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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace shocker.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're sitting down. You may need to lay

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Speaker 2: down for this one. Sean Diddy Come's prison release date

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Speaker 2: has been jumped up several weeks, which means he's getting

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Speaker 2: out even earlier. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. That's right,

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Speaker 2: Sean diddy comes prison release has been moved up. The

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Speaker 2: music star was found guilty on two counts transportation to

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Speaker 2: engage in gen prostitution, is now set to be freed earlier.

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Speaker 3: Combs projected prison release date has been changed four times.

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Speaker 3: His initial projective release date was June four, twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: Then it was changed to April twenty fifth, twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 3: then moved up ten days to April fifteenth, twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: Now his projected release date is February twenty third, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: That's no time, are you kidding? Wait, let's take a

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Speaker 2: refresher course on the facts proving Shawn Comb's guilty.

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Speaker 4: After a split verdict where Shawn Combs is acquitted of RICO,

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Speaker 4: two other accounts come into play. Shawn Comb's convicted on

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Speaker 4: two felony counts. There was a massive argument via paper

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Speaker 4: to keep Shawn Combs behind bars, the defense fighting tooth

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Speaker 4: and nail to let him out on appeal bond, which

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Speaker 4: means you get out while your conviction is being appealed.

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Speaker 4: Joining me right now Tisa Tales. You can find her

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Speaker 4: on YouTube at Tisa Tales. Tisa start at the beginning,

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Speaker 4: Start with the verdict, the split.

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Speaker 5: What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on

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Speaker 5: pins and needles.

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Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 5: Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guilty on

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Speaker 5: at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone

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Speaker 5: they walked in and when they said please read, and

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Speaker 5: they said, what do you.

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Speaker 6: Find ye on count one?

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Speaker 5: Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in

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Speaker 5: the courtroom.

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Speaker 6: The public audibly gassed.

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Speaker 5: Nobody was expecting that. There were tears of joy from

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Speaker 5: Ditty's side. Count two, what say ye not guilty?

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Speaker 6: Again?

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Speaker 5: Another bombshell went off. People were in utter disbelief. Any

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Speaker 5: even Didty's most ardent supporters did not expect him to

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Speaker 5: get off on the count of sex trafficking with Cassie.

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Speaker 5: Count three, when they said guilty for transportation of a prostitute.

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Speaker 5: When they said guilty for the manna, that is when

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Speaker 5: Didy's team actually cheered, Yeah, that's all right, okay, okay,

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Speaker 5: come on, almost like you were watching a pro football game.

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Speaker 5: When the other ones came in after that, there were

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Speaker 6: It was unbelievable. People were looking at the jury, searching and.

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Speaker 5: To how they can get a verdict in this day

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Speaker 5: and age. They heard Cassie's mother, the twenty thousand, they

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Speaker 5: heard Capricorn Clark, they heard.

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Speaker 6: About the savage beatings, and.

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Speaker 5: It was unbelievable that the only thing they said was prostitution.

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Speaker 5: And that is because Daniel Phillips in his testimony actually said,

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Speaker 5: at least I'm guessing that it was because that he

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Speaker 5: got paid to have sex for money. It was a travesty.

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Speaker 5: It was an all out circus. Everybody, including myself, are

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Speaker 5: running to safety.

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Speaker 4: I got a question for your Teas of Tales, and

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Speaker 4: everyone's going to want to know this. You had to

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Speaker 4: leave the courthouse.

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Speaker 5: Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters

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Speaker 5: were out of control.

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Speaker 6: The first time I ran and dipped my live.

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Speaker 5: Of course, I had two armed security guys. Everyone told

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Speaker 5: me the people in the courthouse is like, make sure

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of weird stuff going on.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't just me, but I'll tell you what I experienced.

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Speaker 5: Didy supporter is surrounding me, threatening me, saying that they

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Speaker 6: It was a serious situation.

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Speaker 5: It got so bad and there was so much chalos

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Speaker 5: of chaos and violence that they actually had to lock

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Speaker 6: It was something.

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Speaker 5: Myself, the news media, mainstream media, new media have never

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Speaker 5: seen in their lives the level.

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Speaker 6: And again, the jurors, I hope to god they know.

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Speaker 5: How to sleep at night, because again I'm sure they

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Speaker 5: did their duty. But when all that chast was happening,

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Speaker 5: as I was being threatened and ushered out by armed

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Speaker 5: security people, I thought, this is what the jury did.

