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Speaker 1: All right, well, we're gonna get right into it because

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Speaker 1: we have a special interview. Over the weekend, news came

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Speaker 1: out that the unibomber is dead. Remember that story. Between

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight and nineteen ninety five, someone was mailing

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Speaker 1: bombs to people around the country. When they finally caught

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Speaker 1: up with them, he was identified as Ted Kaczinski, the

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Speaker 1: man who lived in a sparse cabin in Montana, and

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Speaker 1: of course the motivation was allegedly his hatred of the

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Speaker 1: modern world and technology. Three people were killed, twenty three

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Speaker 1: others were wounded. He was serving eight life sentences for

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Speaker 1: these bombs. He died, and then we learned about a

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Speaker 1: day later that suicide eighty one years old. At first

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Speaker 1: I thought it might be natural causes, because they had

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Speaker 1: transferred him from a federal prison in Colorado to like

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Speaker 1: a medical federal medical facility, and I thought maybe because

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Speaker 1: he was going downhill. But they're now saying he killed himself.

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Speaker 1: He had late stage cancer. Okay, well maybe that's why

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Speaker 1: he killed himself.

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Speaker 2: And he sent the bombs to either university professors or

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Speaker 2: airline executives, which.

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Speaker 1: And I just learned, hence the name unibomber. That's right

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Speaker 1: for university airlines.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to talk now with Jonathan Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna talk with Jonathan Epstein. His father was

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Speaker 1: one of the victims. His father did survive the bombing,

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Speaker 1: but it was atrocious. His father was doctor Charles Epstein,

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Speaker 1: University of California at San Francisco, geneticist.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get Jonathan Epstein on. Jonathan, thanks for

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Speaker 2: coming on with.

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Speaker 3: Us, Thanks for having me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I just read in the story

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Speaker 1: about you, Jonathan, is you were hoping that that was

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Speaker 1: your last interview we're going to do about this, but

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Speaker 1: you agreed to come on our show. We appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that statement was a little premature.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps, Yeah, well, I mean there's been interest in this

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Speaker 2: for almost thirty years now, ever since the world became

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Speaker 2: aware of the unibomber, and actually his bombings go back

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Speaker 2: wide about forty five years, so you've been living with this,

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Speaker 2: you know, a big percentage of your life. Did you

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Speaker 2: have a particular reaction when you heard he was dead?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess you know, I was initially

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Speaker 3: felt glad about the news. It's not great when anyone

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Speaker 3: dies in general, but you know, my hope was and

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Speaker 3: what prompted my statement about interviews is that we brought

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Speaker 3: we'd finally be able to put this chapter of our

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Speaker 3: lives to a close. It's you know, it's been a while,

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Speaker 3: it's been thirty years. My father was the age I

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Speaker 3: am now when this happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that. And your father, of course

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Speaker 1: has since passed away, but he did survive this bombing.

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Speaker 1: What did he do at UCSF?

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Speaker 3: So my father was head of human genetics. He started

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Speaker 3: out his career bringing healthcare out to rural areas, in

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Speaker 3: particular the NEOs andesis procedure, which was new at the time,

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Speaker 3: and really trying to understand how having an extra chromosome

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it was doing remarkable research. The unibomber

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Speaker 1: picking out your father, I mean it puzzles you too.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I think you know he was He was mentioned,

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Speaker 3: and my father was, you know, used a lot as

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Speaker 3: York Times story. I'm not sure what that story it was.

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Speaker 3: So we always felt that, you know, since he hadn't

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Speaker 1: What happened to your dad the day he got this bomb?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was alone at home. I think my

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Speaker 3: He stumbled out of the kitchen, but it went the

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Speaker 2: Did he have the Did he have long term health

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Speaker 2: problems because of the blast outside of the missing fingers, I.

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Speaker 3: Think, well, he lost some of his hearing. He had

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Speaker 1: Now were you were you and your family aware of

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Speaker 1: the unibomber, I mean, the attack on your father happened

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Speaker 1: a bit late in his bombing history. Nineteen ninety three

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Speaker 3: I was not. I never heard of the guy before,

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Speaker 3: and my father was the first in what became the

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Speaker 3: new string of bombing, so it really had no historical context.

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Speaker 3: Had never heard of that name until the FBI came

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Speaker 3: calling to the house and included us in that this might.

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Speaker 1: Be the Yeah, he took some time off, Kazinski did

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Did you read his manifesto because that that consumed the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a distinctive writing style, to say the least.

