1: moment that got to Aaron Rodgers, but he made two
Speaker 1: straight bad decisions on second and third down. I I
Speaker 1: you know, I thought there was a play to be
Speaker 1: made on second down which we kind of forget and
Speaker 1: he ends up throwing it. He had a lane to
Speaker 1: run there, and I would love to see a different angle.
Speaker 1: They never really showed it to us. We'll be able
Speaker 1: to see it when game pass puts it up from
Speaker 1: the overhead view of like how much room he had
Speaker 1: in front of him to run on that down angle.
Speaker 1: We never got it. It was a little you know,
Speaker 1: it was a little indecisive on both of those plays
Speaker 1: where he didn't have anyone right around it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a great player, but those are just two massive
Speaker 1: plays in an otherwise really good game out of him.
Speaker 1: And I think about Davante Adams essentially dropping the touchdown
Speaker 1: on first down in the first half on the goal line.
Speaker 1: You were the best team in the NFL in goal
Speaker 1: to ghost situations. There were twenty four coming into this game,
Speaker 1: and and uh and they had two situations in this
Speaker 1: one where they didn't get it done. So it bothers
Speaker 1: me that flurred did that. Um, But you have to
Speaker 1: put it on them on the players to not executing
Speaker 1: leading up to that well, and it's there was three
Speaker 1: straight incompletions to Davante Adams on that first drive that
Speaker 1: forced them to kick a field goal from the six,
Speaker 1: and I I like watching some another angle of that
Speaker 1: chance to run on third down. I really think that's
Speaker 1: important what what Aaron Rodgers said, because in his mind,
Speaker 1: you'd have to imagine he viewed it his fourth down
Speaker 1: territory and if anything had he taken off, he could
Speaker 1: have gotten far enough where I think you'd have to
Speaker 1: change the idea to kick a field goal there if
Speaker 1: it's you know, from the two or something, maybe La
Speaker 1: Fleur goes in a different direction. It's just an incredibly
Speaker 1: unfortunate I mean, listen, Aaron Rodgers, who is He's going
Speaker 1: to tell you how he feels, even if he doesn't
Speaker 1: put it into words. I mean, the weight of the
Speaker 1: entire season um just comes down to that moment. And
Speaker 1: it's been such a long journey. And this is someone
Speaker 1: who thought they'd be in the super Bowl with an
Speaker 1: m v peak, you know, season taking on the homes
Speaker 1: and instead a really bizarre coaching decision changes everything for
Speaker 1: hundred of people attached that organization. To be fair, I
Speaker 1: think we should point out that Aaron Rodgers and the
Speaker 1: Packers offense, they're an offensive team, got the ball three
Speaker 1: times in the fourth quarter, Patton's defense got them three interceptions,
Speaker 1: they went three and out, three and out field goal
Speaker 1: and and so it was a lot. You know, It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think any one thing is to blame,
Speaker 1: but it's like they had their chances. I think it's
Speaker 1: the toughest loss of Aaron Rodgers career. Well, you maybe
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in the uh NFC title game six or
Speaker 1: seven years ago. Um, that is one of the worst
Speaker 1: losses I've ever seen any team suffered through. And I
Speaker 1: know when you're fifteen and one, you got beat by
Speaker 1: the Giants that year after in the first half of
Speaker 1: that game and did the exact same way Hail Mary
Speaker 1: to Hakim Nicks, right, But I think there was something
Speaker 1: extra on this one that makes it hurt more. Um,
Speaker 1: the fact that he had all this drama around him,
Speaker 1: that he was coming off by his standards on season
Speaker 1: or two, that the Jordan's love move happened, that he
Speaker 1: was kind of in the media cross hairs about his future,
Speaker 1: and then he comes out and he plays it gives
Speaker 1: you know, this is one of the best quarterback seasons
Speaker 1: you'll ever see. He's gonna win m v P, get
Speaker 1: home field advantage and now all you gotta do, um
Speaker 1: is get past Tom Brady in your building to get
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl and have the storybook ending for
Speaker 1: that not to work out for it and the way
Speaker 1: it did, where there's the frustration of being pulled off
Speaker 1: the field and not getting back on the field, and
Speaker 1: this leads to and we're gonna get to the bucks
Speaker 1: right after this. But I think this is important because
Speaker 1: is what people are gonna be talking about after the game.
Speaker 1: Rogers is now musing about the future and what comes
Speaker 1: next after the deep disappointment of Sunday, the guys futures
Speaker 1: where you know, uncertain myself included. Uh, that's what's said
Speaker 1: about it most goodness far. Obviously it's gonna be an
Speaker 1: end to it at some point, whether we make it
Speaker 1: asked this one or not, but just the uncertainties stuff
Speaker 1: from the finality of it all. And Mark I think
Speaker 1: he if you ask me, there's no way he doesn't
Speaker 1: come back next year. And people are reading too much
Speaker 1: into the emotions right after a game. But when he
Speaker 1: says that, you know he he doesn't know what happens
Speaker 1: next for him. It's because there is a first round
Speaker 1: pick quarterback on the roster, so that throws in a
Speaker 1: little bit of mystery to all this. Um your thoughts
Speaker 1: on Roger's mindset after the game, Yeah, because I think
Speaker 1: number one, I mean Roger's in the summer, Um was
Speaker 1: so refreshingly honest about the fact that, look it, no
Speaker 1: matter what I achieved or have achieved, when you've drafted
Speaker 1: the first round quarterback, they're gonna want to see him
Speaker 1: at some point. So he already knew then that he
Speaker 1: may have a truncated finish with the Packers. But Um, tonight,
Speaker 1: I think it's what you get from a lot of
Speaker 1: players when you suffer a grizzly loss. It's like, I
Speaker 1: need time to think about this. I need time to
Speaker 1: think about, um the future. And he mentioned you know
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of players on that team
Speaker 1: with UM, I didn't questionable futures. I mean, they have
Speaker 1: two pass rushers with a thirty eight million dollar combined
Speaker 1: price tag cap hit next year. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: for me, it's like, this is the worst Rogers loss,
Speaker 1: and I those the Seattle one. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: say punch by punch, but we're we're guys, right, And
Speaker 1: so suddenly you think about where you were seven years
Speaker 1: ago and the worst thing that happened to you. But
Speaker 1: you're younger, you have time to get over it. Or
Speaker 1: that giant's lost from their fifteen and one. He had
Speaker 1: decades and EON's to get over it and to come back.
Speaker 1: But now it's like you're getting up there in age,
Speaker 1: and who knows better than Aaron Rodgers how tough it
Speaker 1: is to get back to this point. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: agree with everything both of you said. I do think
Speaker 1: he's he is Aaron Rodgers, so I give him the
Speaker 1: credit that he he is in control enough even when
Speaker 1: he's emotional, to have a point to that. Now is
Speaker 1: the point you're right there and just he's kind of
Speaker 1: thrown out there. Look, hey, they put me in this situation.
