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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you do.

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Speaker 1: You'd come on my show and talk about the first

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Speaker 1: give a huge, fired up pep talk for all the listeners.

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Speaker 1: Join me with Evan Hayfer, CEO of Black Rifle Coffee Company,

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Speaker 1: this week on the David Rutherford Show. All right, everybody,

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you there's probably five people in

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Speaker 1: things that enable me to kind of reevaluate my life,

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Speaker 2: So, Evan brother, is so good to see your face. Man.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, man? I'm doing great. Your Your introductions

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Speaker 3: Dave and I like just to explain to people we

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Speaker 3: have like these very deep philosophical conversations that at times,

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Speaker 3: So I'm super happy. One. I'm super happy, and I

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: the cartels have in the Mexican government, how much and

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Speaker 1: you know, influence do they have? How many cartel leaders

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Speaker 1: actually own predominant legitimate.

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Speaker 2: Businesses in Mexico? And you know, I don't.

436
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just and then you know the collapse

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Speaker 1: and what that looks like. I mean, obviously there's still

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Speaker 1: a market, maybe the market moves and goes in a

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Speaker 1: different direction you're or Southeast Asia. But but now it's

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Speaker 1: it's the market's cut in half. Now there's going to

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Speaker 1: be these civil wars that emerge, which we're that we

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Speaker 1: already saw what five six years ago. I remember Lara

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Speaker 1: Logan being down on the border and being on the

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Speaker 1: top of a roof and the I forget the Homeland

445
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Speaker 1: guy she was with, is there's a full firefight going on,

446
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Speaker 1: you know in the town right, Oh, you know, And

447
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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's good for people to hear,

448
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Speaker 1: you know, that kind of distilling down to hey, you

449
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Speaker 1: got to focus on the on the bigger things first.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I think that's part of it, right, But

451
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Speaker 3: there's also kind of what I would say is a

452
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Speaker 3: physics truth, which is energy begets energy, So violent energy

453
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Speaker 3: begets violent energy. And so the more we plug in

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Speaker 3: with violent energy, quite possibly, the more violent energy we're

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Speaker 3: gonna have to face here. So what my biggest concern

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Speaker 3: is is that violent energy conducted across or in you know,

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Speaker 3: South America, Mexico, wherever where we're at, we'll end up

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Speaker 3: here in affecting civilians and that would be the wrong

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Speaker 3: equation for us to not play out from a second

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Speaker 3: and third order effect. So protect the protect the borders,

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Speaker 3: protect people. What I would say is bad actors from

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Speaker 3: entering the country itself, go to work on their economy

463
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Speaker 3: to collapse. They're essentially the pillars of the cornerstone of

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Speaker 3: the legal activity or the black market. And then of

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Speaker 3: course there's going to have to be I think a

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Speaker 3: kinetic environment in there too. But we do have to

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Speaker 3: protect the homeland and make sure that we don't start

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Speaker 3: that too early because we don't want the What I

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Speaker 3: would say is the violence spillover to affect innocent American

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Speaker 3: lives here.

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Speaker 2: That would be I think that that's genius.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a legitimate, well thought out evaluation

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Speaker 1: is and that hopefully gives people a little bit of

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Speaker 1: pause to say, oh, yeah, we're going to go to

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Speaker 1: the war with the cartels, but it's all going to

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Speaker 1: be in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a brilliant way to.

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Speaker 1: Kind of put people back in a position where they

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Speaker 1: can think a little bit more critically about it. For me,

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Speaker 1: you know, the thing is is, yeah, we've had what

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Speaker 1: roughly one hundred thousand plus deaths from fatanyl every year

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Speaker 1: since COVID, right, more deaths than World War two. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's the craziest number number one thing killing young people

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Speaker 1: eighteen to you know what twenty six or twenty nine

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Speaker 1: or something like that, and just reacin have it well.

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Speaker 2: And this is.

