Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we think heaven looks like America or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like.
Speaker 1: It looks nothing like that. This was a Tuesday in
Speaker 1: the world. Is every kind of person's lined up just
Speaker 1: to stand there and just to kiss the stone where Jesus.
Speaker 3: Late episode five oh seven, Chris Tomlin returns one of
Speaker 3: my favorite people in Nashville. Is just the best of
Speaker 3: a genuine affinity for Chris, and hopefully you can tell
Speaker 3: during this interview at Chris Tomlin is his Instagram if
Speaker 3: you want to follow him, and we do talk about everything,
Speaker 3: including the music he's putting out or now has put out,
Speaker 3: and even the oldest song ever written.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the wildest part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like eighteen hundred years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Did you feel like my Bob Dylan reference.
Speaker 3: Minimized it because he's talking about it, so you'll hear
Speaker 3: a song that was written basically on a tablet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's a good co and the Christian War
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, Bob Dylan wagon Will says.
Speaker 2: Like, no, this song is eighteen hundred years old. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I love Chris and his good Friday Nashville shows are
Speaker 3: the best we went last year. He's got worship under
Speaker 3: the Stars, which we talk about here. He is, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, Chris Tomlin is tied with Taylor Swift
Speaker 3: as the number two ranking of artists headlining Bridgestone. I
Speaker 3: think McGraw has the number one spot. But also Chris
Speaker 3: Tomlin's like one of the biggest touring artists in the world.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: It is wild because a lot of artists big in America,
Speaker 3: not that big everywhere else. Chris Tomlin big in America,
Speaker 3: big other places too, because the music, just Christian music
Speaker 3: is for Christians everywhere. National man, Chris Tomlin. Here he returned.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to read the should read the princes, No,
Speaker 3: I should read Okay, okay. Chris Tomlin returns, episode five
Speaker 3: o seven. Chris, good to see you again, man, great
Speaker 3: to see you. Last time I saw you, I was
Speaker 3: you know, you're one of the few people that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't feel awkward this happening, and I did, And I
Speaker 3: want to say this to begin with, I didn't feel award,
Speaker 3: but my wife and I were sitting and I always
Speaker 3: feel we're approaching a sitting table that's eating and luckily
Speaker 3: we know you and you came up and we were
Speaker 3: sitting at Urban Market. Yeah, and I was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, one of the maybe three people that wouldn't
Speaker 3: be awkward as we're sitting and they came and dominated
Speaker 3: us because you're standing, You're dominating, You're over the top.
Speaker 3: You're like, hey, how's it going, And we're looking up
Speaker 3: at you and I'm so dominant.
Speaker 2: We're like, oh my goodness, this is so dominating. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's the last I saw you there. And we went
Speaker 3: to your Easter show last year.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. That's I think that's our two
Speaker 1: run ends in the past few months.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: But social media is so weird though, because I feel like,
Speaker 3: even though I'm not, I kind of feel like I'm
Speaker 3: still keeping up, you know, I see I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, chriss up to me. Of course, I was
Speaker 3: thinking about yesterday because my in laws we're talking about
Speaker 3: Easter and they are either going to come here to
Speaker 3: do the show or we're going to go there to
Speaker 3: Oklahoma and do something there. But the selling point was,
Speaker 3: I know, Chris Amlin.
Speaker 2: Was I'm just letting you know. The selling point was,
Speaker 2: let's go the show's all And I know Chris.
Speaker 3: So Chris, and we'll we'll hang it. So if we win,
Speaker 3: that's why. But if we lose, that's why it wasn't
Speaker 3: quite strong enough.
Speaker 2: I like it, bro. I can't wait to see which
Speaker 2: way goes. How you been I did good man great?
Speaker 3: I was looking through and I rarely will just address
Speaker 3: the notes that I have just right off the bat,
Speaker 3: but I just need help a little bit, okay, because sorry, no,
Speaker 3: You're just you're killing it and it's so much I
Speaker 3: just need I'm gonna ask questions in ways that I
Speaker 3: don't understand about things because you're so involved in so
Speaker 3: many really cool projects that I just need to know
Speaker 3: the capacities are involved. Yeah, okay, So first House of David, Yes, okay,
Speaker 3: so we're just talking about.
Speaker 2: That before you come in. Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: So, uh one of your songs I know it is
Speaker 3: in the soundtrack, yeah, which is After your Heart, After
Speaker 3: Your Heart.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all I'm involved. Okay, well, not all that
Speaker 3: is involved. That's how I'm involved.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yes, As approached to that in the last fall and.
Speaker 1: Said, hey, they're coming out with this, and I was
Speaker 1: so excited anything about David. I mean, I could go
Speaker 1: on and on, but I was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: This is going to be I hope they do this
Speaker 1: well because it's going to be what insane, what an
Speaker 1: incredible story. So yeah, man, that was I was involved,
Speaker 1: and I was as I as I normally am in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. It's one of the when
Speaker 1: when the ideas came, and I just I had this idea,
Speaker 1: and I think it's one of my favorite lyrics I've
Speaker 1: ever written. And it was the first line of the song,
Speaker 1: and I went, I got up in the mill of
Speaker 1: night and sing it into my phone, and it just
Speaker 1: and it said this.
Speaker 2: It says, h I.
Speaker 1: Got a sling in one hand, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: harp harp in one hand, and a sling and a
Speaker 1: sling in the other for the battles I fight, I
Speaker 1: fight with these. And I thought, that's that's David. And
Speaker 1: and so I wrote this song after you. It's called
Speaker 1: after your Heart. The Bible says David was a man
Speaker 1: after God's own heart. And so I wrote this little
Speaker 1: idea of of all his ups and downs, his triumphs
Speaker 1: and his failures and and so that was my favorite,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things I've.
Speaker 2: Gotten to wright.
Speaker 3: Did they approach you about doing a song for it first?
Speaker 3: And then that came as you had it on your mind?
Speaker 3: Or is it the Yeah, it was we're making this
Speaker 3: House of David? Do you do you have a song
Speaker 3: about David?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't, but I've never a
Speaker 1: song about him, But I would like the challenge.
Speaker 3: I guess to me, it would go in my mind,
Speaker 3: I would go, well, which version, like which part of
Speaker 3: the David story? Right as like the King the powerful
Speaker 3: or David as you talk about the slang like there's
Speaker 3: difference like Michael Jordan, do you talk about his early
Speaker 3: years with the Bulls? Do you do when he won
Speaker 3: three and three? Do the Wizards?
Speaker 2: Yes? So that to me, that would be what I
Speaker 2: would think about. How, yeah, if I were going to
Speaker 2: do a song about David, it's a big story. Did
Speaker 2: they give you a parted like we want?
Speaker 1: And they gave zero because at that point they didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of guides. They're like, oh, we don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of guides. Just kind of write something.
Speaker 1: And you know they said, Psalm forty's taken, Psalm twenty
Speaker 1: three is taken, and uh, which is I figured? But
Speaker 1: like write something from just anything you think about. So
Speaker 1: that idea of of David being, you know, the the
Speaker 1: worship leader of the Bible, right, he wrote the songs,
Speaker 1: he wrote the songs of the time of of praise
Speaker 1: to God, write the psalms. Always kid that one day
Speaker 1: I'm going to meet David in heaven and he's gonna
Speaker 1: have words of me, because I get a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for things he wrote, because it's I take all
Speaker 1: this my songs from the psalms. And so when I
Speaker 1: when that line came, you know, that opening line, I've
Speaker 1: got a slinging. I've got a harp in one hand
Speaker 1: and a sling and the other for the battles I fight.
Speaker 2: I fight at these. I thought, that's David.
Speaker 1: He was such a He was a he had a
Speaker 1: heart for God, and he was a warrior. And that
Speaker 1: that idea of that harp and that sling those two
Speaker 1: things two two completely different weapons, you know, but both
Speaker 1: one is kind of the spiritual world, you know, and
Speaker 1: one is the physical world. And he was a he
Speaker 1: was a fighter in both.
Speaker 3: So before I move to the next thing, sorry, no,
Speaker 3: no hearing you talk about things, I have like one
Speaker 3: hundred questions based on what you just said. But Uh,
Speaker 3: when I am doing comps Bible comps to myself and
Speaker 3: people that I either want to emulate or or things
Speaker 3: I want to avoid, I think about Saul, how pride,
Speaker 3: how prideful Saul was, and which led which you know,
Speaker 3: the diminishing king. Uh, and pride is really what cost him.
Speaker 3: And that's that's a comp that I make that I
Speaker 3: try not to be. Yeah, and that because again David
Speaker 3: ends up following Saul. Yeah, you know the story. I
Speaker 3: don't have to tell you this story.
Speaker 1: Well, but like it's amazing because but all would say
Speaker 1: play the harp right because it eased him.
Speaker 2: And I try to I try to not be Saul. Right.
Speaker 3: I just read The Alchemist I have I can't remember it.
