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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contained spoilers for episode.

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Speaker 2: Three of The Big Wood on the Manguin Capa Cola,

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Speaker 2: Oh my name.

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Speaker 3: Is Jason Concepcio and on Rosday Night.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to extra revision of the podcast When We

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Speaker 1: Diving did your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming from My Heart podcast where we're breaking you you

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Speaker 1: episode a week every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, in the Dup, will be recapping and

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Speaker 4: breaking down episode one or three of the pegype And.

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Speaker 3: Guess what, it's another bag of great. This show is

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Speaker 3: never letting us land.

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Speaker 4: And we've got a special interview with Venzy Files, the

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Speaker 4: actor who plays Penguin's little pal vic Aguala.

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Speaker 1: Come it up next for stepping into the airlock and

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Speaker 1: talking Episode one O three of The Penguin. The Penguin

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Speaker 1: Season one, Episode three Bliss. We open on Crown Point

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Speaker 1: to flashback, but you don't realize it. You don't really

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Speaker 1: know when when it starts. Vic is there. He meets

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Speaker 1: his girl, Graciella and plans to meet up with her.

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Speaker 1: After he heads home and just checks in with his family.

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Speaker 1: He goes to his apartment, We meet his dad. We

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Speaker 1: meet his mom. His dad is a mechanic. His god

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Speaker 1: also has a penchant for cooking, and Vic, in a

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Speaker 1: parts for dad's business somehow. I guess parts are rare.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to get car parts at a

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Speaker 1: he also pitches Dad. He's like, you know, maybe there's

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Speaker 1: something illicit. Dad says, no, pretty hard, No, like, no,

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Speaker 3: Later he's also like, our apartment's cute. Yeah, we're safe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a good.

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Speaker 4: Line like you don't need, you don't need more, you know,

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Speaker 1: Next, Vic meets up with his girl Graciela to watch

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Speaker 1: the fireworks on a rooftop. The people that he's meeting

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Speaker 1: who is an actual street criminal, shows up and he's

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Speaker 1: She doesn't like their neighborhood, Crown Point either. Vic is like,

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Speaker 4: Also as well, we should just say quickly like this

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Speaker 4: is a very interesting episode because you know, we've been

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Speaker 4: talking about how they're staying away from a lot of

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Speaker 4: like direct influences or the shape of the story. But

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Speaker 4: the Squid is actually a very very very high powered

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Speaker 4: kind of underworld boss who has almost beaten Batman on

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Speaker 4: a few episodes. His name's Lawrence Lowman eighties, Jerry Conway

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Speaker 4: and On Newton creation first appeared in Detective Comics for

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Speaker 4: ninety seven, and basically just like, very interesting to see

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Speaker 4: him here as essentially like a drops crime boss. So

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Speaker 4: we might hear more about him, we might not. Could

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Speaker 4: just be a fun throwback, but I like that they're

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Speaker 1: I like it too, And what I like about it

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Speaker 1: is like us you're seeing a criminal on the way up.

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Speaker 1: This is not exactly weird, exactly the height of his power.

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Speaker 1: This is Squid working his way up, still hanging out

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Speaker 1: The fireworks go off and everybody's getting excited. They're looking

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Speaker 1: but uh, this is the night that the Riddler's bombs

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Speaker 1: present day. We're at Oz's. Tonight is the night of

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Speaker 1: standing on top, he tells Vic, because Vick is you

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Speaker 1: can he can tell Vic is a little distant. He's like, well, Vicky,

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Speaker 1: Tax free, one thousand a week. I'm saying, now, Vic

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Speaker 3: He's like, I like the mentality. It's not happening, but

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Speaker 1: Oz gets a text from Blackgate Justice Sophia is showing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's on the phone.

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Speaker 4: And Sofia's in the living room, like I sweart to

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, it's like, how my little crazy guy

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Speaker 4: He's just a little crazy guy and he's always gonna

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Speaker 1: You know the other thing about it, And you're so right, Rosie.

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Speaker 1: This episode, more than any other so far, really puts

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Speaker 1: of course it's his once suppress his mom. He's got

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Speaker 1: his own ambitions. But beyond that, these situations where Oz

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Speaker 1: the action is the juice.

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Speaker 1: For Oz, the action is the juice. He loves these

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Speaker 1: tight situations where it's like, oh, how are we getting

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Speaker 4: Going at tacky, she chatting shit on it, she's free

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Speaker 1: Vic stutter has kind of returned. He's telling her that,

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Speaker 1: Sophia hands over some untraceable jewels in exchange for the drugs,

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Speaker 1: this experimental drug which comes in bags from Arkham State Hospital.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this was no Alba's plan, Like, this is a Sophia.

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Speaker 4: Hence why she was so sketch when he knew all

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Speaker 1: So Sophia meets Uh, so Oz meets Trey, who is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: It's like a hallucinogenic, all consuming high that also happens

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Speaker 4: to make people very submissive and kind of malleable. Hence

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Speaker 4: that's right.

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna call it. We're gonna call it bliss, Yes.

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Speaker 4: Which come on, he was like he was, he was

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Speaker 4: It's actually harvested from the bodies of dead children in

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Speaker 4: It's very much in the space that the penguin has

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Speaker 4: And it's also interesting because Oz definitely sees it as

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Speaker 1: That's right. And she tells us, your job in this

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Speaker 1: Grassiello now is alarmed. She's like, this is this is

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Speaker 3: Like, you gotta leave now, yeah, now you have to.

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Speaker 4: I love this scene because I was like the whole time.