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Speaker 1: Something that I think you and I are always focused on, man,

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Speaker 1: every time that I'm around you or with you, we

489
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Speaker 1: always kind of go towards this idea.

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Speaker 2: Is that young men.

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Speaker 1: Right now, right, they're with kind of the the lack

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Speaker 1: of courage, I think, or and that's not all on themselves.

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Speaker 1: It's I think a lot of it's been driven out

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Speaker 1: of them for a whole different types of social issues.

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Speaker 1: But like you know, we stop that those draws uggs, right,

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Speaker 1: we get those young men you know, out of drugs,

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Speaker 1: out or access to drugs, and then then it's like okay,

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Speaker 1: now it's cool to go back into military again, and

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Speaker 1: all right, or go to law enforcement. Let's like law

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Speaker 1: enforcements looking good again too. Let's let's, you know, take

501
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Speaker 1: the handcuffs off them, let them do those jobs.

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Speaker 2: We still have the challenges with a lot of.

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Speaker 1: DA's, but you know, this, this gap, I think for us,

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Speaker 1: provides this wonderful opportunity, in particular for young men to

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Speaker 1: start to say, all right, man, now I can I

506
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Speaker 1: can get my mojo back. Now I can, I can start,

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Speaker 1: I can start going. So in your mind, you know what,

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Speaker 1: where does that courage begin to re emerge in young

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Speaker 1: men right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it kind of starts with It starts

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Speaker 3: with the country. It starts with our leaders. They have

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Speaker 3: to earn trust back that they're not going to put

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Speaker 3: guys like you and I and endless war for Darthur

514
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Speaker 3: Brum and Raytheon and Haliburton number one. Uh, you got

515
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Speaker 3: to earn back trust that we're just going to flippidly

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Speaker 3: send are our children now right? Our children off to

517
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Speaker 3: wars for profit? Because I kind of I distill different

518
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Speaker 3: things now down to like simple truths, which is, there

519
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Speaker 3: are wars of choice, and there are wars of maintaining sovereignty,

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Speaker 3: which is that in those you don't have a choice.

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Speaker 3: You have to maintain the sovereignty of the country. So

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Speaker 3: when you have a war of choice, which is one

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Speaker 3: of the issues that we've seen over the last several decades,

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Speaker 3: because these these are wars that we have fought based

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Speaker 3: on we've decided or somebody the decider decided right, right,

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Speaker 3: they We're going to send young men and women off

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Speaker 3: to die in foreign countries with no success criteria. There's

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Speaker 3: quite literally a negative strategic gain in the long term

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Speaker 3: effects of it. So it starts with a clear understanding

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Speaker 3: and really you have to have leaders that are not

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Speaker 3: willing to what I would say is squander courage because

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Speaker 3: it's the It is the most precious thing that I

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Speaker 3: think men can encompass embody and ultimately utilize in their life.

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Speaker 3: Like being a courageous man is I think one of

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Speaker 3: the finest virtues. Quite possibly. I don't know if you

536
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Speaker 3: can be wise without being courageous, To be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I think it's kind of a foundational element. But service

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Speaker 3: to our country should never be squandered by our leaders.

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Speaker 3: And what I've consistently had a hard time with over

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Speaker 3: and over is that did our leaders actually have us

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Speaker 3: the best our interests and did they did they sacrifice

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Speaker 3: our courage and our time and our lives because of

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Speaker 3: a personal interest or belief. So I definitely had this

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Speaker 3: issue with a lot of the neocons that got us

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Speaker 3: into Iraq because I've spent a huge percentage of my

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Speaker 3: time in Iraq. You know, I don't think guys like

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Speaker 3: Paul Wolfowitz, w Cheney, Rumsfeld Runny, I don't like first

548
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Speaker 3: and foremost, I think you have to be a man

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Speaker 3: of courage in order to send men off to die.