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Speaker 5: They sent a signal that it is okay to use violence,

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Speaker 5: It's okay to drug people up, it's okay to live

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Speaker 5: a life of debauchery, it's okay to do whatever you want.

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Speaker 5: Because guess what, if you work hard enough and you

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Speaker 5: engrained yourself in culture enough that you can do whatever

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Speaker 5: you want and twelve of your peers will look the

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Speaker 5: other way.

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Speaker 6: Again, this jury was shocking.

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Speaker 1: Past of tales.

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Speaker 4: When you say that Shawnkhm's supporters threatened you, what were

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Speaker 4: they saying?

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Speaker 6: They were saying, you B you F and B. We're

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Speaker 6: going to kill you.

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Speaker 1: You F and B.

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Speaker 6: You worked Apparently I work for the fence. You're a plant.

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Speaker 6: You make this all up because of you. Again, they're

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Speaker 6: not too smart because of you. That's how this case

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Speaker 6: got started. We're gonna treat you worse than we treated Cassie.

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Speaker 5: Cassie, what we do to you, it's gonna be nothing

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Speaker 5: that they had on Cassie.

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Speaker 6: They were screaming, they were yelling. Some people were saying.

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Speaker 5: Apologize the didty apologize the ditty?

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Speaker 6: Of course, Thank goodness. We had Lenny and we had Jimmy,

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Speaker 6: two of the best arm guards out there.

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Speaker 5: So the one thing is they and also they started foaming.

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Speaker 6: Like wild dogs.

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Speaker 5: Because they realized that I was not an unprotected woman,

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Speaker 5: and they realized they could not just do what they

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Speaker 5: felt like, and they started foaming like wild dogs, screaming,

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Speaker 5: their voices cracking in anger that they ricially wanted to

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Speaker 5: rip me apart.

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Speaker 6: This is why their hero had been exonerated.

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Speaker 5: Even in the best of times, these people that support him,

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Speaker 5: there's something wrong with it. And I gotta tell you, Nancy,

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Speaker 5: it wasn't just me.

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Speaker 6: It was not just me.

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Speaker 5: It was anybody that didn't have a pro Diddy stamp

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Speaker 5: from the beginning.

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Speaker 6: That's who suffered.

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Speaker 4: Joining me an all star panel that I want to

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Speaker 4: thank Tisa Tales for what she's doing tonight.

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Speaker 1: You know, Rob Sheeter is joining me. Rob, I really

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Speaker 1: don't know where to start.

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Speaker 7: This is a blow.

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Speaker 4: This is a huge blow to crime victims all over

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Speaker 4: the country. Huge blow. The big news is right now,

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Speaker 4: Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, he's going to jail.

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Speaker 4: I was actually worried that somehow.

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Speaker 1: The judge would contriveting the law. And the law is

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Speaker 1: under the Bill Reform Act.

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Speaker 4: That for these two charges on which he was convicted,

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Speaker 4: he has to go to jail.

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Speaker 1: There is no appeal bond period.

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Speaker 4: But I was so concerned that the judge would somehow

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Speaker 4: find a way to let him walk. And all this time, Shooter,

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Speaker 4: we've been hearing I've got all these letters. Here, here's

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Speaker 4: one from Deontay Nash in fear, in fear talking about Comes,

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Speaker 4: this long, well documented history of violent retaliatory behavior.

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Speaker 1: They're afraid.

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Speaker 4: Rob'shooter, guys, Shooter knows Comes better than.

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Speaker 1: Any of us.

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Speaker 4: His longtime published no More but now you can find

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Speaker 4: him at his substack robshooter dot substack dot com and

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Speaker 4: noney but Nice podcast Shooter. I got to tell you,

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Speaker 4: it's like a kick in the stomach when that split

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Speaker 4: verdict came down.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,

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Speaker 8: I just want to send my best to Tisha. What

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Speaker 8: happened to her outside that courthouse is horrific, is wrong,

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Speaker 8: and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened. When

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Speaker 8: we heard the judgment, I think we were all shell shocked,

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Speaker 8: we were all heartbroken, We all felt like we'd been

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Speaker 8: kicked in the stomach. However, as the day has gone on,

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Speaker 8: we do have to remember, Nancy, that he has been

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Speaker 8: found guilty of two very serious charges. If any other

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Speaker 8: celebrity had been charged with those two charges, those alone

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Speaker 8: and being found guilty, we would be done with them.

