WEBVTT - Trusting the Fauci Crowd.  Josh Rogin Talks to A&G.  

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show, and let's let's send Dr facts.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to Well, now you're getting into something. If

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<v Speaker 1>the point that you are making is that the grant

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<v Speaker 1>that was funded as a sub award from Eco Health

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<v Speaker 1>to WUHAN created sauce Kovie too. That's where you are

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<v Speaker 1>getting let me finish. We don't know the lab, but

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<v Speaker 1>all the evidence is pointing that it came from the lab,

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<v Speaker 1>and there will be responsibility for those who funded the lab,

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<v Speaker 1>including yourself. I totally totally resent the law that you

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<v Speaker 1>are now propagating, Senator. So there's a lot of back

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth. Actually, Rand Paul, Senator Rand Paul and

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Fauci, you have gotten into it a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 1>and a few times it's been over masks and this

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<v Speaker 1>and that, and I and I thought, you know, Rand,

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<v Speaker 1>you might be going too far here or what. But

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<v Speaker 1>but but on the stuff of the doing the gain

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<v Speaker 1>of function research and what Fouccia knew and when he

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<v Speaker 1>knew it, I think Rand might be on the right

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<v Speaker 1>side of that. And one of the people I go

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<v Speaker 1>to on those kinds of things is Josh Rogan, and

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<v Speaker 1>he might be the go to guy out there in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of a journalist who's looked into the COVID and

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<v Speaker 1>where it came from, and China's rolling at Josh. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>So we opened with a clip of the back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth between Rand Paul and Dr Fauci last week. We've

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<v Speaker 1>still got the whole problem that the gravitational pull of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is equal to that of the sun. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, every conversation ends up me, Okay, Rand Paul's

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<v Speaker 1>a Trump guy. Fauci's and never Trump or so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on the side of and you know you choose based

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<v Speaker 1>on that. What I want to know is, are are

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<v Speaker 1>we funding this gain of function research? And shouldn't we

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<v Speaker 1>be doing this? I mean getting to the point that

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<v Speaker 1>this was a man made disaster. I think we keep

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<v Speaker 1>forgetting right. COVID is a man made disaster. We created

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<v Speaker 1>this damn thing. Yeah, I think, first of all, I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you the two things that you said are related,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I'm not an anti Foucci guy. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just a guy who wants to figure out how he

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<v Speaker 1>got into this mess, how we got how the pandemic started,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's crucial to prevent the next pandemic. If we

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<v Speaker 1>don't figure out how we get how this started, we

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<v Speaker 1>won't know what to do in our policy and our

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<v Speaker 1>politics to fix the system. So we know this never

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<v Speaker 1>happens again. And it's clear in that sort of Senate hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>but also in a record of what Anthony Fauci has

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<v Speaker 1>been saying and doing over the last year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half that he doesn't want an examination into our relationship

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<v Speaker 1>people Labs resisted edit in every step. He's been very consistent.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time he's asked about it. He deflects, well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not Gaina function research. Yeah, but that's not the point.

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<v Speaker 1>The point is that it was risky, and you knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was risky. And by the way he created that

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<v Speaker 1>definition of Gaina function research, it's like a loophole, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He defined it in such a way that you never

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<v Speaker 1>have to review any of the stuff that you're funding

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<v Speaker 1>in Muhan And that's exactly what happened. He built the loophole,

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<v Speaker 1>not just him and I Angient, Francis Collins and all

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<v Speaker 1>these guys who are invested in this industry. They've built

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<v Speaker 1>a loophole into it. Then nothing's gained. A function research

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't have to review anything. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic hits and willhan and everyone's like, oh wait

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<v Speaker 1>a second, maybe we should have reviewed this very risky research.

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<v Speaker 1>And what Faugie did was he not only sort of

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<v Speaker 1>played dumbo, I don't what are you talking about. Everything's

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<v Speaker 1>fine when he was asked on CNN, hey, do you

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<v Speaker 1>still think it's a good idea considering these Huhan labs

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<v Speaker 1>just told us to go score ourselves when the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>and we wanted to do the investigation, and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we have to do it because we have

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<v Speaker 1>to the battor in China. So he's got an agenda here,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to continue the research that he's in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of and to expand it actually sixfold, and to get

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<v Speaker 1>more US taxpayers to pay more US scientists like Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Fauci and his friends to do more work with these

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese labs. And all I'm saying is, before we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't we figure out if the labs sparked the pandemic? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say so, and uh and is it and

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<v Speaker 1>our human beings capable of doing this story research and

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<v Speaker 1>not letting it leak out because you've told us in

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<v Speaker 1>other interviews, uh that this is not uncommon this, this

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<v Speaker 1>has happened a number of times where where things leak out.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe it's just not something human beings can do

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<v Speaker 1>can do well. I want to clear one thing up

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<v Speaker 1>because he said they're invested, did you mean financially or

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<v Speaker 1>just um, you mean financially and their careers and so

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<v Speaker 1>what you have to understand is that in the world

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<v Speaker 1>of virus research is thet NE. Fauci is the head