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Speaker 3: Like so, I think there's a distinct tunes. I think

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Speaker 3: there's a distinct difference between you know, people like to

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Speaker 3: pull back in history and look at different men and

553
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Speaker 3: women both actually that have made decisions to send people

554
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Speaker 3: off to die for our country or a cause. And

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Speaker 3: like there's very distinct differences between Vietnam and World War Two, Iraq,

556
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Speaker 3: Afghanistan and World War Two. I mean, we can't continue

557
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Speaker 3: to rest America's image on the sacrifice of the men

558
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Speaker 3: in World War Two. That was a choice. We didn't

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Speaker 3: have a choice. That was a war of national sovereignty.

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Speaker 3: We had to maintain our national sovereignty, and the men

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Speaker 3: that were leading us through those times I mean even

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Speaker 3: if you look at you know, Truman for the back half.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Truman was a decorated World War One veteran,

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Speaker 3: you know, post that in the Cold War, I mean

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Speaker 3: Eisenhower obviously led the Allied invasion. Winston Churchill, like, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if there was a there was a time

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Speaker 3: in his life leading into World War Two that that

568
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: guy wasn't giving a speech that was directly at a

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Speaker 3: front to the Nazi encroachment on civil liberties and the

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Speaker 3: Western world. Right. So he was a man of courage,

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Speaker 3: not only physically he had personified courage as a soldier,

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Speaker 3: but then he did it every day through his speeches,

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Speaker 3: through his acts of virtue. And I'm not lyingizing anyone.

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Speaker 3: Everybody has their faults. We're all human, right, So you're

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Speaker 3: not saying they're perfect. Everyone is flawed. But I don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily know if the man that sent us to these

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Speaker 3: wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were men of courage and

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Speaker 3: women of courage. I think from a theoretical academic thought process,

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Speaker 3: they like wolf of Witz is an extremely intelligent guy,

580
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Speaker 3: but I don't think they actually they don't understand the

581
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Speaker 3: real sacrifice, nor did they they didn't understand the Middle East.

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00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: They didn't understand Iraq, and they didn't they don't have

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Speaker 3: the tangible experience of the blood and sacrifice of men

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Speaker 3: in the sands of a foreign country to really understand

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Speaker 3: what they were doing. They didn't truly understand it. So

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Speaker 3: I think you have to real back trust gave. Like

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Speaker 3: number one, You're not going to send people off to

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Speaker 3: die in a dumb, fucking war.

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Speaker 2: And that's what scares the hell out of me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're paying attention to it like

591
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Speaker 1: I do, but you know, now all of a sudden,

592
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Speaker 1: it's like you start to see those old school mentalities

593
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Speaker 1: start to you know, move that radical and where is

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Speaker 1: it going. It's right back on Iran, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get your thoughts. So let's you know,

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Speaker 1: if if some I mean I don't think it's a stretch,

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Speaker 1: but if if something begins to turn the tides of

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Speaker 1: you know, the the administrative focus towards recognizing that Iran

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Speaker 1: as a threat or whatever, and we get into a

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Speaker 1: kinetic war with them, it's not going to be like

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Speaker 1: any of the other ones. I mean, this one's going

602
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Speaker 1: to be could be devastating and has grander implications globally

603
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: as well too. But what I see in my head

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Speaker 1: as I see another, you know, three million American kids,

605
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Speaker 1: at least in their minds, are going to Roger up

606
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Speaker 1: and go fight over and and the deserts of of

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Speaker 1: southern Iran and Iraq, and you know over in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's madness to me. But there's

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Speaker 1: a sensation that I think is building that that's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you think that that might be true?

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Speaker 1: But there's a sensation that I think is building that

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Speaker 1: that's a possibility. Do you do you think that that

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Speaker 1: might be true?

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Speaker 3: I've learned over you know, the last couple of decades,

615
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Speaker 3: and never question the arrogance, their stupidity of our political leadership, which, like,

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Speaker 3: to be quite honest with you, I mean I I

617
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Speaker 3: I want to anytime now I hear the drum beats

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Speaker 3: of war, I am highly skeptical. And the first question

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Speaker 3: I have to ask is is this a war of necessity? Will? Will?