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Speaker 4: You know, thirty six year old Rosie was like looking

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Speaker 3: Don't do this, Like why would you invite her around here?

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Speaker 4: But you know what, that is like the most realistic

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Speaker 4: it's so dumb, but you would so definitely do it.

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Speaker 4: But also I'm like, I know Oz has like cameras

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Speaker 1: Also, well, yeah, I will get to that because I

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Speaker 4: I feel like that is a kinship that Oz sees

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Speaker 1: And they and they raise a toast to Vic's dad, Juan.

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Speaker 1: You're Graciella blowing up the phone is like, we're still

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Speaker 1: Sophia confronts Oz about something that happened about ten years earlier.

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Speaker 3: But they are selling this stuff at twenty dollars a vial.

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Speaker 1: we can tell is probably not going to the bus station.

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00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he took the drug or

433
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: or something.

434
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: It's just the emotion there is.

435
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: He's got like PTSD, Yeah, I think he's got PTSD.

436
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 4: And they start saying, like the show is happening, and

437
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 4: they start doing like yeah, the lights pirateechic lights, and

438
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 4: and they think in that moment, he kind of goes

439
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 4: back to where we saw him at the moment where

440
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 4: he feels like these bombs are going off, he drops

441
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 4: the bag. He has a classic Vic moment because I

442
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: feel like fix a bit of like a little clumsy guy,

443
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 4: and then he is kind of freaking out. He drops

444
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 4: the drugs all over the floor. I have to say,

445
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: this is what I like about this show.

446
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: Though I was so.

447
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 4: Worried in the moment for Vic. I was sure that

448
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 4: like someone would stamp on them all and he'd get

449
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: in trouble. But the show always kind of twists back

450
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 4: in Vic's favor for a minute, so like, instead we

451
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: get a dealer called Roxy, which I immediately was thinking

452
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 4: of like Roxy Rocket from the animated series. But we

453
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 4: don't get any confirmation on that. I just think they're

454
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 4: having fun making these kind of connections. But she comes

455
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 4: and she kind of scrabbles to help him get it

456
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 4: back in the bag, and you kind of get that

457
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 4: and she's like, get your act together, and Vic kind

458
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 4: of escapes this other, you know, potential disaster. But yeah,

459
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: he definitely ain't going to the coach.

460
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: That's right, He's not gone. We learned from Sofia that

461
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: she first encountered Blisson Arka. It was what they gave

462
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: the patience air quotes there in order to keep them

463
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: placid and calm.

464
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like, your pain goes away, so the trauma

465
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 4: goes away, like everything goes away.

466
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: The way she speaks about it, you get the feeling

467
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: that that this is not a past relationship that she

468
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: has had yet Bliss.

469
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: This was the interesting thing that I felt was like

470
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: I felt like it was like ninety percent that she's

471
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: probably still addicted to it and wanted her own way

472
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 4: of having access to it.

473
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: But then also I was thinking about with doctor Rush,

474
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: and I.

475
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: Was thinking about like the weird relationship there, and I

476
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: was also wondering if, like I couldn't tell if like

477
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 4: ten percent of it was like there was a ten

478
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 4: percent chance that she actually hated it and was like

479
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: planning her revenge via it.

480
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 3: But it definitely feels like whatever it.

481
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 4: Is, she's not over how Bliss kind of impacted her

482
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 4: in Arkham.

483
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: This is not a scarecrow situation where the scarecrow is

484
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: definitely not on his own supplies and that stuff. Yeah,

485
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: and certainly we know that the gene is in the family.

486
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: You know, Al had his own problems, so it would

487
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: not be surprising if Sophia was still using She gives

488
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: Joo basically the the ultimatum like, Hey, if you want in,

489
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: you can get it on the ground floor of this

490
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: make your distress.

491
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: And they're literally looking over the club.

492
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she just walks away.

493
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 4: You can see how impactful it's been, how much money

494
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 4: there is in it, and how it is, you know,

495
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 4: on the surface, creating this kind of peaceful feeling in Gotham.

496
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 4: I would say, I feel like Sophia should have just

497
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 4: dosed the entire family with this shit and then been.

498
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm in charge now. Yeah, And I think that

499
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: would have probably worked, honestly.

500
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: So Vick is in the bathroom, he's throwing water in

501
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: his face. He's having a major panic attack, like anybody's

502
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: that has had a panic attack knows the feeling, and

503
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: he's he is in the grips of one Graciela, of course,

504
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: still texting where are you? Where are you? Where are you?

505
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: Oz comes in, He's buzzing the night is going so well.

506
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: He tells, I'm so proud of you, Vic, Yeah, you're

507
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: doing it. You see what I'm saying. And then he

508
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: sees the backpack and he realizes Vic is making a

509
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: run for it, he says, and he says over a girl,

510
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: which Vic.

511
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: Makes everything that he did see.

512
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: Yes, either Vic told him, which doesn't seem to be

513
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: the case, or he knows because he.

514
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: Had Also, you know, Vic, probably that's like the Penguin's

515
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: given him that phone.

516
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: Vic is not being sensible.

517
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 4: About the fact that Penguin is obviously like, you know,

518
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: keeping an eye on him.

519
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: So Oz acts all aggrieved that Vic would act or

520
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: believe that he is a prisoner with a gun to

521
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: his head. I would never do that, you mean, like this,

522
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: and then he pulls his gun out, he pulls time

523
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: and which basically proves Vic right, and he gives him

524
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: the whole seduction thing of like, you know, you want

525
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: to leave, and then finally follows it up with you

526
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: want to leave them, go go leave. So Vic walks out,

527
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: and I'm very proud of Vic in this moment. And

528
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: Vic walks out, he gets to the street, and then

529
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: he's realized he's still got the Penguins keys in his pocket,

530
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: takes the Penguins maserati and I am so proud.