Speaker 1: You never know if I'm gonna be back or is
Speaker 1: it I've got in the back of my mind, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need something to be happy about coming back. I
Speaker 1: think either it could be possible, you know, he could
Speaker 1: look at it like I don't want to go into
Speaker 1: next year as some uh, in some situation where it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like I almost know it's going to be
Speaker 1: my last year unless I win the m v P
Speaker 1: here because you're gonna want to play love, so hey,
Speaker 1: maybe give me some more guaranteed money. Uh. It'd be
Speaker 1: hard to imagine him saying, like, trade me. I see
Speaker 1: all these trades stuff popping up, and that seems a
Speaker 1: little premature, especially because I gotta imagine the Packers will
Speaker 1: do everything they possibly can to make sure that he's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, and David Bach dir he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: He just signed a huge deal, and plenty of other
Speaker 1: great Packers players that he loves playing with aren't going anywhere.
Speaker 1: But is there a little bit of you that maybe
Speaker 1: if you're in Rogers, you're looking across the way it
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, who you know, two years ago, no one
Speaker 1: would have thought that would happen. Maybe a start and
Speaker 1: you would get to your in control of your I
Speaker 1: guess your legacy in a different way, and not under
Speaker 1: the Packers umbrella. I don't feels different to me, though,
Speaker 1: because I think one of the sins of the end
Speaker 1: of the Brady air in New England is that they
Speaker 1: didn't grasp the urgency and they left him that's never
Speaker 1: it never ended because they thought the end was four
Speaker 1: Super Bowls ago, right, But like by the end of
Speaker 1: the time. It was an easy decision for Tim to
Speaker 1: leave because his offense around him was not good, he
Speaker 1: didn't have the weapons, he felt like he was not
Speaker 1: going to be able to get over the hump. I
Speaker 1: think Green Bay's done an excellent job the last two
Speaker 1: years with Matt Lafleur of building up an awesome ecosystem
Speaker 1: around Rodgers and a great offense, and you know, they
Speaker 1: got this far. They got they you know, had a
Speaker 1: chance to tie the game late in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: of the NFCY titled him how frustrating it must be
Speaker 1: to once again not be able to get over the hump.
Speaker 1: But like the idea of Tom Brady needing to go
Speaker 1: somewhere else to be better set up or better appreciated,
Speaker 1: I think there's still is like the idea that this
Speaker 1: is like a not a possibility. I mean, the NFL
Speaker 1: is evolving and changing and players have more say in
Speaker 1: power than ever before, and I think that there is
Speaker 1: a centage chance that he's somewhere else next year based
Speaker 1: on who he is, and give it to me, I
Speaker 1: give it as a okay on that okay, but by
Speaker 1: the way, that's the information we have that can grow
Speaker 1: and grow I'm not saying it stays there right now.
Speaker 1: It's at nine on the Tampa Bay side. And let's
Speaker 1: let's give the Bucks there due now because what they
Speaker 1: were able to do as a wild card team here
Speaker 1: ripped through the NFC with three straight road wins, including
Speaker 1: this game. Again, and this kind of ties back to
Speaker 1: the Roger's point. This Packers offense has been so awesome.
Speaker 1: Uh just just a buzz staw that went through teams
Speaker 1: until they dealt with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And it
Speaker 1: was a theme earlier in the season as well. But
Speaker 1: in this game, Devin White, the superstar of last week's win,
Speaker 1: fifteen tackles and a fumble recovery. Shack Barrett blows up
Speaker 1: in this game with three sacks, two tackles for lost
Speaker 1: four QB hits. Jason Pierre Paul he also has multi
Speaker 1: uh has two sacks, two tackles for lost two QB hits.
Speaker 1: They did exactly what we talked about um Gregg entering
Speaker 1: this game where they needed this pass rush, which on
Speaker 1: paper is rock solid, uh too, then actually do it
Speaker 1: and and pile up the hurries and make Aaron Rodgers uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And they did that that was I think the key
Speaker 1: to the game the front seven performance by Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that was the difference
Speaker 1: because you look at that the money Um Green Bass
Speaker 1: paying up front. They did not get enough pressure on
Speaker 1: Brady and then you look at what Tampa Bay did.
Speaker 1: And I've been kind of getting on this pass rush
Speaker 1: for being more named than than game for a lot
Speaker 1: of this year's Bucks fans. No, they have not been
Speaker 1: the same since Beta Veil lost. And I know Veya
Speaker 1: didn't show up in the statue, but I would watch them.
Speaker 1: They only brought him in on third down passing situations,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not like a coaching offensive line guru,
Speaker 1: but he was getting pushed. And those were the players
Speaker 1: that Barrett Um was made can plays. Those were the
Speaker 1: plays that JPP was making play. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's all Vea or they all just sort of
Speaker 1: balled out um, But I know Mark was was having
Speaker 1: a tough time watching his boy Billy Turner. You know,
Speaker 1: we were on sky Sports. Neil asses for an X
Speaker 1: factor of the game. I don't know, maybe X factor
Speaker 1: could be like bad X factor and Mark goes like
Speaker 1: super um hipster football hipster tape dog guy and goes
Speaker 1: Billy Turner and then Turners just getting beat up all
Speaker 1: day by his yeah, his old nemesis, Jack Barrett, you know.
Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, I like it was t J Lang,
Speaker 1: the former Packers lineman who noted that that Um Turner
Speaker 1: had in the last playoff game basically gone into a
Speaker 1: three point stance on every run play, but at two
Speaker 1: point stance on every past play, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of a tell. And I just wondered if maybe they
Speaker 1: would pick up on that. And I think it was
Speaker 1: just massive. It was also just JPP overpowering. Um it's
Speaker 1: someone who's not David Patti. I think it's one of
Speaker 1: the biggest absences in this game was box tr Is
Speaker 1: not being there for them. Um. Yeah, there wasn't much
Speaker 1: separating these two teams. I don't think it was those
Speaker 1: little goal line plays. It was the past or after
Speaker 1: what you didn't like look at you didn't watch this
Speaker 1: stand and think like, I don't know, the Packers didn't
Speaker 1: show up right, and it felt over And then Green
Speaker 1: guy goes right down the field, gets the touchdown and
Speaker 1: they get the interception I believe, and go back down
Speaker 1: the field again and it felt like the momentum and
Speaker 1: the surge was there. Um that's what surprised me the
Speaker 1: most when they got that stop finally, especially the final
Speaker 1: Rady interception, and he thought, Okay, now they're really setting
Speaker 1: up Aaron Rodgers to march down the field and take
Speaker 1: control into Tampa Bay's credit, they just didn't let it happen.