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Speaker 8: So the celebration from Team Diddy, the disappointment from people

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Speaker 8: who've been watching this is close as we have. I

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Speaker 8: realize that this is not a good day for d Day.

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Speaker 8: He is now a federal criminal, is in jail tonight,

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Speaker 8: He's going to remain there, and so at least take

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Speaker 8: some solace in that.

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Speaker 4: You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,

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Speaker 4: rape victims from.

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Speaker 9: All walks of life that are upset.

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Speaker 4: They don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad,

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Speaker 4: they can't believe this has happened.

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Speaker 9: I've been already subjected to a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Attacks, verbal attacks, and I think, like what Tisa tells,

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Speaker 4: has been subjected to already. But I give the credit

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Speaker 4: believe this was a Day and Goliath, and they went

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Speaker 4: in against one of the highest profile personalities in our country,

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Speaker 4: Sean Comes, who many people think that they know and

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Speaker 4: they love him, and for some reason, that blinded them,

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Speaker 4: that drowned out everything that three sex attack victims said, and.

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Speaker 1: One had the video. What has the video?

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Speaker 10: I just I.

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Speaker 1: Don't get it.

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Speaker 4: Rob Shooter, give me some insight and to how Sean

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Speaker 4: Comes got a split vert. But yes, you're right, he

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Speaker 4: is going to jail on two felonies, two felonies.

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Speaker 1: That's a victory that Seawn Comes is going to jail.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a victory.

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Speaker 8: We have to hard on for that, Nancid, because in

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Speaker 8: this moment, in this hour, there's not a lot of hope.

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Speaker 8: Everything seems so bad. We have let down not just

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Speaker 8: the people in this case, but vixings around the world

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Speaker 8: did now will be empowered. This is not the end

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Speaker 8: of the story, Nancy. When he gets out of jail,

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Speaker 8: if he gets out of jail, his behavior will not

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Speaker 8: change because he thinks he has gotten away with it. Again,

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Speaker 8: if you enable someone, Nancy, they do not change. So

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Speaker 8: mark my words, Nancy, this is not the end of

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Speaker 8: the Diddy story. It's the end of a very very

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Speaker 8: sad chapter. And I think we've let a lot of

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Speaker 8: people down. And as far as being concerned about safety,

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Speaker 8: I just broke reporting that Cassie has now increased her security.

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Speaker 8: Cassie in New York, her home now has security increased.

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Speaker 8: And I think a lot of other people, courageous people

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Speaker 8: who came forward assistance, people that worked with Diddy, came

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Speaker 8: forward and testified. They're very vulnerable and they are very,

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Speaker 8: very scared right now.

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Speaker 4: Linn Shaw joining me, founder and director Linn's Warriors, dedicated

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Speaker 4: to ending sex trafficking and sex.

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Speaker 1: Abuse on girls and women.

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Speaker 4: When I learned about the split verdict, I was speechless.

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Speaker 9: I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: But it's happened.

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Speaker 4: So what do you want the prosecutors to do? Go

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Speaker 4: home and hide under the bed? Should they have just

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Speaker 4: never even brought the case. They did it because they

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Speaker 4: believed it and I still do believe it.

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Speaker 1: Lynn.

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Speaker 4: I believe Cassie vent Tira was coerced and beaten into

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Speaker 1: That sex trafficking. I believe her.

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Speaker 11: I believe Cassie. I believe Jane. I believe sex trafficking.

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Speaker 11: This is a sober reflection on everything I've been talking

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Speaker 11: a reminder again, this case was not just about one man.

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Speaker 11: Please Lynn, please remind everybody we're victims. Please remind everybody

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Speaker 11: And that goes back to I have to do, We

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Speaker 5: When you heard count one, not guilty, a bomb went

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Speaker 6: Not guilty. No one could believe it, song did.

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Speaker 5: He's calm side even looked around as if they hadn't

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Speaker 5: get it. They literally pulled a magic act. Okay, they

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Speaker 6: And she just kept looking at the jury as they

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Speaker 5: I know the jury did their best, but I cannot

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Speaker 5: vicious beatings? How can you forget the twenty k the

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's what she thought when she wired it.