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Speaker 3: I read some of it. I have not read the

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Speaker 1: How did your father feel about, you know, catching Kazinsky

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Speaker 3: Uh. I never really got my father's viewpoint on it.

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Speaker 3: they caught Kazinsky. My mother was, you know, very obviously

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Speaker 3: out as she may have just done so by committing suicide.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we appreciate you talking about your dad. I see

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Speaker 1: here also in the story we're looking at that you

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Speaker 1: don't want your father to be remembered as a uni

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was always this kind of dual edge sword.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, it was hard for him not

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Speaker 3: and he was fortunate to survive. But my father was

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Speaker 3: He went on to be the initial scientific advisor and

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Speaker 3: does to us because there was a connection between down

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Speaker 3: He had more than five hundred scientific papers to his name,

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Speaker 1: He was he able to continue a lot of his

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Speaker 3: He did after a while, after you know a couple

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Speaker 3: you know, on a personal life basis. They hit special

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he went full long into research and if anything,

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Speaker 3: you know, he when this happened, he was fifty nine

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Speaker 3: silver lining that's even a real thing in this case

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and most people never get that, nothing even

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Speaker 2: close to it. Well, listen, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: talking about that terrible time. People shouldn't forget, you know,

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Speaker 2: the victims in these cases. Jonathan Epstein, he's the son

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Speaker 2: of the UC San Francisco geneticist, doctor Charles Epstein, one

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Speaker 2: of the unibomber victims. He survived the mail bomb that exploded.

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Speaker 1: Just a geneticist who was doing great work on down syndrome.

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Speaker 1: And that's why the wild crazy guy Kazinski sometimes didn't

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a TV reporter quoted in

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Speaker 1: With him that day. He was just, you know, he

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Speaker 1: was extremely mentally ill with this bizarre obsession. We got

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Speaker 1: a little bit more coming up next on Kazinski. He

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Speaker 1: Well, the unibomber is dead. He apparently killed himself in

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Speaker 1: a federal medical type prison back east at the age

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Speaker 1: of eighty one. John said, what he had late stage

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Speaker 1: cancer of some kind. Yeah. Ted Kaczynski came from Chicago,

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Speaker 1: Well tonight, Fox News is skilled to air it's entirety

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Speaker 2: Cow burps, cow burps, cow farts. All the gases coming

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Speaker 1: And that's an important distinction because that includes dairy. In fact,

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Speaker 2: They want the cows not to exist, but are in

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Speaker 2: because if they did, they keep farting. Correct, I mean

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Speaker 2: they have to eat what they eat. Well, you can't

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Speaker 1: This this comes from the Irish Agriculture Minister fact on

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Speaker 1: His name is Charlie mcconnoague and he said that they're

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Speaker 1: Why would the Agricultural Minister though in Ireland want to

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Speaker 1: Well here's where it came from. The European Green Deal.

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Speaker 2: The premise is stupid. Fifty five percent by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 2: Why that percentage? Why that year? Why do you want

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's gonna have no effect on the climate. This

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Speaker 1: This is like religious rituals where you watch weird little

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Speaker 1: all things just absurd. What are you doing? What's the

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Speaker 1: point of this? What effect is this having on anybody? Nothing?

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Speaker 1: There's no effect. And that's what this is. And I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you it is. One of the defining things about

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Speaker 1: humanity in this era is that old fashioned organized church,

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Speaker 1: which is a lot of it's pretty nuts to begin with,

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Speaker 1: is fading away. But because human beings need to believe

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Speaker 1: in something, they need to have, like some sort of

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Speaker 1: spiritual order to their life, they are now worshiping the planet.

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Speaker 1: And so the way the way old.

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Speaker 2: Religions wanted to honor God with their strange rituals, now

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Speaker 2: we are honoring the planet with our strange rituals. It's

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Speaker 2: it's exactly the same type of behavior, it's just aimed

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Speaker 2: in a different direction. Rather than God sitting in another

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Speaker 2: dimension somewhere or aiming it at the upper atmosphere.