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Speaker 3: Does Iran have the capacity to eliminate our national sovereignty?

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Speaker 3: The answer is no, absolutely not no. So that's the

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Speaker 3: number one principle of having what I would what I

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Speaker 3: what I would define as a virtuous war, because you

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Speaker 3: don't have a choice. When you have a choice, and

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that every Like, there's a difference between

626
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Speaker 3: having a position and a strategic interest in eliminating threats

627
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 3: to the United States. That's not necessarily a hot war

628
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 3: against another nation state, Right, that's pursuing people that have

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Speaker 3: a a that are affecting your national security and ultimately

630
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Speaker 3: your economic interest internationally. That's not like getting yourself into

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Speaker 3: a hot war with what is it, the third largest

632
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Speaker 3: army in the in the world. We have we I

633
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Speaker 3: think there are a lot of different options out there

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Speaker 3: that we could exhaust before this went into some type

635
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Speaker 3: of hot war exchange. I think it would be extremely detrimental. One.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if the American public can handle another war, right,

637
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: I mean, we've been at war, but we just ended

638
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: the Afghan War after twenty plus years, Like to go

639
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: to Iran would be I think it would be a

640
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 3: really big mistake.

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Speaker 1: I really, I just I mean for me on a

642
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: personal level, it's like every every outcome is the antithesis

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Speaker 1: of what the outcome that I was.

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Speaker 2: Led to believe was going to be.

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Speaker 1: The outcome, right, all of them, and you can go

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can go back, you know, I mean

647
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Speaker 1: Vietnam even before that, I mean probably, I mean, and

648
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Speaker 1: it's like.

649
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: Now you're trying to pitch us another one.

650
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Speaker 1: And I because you know, as I've shared with you deeply,

651
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: like one of my greatest concerns is that we have

652
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: squandered that eternal flame of courage in young men and

653
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: and this could break the will completely.

654
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: You know. It's it's interesting.

655
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: I've left watching the like Johnny on the Street interviews

656
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: and all that, and I recently watched one of of

657
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: of somebody over in England, right, and they were it's

658
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: when Starmer was you know, projecting, you know, America's leaving

659
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: Ukraine behind and WEENI as Englishmen need to get behind this,

660
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: and you know, they were saying we're out a little bit,

661
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: like we're gonna put boots on the ground and that

662
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: type of thing. And this guy was on the street

663
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, do you believe in what Starmer's position? Oh?

664
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, his position Ukraine is great?

665
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: All right? Would you would you sign up as soon

666
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: as they declared war and go, well, you know what

667
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Well, you know that's not technically happening. So

668
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: but but so, you know, I still think America, you know,

669
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: American men are the greatest fighters on a planet.

670
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: I think they always will be.

671
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: However, if you trick them again and you put these

672
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: young lads, you know, in one more time, I mean,

673
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, there are catastrophic consequences that inevitably will come

674
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: when the when the crux of the majority of the

675
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: people you're counting on to project that power no longer

676
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: feel uh uh, what is it feel that sense of

677
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: imbued patriotism to go fight, wage whatever war they ask

678
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: us to do again.

679
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think you know, love for country

680
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 3: is wine trust, Right, It's like love and trust. I think,

681
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: really they're they're where they're they're honestly built on each other. Right,

682
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: So the foundation of our love for our families and

683
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: our wives and is built on the fact that especially

684
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: I think when we're talking about our wives, right, it's

685
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: like trust, right, respect trust. To have a profound amount

686
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: of patriotism, you also have to have a profound amount

687
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 3: of trust in your political officials, your elected officials. And

688
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: if we go to war again, I just I see

689
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: that as it's completely eroding the trust in our elected officials,

690
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: because whether or not you can thoroughly intellectualize something doesn't

691
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: mean you can't feel it. Because I don't know about you,

692
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: but after a few years in Iraq, I could feel it.