531
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: Of that ship.

532
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, good for you, Vic, because but you know

533
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: what I do thing is interesting as well. There was

534
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 4: a great moment earlier where Graciello was texting him and

535
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 4: you see Vic dancing with Roxy and you can see

536
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 4: in that moment that he's kind of like, yeah, I

537
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 4: could go to California and have like no money and

538
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 4: just be like with this girl I love and always

539
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 4: be on the run from Oz.

540
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: Or I could be in this club like in charge

541
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: of drugs with hot girls dancing with me.

542
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: Like they do a great moment of showing they do

543
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: a great job of showing the push and pull. But yeah,

544
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 4: very proud that he robs the Maserati. That was like

545
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: a legendary move and deserved. I feel like ozwould actually

546
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 4: respect it.

547
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: I feel like ozward respect it. The penguin And again

548
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: we said this off Mike, but I'm gonna take Colin

549
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: ferrell by like the nape of his neck like a

550
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: bully in back in high school, and I'm gonna fucking

551
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: take him. I'm gonna stuff him back in this fucking suit.

552
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: Stuff it so fucking good. Yeah, because I need more

553
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: of this show because he's fucking There is a scene

554
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: of Oz at the bar after the confrontation with Vic,

555
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: and you can tell Oz is sad, but he's trying

556
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: to keep it under control. He's nursing that drink, and

557
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: again it's just like, fuck, he's so good under all

558
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: of this latex. He's so good. But we're feeling like

559
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: in that moment, Oz must have a card up? Does

560
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: he have a card up his sleeve? Is there something

561
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: ominous here?

562
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: It's that same thing that we're feeling where I feel

563
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: like you're reading it, and he really does.

564
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: In his heart he is.

565
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Sad.

566
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 4: The same Oz who sits and watch Gilda with his

567
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 4: mom is sad about this connection that he feels he's missing.

568
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: But the same Oz who has.

569
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 4: Scammed and schemed his way into this blissing is also

570
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: thinking of like five different ways that he's gonna fuck

571
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: yeah with Vic if Vic doesn't change his mind. But

572
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: what I do like him is I think the real

573
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: truth is he wants Vic to choose to be in

574
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 4: this life. So I I think that's what he's waiting for.

575
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 4: That's why he didn't just shoot him. He wants him

576
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: to make that full choice so that every other point

577
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: he can go you made the choice and you could

578
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: have gone on the that's.

579
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: The real That's when sueduction has a real power. You

580
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: don't force someone, you make it. You make them make

581
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: the choice. And I believe you're right. That's one hundred

582
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: percent correct. I think Oz tells Sophia, who is smoking

583
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: a cigarette out back, that the triads are in there

584
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: we go, and then he realizing that there's a lot

585
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: coming up for Sophia based on their very long relationship

586
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: ten years prior, Oz apologized is apparently for snitching on

587
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Sophia in some way that got her thrown in Arkham.

588
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: We don't know the particulars, but it's clear that he

589
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 1: he caused her to get put in Arkham, and his

590
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: excuse is he didn't realize that her family, Carmine and

591
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: et cetera, would do that to her. Then it's really there.

592
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 4: It does kind of seem like that he is the

593
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: one who snitched on that being the hind that's definitely

594
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 4: like the implication, which I feel like adds even more

595
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: to the she wasn't the hangman fire, because obviously Oz

596
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: might have done that to help a male member of

597
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: the family to step himself up.

598
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: And she says, listen, I'm not the hanger. She's very

599
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: very says very with a lot of conviction that she

600
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: is not the hangman, and then she fires back it off.

601
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: She says, and you know what, you're not even a

602
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: made guy to make a move like that. Look at you.

603
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: Was it worth it to do to betray me like you? Look,

604
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: you're not even in You're not even part of the thing.

605
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: They just throw you scraps. And you can tell that

606
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: hurts us, That actually hurts him a little bit. And

607
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: he says, you know what, that's true. I'm not a

608
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: made guy, but it's it was worth it because look

609
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: at a guy like me, the way I am, to

610
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: come from where I come from, to have a club,

611
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: to drive a nice car, to have money in my pocket,

612
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: to be making this deal with you, to have people

613
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: fear me even if they don't respect me, they're afraid

614
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: of me. It was worth it. And then he sincerely

615
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: apologizes and again I'm grabbing Colin Ferrell and I'm stuffing him.

616
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm stuffing his head fucking suit, Like, get back so

617
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: it too, you want the fucker get in there, Eddie.

618
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: Eddie apologizes sincerely, He's like, I fucked that.

619
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: I feel like he really means it, You really know

620
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 4: where him and Sophia could be allies, Like, there is

621
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: so much complexity to this.

622
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't even deal with it.

623
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: So Sophia is like, how can I trust you?

624
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 5: Though?

625
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: How can I trust you? And he says, how about

626
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: I keep showing you and you can? And it's like, fuck,

627
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: I love this guy.

628
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 4: Earlier, earlier in the episode, you know, he kind of

629
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 4: like there's this converse, there's this moment that they have

630
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: where it's just like she says to him, like, you

631
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: always say the right stuff because she's like, you deserve it.

632
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: I'm here because you deserve to be the head of

633
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: the Falcony family. And he does always say the right stuff.