Speaker 1: But it'll be hard. You know. My dad famously called
Speaker 1: Matt with Floor the bearded boy. And you know, winning
Speaker 1: in the championship conference, championship weekend, that's man's work. I
Speaker 1: mean that that's when you need to have the means
Speaker 1: and the belief in your team. You have to learn
Speaker 1: from guys like Andy Reid. If Andy Reid can trust
Speaker 1: chat Chad Henny with his season on the line, you
Speaker 1: need to trust Aaron Rodgers. That That's what I'll remember
Speaker 1: about this game and maybe this whole playoff run because
Speaker 1: the Packers team, while everyone else for the most part,
Speaker 1: was in on the Bills. I really like this idea
Speaker 1: of the Aaron Rodgers full on revenge season that that
Speaker 1: caps not just with the league MVP, but going to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and really sticking it to his team
Speaker 1: for not showing faith in him by taking Jordan's love.
Speaker 1: And now that's out the window. Tom Brady instead goes
Speaker 1: back to the Super Bowl. A couple of crazy Tom
Speaker 1: Brady stats. His tent super Bowl appearance. Now Brady, that's
Speaker 1: double the next closest guy, which was Elway, and uh,
Speaker 1: this will be his this will be his third Super
Speaker 1: Bowl appearances. Is all from the great people at NFL
Speaker 1: Media Research, Jeff Greenholtz, his team. This will be Brady's
Speaker 1: third super Bowl appearance at age forty or older. Only
Speaker 1: eleven other quarterbacks have made three Super Bowls in their
Speaker 1: entire careers, and he has now made it in three
Speaker 1: of his four age forty seasons, and on a new team.
Speaker 1: And the extra nugget that I love, Greg that I
Speaker 1: didn't even know it was a thing until you brought
Speaker 1: it up on our TV show on Friday. There are
Speaker 1: Patriots fans that are smarting tonight, and beyond Bill Pelichick,
Speaker 1: who's dying right now, other Patriots fans upset the Tommy
Speaker 1: boy is doing it for somebody else. And then I
Speaker 1: thought about it some more. It's like, what if Derek
Speaker 1: Jeter went to the Dodgers and did this. I guess
Speaker 1: that would bother me a little bit, so I understand it,
Speaker 1: but I guess it depends on your rooty interests. And
Speaker 1: now we're like way down the rabbit hole here, but
Speaker 1: you have to accept them that there's I think even
Speaker 1: more Patriots fans And I was, you know, texting many
Speaker 1: of them that our loved nous and are you know
Speaker 1: living and dying with these bucks? Not not like if
Speaker 1: it was the Pats, but are enjoying the hell out
Speaker 1: of this? Right? Because it's like a bandwagon, by the way,
Speaker 1: but like you're buying, it's not like it's not the same,
Speaker 1: but like, why would you not in joy watching this
Speaker 1: great player who gave you so much? Can I do
Speaker 1: something like offer for a reason? Why? Right? Because and
Speaker 1: you're right, we don't need to go down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole too much. But because Mark Brady is now offered
Speaker 1: definitive proof that the Patriots, if they just would have
Speaker 1: done better at housekeeping inside their building, could have had
Speaker 1: him for another few years and continued as a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl contemption. But they couldn't They hit the wall money wise?
Speaker 1: I mean, could you could run the team better, draft better,
Speaker 1: spend your money better, and maybe you could have gotten
Speaker 1: another three or four years of Tom Brady. Instead you
Speaker 1: say goodbye and he goes to the Super Bowl somebody else.
Speaker 1: The relationships need to end at some point, and like this,
Speaker 1: this is a this idea that that Belichick is steaming
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Literally no proof to this at all.
Speaker 1: Radio topic. Imagine if the Jets gave you six super
Speaker 1: Bowls like in the last twenty years, like you would
Speaker 1: feel so sad as that you would be grateful to
Speaker 1: this person. And and you just like football too. I
Speaker 1: mean that's part of it. Obviously, I'm attached to Brady,
Speaker 1: but you love watching I love watching history. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he did not play. You know, people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: Brady's getting a little too much credit again, It's like,
Speaker 1: I get it. He threw three interceptions in this game,
Speaker 1: like in two two or pretty much on him. One
Speaker 1: one not so much. Um, the last one I'm not
Speaker 1: going to kill him for. But like he also made
Speaker 1: some great reads. You know, he had some gems in
Speaker 1: this game. He knew exactly like where to go, when
Speaker 1: to go. He his arm looks amazing and he's the
Speaker 1: one you know who got them here, and it's it's
Speaker 1: just remarkable, I don't know, remarkable. It's remarkable. I mean
Speaker 1: like you're talking like he's he's won as many NFC
Speaker 1: championships as Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees have. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not easy to do. It's not easy to do.
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to hear from Brady before we
Speaker 1: move on? Please on the road and win up? You
Speaker 1: know another road playoff game? Is it just a great achievement?
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, now a home super Bowl for
Speaker 1: the first time in NFL history, I think puts a
Speaker 1: lot of cool things in perspective. Anytime you're the first
Speaker 1: time doing something, it's usually a pretty good thing. So
Speaker 1: now we just gotta go. Uh, you have great two
Speaker 1: weeks prepare for whoever it is, and you know, be
Speaker 1: ready to go. And he looks better than all of
Speaker 1: us to mark. Here's the thing, though, if you're the field,
Speaker 1: goals can be the thing everyone talks about forever. Two
Speaker 1: of those Brady interceptions, the Packers took the ball and
Speaker 1: went to combine negative five yards off six plays. You've
Speaker 1: got six points off of three Brady interceptions. If you
Speaker 1: knew coming into this game that he was going to
Speaker 1: throw those three passes, I would have predicted a Packers
Speaker 1: route right, And I would have predicted if the Packers
Speaker 1: get eight points there at the end, yes we get
Speaker 1: the classic game, Dan, But I would have predicted Tyler
Speaker 1: Johnson catching some crazy pass on the sideline to set
Speaker 1: up Ryan suck Up for a game winning field goal.
Speaker 1: And that's, you know, probably how it would end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't doubt it after all these years. I don't
Speaker 1: doubt at all. Markham on Belichick dying. I simply, I like,
Speaker 1: I know that you at this point, you're clinging to
Speaker 1: anything you can. This isn't I find that to be
Speaker 1: utterly you know. It's the funny part that that all
Speaker 1: you Belichick soldiers out there don't even entertain it as
Speaker 1: a possibility. I want to answer the question for me,
Speaker 1: I entertained it. You know. It's like, is he that
Speaker 1: small of a person? I think it's the people mostly
Speaker 1: covering Belichick that veer towards the smallness. I mean, Belichick
Speaker 1: is competitive. He probably hates seeing like he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be tagged as like the reason the Patriots failed
Speaker 1: this season. But I mean they achieve more together than
Speaker 1: any coach and player give me an I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no saying it of course I'll
Speaker 1: allow it. It you you just do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to say it, will you? I got it work, though?