693
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: I can't like articulate. I was still trying to like

694
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: really provide myself the the what I would say is

695
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: the intellectual effort to try to like keep keeping the

696
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: fight right where I think that there's a significant amount

697
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 3: of there's been a significant amount of trust lost, and

698
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I just don't see a world

699
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: where we can do this again without sacrifice. Seeing the

700
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: trust within our fellow countrymen, especially the new generational war fighters,

701
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: like this might to your point, this might be the

702
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: death nail of being able to recruit people into the

703
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: military because there will be a complete deterioration of trust

704
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: within the American political system.

705
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: Aymn, wow, unbelievable.

706
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Speaker 1: All right, last question for you before and then we

707
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: will I do have one more patriot question for everybody

708
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: after that, but that's a fun one, so I'll get

709
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: fun and serious.

710
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 2: But this is the last question.

711
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 3: All right.

712
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: Obviously, you know you run a public company.

713
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: The whole tariffs thing, we had a really brilliant young economist.

714
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: On the other day, guy was really smart, talked about

715
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: on shoring up seven percent year over year, talked about

716
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: how actually the economy is doing really good, you know,

717
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: and that tariffs was just you know, one more thing

718
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: what the old guard media is trying to light up

719
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: to destroy any semblance of success within the Trump administration.

720
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: As a person that is highly engaged in in in

721
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: the American economy, you know, are you are you pleased

722
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: with where we're going right now in the economy and

723
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, where do you see uh the economy going

724
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: and you know the next six months to a year?

725
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, I am. I am pleased

726
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: that we're having some type of what I would say

727
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: is a balancing conditions between other countries and import export,

728
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: and specifically in tariffs, like we have to make it.

729
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: What I would say is we have to have the

730
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: appropriate economic incentives to encourage businesses and small businesses to

731
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: keep manufacturing and hire people within it Like the United States,

732
00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,240
Speaker 3: we have to and you know, we've had such a

733
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: long run of outshore or offshoring a lot of the

734
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: industries too, specifically to one of our greatest strategic threats,

735
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: I mean China, which doesn't make any sense by the way,

736
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: like there's no there's a reality I think that we

737
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: could all live in where we're The only reality I

738
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: can figure out is like, okay, there's a codependency economically

739
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 3: from the two main military superpowers in the world. Well okay,

740
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: well now if we decouple those, then we'll both collapse

741
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 3: our economies, which nobody would want to do, right, but

742
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: just based on the fact that like humans mostly like

743
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: they do want economic security on both sides. So to

744
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: be a political zealot, whether you're a communist or a democrat,

745
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: it would also mean a forfeiture of some type of

746
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: your political ideology that in that regard. So it's not

747
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: only economic, but it's also political, and they're tiede The

748
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: thing that I see is there does have to be

749
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: a balance. And one of the greatest things that I

750
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 3: think we've been able to do over the last three

751
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: months is now we have a really complex conversation around

752
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: what do these mean? What is it reciprocity as far

753
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: as like tariffs from China to terifs in the United States,

754
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: tariffs internationally, how do we need to look at them?

755
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: But really I think the macro conversation is how do

756
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: we directly support in economically encourage Americans to be in

757
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: these manufacturing jobs and or these jobs that we've traditionally

758
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: in the last several decades outsourced to other countries, because

759
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: it not only protects the country economically if we maintain

760
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: our logistics in our supply chain within the borders, because

761
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: as we saw during COVID, when the borders shut down

762
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: and we don't actually have a stable supply chain, it

763
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: directly affects our economy. And if we think back to

764
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: the four five trillion dollars that we had to that

765
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: we reinjected or rejected back into the American economy to

766
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: artificially prop it up over the course of COVID, we

767
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: should have learned a few things over that, which is,

768
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 3: there are a few things that we really have to

769
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: just make bomb proof from a supply chain, logistics and

770
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: manufacturing capacity. We have to maintain for national security some

771
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: form of assemblance of our supply chain and tech technology

772
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: manufacturing we do like we just have to do from

773
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 3: a strategic interest perspective. Economically, it makes us more powerful

774
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 3: because now we can start to export more and we

775
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: were more competitive in the international workforce or international workplace economy.

