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You and I talked about Brock going 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: back a whole year and how he was going to 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: be a lottery pick player, and we knew it last year. 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: He did nothing in his senior not a senior junior? 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: Is he a junior junior junior year? 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: To change anybody's mind here, I don't. 34 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 4: Think no, no, Yeah, And a guy that led Georgia 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: and receiving yards two of his three seasons. Of course, 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 4: Georgia won the national title in two of those years, right, 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 4: Not only that, you know, we call him an offensive weapon. 38 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 4: Kirby Smart said if they had used him at running back, 39 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: Bowers would have been their best running back as well. 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 4: All that, and you know, they just figured out all 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: these kind of ways to manufacture touches for him, whether 42 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: it's out wide, whether it was in the slot, whether 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 4: it's uh you know, in line, whether they shifted him 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 4: into the backfield and they would do end rounds with 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 4: him like a Deebo Samuel at tight end sort of 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: a thing, the creative usage, and that is going to 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 4: continue at the NFL level. Great athlete obviously, the speed 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 4: and direct change of direction are both elite, super duper 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: skilled receiver. He was charted with a couple of drops 50 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 4: on PFF and both of the ones were Yeah, well 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: it was like balls were anyone else, I don't think 52 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: they would have given him drops like reeling out. But 53 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 4: the standards for him are higher, there's yeah, they absolutely 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: are because he can get to you know. It's like 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: back in the day, was like Ozzie Smith because he 56 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 4: had such great range. Football clanged off into his If 57 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 4: someone else wouldn't have got to, they would have given 58 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: him an error on it. But yeah, super duper dangerous 59 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 4: with the ball in his hands, and he facilitates that 60 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 4: with the route running machinations before that. He has an 61 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: eye for detail with that, and then he becomes the 62 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 4: broken tackle machine speed when he has that ball in 63 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: his hands. So that's why they Kirby smart and that 64 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: staff went to those lengths to manufacture opportunities for him 65 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: to get the ball on his hands because he had 66 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: that speed, he has the agility, he has the power. 67 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: He also is a decent blocker, you know what that Yeah, 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 4: I mean he gets after it for sure. He does 69 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 4: not take plays off. Of course, you know his size 70 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: six three two forty three, there's gonna be some guys 71 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 4: that can overpower him. But especially in space, he'll take 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 4: care of who you need him to take care of. 73 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: Very very very good player. And of course he's going 74 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: to go somewhere in the top fifteen, a little bit 75 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: fluid right now where that that eventual landing spot is. 76 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 4: But wherever he goes, it's going to be the same 77 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: thing that you saw at Georgia. They will figure out 78 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 4: all kinds of creative ways to manufacture that ball into 79 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 4: his hands. 80 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about brock Bauers from Georgia and the word 81 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: that I love that gets associated with brock Bauers and 82 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: why I get so excited finisher. He you know, when 83 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: the ball gets in his hands, that's just the beginning 84 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: for him, you know, And that dude is it's like 85 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: all right now, it's game on, you know, And I 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: love that about him, and I think that's part of 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: why twenty six touchdowns in thirty seven career starts. But 88 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: you know we're talking, you know, point eight touchdowns a game. 89 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: Oh for my tight end, I'm really interested in that. 90 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 91 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 4: You know, with college players, you can tell the really 92 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 4: elite ones by the way that the defense reacts to 93 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: them and the defensive strategy of the coordinator heading into 94 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: the game. With Georgia games, you would see the enormous 95 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 4: amount of attention that was paid to Bauer's pre snap 96 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: and then the delineation of coverage resources to him after 97 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: this snap. Sometimes they couldn't stop him anyway, right, but 98 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: this always opened up spacing for the rest of it. 99 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 4: His teammates I remember when they remember when they slapped 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: around TCU in that National title game. TCU, they were 101 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 4: trying to take Bowers away, but whenever they would wrote 102 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: double team him, it would leave someone open on the 103 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: other side, right, So it's sort of like pick your poison. 