WEBVTT - Brock Bowers plus five other guys

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<v Speaker 1>broken down all the other meaningful positions. We just have

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<v Speaker 1>tight ends left, yeah, and we've got an amazing one

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<v Speaker 1>in Brock Bauers. You and I talked about Brock going

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<v Speaker 1>back a whole year and how he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a lottery pick player, and we knew it last year.

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<v Speaker 1>He did nothing in his senior not a senior junior?

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<v Speaker 3>Is he a junior junior junior year?

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<v Speaker 1>To change anybody's mind here, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Think no, no, Yeah, And a guy that led Georgia

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<v Speaker 4>and receiving yards two of his three seasons. Of course,

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<v Speaker 4>Georgia won the national title in two of those years, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Not only that, you know, we call him an offensive weapon.

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<v Speaker 4>Kirby Smart said if they had used him at running back,

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<v Speaker 4>Bowers would have been their best running back as well.

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<v Speaker 4>All that, and you know, they just figured out all

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<v Speaker 4>these kind of ways to manufacture touches for him, whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's out wide, whether it was in the slot, whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's uh you know, in line, whether they shifted him

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<v Speaker 4>into the backfield and they would do end rounds with

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<v Speaker 4>him like a Deebo Samuel at tight end sort of

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<v Speaker 4>a thing, the creative usage, and that is going to

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<v Speaker 4>continue at the NFL level. Great athlete obviously, the speed

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<v Speaker 4>and direct change of direction are both elite, super duper

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<v Speaker 4>skilled receiver. He was charted with a couple of drops

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<v Speaker 4>on PFF and both of the ones were Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 4>it was like balls were anyone else, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>they would have given him drops like reeling out. But

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<v Speaker 4>the standards for him are higher, there's yeah, they absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>are because he can get to you know. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>back in the day, was like Ozzie Smith because he

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<v Speaker 4>had such great range. Football clanged off into his If

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<v Speaker 4>someone else wouldn't have got to, they would have given

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<v Speaker 4>him an error on it. But yeah, super duper dangerous

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<v Speaker 4>with the ball in his hands, and he facilitates that

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<v Speaker 4>with the route running machinations before that. He has an

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<v Speaker 4>eye for detail with that, and then he becomes the

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<v Speaker 4>broken tackle machine speed when he has that ball in

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<v Speaker 4>his hands. So that's why they Kirby smart and that

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<v Speaker 4>staff went to those lengths to manufacture opportunities for him

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<v Speaker 4>to get the ball on his hands because he had

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<v Speaker 4>that speed, he has the agility, he has the power.

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<v Speaker 4>He also is a decent blocker, you know what that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean he gets after it for sure. He does

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<v Speaker 4>not take plays off. Of course, you know his size

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<v Speaker 4>six three two forty three, there's gonna be some guys

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<v Speaker 4>that can overpower him. But especially in space, he'll take

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<v Speaker 4>care of who you need him to take care of.

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<v Speaker 4>Very very very good player. And of course he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to go somewhere in the top fifteen, a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>fluid right now where that that eventual landing spot is.

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<v Speaker 4>But wherever he goes, it's going to be the same

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<v Speaker 4>thing that you saw at Georgia. They will figure out

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<v Speaker 4>all kinds of creative ways to manufacture that ball into

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<v Speaker 4>his hands.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about brock Bauers from Georgia and the word

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<v Speaker 1>that I love that gets associated with brock Bauers and

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<v Speaker 1>why I get so excited finisher. He you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>the ball gets in his hands, that's just the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>for him, you know, And that dude is it's like

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<v Speaker 1>all right now, it's game on, you know, And I

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<v Speaker 1>love that about him, and I think that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>why twenty six touchdowns in thirty seven career starts. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know we're talking, you know, point eight touchdowns a game.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for my tight end, I'm really interested in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, with college players, you can tell the really

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<v Speaker 4>elite ones by the way that the defense reacts to

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<v Speaker 4>them and the defensive strategy of the coordinator heading into

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<v Speaker 4>the game. With Georgia games, you would see the enormous

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<v Speaker 4>amount of attention that was paid to Bauer's pre snap

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<v Speaker 4>and then the delineation of coverage resources to him after