Speaker 1: Will you allow me this? Then? Mark that he might think, Man,
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I would have handled the end
Speaker 1: of this a little better because obviously this guy could
Speaker 1: have taken me to the big game super Bowl two
Speaker 1: years ago. I mean, I don't know how much better
Speaker 1: you handled the end? Like it needed to come to
Speaker 1: a close. It just did. That's why did it have
Speaker 1: to end? What does that mean? Because they couldn't even
Speaker 1: pay Brady what they needed to with their caps situation.
Speaker 1: Like I just think it, like maybe I could have
Speaker 1: spent better, maybe I could have drafted better. It didn't
Speaker 1: have to be I didn't have to be watching. You
Speaker 1: don't spend that money than some of those Super Bowl
Speaker 1: wins which were all so close, don't become reality. So
Speaker 1: he's like he's made four out of the last six,
Speaker 1: by the way, it did have to at some point,
Speaker 1: and you know, not enough enough, But like you can
Speaker 1: be satisfied with what what you got. I am. They
Speaker 1: don't need to win anymore. Rest you guys, You guys
Speaker 1: got a good job. You mentioned since age forty, if
Speaker 1: you back it up to thirty seven. He's made you know,
Speaker 1: four out of six super balls. That's just crazy. That's
Speaker 1: just crazy. Like we we a someone tweeted us at
Speaker 1: this could you now, could you now divide his career
Speaker 1: into thirds and they're all Hall of Fame careers. I mean,
Speaker 1: justintive that kind of had a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 1: Now it's great, that is I mean, if you want to,
Speaker 1: I think that they divide the career in half, half
Speaker 1: is good and they're both hall of Fame. That to
Speaker 1: me is what makes him the goat because I love
Speaker 1: that perspective. Divided by thirds, that's a wild thought. Now
Speaker 1: we're getting into Kurt Warners and his last third is
Speaker 1: is there with Kurt Warners? Maybe I don't. Tony Romo
Speaker 1: said today, he said that Patrick will Holmes is a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer if he retired today. So maybe the
Speaker 1: idea of breaking his career into seven year chunks. Brady's
Speaker 1: done that three times at least, so I have no
Speaker 1: part problem give him a third Hall of Fame. So
Speaker 1: it's the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who come out of the NFC.
Speaker 1: Who will they face in Tampa? In Tampa the Bucks
Speaker 1: and Tampa. COVID makes it weird, of course, because you're
Speaker 1: not gonna have a full house, good job by the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be some healthcare workers. In fact, in the
Speaker 1: stands at Raymond James Stadium for the Super Bowl. For
Speaker 1: the first time in NFL history, the team in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl is playing in their own building. That's like
Speaker 1: one little West note. I mean, if there has been
Speaker 1: one field that West and I in unified fashion have
Speaker 1: ripped on this show forever because of it. Now we
Speaker 1: want to deal with the daytime sunlight. I know, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's hilarious to me that this is
Speaker 1: the field where this is occurring. But um, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it will look gallant in the evening. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: when you think about it's on the East coast obviously,
Speaker 1: so six eighteen kickoff. Uh, the sun will be down
Speaker 1: by then, so that will help us. Now, you can't
Speaker 1: do anything about the Goofy pirate ship or the or
Speaker 1: the uniform matchup, which we'll get to, but I would
Speaker 1: just find that to be an absurdity. So there are
Speaker 1: some there's some lingering issues. Maybe you just drop a
Speaker 1: big tarp on that dopey pirate ship and then we
Speaker 1: do get about playing some champions at football. All right,
Speaker 1: there we go. Let's sorry, Buck Spens, enjoy the moment
Speaker 1: you deserve it. It's been a long time. Um. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to the a f C. We're gonna throw
Speaker 1: a slant car thirty five yard line. Shoot move Tyrey
Speaker 1: Kill forty five fifty yard line touch it back, lookout
Speaker 1: for thirty cheetah hit full speed ten telly five yard line.
Speaker 1: Dude player press, the cheetah will run you all the
Speaker 1: way around the earth. It's a seventy one yard pass
Speaker 1: play to the cheetah on a quick slant. Mitch holtas
Speaker 1: who said cheetah about forty seven times there during that call.
Speaker 1: W d a F. Yes, it didn't go for a touchdown,
Speaker 1: but that's seventy yard gain by tyree Kell felt like
Speaker 1: the dividing point where the Chiefs had completely taken over
Speaker 1: and we're heading back to the super Bowl. And that's
Speaker 1: exactly what they ended up doing with a thirty eight
Speaker 1: win over the Buffalo Bills at Arrowhead Stadium. And Mark
Speaker 1: the Bills, I mean, you couldn't have asked for a
Speaker 1: better start. They go down the field to kick a
Speaker 1: field goal. Then you have a huge special teams gap
Speaker 1: by McCole Hardman that sets up a quick touchdown. You
Speaker 1: missed the p T and it turns out that that
Speaker 1: miss p a T was kind of the beginning of
Speaker 1: the end because a lot of things started going wrong
Speaker 1: for the Bills from that point onward. Yeah, and we've
Speaker 1: we've learned that um early point advantages over Kansas City
Speaker 1: and the playoffs UM me next to nothing. But it
Speaker 1: was a gift in a in a fortunate start for Buffalo,
Speaker 1: and it's I guess you know, one of the shames
Speaker 1: of this weekend is that both games to me have
Speaker 1: really similar um unnerving issues by the losing team, because
Speaker 1: I find myself almost equally annoyed that Buffalo kicked a
Speaker 1: field goal from the Kansas City to UM and then
Speaker 1: on the following drive kicked the field goal from the
Speaker 1: Kansas City eight UM when it was so um crystal
Speaker 1: clear to every human being watching it, including our children,
Speaker 1: who are UM, you know, they're they've just learned basic
Speaker 1: human skills at this point, that you are dealing with
Speaker 1: a team that is essentially unstoppable, that has two unstoppable
Speaker 1: players not even named Patrick Mahomes that they were struggling
Speaker 1: to even vaguely contain. You have got to put every
Speaker 1: islence of aggression into these opportunities when you get into
Speaker 1: the red zone. And I thought they just played it
Speaker 1: way too safe. It's just it's to me, that was it.
Speaker 1: It's like the chief We know what the chiefs are.