776
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 3: But from an individual level, I'm highly encouraged by it. Yes,

777
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 3: I understand that coffee prices are going to go up

778
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 3: based on the impact got it. Okay, coffee has been

779
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 3: underpriced for fifty years. Wow, it was at its lowest

780
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: point like like last year in modern history. And we're

781
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: consuming more coffee than we ever have, and yet the

782
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: coffee prices are low. And a lot of that is

783
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: built on the type of farming that is being conducted

784
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: in Brazil for mass manufacturing of agriculture products, specific with

785
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: coffee is driving down artificially driving down the price. So

786
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 3: if we have to pay a little bit more for coffee,

787
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: I mean people walk into coffee shops around the United

788
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: States and pay four dollars every day for drip coffee.

789
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: Typically Okay, well you get a lot more than you know,

790
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: for a ten to twelve dollars back of coffee, you

791
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: can have eighteen to twenty cups of coffee, right, So

792
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: that just means that you have to shift your purchasing

793
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: behavior because if you're going to four to five dollars

794
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: drip coffee and you've got to pay an extra dollar

795
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: in the grocery store to stabilize and reinforce what I

796
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: would say is an appropriate strategically a lined supply chain

797
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: that maintains our sovereignty. Like, that's important. So I think

798
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: it's economically of interest in the United States. I also

799
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: think it dovetails directly into maintaining your national sovereignty. So

800
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: I am highly encouraged that this tariff conversation will one

801
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: at least start the multi country debate and we're going

802
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: to land in a much better spot in this negotiation.

803
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: Awesome, man, I love to hear you talk about it. Man.

804
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, man, when you start to think

805
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: about commodities and you start to think about how integrated

806
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: they are into the purchasing mindset of everyday life. Right,

807
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: Coffees at the pinnacle of them, right, And I mean,

808
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I just to see the way you're

809
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: able to summarize it and expand on it on a

810
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: for a grander economic stability, it's really cool and sate

811
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that, buddy.

812
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: To add one more thing to that, I think we

813
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: should always be thinking about our national security and our

814
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: strategic interest as well as our economic interests. Right, So

815
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: it's just kind of always been a head scratcher of

816
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: the last twenty years. Why we have been so We've

817
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 3: capitulated so much of our economics to China, and we've

818
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: ultimately directly contributed to the build of their economy, which

819
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: then lends itself to them having a larger military and

820
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: a much bigger military scope and more strategic authority that

821
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: is directly misaligned with our long term strategic goals. So

822
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: why are we outsourcing big economic pieces of our big

823
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: pieces of our our economic condition in America to our

824
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 3: stratetrategic foe. That to me, even if we just look

825
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: at like, let's just cut the world in half and

826
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: at this hemisphere for like two minutes, Okay, if we

827
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: just look at like Mexico, if we were actively encouraging

828
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: industry in Mexico, would we have such a border crisis?

829
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: If there was more economic mobility and advancement, if people

830
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: had opportunities to go to work and high paying manufacturing

831
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: jobs just in Mexico, would there be such a border crisis?

832
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: I think not. Listen, I'm not an economist. I'm just

833
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: kind of a guy that, like, you know, roast coffee

834
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: and hire a few people like I can pontificate about

835
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: this all day long. But if you have more economic mobility,

836
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: more jobs within our own hemisphere, now we don't have

837
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: to ship those jobs and our supply chain of manufacturing

838
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 3: out to our most strategic fuff like that to me,

839
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 3: seems it's easier to get goods in and out. We're

840
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 3: aligned with the people that we're sharing our borders with.