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<v Speaker 4>this snap. Sometimes they couldn't stop him anyway, right, but

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<v Speaker 4>this always opened up spacing for the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 4>His teammates I remember when they remember when they slapped

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<v Speaker 4>around TCU in that National title game. TCU, they were

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<v Speaker 4>trying to take Bowers away, but whenever they would wrote

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<v Speaker 4>double team him, it would leave someone open on the

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<v Speaker 4>other side, right, So it's sort of like pick your poison.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, he is just so dangerous and a different

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a tight end too. Let's say than Kyle Pitts,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the last one that wins high as we

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<v Speaker 4>think he's gonna go. Bowers is more that guy like said,

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<v Speaker 4>shift him around. You can do all these different kind

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<v Speaker 4>of things with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Bowers, everybody's got pegged going to the jets at ten. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's a great value at ten. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you could you can make a case from

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<v Speaker 1>going much higher. But it makes sense where he go

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<v Speaker 1>to the jets at ten. Other possible landing spots if

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<v Speaker 1>he slides past the jets Denver could make sense at twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Indy at fifteen, and Seattle. I'm really fascinated by Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>that has not had a meaningful tight end. I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how long it's been. I'm trying to remember

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<v Speaker 1>the last good one. You know, if Seattle at sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I can see them moving up a few spots, that

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<v Speaker 1>will be a.

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<v Speaker 4>Dangerous pass catching corps. You add him to DK and

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<v Speaker 4>lock it into into JSN. I know, right, that's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be a tough one at a defan, wouldn't it be?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle would be fascinating to see if they and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they'd have to move up a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they don't have to move up that much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's one to monitor because because of the the

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you were sort of hitting on the positional

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<v Speaker 4>value the way the NFL sees that, it does open

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<v Speaker 4>up the possibility of a potential quote unquote fall beneath

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<v Speaker 4>where he probably should go. Yeah, And to that point,

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<v Speaker 4>there's that argument about what the franchise take cost per position,

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<v Speaker 4>and so this argument is sort of made against him,

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<v Speaker 4>like the amount of money you're gonna have to give

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<v Speaker 4>him initially it's close to what the franchise take is

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<v Speaker 4>for tight ends. But on the other side of that,

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<v Speaker 4>you could begin franchising brock Bauers once his rookie contractor's

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<v Speaker 4>done and get him for way cheaper than he should

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<v Speaker 4>be on the open market. This guy is more just

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<v Speaker 4>again offensive weapon pass catcher get the ball in his hands,

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<v Speaker 4>than he is comparable apples to apples to other tight ends.

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<v Speaker 1>The Vikings could move down from eleven to sixteen, Seattle

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<v Speaker 1>moves up. Seattle's biggest needs across the offensive line, garden center.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no garden center that should go at sixteen. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>guard maybe, but that's a whole other conversation. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's Brack Bauers.

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<v Speaker 3>We love him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably gonna have an immediate fantasy impact, and in

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<v Speaker 1>any tight end mandatory league. He's somebody that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to be taken early in your dynasty rookie draft

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Let's go down one level, I think, and

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<v Speaker 1>probably one full round down. Ben Senate from Kansas State.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I think you're a little higher on him

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<v Speaker 1>than others as I'm looking at some other grades. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me what you love about Ben Sennett.

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<v Speaker 4>There's and I almost don't even want to evoke this

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<v Speaker 4>name because I love this guy so much last process

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't want to put like that expectation on him.

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<v Speaker 4>But his game reminds me a lot out of Sam Laporta. Boy,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's a very similar frame six four two fifty

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<v Speaker 4>and the RAS nine seven three. You see the athleticism

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<v Speaker 4>with him on the tape, but the similar thing with

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<v Speaker 4>with Laporta, it's the tackle breaking stuff in the lunch

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<v Speaker 4>pale game that he has. He's very skilled at getting

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<v Speaker 4>open right off the get and then when he gets

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<v Speaker 4>that ball in his hands and he turns into the runner,

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<v Speaker 4>he has the agility with the power so he can

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<v Speaker 4>force off angle attempts, ar arm tackle attempts, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>going to run through them like turnstiles. And then He's

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<v Speaker 4>one of those guys who becomes the best friend, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>not only the quarterback in the passing game, but to

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<v Speaker 4>the runners as well.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a vicious blocker.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the guy that you want as the lead guy,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, heading out to.