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Speaker 5: How can you forget what happened to Bonna being hung

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Speaker 5: How you can forget Deontay Nash and the best friend

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Speaker 5: back and say, you know what, we don't see anything

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Speaker 6: Again.

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Speaker 5: We can argue about the prosecution, prostitution, got ditty on

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Speaker 5: chose to overlook all that. It brought me back to

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Speaker 5: what Rob Shooter said weeks ago. When I first started

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Speaker 5: a legacy for someone that hit their depravity and their

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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Shawn Colmbs gets sentenced to a measly fifty months behind

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Speaker 4: Back to Tisa tells Joining Us she had to be

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Speaker 4: the scene after she was mobbed by Diddy fans. Explain

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Speaker 1: I understand, and that was this plit verdict was announced.

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Speaker 4: The Diddy followers, the Diddy worshippers, went cray outside the courthouse,

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Speaker 6: They formed the circle. It looked like a mush pit

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Speaker 5: They were spraying baby oil on each other, jumping around

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Speaker 6: It was absolute pandemonia.

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Speaker 5: In between the jumping up and down with the baby oil,

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Speaker 5: laughing and having a time like Christmas had just come

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Speaker 6: What happened after that was even more amazing because.

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Speaker 5: While that was going on, there were little fires everywhere

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Speaker 5: of these bands of I don't know if they're in cels.

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Speaker 5: If they're idiots, what was going on looking for anybody

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Speaker 5: they had ever saw make anti Didty contest and by

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Speaker 6: According to Thelm it is pro justice.

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Speaker 5: They were going out their ways to make sure.

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Speaker 6: That everybody paid.

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Speaker 5: And again I said, this is what that jury cost us,

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Speaker 6: It sent a message.

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Speaker 5: It's okay to be depraved, it's okay to beat women,

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Speaker 5: it's okay to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever

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Speaker 4: Thank god, straight out to send me someone joining us

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Speaker 4: Crime Stories investigative reporter on the case from the very

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Speaker 4: beginning break down the counts for me, said Nancy.

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Speaker 12: Count one is that racketeering, rico conspiracy. Combs was found

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Speaker 12: found that Combs was liable for both transportation to engage

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Speaker 4: Straight out to Philip Dubay joining us veteran trial lawyer,

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Speaker 4: joining us out of the LA jurisdiction. So Debay, this

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Speaker 4: is the breakdown. Count one racketeering not guilty. Count two

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Speaker 4: sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion as it relates

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Speaker 1: You know the woman that was beaten in.

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Speaker 4: That video and dragged back to a freak off her

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Speaker 1: Did he beat her up? That one, that's a not guilty.

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Speaker 4: Count three transportation to engage in prostitution as it relates

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Speaker 4: And that comes, I believe from the sex worker who

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Speaker 4: came in Philip and described Sean Combs wearing a burka

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Speaker 4: from the chin up and make it from the.

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Speaker 1: Chin down and had him have.

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Speaker 4: Sex with Cassie on video and directed them that was

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Speaker 1: So we got two.

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Speaker 4: Guilties, three not guilties, split verdict. So there was great

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Speaker 4: jubilation at first.

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Speaker 1: When did he followers heard split?

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Speaker 4: They heard the words not guilty on count one and

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Speaker 4: went crazy, What do you think is going to happen now, Philip?

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Speaker 1: He will be getting prison time, There's no question. Right,

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Speaker 1: another thing debate. Let's get real.

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Speaker 4: It's really rare in federal and state court that once

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Speaker 1: You on a violent of fence that you.

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Speaker 4: Get an appeal bond, which means, okay, Jodge, I know

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Speaker 4: he just got convicted, but could you please let him

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Speaker 4: walk free now until we take this all the way

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Speaker 4: up to the appellate court and get a decision that

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Speaker 7: Agree?

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Speaker 1: Disagree?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 7: I agree one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: No higher court is going to find that this judge

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Speaker 4: You know. Robert Crispin joining me, private investigator at Crispin

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Speaker 4: Special Investigations. Former homicide and former vice detective. Crispin here's

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Speaker 4: the deal. If the judge had granted Shawn Combs a

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Speaker 1: Now remember once he.

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Speaker 4: Was arrested, Crispin, he was kept behind bars. He did

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Speaker 4: not have a bond right for a reason. He's got money,

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Speaker 4: and he squats right over by Teterborough, the private airport

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Speaker 1: You know, if the.