841
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: From a national security perspective, they're not our enemies. Okay,

842
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: there's more to gain from building even what I would

843
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: say is is is not only internal economics, but also

844
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: making economically advantageous for our friends to do business with us,

845
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: not any that.

846
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: I think that's the the key to a global success

847
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: as it is, right, I think the real, the real

848
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: thing is what I'm a big supporter of, is Hey,

849
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: let's just make it more more fair. Right, Let's let's

850
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: enable it's enable our goods and services to have a

851
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: much more competitive edge around the world and instead of

852
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: just being the overall consumer of all things. And I

853
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing that, man, I think that really

854
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: helps people because I know when I'm on the road obviously,

855
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, I just spent a couple of days up

856
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. I talked to probably I don't know,

857
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: maybe like four hundred people in two days and had

858
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: some really amazing conversations with these these advisors who are

859
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the conversations they're having with their people,

860
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: with the people that you know are have invested in

861
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: they are, they're they're managing their portfolios. And it's like

862
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: last week or whenever, you know, when the tariff thing

863
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Speaker 1: hit and the market dumped, like people were losing their

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Speaker 1: fricking minds because they aren't thinking about it in the

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Speaker 1: in the scope that you just described it as. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly valuable. I think, you know, even

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Speaker 1: though you are, you know, just kind of an old

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Speaker 1: knuckle dragon coffee guy, I think your your wisdom does

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Speaker 1: have an impact for people.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for sharing that.

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Speaker 3: Buddy of mine, he always gives me this advice. He's like,

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Speaker 3: take a deep breath. Things are never as good or

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Speaker 3: as bad as you think they are. And it's like

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Speaker 3: this whole conversation last week that like the economy went

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Speaker 3: up and down, you're on a roller coaster ride, and

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Speaker 3: it's like, okay, take a deep breath, Like, okay, what's

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Speaker 3: in the long term? And I think that was the

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Speaker 3: uh you know part of the narrative, which is, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's some short term pain for some long term benefit

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Speaker 3: and what what do you say? You think you got

881
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Speaker 3: to take your medicine a little bit and like, hey,

882
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Speaker 3: he didn't get us here, by the way, Like this

883
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Speaker 3: was a series of different presidents starting at Nixon that

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Speaker 3: ultimately landed us here. So like, you know, don't kill

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Speaker 3: the messenger when that's kay, listen, this is this is

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Speaker 3: for the long term good.

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Speaker 2: For for your children or for your grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the way.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I'm constantly framing this whole thing is like, man,

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Speaker 1: is the pain right now going to benefit for the

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Speaker 1: positives of my children when they're out there starting businesses,

893
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Speaker 1: joining the military, working for a corporation, you know, uh,

894
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Speaker 1: poorn coffee, whatever it is. Man, how do we set

895
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Speaker 1: it up for them? That's that's our you know, we're

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Speaker 1: the stewards of the future, right and it's I think

897
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Speaker 1: it's just critical that that everybody understands and takes that

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Speaker 1: on their backs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Man, you can't. You can't saddle the future with thirty

901
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Speaker 3: five trillion dollars a deck, like you just can't do

902
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Speaker 3: it like that's it's it's immoral for us not to

903
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Speaker 3: do something about it, and ultimately that could be our

904
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Speaker 3: greatest act of courage, is like going to work making

905
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Speaker 3: sure that we don't saddle our the next generations with

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Speaker 3: so much debt that they're going to spend half their

907
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Speaker 3: lives working for the federal government. That's because we chose

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Speaker 3: to loan money at the tune of trillions of dollars,

909
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Speaker 3: because we can balance a budget and we can stop

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Speaker 3: fraudulent spending. Right, like these are just like you know,

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Speaker 3: I calculated it a while back. There's we'll call it

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Speaker 3: fifteen trillion dollars just between the Global War on Terror

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Speaker 3: and COVID. Right, So we started the g WATT at

914
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Speaker 3: just about five trillion dollars in debt, and then we

915
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Speaker 3: exited Afghanistan with the thirty four trillion dollars in debt.