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<v Speaker 3>The second level, he's going to destroy someone. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the the seek and destroy kind of a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>He sort of seems to savor that aspect of the game.

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<v Speaker 4>Very contact intensive. But yeah, you have a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>of the athleticism there with that lunch pail thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>to the point of why you know he's a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit lower with the consensus. A couple of things. He

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't a belly who had recruit at all. In fact,

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<v Speaker 4>he was totally overlooked. And then his arm length is

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<v Speaker 4>on the shorter end, and that's something the NFL is

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<v Speaker 4>going to. Dingy Fort's this his teammate Cooper Bebe coming

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<v Speaker 4>out was one of the best guards we had in

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<v Speaker 4>college football as a couple of years. But he might

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<v Speaker 4>fall down a little bit because the shorter arms. It's

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<v Speaker 4>the same thing with Senne you know, of my top

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<v Speaker 4>let's see twelve guys, I think he has the shortest

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<v Speaker 4>arms of the tight end class, but the other stuff

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<v Speaker 4>all plays. You have the athleticism, you have the production profile.

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<v Speaker 4>You saw him block in college. You could do all

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of stuff with him. Another guy you can

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<v Speaker 4>shift around the formation. He has plenty of experience in line,

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<v Speaker 4>so you could do that with him. Versatile player, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think he is definitely a fantasy guy, a fantasy

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<v Speaker 4>asset that people need to monitor because of the pass

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<v Speaker 4>catching ability, the athleticism, and then the tackle breaking afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to see Ben Sennett find his way to

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati later in the raft where he could walk right.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't that be glorious?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yep?

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<v Speaker 1>T Higgin's gone. Yeah, And you know, potentially.

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<v Speaker 4>They were a team that we've been pointing at take

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<v Speaker 4>a tight end for a couple of years now, and

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<v Speaker 4>they probably should have done it last last year, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and they might be kicking themselves of why didn't we

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<v Speaker 4>just take Sammy Laporta. And now the next year we

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<v Speaker 4>get into day two because I think Senate's going to

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<v Speaker 4>fall a little bit more than.

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<v Speaker 3>Laport You know, Laporta early round two.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And people out there need to remember during Laporta's process,

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<v Speaker 4>he was ranked where you know, by the media essentially

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<v Speaker 4>where Senate is now. Yeah, so yeah, don't don't use

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<v Speaker 4>that to discount Ben Senen's game at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have Cincinnati's full draft chart in front of me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm assuming they pick they pick eighteenth in the

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<v Speaker 1>first I'm assuming they have their second round pick and

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<v Speaker 1>that they're picking roughly eighteenth in the second. And if

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case, that could be a Ben sinence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would be really interesting. They're at forty nine

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<v Speaker 3>and eighty okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty nine and eighty okay, so forty nine, yeah, forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine totally in player. Yeah, absolutely, so that we'll see. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's uh, let's get one more in before we take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break. Jatavian Sanders from Texas. He's the next

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<v Speaker 1>tight end on your list. I've seen only seven touchdowns

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<v Speaker 1>in thirty nine games. Worries me a little bit because

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<v Speaker 1>I want you I want touchdowns from my tight ends

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<v Speaker 1>if I can get them right.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, those guys are special. Talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's break down his game a little bit. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you like about Jatavian Sanders.

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<v Speaker 4>Jatavian Sanders is a guy that I liked more off

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<v Speaker 4>of film and his work during the season than than

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<v Speaker 4>what I've seen during the draft process. Okay, he did

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<v Speaker 4>not help himself with a five to seven to three rats.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Wow. And the reason why it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's case specific with these tests in the

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<v Speaker 4>athletic profiles. You know, with regards to the prospects, this

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<v Speaker 4>one hurts because Jatavian Sanders can't block.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a he's a big receiver. He's a big

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<v Speaker 3>slot is what he is.

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<v Speaker 4>And you were hoping to see the athleticism becoming of

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<v Speaker 4>that because you know you're not going to deploy him

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<v Speaker 4>as a blocker at the next level. The testing profile

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<v Speaker 4>dragged that down a little bit. Will he still be

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<v Speaker 4>tight end two as he was seen? He was seen

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<v Speaker 4>his tight end two with a bullet coming into the process.