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Speaker 4: Judge had given Shawn Combs an appeal bond, he goes

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Speaker 4: straight to Telborough and take off, probably under an assumed name.

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Speaker 4: When you fly a private plane, you can give a

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Speaker 4: fake ID. Just it's not the same as going through

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Speaker 4: TSA at Hartsville International or LaGuardia or JFK No, where

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Speaker 4: they will frisk you and look.

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Speaker 1: At all your bags. It's not like that. At a

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Speaker 4: You kind of just walk on onto your private plane

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Speaker 4: that he has, have a glass of champagne and go

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Speaker 4: bye bye us, Hello Paris.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens, Crispin.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Actually, earlier, just before we came on, Nancy, I was

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Speaker 13: or back down here to Miami to where his neighbors

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00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 13: aren't certainly thrilled about him coming back. But doesn't look

447
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 13: like anytime soon he's going to be gracing his presence

448
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 13: with these guys. So I was trying to find out

449
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 13: where that jet was that I haven't found out yet.

450
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 13: But the verdict is just it's heartbreaking, and it's a

451
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 13: black eyed to the victims. It's terrible, horrible for any

452
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 13: of these victims that want to come forward or any

453
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 13: witness that wants to put their ass on the line,

454
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 13: raise your right hand and testify against somebody. When a

455
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 13: jury's going to find that guy not guilty. That's really

456
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 13: bad for these witnesses and victims. They know what's coming.

457
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 14: Now.

458
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Speaker 13: Look what's happened to our reporter As she was leaving

459
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 13: the courthouse, they were attacking her. This guy was found

460
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Speaker 13: guilty of federal five.

461
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to point out rob'shooter. What they were

462
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: saying to Tisa Tills.

463
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Speaker 6: Rob.

464
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Speaker 4: They were saying, We're gonna do worse to you. Than

465
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Speaker 4: we did to Cassie Shere.

466
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's heart for Tim.

467
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Speaker 4: Diddy has to be condoning this. He has been orchestrating

468
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Speaker 4: the crowd. He's been orchestrating everything.

469
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, I think looking for Diddy to do the

470
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 8: right thing at this moment is unrealistic. This is who

471
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 8: he is. The whole world has seen who he is,

472
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 8: and unfortunately, there's a large amount of people out there

473
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 8: who are just perfectly fine with this. Nobody can pretend

474
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 8: anymore that we don't know who did he is. We

475
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 8: know we've seen him on tape. That tape will exist

476
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 8: for We've heard the testimonies, we've heard the accounts, we've

477
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 8: heard the details, we've seen them, and yet some people

478
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 8: still support him. There's nothing we can do about that, Nancy.

479
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 8: And to think that Diddy is going to stop it,

480
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 8: that ain't going to happen. He's going to encourage it.

481
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 8: He wants people out there, he wants the violence, he

482
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 8: wants people screaming. This to him is the party that

483
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 8: he always wanted to throw shape.

484
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 4: You know, Rob Shooter, everything you're saying can be transposed

485
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 4: to him before he was arrested. You know, in every case,

486
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Speaker 4: I've told you this before off air. I've seen a

487
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: million homicide scenes. I've been to the Morgue, I've seen

488
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 4: it all. But there's always a moment in a trial

489
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: that just twists the knife is very disturbing. And in

490
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 4: this trial, there were two moments like that from me.

491
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 4: And one was in the Hotel Intercontinental video beat down

492
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 4: where she had already been beaten and she was backing

493
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 4: up and she tried to hold up She's right handed

494
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 4: was holding holding her mouth I think, with one hand,

495
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 4: the right hand and holding up her left hand against

496
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 4: Sean Comb's like she could fight him off, okay. And

497
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: the other moment was when she was getting beaten and

498
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 4: she was down on the floor and Combs had a.

499
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: Glass, a liquor glass.

500
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: Held up ready to throw down at her face, and

501
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 4: she said, can't you see what's happening?

502
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: And nobody did anything. It's just like in the courtroom.

503
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: The jury didn't do anything.