Speaker 3: I read it so long ago. I loved it. I
Speaker 3: loved it, and it was one of those books that
Speaker 3: everybody's always read and or read a long time ago,
Speaker 3: and I just never have. And I'm in a place
Speaker 3: now my life where I kind of don't know I'm
Speaker 3: in many ways, I am exactly where I want to be,
Speaker 3: but I've never been more lost. At the same time, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like this odd juxtaposition, like I know exactly who
Speaker 3: I am, but I also have no clue more than ever.
Speaker 3: And I was flipping through books cause I like to read.
Speaker 3: I just finished the fiction book and I'm usually not
Speaker 3: even a fiction reader, and I flipped like seven or eight,
Speaker 3: and for no reason, the Alchemist came up and I
Speaker 3: clicked it and read it and I read it like
Speaker 3: a day and a half. And not that I'm a
Speaker 3: pretty fast reader, but I was just so in. And
Speaker 3: it's about finding your personal legend, yes, yes, yes, and
Speaker 3: not really attached to any religion, right, because there are
Speaker 3: references to Christ all and all, but but they make
Speaker 3: sure to go this is not specifically related to religion, right,
Speaker 3: And in that, you know, there's a pride theme.
Speaker 2: And I thought about just.
Speaker 3: This story specifically, and you talking about that just kind
Speaker 3: of retriggered.
Speaker 2: Retriggered.
Speaker 3: That is, I try to not be Saw, like That's
Speaker 3: what I truly, you know, I try to not and
Speaker 3: not be Saw. David's David's an odd, remarkable, amazing story.
Speaker 3: It's all of those, It's all of it. It's the
Speaker 3: it's the triumph and the failure me. He failed as
Speaker 3: big as you can fail.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't think too many people have
Speaker 1: done worse than he's done, and yet somehow he had
Speaker 1: this heart after God too. And so it's very relatable,
Speaker 1: I think to anybody. I think that's why I'm so
Speaker 1: excited they were doing something like that. It's like that
Speaker 1: is so relatable to anyone. A lot of people's maybe
Speaker 1: people like, well, I'm never gonna be the king of anything,
Speaker 1: but that's just the power of his story and just like.
Speaker 2: You don't, he didn't have it altogether, you know.
Speaker 1: I think we look at these the especially a Bible characters,
Speaker 1: like there's these mythical creatures like they're these saints and wow, man,
Speaker 1: these just had so many flaws and yet to did
Speaker 1: incredible things as well.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run into something by it.
Speaker 3: We just talked about on a podcast last week, and
Speaker 3: I was talking about misunderstood finger quote villains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I bring up Judas.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Okay, we can get going on this and
Speaker 3: so and and I was talking to one of my
Speaker 3: friends who reads the Bible every day. Yeah, and to
Speaker 3: most people just to name Judas because of how it's
Speaker 3: referenced for the most part obviously is one who betrays
Speaker 3: He betrayed Christ, and how I has suggested on a
Speaker 3: microphone to my friend on second look, if Jesus is
Speaker 3: all knowing, which he is, that had to be put
Speaker 3: into place, Yeah, for all of it to happen, the crucifixion, So.
Speaker 2: Judas would not have been there to begin with.
Speaker 3: If it weren't for Jesus. Judas betrayed Jesus just as
Speaker 3: was predicted. Judas is seen as the betrayal.
Speaker 2: Very much so.
Speaker 3: But my presentation, I wouldn't even say argument, because we
Speaker 3: were just looking at characters fictional or nonfiction that we
Speaker 3: have a signed attack too. We did ben Atic Arnold
Speaker 3: and it was, but we spent a lot of time
Speaker 3: on Judas and I really feel like, oh, Judas kind
Speaker 3: of gets the raw end sometimes because I feel like
Speaker 3: he was selected to do just that, and without him
Speaker 3: doing just that, the Crucifixion, all of it, it would
Speaker 3: have happened.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: And so in conclusion of my mini ted talk, I said,
Speaker 3: I feel like we should give Judas a second look
Speaker 3: and maybe understand that Christ understood what needed to happen
Speaker 3: for what needed to happen to happen.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that theory.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's.
Speaker 2: Just go deep in. This was literally on the last
Speaker 2: podcast we did.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I just got to be a part of
Speaker 1: this movie called The Last Supper. And the reason I
Speaker 1: was interested in being a part of the movie and
Speaker 1: helping get the word out about this movie is because
Speaker 1: it took the different look the Last Supper. Obviously Jesus
Speaker 1: the central character, but really it's Peter and Judas. It's
Speaker 1: through the lens of Peter and Judas, both of whom
Speaker 1: you know, don't have a great part in this story
Speaker 1: of the Last Supper. Well with Judas. What I was
Speaker 1: so moved by is that I was is that moment
Speaker 1: in at the scene Okay, let me, let me just
Speaker 1: set the scene there in Jesus like, okay, let's have
Speaker 1: this passover meal. It's this it's it's passed over time,
Speaker 1: and let's have this meal and get get it all together,
Speaker 1: and just like they would normally do year after year
Speaker 1: after year, but this time it was different. And he
Speaker 1: began to wash their feet, and that's the famous where
Speaker 1: he starts washing Peter's feet. He's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Peter's like, what are you doing? He's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so you're I don't even I'm not even worthy to
Speaker 1: tell your sandals.
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: And she's like, this is I'm showing you, I'm serving you,
Speaker 1: and this is what I want you to do others
Speaker 1: and he washes Judas and he's and you're like and
Speaker 1: then there's and I was really struck by the movie.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I've been I've been
Speaker 1: a follower of Jesus. I've been a Christian most of
Speaker 1: my life since i was a kid, and I've studied
Speaker 1: and I've read the Bible and I've heard all the stories,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I saw it a brand new again because
Speaker 1: I saw this moment where Jesus changes the whole thing
Speaker 1: and he takes the bread as he normally would pass around,
Speaker 1: but this time he breaks it and he's like, this
Speaker 1: is my body.
Speaker 2: Actually I'm about to be broken for you in it.
Speaker 1: And you see the guys, you see these disciples, you
Speaker 1: see these brothers, these friends, they're just friends, right. We
Speaker 1: know him as the Saint Thomas and Saint Matthew and
Speaker 1: sat these were just these were normal guys and they're
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. And which is crazy is
Speaker 1: most of them I learned through this Most of them
Speaker 1: were teenagers or early twenties. So think about that, they're
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years old and this they're about to change
Speaker 1: the entire world. And Jesus like, he changes the whole thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm breaking this, and he starts handing the
Speaker 1: bread because this is actually my body. And they're just
Speaker 1: they're looking a each other like, whoa, this is different.
Speaker 1: This is not how this normal goes. And he takes
Speaker 1: the cup and he's like, and this is my blood.
Speaker 1: This was about to happen.
Speaker 2: And when you once you remember me when you do this.
Speaker 1: And yet he and he but he gives the bread
Speaker 1: and he's he gives it, and Judas and Peter are there,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I just saw it brand new because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Wow, this is the picture the forgiveness of
Speaker 1: God that all for me, for you, for everybodyho's listening
Speaker 1: to this. How powerful that even though Jesus knew what
Speaker 1: was coming, he knew that he was about to go
Speaker 1: to the cross, they did not understand. They were still
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out, like what was he talking about.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's all coming down to it's all about
Speaker 1: to happen. I'm about to be killed for the sins
Speaker 1: of the world. And yet he knew that one of them.
Speaker 1: He's looking at one of them, and you're going to
Speaker 1: deny me. You're about to I know you're going to
Speaker 1: go and say, even though you say you're gonna be
Speaker 1: with me till the end, you're about to say you don't.
Speaker 2: Even know who I am.
Speaker 1: When a little girl asks you, aren't you with him?
Speaker 1: And you're gonna say, no, I don't even know who
Speaker 1: that is. And then Judas, you're about to go for
Speaker 1: some money, turn me in, And that kind of what
Speaker 1: you're kind of getting at, that to me shows the
Speaker 1: side of the Gospel, of the good News, of this message.
Speaker 2: It puts it.
Speaker 1: In a in a powerful way of like, man, Jesus
Speaker 1: knew this, like you said, and yet he's he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this for you.
Speaker 2: You know I know what you're about to do. This
Speaker 2: is still for you.
Speaker 1: And that's man that And then when I saw I
Speaker 1: saw myself, I just saw myself in that in those guys.
Speaker 1: How much in me is is a man. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: Peter and I'm the bodyguard Jesus. I will no one's
Speaker 1: gonna take you. I will go with you to the end.
Speaker 1: And then I found myself through my actions, through my
Speaker 1: words denying him. I found myself betraying. I find myself
Speaker 1: in the same place. And so I think that's why
Speaker 1: that that picture is there, is to help people, to
Speaker 1: help me and to help us remember that this was this,
Speaker 1: This was for This is for those who were going
Speaker 1: to betray into into wrong Jesus, and yet it was
Speaker 1: for them and for the for the world, for all
Speaker 1: of us because we're all in that basket, none of us.