Speaker 1: They're so dominant that they've become normalized and we take
Speaker 1: them for granted. I'm like watching Travis Kelsey and Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill do things that I've never watched, you know, a
Speaker 1: combo of two players on our offense ever do, And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I find myself and this is the
Speaker 1: fault of me almost exhausted and board with them because
Speaker 1: it's like watching Um, Like, growing up, I'd go to
Speaker 1: the video arcade and I hated video games, but I
Speaker 1: watched like my one friend kick butt on the video
Speaker 1: on like some sort of like nineteen eighties game. It's like,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm drawing pleasure out of seeing him be great. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what it was. That was
Speaker 1: a ridiculous tangent, but it's like, if you're the b
Speaker 1: you've got to storm that house and take it over,
Speaker 1: and I thought they played real cautious. It's stunned me. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's a defensive coach not quite believing that
Speaker 1: the defense that his Executive of the Year Buddy Brandon
Speaker 1: Bean and him had built up for four years weren't
Speaker 1: gonna get stops. You know, he couldn't. He wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: believe it. You know, they didn't get any stops the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, Mahomes says, it's only even stopped once and
Speaker 1: in these two playoff games while he's on the field,
Speaker 1: and that was on the first drive of this game,
Speaker 1: when it wouldn't Tyreek Hill dropped what might have been
Speaker 1: the best past Mahomes made the whole day, like absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Would have been a forty five yard or um that
Speaker 1: he went back shoulder on and and that was it.
Speaker 1: They weren't gonna get any stops. I'm with you, they
Speaker 1: they played it too safe. But in this in this game,
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have mattered because I don't
Speaker 1: think this game, um was close like the other where
Speaker 1: you couldn't separate them. There there was a big separation.
Speaker 1: One team couldn't throw the ball consistently and the other
Speaker 1: team had homes. One team was clearly better. It was
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. And I'm not gonna say they rope a
Speaker 1: dope to us all because I think all of us
Speaker 1: that followed this team closely and follow our league closely
Speaker 1: always thought there was a chance that the Chiefs would
Speaker 1: know when to turn it on because they're that special.
Speaker 1: They're like those mid nineties Michael Jordan Bulls teams were
Speaker 1: sometimes would feel like they're doing just enough, uh to win,
Speaker 1: and then when they really needed to step up, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's Vinta gim mj and you know,
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman is diving into the stands for a loose
Speaker 1: ball and Scottie Pippen is just filling up the box scoring.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, they were always this team. Uh, they
Speaker 1: were just in hibernation. That's what I felt like watching
Speaker 1: this game. But like to Mark's point, I love Sean McDermott.
Speaker 1: He's done such a great job there. I have him
Speaker 1: maybe in my top two for Coach of the year. Um,
Speaker 1: if you're putting together that that list. And yet it
Speaker 1: felt like he didn't know the team he was up against.
Speaker 1: I just didn't understand that I feel like there should
Speaker 1: never be a game when you're against the Chiefs, especially
Speaker 1: in the play offs, when you have, as Mark said,
Speaker 1: a twenty yard field goal late in the first half
Speaker 1: and a twenty seven yard field goal edging towards the
Speaker 1: end of the third quarter. That's the thing. And you
Speaker 1: have a defense that you're proud of, and they just
Speaker 1: played really well the week before against Baltimore. But it's
Speaker 1: a whole different ball game against the Chiefs, especially when
Speaker 1: you have no idea how to cover Travis Kelsey. Every
Speaker 1: time you need a third down stop, you needed to score, score, score,
Speaker 1: So not to grasp that basic thing. I know it's
Speaker 1: easy for bozos like us to oversimplify it, but sometimes
Speaker 1: like the simple explanation is the right one, which was
Speaker 1: the Bills played the game like they had a defense
Speaker 1: I could stop the Chiefs, but they don't, because nobody
Speaker 1: really does, at least not on this stage. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think, like you know, it was a game where
Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs had like twelve yards at half or something
Speaker 1: in twenty eight deep in the game, and they just
Speaker 1: never This wasn't this wasn't the pristine Bill's offense that
Speaker 1: we've been used to and you're right, You're right, and
Speaker 1: it's it's I guess that's you know, they like these losses.
Speaker 1: They give you a lot to think about as your
Speaker 1: team building and thinking about next season. But Emmanuel Akho,
Speaker 1: I thought, had this incredible um stat here that Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes will play in two Super Bowls before ever losing
Speaker 1: an NFL game by more than one possession. That's that's
Speaker 1: just stupid. I mean, it's the greatest. That's I. Um,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a prisoner at the moment,
Speaker 1: but I I don't feel like I am because I
Speaker 1: said it like five games into his career. Like I like,
Speaker 1: I get it. There's accomplishments and people try to do
Speaker 1: all this parsing. Aaron Rodgers is the most skilled player,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know Tom Brady is the goat
Speaker 1: because he's the most accomplished. Like, Okay, I get all that.
Speaker 1: Like just Mahomes is just like the best at at
Speaker 1: playing quarterback that I've seen. He's only played, you know,
Speaker 1: he's only played three years, but he's the he's the
Speaker 1: best total package. And I think that and that makes
Speaker 1: sense because players generally get better. So the new generations
Speaker 1: guys are are probably gonna be better than the ones before.
Speaker 1: But the difference this year is his mind, which has
Speaker 1: always been good, but now they really are. They really
Speaker 1: are so patient. Where you mentioned that Kelsey just racking
Speaker 1: up those seven yard ten yard throws. I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing is Mahomes like Rogers was this year. That's
Speaker 1: how he won his m VP. Just took what they
Speaker 1: were given him. And then he'll have that drive where
Speaker 1: you get a free couple of free rushers. You get
Speaker 1: a little cute if you're Leslie Fraser and actually send
Speaker 1: something at him. You get a couple of free rushers
Speaker 1: at him, and he just calmly like gets out of
Speaker 1: the way and makes a couple of ridiculous throws and
Speaker 1: then he just beats you a different way. He's just
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's the best I've seen. I think
Speaker 1: it's the best three year run for a quarterback since
Speaker 1: far of seven, when he was just out of his mind,
Speaker 1: winning m vps, winning super Bowls. Actually have um a
Speaker 1: good tweet here from The Undefeated. Since two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: Mahomes has forty three wins, one touchdown, pack us is
Speaker 1: almost sixteen thousand passing yards. He's been an All Pro
Speaker 1: three times. Uh, he's won the league m VPS, won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl MVP, he's won a Super Bowl championship,
Speaker 1: and now he's been to the Super Bowl to the
Speaker 1: last three years. And oh, by the way, the one
Speaker 1: year he didn't go was that great AFC title game
Speaker 1: against the Patriots where he just went bonkers and did
Speaker 1: everything he could and didn't get a chance to get
Speaker 1: on the field and overtime. Otherwise he would have been
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl all three years. This is heavy stuff.
