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Speaker 1: broken down all the other meaningful positions. We just have
Speaker 1: tight ends left, yeah, and we've got an amazing one
Speaker 1: in Brock Bauers. You and I talked about Brock going
Speaker 1: back a whole year and how he was going to
Speaker 1: be a lottery pick player, and we knew it last year.
Speaker 1: He did nothing in his senior not a senior junior?
Speaker 3: Is he a junior junior junior year?
Speaker 1: To change anybody's mind here, I don't.
Speaker 4: Think no, no, Yeah, And a guy that led Georgia
Speaker 4: and receiving yards two of his three seasons. Of course,
Speaker 4: Georgia won the national title in two of those years, right,
Speaker 4: Not only that, you know, we call him an offensive weapon.
Speaker 4: Kirby Smart said if they had used him at running back,
Speaker 4: Bowers would have been their best running back as well.
Speaker 4: All that, and you know, they just figured out all
Speaker 4: these kind of ways to manufacture touches for him, whether
Speaker 4: it's out wide, whether it was in the slot, whether
Speaker 4: it's uh you know, in line, whether they shifted him
Speaker 4: into the backfield and they would do end rounds with
Speaker 4: him like a Deebo Samuel at tight end sort of
Speaker 4: a thing, the creative usage, and that is going to
Speaker 4: continue at the NFL level. Great athlete obviously, the speed
Speaker 4: and direct change of direction are both elite, super duper
Speaker 4: skilled receiver. He was charted with a couple of drops
Speaker 4: on PFF and both of the ones were Yeah, well
Speaker 4: it was like balls were anyone else, I don't think
Speaker 4: they would have given him drops like reeling out. But
Speaker 4: the standards for him are higher, there's yeah, they absolutely
Speaker 4: are because he can get to you know. It's like
Speaker 4: back in the day, was like Ozzie Smith because he
Speaker 4: had such great range. Football clanged off into his If
Speaker 4: someone else wouldn't have got to, they would have given
Speaker 4: him an error on it. But yeah, super duper dangerous
Speaker 4: with the ball in his hands, and he facilitates that
Speaker 4: with the route running machinations before that. He has an
Speaker 4: eye for detail with that, and then he becomes the
Speaker 4: broken tackle machine speed when he has that ball in
Speaker 4: his hands. So that's why they Kirby smart and that
Speaker 4: staff went to those lengths to manufacture opportunities for him
Speaker 4: to get the ball on his hands because he had
Speaker 4: that speed, he has the agility, he has the power.
Speaker 4: He also is a decent blocker, you know what that Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean he gets after it for sure. He does
Speaker 4: not take plays off. Of course, you know his size
Speaker 4: six three two forty three, there's gonna be some guys
Speaker 4: that can overpower him. But especially in space, he'll take
Speaker 4: care of who you need him to take care of.
Speaker 4: Very very very good player. And of course he's going
Speaker 4: to go somewhere in the top fifteen, a little bit
Speaker 4: fluid right now where that that eventual landing spot is.
Speaker 4: But wherever he goes, it's going to be the same
Speaker 4: thing that you saw at Georgia. They will figure out
Speaker 4: all kinds of creative ways to manufacture that ball into
Speaker 4: his hands.
Speaker 1: We're talking about brock Bauers from Georgia and the word
Speaker 1: that I love that gets associated with brock Bauers and
Speaker 1: why I get so excited finisher. He you know, when
Speaker 1: the ball gets in his hands, that's just the beginning
Speaker 1: for him, you know, And that dude is it's like
Speaker 1: all right now, it's game on, you know, And I
Speaker 1: love that about him, and I think that's part of
Speaker 1: why twenty six touchdowns in thirty seven career starts. But
Speaker 1: you know we're talking, you know, point eight touchdowns a game.
Speaker 1: Oh for my tight end, I'm really interested in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, with college players, you can tell the really
Speaker 4: elite ones by the way that the defense reacts to
Speaker 4: them and the defensive strategy of the coordinator heading into
Speaker 4: the game. With Georgia games, you would see the enormous
Speaker 4: amount of attention that was paid to Bauer's pre snap
Speaker 4: and then the delineation of coverage resources to him after
Speaker 4: this snap. Sometimes they couldn't stop him anyway, right, but
Speaker 4: this always opened up spacing for the rest of it.