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<v Speaker 4>Will he still be the second tight end take it

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<v Speaker 4>in the draft? I'm not sure about that anymore. But

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<v Speaker 4>he's six foot four two forty five catch first tight end.

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<v Speaker 4>He is skilled, and he's very good down the scene,

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<v Speaker 4>very smooth with that. He has plenty of experience playing

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<v Speaker 4>in line at Texas. But like I said, I would

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<v Speaker 4>not trust that guy to be blocking out of in line.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going to get ragged. All he has to be

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<v Speaker 3>the big slot.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just going to depend on does he have

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<v Speaker 4>the athletic trump cards, does he have an or I

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<v Speaker 4>should say, does he have enough. We know he doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>have the trump cards. Does he have enough athleticism for

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<v Speaker 4>his game to be able to translate one to one

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<v Speaker 4>the receiving aspect of it to the next level. But

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<v Speaker 4>I saw the speed, acceleration, agility on film. He appear

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<v Speaker 4>to move better as a route runner on film than

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<v Speaker 4>he tested. I like his core strength and balance. He

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<v Speaker 4>does not get jarred when he's running his routes. He

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<v Speaker 4>also has a high conversion rate in contested scenarios, which

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<v Speaker 4>I think is important here when you're talking about going

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<v Speaker 4>to that next level when you're facing the elite athletes,

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<v Speaker 4>especially if that's something that he has to overcome.

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<v Speaker 3>He was very good at that.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't break many tackles, but if you hit him

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<v Speaker 4>on the hands in space, he is a yet guy

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<v Speaker 4>because he smoothly transitions from the receiver to the runner,

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<v Speaker 4>thing gets up field, starts running, has pretty good vision.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, he will not be a blocker at the

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<v Speaker 4>next level. He's got to be. He's got to make

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<v Speaker 4>it as a big slot. It's bad sign, bad sign.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in my experience, players who don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>natural fitted at anyone position fail at all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And I would get worried that I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of like the Iowa state wide receiver from like three

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, who they you know, like, was too big

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<v Speaker 1>and slow to be a wide receiver. Butler Keem Butler

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<v Speaker 1>super productive, like all these acrobatic catches and stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was really excited for what I thought could be

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<v Speaker 1>a decent NFL career. But he was a player without

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<v Speaker 1>a position, and I worry that that's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of what we've got with Jatavian Sanders, a player without

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<v Speaker 1>a position for dis guys and a size and skill set.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a break. When we come back.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get to.

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<v Speaker 1>Tight End University, Iowa. H You like Eric all And

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more than some other people. Let's talk about him.

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<v Speaker 1>He started at Michigan ends up but at Iowa. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk through him when we come back. Welcome back, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Charchie and Thor Nystrom with you. You can follow Thor

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter at thor K. You like Kansas University, you

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<v Speaker 1>got it at Paul Charchie in as well, and again

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<v Speaker 1>check out our Discord server. Go to the show notes,

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<v Speaker 1>click on the link there, and or just look for

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<v Speaker 1>Fantasy Football Weekly on Discord. Eric All was I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>three years, four years in Michigan and then left Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like, why do you leave in Michigan, goes

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<v Speaker 1>to Iowed, which is I guess the one place that

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<v Speaker 1>titan could go, or it makes some sense. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>why you like Eric Hall a little bit more than

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<v Speaker 1>some others. I've seen him ranked as low as like ten, eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve and in some rankings, but you're a lot more optimistic.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think he's getting slept on, and it's good

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<v Speaker 4>symmetry to talk about him. Right after we brought up

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<v Speaker 4>Sam Laporta, Eric All was imported to replace Sam Laporta,

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<v Speaker 4>and he went right into the inline spot that Laporta

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<v Speaker 4>had played and then became the same sort of aspect

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<v Speaker 4>of the offense. Of course, Iowa's offense is terrible, and

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<v Speaker 4>right there's funnel a bunch of usage from this terrible

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<v Speaker 4>passing get into good tight ends. And Eric All certainly

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<v Speaker 4>is that and was that at Michigan. He was the

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<v Speaker 4>move guy, the h back guy, more the sort of

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<v Speaker 4>the niche pass game stuff. Then he had a back

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<v Speaker 4>injury that ended his season in twenty twenty two. There

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<v Speaker 4>was a disagreement about whether to get surgery or not,

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<v Speaker 4>the ultimately, you know, cutting the season short. That ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>led to him transferring spinal surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, for Eric All, you know what, that.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't ever make me feel better.