Speaker 1: It is, I mean, one thing I'd be concerned about
Speaker 1: heading into the Super Bowl, just to monitor that I
Speaker 1: thought that Eric Fisher injury at the end. Those are
Speaker 1: the little things that like we don't really think about,
Speaker 1: like coming out of the game. But I mean, we
Speaker 1: just talked about what happened to the Packers with their
Speaker 1: left tackle, their star left tackle out of the lineup,
Speaker 1: but just something to work to monitor because they were
Speaker 1: already down, so their tackle situation was already a hot mess.
Speaker 1: But you kind of look at the Chiefs and it's like,
Speaker 1: I guess that will matter. But the way that Greg
Speaker 1: you mentioned that um Patrick Mahomes is evading what would
Speaker 1: be crushing sacks in a playoff game for an other
Speaker 1: quarterback weren't and they you know, frankly, it's like we go,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about their defensive whole lot. But Tyra
Speaker 1: Matthew made an incredible playing this game like heat seeking
Speaker 1: Allen and forced him into an intentional grounding. I mean,
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row, Honey Badger has been playing
Speaker 1: out of his mind. And you know, some of their
Speaker 1: past rushing that they that they used to really create
Speaker 1: a tough I think situation environment for Josh Allen threw
Speaker 1: him off his game pretty early. Yeah, I think their
Speaker 1: defense has played their best two games maybe of the year,
Speaker 1: considering the opponents, considering they played two top five or
Speaker 1: six offenses, you know, the Bills, you know, as good
Speaker 1: an offense as they played all year. I mean, Romo
Speaker 1: was on it. They were good in man coverage. Spagnolo
Speaker 1: sent a lot of heat, you know, more than anyone
Speaker 1: this weekend. He was the most aggressive. You know, Bowls
Speaker 1: really wasn't after they lost their safety. They it wasn't
Speaker 1: a typical Bucks attack, and they got they got to
Speaker 1: him a lot. And that's sort of what I mean
Speaker 1: about the difference maybe right now between Mahomes and Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: As you think about there was a segment late third
Speaker 1: quarter to the fourth where they did finally get heat
Speaker 1: on Alan. He makes uh some mistakes. He you know,
Speaker 1: his four sacks took fifty three yards up um, Whereas
Speaker 1: you saw Mahomes seen exactly where the blitz was gonna come,
Speaker 1: changing the play like he's Rogers or Brady, except he's
Speaker 1: only twenty six years old, getting it protected up and
Speaker 1: taking the easy play, Whereas I don't think Allen, you know,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't expect it is quite there in his
Speaker 1: third year, and they heated him up pretty good. They
Speaker 1: averaged under five yards per past play for the second
Speaker 1: straight week. So that's like Gabert Zone stuff that did
Speaker 1: the past game for the Bills, and they're kind of
Speaker 1: an all past team. Uh kind of hit a brick
Speaker 1: walities last two weeks. Yeah, it's it's I would you know,
Speaker 1: you try to make sense of teams entering the playoffs
Speaker 1: and the Bills when they were just going off on
Speaker 1: teams and running teams out of the building in December,
Speaker 1: they felt like they were peaking at the right time,
Speaker 1: But it turned out they did peek at the end
Speaker 1: of the regular season, and they were They needed Josh
Speaker 1: Allen and the Bills offense needed to deliver, you know,
Speaker 1: their masterpiece to get to the Super Bowl, as it
Speaker 1: turns out, and they just couldn't do it. And and
Speaker 1: part of the reason why is because and Romo said
Speaker 1: it well on the telecast, the only way to beat
Speaker 1: the Chiefs is Travis Kelsey or Tyreek Kill. One of
Speaker 1: those guys can beat you, and you could survive it.
Speaker 1: But if they both are sticking it to you in
Speaker 1: the same game, your chances of winning are almost nil.
Speaker 1: And I just did a quick the quick math here,
Speaker 1: uh Hill and Kelsey combined for twenty two catches on
Speaker 1: twenty six targets for two and ninety yards and two touchdowns. Well,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, and they did they did I think over
Speaker 1: two hundred last week. And you know, I I well,
Speaker 1: I think we all feel for the Bills fans because
Speaker 1: they're a special fan base. You know. It's a ugly Sunday.
Speaker 1: But I had a couple of being like, oh, I
Speaker 1: get what you were saying last week. That like, even
Speaker 1: though the Chiefs are totally fun to watch, and I
Speaker 1: love Tony Romo, Tony Romo Gushi over Travis Kelsey When
Speaker 1: he is frying your team and ending your season, it's
Speaker 1: not a lot of fun for the viewers. So it's like,
Speaker 1: look at like, I mean, we all enjoy the Chiefs
Speaker 1: until you're dealing with the Chiefs with your favorite team,
Speaker 1: and then it's like this is ugly, this doesn't work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's not like the Bills came out of
Speaker 1: this game thinking we're right there. You know we're gonna
Speaker 1: get the next year. You come out of this game thinking,
Speaker 1: oh man, this are is this gonna be? You know,
Speaker 1: to use the Bulls as an analogy, but going back
Speaker 1: to the eighties, this is gonna be the Detroit Pistons
Speaker 1: for us. We're we're just gonna get our ask kicked
Speaker 1: for a few years. Are we ever gonna get over
Speaker 1: the hump? Because it felt like the Chiefs were just
Speaker 1: a far better team, um and a team that's just
Speaker 1: not going away anytime soon. It's bad news for everybody
Speaker 1: in the a f C. H including our team work
Speaker 1: and everybody else. Or are we the Knicks and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs are the Bulls? And unless Patrick a year off
Speaker 1: to go play minor league baseball, totally a stretch. You know,
Speaker 1: now they were good here, they were cope. You hope
Speaker 1: you're the bulls in the eighties getting past the Pistons.
Speaker 1: You worried deep down that you're the nineties Knicks that
Speaker 1: never get over the Jordan's bulls. You worry about that.
Speaker 1: It is so I mean, we don't even need to
Speaker 1: get there because they're not even They gotta go win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl first. But man, it is hard. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen how hard it is to keep winning. They
Speaker 1: weren't close today. I think they had reason to come
Speaker 1: into this game with plenty of confidence, not just because
Speaker 1: they were the number one team and waited the v
Speaker 1: O A. But you know, it's like, what more can
Speaker 1: you do, uh, in the in the eighteen games leading
Speaker 1: up to this than than what they did. I guess
Speaker 1: their defense could have been a little more consistent throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the season. They did not. They did
Speaker 1: not show up today. And and maybe you're right that
Speaker 1: maybe the Chiefs just have this championship mentality, but it
Speaker 1: is crazy that this is the game where they finally
Speaker 1: won by two scores. So it wasn't the falcon like
Speaker 1: it could have been three scores. This was like they
Speaker 1: dominated the Bills more as much or more than you know,
Speaker 1: the Falcons or the Dolphins or the Panthers or any
Speaker 1: of these teams that they played down the stretch. They
Speaker 1: they just put it on them. It's funny that. And
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, of course, they they went to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: UM very early on. What were they in super Bowl
Speaker 1: for something? I can't remember exactly. They were in a couple, right,
Speaker 1: they were in They won the year to the Jets,
Speaker 1: and then they didn't go all those years fifty years
Speaker 1: until last yearnother and twice back to back years and
Speaker 1: Andy Reid last year. It was all kind of it
Speaker 1: was the fun, feel good story of Andy Reid finally
Speaker 1: um getting over the hump and winning that Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and enjoying the perks of that and being the love
Speaker 1: affair between Chiefs fans and Reid. UM. Now it almost
Speaker 1: felt just normalized hearing Andrew Read celebrating again on a riser.