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Speaker 1: So they claim that the agricultural sector of Ireland accounts

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Speaker 1: for thirty eight percent of that nation's greenhouse gas emissions.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know who does this measurement. These numbers

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Speaker 1: are true, and it's the methane. It's also nitrous oxide

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Speaker 1: from the use of nitrogen fertilizer and manure management. As

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Speaker 1: part of this methane gas from livestock contributes to a

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Speaker 1: major portion of the world greenhouse gases. Methane supposedly accounts

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Speaker 1: for forty four percent of total life spots. But that's

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Speaker 1: how you grow food, is with the fertilizer. Well, now

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Speaker 1: you back to where you started. They don't want you

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Speaker 1: to eat that food. They don't want you to be alive,

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Speaker 1: but they no seriously alive.

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Speaker 5: I'm alive, and well, thank.

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Speaker 1: You very much, very noisy. Now PTA agrees with that.

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Speaker 1: Peta says that everyone should start taking personal responsibility by

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Speaker 1: saving the planet by going vegan. That's the that's Pita though,

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Speaker 1: and they're very upset with this plant. Although there's a

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Speaker 1: woman from the Green Party or in Ireland says, well,

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Speaker 1: what we're really talking about is dairy farmers not restocking.

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Speaker 1: In other words, they won't add cows at the same

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Speaker 1: level they were before. So the cows will be retired

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Speaker 1: and they won't die, but you don't add new ones.

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Speaker 1: So that's how the color. But it drives up the

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Speaker 1: price of meat. Oh, people still want the meat and

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Speaker 1: want the milk right in the butter. And then and

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Speaker 1: then people can't afford it.

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Speaker 5: So then they have alternatives or they eat less.

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Speaker 1: There are no alternatives. There are no there are. There

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Speaker 1: are avocados and father.

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Speaker 5: Beans, carbonzo beans. There's plenty to eat, that's right. I mean, look,

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Speaker 5: if you want it bad enough, then you're going to

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Speaker 5: pay the higher price.

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Speaker 1: Why should meat eaters be punished with this manipulation?

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Speaker 5: I don't have an answer for that. Well, I don't

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Speaker 5: have one that I want to stay.

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Speaker 1: You jumped in, I gave you the floor, and.

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Speaker 5: I'm taking the fifth.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, must be something awfully rude. All right,

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Speaker 1: when we come back the other side of this, the

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Speaker 1: attempt at getting people to eat meat alternatives. You won't

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Speaker 1: believe how much this is colossally collapsed. For talking about

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Speaker 1: some of the purveyors like Beyond Meat, We'll tell you

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Speaker 1: that story coming up. John and Ken KFI AM six forty.

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Speaker 1: We're live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: I AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're on from one to four and if you

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Speaker 1: miss anything, you can pick it up check out the

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Speaker 1: on demand podcast at caf i am six forty dot

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Speaker 1: com or the iHeartRadio app. And leading off the two

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Speaker 1: o'clock hour, we'll drag out the one of the latest

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Speaker 1: desks we have. Gavin Newsom is running for president, is

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Speaker 1: maybe running for president, or is not running for president?

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Speaker 1: Take your pick. He made a big appearance sitting down

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Speaker 1: with the enemy. I guess Sean Hannity of Fox News

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Speaker 1: in Depth interview so brave, so courageous. Yeah, he wants

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Speaker 1: to show you. He'll walk right into the lions Dan

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Speaker 1: and he'll take him on. John, Right, we got to

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Speaker 1: organize what does it say in this clip we have

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Speaker 1: in the desk, but.

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Speaker 2: From the bottom up, not that's top down, because Sean

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Speaker 2: Hannity is so frightening.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: See if he uses any what will you have? Are clips?

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Speaker 1: They're just short clips. Yeah, The whole interview runs tonight

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Speaker 1: and we'll probably have more tomorrow to choose from. But

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Speaker 1: we do have a few about Biden. We have one

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Speaker 1: about Biden. We have one about and we mentioned this

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. Newsome likes to brag about how

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Speaker 1: great a relationship he had with Trump when Trump was president.

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Speaker 1: And then the last one is about, of course the

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Speaker 1: migrant flights by Florida Governor Ron Deasan. Maybe he also

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Speaker 1: God Times also did a story on that over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: which is worth talking about two next hour. Maybe ego

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Speaker 1: maniacs just have a natural affinity for each other. That

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Speaker 1: could be Trump and Newsome. Man, Yeah, I think well,

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Speaker 1: like you said, they both wanted something right, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was actually Newsome wanted money from the federal government.