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<v Speaker 4>No, yeah, it's you know, and he is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be a big medical guy where your your team's medical

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<v Speaker 4>staff is gonna pulke around in there, and they need

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<v Speaker 4>to give him obviously not a clean bill of health,

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<v Speaker 4>but you need to know what the risk of re

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<v Speaker 4>injury is, you know, how elevated is that. And then

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<v Speaker 4>he comes off an ACL tear in October, So we're

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<v Speaker 4>getting this scary stuff out of the way first. Now

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<v Speaker 4>he's rehabbing from the ACL, right, which is the reason

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<v Speaker 4>he did not work out during the pre draft process.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, so the health caveats aside, right, Like, Eric

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<v Speaker 4>All needs to be healthy at the next level, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's why some people rank him maybe a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit lower. If now this is a big if,

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<v Speaker 4>I grant you, but if Eric All is healthy at

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<v Speaker 4>the next level or healthy ish. If he has a

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<v Speaker 4>season long periods where he's healthy, he is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be a steal, not only in the NFL draft, obviously

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<v Speaker 4>for fantasy players as well. Eric All six foot four

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<v Speaker 4>and a half two hundred and fifty two pounds. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I said, he did not get to test. If he

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<v Speaker 4>did get to test, I think he would have run

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<v Speaker 4>the fastest forty time of any tight end. The guy

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<v Speaker 4>who did that was Theo Johnson with a four or

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<v Speaker 4>five seven. That the Penn State kid we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about in a second. Yeah, but eric All, interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 4>you see multiple instances of this on tape, but one

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<v Speaker 4>sort of proof of concept I have on this idea

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<v Speaker 4>against Penn State. He caught a ball, accelerates around the

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<v Speaker 4>corner around Kaylan King, and then it became a foot race.

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<v Speaker 4>Eric All separated away from Kaylan King down the field.

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<v Speaker 4>Kaylan King runs a four or five two right a

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<v Speaker 4>draft prospect in this class. I think eric All was

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<v Speaker 4>going to perhaps run a high four to four forty,

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<v Speaker 4>just didn't get the opportunity. I also like his change

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<v Speaker 4>of direction on the field. Pretty solid route runner. The

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<v Speaker 4>best thing about his route running is he accelerates quickly

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<v Speaker 4>out of route breaks and then gets back to top speed.

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<v Speaker 4>There are some there's a few concentration drops. That's the

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<v Speaker 4>one thing I'd want for him to clean up. But

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<v Speaker 4>I like his ball skills. He's one of those guys

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<v Speaker 4>that works back to the ball, attacks it in the

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<v Speaker 4>air full extension. I comp him, you know, interestingly, we

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<v Speaker 4>also had brought up the Seattle tight end room and

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<v Speaker 4>former Iowa guys. No, you're gonna go a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>no offans in his game. When again, when he's healthy.

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<v Speaker 4>The first six games of this past season at Iowa,

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<v Speaker 4>when he was on the field prior to that ACL tear,

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<v Speaker 4>he was putting up numbers comparable to most other tight

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<v Speaker 4>ends in the nation. Like he was way up there

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of just the counting stats and certainly yards

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<v Speaker 4>per roub run. He might have even been first. But

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<v Speaker 4>then you know, of course, what happened happened. But I

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<v Speaker 4>see if he is healthy at the next level, I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's a Noah fan like skill set.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's Eric all from Iowa. Why do you

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<v Speaker 1>leave Michigan.