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<v Speaker 1>of it. He's funding almost all of it in one

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<v Speaker 1>way or another hymn in the NIH. They are what

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<v Speaker 1>spending US taxpayer dollars to sponsor risky research all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world. And what the National security people are saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you saw it today, Menendez and Rubio and

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<v Speaker 1>Risch and warnered like these are not you know, fire

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<v Speaker 1>breathing maga. These are the heads of the Senate Farm

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<v Speaker 1>Relations and Senate Intel committees put out a letter today

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, we have to force China to let

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<v Speaker 1>us investigate these labs, and we have to review all

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<v Speaker 1>of our relationships with these labs. That's the point, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Faucie is resisting because you know, even if the

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<v Speaker 1>lab leak theory isn't true, what's clear is that they

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea what's going on in these labs that

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<v Speaker 1>they're funding, and how can we have a system we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're funding these labs doing risky research and then they

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<v Speaker 1>won't even know let us in the lab where you

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<v Speaker 1>literally can't walk into the lab when the pandemic hits

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<v Speaker 1>on their doorstep. That's a crazy system argue just about

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<v Speaker 1>the system works. He's saying that we should keep that

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<v Speaker 1>system and expand that system. And I say, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 1>before we expand the system and make empthys fast to

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<v Speaker 1>the head of that new system, maybe we should figure

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<v Speaker 1>out if it leaked out from the lab. Man. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope maybe you do. But I hope you realize how

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<v Speaker 1>important you are on this story, because I just I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there are enough people that understand it and

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<v Speaker 1>enough people that have the gramatas to get anybody's attention,

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<v Speaker 1>because you are you know, you're not a trumper um

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<v Speaker 1>by any means. If anybody reads your stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would hope that the other half of America would

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<v Speaker 1>listen to you and say, WHOA, let's slow down on this.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you think Fauci and his crowd just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They just don't think we're we're smart enough to understand

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing, and he's afraid we'll shut them down.

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<v Speaker 1>His message on CNN was trust me, don't worry, trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, We've always been safe, We'll continue to be safe.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna keep doing it. And in fact, if if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at his interview this weekend in the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times, he proposes expanding this research everything influenza H

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<v Speaker 1>one and when you name it, he wants to do

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<v Speaker 1>risky research all over the world, including in labs in China. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I do think that the narrative is changing

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<v Speaker 1>very very slowly, to be sure, not just because it

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<v Speaker 1>made because a lot of people who are like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a second, that's crazy, and maybe we need some

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<v Speaker 1>oversight of all these scientists because they're checking their own homework, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course they're all telling each other that

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<v Speaker 1>everything's fine, but look around the world, everything's not fine, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, the w h O was going to

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<v Speaker 1>try again, and the Chinese are gonna go tell them

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<v Speaker 1>to screw themselves, and we'll be back where we started

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<v Speaker 1>in another year. Unless somebody gets off the pot and

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<v Speaker 1>does something. Okay, and the Biden administration is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it unless they're pushed to do it. But

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<v Speaker 1>more and more people in Congress, and now more Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really a I gotta tell you, Jack, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big change. Like I was actually surprised when I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that today Menendez and Warner, they're you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna say that and and go sort of pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the administration to do more to investing in the origins

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<v Speaker 1>if they didn't really believe it, right, if they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really think that this was really important. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>there is a bipartisan opportunity here, and unfortunately that means

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<v Speaker 1>asking Anthony Founcy a bunch of uncomfortable questions that has

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<v Speaker 1>clearly been avoiding for over a year. Yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say so. Um. And then there was that story that

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<v Speaker 1>France the Chinese kicked the French out and France warned

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<v Speaker 1>us and saying, hey, they're they're they're not letting us

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<v Speaker 1>keep an eye on them anymore, and we don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they're being careful. And you know the fact that that

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<v Speaker 1>story is a couple of years old, but nobody mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that at the beginning of this pandemic, and somebody the

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<v Speaker 1>government knew that, you know, in April when I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the story breaking the news of the cables, the diplomatic

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<v Speaker 1>cables that reported back in ten that the Wuhan student

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<v Speaker 1>virology was had bad safety standards and that they were

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<v Speaker 1>doing risky coronavirus research on bats and how they could

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<v Speaker 1>become more infection with these humans. You know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>called every name in the book, right, And like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a Trump guy, I'm not a pro trunk,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not an a Trump guy. I just try to

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<v Speaker 1>call him like I see him. And you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>you have to realize is that the Chinese Communist Party

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<v Speaker 1>controls everything, and that our scientific collaboration is not between

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Fauci and those very nice Chinese scientists. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>the way it works over there. They have a different system.

