1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show, and let's let's send Dr facts. 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: I have to Well, now you're getting into something. If 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: the point that you are making is that the grant 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: that was funded as a sub award from Eco Health 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: to WUHAN created sauce Kovie too. That's where you are 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: getting let me finish. We don't know the lab, but 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: all the evidence is pointing that it came from the lab, 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: and there will be responsibility for those who funded the lab, 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: including yourself. I totally totally resent the law that you 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: are now propagating, Senator. So there's a lot of back 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: back and forth. Actually, Rand Paul, Senator Rand Paul and 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: Dr Fauci, you have gotten into it a couple of times, 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: and a few times it's been over masks and this 14 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: and that, and I and I thought, you know, Rand, 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: you might be going too far here or what. But 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: but but on the stuff of the doing the gain 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: of function research and what Fouccia knew and when he 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: knew it, I think Rand might be on the right 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: side of that. And one of the people I go 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: to on those kinds of things is Josh Rogan, and 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: he might be the go to guy out there in 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: terms of a journalist who's looked into the COVID and 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: where it came from, and China's rolling at Josh. Welcome 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: back to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Thanks for coming on. 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: So we opened with a clip of the back and 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: forth between Rand Paul and Dr Fauci last week. We've 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: still got the whole problem that the gravitational pull of 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is equal to that of the sun. And 29 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, every conversation ends up me, Okay, Rand Paul's 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: a Trump guy. Fauci's and never Trump or so I'm 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: on the side of and you know you choose based 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: on that. What I want to know is, are are 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: we funding this gain of function research? And shouldn't we 34 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: be doing this? I mean getting to the point that 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: this was a man made disaster. I think we keep 36 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: forgetting right. COVID is a man made disaster. We created 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: this damn thing. Yeah, I think, first of all, I 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: agree with you the two things that you said are related, 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not an anti Foucci guy. I'm 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: just a guy who wants to figure out how he 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: got into this mess, how we got how the pandemic started, 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: because it's crucial to prevent the next pandemic. If we 43 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: don't figure out how we get how this started, we 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: won't know what to do in our policy and our 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: politics to fix the system. So we know this never 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: happens again. And it's clear in that sort of Senate hearing, 47 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: but also in a record of what Anthony Fauci has 48 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: been saying and doing over the last year and a 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: half that he doesn't want an examination into our relationship 50 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: people Labs resisted edit in every step. He's been very consistent. 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: Every time he's asked about it. He deflects, well, it's 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: not Gaina function research. Yeah, but that's not the point. 53 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: The point is that it was risky, and you knew 54 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: it was risky. And by the way he created that 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: definition of Gaina function research, it's like a loophole, right. 56 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: He defined it in such a way that you never 57 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: have to review any of the stuff that you're funding 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: in Muhan And that's exactly what happened. He built the loophole, 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: not just him and I Angient, Francis Collins and all 60 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: these guys who are invested in this industry. They've built 61 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: a loophole into it. Then nothing's gained. A function research 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: so we don't have to review anything. And then when 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: the pandemic hits and willhan and everyone's like, oh wait 64 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: a second, maybe we should have reviewed this very risky research. 65 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: And what Faugie did was he not only sort of 66 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: played dumbo, I don't what are you talking about. Everything's 67 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: fine when he was asked on CNN, hey, do you 68 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: still think it's a good idea considering these Huhan labs 69 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: just told us to go score ourselves when the pandemic 70 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: and we wanted to do the investigation, and he said, well, 71 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: I guess we have to do it because we have 72 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: to the battor in China. So he's got an agenda here, 73 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: which is to continue the research that he's in charge 74 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: of and to expand it actually sixfold, and to get 75 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: more US taxpayers to pay more US scientists like Anthony 76 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: Fauci and his friends to do more work with these 77 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Chinese labs. And all I'm saying is, before we do that, 78 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't we figure out if the labs sparked the pandemic? Yeah? 79 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: I would say so, and uh and is it and 80 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: our human beings capable of doing this story research and 81 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: not letting it leak out because you've told us in 82 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: other interviews, uh that this is not uncommon this, this 83 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: has happened a number of times where where things leak out. 84 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: So maybe it's just not something human beings can do 85 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: can do well. I want to clear one thing up 86 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: because he said they're invested, did you mean financially or 87 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: just um, you mean financially and their careers and so 88 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: what you have to understand is that in the world 89 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: of virus research is thet NE. Fauci is the head 90 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: of it. He's funding almost all of it in one 91 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: way or another hymn in the NIH. They are what 92 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: spending US taxpayer dollars to sponsor risky research all over 93 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: the world. And what the National security people are saying. 