504
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 8: They didn't they didn't answer. It's heartbreaking. People I know

505
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 8: who have worked with him, who knew him, many of

506
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 8: us are on a text exchange and they're heartbroken and

507
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 8: a lot of people are really worried to I don't

508
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 8: want to keep hopping on about this, Nancy, But this

509
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 8: is a very dangerous man. This is a man who

510
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 8: allegedly try to fire bomb the car of somebody that

511
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 8: was dating his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. This is a dangerous,

512
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 8: dangerous man. And what that jury has just done has

513
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 8: said it doesn't matter. It's okay. You keep being puffy,

514
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 8: you keep being you, and we will support you. But

515
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 8: let me just say, Nancy, we can't just blame the

516
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 8: jury here. We've got to blame the person that did it.

517
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 8: And that's did he did. He is responsible for all this.

518
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 8: Everything else is a red herring. He's the problem and

519
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 8: he will continue now to be a problem.

520
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 4: Doctor Cheryl Eric, who is a clinical and forensic psychologist,

521
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: explain the effect this is going to have on not

522
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: only these victims that we heard on the stand, but

523
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: other victims everywhere.

524
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 14: Nancy, Once there is the threat of violence, that power

525
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 14: control tactic shapes everything that happens after that. We have

526
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 14: a jury who heard evidence about a tremendous amount of violence, threats,

527
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 14: threats of blackmail, videotaped assaults that were maintaining the power

528
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 14: and control, and yet they didn't feel that they had

529
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 14: enough evidence to be able to find that what was

530
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 14: happening there was not consensual. Trafficking has to do with force, fraud, coercion.

531
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Speaker 14: Consent is anything, but when somebody really scary makes you

532
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 14: an offer that you cannot refuse, that is not consent.

533
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 14: And what I think people are failing to understand about

534
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 14: the way that the even the threat of violence shapes

535
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 14: behavior is that when someone does not believe that they

536
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 14: can survive a threat by actually fighting back, they use fawning,

537
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 14: They use appeasing, they use the freeze response. They are

538
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 14: trying to placate the person who is scaring them. And

539
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 14: this man certainly has no shortage of people who were

540
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 14: really really frightened of him and still are.

541
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Speaker 6: And I think that.

542
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Speaker 15: These really normal autonomic nervous system survival responses, fawning, appeasing,

543
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 15: the freeze response, These are things that need to be

544
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 15: understood better by juries, understood better by the public, and

545
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 15: even by survivors themselves.

546
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shooter.

547
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: Would you look one more time at these celebrations going

548
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: on outside the courthouse after the split verdict was announced.

549
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 7: Take a look, thoughts, Nancy.

550
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 8: I can tell you, as somebody who knows puff those

551
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 8: people standing outside that court have never met him. They've

552
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 8: never been to his apartment, they've never been on his

553
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 8: private plane. They've never had a text or an email

554
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 8: or folk call with him I have. He doesn't care

555
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 8: about any of those people, all those people who have

556
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 8: took their time, their energy to go and support this guy.

557
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 8: Let me talk to them directly. He does not care

558
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 8: about you. If he can treat his girlfriend Cassie the

559
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 8: way that we've seen him treat it on video, this

560
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 8: is not testimony, this is video. If he can treat

561
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 8: someone who he's supposed to love like that, how do

562
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 8: you think he can treat you. He doesn't care about you.

563
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 8: You're wasting your energy on him, and honestly, my friends, stop,

564
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 8: he doesn't care. He's laughing at these people outside that courts,

565
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 8: He's egging them on, but he doesn't care.

566
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Speaker 4: You know, Rob Sheeter, you speak with so much conviction

567
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: and so much feeling, and that tells me that you

568
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: know something.

569
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: Something you haven't told me. Why do you believe this?

570
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 9: What did you observe to make you say what you

571
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 9: just said.

572
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 8: I've observed a really selfish person, Nancy. I've observed a

573
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 8: person who doesn't have any shame, who has no sense

574
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 8: of pride, who has no sense of decency. He's a

575
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 8: really bad man, and.

576
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 16: Through his career, through the media, through his products, he

577
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 16: has managed to come us all, to kid us all

578
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 16: into believing he is somebody else.

579
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 8: Now, I hoped that day was coming to an end.

580
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 8: In fact, I could even tell you the day that

581
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 8: I thought it was ending. It was today. I'm absolutely

582
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 8: punched to my gut, to my stomach to know that

583
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 8: Puffy once again rises. Maybe not like a phoenix, but

584
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 8: justice does not feel as if it has been served.

585
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: Do you know that people aren't flooding the courthouse, the

586
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 4: judges chambers with letters.