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<v Speaker 1>Those Chinese scientists can't tell us the truth or they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get killed literally literally will be killed or worse.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we have to understand that dealing with the

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<v Speaker 1>totalitarian dictatorship means that they're going to take our engagement

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<v Speaker 1>and use it against us, literally weaponized against us at

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<v Speaker 1>every opportunity. And so that's why I think when Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Fauci has asked directly about that and he's like, well, nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no problem here. I think that's where a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people can see the disconnectants can see why we

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<v Speaker 1>can't have scientific collaboration that's actually a dual use military

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<v Speaker 1>technology that our adversary is going to use fill the

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<v Speaker 1>machine they're pointing at us, and that we're gonna pay

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<v Speaker 1>for that, we should still pay for it. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy? Yeah. Wow. Josh Rogan, global opinions columnists for

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post and from my money, the best person

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<v Speaker 1>out there on this stuff. So this columny you had recently,

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese China's vaccine profiteering at the u N is being

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<v Speaker 1>funded by US taxpayers. I was unaware of this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a really maddening. Can you explain that to people?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is really crazy, because you know the

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<v Speaker 1>United what China has done with its vaccines as they've

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<v Speaker 1>gone around the world, threatening, bullying, coercing countries, literally hanging

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<v Speaker 1>shots over their heads and and and forcing them to

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<v Speaker 1>choose between the Chinese Communist Party's politics of the own

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<v Speaker 1>citizens lives. That's how China is using its power and

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<v Speaker 1>its influenced You know, now we see what paging wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a world in a world power. But

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<v Speaker 1>the worst part of it is that the international systems

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<v Speaker 1>were distributing to vaccines to poor people, which is, we're

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<v Speaker 1>the majority funder of which we're donating the most too,

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<v Speaker 1>decided to use all of that money to buy these

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese vaccines from the government owned Chinese company at a markup.

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<v Speaker 1>And essentially what that means is that US taxpayers are

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<v Speaker 1>giving the Chinese government money to send vaccines that don't work,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, to poor countries. And sort of pointing

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<v Speaker 1>that out was seen to be somehow controversial. But all

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<v Speaker 1>I did was follow the money we paid Kovacs, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the international system may pay the Chinese state owned

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<v Speaker 1>company by the way, the vaccines don't even work, So

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<v Speaker 1>that seems crazy to mean we shouldn't be doing that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit from your article. A senior US

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<v Speaker 1>official told you that it's not actually the US donated money. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but as you write, that claim is specious because money

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<v Speaker 1>is fungible. Kind of an argument is that dividing the

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<v Speaker 1>counts on paper is meaningless. The United States is funding Kovacs,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kovacs is paying China, you know, And yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of crazy to say that we give them two

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars and that's not the two billion dollars they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to use to pay the Chinese. It doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>any sense. It doesn't pass the last test. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know what's what's even more crazy is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration they have an ability to influence these

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<v Speaker 1>multilateral organizations. That's why Trump pulled us out because all

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<v Speaker 1>these multilateral organizations kept doing the wrong things, doing the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that China wanted them to do. And the Biden

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<v Speaker 1>team is like, oh no, these organizations could be useful

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they can, but not if you just

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<v Speaker 1>let them continue to do the wrong thing. So my words,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bid administrations like, hey, guys, why don't you get

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<v Speaker 1>on this and you know, tell Kovacs to not spend

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<v Speaker 1>Americans money on crappy each Chinese vaccinees. I just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make the problem worse because they give people people of

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<v Speaker 1>false sense of security, they go out and spread the virus. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually we're actually spending money to pay China and

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<v Speaker 1>makes the situation worse. And what Biden people say. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, yeah, well, I guess it's too late,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Um, we're talking with Josh Rogan. I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate your time today. Man, he's a good read anytime

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<v Speaker 1>he writes about any of this stuff. Really, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the best out there. And man, stay on that because

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<v Speaker 1>the world needs to know what's going on. And you're you're, you're,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in their jock straps. Thank thank god, Josh Rogan,

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<v Speaker 1>Global Opinions columnists of the Washington Post, Thanks for your

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<v Speaker 1>time today. So a little more on this this So

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<v Speaker 1>it's called COVACS. That's the w h O S. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've gotta get vaccines. We've gotta get shots out to

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<v Speaker 1>people all around the world. And UH, to give you

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<v Speaker 1>an uh, we're the good guys in this story by far,

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<v Speaker 1>and China is the bad guys in the world. Needs

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<v Speaker 1>to know this because we're locked in a war with

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<v Speaker 1>China for you know which which one of these polls

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna be pulled toward the United States or China?

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<v Speaker 1>The two super hours in the world. China has contributed

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<v Speaker 1>zero money to the Tough the World Project to try

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<v Speaker 1>to get vaccines to people. Zero money and zero shots

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<v Speaker 1>from their national stockpile of their vaccine, while the United

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<v Speaker 1>States has pledged four billion dollars and distributed fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>million donated shots and promised to donate five million more

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<v Speaker 1>no charge. So the US taxpayer by far the good

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<v Speaker 1>guy the superhero in this story, and China the evil villain.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think enough people know this, And the

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<v Speaker 1>Biden administration, by the way, could do a hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a better job of making sure the world does know

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<v Speaker 1>where the good guy on this and China is the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy, because we gotta win this war of of

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<v Speaker 1>convincing people