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 4: But yeah, he is just so dangerous and a different 105 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 4: kind of a tight end too. Let's say than Kyle Pitts, 106 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: you know, the last one that wins high as we 107 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: think he's gonna go. Bowers is more that guy like said, 108 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: shift him around. You can do all these different kind 109 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 4: of things with him. 110 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: Bowers, everybody's got pegged going to the jets at ten. Honestly, 111 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: I think he's a great value at ten. I think, 112 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, you could you can make a case from 113 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: going much higher. But it makes sense where he go 114 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: to the jets at ten. Other possible landing spots if 115 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: he slides past the jets Denver could make sense at twelve. 116 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Indy at fifteen, and Seattle. I'm really fascinated by Seattle 117 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: that has not had a meaningful tight end. I I 118 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: don't know how long it's been. I'm trying to remember 119 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: the last good one. You know, if Seattle at sixteen, 120 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: I can see them moving up a few spots, that 121 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: will be a. 122 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 4: Dangerous pass catching corps. You add him to DK and 123 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: lock it into into JSN. I know, right, that's gonna 124 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 4: be a tough one at a defan, wouldn't it be? 125 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: So? 126 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Seattle would be fascinating to see if they and I 127 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: think they'd have to move up a little bit, but 128 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: maybe they don't have to move up that much. 129 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one to monitor because because of the the 130 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: you know, you were sort of hitting on the positional 131 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 4: value the way the NFL sees that, it does open 132 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 4: up the possibility of a potential quote unquote fall beneath 133 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 4: where he probably should go. Yeah, And to that point, 134 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: there's that argument about what the franchise take cost per position, 135 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: and so this argument is sort of made against him, 136 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: like the amount of money you're gonna have to give 137 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 4: him initially it's close to what the franchise take is 138 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: for tight ends. But on the other side of that, 139 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: you could begin franchising brock Bauers once his rookie contractor's 140 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 4: done and get him for way cheaper than he should 141 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 4: be on the open market. This guy is more just 142 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 4: again offensive weapon pass catcher get the ball in his hands, 143 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 4: than he is comparable apples to apples to other tight ends. 144 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: The Vikings could move down from eleven to sixteen, Seattle 145 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: moves up. Seattle's biggest needs across the offensive line, garden center. 146 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: There's no garden center that should go at sixteen. Well, 147 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: guard maybe, but that's a whole other conversation. All right, 148 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: So that's Brack Bauers. 149 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: We love him. 150 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: He's probably gonna have an immediate fantasy impact, and in 151 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: any tight end mandatory league. He's somebody that's going to 152 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: have to be taken early in your dynasty rookie draft 153 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: for sure. Let's go down one level, I think, and 154 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: probably one full round down. Ben Senate from Kansas State. 155 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: This is I think you're a little higher on him 156 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: than others as I'm looking at some other grades. Tell 157 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: me what you love about Ben Sennett. 158 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 4: There's and I almost don't even want to evoke this 159 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: name because I love this guy so much last process 160 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: and I don't want to put like that expectation on him. 161 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: But his game reminds me a lot out of Sam Laporta. Boy, 162 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 4: it's it's a very similar frame six four two fifty 163 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 4: and the RAS nine seven three. You see the athleticism 164 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: with him on the tape, but the similar thing with 165 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: with Laporta, it's the tackle breaking stuff in the lunch 166 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 4: pale game that he has. He's very skilled at getting 167 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: open right off the get and then when he gets 168 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 4: that ball in his hands and he turns into the runner, 169 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: he has the agility with the power so he can 170 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 4: force off angle attempts, ar arm tackle attempts, and he's 171 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: going to run through them like turnstiles. And then He's 172 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: one of those guys who becomes the best friend, you know, 173 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 4: not only the quarterback in the passing game, but to 174 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: the runners as well. 175 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 3: He is a vicious blocker. 