Speaker 4: His teammates I remember when they remember when they slapped
Speaker 4: around TCU in that National title game. TCU, they were
Speaker 4: trying to take Bowers away, but whenever they would wrote
Speaker 4: double team him, it would leave someone open on the
Speaker 4: other side, right, So it's sort of like pick your poison.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he is just so dangerous and a different
Speaker 4: kind of a tight end too. Let's say than Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 4: you know, the last one that wins high as we
Speaker 4: think he's gonna go. Bowers is more that guy like said,
Speaker 4: shift him around. You can do all these different kind
Speaker 4: of things with him.
Speaker 1: Bowers, everybody's got pegged going to the jets at ten. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think he's a great value at ten. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, you could you can make a case from
Speaker 1: going much higher. But it makes sense where he go
Speaker 1: to the jets at ten. Other possible landing spots if
Speaker 1: he slides past the jets Denver could make sense at twelve.
Speaker 1: Indy at fifteen, and Seattle. I'm really fascinated by Seattle
Speaker 1: that has not had a meaningful tight end. I I
Speaker 1: don't know how long it's been. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: the last good one. You know, if Seattle at sixteen,
Speaker 1: I can see them moving up a few spots, that
Speaker 1: will be a.
Speaker 4: Dangerous pass catching corps. You add him to DK and
Speaker 4: lock it into into JSN. I know, right, that's gonna
Speaker 4: be a tough one at a defan, wouldn't it be?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Seattle would be fascinating to see if they and I
Speaker 1: think they'd have to move up a little bit, but
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have to move up that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one to monitor because because of the the
Speaker 4: you know, you were sort of hitting on the positional
Speaker 4: value the way the NFL sees that, it does open
Speaker 4: up the possibility of a potential quote unquote fall beneath
Speaker 4: where he probably should go. Yeah, And to that point,
Speaker 4: there's that argument about what the franchise take cost per position,
Speaker 4: and so this argument is sort of made against him,
Speaker 4: like the amount of money you're gonna have to give
Speaker 4: him initially it's close to what the franchise take is
Speaker 4: for tight ends. But on the other side of that,
Speaker 4: you could begin franchising brock Bauers once his rookie contractor's
Speaker 4: done and get him for way cheaper than he should
Speaker 4: be on the open market. This guy is more just
Speaker 4: again offensive weapon pass catcher get the ball in his hands,
Speaker 4: than he is comparable apples to apples to other tight ends.
Speaker 1: The Vikings could move down from eleven to sixteen, Seattle
Speaker 1: moves up. Seattle's biggest needs across the offensive line, garden center.
Speaker 1: There's no garden center that should go at sixteen. Well,
Speaker 1: guard maybe, but that's a whole other conversation. All right,
Speaker 1: So that's Brack Bauers.
Speaker 3: We love him.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna have an immediate fantasy impact, and in
Speaker 1: any tight end mandatory league. He's somebody that's going to
Speaker 1: have to be taken early in your dynasty rookie draft
Speaker 1: for sure. Let's go down one level, I think, and
Speaker 1: probably one full round down. Ben Senate from Kansas State.
Speaker 1: This is I think you're a little higher on him
Speaker 1: than others as I'm looking at some other grades. Tell
Speaker 1: me what you love about Ben Sennett.
Speaker 4: There's and I almost don't even want to evoke this
Speaker 4: name because I love this guy so much last process
Speaker 4: and I don't want to put like that expectation on him.
Speaker 4: But his game reminds me a lot out of Sam Laporta. Boy,
Speaker 4: it's it's a very similar frame six four two fifty
Speaker 4: and the RAS nine seven three. You see the athleticism
Speaker 4: with him on the tape, but the similar thing with
Speaker 4: with Laporta, it's the tackle breaking stuff in the lunch
Speaker 4: pale game that he has. He's very skilled at getting
Speaker 4: open right off the get and then when he gets
Speaker 4: that ball in his hands and he turns into the runner,
Speaker 4: he has the agility with the power so he can
Speaker 4: force off angle attempts, ar arm tackle attempts, and he's
Speaker 4: going to run through them like turnstiles. And then He's
Speaker 4: one of those guys who becomes the best friend, you know,
Speaker 4: not only the quarterback in the passing game, but to
Speaker 4: the runners as well.