Speaker 1: It may look a little bit different, but we're all
Speaker 1: in that in that basket with those guys. And so
Speaker 1: that that's been such a a beautiful picture reminder to
Speaker 1: me this this kind of this Easter season, because of
Speaker 1: being a part of that movie and helping get that
Speaker 1: made and showing that picture to people again of just
Speaker 1: how that moment.
Speaker 3: So would you support my theory of since Jesus is
Speaker 3: all knowing and he knew that he was going to
Speaker 3: do it and that needed to happen, that he I
Speaker 3: don't think he should just be universally be the bad guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You don't have to agree, by the way, you can
Speaker 3: you can totally no, no, no, A year a moron, because
Speaker 3: I hear that.
Speaker 2: All day, all day, every day. That's all I hear
Speaker 2: all day, not I think, I mean, there's not.
Speaker 1: No, there's not a lot of people been named Judas
Speaker 1: since then, and.
Speaker 3: Exactly a couple of names that have died Judas ate off.
Speaker 3: There have been a few of these that we just
Speaker 3: don't do anymore. Yes, Judas bonesy No, none, none of that.
Speaker 3: Judas Bones is not happening. But yeah, there is. There's
Speaker 3: a reason for that. But yes, I mean it was.
Speaker 3: That was part of the plan and Judas was Yeah,
Speaker 3: Jesus part the plant. And so I will say this,
Speaker 3: and this is not to be over spiritual, but if
Speaker 3: we throw Judas away, we must well throw everybody else away.
Speaker 3: Exactly my point. That's what over spiritual. That's just talking
Speaker 3: about the topic we're talking about. Yeah, it's you know,
Speaker 3: because who any of us? Who?
Speaker 2: Who? Who has it?
Speaker 3: Toget who wouldn't Well, I see a bit again. I say,
Speaker 3: I try to be sold about. I want to be
Speaker 3: more David. But there's definitely Sall on me. There's definitely
Speaker 3: David in me. There's definitely Judas. We all it's it's this,
Speaker 3: we're all that For me, I'm just trying to push
Speaker 3: down the ones that the characteristics I don't like, and
Speaker 3: really trying to accentuate the ones that I do. Yes,
Speaker 3: you did no Greater Love for the Last Supper? Yes,
Speaker 3: And that you're in credits is a different song and
Speaker 3: you know it's no Gary Love is and in credits,
Speaker 3: so that is that's when it airs.
Speaker 2: Yes, how much of it? Do they run the whole song?
Speaker 2: And are you mad people walk out during your song? Exactly?
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is the only I just want to say, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: wait because as soon as starts trolling on, everybody's getting up.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, wait, wait, let's please listen to this song.
Speaker 2: Did they they run the wholesome? They run the all song? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And did they tell you write a song for it?
Speaker 2: Or did you have it?
Speaker 1: That's how I got involved with the movie. Obviously it
Speaker 1: started with music. They didn't come to me, Hey, we
Speaker 1: know you make.
Speaker 3: Great movies, because that's never happened. And the first started
Speaker 3: with music. And these guys, the producers and people putting
Speaker 3: this movie together, said you have any music for this,
Speaker 3: any song for this that could work. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: let me see the can I see this screening of it?
Speaker 3: That showed me kind of this the idea of what
Speaker 3: they had so far, and I was like, I really
Speaker 3: like this, Like would you like to be involved in
Speaker 3: a greater way? And I was like, I was like yeah,
Speaker 3: And I was like, I think I have a song.
Speaker 3: And so the crazy thing is I had just gone
Speaker 3: out to some valley, Idaho.
Speaker 1: Tyler Hubbard had asked me and a couple of songwriters
Speaker 1: he wanted to put together a little songwriting camp together
Speaker 1: out out there at Ernest Hemingway's house. Mattgic it's a
Speaker 1: part of that, right, yes, yeah, one of our buddies here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Matt and Corey Crowder and Magic.
Speaker 2: It's Tyler Hubbard.
Speaker 1: Hey, would you get wet to come out and we're
Speaker 1: gonna write at Ernest Hemingway's place.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, that'd be so cool.
Speaker 1: And it's this obviously it's historical landmark and you can
Speaker 1: use the basement and a lot of poets come and
Speaker 1: write poetry there, something and things. So we were writing
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, this is my chance to you know,
Speaker 1: write some country music, and that's be fun. I don't
Speaker 1: ever get in that lane hardly ever. And as soon
Speaker 1: as I get there, they're like, hey, we want to
Speaker 1: write a song with you. I write like in your World.
Speaker 1: I'm like okay. I was like okay, and they're like
Speaker 1: and Matt Jenkins said, you know, I've just been thinking
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: Line.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this verse no greater Love and
Speaker 1: John fifteen he just said, he said, no greater love
Speaker 1: than this, that a man laid down his life for
Speaker 1: his friends.
Speaker 2: This is in January. Okay.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm thinking, I just keep thinking about that verse,
Speaker 1: there's no greater love than a man laid down his
Speaker 1: life for his friends. And have you read Have you
Speaker 1: never a song like that? It's like, I don't.
Speaker 2: He said, what about that? So let's do it?
Speaker 1: And so we wrote this song, no Greater Love, and
Speaker 1: had this made this demo and it's really beautiful. I
Speaker 1: think it's a powerful, powerful lyric and the idea of
Speaker 1: trading the crown of Jesus, trading the kind of the
Speaker 1: crown of glory for crown of thorns and just this
Speaker 1: the sacrifice right. And a couple of weeks later, I
Speaker 1: get approached with this movie do you guys, have you
Speaker 1: have a song that could work with this? And I
Speaker 1: was like Wow, I think this I've played on this song.
Speaker 1: I was like, I got this demo. I haven't played
Speaker 1: for anybody. I just wrote this song with some friends.
Speaker 1: Let me play this demo, and.
Speaker 2: They're like, this is the song, this is perfect for this.
Speaker 1: So it was one of those moments where I feel
Speaker 1: like things were lined up and I was like, let's
Speaker 1: do it. So I got involved in not just a
Speaker 1: song for the movie, but just just helping shape a.
Speaker 2: Little bit more. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like your world's are you're expanding? Yes, oh
Speaker 3: so so fun. But the expansion is cool because it's
Speaker 3: you're getting involved in things by doing what you already do.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, but it's yes, other things. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just really cool to see the growth of like what
Speaker 3: you do and how it's incorporated into other projects.
Speaker 2: And it was natural for me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like a movie or a subject
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about. So it was really good,
Speaker 1: Like this worked for me because it's like, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: I would love to share more about this and help
Speaker 2: people see.
Speaker 3: The Good Friday Show was so good last year. The
Speaker 3: first time i'd been was it was awesome and uh,
Speaker 3: but you know, frankly speaking, I was like, I want
Speaker 3: to go. I think it's going to be good. I
Speaker 3: like Chris, so I hope it's good because if not,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be kind of awkward. If I'm like, I'm not going.
Speaker 2: To tell you it's not, I wouldn't be like, man,
Speaker 2: lackluster show. Huh.
Speaker 3: But it's always weird to watch your because I don't
Speaker 3: know you in that way, meaning I know what you do,
Speaker 3: I know your music.
Speaker 2: I've never been to a concert.
Speaker 3: I don't go to anybody's concerts anymore because either I'm
Speaker 3: on the road or I'm asleep.
Speaker 2: That's it. And so we go. We were very excited
Speaker 2: about it, and it was it was it was awesome.
Speaker 3: Thank you, yeah, and thank you You've done what I've found.
Speaker 3: If I'm remembering this correct, I think you said that
Speaker 3: night you were like, we're doing it again next year?
Speaker 2: And then I don't do you put tickets on sale?
Speaker 3: Right? Then this thing's sold out? So that back to
Speaker 3: the Gills. Is it sold out again? This year?
Speaker 2: Sold out? By I dinna bring my in laws though?
Speaker 2: Do you have do you have a couple of extra
Speaker 2: in case we decided to come?
Speaker 3: I know some people so we can get you, we
Speaker 3: can get you in.
Speaker 2: Where's the fun thing?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Is that we sold This is the earliest it's ever
Speaker 1: sold out this year and it's our ninth year. And
Speaker 1: what I love about it is I didn't market there's
Speaker 1: no marketing of anything. It just says good Friday in Nashville.
Speaker 1: There's no names on the poster. No one even knows
Speaker 1: who's going to play because I have it's surprises or
Speaker 1: but in the past I have said, hey, it's me
Speaker 1: and here's a few people, and then I have surprises.
Speaker 1: This year, I didn't even put anybody on there, and
Speaker 1: so that is really special to me that people just
Speaker 1: want to come. They know it's going to be a
Speaker 1: special night and they just want to be there. And
Speaker 1: it's filled up and it's going to be I can
Speaker 1: tell you it's going to be incredible.