94 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: And if you saw it today, Menendez and Rubio and 95 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: Risch and warnered like these are not you know, fire 96 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: breathing maga. These are the heads of the Senate Farm 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: Relations and Senate Intel committees put out a letter today 98 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: and they said, we have to force China to let 99 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: us investigate these labs, and we have to review all 100 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: of our relationships with these labs. That's the point, that's 101 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: what Faucie is resisting because you know, even if the 102 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: lab leak theory isn't true, what's clear is that they 103 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on in these labs that 104 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: they're funding, and how can we have a system we're 105 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: we're funding these labs doing risky research and then they 106 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: won't even know let us in the lab where you 107 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: literally can't walk into the lab when the pandemic hits 108 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: on their doorstep. That's a crazy system argue just about 109 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: the system works. He's saying that we should keep that 110 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: system and expand that system. And I say, wait a second, 111 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: before we expand the system and make empthys fast to 112 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 1: the head of that new system, maybe we should figure 113 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: out if it leaked out from the lab. Man. I 114 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: hope maybe you do. But I hope you realize how 115 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: important you are on this story, because I just I 116 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: don't think there are enough people that understand it and 117 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: enough people that have the gramatas to get anybody's attention, 118 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: because you are you know, you're not a trumper um 119 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: by any means. If anybody reads your stuff, you know, 120 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: I would hope that the other half of America would 121 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: listen to you and say, WHOA, let's slow down on this. 122 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: So do you think Fauci and his crowd just don't. 123 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: They just don't think we're we're smart enough to understand 124 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: what they're doing, and he's afraid we'll shut them down. 125 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: His message on CNN was trust me, don't worry, trust me, 126 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: he said, We've always been safe, We'll continue to be safe. 127 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna keep doing it. And in fact, if if 128 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: you look at his interview this weekend in the New 129 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: York Times, he proposes expanding this research everything influenza H 130 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: one and when you name it, he wants to do 131 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,559 Speaker 1: risky research all over the world, including in labs in China. Now, 132 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: I think, I do think that the narrative is changing 133 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: very very slowly, to be sure, not just because it 134 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: made because a lot of people who are like, hey, 135 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: wait a second, that's crazy, and maybe we need some 136 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: oversight of all these scientists because they're checking their own homework, right, 137 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: And then of course they're all telling each other that 138 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: everything's fine, but look around the world, everything's not fine, okay, 139 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: And you know, the w h O was going to 140 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: try again, and the Chinese are gonna go tell them 141 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: to screw themselves, and we'll be back where we started 142 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: in another year. Unless somebody gets off the pot and 143 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: does something. Okay, and the Biden administration is not going 144 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: to do it unless they're pushed to do it. But 145 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: more and more people in Congress, and now more Democrats, 146 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: which is really a I gotta tell you, Jack, it's 147 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: a big change. Like I was actually surprised when I 148 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: saw that today Menendez and Warner, they're you know, they're 149 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: not gonna say that and and go sort of pushing 150 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: the administration to do more to investing in the origins 151 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: if they didn't really believe it, right, if they didn't 152 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: really think that this was really important. So I think 153 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: there is a bipartisan opportunity here, and unfortunately that means 154 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: asking Anthony Founcy a bunch of uncomfortable questions that has 155 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: clearly been avoiding for over a year. Yeah, I would 156 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: say so. Um. And then there was that story that 157 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: France the Chinese kicked the French out and France warned 158 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: us and saying, hey, they're they're they're not letting us 159 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: keep an eye on them anymore, and we don't think 160 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: they're being careful. And you know the fact that that 161 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: story is a couple of years old, but nobody mentioned 162 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: that at the beginning of this pandemic, and somebody the 163 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 1: government knew that, you know, in April when I wrote 164 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: the story breaking the news of the cables, the diplomatic 165 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: cables that reported back in ten that the Wuhan student 166 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: virology was had bad safety standards and that they were 167 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: doing risky coronavirus research on bats and how they could 168 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: become more infection with these humans. You know, I was 169 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: called every name in the book, right, And like you said, 170 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm not a Trump guy, I'm not a pro trunk, 171 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm not an a Trump guy. I just try to 172 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: call him like I see him. And you know, what 173 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: you have to realize is that the Chinese Communist Party 174 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: controls everything, and that our scientific collaboration is not between 175 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci and those very nice Chinese scientists. That's not 176 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: the way it works over there. They have a different system. 177 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: Those Chinese scientists can't tell us the truth or they're 178 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: gonna get killed literally literally will be killed or worse. 