Speaker 3: He is a vicious blocker.
Speaker 4: He's the guy that you want as the lead guy,
Speaker 4: you know, heading out to.
Speaker 3: The second level, he's going to destroy someone. You know.
Speaker 4: It's the the seek and destroy kind of a thing.
Speaker 4: He sort of seems to savor that aspect of the game.
Speaker 4: Very contact intensive. But yeah, you have a little bit
Speaker 4: of the athleticism there with that lunch pail thing, you know,
Speaker 4: to the point of why you know he's a little
Speaker 4: bit lower with the consensus. A couple of things. He
Speaker 4: wasn't a belly who had recruit at all. In fact,
Speaker 4: he was totally overlooked. And then his arm length is
Speaker 4: on the shorter end, and that's something the NFL is
Speaker 4: going to. Dingy Fort's this his teammate Cooper Bebe coming
Speaker 4: out was one of the best guards we had in
Speaker 4: college football as a couple of years. But he might
Speaker 4: fall down a little bit because the shorter arms. It's
Speaker 4: the same thing with Senne you know, of my top
Speaker 4: let's see twelve guys, I think he has the shortest
Speaker 4: arms of the tight end class, but the other stuff
Speaker 4: all plays. You have the athleticism, you have the production profile.
Speaker 4: You saw him block in college. You could do all
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff with him. Another guy you can
Speaker 4: shift around the formation. He has plenty of experience in line,
Speaker 4: so you could do that with him. Versatile player, and
Speaker 4: I think he is definitely a fantasy guy, a fantasy
Speaker 4: asset that people need to monitor because of the pass
Speaker 4: catching ability, the athleticism, and then the tackle breaking afterwards.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see Ben Sennett find his way to
Speaker 1: Cincinnati later in the raft where he could walk right.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't that be glorious?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yep?
Speaker 1: T Higgin's gone. Yeah, And you know, potentially.
Speaker 4: They were a team that we've been pointing at take
Speaker 4: a tight end for a couple of years now, and
Speaker 4: they probably should have done it last last year, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and they might be kicking themselves of why didn't we
Speaker 4: just take Sammy Laporta. And now the next year we
Speaker 4: get into day two because I think Senate's going to
Speaker 4: fall a little bit more than.
Speaker 3: Laport You know, Laporta early round two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And people out there need to remember during Laporta's process,
Speaker 4: he was ranked where you know, by the media essentially
Speaker 4: where Senate is now. Yeah, so yeah, don't don't use
Speaker 4: that to discount Ben Senen's game at all.
Speaker 1: I don't have Cincinnati's full draft chart in front of me,
Speaker 1: but I'm assuming they pick they pick eighteenth in the
Speaker 1: first I'm assuming they have their second round pick and
Speaker 1: that they're picking roughly eighteenth in the second. And if
Speaker 1: that's the case, that could be a Ben sinence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be really interesting. They're at forty nine
Speaker 3: and eighty okay.
Speaker 1: Forty nine and eighty okay, so forty nine, yeah, forty
Speaker 1: nine totally in player. Yeah, absolutely, so that we'll see. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's get one more in before we take
Speaker 1: a quick break. Jatavian Sanders from Texas. He's the next
Speaker 1: tight end on your list. I've seen only seven touchdowns
Speaker 1: in thirty nine games. Worries me a little bit because
Speaker 1: I want you I want touchdowns from my tight ends
Speaker 1: if I can get them right.
Speaker 3: Sure, those guys are special. Talk.
Speaker 1: Let's break down his game a little bit. What do
Speaker 1: you like about Jatavian Sanders.
Speaker 4: Jatavian Sanders is a guy that I liked more off
Speaker 4: of film and his work during the season than than
Speaker 4: what I've seen during the draft process. Okay, he did
Speaker 4: not help himself with a five to seven to three rats.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow. And the reason why it.
Speaker 4: You know, it's case specific with these tests in the
Speaker 4: athletic profiles. You know, with regards to the prospects, this
Speaker 4: one hurts because Jatavian Sanders can't block.