Speaker 2: It's all.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the night of nights. If you're if
Speaker 1: you can, it's gonna be streamed. If you can't, if
Speaker 1: you're can't get to Nashville or not there. But it's
Speaker 1: it's a really beautiful night.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you a question about your job. Yes,
Speaker 3: we both love our jobs. Our jobs are a massive
Speaker 3: part of who we are. Hopefully they're not all of
Speaker 3: who we are, right But being so immersed in your work,
Speaker 3: how do you keep it fresh, especially something that is
Speaker 3: thousands of years old? How are you able to constantly
Speaker 3: keep it fresh? In the music side of things, Sure,
Speaker 3: anything creative, anything, because.
Speaker 2: You can go hymns.
Speaker 3: I mean we can walk through even Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: the eighties and nineties and when I started to from Carmen,
Speaker 3: I'd go to Carmen Show's or you do Jars.
Speaker 2: Of Klay Newsboys, all of that.
Speaker 3: Like, there has been Yeah Christian music and always yeah sonically,
Speaker 3: but the message is the same. So how do you
Speaker 3: make it different when it's kind of the message should
Speaker 3: remain somewhat the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. I mean I think it's
Speaker 1: just been something that I didn't first of all. And
Speaker 1: I mean this, I never chose this. I feel like
Speaker 1: it chose me. This is something that I feel called
Speaker 1: to since I was a kid, and it's a it's
Speaker 1: like a burning passion in me. I never thought it
Speaker 1: would be music. I thought it would be something to
Speaker 1: help people connect with God. I didn't know it would
Speaker 1: be music, but so that this, this, this whatever, this
Speaker 1: pool inside of me as is something that I didn't
Speaker 1: I don't have to keep trying to keep going.
Speaker 2: It's just it's always there, like angles on songs.
Speaker 3: Because even in country music, which is always evolving and
Speaker 3: changing and you have so much more to work with,
Speaker 3: it feels like than the message. Even these guys here,
Speaker 3: my friends are like, we keep writing the same song
Speaker 3: over and over again. We just got to find a
Speaker 3: slightly different way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're doing it on something that's been running over
Speaker 1: for thousands of years, thousands of years, and I just
Speaker 1: got which we can get into. I just got to
Speaker 1: be a part of a song that's literally eighteen hundred
Speaker 1: years old. It will be the earliest song ever ever
Speaker 1: found in our faith that we're just we're about to
Speaker 1: put out. It's a whole another, it's a documentary everything.
Speaker 1: It's insane. We can get to that.
Speaker 3: But this is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always trying to help people. Here's what I
Speaker 2: try to do for me. It's help.
Speaker 1: I've always said I want to help people see. If
Speaker 1: I can help people see and then they'll sing the
Speaker 1: more you see the more you sing. And what I
Speaker 1: mean by that is, if for me and my songs,
Speaker 1: if I can help give people a picture in their heart,
Speaker 1: in their mind of God's goodness, his grace, his mercy,
Speaker 1: his forgiveness, his glory, and write that in a way
Speaker 1: that helps people see, then.
Speaker 2: You can't help but praise. If I can help people.
Speaker 1: See it, and then then they'll they'll praise God. And
Speaker 1: for me, it's always been about I think the beautiful
Speaker 1: thing is is it's always been about the song for me,
Speaker 1: helping people connect with the song. It's not been about, Hey,
Speaker 1: I've got to build my brain, and to me, I've
Speaker 1: never tried to do that.
Speaker 2: I've just tried to help. I've tried to hopefully just
Speaker 2: the song is.
Speaker 1: The song is what this is the star, The song
Speaker 1: is what is connects with people and so it's it's
Speaker 1: it's just pushing for the best songs possible. And you know,
Speaker 1: just lately with this song Holy Forever, it's been another
Speaker 1: moment like I've had these moments along with this.
Speaker 2: It's almost almost.
Speaker 1: Thirty years now, man, thirty years of touring and traveling,
Speaker 1: and I've had these moments, these like these little marking
Speaker 1: moments of like these songs that I can just look
Speaker 1: and goues that was the kind of temple in that
Speaker 1: in that moment and this and to be this far
Speaker 1: along and have it and God give me a song
Speaker 1: like Holy Forever that's really connected around the world again.
Speaker 1: And it's been so it's been so special. And I
Speaker 1: can tell you when when we were when it was
Speaker 1: writing it, I was thinking, Okay, this feels like I
Speaker 1: always I never feel this, but when I felt, I
Speaker 1: sent a text to a friend of mine said, I
Speaker 1: feel like this song is going to be really really
Speaker 1: special in some way and I and it's been.
Speaker 2: It's been, It's been incredible.
Speaker 3: If I wrote songs like you, I would send every
Speaker 3: song to a different friend so I could always say
Speaker 3: I texted this song to a friend and knew it
Speaker 3: was going to be special, so I wouldn't be lying.
Speaker 3: I would just text different friends all one song. I'd
Speaker 3: be like, this song, you have it down, it's on record.
Speaker 3: I have said this song is a very special. Yeah, yeah, whenever,
Speaker 3: because I want to hear the story about this song
Speaker 3: that yeah. But to me, there wagon will which was
Speaker 3: I could Bob Dylan semi finished demo that existed randomly
Speaker 3: was never put out in the catch from old Crow
Speaker 3: finishes writing it, yes, and then wagon will becomes massive.
Speaker 2: They do it, then Darius does it.
Speaker 3: So that's a version of of a story that I
Speaker 3: think of when it's like an old song that isn't
Speaker 3: totally done is then finished and then is I want.
Speaker 2: Saya but just but relevant? Yes?
Speaker 3: Right, brought back to life? Yes, So give me your
Speaker 3: version of this that you're talking about. This song is
Speaker 3: six hundred years.
Speaker 2: Old, teen hundred years old. So I got to approach
Speaker 2: this this year.
Speaker 1: I mean this last fall with this guy from his
Speaker 1: name is Ben Fielding and he's he's a songwriting friend.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, I want to connect you with this
Speaker 1: with this friend of mine. He's this he's a brainiac.
Speaker 1: His name is John Dickinson and he's he's from Australia.
Speaker 1: And he said, I've got this song. I've got I
Speaker 1: want somebody to bring this song back. He goes, there
Speaker 1: was this piece of scrap paper that was found in Egypt,
Speaker 1: in this a town called oxy Reinos in Egypt, and
Speaker 1: he said, it's in a vault in Oxford. Now it's
Speaker 1: and it's just a little piece of scrap paper and
Speaker 1: it's the earliest known him. I just known song with
Speaker 1: musical notation, has musical notation on the notation makes no
Speaker 1: sense to us. I don't even understand what it is.
Speaker 1: But it's in that time and it's dated to the
Speaker 1: third century, so the two hundreds, and this is and
Speaker 1: it's a piece of a hymn and it's missing about
Speaker 1: they said, missing about ten to twelve words, but it's
Speaker 1: got like twenty five thirty words on it and they're
Speaker 1: beautiful and they're powerful. He said, we've translated, and it's translated,
Speaker 1: and here is the old melody. And I can't really
Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting melody. But the like, would you
Speaker 1: and Ben this other songwriter friend, would y'all be interested
Speaker 1: in maybe bringing this to life again and bringing this
Speaker 1: back and bringing this hymn? And he said, we're making
Speaker 1: a document documentary because there's so many things about this
Speaker 1: hymn they're special, and so we did, and so it
Speaker 1: releases in a week from now and it's called the
Speaker 1: First Hymn And the lyrics are beautiful.
Speaker 3: I think this week, Mike, right, because it's daring this Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it's out this Friday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or is it right now. I think it'll be
Speaker 2: out now.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's out now, it's out now, it's out now. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's out now.
Speaker 1: So the first hymn, and when you hear this, here's
Speaker 1: here's here's some I wish I could tell the backstory
Speaker 1: for everybody who listens this, but's here's a song. But
Speaker 1: here's why this is such a big deal is to
Speaker 1: think about these words that are being sung are not
Speaker 1: only I mean almost almost two thousand years old. This
Speaker 1: would have been the grandkids of the disciples, right, This
Speaker 1: had been that generation, and this is what they were singing.
Speaker 1: This was a time when those who that were spreading
Speaker 1: this message of Christianity would have been killed. They were
Speaker 1: trying to wipe Christianity out. This is under incredible persecution.
Speaker 1: So obviously it's anonymous. Did these guys who wrote this
Speaker 1: or make it or were singing this, did they even
Speaker 1: make it?
Speaker 2: Who knows? But would they ever.
Speaker 1: Dream that wherever they were in their little cave singing
Speaker 1: this song together or their little house together, that eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred years from now, that this would be on a
Speaker 1: thing called Spotify or Apple Music and people be starting
Speaker 1: to sing this in the church, be starting to sing
Speaker 1: this again. That's powerful to me. There's a couple of things.