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Speaker 1: It was over the fires when Trump came out here

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Speaker 1: a few years back, so they both could look good

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Speaker 1: to use each other. We were talking in the last

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Speaker 1: segment about a plan in Ireland to cut back on

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Speaker 1: the dairy cow population in that nation to do something

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Speaker 1: about climate change. Four years ago. It was a company

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Speaker 1: called Beyond Meat, Remember the two biggies Beyond Meat and Impossible.

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Speaker 1: I actually saw commercially yesterday for impossible. I hadn't seen

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Speaker 1: one in years. I was like, wow, they're trying to

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Speaker 1: make a comeback. It was just wild interest in these

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Speaker 1: two meat alternative producers. The idea that you could get

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Speaker 1: all the flavor of a hamburger but without the beef

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Speaker 1: and the bad health effects of eating beef. There's not

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Speaker 1: bad health effects of eating beef. Well, that's how they market.

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Speaker 1: But that was lies. Everything about this product is lies.

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Speaker 1: It didn't taste like beef, it doesn't have the nutrition

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Speaker 1: of beef. Beef is not bad for you. It's it's

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Speaker 1: just one lie on top of another, on top of another,

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Speaker 1: and this stuff takes root people.

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Speaker 5: See why do so many doctors say not to eat

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Speaker 5: a lot of red meat?

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Speaker 1: A lot?

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, but you do you eat it every single days?

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Speaker 1: Not a lot? I don't know. I don't think it

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Speaker 1: is a lie. But what's the definition of a lot

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Speaker 1: every day? Why? Why is that doctors.

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Speaker 5: Say what the studies show? Maybe once a week, once

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Speaker 5: a week, yes, not seven days a week.

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Speaker 2: You're planning to get you down to something? Is it

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Speaker 2: pop possible? My ancestors came out of the Polish caves,

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Speaker 2: and most of my family lived long. We've got good

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Speaker 2: genetics when it comes to longevity. It's possible that that

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Speaker 2: that my tribe, my breed evolved to tolerate meat because

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of meat eaters in my family.

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Speaker 1: Do you have your appendix, John, Yes, Okay, well there

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 5: I have my appendix as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, the appendix was used by the cavemen to digest

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Speaker 1: raw meat. Is that right? Yes? I didn't know that.

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Speaker 5: That's why Eric turn off your own mic.

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Speaker 1: No, that's that's why we have an appendix.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know they ever found the reason for an appendix.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well there take that. So if we all

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Speaker 1: have appendixes that takes care of the meat, is that

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Speaker 1: I mean? I bet it probably helps? No, I actually

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Speaker 1: I'm being serious. Is that I think different different let's say.

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Speaker 2: Groups, they they evolved based on what was available to

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Speaker 2: eat where they're tribe formed, and I think in Poland

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Speaker 2: there was there was always a lot of farming going

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Speaker 2: on and that would be the main source of of

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Speaker 2: prot So you think.

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Speaker 1: There's something with Polish genetics that they can tolerate more

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Speaker 1: meat and not get they really use. But then you're

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Speaker 1: sort of admitting there can be bad health effects. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's the older you're just saying the Polish may

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Speaker 1: have carved out of If anything is eaten to excess,

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Speaker 1: you can anything can cause I know. Then you two

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Speaker 1: debated what is excess. He says meat every.

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Speaker 5: Day, seven days a week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he only eats two meals a day,

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Speaker 1: am I right, Well, you have a bagel in the morning,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know what that that's not meat? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: usually usually just once a day and it fills me

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Speaker 1: up for hours.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't meat once a day most of the time. Oh,

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Speaker 1: then that's not excessive. Sometimes twice seven days a week,

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Speaker 1: six Yeah, but once a day is not. But that

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: See, my son is heavily into nutrition because he's an athlete,

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Speaker 2: and he says, beef has all kinds of micronutrients that

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Speaker 2: you can't get from other protein rich foods, and that's

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Speaker 2: one it's actually good for your health to have all

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Speaker 2: these other micronutrients in there.

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Speaker 1: Well, now here's one thing we all agree on that

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Speaker 1: this idea of these meat substitutes was atrocious and now

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Speaker 1: the failure is cataclysmic. Let me just read you this

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Speaker 1: beyond Meat went public in twenty nineteen. At the time,

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Speaker 1: the company was worth more than fourteen billion. Do you

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Speaker 1: know how much it was worth on Friday Hunch eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven million dollars. That is a ninety

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Speaker 1: five percent collapse. Cause whatever they were serving tasted terrible.