Speaker 3: He is a he's a big receiver. He's a big
Speaker 3: slot is what he is.
Speaker 4: And you were hoping to see the athleticism becoming of
Speaker 4: that because you know you're not going to deploy him
Speaker 4: as a blocker at the next level. The testing profile
Speaker 4: dragged that down a little bit. Will he still be
Speaker 4: tight end two as he was seen? He was seen
Speaker 4: his tight end two with a bullet coming into the process.
Speaker 4: Will he still be the second tight end take it
Speaker 4: in the draft? I'm not sure about that anymore. But
Speaker 4: he's six foot four two forty five catch first tight end.
Speaker 4: He is skilled, and he's very good down the scene,
Speaker 4: very smooth with that. He has plenty of experience playing
Speaker 4: in line at Texas. But like I said, I would
Speaker 4: not trust that guy to be blocking out of in line.
Speaker 3: He's going to get ragged. All he has to be
Speaker 3: the big slot.
Speaker 4: So it's just going to depend on does he have
Speaker 4: the athletic trump cards, does he have an or I
Speaker 4: should say, does he have enough. We know he doesn't
Speaker 4: have the trump cards. Does he have enough athleticism for
Speaker 4: his game to be able to translate one to one
Speaker 4: the receiving aspect of it to the next level. But
Speaker 4: I saw the speed, acceleration, agility on film. He appear
Speaker 4: to move better as a route runner on film than
Speaker 4: he tested. I like his core strength and balance. He
Speaker 4: does not get jarred when he's running his routes. He
Speaker 4: also has a high conversion rate in contested scenarios, which
Speaker 4: I think is important here when you're talking about going
Speaker 4: to that next level when you're facing the elite athletes,
Speaker 4: especially if that's something that he has to overcome.
Speaker 3: He was very good at that.
Speaker 4: He doesn't break many tackles, but if you hit him
Speaker 4: on the hands in space, he is a yet guy
Speaker 4: because he smoothly transitions from the receiver to the runner,
Speaker 4: thing gets up field, starts running, has pretty good vision.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he will not be a blocker at the
Speaker 4: next level. He's got to be. He's got to make
Speaker 4: it as a big slot. It's bad sign, bad sign.
Speaker 1: You know, in my experience, players who don't have a
Speaker 1: natural fitted at anyone position fail at all of them,
Speaker 1: you know, And I would get worried that I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of like the Iowa state wide receiver from like three
Speaker 1: years ago, who they you know, like, was too big
Speaker 1: and slow to be a wide receiver. Butler Keem Butler
Speaker 1: super productive, like all these acrobatic catches and stuff. And
Speaker 1: I was really excited for what I thought could be
Speaker 1: a decent NFL career. But he was a player without
Speaker 1: a position, and I worry that that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of what we've got with Jatavian Sanders, a player without
Speaker 1: a position for dis guys and a size and skill set.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. When we come back.
Speaker 3: I want to get to.
Speaker 1: Tight End University, Iowa. H You like Eric all And
Speaker 1: a lot more than some other people. Let's talk about him.
Speaker 1: He started at Michigan ends up but at Iowa. Let's
Speaker 1: talk through him when we come back. Welcome back, Paul
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Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Weekly on Discord. Eric All was I don't know,
Speaker 1: three years, four years in Michigan and then left Michigan,
Speaker 1: which is like, why do you leave in Michigan, goes
Speaker 1: to Iowed, which is I guess the one place that
Speaker 1: titan could go, or it makes some sense. Tell me
Speaker 1: why you like Eric Hall a little bit more than
Speaker 1: some others. I've seen him ranked as low as like ten, eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve and in some rankings, but you're a lot more optimistic.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's getting slept on, and it's good
Speaker 4: symmetry to talk about him. Right after we brought up
Speaker 4: Sam Laporta, Eric All was imported to replace Sam Laporta,
Speaker 4: and he went right into the inline spot that Laporta
Speaker 4: had played and then became the same sort of aspect
Speaker 4: of the offense. Of course, Iowa's offense is terrible, and
Speaker 4: right there's funnel a bunch of usage from this terrible
Speaker 4: passing get into good tight ends. And Eric All certainly
Speaker 4: is that and was that at Michigan. He was the
Speaker 4: move guy, the h back guy, more the sort of
Speaker 4: the niche pass game stuff. Then he had a back
Speaker 4: injury that ended his season in twenty twenty two. There
Speaker 4: was a disagreement about whether to get surgery or not,
Speaker 4: the ultimately, you know, cutting the season short. That ultimately
Speaker 4: led to him transferring spinal surgery.
