WEBVTT - #507 - Chris Tomlin Returns! On Releasing a Song That’s 1,800 Years Old + Bobby Gets His Thoughts on Judas + How He Reacts When People Curse Around Him + Writing His Favorite Lyric Ever 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.520 You know, sometimes we think heaven looks like America or 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:10.160 something like that. 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:11.320 Maybe it's like. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.720 It looks nothing like that. This was a Tuesday in 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.280 the world. Is every kind of person's lined up just 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.240 to stand there and just to kiss the stone where Jesus. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:27.000 Late episode five oh seven, Chris Tomlin returns one of 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.120 my favorite people in Nashville. Is just the best of 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.279 a genuine affinity for Chris, and hopefully you can tell 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.800 during this interview at Chris Tomlin is his Instagram if 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.120 you want to follow him, and we do talk about everything, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.840 including the music he's putting out or now has put out, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:44.880 and even the oldest song ever written. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:46.320 Yeah. I think that's the wildest part. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:48.680 Yeah, it's like eighteen hundred years old. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.839 Yeah. Yeah. Did you feel like my Bob Dylan reference. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.880 Minimized it because he's talking about it, so you'll hear 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.040 a song that was written basically on a tablet. Yeah, 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:02.680 I think it's a good co and the Christian War 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.080 and I'm like, well, Bob Dylan wagon Will says. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.040 Like, no, this song is eighteen hundred years old. Yeah, 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:09.360 so uh yeah. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.680 I love Chris and his good Friday Nashville shows are 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.240 the best we went last year. He's got worship under 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.360 the Stars, which we talk about here. He is, which, 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.040 by the way, Chris Tomlin is tied with Taylor Swift 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:26.080 as the number two ranking of artists headlining Bridgestone. I 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.360 think McGraw has the number one spot. But also Chris 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.080 Tomlin's like one of the biggest touring artists in the world. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:31.959 Isn't that crazy? 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.720 It is wild because a lot of artists big in America, 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.240 not that big everywhere else. Chris Tomlin big in America, 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:45.040 big other places too, because the music, just Christian music 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.400 is for Christians everywhere. National man, Chris Tomlin. Here he returned. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.120 I'm not going to read the should read the princes, No, 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.040 I should read Okay, okay. Chris Tomlin returns, episode five 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.720 o seven. Chris, good to see you again, man, great 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.200 to see you. Last time I saw you, I was 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.520 you know, you're one of the few people that I 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.320 wouldn't feel awkward this happening, and I did, And I 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.120 want to say this to begin with, I didn't feel award, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.640 but my wife and I were sitting and I always 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.960 feel we're approaching a sitting table that's eating and luckily 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.120 we know you and you came up and we were 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.440 sitting at Urban Market. Yeah, and I was like, you 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.680 know what, one of the maybe three people that wouldn't 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.120 be awkward as we're sitting and they came and dominated 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.840 us because you're standing, You're dominating, You're over the top. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.520 You're like, hey, how's it going, And we're looking up 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:32.600 at you and I'm so dominant. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:37.160 We're like, oh my goodness, this is so dominating. Yeah. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.040 That's the last I saw you there. And we went 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:40.760 to your Easter show last year. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:42.600 Thank you for coming. That's I think that's our two 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:43.919 run ends in the past few months. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:44.200 Yes. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.640 But social media is so weird though, because I feel like, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:48.760 even though I'm not, I kind of feel like I'm 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.160 still keeping up, you know, I see I'm like, yeah, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.040 I know, chriss up to me. Of course, I was 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.040 thinking about yesterday because my in laws we're talking about 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:03.120 Easter and they are either going to come here to 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.600 do the show or we're going to go there to 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.320 Oklahoma and do something there. But the selling point was, 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:11.440 I know, Chris Amlin. 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.160 Was I'm just letting you know. The selling point was, 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.040 let's go the show's all And I know Chris. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.880 So Chris, and we'll we'll hang it. So if we win, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.000 that's why. But if we lose, that's why it wasn't 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:25.000 quite strong enough. 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.840 I like it, bro. I can't wait to see which 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.240 way goes. How you been I did good man great? 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.400 I was looking through and I rarely will just address 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.040 the notes that I have just right off the bat, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.800 but I just need help a little bit, okay, because sorry, no, 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.320 You're just you're killing it and it's so much I 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.480 just need I'm gonna ask questions in ways that I 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.480 don't understand about things because you're so involved in so 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.000 many really cool projects that I just need to know 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.720 the capacities are involved. Yeah, okay, So first House of David, Yes, okay, 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:00.640 so we're just talking about. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.400 That before you come in. Yeah yeah, okay. 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.800 So, uh one of your songs I know it is 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.119 in the soundtrack, yeah, which is After your Heart, After 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:08.440 Your Heart. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:09.200 Okay. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.080 Yeah, that's all I'm involved. Okay, well, not all that 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.400 is involved. That's how I'm involved. 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.920 Okay. Yes, As approached to that in the last fall and. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.120 Said, hey, they're coming out with this, and I was 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.640 so excited anything about David. I mean, I could go 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.240 on and on, but I was like, are you kidding me? 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.320 This is going to be I hope they do this 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.080 well because it's going to be what insane, what an 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.240 incredible story. So yeah, man, that was I was involved, 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.800 and I was as I as I normally am in 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.760 the middle of the night. It's one of the when 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.640 when the ideas came, and I just I had this idea, 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.400 and I think it's one of my favorite lyrics I've 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.440 ever written. And it was the first line of the song, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.440 and I went, I got up in the mill of 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.880 night and sing it into my phone, and it just 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:53.000 and it said this. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:54.440 It says, h I. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.800 Got a sling in one hand, I gotta I gotta 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.160 harp harp in one hand, and a sling and a 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.320 sling in the other for the battles I fight, I 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:05.320 fight with these. And I thought, that's that's David. And 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.000 and so I wrote this song after you. It's called 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.360 after your Heart. The Bible says David was a man 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.040 after God's own heart. And so I wrote this little 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.599 idea of of all his ups and downs, his triumphs 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:21.039 and his failures and and so that was my favorite, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:22.400 one of my favorite things I've. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:22.880 Gotten to wright. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.920 Did they approach you about doing a song for it first? 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.719 And then that came as you had it on your mind? 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.000 Or is it the Yeah, it was we're making this 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.640 House of David? Do you do you have a song 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:33.200 about David? 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.279 And I was like, I don't, but I've never a 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:41.520 song about him, But I would like the challenge. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:42.640 I guess to me, it would go in my mind, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.000 I would go, well, which version, like which part of 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.919 the David story? Right as like the King the powerful 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.600 or David as you talk about the slang like there's 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:53.800 difference like Michael Jordan, do you talk about his early 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.880 years with the Bulls? Do you do when he won 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.440 three and three? Do the Wizards? 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.599 Yes? So that to me, that would be what I 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.720 would think about. How, yeah, if I were going to 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.440 do a song about David, it's a big story. Did 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.240 they give you a parted like we want? 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.120 And they gave zero because at that point they didn't 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.599 have a lot of guides. They're like, oh, we don't 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.640 have a lot of guides. Just kind of write something. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.080 And you know they said, Psalm forty's taken, Psalm twenty 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:23.359 three is taken, and uh, which is I figured? But 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.320 like write something from just anything you think about. So 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:33.240 that idea of of David being, you know, the the 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.760 worship leader of the Bible, right, he wrote the songs, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.719 he wrote the songs of the time of of praise 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.400 to God, write the psalms. Always kid that one day 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.800 I'm going to meet David in heaven and he's gonna 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.840 have words of me, because I get a lot of 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.400 credit for things he wrote, because it's I take all 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.760 this my songs from the psalms. And so when I 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.640 when that line came, you know, that opening line, I've 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.320 got a slinging. I've got a harp in one hand 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.560 and a sling and the other for the battles I fight. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.039 I fight at these. I thought, that's David. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.159 He was such a He was a he had a 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.200 heart for God, and he was a warrior. And that 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.880 that idea of that harp and that sling those two 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:15.360 things two two completely different weapons, you know, but both 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.400 one is kind of the spiritual world, you know, and 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.200 one is the physical world. And he was a he 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.119 was a fighter in both. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.520 So before I move to the next thing, sorry, no, 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.160 no hearing you talk about things, I have like one 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.640 hundred questions based on what you just said. But Uh, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.480 when I am doing comps Bible comps to myself and 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.320 people that I either want to emulate or or things 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.720 I want to avoid, I think about Saul, how pride, 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.080 how prideful Saul was, and which led which you know, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:51.520 the diminishing king. Uh, and pride is really what cost him. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.760 And that's that's a comp that I make that I 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.360 try not to be. Yeah, and that because again David 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.880 ends up following Saul. Yeah, you know the story. I 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:01.800 don't have to tell you this story. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.880 Well, but like it's amazing because but all would say 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.560 play the harp right because it eased him. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.200 And I try to I try to not be Saul. Right. 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.880 I just read The Alchemist I have I can't remember it. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.360 I read it so long ago. I loved it. I 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:20.160 loved it, and it was one of those books that 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.920 everybody's always read and or read a long time ago, 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.200 and I just never have. And I'm in a place 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.160 now my life where I kind of don't know I'm 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.480 in many ways, I am exactly where I want to be, 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.319 but I've never been more lost. At the same time, Yeah, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.199 it's like this odd juxtaposition, like I know exactly who 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.600 I am, but I also have no clue more than ever. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.600 And I was flipping through books cause I like to read. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.679 I just finished the fiction book and I'm usually not 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.320 even a fiction reader, and I flipped like seven or eight, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.680 and for no reason, the Alchemist came up and I 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:54.839 clicked it and read it and I read it like 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.400 a day and a half. And not that I'm a 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.360 pretty fast reader, but I was just so in. And 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:03.560 it's about finding your personal legend, yes, yes, yes, and 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.000 not really attached to any religion, right, because there are 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.440 references to Christ all and all, but but they make 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.640 sure to go this is not specifically related to religion, right, 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.120 And in that, you know, there's a pride theme. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.800 And I thought about just. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.400 This story specifically, and you talking about that just kind 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:26.120 of retriggered. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:26.839 Retriggered. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.800 That is, I try to not be Saw, like That's 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.559 what I truly, you know, I try to not and 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:38.199 not be Saw. David's David's an odd, remarkable, amazing story. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.520 It's all of those, It's all of it. It's the 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.679 it's the triumph and the failure me. He failed as 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:45.920 big as you can fail. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.480 And I mean, I don't think too many people have 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.160 done worse than he's done, and yet somehow he had 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:56.120 this heart after God too. And so it's very relatable, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.880 I think to anybody. I think that's why I'm so 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.480 excited they were doing something like that. It's like that 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:04.400 is so relatable to anyone. A lot of people's maybe 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.400 people like, well, I'm never gonna be the king of anything, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.760 but that's just the power of his story and just like. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.080 You don't, he didn't have it altogether, you know. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.360 I think we look at these the especially a Bible characters, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:22.520 like there's these mythical creatures like they're these saints and wow, man, 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.040 these just had so many flaws and yet to did 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:27.240 incredible things as well. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:28.800 I'm gonna run into something by it. 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.160 We just talked about on a podcast last week, and 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:37.360 I was talking about misunderstood finger quote villains. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.360 Yeah, and I bring up Judas. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.960 Oh man, Okay, we can get going on this and 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.280 so and and I was talking to one of my 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:49.080 friends who reads the Bible every day. Yeah, and to 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.240 most people just to name Judas because of how it's 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.319 referenced for the most part obviously is one who betrays 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:02.320 He betrayed Christ, and how I has suggested on a 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:07.880 microphone to my friend on second look, if Jesus is 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.760 all knowing, which he is, that had to be put 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:16.600 into place, Yeah, for all of it to happen, the crucifixion, So. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.320 Judas would not have been there to begin with. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.559 If it weren't for Jesus. Judas betrayed Jesus just as 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:30.040 was predicted. Judas is seen as the betrayal. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:31.560 Very much so. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.840 But my presentation, I wouldn't even say argument, because we 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:41.000 were just looking at characters fictional or nonfiction that we 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.240 have a signed attack too. We did ben Atic Arnold 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.800 and it was, but we spent a lot of time 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:51.280 on Judas and I really feel like, oh, Judas kind 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.079 of gets the raw end sometimes because I feel like 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.199 he was selected to do just that, and without him 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:00.400 doing just that, the Crucifixion, all of it, it would 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:00.760 have happened. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:00.959 Right. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.520 And so in conclusion of my mini ted talk, I said, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.920 I feel like we should give Judas a second look 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:12.800 and maybe understand that Christ understood what needed to happen 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.240 for what needed to happen to happen. 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.920 What are your thoughts on that theory. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.600 Let's go, let's. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.480 Just go deep in. This was literally on the last 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:22.240 podcast we did. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.400 Okay, so I just got to be a part of 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.920 this movie called The Last Supper. And the reason I 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.880 was interested in being a part of the movie and 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.240 helping get the word out about this movie is because 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:41.560 it took the different look the Last Supper. Obviously Jesus 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.480 the central character, but really it's Peter and Judas. It's 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:49.200 through the lens of Peter and Judas, both of whom 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:54.760 you know, don't have a great part in this story 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.800 of the Last Supper. Well with Judas. What I was 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:01.520 so moved by is that I was is that moment 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.720 in at the scene Okay, let me, let me just 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.200 set the scene there in Jesus like, okay, let's have 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.560 this passover meal. It's this it's it's passed over time, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.160 and let's have this meal and get get it all together, 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.679 and just like they would normally do year after year 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.240 after year, but this time it was different. And he 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:24.319 began to wash their feet, and that's the famous where 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.200 he starts washing Peter's feet. He's like, what are you doing? 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.360 Peter's like, what are you doing? He's like, yeah, I'm 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.080 so you're I don't even I'm not even worthy to 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:30.680 tell your sandals. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:31.319 What are you doing? 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.400 And she's like, this is I'm showing you, I'm serving you, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:36.920 and this is what I want you to do others 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.480 and he washes Judas and he's and you're like and 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.680 then there's and I was really struck by the movie. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.400 I was like, I was like, I've been I've been 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.120 a follower of Jesus. I've been a Christian most of 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.360 my life since i was a kid, and I've studied 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.840 and I've read the Bible and I've heard all the stories, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:54.880 and yeah, I saw it a brand new again because 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.360 I saw this moment where Jesus changes the whole thing 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.600 and he takes the bread as he normally would pass around, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.000 but this time he breaks it and he's like, this 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:04.720 is my body. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.120 Actually I'm about to be broken for you in it. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.160 And you see the guys, you see these disciples, you 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.720 see these brothers, these friends, they're just friends, right. We 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.480 know him as the Saint Thomas and Saint Matthew and 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.720 sat these were just these were normal guys and they're 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.400 trying to figure it out. And which is crazy is 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.600 most of them I learned through this Most of them 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:30.200 were teenagers or early twenties. So think about that, they're 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.360 eighteen nineteen years old and this they're about to change 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.120 the entire world. And Jesus like, he changes the whole thing. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.000 He's like, I'm breaking this, and he starts handing the 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.280 bread because this is actually my body. And they're just 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.200 they're looking a each other like, whoa, this is different. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.080 This is not how this normal goes. And he takes 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.560 the cup and he's like, and this is my blood. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:48.520 This was about to happen. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.480 And when you once you remember me when you do this. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.000 And yet he and he but he gives the bread 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.920 and he's he gives it, and Judas and Peter are there, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.800 and I'm thinking I just saw it brand new because 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:08.280 I'm thinking, Wow, this is the picture the forgiveness of 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.840 God that all for me, for you, for everybodyho's listening 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.760 to this. How powerful that even though Jesus knew what 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.120 was coming, he knew that he was about to go 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:19.800 to the cross, they did not understand. They were still 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.560 trying to figure it out, like what was he talking about. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.520 He's like, it's all coming down to it's all about 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.400 to happen. I'm about to be killed for the sins 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.520 of the world. And yet he knew that one of them. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.040 He's looking at one of them, and you're going to 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.160 deny me. You're about to I know you're going to 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.080 go and say, even though you say you're gonna be 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.040 with me till the end, you're about to say you don't. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:39.600 Even know who I am. 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.200 When a little girl asks you, aren't you with him? 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:43.680 And you're gonna say, no, I don't even know who 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.840 that is. And then Judas, you're about to go for 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:52.240 some money, turn me in, And that kind of what 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.000 you're kind of getting at, that to me shows the 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.640 side of the Gospel, of the good News, of this message. 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:00.440 It puts it. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.520 In a in a powerful way of like, man, Jesus 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.280 knew this, like you said, and yet he's he's like, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.240 I'm doing this for you. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.880 You know I know what you're about to do. This 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:09.600 is still for you. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.640 And that's man that And then when I saw I 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.240 saw myself, I just saw myself in that in those guys. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.360 How much in me is is a man. Sometimes I'm 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.000 Peter and I'm the bodyguard Jesus. I will no one's 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.680 gonna take you. I will go with you to the end. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.240 And then I found myself through my actions, through my 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.040 words denying him. I found myself betraying. I find myself 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.440 in the same place. And so I think that's why 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.280 that that picture is there, is to help people, to 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.680 help me and to help us remember that this was this, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.120 This was for This is for those who were going 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:47.680 to betray into into wrong Jesus, and yet it was 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.120 for them and for the for the world, for all 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.280 of us because we're all in that basket, none of us. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.920 It may look a little bit different, but we're all 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:56.600 in that in that basket with those guys. And so 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.400 that that's been such a a beautiful picture reminder to 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.119 me this this kind of this Easter season, because of 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.679 being a part of that movie and helping get that 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:11.080 made and showing that picture to people again of just 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:13.240 how that moment. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.200 So would you support my theory of since Jesus is 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:18.639 all knowing and he knew that he was going to 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.159 do it and that needed to happen, that he I 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.360 don't think he should just be universally be the bad guy. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.080 Yeah, exactly. 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:27.399 You don't have to agree, by the way, you can 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.359 you can totally no, no, no, A year a moron, because 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:29.920 I hear that. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.679 All day, all day, every day. That's all I hear 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.080 all day, not I think, I mean, there's not. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.119 No, there's not a lot of people been named Judas 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:37.880 since then, and. 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.440 Exactly a couple of names that have died Judas ate off. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:42.960 There have been a few of these that we just 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.959 don't do anymore. Yes, Judas bonesy No, none, none of that. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.360 Judas Bones is not happening. But yeah, there is. There's 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.159 a reason for that. But yes, I mean it was. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.680 That was part of the plan and Judas was Yeah, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.000 Jesus part the plant. And so I will say this, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.959 and this is not to be over spiritual, but if 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.840 we throw Judas away, we must well throw everybody else away. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.919 Exactly my point. That's what over spiritual. That's just talking 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.320 about the topic we're talking about. Yeah, it's you know, 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.760 because who any of us? Who? 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:14.720 Who? Who has it? 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.880 Toget who wouldn't Well, I see a bit again. I say, 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:19.560 I try to be sold about. I want to be 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.879 more David. But there's definitely Sall on me. There's definitely 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.159 David in me. There's definitely Judas. We all it's it's this, 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.359 we're all that For me, I'm just trying to push 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.919 down the ones that the characteristics I don't like, and 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.400 really trying to accentuate the ones that I do. Yes, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.960 you did no Greater Love for the Last Supper? Yes, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.040 And that you're in credits is a different song and 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.040 you know it's no Gary Love is and in credits, 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.600 so that is that's when it airs. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.720 Yes, how much of it? Do they run the whole song? 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.240 And are you mad people walk out during your song? Exactly? 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.520 I'm like, this is the only I just want to say, hey, guys, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.720 wait because as soon as starts trolling on, everybody's getting up. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.520 I'm like, wait, wait, wait, let's please listen to this song. 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.560 Did they they run the wholesome? They run the all song? Yeah? 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.920 And did they tell you write a song for it? 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:04.119 Or did you have it? 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:05.840 That's how I got involved with the movie. Obviously it 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.679