176 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: He's the guy that you want as the lead guy, 177 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 4: you know, heading out to. 178 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: The second level, he's going to destroy someone. You know. 179 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: It's the the seek and destroy kind of a thing. 180 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 4: He sort of seems to savor that aspect of the game. 181 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 4: Very contact intensive. But yeah, you have a little bit 182 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: of the athleticism there with that lunch pail thing, you know, 183 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 4: to the point of why you know he's a little 184 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 4: bit lower with the consensus. A couple of things. He 185 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: wasn't a belly who had recruit at all. In fact, 186 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: he was totally overlooked. And then his arm length is 187 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: on the shorter end, and that's something the NFL is 188 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: going to. Dingy Fort's this his teammate Cooper Bebe coming 189 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 4: out was one of the best guards we had in 190 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: college football as a couple of years. But he might 191 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 4: fall down a little bit because the shorter arms. It's 192 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 4: the same thing with Senne you know, of my top 193 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 4: let's see twelve guys, I think he has the shortest 194 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 4: arms of the tight end class, but the other stuff 195 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: all plays. You have the athleticism, you have the production profile. 196 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 4: You saw him block in college. You could do all 197 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff with him. Another guy you can 198 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 4: shift around the formation. He has plenty of experience in line, 199 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 4: so you could do that with him. Versatile player, and 200 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 4: I think he is definitely a fantasy guy, a fantasy 201 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: asset that people need to monitor because of the pass 202 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,359 Speaker 4: catching ability, the athleticism, and then the tackle breaking afterwards. 203 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: I'd love to see Ben Sennett find his way to 204 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: Cincinnati later in the raft where he could walk right. 205 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: It wouldn't that be glorious? 206 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yep? 207 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: T Higgin's gone. Yeah, And you know, potentially. 208 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 4: They were a team that we've been pointing at take 209 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: a tight end for a couple of years now, and 210 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 4: they probably should have done it last last year, right, Yeah, 211 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 4: and they might be kicking themselves of why didn't we 212 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 4: just take Sammy Laporta. And now the next year we 213 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: get into day two because I think Senate's going to 214 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: fall a little bit more than. 215 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: Laport You know, Laporta early round two. 216 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, And people out there need to remember during Laporta's process, 217 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 4: he was ranked where you know, by the media essentially 218 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 4: where Senate is now. Yeah, so yeah, don't don't use 219 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 4: that to discount Ben Senen's game at all. 220 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't have Cincinnati's full draft chart in front of me, 221 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: but I'm assuming they pick they pick eighteenth in the 222 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: first I'm assuming they have their second round pick and 223 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: that they're picking roughly eighteenth in the second. And if 224 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: that's the case, that could be a Ben sinence. 225 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be really interesting. They're at forty nine 226 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: and eighty okay. 227 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: Forty nine and eighty okay, so forty nine, yeah, forty 228 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: nine totally in player. Yeah, absolutely, so that we'll see. Uh, 229 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's get one more in before we take 230 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: a quick break. Jatavian Sanders from Texas. He's the next 231 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: tight end on your list. I've seen only seven touchdowns 232 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: in thirty nine games. Worries me a little bit because 233 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: I want you I want touchdowns from my tight ends 234 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: if I can get them right. 235 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: Sure, those guys are special. Talk. 236 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: Let's break down his game a little bit. What do 237 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: you like about Jatavian Sanders. 238 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: Jatavian Sanders is a guy that I liked more off 239 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: of film and his work during the season than than 240 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: what I've seen during the draft process. Okay, he did 241 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 4: not help himself with a five to seven to three rats. 242 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow. And the reason why it. 243 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 4: You know, it's case specific with these tests in the 244 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 4: athletic profiles. You know, with regards to the prospects, this 245 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: one hurts because Jatavian Sanders can't block. 246 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: He is a he's a big receiver. He's a big 247 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: slot is what he is. 248 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 4: And you were hoping to see the athleticism becoming of 249 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 4: that because you know you're not going to deploy him 250 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: as a blocker at the next level. The testing profile 251 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 4: dragged that down a little bit. Will he still be 252 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 4: tight end two as he was seen? He was seen 253 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 4: his tight end two with a bullet coming into the process. 