Speaker 1: By the way, for Eric All, you know what, that.
Speaker 3: Doesn't ever make me feel better.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, it's you know, and he is going to
Speaker 4: be a big medical guy where your your team's medical
Speaker 4: staff is gonna pulke around in there, and they need
Speaker 4: to give him obviously not a clean bill of health,
Speaker 4: but you need to know what the risk of re
Speaker 4: injury is, you know, how elevated is that. And then
Speaker 4: he comes off an ACL tear in October, So we're
Speaker 4: getting this scary stuff out of the way first. Now
Speaker 4: he's rehabbing from the ACL, right, which is the reason
Speaker 4: he did not work out during the pre draft process.
Speaker 4: Of course, so the health caveats aside, right, Like, Eric
Speaker 4: All needs to be healthy at the next level, and
Speaker 4: I think that's why some people rank him maybe a
Speaker 4: little bit lower. If now this is a big if,
Speaker 4: I grant you, but if Eric All is healthy at
Speaker 4: the next level or healthy ish. If he has a
Speaker 4: season long periods where he's healthy, he is going to
Speaker 4: be a steal, not only in the NFL draft, obviously
Speaker 4: for fantasy players as well. Eric All six foot four
Speaker 4: and a half two hundred and fifty two pounds. Like
Speaker 4: I said, he did not get to test. If he
Speaker 4: did get to test, I think he would have run
Speaker 4: the fastest forty time of any tight end. The guy
Speaker 4: who did that was Theo Johnson with a four or
Speaker 4: five seven. That the Penn State kid we're going to
Speaker 4: talk about in a second. Yeah, but eric All, interestingly enough,
Speaker 4: you see multiple instances of this on tape, but one
Speaker 4: sort of proof of concept I have on this idea
Speaker 4: against Penn State. He caught a ball, accelerates around the
Speaker 4: corner around Kaylan King, and then it became a foot race.
Speaker 4: Eric All separated away from Kaylan King down the field.
Speaker 4: Kaylan King runs a four or five two right a
Speaker 4: draft prospect in this class. I think eric All was
Speaker 4: going to perhaps run a high four to four forty,
Speaker 4: just didn't get the opportunity. I also like his change
Speaker 4: of direction on the field. Pretty solid route runner. The
Speaker 4: best thing about his route running is he accelerates quickly
Speaker 4: out of route breaks and then gets back to top speed.
Speaker 4: There are some there's a few concentration drops. That's the
Speaker 4: one thing I'd want for him to clean up. But
Speaker 4: I like his ball skills. He's one of those guys
Speaker 4: that works back to the ball, attacks it in the
Speaker 4: air full extension. I comp him, you know, interestingly, we
Speaker 4: also had brought up the Seattle tight end room and
Speaker 4: former Iowa guys. No, you're gonna go a lot of
Speaker 4: no offans in his game. When again, when he's healthy.
Speaker 4: The first six games of this past season at Iowa,
Speaker 4: when he was on the field prior to that ACL tear,
Speaker 4: he was putting up numbers comparable to most other tight
Speaker 4: ends in the nation. Like he was way up there
Speaker 4: in terms of just the counting stats and certainly yards
Speaker 4: per roub run. He might have even been first. But
Speaker 4: then you know, of course, what happened happened. But I
Speaker 4: see if he is healthy at the next level, I
Speaker 4: think it's a Noah fan like skill set.
Speaker 1: All right, that's Eric all from Iowa. Why do you
Speaker 1: leave Michigan.
Speaker 4: Because of the back the back injury and then they
Speaker 4: didn't think he should get surgery, but he thought he
Speaker 4: should get surgery. Okay, it was a little trust broke
Speaker 4: in there, Yeah it was, and there was a deal,
Speaker 4: like not all of it got out, but we knew
Speaker 4: that there was a disagreement, and then right after that
Speaker 4: he summarily announced his transfer.