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<v Speaker 4>Because of the back the back injury and then they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't think he should get surgery, but he thought he

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<v Speaker 4>should get surgery. Okay, it was a little trust broke

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<v Speaker 4>in there, Yeah it was, and there was a deal,

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<v Speaker 4>like not all of it got out, but we knew

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<v Speaker 4>that there was a disagreement, and then right after that

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<v Speaker 4>he summarily announced his transfer.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Stover from Ohio State grew up helping raise cattle

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<v Speaker 1>and pigs and farming hay, corn and soybeans. His teammates

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<v Speaker 1>call him farmer Gronk Stover. Stover has an nil deal

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<v Speaker 1>with an agriculture company called agg Pro, and he plans

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<v Speaker 1>to return to farming after his playing days. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to go play ball and then come

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<v Speaker 1>home and go back on the farm.

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<v Speaker 3>This is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Tip of that to Dane Brugler who sprinkles that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>into the beast and it's which is great. Kate Stover,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State, talk to me about him?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, true, true renaissance man.

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<v Speaker 4>Kate Stover was also a former star prep basketball player

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<v Speaker 4>and Ohio's Mister Football. Coming out of high school. He

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<v Speaker 4>signed it's such an interesting profile. He signed with Ohio

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<v Speaker 4>State actually as a four star linebacker and when he

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<v Speaker 4>came out to forty seven Sports. In the recruiting by

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<v Speaker 4>I they'll put they'll do scouting reports and then comp

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<v Speaker 4>them to a current NFL player if they're a high

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<v Speaker 4>enough recruit. They comped Kate Stover coming out of high

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<v Speaker 4>school to Anthony Barr.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting, Okay, he was going to be getting after it

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<v Speaker 4>there from the outside linebacker spot when he gets to

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio State. They were working with him on the edge initially,

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<v Speaker 4>so it was defensive end and linebacker as a freshman.

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<v Speaker 4>He moved to tight end as a sophomore in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>Then Kate Stover briefly switches back to defense late in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty one before he finally got to play tight

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<v Speaker 4>end for two full seasons the last two. Some of

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<v Speaker 4>my notes on him springy athlete, skilled receiver, very good hands,

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<v Speaker 4>very very good hands, only two drops on one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>plus targets the last two seasons. Love it, and I

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<v Speaker 4>like so with his route running. He's not like the

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<v Speaker 4>brock Bauers guy with that, but I like where he's

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<v Speaker 4>at with how new he is to the position. He

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<v Speaker 4>seems to have a pretty good understanding of route running

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<v Speaker 4>concepts despite being a neophyte to the position. I also

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<v Speaker 4>like I love the stop startability with guys into and

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<v Speaker 4>out of route breaks. It's it's where you can create

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<v Speaker 4>that separation, and he can do that. The thing he

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<v Speaker 4>does not have is the high end deep speed, but

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<v Speaker 4>the stuff in the short and intermedia game is certainly

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<v Speaker 4>gonna do.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>He's coming along as a blocker. I like the way

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<v Speaker 4>he uses his length and he understands leverage. He also

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<v Speaker 4>takes good angles, different stuff like that, but he needs

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<v Speaker 4>to continue working on his the overall technique and certainly

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<v Speaker 4>the core strength for that to become upper echelon at

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<v Speaker 4>the NFL level six four two forty seven eight two

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<v Speaker 4>two ras I comped him to Hayden Hurst.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm my worries on drafting Kate stove around to my

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy roster would be he's so green at the position

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<v Speaker 1>that in Titans already take mostly take time to develop.

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<v Speaker 1>I worry that my payoff in Kate Stover is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be my worry from a fantasy aspect. Yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Last guy that I want to hit on Theo Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>from Penn State. I saw just okay productivity from him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would like to see, like to have seen

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. But that's you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just me looking at at a handful of plays and

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<v Speaker 1>looking at stat lions. Tell me about THEO Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 4>He was the talk of Indianapolis as far as this

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<v Speaker 4>position group went, because he just dominated athletic testing. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's like we get these Penn State guys every year

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<v Speaker 4>that just test ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I don't know what they're doing down there.

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<v Speaker 4>But with THEO Johnson sixty six two fifty nine, boy wow,

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<v Speaker 4>ninety ninth percentile athlete, and he did all the tests,

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<v Speaker 4>including the agility stuff. Was very impressive. I mentioned the

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<v Speaker 4>four five seven speed before. The surprising aspect to me

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't necessarily the speed because north south he's really good.