179 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: And so we have to understand that dealing with the 180 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: totalitarian dictatorship means that they're going to take our engagement 181 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: and use it against us, literally weaponized against us at 182 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: every opportunity. And so that's why I think when Anthony 183 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: Fauci has asked directly about that and he's like, well, nothing, 184 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: there's no problem here. I think that's where a lot 185 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: of people can see the disconnectants can see why we 186 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: can't have scientific collaboration that's actually a dual use military 187 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: technology that our adversary is going to use fill the 188 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: machine they're pointing at us, and that we're gonna pay 189 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: for that, we should still pay for it. You know 190 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: that's crazy? Yeah. Wow. Josh Rogan, global opinions columnists for 191 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: the Washington Post and from my money, the best person 192 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: out there on this stuff. So this columny you had recently, 193 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: Chinese China's vaccine profiteering at the u N is being 194 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: funded by US taxpayers. I was unaware of this. This 195 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: is a really maddening. Can you explain that to people? 196 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: You know, this is really crazy, because you know the 197 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: United what China has done with its vaccines as they've 198 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: gone around the world, threatening, bullying, coercing countries, literally hanging 199 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: shots over their heads and and and forcing them to 200 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: choose between the Chinese Communist Party's politics of the own 201 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: citizens lives. That's how China is using its power and 202 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: its influenced You know, now we see what paging wants 203 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: to be in a world in a world power. But 204 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: the worst part of it is that the international systems 205 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: were distributing to vaccines to poor people, which is, we're 206 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: the majority funder of which we're donating the most too, 207 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: decided to use all of that money to buy these 208 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: Chinese vaccines from the government owned Chinese company at a markup. 209 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: And essentially what that means is that US taxpayers are 210 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: giving the Chinese government money to send vaccines that don't work, 211 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: by the way, to poor countries. And sort of pointing 212 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: that out was seen to be somehow controversial. But all 213 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: I did was follow the money we paid Kovacs, which 214 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: is the international system may pay the Chinese state owned 215 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: company by the way, the vaccines don't even work, So 216 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: that seems crazy to mean we shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, 217 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: just a little bit from your article. A senior US 218 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: official told you that it's not actually the US donated money. Um, 219 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: but as you write, that claim is specious because money 220 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: is fungible. Kind of an argument is that dividing the 221 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: counts on paper is meaningless. The United States is funding Kovacs, 222 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: and Kovacs is paying China, you know, And yeah, it's 223 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: kind of crazy to say that we give them two 224 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: billion dollars and that's not the two billion dollars they're 225 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: going to use to pay the Chinese. It doesn't make 226 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: any sense. It doesn't pass the last test. But you 227 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: know what's what's even more crazy is that, you know, 228 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: the Biden administration they have an ability to influence these 229 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: multilateral organizations. That's why Trump pulled us out because all 230 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: these multilateral organizations kept doing the wrong things, doing the 231 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: thing that China wanted them to do. And the Biden 232 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: team is like, oh no, these organizations could be useful 233 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: and I think they can, but not if you just 234 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: let them continue to do the wrong thing. So my words, 235 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: the Bid administrations like, hey, guys, why don't you get 236 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: on this and you know, tell Kovacs to not spend 237 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: Americans money on crappy each Chinese vaccinees. I just gonna 238 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: make the problem worse because they give people people of 239 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: false sense of security, they go out and spread the virus. Right, 240 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: it's actually we're actually spending money to pay China and 241 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: makes the situation worse. And what Biden people say. It 242 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, well, I guess it's too late, 243 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: you know. Um, we're talking with Josh Rogan. I really 244 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: appreciate your time today. Man, he's a good read anytime 245 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: he writes about any of this stuff. Really, I think 246 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: the best out there. And man, stay on that because 247 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: the world needs to know what's going on. And you're you're, you're, 248 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: you're in their jock straps. Thank thank god, Josh Rogan, 249 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: Global Opinions columnists of the Washington Post, Thanks for your 250 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: time today. So a little more on this this So 251 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: it's called COVACS. That's the w h O S. You know, 252 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 1: we've gotta get vaccines. We've gotta get shots out to 253 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: people all around the world. And UH, to give you 254 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: an uh, we're the good guys in this story by far, 255 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: and China is the bad guys in the world. Needs 256 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: to know this because we're locked in a war with 257 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: China for you know which which one of these polls 258 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: are you gonna be pulled toward the United States or China? 259 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: The two super hours in the world. China has contributed 260 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: zero money to the Tough the World Project to try 261 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: to get vaccines to people. Zero money and zero shots 262 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: from their national stockpile of their vaccine, while the United 263 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: States has pledged four billion dollars and distributed fifty five 264 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: million donated shots and promised to donate five million more 265 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: no charge. So the US taxpayer by far the good 266 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: guy the superhero in this story, and China the evil villain. 267 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: And I don't think enough people know this, And the 268 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Biden administration, by the way, could do a hell of 269 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: a better job of making sure the world does know 270 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: where the good guy on this and China is the 271 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: bad guy, because we gotta win this war of of 272 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: convincing people