634
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: But I do think it's because in the many versions

635
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: of Oz that are in his head and that he beat,

636
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 4: that he acts out kind of those performances of every day,

637
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 4: there is one in there who does believe that, who

638
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: would love to be in with Sophia.

639
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: And be her ally. Is it gonna last?

640
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 4: It's Oz, so probably not. But I'm loving Farrell and

641
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 4: Melotti together. I'm like, give them every Emmy. Put her

642
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: in the Batman two with Colin bats. I need to

643
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: see more of them, please.

644
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Then this little tete a tete is broken. Up when

645
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: Nadia Maroney pulls up with a bunch of guys and

646
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: guess what, she's fucking pissed. She's been watching Oz, who

647
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I guess has not been careful, and she's like, I

648
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: know what you've been doing. I know the double game

649
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: you've been playing. And Oz is clearly fucked. But then Vic,

650
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: who has just pulled up from uh deciding to let

651
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: Graciol get on the bus and come back to the club,

652
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: he sees this happening. He guns the Maserati, runs over

653
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: several of the Maroney gunman pins just like pins one

654
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: of them to the SUV one hundred percent his first murder,

655
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: like he has now killed a guy, and he is

656
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: he's in the he's concussed though, he's like the airbag

657
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: didn't get it go off, Like he's kind of a mess.

658
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Penguin and says Vic, I knew you come back. Let's

659
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: get out of here, come on, gun it and Vick

660
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: is like what about Sophia. He's like leave fuck they

661
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: and that's it. We go to we go to credits

662
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: and oh, man, what an episode of the Penguin.

663
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: I was also like, just when you think that he's

664
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: found an ally in Sofia, He's like, funck that bitch,

665
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: leave out with the tryad.

666
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I believe that Victor that Oz will

667
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: talk his way out of this somehow and and patch

668
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: things up with Sophia. And I only believe that because

669
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: I believe we're coming to a decisive will he fuck

670
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: over Sophia or not at the end of this? And

671
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: I wonder if he will like just severely betray her

672
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: at the end of this, or whether he will decide,

673
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe it's better in terms of the

674
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: heat for me to be the boss behind the boss.

675
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: We'll see. But I wonder where this leaves him and

676
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: Sophia now yeah, because that's you can't just you just

677
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: got done saying yeah, you can trust me, And now

678
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: he's like, now you just gotta leave her right now,

679
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: just gut it.

680
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: I like, miss, I don't know if I believe this

681
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: as a good plan, because like Nadia can just like

682
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: go and speak to Sofia and be like, bro, these

683
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 4: fucking idiot men like they're trying to play us against

684
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: each other, you know.

685
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: I think I would like to see that happen.

686
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: I think they've done a very interesting job in this

687
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: season of giving all the different women in this show

688
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 4: like Agent see and ways to kind of show it

689
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: while also showing how fucked up and patriarchal the mob

690
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: kind of community is and got them. I'm very interested

691
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: in it. It is such a good episode, great episode

692
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: for Vic, great episode for Frenzy f Lees, and I

693
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: am yeah, I'm very happy with the penguin.

694
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: You know what this season reminds me of and it's

695
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: again why I got it. We gotta you need your help.

696
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 5: I need.

697
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: Hold it open while I'm speaking him into the fucking

698
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: rubber suit. Is it reminds me of it. It's got

699
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: the pacing of like Breaking Bad and Better Call Soult,

700
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: where they're constantly putting their hero in a box that

701
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: you just think there's no way out, and then he

702
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: gets out, but there's not any cheating about the way

703
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: he gets at Like it's very very earned every single time,

704
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: so that each you know, solution creates it an even

705
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: more dangerous and intractable problem that he's going to need

706
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: to solve for the next episode. And like, I really

707
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: don't know how he gets out of this one, Like

708
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 1: how does he manage the Maronis and his apparent break

709
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: with Sophia as they're trying to make this new drug

710
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: business happen. I can't wait to see how it happens up. Next,

711
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: our interview with Frenzi Felice, who plays Vic in the Penguin.

712
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: Frensi Felice, thank you so much for joining us.

713
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

714
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great to have you here. Man.

715
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: So when we do this pod, we always kind of

716
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: ask people like, what's your comic book origin story? And

717
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: for people like us, that can be like we love

718
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 4: comic books. That can be the first comic you've read,

719
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: or it can just like your origin story is you

720
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 4: as an actor? So like, what's the thing that brought

721
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 4: you into this kind of world.

722
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 5: Oh man, into the world of acting?

723
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, or comics, whichever one works for you, because we

724
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 4: know everyone reads a comic.

725
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: Right right. I didn't read. I didn't read many growing up,

726
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: So I guess I'll take the ladder. What got me

727
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 5: into acting? It was kind of I guess it's like

728
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 5: it's canon. I was at my I was a base

729
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 5: I played baseball as most of my life, and my

730
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: best friend that I met I just moved to Los

731
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 5: Angeles for no reason other than the fact that my

732
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 5: parents wanted to move here, just kind of a random thing,

733
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 5: and I was playing. We were me and my friend

734
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: were practicing on a weekend baseball and this was the

735
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 5: very first thing. This is my very first touch with

736
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 5: acting as like a teenager or whatever. And his mom

737
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 5: called him and I heard him the phone. They were

738
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 5: talking about some improv class and I'd never been, but

739
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 5: they were inviting us, and he kind of said no

740
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 5: for the both of us, and I was like, what

741
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 5: did she invite you to? And he's like, oh, improv class.

742
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 5: I thought we should go. We should try, because you

743
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 5: want to go to that? And I go, yeah, yeah,

744
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 5: it's right.