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: Kate Stover from Ohio State grew up helping raise cattle
Speaker 1: and pigs and farming hay, corn and soybeans. His teammates
Speaker 1: call him farmer Gronk Stover. Stover has an nil deal
Speaker 1: with an agriculture company called agg Pro, and he plans
Speaker 1: to return to farming after his playing days. He says,
Speaker 1: I just want to go play ball and then come
Speaker 1: home and go back on the farm.
Speaker 3: This is incredible.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tip of that to Dane Brugler who sprinkles that stuff
Speaker 1: into the beast and it's which is great. Kate Stover,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, talk to me about him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, true, true renaissance man.
Speaker 4: Kate Stover was also a former star prep basketball player
Speaker 4: and Ohio's Mister Football. Coming out of high school. He
Speaker 4: signed it's such an interesting profile. He signed with Ohio
Speaker 4: State actually as a four star linebacker and when he
Speaker 4: came out to forty seven Sports. In the recruiting by
Speaker 4: I they'll put they'll do scouting reports and then comp
Speaker 4: them to a current NFL player if they're a high
Speaker 4: enough recruit. They comped Kate Stover coming out of high
Speaker 4: school to Anthony Barr.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Interesting, Okay, he was going to be getting after it
Speaker 4: there from the outside linebacker spot when he gets to
Speaker 4: Ohio State. They were working with him on the edge initially,
Speaker 4: so it was defensive end and linebacker as a freshman.
Speaker 4: He moved to tight end as a sophomore in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Then Kate Stover briefly switches back to defense late in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one before he finally got to play tight
Speaker 4: end for two full seasons the last two. Some of
Speaker 4: my notes on him springy athlete, skilled receiver, very good hands,
Speaker 4: very very good hands, only two drops on one hundred
Speaker 4: plus targets the last two seasons. Love it, and I
Speaker 4: like so with his route running. He's not like the
Speaker 4: brock Bauers guy with that, but I like where he's
Speaker 4: at with how new he is to the position. He
Speaker 4: seems to have a pretty good understanding of route running
Speaker 4: concepts despite being a neophyte to the position. I also
Speaker 4: like I love the stop startability with guys into and
Speaker 4: out of route breaks. It's it's where you can create
Speaker 4: that separation, and he can do that. The thing he
Speaker 4: does not have is the high end deep speed, but
Speaker 4: the stuff in the short and intermedia game is certainly
Speaker 4: gonna do.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: He's coming along as a blocker. I like the way
Speaker 4: he uses his length and he understands leverage. He also
Speaker 4: takes good angles, different stuff like that, but he needs
Speaker 4: to continue working on his the overall technique and certainly
Speaker 4: the core strength for that to become upper echelon at
Speaker 4: the NFL level six four two forty seven eight two
Speaker 4: two ras I comped him to Hayden Hurst.
Speaker 1: I'm my worries on drafting Kate stove around to my
Speaker 1: fantasy roster would be he's so green at the position
Speaker 1: that in Titans already take mostly take time to develop.
Speaker 1: I worry that my payoff in Kate Stover is gonna
Speaker 1: be like twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: That's that.
Speaker 1: That would be my worry from a fantasy aspect. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Last guy that I want to hit on Theo Johnson
Speaker 1: from Penn State. I saw just okay productivity from him,
Speaker 1: and I would like to see, like to have seen
Speaker 1: a little bit more. But that's you know, this is
Speaker 1: just me looking at at a handful of plays and
Speaker 1: looking at stat lions. Tell me about THEO Johnson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: He was the talk of Indianapolis as far as this
Speaker 4: position group went, because he just dominated athletic testing. And
Speaker 4: it's like we get these Penn State guys every year
Speaker 4: that just test ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know what they're doing down there.
Speaker 4: But with THEO Johnson sixty six two fifty nine, boy wow,
Speaker 4: ninety ninth percentile athlete, and he did all the tests,
Speaker 4: including the agility stuff. Was very impressive. I mentioned the
Speaker 4: four five seven speed before. The surprising aspect to me
Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily the speed because north south he's really good.