587
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: Please don't let him out.

588
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: We're from Cassie Ventura's lawyer to Deonte Nash, so many

589
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: others in fear, just like what you're saying. And we

590
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: heard earlier how this affects people. They saw what happened

591
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: to kid Cuddy, they saw what happened to Cassie, and

592
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: now he's going to walk crime stories with Nancy Grace.

593
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: In a letter to the judge ahead of sentencing, come

594
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: said he got sober for the first time in twenty

595
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: five years.

596
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: Wait is that our fault? Are you actually trying to

597
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: say you were drunk or high when you committed all

598
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: these acts. Voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is never

599
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: a defense under the law. Let's take a quick crash

600
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: course on what facts convicted Combs and now he's set

601
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: to be released.

602
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: The Federal Bureau of Prison release dates based on good conduct,

603
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: time time served before sentencing, and credits from participating in

604
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: rehabilitative programs such as drug abuse treatment. Now his projected

605
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: release date is February twenty third, twenty twenty eight, and

606
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: in the meantime, his legal team continues to appeal his

607
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: conviction and sentence.

608
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 4: After the split verdict, when everyone or I spray each

609
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: other with baby oil outside the courthouse and baying and

610
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: yelling and celebrating, Comes goes back into the courtroom Sydney

611
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: for the hearing. Right the hearing on is there going

612
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 4: to be an appeal bond? Is Comes going to walk

613
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: out of the courthouse a freeman today? During that hearing,

614
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 4: Comes briefly tries to raise his hand to speak after

615
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: the judge denies his request for release again. The judge

616
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: seemed to ignore the move and instead asked the US

617
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 4: Assistant Attorney Marine Comy to respond and she says, quote,

618
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: he is extremely violent with an extraordinary temper, who has

619
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 4: shown no remorse.

620
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: And no regret.

621
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Speaker 4: And it makes me think, Sidney, about that fake apology,

622
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: I'm going to que that up and play it for

623
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: you in just a moment, said where he does all

624
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: this apologizing after beating Cassie, but according to what we

625
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: learned in court and sworn testimony, he continued the violence

626
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: after the apology video. That's what she said, no remorse

627
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 4: and no regret at all.

628
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, that is definitely what the judge and prosecutors are thinking.

629
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 12: Comy referenced the violent incident with Jane mister Colmes knew

630
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 12: he was already under investigation. The judge referenced the multiple

631
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 12: instances of Colme's trying to reach out to potential witnesses,

632
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 12: trying to sway their opinions of what they might tell

633
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 12: investigators after this investigation began, when Colmes was well aware

634
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 12: it was underway. Judge to her money and also referenced

635
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 12: Mark Agmphillo's own closing arguments. You full throat fee told

636
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 12: the jury that there was violence, domestic violence in all

637
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 12: of Come's relationships. Y'all own that, and it may have

638
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 12: helped on some of these charges. It may have helped

639
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 12: with the guilty not guilty verdict, but it is definitely

640
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 12: coming back to bite him now.

641
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: Straight out to len Shaw, this also happened in the proceedings.

642
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 4: This is after Tom's tried to raise his hand to

643
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: address the judge directly during the arguments. And this is

644
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 4: after the split verdict when everybody was celebrating outside. Now

645
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: comes the appeal bond where the judge is going to

646
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 4: decide will comes walk free tonight?

647
00:36:59,280 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: Okay.

648
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: The judge looks over at the defense and he says,

649
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: as Sidney just reported, quote you full throatedly.

650
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: I've never even heard anybody use that phrase, but he did.

651
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: You full throatedly in your closing argument told the jury

652
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: there was violence, and domestic violence is violence.

653
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: You said this was the case that did have violence.

654
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 4: This is the judge talking to Combs as to the

655
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: basic question of violence. You conceded that in your closing argument.

656
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 4: Now throughout this comes is furiously passing.

657
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: Notes back and forth to Agnifilo, who is.

658
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: Trying to stand there and argue and read Ola Shan

659
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: comes his notes.

660
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: Wait for it, Lanshaw.

661
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: Agnifilo responds, I just think we should trust him.

662
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 9: He's not gonna flee. He just deserves a chance.