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Speaker 1: Now you never touched those fake meats. I did. I

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Speaker 1: went to Carls Junior and had one of them. I

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Speaker 1: think it was beyond meat. Did it suck? It did

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Speaker 1: not suck, but it was not impressive, and I said

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Speaker 1: I'd rather stick with the regular burger. Just didn't really

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Speaker 1: there was something kind of slimy about it. And then

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Speaker 1: I think that's the one that has the peas in it,

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Speaker 1: smashed mashed peas and stuff. And I mean it didn't

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Speaker 1: taste really bad. It just did not notice motivate me.

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Speaker 1: And I say this a lot about restaurants. You want

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Speaker 1: to come back here, you don't want to come back here?

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Speaker 1: Or are you neutral? And in that case, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not coming back for this. It was just, well,

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Speaker 1: you're not alone, not a motivator beyond me. It shares

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Speaker 1: have fallen ninety five percent over the last four years.

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Speaker 1: Now nobody's nobody wants to bet any money on this

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Speaker 1: because the product sucks.

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Speaker 6: An They talked to an agricultural economics professor at UC

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Speaker 6: Davis who says, part of the problem here is the

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Speaker 6: way that they marketed this like it was going to

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Speaker 6: cure all that.

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Speaker 1: And this is what you mocked when I first talked

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Speaker 1: about this a few minutes ago, that they were trying

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Speaker 1: to tell people you can get all the flavor and

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Speaker 1: joy of eating meat without the harmful effects of eating meat.

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Speaker 1: And he said they oversold it. They really gave people

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Speaker 1: a bag of crap.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Here it is Deborah Mark. Americans eat about three burgers

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Speaker 1: a week of God's above the.

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Speaker 5: Act exactly three times a week versus six or seven.

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Speaker 5: That's a big difference.

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Speaker 1: I'm above averaging many ways, not just my medium. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but this is this is one hysterical blog post from

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Americans eat three burgers a week about but

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Speaker 1: if they switched just one of those beef burgers to

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Speaker 1: a Beyond Burger for a year, that's like taking that's

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Speaker 1: too funny. That's like taking twelve million cars off the

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Speaker 1: road for an entire year. The company wrote that in

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Speaker 1: a blog post in twenty nineteen, because again, part of

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Speaker 1: this was also about saving the planet because the beef

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Speaker 1: uses water and energy and those things. The thing I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that. I think they made up that statistic.

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Speaker 1: That makes no sense. Why would that's that's absurd. Well,

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Speaker 1: and I think they mean all Americans, So all the

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Speaker 1: Americans to eat about three burgers a week if they

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Speaker 1: cut back too, it couldn't be one American who cuts

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Speaker 1: back to do burgers. If we can just completely change humanity.

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Speaker 5: Try a quen Wah burger.

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Speaker 1: When I understand what quen wa is, I honestly don't.

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Speaker 5: I had a quen Wah salad yesterday. It's delicious, it's

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Speaker 5: full of protein. It's it's like a grain, but it

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Speaker 5: has a lot of protein, and oh my gosh, if

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Speaker 5: you have fried quen wa, it tastes so good. But

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Speaker 5: I have had quen Wah burgers because I don't. I

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Speaker 5: don't eat the fake meat. And no, it doesn't taste

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Speaker 5: like a burger because I don't want the taste of

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Speaker 5: a burger. But it's amazing and you get a lot

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Speaker 5: of protein.

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Speaker 1: So don't call it a burger. Well, why did they insist?

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Speaker 1: I'm calling it just.

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Speaker 5: Like, Okay, we're going to go back to the cocon.

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Speaker 1: They put it on the grill that's in the shape

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Speaker 1: of a burger, so it has kind of that whole Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I know they're trying to fool people, That's what they're

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Speaker 1: trying to do. I've been disappointed by most alternative burgers

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Speaker 1: and veggie burgers. The only one I ever had, and

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before is Houston's Restaurant had one, and

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Speaker 1: I forget what they put in it, but it had

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Speaker 1: that grilled charred flavor or two, which is what made

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Speaker 1: it extraordinard. I'm not interested in this. I'm not interested

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Speaker 1: in taking twelve million cars off the road. Really, I

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Speaker 1: want to live my line. I don't think they understand

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Speaker 1: how burned out most people are by this stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: just all right, speaking of burned out, we'll be at

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Speaker 1: the Gavin Newsom is maybe sort of possibly running for

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Speaker 1: president desk. He did do this interview with Fox News

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