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<v Speaker 4>What surprised me was the agility because on film he

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<v Speaker 4>does not change directions that fluidly. It sort of reminded

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<v Speaker 4>me of the year before with zach Kunz, how he

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<v Speaker 4>had tested in the agility drills and tested elite, but

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<v Speaker 4>on film he he changed directions like a cruise ship.

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<v Speaker 4>Interestingly enough, zach Kunz began his career at Penn State. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>he had left because Pat Fryermouth you know, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>had him a fix to the bench then, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and now we have THEO Johnson coming out and ends

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<v Speaker 4>his career there. He got the development obviously, he was

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<v Speaker 4>in the the strength and conditioning program that turns out

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<v Speaker 4>all these awesome testers during the pre draft process. But

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<v Speaker 4>being at Penn State complicates his evaluation a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>And this gets back to your point chart. So they

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<v Speaker 4>ran twelve personnel but had this super risk averse passing offense.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they led, They were led by the foot

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<v Speaker 4>of their run game, but they wouldn't let the five

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<v Speaker 4>star quarterback drew a Lard throw down the field. Why

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<v Speaker 4>this matters for THEO Johnson is I think his best

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<v Speaker 4>thing when we think about him for the next level

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<v Speaker 4>threatening the seam. He gets off the line quick, and

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<v Speaker 4>he gets nor Sell super quick, and he has decent

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<v Speaker 4>enough ball skills. I think down the field is where

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<v Speaker 4>the receiving utility with him would be, where you would

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<v Speaker 4>be misusing him would be on quick in and out

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<v Speaker 4>breaking stuff short and intermediate. Well that's all they were

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<v Speaker 4>using their tight ends for. So the passing production, the

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<v Speaker 4>receiving production wasn't quite there with him, and there would

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<v Speaker 4>be long stretches of games where he would disappear as

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<v Speaker 4>a receiver. I would suggest that that was both a

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<v Speaker 4>usage issue and then you know, endemic to their offensive

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<v Speaker 4>strategy as a whole. But he is THEO Johnson obviously

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<v Speaker 4>one of the best size athleticism combinations in this tight

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<v Speaker 4>end class, if not the best, but very inconsistent production

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<v Speaker 4>on the field. Like I said, you see, you see

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<v Speaker 4>the flashes, but yeah, he needs to it worked on.

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<v Speaker 3>He needs to be used a little bit differently.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure if he's ever going to be that

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<v Speaker 4>efficiency machine that that Penn State wanted him to be

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<v Speaker 4>in that specific role.

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<v Speaker 1>So THEO Johnson, you're buying traits, you're buying traits, You're

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<v Speaker 1>buying traits and saying, you know what, in time we

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<v Speaker 1>can we can develop him.

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<v Speaker 4>It's sort of like a Luke Musgrave thing sort of

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<v Speaker 4>from last year, you know, with how well he tested

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<v Speaker 4>and then you saw flashes on film, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>enough of them for Musgrave. It was for different reasons

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<v Speaker 4>the injuries. But with Theo, he was on the field

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<v Speaker 4>and we've gotten to see him play in line in

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<v Speaker 4>a pro style ish offense. Yeah, it's just if the

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<v Speaker 4>usage was different with him, I think potentially then he

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<v Speaker 4>could play up. You know, we talked about Musgrave last process.

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<v Speaker 4>The most important impressive thing that we had seen with

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<v Speaker 4>him was winning downfield. Again, we just didn't get to

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<v Speaker 4>see enough of that with Leo because of the way

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<v Speaker 4>Penn State played football.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Theo Johnson from Penn State. Well, we will circle

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<v Speaker 1>back with you after the draft, not the Friday of

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<v Speaker 1>the draft, but the friday after that. I'm already I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to book you now, I mean, and let's

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<v Speaker 1>break down all the all the big moves, and that

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<v Speaker 1>might be some more tight ends we're not talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's Dylan Holker, whoever, you know who knows well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there could be a surprise. Somebody jumps into

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<v Speaker 1>the third round and it's a perfect spid. The Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>pick a tight end in the third round. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all gonna be crossing our freight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's some there's gonna be some great opportunities there.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrific job breaking down Bowers, Sinnate Sanders, Eric Hall, cad Stovert,

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<v Speaker 1>Theo Johnson, thank you, appreciate church. All right, talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you later, my man. Thank you for listening, everybody. We'll

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