663
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 11: Lann, please let us all get off this a dirty diddy,

664
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 11: degenerate merry go around that we're all on. How dare

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Speaker 11: that lawyer? How dare he He's got a wife, he's

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Speaker 11: got a daughter. I believe he's got sisters, a mother

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Speaker 11: talk like this violence is violence? Trust him. We have

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Speaker 11: seen everything to the contrary, including video evidence of Cassie

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Speaker 11: being beaten. How much more do we need? This goes

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Speaker 11: back to this is one of the worst days here

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Speaker 11: at the Warriors to have all of this video, to

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Speaker 11: hear the way they're talking about victims. Trust him, Trust him.

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Speaker 11: There's no way anybody should trust him. I'm here in

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Speaker 11: New York City and Rob Shooter's correct, We've got these

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Speaker 11: dirty Diddy disciples running around. People should be in fear

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Speaker 11: of this guy. But that brings me to how does

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Speaker 11: he get away with all of this for decades?

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Speaker 1: What about the victims.

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Speaker 11: That I've been up for forty eight hours now, counseling, helping,

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Speaker 11: giving out phone numbers, resources, Come stay with me if

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Speaker 11: you don't want to be alone. Well, what a slap

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Speaker 11: in the face today to all of these victim survivors

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Speaker 11: of any kind of sexual abuse. And you know what,

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Speaker 11: this is the problem with sex trafficking. Nobody. I'm a

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Speaker 11: broken record. Nobody understands it. Nobody understands what forced for coersion.

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Speaker 11: Nobody understands coersion. And you know what, it is time

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Speaker 11: we change it up. But this is a travesty. What

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Speaker 11: a slap in everybody's face.

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Speaker 4: Sean comes goes to jail, split verdict, not guilty on Rico,

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Speaker 4: not guilty on two counts of sex trafficking, Guilty on

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Speaker 4: two counts of bringing people across state lines to engage

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Speaker 4: in illegal activity, that being prostitution as it relates to

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Speaker 4: Cassie Ventura a victim, and Jane not her real name

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Speaker 4: a victim. To Robert Crispin joining me PI but former

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Speaker 4: beat coop, former special investigator with the federal asked for

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Speaker 4: US for the US Department of Justice, and on and on,

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Speaker 4: Robert Crispin, have you ever been in a case where

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Speaker 4: the bad guy walks?

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Speaker 13: Oh my god, Nancy, this brought back, This brought back

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Speaker 13: such a memory of a guy.

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Speaker 10: Who was leaning over the balcony holding two kilos of

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Speaker 10: cocaine in a CBS bag, getting ready to drop it

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Speaker 10: on the floor because the Feds were knocking on the

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Speaker 10: front door and I was covering the back door, and

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Speaker 10: he dropped it and I got it and I idt him,

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Speaker 10: and we went to the jury and the jury found

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Speaker 10: him not guilty when me, as the Federal DEA Drug agent,

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Speaker 10: watched him drop that bag. And you know why, Nancy,

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Speaker 10: because juries are so unpredictable. You know why we didn't

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Speaker 10: pull his DNA off the bag. But I watched him.

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Speaker 10: I watched him drop those kilos of cocaine out of

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Speaker 10: the ground.

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Speaker 13: These juries have a mind of their own.

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Speaker 4: I know how that must have felt sane. And the

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Speaker 4: thing is, this is a violent crime. Philip debay from

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Speaker 4: what the judge was saying when Shawn Combs raised his

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Speaker 4: hand trying to speak to the judge while Agniffolo was

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Speaker 4: arguing the judge acting like he didn't even see him.

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Speaker 4: The judge did note the wide divergence between what the

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Speaker 4: state wants a sentencing and what the defense wants a sentencing.

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Speaker 4: But hearing what the judge said, the judge can't just

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Speaker 4: erase from his mind what he saw on the Cassie

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Speaker 4: beat down video. He cannot erase from his mind what

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Speaker 4: the victim said on the stand.

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Speaker 2: Comes his lawyers appealed his conviction, demanding a federal appeals

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Speaker 2: court overruled the decision and give him immediate release, calling

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Speaker 2: his former girlfriends Cassie Ventira and Jane, who went anonymous

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Speaker 2: on the carpet. He denied all claims, but a jury disagreed. Well,

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Speaker 2: Shawn Comes. His release date has been well, Shawncambs release

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Speaker 2: date has jumped up. It's even closer. What's next? I

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Speaker 2: hate to think about it. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing

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Speaker 2: off Goodbye friend,