745
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: I went out. It sounds fun.

746
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 5: I went, and I fell in love with just this

747
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 5: idea of like performing and this whole thing, and so

748
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 5: I started chasing it. Kind of after that, do.

749
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: You recall the thing that or the moment where you're like, actually,

750
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: what hold on? I say, I like this this.

751
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 5: Is yeah, yeah it was. I had so about a

752
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: year after that. It took me about enough time to

753
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 5: grow up the courage to finally quit baseball and and

754
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 5: I auditioned for the school play. It was a big

755
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 5: deal to quit baseball and to do the theater, because

756
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 5: theater's not you know, it's not very cool. So socially,

757
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 5: I was very scared of what people were going to say.

758
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 5: But I tried it anyways, and the first week of rehearsals,

759
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 5: I knew I wanted to do this forever. I was like,

760
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 5: this is the most fun thing I've ever done in

761
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 5: my entire life. I could do this rest of my life.

762
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: I'll happily do it.

763
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: That's incredible. I loved hear it. Also very high school

764
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: musical of you to leave to leave.

765
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 5: Roy Bolton wasn't.

766
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he keeps us going through our hardest moments.

767
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: We have to bet on it, you know, we're breaking free.

768
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 3: Breaking free, baby.

769
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 4: So what was it like for you to then, like,

770
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: you know, take that step into professional acting, because honestly,

771
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: that was you were pretty when that happened.

772
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was seventeen, one of those stories that I told,

773
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 5: and then eighteen when I finally realized that I was

774
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 5: kind of like I just had fallen in love with

775
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 5: this thing, and I was obsessed with it. I mean,

776
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 5: it's like it was my entire life. Every every week

777
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 5: and second I had I kind of spent either watching

778
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 5: movies or receiving interviews or or again watching movies that

779
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 5: I I watched so many movies. I was doing all that.

780
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 5: I felt like I had kind of accomplished whatever there

781
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 5: maybe was to accomplish. At the high school level, like

782
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 5: I had joined some competitions and I won them, and

783
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 5: it was Los Angeles. It was kind of like a

784
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 5: big pool of you know, young actors, and I had

785
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 5: done a decent job, and I joined a few things

786
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 5: in the school, in the theater program. I was kind

787
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: of like, you know, getting the roles that I wanted

788
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 5: to get in the plays and stuff, and so I

789
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 5: kind of just wanted, you know, people that I admired were,

790
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 5: you know, DiCaprio and Jonah Hill at that time, and

791
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: all these different actors who were killing it in the

792
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 5: game and in the industry. I was like, I want

793
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 5: to do that. So I kind of started searching for

794
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 5: an agent. And that was really the hardest part of

795
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 5: my entire career so far has been getting an agent.

796
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 5: It's it's impossible, especially when you don't know anyone in

797
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: the industry. And so I figured it out that I

798
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 5: got the agent, and then I started working.

799
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your role as VIC and the Penguin,

800
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: such an incredible performance and go toe to toe with

801
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: Colin Ferrell's out, which is amazing. Tell us how you

802
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: got this role?

803
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 5: Oh man, I had just suffered a heartbreak on a

804
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 5: different show that I was up for, and I mean

805
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: I got about as close as you can get on it.

806
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 5: It was like maybe I maybe I tested for it

807
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 5: a couple of times. I think I went up for

808
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 5: it seven eight times seven eight auditions, and there was

809
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 5: a bunch of people who wanted me to do it,

810
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 5: and there were some people who didn't want me to

811
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 5: do it on the project. And so the people who

812
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 5: didn't want me to do it one out, I didn't

813
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 5: get the role, and the very next audition I got

814
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 5: was for Penguin.

815
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 4: Wow.

816
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 5: And so I just kind of like in this like

817
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: weird stay because you know, I've been battling fighting Busney

818
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: for about a month already, and I was like kind

819
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 5: of drained. But in comes this massive show and I'd

820
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 5: seen The Batman. I loved it, and I loved Collins performance,

821
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 5: and I like, I get to it's gonna be a

822
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: show centered around you know, Oz, this is this is insane.

823
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: So I kind of it was. It was a cool

824
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 5: enough project to get me back kind of on the

825
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 5: horse again and give it, give it my all. It's

826
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 5: got the audition, I did it. I went over to

827
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 5: his friend's place and they helped me self tape it

828
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 5: and I did that. Then Craig wants to meet me

829
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 5: after that. That's the director of our first three episodes

830
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 5: and executive producer. So I met with him in a

831
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 5: director's session that went well, and they wanted me to

832
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 5: meet Colin. I met Colin, did a chemistry read there

833
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 5: and then and then I ended up getting the part.

834
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: Wowow what was the scene for the chemistry road with Colin?

835
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: It was an episode three when I'm in the bathroom

836
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 5: and he's and he's kind of you know, getting in

837
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 5: my face and that whole thing.

838
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 4: What is the experience like, obviously, like you know Colin,

839
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 4: your chemistry read with him, you get the role.

840
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: What's it like acting against him in that suit?

841
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 4: Because the suit is even overwhelming for him, like he's

842
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 4: saying it, So what's it like.

843
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: For you in those moments when you really have.

844
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 4: To go to to toe with him for kind of

845
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 4: VIC survival?

846
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 5: It's pretty awesome, to be honest. I mean, Mike Marino

847
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 5: and Companies. It's such a good job of designing this

848
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 5: thing that I swear to you, you are an inch

849
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 5: away from his face. You can feel bread. You cannot

850
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 5: tell that it's that it's not him, you know that

851
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 5: it's a mass. There were times I get on set

852
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 5: and I'm like, we he could very well not be

853
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 5: the person under all that, like they could.