Speaker 1: There's the last line of the hymn, says and to
Speaker 1: the you wrote or there's on there, that's on there,
Speaker 1: he says, to the only Giver of all good gifts,
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm in. And the guy the this historian
Speaker 1: who said why this was so important is in that
Speaker 1: day and time, pagan worship mostly to Zeus and other
Speaker 1: gods would to to worship them. To go into any
Speaker 1: kind of worship service, quote unquote, you would start with
Speaker 1: to the Giver of all good gifts. And that's how
Speaker 1: all the worship would start to the Giver of all
Speaker 1: good gifts, he says. And for this, for this little
Speaker 1: ragtag remnant of people to end their song with to
Speaker 1: the only Giver of all good gifts was quite a
Speaker 1: it was just such a pushback to society and culture.
Speaker 1: And it's it's powerful and I think that it's a
Speaker 1: it's just a powerful thing. And I and it's just
Speaker 1: so to be a part of that. And like you said,
Speaker 1: to what kind of music, what kind of songs have
Speaker 1: that kind of history? You know, I was thinking about this,
Speaker 1: just this long line of of of songs and music
Speaker 1: that we just try to keep carrying on throughout the ages.
Speaker 2: Is so special.
Speaker 1: One are the music notes look like because yeah, they
Speaker 1: look like they look a little bit like they almost
Speaker 1: look like Chinese characters or something like that.
Speaker 2: Not like the stick with the fat little moment, not
Speaker 2: like that, not like that.
Speaker 1: In the melody we have a you hear a girl
Speaker 1: singing this week, we brought in this Egyptian girl just
Speaker 1: to the hook. Is the is the ancient melody? And
Speaker 1: ah I mean, I mean the word I'm in. But
Speaker 1: they would sing it all together. Ah I mean, I mean, ah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and so we have this guitar line and
Speaker 1: she's singing that over and so again. Most people hear
Speaker 1: that will not have any context for it. But that
Speaker 1: is that literally, that melody was eighteen hundred years ago.
Speaker 1: When you finished that, did I don't know?
Speaker 2: What does that feel like? Because you're just kind of
Speaker 2: redid it? I mean I was.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of trembling because I was like,
Speaker 1: I just want to carry I want to carry this
Speaker 1: well out. I mean, I want to get it right.
Speaker 1: I want to do the very best I can. And
Speaker 1: with such a gift, such a song that you know,
Speaker 1: was meant a lot to those people and means a
Speaker 1: lot today.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I was. You just never know. I
Speaker 2: never know. Songs are look, this is going to be.
Speaker 3: This is it?
Speaker 1: You know, but especially something like this. She's like, this
Speaker 1: is the best I can do, and I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope it does a justice.
Speaker 3: So the first him you can listen to it, but
Speaker 3: also the it's on Wonder the platform, Wonder if you
Speaker 3: want to watch the documentary. What if we're going to
Speaker 3: throw this at you? What if they find an older song?
Speaker 3: And now this is now the second hymn?
Speaker 2: Have you thought about that?
Speaker 3: I definitely have, because all of a sudden I have,
Speaker 3: And so I went back ten times. It's like, should
Speaker 3: we really call this that person? Because obviously there's the psalms.
Speaker 3: The songs are older than that, sure, and.
Speaker 1: But this is the first ever, it is the first
Speaker 1: song ever found with musical notation, and it's to find
Speaker 1: they said, the chances of finding something would be who knows,
Speaker 1: hundreds of years from now, and so then I I
Speaker 1: won't have to deal with it something else, but they'll.
Speaker 2: Just be my luck.
Speaker 3: Though they find another one like a week after we're
Speaker 3: done it, and it's a week earlier. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: like the real first him and I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 3: this is from the fifties, yes, the year fifty. I
Speaker 3: feel like there would be an immense pressure on you
Speaker 3: to love Christmas, to love Christmas, not even for the
Speaker 3: Jesus element, just you just need to like embrace Christmas.
Speaker 3: And if you're not Chris Christmas, I mean your name
Speaker 3: is Chris and Christmas. Tomlin, Yeah, I feel like there's
Speaker 3: a pressure that you got to be mister Christmas just
Speaker 3: around the house. No, not definitely, not around the house,
Speaker 3: but like the biggest light displayed, like you gotta be.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that pressure? Hilarious? Love?
Speaker 3: I love how this goes. Where do we went from
Speaker 3: here to Christmas?
Speaker 2: Like that that quick?
Speaker 3: Well, I just think when you're talking about things, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, in my mind, I've got eight things one
Speaker 3: at once, Like and We've had the discussion where I
Speaker 3: think everybody X like like they have to be on
Speaker 3: their p's and q's around you because.
Speaker 2: You'll just literally call God and be like and tell
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 3: Like I told you that last time that people they
Speaker 3: probably act in a way towards you where they can't
Speaker 3: be themselves and I found myself the victim of that
Speaker 3: because we're having a party and I told Caitlin, I
Speaker 3: was like, hey, let's invite Chris.
Speaker 2: But we were doing like Casino night. I was like,
Speaker 2: I wish gonnavite.
Speaker 3: Chrismas you know, and then she goes, you're doing exactly
Speaker 3: what you would. You said, I loved thank you for
Speaker 3: your so yes, and so I'm okay. So yeah, Christmas.
Speaker 3: I love Christmas.
Speaker 1: I love it anyway, but yes I do. I'm not
Speaker 1: mister Christmas, but yeah, I've I love it. I love
Speaker 1: the music Christmas, I love I love everything about it,
Speaker 1: Like you have.
Speaker 2: To be the best present giver of all the nephew.
Speaker 3: I would just think that that would be the pressure
Speaker 3: I would put on myself because that's what you're out
Speaker 3: constantly singing the word. Yeah, and what's more the word
Speaker 3: than Christmas? And I'm on tour every Christmas. I do
Speaker 3: a Christmas tour every Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, the gifts would
Speaker 3: have to be a plus if I were known for Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Now I'm known for my vision, so that's a pretty
Speaker 3: easy one. Yeah, because I can just be like I'm blind,
Speaker 3: you know, so I don't really have anything that I
Speaker 3: have to do. But when do you When do you
Speaker 3: put up the Christmas tree at your house?
Speaker 2: The Christmas tree is right after Thanksgiving? Okay, so that's normal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's boring.
Speaker 3: We should change that you should do like when you
Speaker 3: text all your friends, this one is that you should do.
Speaker 2: July fifth, and you're like, you're like it, you know,
Speaker 2: follow me July fifth. So I feel like, guys, Christmas
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 5: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a really common thread between country
Speaker 3: music and Christian music. I used the word, I'll use
Speaker 3: the term very wide open Christian music. I feel it's
Speaker 3: a very common threat. I think country music is very
Speaker 3: much based and it's belief in God, and I think
Speaker 3: that's why so many artists, yeah, are drawn to you.
Speaker 3: And I think the project that you did with a
Speaker 3: lot of the country artists, I would imagine those were
Speaker 3: all pretty quick yess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really fun man, it was Yeah. It
Speaker 1: was something that I wasn't even trying to do. I
Speaker 1: think we talked about that, but I wasn't even trying
Speaker 1: to do it. It just it was just happened through
Speaker 1: just natural relationship and just a relationships started happening and
Speaker 1: started we should we should smash up our genres.
Speaker 2: It's all because it's come from this.
Speaker 1: Obviously, country music came from the church, and you got
Speaker 1: the rhymen, which is a church. You got the whole
Speaker 1: thing comes out of the church. Rock and roll camp,
Speaker 1: everything comes out of the church. You want to talk,
Speaker 1: if you want to get really going as far as
Speaker 1: art and everything like that, obviously that's where it all
Speaker 1: came from. It goes its other way, but yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so so close.
Speaker 2: We went to Austria. My wife and I did never
Speaker 2: been to Austria before, so we went to Austria and it.
Speaker 3: Is amazing, right, growing up, didn't go anywhere, right, so
Speaker 3: now it's like I'm just trying to go see stuff.
Speaker 2: And we go into a church that was two thousand
Speaker 2: years old whatever it was, I mean, it was almost there.
Speaker 3: That's when I feel history, That's when I feel like
Speaker 3: the gravity of existence. And I've been into a couple
Speaker 3: of churches like that, but we went into one in
Speaker 3: Austria that was like you like to fill your guts.
Speaker 3: Moved around a little bit because of everything that has
Speaker 3: happened underneath that roof. You ever go when you're traveling internationally,
Speaker 3: do you ever go look at some of these really
Speaker 3: old worship I'll just call them places a worship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let me kind of tell you about one, please,
Speaker 1: and it'll be you're like, well, duh, but no, I
Speaker 1: was in Israel and I got to go to the
Speaker 1: site of the cross. And now in Israel, if you've been,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't, I haven't,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna know. They build churches over everything.