Speaker 1: Let's listening. I still he's still a guy love rooting for.
Speaker 1: He's just a good dude and a great coach. I
Speaker 1: mean he's a great coach. I think he's also a
Speaker 1: lesson for if you're if you're smarting tonight over Boy
Speaker 1: with a Beard or or Sean McDermott and some of
Speaker 1: their decisions. Andy Reid lost a bunch of a bunch
Speaker 1: of NFC title games early on, and Andy Reid was
Speaker 1: dog like had Twitter been Twitter way back when, I
Speaker 1: mean Andy Reid in his time, you know, like two
Speaker 1: minute warning time decisions would have been driving people nuts.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's grown and evolved in sudden you get
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and you're like, oh, Bill Belichick, I know
Speaker 1: what it's like to have like one of the greatest
Speaker 1: quarterbacks running the show with me. Now Twitter, Twitter was
Speaker 1: around for like the end of that Eagles right, and
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, and I was, I'm sure part
Speaker 1: of it killing him for some of the clock management
Speaker 1: in the in the two minutes. It's great. Like the Bills,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't mention like they stole a possession
Speaker 1: in the first half with the punt return, They stole
Speaker 1: a possession with the on side kick, and they and
Speaker 1: they stole a possession because they finished out the first half.
Speaker 1: When the Chiefs got the ball back right at the end,
Speaker 1: it had been ten possessions to seven, like the Bills
Speaker 1: had somehow in three possessions and they were still down
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. I mean that is as big as that's
Speaker 1: it's just outrageous. I don't know what to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they needed a Stefan Diggs to have a monster game.
Speaker 1: We talked about Bill Barnwell um the idea that somebody
Speaker 1: else had to step up. Was it finally the John
Speaker 1: Smoke Brown Show? Nah? Again, John Brown was quiet, Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley did his Cole Beasley stuff, and the running game
Speaker 1: just wasn't there, never really was all season. But the
Speaker 1: only running they got was from Josh Allen, who had
Speaker 1: eighty eight yards of the ground. So Bills fans obviously
Speaker 1: bitter disappointment whenever you can get this far and they
Speaker 1: get turned back, but you're still feeling very good about
Speaker 1: the future. And and Cheese fans, this is just like,
Speaker 1: this is the magical time right now. If you're a
Speaker 1: Chiefs fan, you know it. You you waited, you earned
Speaker 1: it because you were on the pain rankings. You knew
Speaker 1: what it was like, uh, to suffer for decades, to
Speaker 1: get closed, to get turned away, to have middle link teams,
Speaker 1: to have to root for Tyler big Pen on Sundays,
Speaker 1: and now you have you know, maybe Greg was right
Speaker 1: all those years ago. Maybe you have truly the one
Speaker 1: at quarterback and this is just the beginning of what's
Speaker 1: gonna be a long run back to back Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Pretty wild stuff. And I I don't know about you, guys, Um,
Speaker 1: I like the chances of Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs
Speaker 1: going back to back. I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: great game and we're gonna be digging into that over
Speaker 1: two weeks. But right off the bat, what are your
Speaker 1: initial thoughts about this matchup. I'm torn because it's like
Speaker 1: I kind of want to root for the Bucks because
Speaker 1: of Brady, but just picking against Mahomes at this point
Speaker 1: and I love watching him feel silly. I I think
Speaker 1: the Bucks have a real chance, and I do think
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher um having that Achilles injury and when they
Speaker 1: announced Achilles and reads over there talking you know you
Speaker 1: can you can, yeah, assume the worst and hope to
Speaker 1: be to be pleasantly surprised. You know that that helps?
Speaker 1: I think that gives that gives the Buck I mean
Speaker 1: they're on backup tackles that both spot. That gives the
Speaker 1: Bucks a chance. I do think the Bucks are more complete,
Speaker 1: um than any other team in this playoff field, you know,
Speaker 1: including the Chiefs. I think they can win different types
Speaker 1: of ways. They had a great day returning the ball today,
Speaker 1: so I give them a pretty good chance. But I'm
Speaker 1: with you, and I think that you've got a coach
Speaker 1: and Bruce Arians who's his d n A is aggressive. Um,
Speaker 1: tom Brady's DNA is aggressive. And so you're not gonna
Speaker 1: probably run into these same scenarios that younger coaches I
Speaker 1: think fell for today and and and got in in
Speaker 1: their own way. And um, that's not gonna be the
Speaker 1: case there. And I mean honestly, look at the Bucks
Speaker 1: and the way they're built and say, well, had they
Speaker 1: lost today, maybe next year is their super Bowl year
Speaker 1: because almost everyone is coming back. I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: reason to think they couldn't be just as dangerous. They
Speaker 1: won this game without Antonio Brown. Um, I I'm just uh,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a great one. And for me,
Speaker 1: it's because I simply refuse to doubt Tom Brady's um
Speaker 1: ability to be there in the fourth quarter. I the Chiefs, though,
Speaker 1: are they may be superhuman. They're only three and a
Speaker 1: half point favorites. It does feel like maybe I feel
Speaker 1: concerned to me a little what I like to call
Speaker 1: the thread the needle game. You know, the Chiefs win,
Speaker 1: but the Bucks you know, end up keeping it even
Speaker 1: closer than that little internal housekeeping. Who had who with
Speaker 1: the locks for this game? The back to back? You know,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are still hoping to get back to back titles,
Speaker 1: but I got mine. It's over you cheese, and you know, yes,
Speaker 1: wonderful job reckon. Like, honestly, I don't know if we've
Speaker 1: had the locks come down to records that this may
Speaker 1: be the best lock record anyone's won with. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure because it's it was tight, but um, I would
Speaker 1: have picked Green Bay otherwise. So even after the first game,
Speaker 1: I thought, well, the lock thing is house money if
Speaker 1: they win, because I already would have, with my my
Speaker 1: inner feelings, picked the completely wrong team. So I did
Speaker 1: it twice and if it, if it makes you feel better,
Speaker 1: mark as the as the runner up. Um, the Locks
Speaker 1: will be back next year. So Greg, even power too straight,
Speaker 1: you can well, then you need to get like rules
Speaker 1: written down, you know, you know, need things need to
Speaker 1: be changed. You would do it and you get get
Speaker 1: it out of here, you know. But Gregg it's like
Speaker 1: thinking of like Lakers dynasty type things right here. You
Speaker 1: gotta win five straight. You gotta win five straight. That's no,
Speaker 1: there's no you know, because I understand the number one
Speaker 1: factor is luck, the odds, and three straight it's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So it's like, that's why I want to
Speaker 1: You gotta end it right now. You gotta end it.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. But congratulations that that was a
Speaker 1: very really strong performance. Then I thought you were a
Speaker 1: little a little conservative with your picks you in the postseason,
Speaker 1: But how can you ultimately quibble when you're you got
Speaker 1: the lead and you closed it out by get behind
Speaker 1: a bunch of heavy favorites and you took the title.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it was the playoffs, but I took the Chiefs today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a big but a big heavy face. Give me
Speaker 1: a break. Good stuff? Anything else? Anybody else have anything
Speaker 1: to download out of there? Um virtual notebooks or physical notebooks.