854
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: He could.

855
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 5: They could have just found somebody else and he could

856
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 5: just be like chilling at home right now and we

857
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: wouldn't know. It is that good. And then he breaks

858
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 5: into the Irish accent every now and then it reminds

859
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 5: me that it is calling. But but it's it's really cool.

860
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: I mean it's almost it's almost easier than acting with

861
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 5: him if it was just his face. I know, admiring

862
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 5: his face so like, I you know, respect his work

863
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 5: and admired has worked so much that it would almost

864
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 5: be more daunting to look at the face of Colin

865
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 5: Farrell acting opposite me. Then it would be oz, you know,

866
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 5: there's this's this guy from Gotham or whatever. So it

867
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 5: actually helps a bit.

868
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, when we got done with episode three,

869
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: because we're going episode by episode because the show is

870
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: great and we don't want to get spoilt. I texted

871
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: Rosie and I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna find Colin.

872
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take him by the neck and put him

873
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: back in that suit for season two. We need it.

874
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: He's got to get back into the suit, seg bully

875
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: into that suit.

876
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: It's really.

877
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: I find myself particularly in that in that bathroom scene,

878
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: where you know Oz is completely laid raw open to

879
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: all of his emotions and all the conflict that's been

880
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: brewing with his past, with his family, the ambitions he

881
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: has for himself, but also theo's kind of more base

882
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: ambitions to have a better life and not wait for it.

883
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: And Oz is so manipulative, and I wonder Rosie, and

884
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: I was asking this of Rosie. I think that there's

885
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: something sincere about the way Oz relates to Vic, but

886
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: also like clearly manipulative. How much what's the balance there?

887
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: In your mind? Does oz re feel for Vic or

888
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: is he just trying to get the job done.

889
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 5: That's a great question. I feel like it's better suited

890
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 5: for Collin, but but from my perspective on the character,

891
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 5: I do think it's an interesting balance. Like you're saying,

892
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 5: I think it's a bit of both. I think that

893
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 5: he see I think I think ultimately deep down it's

894
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 5: this like I think he likes having the kid around

895
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 5: more for his own ego. You know, this kid is

896
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: looking up to him, and you hear about how he

897
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 5: talks about Rex in the very first episode and the

898
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 5: very first scene of the first episode, and it's about

899
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: this adoration that they have for this man. You know,

900
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 5: can you imagine to be remembered like that? The way

901
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: he's this love of this outpouring of love for Rex.

902
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 5: He wants that. So he finds someone you know, on

903
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 5: the exterior week like Victor, and he goes, I can

904
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 5: help this this guy can this kid could love me?

905
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: He could he can throw all that admiration onto me.

906
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 5: I could find that in him. Right, So there's this

907
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 5: there's this ego play that you know, maybe is behind

908
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 5: everything that we do. But but definitely I think it's

909
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 5: a strong motivating fact for Oz, even if he doesn't

910
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 5: necessarily know it, but I think he in his mind

911
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 5: he's helping me. So he's helping me, you know, become

912
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 5: a man. He's helping me become a better person. He's

913
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 5: helping me have a better life, and so that's why

914
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 5: I think he feels so betrayed when's it turns out

915
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 5: that maybe I'm gonna go, you're gonna go, or even

916
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 5: you're gonna go, I'm giving you everything you want? Are you?

917
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 5: Are you stupid? Are you talking about you? Are you

918
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 5: want nothing? Go have nothing? Then and it kind of

919
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 5: turns into that, right, And so it's just, yeah, I

920
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 5: think it's a bit of both. And then of course,

921
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 5: yes he wants things, he wants to accomplishment, but I

922
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 5: think the one thing that he wants the most is

923
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 5: just to have someone, is just to have this sort

924
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 5: of love for him. He wants the adoration. Yeah, I

925
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 5: think that's why he tries to keep me around.

926
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: And when you're playing Vick, you know, this is a

927
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: huge episode for him where it's kind of he is

928
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 4: making that choice of like is he gonna go with Graciela?

929
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Is he gonna have this new life in California?

930
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: But that would also be you know, he would always

931
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 4: be looking over his shoulder. He would never know if

932
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 4: he can really leave, like and then also the drawer

933
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 4: of being with Oz and the what that promise is

934
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 4: and also just like the emotional hit of like constantly

935
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: being playing that game with him, Like, what was it

936
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: like for you trying to get that balance for Vic

937
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: this episode?

938
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 5: No, I mean that was exactly it. It's exactly that.

939
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 5: It's this sort of balance of and and and added

940
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 5: to that, it's also the you also throw into the

941
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 5: pot this idea that you know, guy Sailla represents everything

942
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 5: that his family would want for him, and how his

943
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 5: family isn't here anymore and they would want him to

944
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 5: leave us. Is you know, whole drug and crime thing

945
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 5: going on that he got going on. They would want

946
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 5: him to leave and go and go be with Guysida

947
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 5: and live a normal, peaceful life. And so she represents

948
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 5: she represents his his his father's wishes, his mother's wishes,

949
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 5: and they're not there to expresshim anymore, but he knows

950
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 5: deep downs that they would want. And so it's that

951
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 5: combined with, of course the fact that he loves this

952
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 5: girl and cares about her, and then of course the

953
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 5: the the opposing sort of you know, other ram on

954
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 5: the other side of it is is this life with

955
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 5: us and how appealing it is, And then the money,

956
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 5: and money's a massive motive any factor to people who

957
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 5: don't have enough of it, and and and the power

958
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 5: and the confidence that he does. And he looks like

959
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 5: at Oz, who for no out exterior shell of a reason,

960
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 5: should be very confident. But the guy's boasting, and his

961
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 5: chest is out, and he's and he saw there, and

962
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 5: he's joking, and he's charismatic. And I think Victor likes

963
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 5: that and he wants to He admires it, and he

964
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 5: wants to be He wants to have that in himself.