Speaker 1: So it's not what you think in your mind, because
Speaker 1: they've made the the church came, the Catholic Church came
Speaker 1: and built just to memorialize it or church enshrine the place.
Speaker 2: Built these churches over these places.
Speaker 1: So you're going inside a church to see like where
Speaker 1: the cross was or the tomb into tomb, and you're
Speaker 1: one of these huge, huge.
Speaker 2: Churches and they're ancient, ancient, ancient.
Speaker 1: But at the side of the cross there was a
Speaker 1: place they have the stone where they where they say
Speaker 1: and that Jesus was laid when they took him off
Speaker 1: the cross. This is the stone where Joseph would have
Speaker 1: taken him off of arimathea, and they laid him down
Speaker 1: to dress the body. And you're talking about this is
Speaker 1: something I'll never forget because here's what I saw is
Speaker 1: I saw this was a normal day in the line
Speaker 1: of people that were lined up, I mean hundreds of
Speaker 1: people for hours. And I looked at our tour guide
Speaker 1: and I was like, is this suck this every day?
Speaker 1: And he said, obviously not now for the wars things
Speaker 1: like that. He goes, this was a few years ago.
Speaker 1: He said, it's every day. And when it was every
Speaker 1: kind of person, Bobby, it was like people, it was
Speaker 1: like beautiful African dress, it was Asian, it was it,
Speaker 1: it was poor, it was rich. It was like every
Speaker 1: kind of person you can think of and look and
Speaker 1: looks like lined up. And I watched and as everyone
Speaker 1: approached that stone, and I watched these ladies just kneel
Speaker 1: at that stone and just I mean, and and kiss
Speaker 1: that stone. And I thought, wow, it just it was
Speaker 1: a little picture of heaven for me. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is you know, sometimes we think heaven looks like
Speaker 1: America or something like that. Maybe it's like it looks
Speaker 1: nothing like that. This is this was the whole world.
Speaker 1: This was a Tuesday in the world, every kind of
Speaker 1: person's lined up, and He's like every day they line
Speaker 1: people in this line just to stand there and just
Speaker 1: to just to kiss the stone where Jesus was laid.
Speaker 1: And it was one of the you're talking about everything
Speaker 1: inside you moving. I just stood over to the side
Speaker 1: and just watched and just watched and just watch people
Speaker 1: in their active worship really just come and kneel there
Speaker 1: and just thank God and just you could tell people
Speaker 1: and they would just some people would pray. Some people
Speaker 1: would just have a moment and just stop and think
Speaker 1: and just pray. And you can tell their their their
Speaker 1: gratitude and their heart. And I was like, man, what
Speaker 1: a picture of what a beautiful picture of heaven. So
Speaker 1: when I when I get to travel, I try to
Speaker 1: go to these places and just so moved.
Speaker 3: Worship has gone through. We talked about this a bit,
Speaker 3: like stylistic changes over the past twenty years from when
Speaker 3: you started, which isn't because again it's not like you
Speaker 3: were seven doing this, No, you know, your origin is
Speaker 3: not that like it was a bit later. Yeah, Stylistically,
Speaker 3: what have you seen change in concert?
Speaker 2: Like live live?
Speaker 3: I don't just wanna say music because it's more of
Speaker 3: an experience. But with Christian music, what have you seen
Speaker 3: stylistically change in the past twenty years?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, so much. What's so much more popular
Speaker 1: I think across our country and it's so much. It
Speaker 1: continues to grow, which is awesome as far as the
Speaker 1: live experience and concert But I would say from when
Speaker 1: I started, it was a little simple songs of a
Speaker 1: chorus and that's what was like shaking the church. It's like, oh, mysh,
Speaker 1: these guys are these guys are radical. They're singing a
Speaker 1: with a guitar and don't bring the drums. It was
Speaker 1: it was it was still literally that still like don't
Speaker 1: don't bring the drums and uh, okay, we'll let the guitar.
Speaker 2: But that's that's pushing it.
Speaker 1: And now you know churches are filled with uh, just
Speaker 1: modern music and it's and that's that's how it's changed.
Speaker 1: But in a way, but I still feel people, I
Speaker 1: still I still see still, even even the younger generations,
Speaker 1: you still see people longing for the simplicity, longing for
Speaker 1: not all the lights and the sound and the everything,
Speaker 1: but but more of just what's real. I think, more
Speaker 1: than anything, more than anything now people are just learning
Speaker 1: what is what is real? Don't don't just put on
Speaker 1: a show, but what is what is really real? People
Speaker 1: are longing for what's real, and that's what That's what
Speaker 1: I try to hopefully get people in my concerts and
Speaker 1: and my other friends as well as show people what's real.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, I mean it's it's definitely progressed a lot, especially.
Speaker 2: In the church.
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Speaker 3: When you say what's real, what I think about is
Speaker 3: and I think you're referring to like authenticity, meaning you're
Speaker 3: not up. And I think in part of what I
Speaker 3: do as well, like if I'm up and I'm perfect
Speaker 3: and shiny, that's not real. And I can act like
Speaker 3: a better version of what I am, but that is
Speaker 3: not going to resonate. It may feel better to me
Speaker 3: to be like, look at me, life's great, got it
Speaker 3: all figured out, follow along and again for my ego,
Speaker 3: that might feel pretty good, but I also know that
Speaker 3: people are not going to connect with that. They're actually
Speaker 3: going to connect with me when it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: stuck at this, I struggle with this.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm good at this I and I when.
Speaker 3: You say that, that's what I hear, like, if you're
Speaker 3: able to share not just the glossy part of life
Speaker 3: or worship.
Speaker 1: Exactly, because no one that doesn't help anybody. And that's
Speaker 1: what I think when I say, people are looking longing
Speaker 1: for the truth, long for real. Don't just put on
Speaker 1: just don't don't gloss everything over and like, oh everything
Speaker 1: is good. You give your life to God and everything's roses.
Speaker 1: It's man, it's life is hard, life is unfair. Life
Speaker 1: is comes at everybody in such hard ways. And but
Speaker 1: what do you have in those moments? I heard somebody
Speaker 1: recently say, you know, when the storms come, it separates
Speaker 1: the players from the pretenders.
Speaker 2: And that's the truth in life.
Speaker 1: When the storms come, that separates everybody from those who
Speaker 1: are pretending and those who are really there, who are
Speaker 1: really like and and that is that hit me, you
Speaker 1: know that's then that's that's that's his oldest Jesus teachings.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You can build your house on the rock, you build
Speaker 1: your house in the sand, and the storms come, one's
Speaker 1: gonna stay, one's gonna crumble. And that's I think that's
Speaker 1: what people are looking for. And when I say real,
Speaker 1: that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: How long you been married? Fourteen years? What's what's what's
Speaker 2: what's the key? Yeah, the key is I'm sorry, well
Speaker 2: you forgive me. That is the key. I mean, that
Speaker 2: is the key.
Speaker 1: The key is just pretty is pride pushing pride down,
Speaker 1: pushing Saul, Yeah, pushing Saul away of like I you know,
Speaker 1: I deserve this or I rule this or whatever it's.
Speaker 1: It's that's the key I think is and I there's
Speaker 1: good days, and there's and there's days. I'm so blessed
Speaker 1: by Lauren because she's just so honest and so on me.
Speaker 2: It makes me better.
Speaker 3: And it's funny you lead with honest because my wife's
Speaker 3: and I'm ten years behind you. Is why I asked that,
Speaker 3: like in marriage, what we've married four four plus years?
Speaker 3: And yeah, my wife's honest. But sometimes that doesn't feel good,
Speaker 3: but it's greater, like it's it's needed. But she's like
Speaker 3: the first person that I trust to be honest with me.
Speaker 3: But sometimes it doesn't feel good. And the key for
Speaker 3: me so far has been when you said that, it
Speaker 3: resonated like crazy has been not to be so defensive.
Speaker 2: So quick, Yeah, so easy. I get so defensive me too,
Speaker 2: and to understand that do you know all that I'm doing?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 2: Do you know what's coming at me? Do you know
Speaker 2: all the things? I mean? Instantly? And then it's like
Speaker 2: that that does not work. That does not work, and.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 1: And can you catch yourself? And sometimes it takes me,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes. Sometimes it might take me a
Speaker 1: couple of days, like, Okay, what am I doing? I'm
Speaker 1: really in a bad place here in my pride and
Speaker 1: in my defensiveness. And yeah, my wife is smarter than
Speaker 1: I am, which sucks, It does sucks.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's awesome, but it's the same, right, It's
Speaker 3: like your strength is your greatest weakness, your way. But
Speaker 3: it's like she she's smarter than I am. She's funnier
Speaker 3: than I am. She's funnier than I am in a
Speaker 3: world where I'm celebrated for being funny. And what drives
Speaker 3: me insane is that she has no need or desire
Speaker 3: to monetize it none.