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Speaker 3: So like all of those trillions of dollars and none

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Speaker 3: of which was was spent on building American infrastructure, you know,

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Speaker 3: rebuilding our education or high speed railways or I could

919
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Speaker 3: think of like a thousand different initiatives. Quite we would

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Speaker 3: have been more of an economic advantage than like synking

921
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Speaker 3: it into the soil in Central Asia or the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: I agree, brother, I agree, dude. Love seeing your face. Man,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: till the next time. I promise you.

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Speaker 2: Next time it's going to be with you out there,

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Speaker 2: all right, Buddies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come out anytime. Dave.

928
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Speaker 2: You know I love you, Boddy, love you too, Man,

929
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Speaker 2: God bless you, brother. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: The following is a preview for additional content only available

931
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Speaker 1: on Patreon. One of the things that we're hoping on

932
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Speaker 1: Patreon that we can do for everybody, especially the young

933
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Speaker 1: people that are coming, is just give them some little

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Speaker 1: bit of wisdom.

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Speaker 3: And so there's two main things that I want.

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Speaker 2: I would love it if you could just kind of.

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Speaker 1: Just pontificate a little bit more on is is one,

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Speaker 1: where can people find courage in themselves? Like, what are

939
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Speaker 1: the activities, what are the things, what can they read?

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Speaker 1: What are the the basics right that that invoke a

941
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Speaker 1: grander sense of being courageous? Right.

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Speaker 2: That's the first half.

943
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Speaker 1: And then the second half is once they discover it,

944
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Speaker 1: once they start to feel it, how can then they

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Speaker 1: invest that courage into something tangible that that that validates

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Speaker 1: the effort itself, that that that continue, that allows the

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Speaker 1: courage to continue.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. You know, you and I have

949
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Speaker 3: talked about this a lot, so a lot of things

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Speaker 3: come to mind, which is there's a falsehood that's kind

951
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Speaker 3: of built on Hollywood that you know, people just average

952
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Speaker 3: joke and like roll out of bed, their feet hit

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Speaker 3: the floor, and then there all of a sudden going

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Speaker 3: to become courage they're courageous, and that just doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: It's a practiced art, it's a lifetime endeavor and it

956
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Speaker 3: never ends. Actually, so you have to kind of sign

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Speaker 3: yourself up for the individual work that is going to

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Speaker 3: last for the rest of your life. Because I used

959
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Speaker 3: to talk about this, you know, twenty years ago. You

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Speaker 3: have to seek out challenges that intentionally drive fear back

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Speaker 3: into your heart, and then you have to pursue those

962
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Speaker 3: things with practice, discipline, organized effort, and you have to

963
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Speaker 3: work through the problem in a very methodical crawl, quall, lock,

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Speaker 3: run phase. And then you have to practice being scared, which.

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Speaker 1: Is to hear the rest of this incredible interview with

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Speaker 1: my great friend Evan Hayfer, go over to our Patreon

967
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: site where you can hear us talk a lot about

968
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Speaker 1: some ideas that will enhance courage and really propel you

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Speaker 1: to find your purpose in life.

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Speaker 2: Also, we really want.

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Speaker 1: To announce on May thirty first, We're going to have

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Speaker 1: a live motivational event, an hour of discussing the whole

973
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Speaker 1: core concepts behind.

974
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Speaker 2: What I've learned over the last thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll open it up to an hour long Q

976
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Speaker 1: and A where you can ask me anything you want

977
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Speaker 1: about motivation, performance, and all of the other topics that

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Speaker 1: I've been working on for a.

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Speaker 2: Long, long time.

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Speaker 1: Join us for two dollars a month on our Patreon

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Speaker 1: at David Rutherford Show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.