965
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 5: He wants to find that in himself. And I think

966
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 5: that all these things conflicting. At the end of the day,

967
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 5: he asks himself, you know what am I really running towards?

968
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: I kind of I kind of scolded my dad in

969
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 5: some in some in some ways about not wanting, not

970
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 5: fighting for enough. Now Here, I'm gonna go and and

971
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 5: and do the same thing. I mean, here's here's an opportunity.

972
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 5: Here's my chance to be somebody. Here's my chance to

973
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 5: be a part of them, bigger than than what I've

974
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 5: been a part of my entire life. I can be,

975
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 5: I can I can have a purpose. And I think

976
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 5: that ultimately he decides to stay with us.

977
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember what the thing was that made you

978
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: feel like That's how I'm gonna portray Vic, like, you know,

979
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: whether it's an aspect of his character or something in

980
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: the sides that they gave you that allowed you to

981
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 1: grab onto something what was like the core of Vic

982
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: that you then built on.

983
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 5: Really, the very first thing that I that I knew

984
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 5: and that I kind of wanted to build on was

985
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 5: the I knew who Oz was because I'd gotten to

986
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 5: see the movie, and so I knew that there had

987
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 5: to be a ying and yang. I'm gonna be by

988
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 5: Oz the entire time. I can't be charismatic and loud

989
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 5: and big and bold. I have to be the opposite

990
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 5: of that. I have to be smaller and more observant

991
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 5: and more you know, calm and more regulated, as well

992
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 5: as opposed to Oz. And so I just knew that

993
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 5: they had to be kind of opposites, but opposites that

994
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 5: work well together. You know, Oz is this big character.

995
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 5: What more, What more does a big character want than

996
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 5: the guy who's gonna listen and laugh at all his jokes,

997
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. That's that's what the big guy,

998
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 5: the big loud guy wants, you wants somebody's gonna laugh.

999
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 5: And so essentially Victor just needs to be the counterpoint

1000
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 5: to what Oz is right, the ying and the ying,

1001
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 5: and so that was really what I built off of,

1002
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 5: making him a little smaller, making him a little bit

1003
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 5: more reserved, making him a little bit more observant, kind

1004
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 5: of shoulders in a little bit, and so just kind

1005
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 5: of building on this small versus big kind of you know, personalities.

1006
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 4: And what is it like for you, Like, you've already

1007
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: had a very eclectic career, You've been in you know, Encanto,

1008
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: You've done that, You've done Obviously, this is not your

1009
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: first superhero thing. I was a huge fan of The Runaways.

1010
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 4: Actually that was the first ever set I visited when

1011
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: I started doing this job, like seven years ago. But

1012
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: even with all of that, what was it like for

1013
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 4: you to you've seen the Batman, you know, the law

1014
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 4: of all of this. What's it like to step into

1015
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: that as like a completely new character too? So you

1016
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 4: have to create that whole field and you'll stepping into

1017
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: this much wider world that like Matt and Colin has created.

1018
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's almost it's almost hard to even conceptualize in

1019
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 5: that way, and so I don't even think I gave it.

1020
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 5: It might sound weird, I didn't give that part of

1021
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 5: it that much thought I was. I was so worried about,

1022
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 5: you know, the dynamic between Victor and Os and and

1023
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 5: then what the maybe the starter, how that's a I

1024
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 5: did Victor in his entire life? And how does that

1025
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 5: make him who he is? How do I portray it

1026
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 5: in an honest and organic way. I was so worried about,

1027
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 5: I guess the specific and then the smaller details of it.

1028
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 5: But I forgot to until now when people are asking me,

1029
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 5: so I forget that I'm really a part of something

1030
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 5: much larger, to zoom out and see the whole picture.

1031
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 5: You know, I think you're so in it in those

1032
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 5: moments that you forget that this there's this whole other

1033
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: thing that exists and lives on and and you know,

1034
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 5: I don't know. It's almost too big to even try

1035
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 5: and tackle. It's like the focus on the just focus

1036
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 5: on the day between you and Oz and not the

1037
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 5: rest sort of self out.

1038
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: How much of your character in the scenes that we see,

1039
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: and the kind of chemistry between you and Oz was

1040
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: there from day one on the sides, and how much

1041
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: of it is built from conversations you had with the

1042
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: director of conversations you had with Colin, with other members.

1043
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 5: Of production, the chemistry between the column.

1044
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I think that there's you know, I'm

1045
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: thinking talking about that scene for the bathroom and then

1046
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: the one from the restaurant where you were talking about

1047
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: the yin and the yang, and there's that great moment

1048
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: where Vic stutter comes back and the waiter finishes for him,

1049
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: and then Oz is like, no, no, don't do that,

1050
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, let him do it, and then you have

1051
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: that conversation about make them wait for you. How much

1052
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: of that, like backstory and those kind of vulnerabilities that

1053
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: Vic has, We're right there from day one. And how

1054
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: much of it was, like you building out the biography

1055
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: of Vic.