Speaker 2: She does not want to be published. I'm like, you're
Speaker 2: wasting this talent. Look at this god given talent you
Speaker 2: have and it's just sitting here. Yeah, No, and now
Speaker 2: you know that.
Speaker 3: But for her, I also can accept her honesty most
Speaker 3: of the time and what I'm creating, and I think
Speaker 3: that's been so valuable, but very hard, especially at first. Yes,
Speaker 3: so she would tell me a joke wasn't funny, I
Speaker 3: be like, will you write it? And the first time
Speaker 3: she did and we wrote it, I was humbled. I
Speaker 3: couldn't have been more humbled. Wow, oh yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: terrible it's a terrible day, but a great day. But
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, if you think it's I did
Speaker 3: the Opry and so I'm doing the opera. I played
Speaker 3: Operty fifteen times or so. But like one of the
Speaker 3: times I did the Opry, I'm up and I'm telling
Speaker 3: a joke and I came off, and I'm just ready
Speaker 3: to be celebrated. Wait, a great job, great job. Just
Speaker 3: the natural you walk off stage. Part of it is, hey,
Speaker 3: everybody tell me how got I did? Even if I
Speaker 3: don't consciously say that, that's just of course you come off. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the expectation, because that's what happens a lot of times.
Speaker 2: They're just like, oh, you did great. And we walk
Speaker 2: off and we get in the car, and she was like,
Speaker 2: I said, hey, how do you think I went? And
Speaker 2: she goes. I thought it was fine. She goes, but
Speaker 2: and she.
Speaker 3: Alluded to one part of the set. She was like,
Speaker 3: that was too low hanging fruit for you, And I said, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: I was shocked. I was like, ohh, I was like what.
Speaker 2: Yes, she was like, there was too low. You're better
Speaker 2: than that. You can do better than that.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you this is like seven minutes after I'm
Speaker 3: off stage. I'm in the car ready to be my wife,
Speaker 3: who I love more than he'd be, like, oh, the
Speaker 3: best year. I let what everything you do is delightful.
Speaker 3: And so she's like, yeah, it's that fruits tool you get.
Speaker 2: You got to do better.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, then you do it. And she's like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm not the one that's whatever. We get home and
Speaker 3: like twenty minutes later she'd rewritten and it was better
Speaker 3: and I use and I used it.
Speaker 2: Am I special? And that hurt and it hurt.
Speaker 3: But again that that was a very minor storm, like
Speaker 3: you're talking about the storms right, yes, like that was
Speaker 3: a that was a single cell organism storm, yes, but
Speaker 3: was much stronger after And it's.
Speaker 2: Made me better at realizing Ah I need that honesty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in many ways.
Speaker 3: And it's not just that like that's the funny version
Speaker 3: of it, but even in like I never grew up
Speaker 3: with a family, like I don't have I don't have family.
Speaker 3: You never have a family to have Christmas Eve with,
Speaker 3: Like her family bizarre foreign, not because they do anything weird.
Speaker 3: They're not naked or anything, but it's like I never
Speaker 3: did family together. Yeah, it's everybody being together. You're like
Speaker 3: watching a movie having waking all of it.
Speaker 2: And that was really difficult for me. And it's still
Speaker 2: foreign to me.
Speaker 3: But my wife, And the reason I ask about the
Speaker 3: wife is because I know and I just wonder how
Speaker 3: because we're similar, you're creating, you have to be constant.
Speaker 2: Yes, how your wife affects you in that situation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she makes me. What she has done is made
Speaker 1: me such a better present to people. I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's really affected the music as much, but it's
Speaker 1: just the way I am with people, the way I
Speaker 1: connect with people, the way I talk with people, the
Speaker 1: way I understand things.
Speaker 2: She's helped me so much that I did not before.
Speaker 1: And most of my friends who have been with me,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I've got bandmates, right, that have
Speaker 1: been with me long way longer I've been married. They've
Speaker 1: known me longer than and all of them would say,
Speaker 1: you're such a better person, saying you're such a better person.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's that's amazing, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: and and that's marriage. Marriage is it's, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: no one, no one says marriage is easy, but it
Speaker 1: is a refining refine. It's such a refining thing. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so grateful for her and for my
Speaker 1: girls and three daughters, and they're amazing.
Speaker 2: Worship under the Stars.
Speaker 3: You're doing you're doing the series, so a couple of
Speaker 3: days in July and then in October.
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's in New York Baltimore doing
Speaker 2: Red Rocks. That's cool.
Speaker 3: Yes, not that they're not all cool, but that's that's cool.
Speaker 3: That's in Central Park. It's my first time there too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's cool too.
Speaker 2: And they're all cool. That's my point. They're all cool.
Speaker 2: Red Rocks, the Red Rocks. That's difficol. So what what's
Speaker 2: what's happening here?
Speaker 1: Which, you know, I just sometimes the settings are just
Speaker 1: so beautiful when it comes especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: music everybod settings are make music so great. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to especially when worship music, when you have
Speaker 1: beautiful settings, like when you're playing I played Red Rocks
Speaker 1: several times and always say, if you cannot, if you
Speaker 1: cannot help people connect with God at Red Rocks, you've
Speaker 1: got serious. You don't need to be you need to
Speaker 1: go sell houses or something, because you don't need to
Speaker 1: be in music, right because you just it's already the
Speaker 1: setting is so incredible.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, we want to put.
Speaker 1: Together some nights of just beautiful settings, beautiful evenings, good
Speaker 1: beautiful places, and have these beautiful nights so call worship
Speaker 1: under the Stars.
Speaker 2: And maybe maybe it grows from here.
Speaker 3: But this is our first three and the Pier six
Speaker 3: and Baltimore was this beautiful thing out in the Harbor
Speaker 3: Central Park and then Red Rocks and it's gonna be
Speaker 3: it's gonna be awesome. I want to end with this,
Speaker 3: and I want to indulge myself with a story from me. First,
Speaker 3: like five or six years ago I decided, may may
Speaker 3: be longer than that now, maybe ten years ago, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I decid I'm not gonna curse anymore. You
Speaker 3: used to love cursing used to be mused to be
Speaker 3: really great at it Olympic sports. For the Olympic sport,
Speaker 3: that's something I was gonna meddle. Yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 3: meddal challenged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was good at it. And I thought I'm
Speaker 2: done cursing.
Speaker 3: And not for any sort of moral reason, but because
Speaker 3: I didn't want to have it as a crutch when creating.
Speaker 3: So if I'm writing jokes, radio show, I was writing books, yes,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be because it can be funny,
Speaker 3: it can also be a crutch that you use whenever
Speaker 3: you're not funny.
Speaker 2: And I wanted to challenge myself.
Speaker 3: So I really haven't sad a curse word in ten
Speaker 3: years or so, and so not as a celebration of myself.
Speaker 3: But then when people say a bad word around me,
Speaker 3: they'll be like, oh, I'm sorry. I start story because
Speaker 3: they know I don't curse, and I'm like, no, good
Speaker 3: Like I used to if people curse.
Speaker 2: Around you, I feel like they'd be like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: Chris really bothers me. It bothers me, It bothers the
Speaker 1: heck out of it. Yeah, when people say that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when they're like so apologetic. It doesn't bother me, and
Speaker 1: people curse.
Speaker 2: Let me say that.
Speaker 1: It bothers me when people think that for some reason
Speaker 1: because I do what I do again, that they that
Speaker 1: that feels weird. I'm just like, come on, man, we're
Speaker 1: that's normal. I feel the same way. May not say
Speaker 1: it the same way, right, feel the same way. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always It's always bugged me so much, and I
Speaker 1: always all, you like, come on.
Speaker 2: I always like, come on, bro, don't say that. Same
Speaker 2: like I am. I'm good. I've heard it before.
Speaker 3: Same, but I wonder up to have it. And I knew,
Speaker 3: Like you're playing golf and someone's like, ah, bleep, they're
Speaker 3: probably oh sorry, sorry, sorry sorry, Yeah, like you.
Speaker 2: Still play, you're playing, yes, and you're coming. I know
Speaker 2: I haven't played. I heard my shoulder bad last year,
Speaker 2: so I stopped playing. And then here's the problem, Chris,
Speaker 2: I'm being honest.
Speaker 3: I started playing pick a ball, and that you're just
Speaker 3: did you if you totally don't like fully on pickaball?
Speaker 3: You're one of those guys. Yeah, pretty much. I have
Speaker 3: a court right, just see it when you walked in
Speaker 3: and did Yeah. And here's the thing, Chris, I'm glad
Speaker 3: you asked. Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2: We need to talk about this.
Speaker 3: I'm really into pickleball, and I'm gonna tell you, but
Speaker 3: I love golf. But here's the problem with golf.
Speaker 1: No, let's I want to talk to the difference between
Speaker 1: tennis and pickleball.
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to. But here's the problem with golf.
Speaker 2: It takes too long. And I play golf. I used
Speaker 2: play golf all the time to him, but I don't
Speaker 2: have three.