Speaker 1: Before we turn our attention toward the dark week, and
Speaker 1: it is different. First of all, this is the first
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ever that will feature the previous two Super
Speaker 1: Bowl winning quarterbacks. So that's cool, Mahomes Brady Um. As
Speaker 1: we talked about this is the first super Bowl that
Speaker 1: will um be in held in the stadium of one
Speaker 1: of the participants. I assume it's gonna be the first
Speaker 1: super Bowl that's not gonna be sold out, but I
Speaker 1: guess it will be capacity, but it won't be a
Speaker 1: filled The building won't be filled. Then it is sadly
Speaker 1: the first super Bowl UH in since we started in
Speaker 1: this podcast that we will not be there, but the
Speaker 1: the coverage will continue unabated here from Los Angeles. I
Speaker 1: feel much worse if they sent everyone but not us,
Speaker 1: like we're not there because no one's there. So you know,
Speaker 1: the part of me that would be concerned about the
Speaker 1: dining inmixer, I think you know this in and a
Speaker 1: couple of the big big shots. She's going, she's going.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's going for the game, but
Speaker 1: she's going for the week. Well, that does tell you
Speaker 1: that at least they view at least one media individual
Speaker 1: inside our building is more important than us. Uh Already,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of annoying. Couldn't happen alright? And and our
Speaker 1: contemp posty, you are wearing a Tampa Bay Buccaneers jersey
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, was that a gift or something because you, yeah,
Speaker 1: rooting for him? Yeah, No, I'm I was rooting for
Speaker 1: him just because the paths weren't in and I don't
Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers, so I was going to root for
Speaker 1: Brady even if the paths are. Now, are you with
Speaker 1: me on this? I think he's upset for sure. I
Speaker 1: was having this conversation today. A lot of people are like,
Speaker 1: how could you root for Brady? Like, even if I
Speaker 1: won four thousand Super Bowls and he left for another
Speaker 1: team and took them to the super Bowl, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: f you, And I do feel like that, but also
Speaker 1: like I'm sick of all the Is Aaron Rodgers the
Speaker 1: best quarterback? Oh? Please home? That's where he's going? Do
Speaker 1: you guys? You guys think that you know, despite any
Speaker 1: any proof, you just it's in your minds that Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick like kicked his shoe through the TV screen today,
Speaker 1: that that's how he handled this. No, he probably took
Speaker 1: his cute little husky dog, Nike for a walk and
Speaker 1: kind of grumbled about how like the one that got away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's upsetting. I mean I enjoyed this much more than
Speaker 1: like seeing my homes, you know, beat some Patriots team
Speaker 1: forty five to seventeen in the wild card around. That's
Speaker 1: what had happened. So this this is fun watching watching
Speaker 1: bring you do this? All right? Good stuff. We will
Speaker 1: be back on Tuesday to dig into the start of
Speaker 1: the ramp up towards Cheefe Bucks. I'm with you, Mark,
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling this uniform matchup too much. Beyond beyond
Speaker 1: not feeling it like, um, I'm feeling the first time,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling jealous that Greg is you don't know what
Speaker 1: you don't know which colors, what if the where the
Speaker 1: home whites? Well no, there, no, the movement has already
Speaker 1: begun because damn a check I put it at the
Speaker 1: at the height of of this these type of movements,
Speaker 1: the uniform movements, he is urging the Bucks to go,
Speaker 1: despite being the home team, to be wearing white jerseys
Speaker 1: because you've got to spend the next forty years looking
Speaker 1: at these highlights. How about we veer away from anything
Speaker 1: looking like an eyesore and do not go pewter tops
Speaker 1: and bottoms please. I mean, it's just there's a it's
Speaker 1: a thorny um scenario with them in this game. On
Speaker 1: that front alone, at least the Bucks got rid of
Speaker 1: those terrible alarm clock uniforms. Well, yes, you're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: are you saying that one for the color blind? Because
Speaker 1: of all the red I'm saying, I'm wishing I were
Speaker 1: color blind this one time. It's a nice thing to
Speaker 1: be able to see colors, but this one time, if
Speaker 1: they how they go to colors, it's just like the
Speaker 1: shades are a little off. The great whatever it is
Speaker 1: you're dealing with, you're very shady about explaining what how
Speaker 1: you're impaired on that front, but um, you know, and
Speaker 1: Packers fans, please spare me about saying this is why
Speaker 1: we belong to top the pain rankings. Don't stick the
Speaker 1: needle and it is. It is brutal. They have had
Speaker 1: a pretty knife or am I giving them drugs? Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, the show for that they made it this far,
Speaker 1: they're already, you know, massochistic. But tweeting me about it,
Speaker 1: I've bet I was getting some tweets about it today,
Speaker 1: That's all I mean. They's it is amazing years. I
Speaker 1: don't care what you say, I get it, but it
Speaker 1: is crazy that decade. So I was at that Packers
Speaker 1: super Bowl, which was in Tampa. So they were trying
Speaker 1: to return to Tampa. It's crazy. In the decades since
Speaker 1: and Rogers will have won three m vps in that
Speaker 1: decade since, and the all the good teams they had
Speaker 1: that they have not been back. Bitterally disappointed for Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: you know he wanted to. It would have been good
Speaker 1: this season. But maybe in his age eight season he
Speaker 1: will get it done. All right, that's it. Dan has
Speaker 1: a signing off for Quiet Storm. The old boss Ricky
Speaker 1: tam Posey. Congratulations to both the Super Bowl participants. We
Speaker 1: got one game left hell Tuesday six