1056
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, a lot of it. I mean a ninety

1057
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: five percent of that is there in the script of

1058
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 5: Lauren lefranc and all the incredible writers on our show

1059
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 5: built up this awesome world and these awesome characters. The

1060
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 5: only thing that me and maybe and Mark my myf

1061
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 5: fluency consultant, I think is the official title. But he

1062
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 5: he's basically like a dialet coach for me, and he

1063
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 5: has a stutter himself as well, and he's an advocate

1064
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 5: in a sattering community, and so he kind of was

1065
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 5: able to give me insight that you know that was invaluable.

1066
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 5: And I wrote down so many things, and we can

1067
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 5: created so many things, and I created on my own

1068
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 5: so many things, and so we got to really work

1069
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 5: together to uh to create things. I mean, again, the

1070
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 5: backstory was there, but when we talk about there's like little,

1071
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 5: very very little and subtle things that that me and

1072
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 5: Mark were it was really important to was to throw in.

1073
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 5: I think it gives it gives context to a life

1074
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 5: long journey that Victor's had with having stutters in a disability.

1075
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 5: So there's small things where Victor will change his words

1076
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 5: a lot that doesn't necessarily happen the scripts. So many

1077
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 5: me and Mark added there's a there's like, you know,

1078
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 5: embarrassing moments there that you know, you feel a little

1079
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Speaker 5: bit embarrassed by that aren't necessarily in the script. And

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Speaker 5: there's you know, certain the way we stutter and blocks

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Speaker 5: and repetitions and all these different things that we're doing

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Speaker 5: and secondary behaviors and all these things that we added.

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Speaker 5: But that's more in performance than it is in like lines.

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Speaker 5: You know, the lines are all there, and that's all

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Speaker 5: that they've written and me and Colin were lucky enough

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Speaker 5: to you know, me and the whole cast, we're lucky

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Speaker 5: enough to be able to say them and then bring

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Speaker 5: them to life.

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Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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Speaker 4: And you know, every new project, like you hope that

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Speaker 4: it brings something new that you're able to do. What

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Speaker 4: was it, like You've spoken about bringing to life kind

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00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 4: of Victor's stuff, but was there anything in this role

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Speaker 4: that you felt allowed you to expand and do something

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Speaker 4: completely different?

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Speaker 5: Other than that, that's the first time I've ever done

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Speaker 5: any kind of die like whatsoever.

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Speaker 6: Necessarily, I'll say this, this is definitely the darkest show

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Speaker 6: I've ever made. It's the most it's the darkest and

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Speaker 6: the most twisted thing I've ever done. And then you

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Speaker 6: guys have seen the first three, but you'll see as

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Speaker 6: it goes on, it just gets crazier. And so I

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Speaker 6: think that I think it's the first time that I've

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Speaker 6: ever got to be a part of something that's show

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Speaker 6: I don't know, grimy and dirty and and like you know,

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Speaker 6: you're in the mud of it, and it's and it's

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Speaker 6: it's fun on one hand because it's like you know,

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Speaker 6: you know the story you're telling, and it's exciting and

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Speaker 6: it's thrilling.

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Speaker 5: But on the other hand, it's like you're going on

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Speaker 5: set and you're doing these things that are, you know,

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Speaker 5: either pretty sad or pretty gruesome, and you're going to

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Speaker 5: have and you're having to live trying as best you can,

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Speaker 5: you know, live out these moments, and it's like, I

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Speaker 5: don't know, it's it's it's like it leaves you kind

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00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 5: of you in a little bit weird at some days

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00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 5: because it's so it's so like, oh man that today

1118
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 5: was brutal and so so yeah, I think that's that's

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Speaker 5: something that I had to kind of try and expand

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Speaker 5: and and and and learn how to do. Was kind

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Speaker 5: of live with that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: One last question, Bronx Sky baseball guy, I'm guessing Yankee fan.

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Speaker 1: You may not know this, but the Gotham Knights baseball team,

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Speaker 1: the team that exists fictionally in the fictional Gotham City,

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Speaker 1: is canonically part of the American League. So looking forward,

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Speaker 1: looking forward, as the playoffs approach, how are you feeling

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Speaker 1: about the about the about the playoffs and the.

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Speaker 5: Yankee I'm feeling good about our guys. Look, it's uh,

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Speaker 5: we we're waiting any day and I don't know when

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00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 5: this is when this cap is coming out, but anything,

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Speaker 5: we're going to clinch the Al East. That's very exciting,

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Speaker 5: and then we're going into it. We're going into with

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Speaker 5: a bit of a squad. I mean, I wish our

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00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 5: pitching was a bit honestly though everyone's been pitching pretty

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00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 5: well recently. But we just gotta do. I like our

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00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 5: chances to win the whole damn thing. I think it's

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Speaker 5: gonna be tough this year, but we've got a good

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00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 5: squad of guys. They're excited. I'm gonna be there for

1140
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Speaker 5: some of the games one hundred percent, so I'll be

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Speaker 5: rootined for them from the stands and we'll see what

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Speaker 5: we can do.

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Speaker 3: Rezie Polase, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. On the next episode of

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Speaker 1: X Ray Vision, we're bringing in a horror expert, All

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Speaker 1: Caps Expra Expert to give us the best starter horror

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00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: films and help us break down why why be scared?

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00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: Why make yourself scared? Why look at why good and

1149
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: the depth and the gore?

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00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: Why HI find the sofa? Why why are.

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00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: We fascinated with it? That's it for this episode. See

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 7: Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Gisupson and

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Speaker 7: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts are

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Speaker 7: Executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are

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Speaker 1: Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by

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Speaker 1: Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude.

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Speaker 3: Kenny Goodman and Heidi our discord moderator.