Speaker 4: What surprised me was the agility because on film he
Speaker 4: does not change directions that fluidly. It sort of reminded
Speaker 4: me of the year before with zach Kunz, how he
Speaker 4: had tested in the agility drills and tested elite, but
Speaker 4: on film he he changed directions like a cruise ship.
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, zach Kunz began his career at Penn State. Oh,
Speaker 4: he had left because Pat Fryermouth you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: had him a fix to the bench then, you know,
Speaker 4: and now we have THEO Johnson coming out and ends
Speaker 4: his career there. He got the development obviously, he was
Speaker 4: in the the strength and conditioning program that turns out
Speaker 4: all these awesome testers during the pre draft process. But
Speaker 4: being at Penn State complicates his evaluation a little bit.
Speaker 4: And this gets back to your point chart. So they
Speaker 4: ran twelve personnel but had this super risk averse passing offense.
Speaker 4: You know, they led, They were led by the foot
Speaker 4: of their run game, but they wouldn't let the five
Speaker 4: star quarterback drew a Lard throw down the field. Why
Speaker 4: this matters for THEO Johnson is I think his best
Speaker 4: thing when we think about him for the next level
Speaker 4: threatening the seam. He gets off the line quick, and
Speaker 4: he gets nor Sell super quick, and he has decent
Speaker 4: enough ball skills. I think down the field is where
Speaker 4: the receiving utility with him would be, where you would
Speaker 4: be misusing him would be on quick in and out
Speaker 4: breaking stuff short and intermediate. Well that's all they were
Speaker 4: using their tight ends for. So the passing production, the
Speaker 4: receiving production wasn't quite there with him, and there would
Speaker 4: be long stretches of games where he would disappear as
Speaker 4: a receiver. I would suggest that that was both a
Speaker 4: usage issue and then you know, endemic to their offensive
Speaker 4: strategy as a whole. But he is THEO Johnson obviously
Speaker 4: one of the best size athleticism combinations in this tight
Speaker 4: end class, if not the best, but very inconsistent production
Speaker 4: on the field. Like I said, you see, you see
Speaker 4: the flashes, but yeah, he needs to it worked on.
Speaker 3: He needs to be used a little bit differently.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if he's ever going to be that
Speaker 4: efficiency machine that that Penn State wanted him to be
Speaker 4: in that specific role.
Speaker 1: So THEO Johnson, you're buying traits, you're buying traits, You're
Speaker 1: buying traits and saying, you know what, in time we
Speaker 1: can we can develop him.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like a Luke Musgrave thing sort of
Speaker 4: from last year, you know, with how well he tested
Speaker 4: and then you saw flashes on film, but it wasn't
Speaker 4: enough of them for Musgrave. It was for different reasons
Speaker 4: the injuries. But with Theo, he was on the field
Speaker 4: and we've gotten to see him play in line in
Speaker 4: a pro style ish offense. Yeah, it's just if the
Speaker 4: usage was different with him, I think potentially then he
Speaker 4: could play up. You know, we talked about Musgrave last process.
Speaker 4: The most important impressive thing that we had seen with
Speaker 4: him was winning downfield. Again, we just didn't get to
Speaker 4: see enough of that with Leo because of the way
Speaker 4: Penn State played football.
Speaker 1: That's Theo Johnson from Penn State. Well, we will circle
Speaker 1: back with you after the draft, not the Friday of
Speaker 1: the draft, but the friday after that. I'm already I
Speaker 1: would like to book you now, I mean, and let's
Speaker 1: break down all the all the big moves, and that
Speaker 1: might be some more tight ends we're not talking about.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Dylan Holker, whoever, you know who knows well,
Speaker 1: you know, there could be a surprise. Somebody jumps into
Speaker 1: the third round and it's a perfect spid. The Bengals
Speaker 1: pick a tight end in the third round. We're talking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: We're all gonna be crossing our freight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's some there's gonna be some great opportunities there.
Speaker 1: Terrific job breaking down Bowers, Sinnate Sanders, Eric Hall, cad Stovert,
Speaker 1: Theo Johnson, thank you, appreciate church. All right, talk to
Speaker 1: you later, my man. Thank you for listening, everybody. We'll
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