Speaker 3: Or four hours because I'm so insecure that I feel
Speaker 3: like I have to work all the time just to
Speaker 3: prove to myself I'm worthy that I don't block out
Speaker 3: the hours to go play golf.
Speaker 1: But I can go pickleball in an hour and you
Speaker 1: get a workout and you feel better all the things.
Speaker 2: And I love but I love golf. And yes, and
Speaker 2: you've been so I'm I'm playing your golf tournam probably
Speaker 2: the only time money.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna kill somebody with the ball. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm in though, for the Lord. I'm in, Chris, I
Speaker 3: will hit someone with the ball for the Lord. So
Speaker 3: have you played pickleball at all? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do like pickle ball, but it's like it's all
Speaker 1: my tennis friends are like, it's so much better than tennis,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's not.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think it.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, here's one one of my best Everybody can
Speaker 1: play pickleball and everybody complaints this.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: One of my best friends in the whole world, groomsman
Speaker 3: Andy Roddick, former number one, just playing in the world.
Speaker 2: Pretty good.
Speaker 3: That's my guy, right, And so he makes fun of
Speaker 3: pickleballer's like crazy, like just really gives it to him,
Speaker 3: like that's yeah, you guys are laying and so he
Speaker 3: calls and he goes, hey, this is like a year
Speaker 3: and a half agod, maybe two years ago. He goes, hey,
Speaker 3: you're playing pickleball, right? So yeah, he said a little
Speaker 3: bit because Brett Eldridge, one of my best friends, had
Speaker 3: had the first court, like of our group, and so
Speaker 3: we'd all go to Brett's house and play all the time.
Speaker 3: And so I was like, yeah, I play, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe once a week, twice a week. And he says, uh,
Speaker 3: it's probably pretty easy, right. I'm like, well, you were
Speaker 3: number one in the world, like you won US Open.
Speaker 3: I feel like for you, it's gonna be pretty easy.
Speaker 3: He goes, okay, cool, I said, why you hate pickball?
Speaker 3: Because yeah, still hated. He goes, but I'm playing in
Speaker 3: a tournament like a week and a half for a
Speaker 3: million dollars. And I said, and you haven't played and
Speaker 3: you're playing wow, And he was like yeah, he guess
Speaker 3: it's on ESPN.
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, hit, get around. He
Speaker 2: hit a little bit. First. He goes, why am I'm
Speaker 2: gonna work out a few days before? And he won?
Speaker 2: He won? He won? Yeah, No, he won.
Speaker 5: He won.
Speaker 3: So does that tell you how good he is or
Speaker 3: how lame pickleball is that you don't have to play it.
Speaker 2: Can be BA win A Yeah. I think it's both.
Speaker 3: I think one how good he is because he started
Speaker 3: playing when we were running together hard because he'd be
Speaker 3: gone for eight months at a time because tennis is international,
Speaker 3: he's all around the world, hardly ever home, but he'd
Speaker 3: be home four months a year and we would hang
Speaker 3: out all the time. And so we play golf and
Speaker 3: we started playing around the same time, and I watched
Speaker 3: him go from shooting one oh six to like seventy
Speaker 3: seven and about three months because his hand eye coordination. Yes,
Speaker 3: and so pickleball he started playing it and got real good, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, he tores meniscus like the day before
Speaker 3: the tournament still won, still one, which is crazy. So
Speaker 3: there's a lameness to it when it comes to tennis.
Speaker 3: But I like pickleball because the floor is higher, meaning
Speaker 3: you don't me Moss can play, yes, but if you
Speaker 3: to be good, like I could probably wax you pretty
Speaker 3: good right now back there, But yeah.
Speaker 1: You could, yeah, because I understand because I get out
Speaker 1: and hit my friends who play and they kill me.
Speaker 1: And I understand there's a skill too, there's strategy, all
Speaker 1: the things.
Speaker 2: But it's better than tennis. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: And what about pickleball on TV? That's what I really
Speaker 1: can't get in.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you watch? It's difficult for me too, and
Speaker 3: I will be full disclosure. I own part of a
Speaker 3: major league pickleball team.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is This is so good?
Speaker 3: Is another podcast and it's difficult at times. I don't
Speaker 3: think they have mastered. It reminds me of like the
Speaker 3: sixties when they started shooting football from the top of
Speaker 3: the bleachers and they really didn't have the angles or
Speaker 3: know how to. It feels like that right now that
Speaker 3: they've tried to make it tennis, and it's not. It's
Speaker 3: a different game, different games, So I don't feel like
Speaker 3: they've captured the content in a way that reflects how
Speaker 3: fun the game is.
Speaker 2: Probably so I think that needs needs to progress.
Speaker 3: But I do think that pickleballs is is like I'm
Speaker 3: watching Wimbledon. Not everybody can play tennis. Honestly, they can't
Speaker 3: not air bake up by tennis, right. And also, tennis,
Speaker 3: to me was a rich person's game. We didn't the equipment.
Speaker 3: You could buy a paddle now for like thirty bucks,
Speaker 3: the little plastic ball, a smaller court.
Speaker 2: Yes it's lame, but it's my lame, so I will
Speaker 2: defend it. It's it's not lame.
Speaker 3: I like it. It's a great game. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: great game. But I'm just saying it's that.
Speaker 1: When when I saw them trying to do it on TV,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah it does this is this
Speaker 1: is hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like whiffle ball to baseball.
Speaker 3: It's kind of goofy. Yeah, but that doesn't mean it
Speaker 3: can't be fine competitive and you a little work out in,
Speaker 3: but it's better. I didn't like tennis. I never liked tennis.
Speaker 2: I loved it. Gosh, I loved it.
Speaker 3: I was never like an Andy Roddick. I always wanted
Speaker 3: to be. But you have a tennis Did you have
Speaker 3: tennis your high school?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we did.
Speaker 3: I never was exposed to us. I probably would have
Speaker 3: been pro. If I'm being honest, right, how would I not?
Speaker 2: Of no doubt? Look at you? Look at me now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it couldn't be any more pro. Okay, look you
Speaker 3: guys follow Chris on Instagram at Chris Tomlin.
Speaker 2: Oh you're too kind. So after your Heart is in
Speaker 2: House of David Yep.
Speaker 3: Okay, song The Last Supper, which you are an executive
Speaker 3: producer of, Yes and No Greater Love is in the
Speaker 3: credits that don't don't stop watching until the song finishes.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, once the movie ends, yes, so watch it, but
Speaker 3: then don't stop until the credits roll. That's right, okay,
Speaker 3: And then as of now you can watch the first time.
Speaker 3: The documentary is on the Wonder platform, and then the
Speaker 3: song as of now, because it is beyond April eleventh
Speaker 3: when this airs, it is on anywhere stream music.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: And the Good Friday. But you don't need to tell
Speaker 1: Good Friday to take it you're good. No, we're good,
Speaker 1: We're good. You don't have enough seats?
Speaker 2: Good Friday. Okay, that's good, and you're coming.
Speaker 1: We'll see which if your parent, if your bofe's parents come,
Speaker 1: we'll see.
Speaker 3: If they come, it's because they wanted to come to
Speaker 3: the show for you. If they don't come, it's because
Speaker 3: you didn't convince them. It wasn't enough of a flat
Speaker 3: strong and convinced them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah da.
Speaker 3: But either way, I will say I was genuinely moved,
Speaker 3: and I am jaded as all get out, and I
Speaker 3: was genuinely moved by the show.
Speaker 2: Well I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, I know we get around it
Speaker 3: in all seriousness, full sincerity, genuinely. Well, I hope I
Speaker 3: appreciate you saying it, and I hope you can come
Speaker 3: this year because be really special. The part I didn't like, though,
Speaker 3: if I can, Yeah, the honest part is partly didn't like.
Speaker 3: This is your wife speaking right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah yah yah.
Speaker 3: It's when we pulled down because you were so nice
Speaker 3: to give us a good parking I saw who all
Speaker 3: the special guests would surprises were by the parking spots
Speaker 3: with the names on it.
Speaker 2: Mmm. So yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's it's you know, rich rich person problems. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I saw like, oh Landy, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's no surprises now. I just saw everybody who's parking
Speaker 3: down there, and the parking Chris gave us. That's the
Speaker 3: part I didn't like, but you did. But the show
Speaker 3: was excellent. But next time, maybe I just blindfold myself
Speaker 3: and sit passenger and let my wife.
Speaker 2: Walk me in a bit. Idea, we're gonna put you out.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, let's not do that. I like
Speaker 2: exactly where we were. We had the best parking spot.
Speaker 2: I got parking where you will not know.
Speaker 3: No, no, no no. I don't want to take this
Speaker 3: the wrong way. I want the same parking at Chris Tomlin.
Speaker 3: You guys, go see Chris. It's an excellent show. And
Speaker 3: Chris could to see you. Man.
Speaker 2: That was awes Thank you man, it's good to be here.
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.