254 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 4: Will he still be the second tight end take it 255 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 4: in the draft? I'm not sure about that anymore. But 256 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 4: he's six foot four two forty five catch first tight end. 257 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 4: He is skilled, and he's very good down the scene, 258 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: very smooth with that. He has plenty of experience playing 259 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 4: in line at Texas. But like I said, I would 260 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 4: not trust that guy to be blocking out of in line. 261 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: He's going to get ragged. All he has to be 262 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: the big slot. 263 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 4: So it's just going to depend on does he have 264 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 4: the athletic trump cards, does he have an or I 265 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 4: should say, does he have enough. We know he doesn't 266 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: have the trump cards. Does he have enough athleticism for 267 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 4: his game to be able to translate one to one 268 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: the receiving aspect of it to the next level. But 269 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 4: I saw the speed, acceleration, agility on film. He appear 270 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 4: to move better as a route runner on film than 271 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 4: he tested. I like his core strength and balance. He 272 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 4: does not get jarred when he's running his routes. He 273 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 4: also has a high conversion rate in contested scenarios, which 274 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 4: I think is important here when you're talking about going 275 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 4: to that next level when you're facing the elite athletes, 276 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 4: especially if that's something that he has to overcome. 277 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: He was very good at that. 278 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 4: He doesn't break many tackles, but if you hit him 279 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 4: on the hands in space, he is a yet guy 280 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 4: because he smoothly transitions from the receiver to the runner, 281 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 4: thing gets up field, starts running, has pretty good vision. 282 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, he will not be a blocker at the 283 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: next level. He's got to be. He's got to make 284 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: it as a big slot. It's bad sign, bad sign. 285 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: You know, in my experience, players who don't have a 286 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: natural fitted at anyone position fail at all of them, 287 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, And I would get worried that I'm thinking 288 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: of like the Iowa state wide receiver from like three 289 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: years ago, who they you know, like, was too big 290 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: and slow to be a wide receiver. Butler Keem Butler 291 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: super productive, like all these acrobatic catches and stuff. And 292 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: I was really excited for what I thought could be 293 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: a decent NFL career. But he was a player without 294 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: a position, and I worry that that's a little bit 295 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: of what we've got with Jatavian Sanders, a player without 296 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: a position for dis guys and a size and skill set. 297 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Let's take a break. When we come back. 298 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: I want to get to. 299 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Tight End University, Iowa. H You like Eric all And 300 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: a lot more than some other people. Let's talk about him. 301 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: He started at Michigan ends up but at Iowa. Let's 302 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: talk through him when we come back. Welcome back, Paul 303 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: Charchie and Thor Nystrom with you. You can follow Thor 304 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter at thor K. You like Kansas University, you 305 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: got it at Paul Charchie in as well, and again 306 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: check out our Discord server. Go to the show notes, 307 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: click on the link there, and or just look for 308 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Weekly on Discord. Eric All was I don't know, 309 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: three years, four years in Michigan and then left Michigan, 310 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: which is like, why do you leave in Michigan, goes 311 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: to Iowed, which is I guess the one place that 312 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: titan could go, or it makes some sense. Tell me 313 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: why you like Eric Hall a little bit more than 314 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: some others. I've seen him ranked as low as like ten, eleven, 315 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: twelve and in some rankings, but you're a lot more optimistic. 316 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: Let's talk about it. 317 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's getting slept on, and it's good 318 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: symmetry to talk about him. Right after we brought up 319 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: Sam Laporta, Eric All was imported to replace Sam Laporta, 320 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 4: and he went right into the inline spot that Laporta 321 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 4: had played and then became the same sort of aspect 322 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 4: of the offense. Of course, Iowa's offense is terrible, and 323 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 4: right there's funnel a bunch of usage from this terrible 324 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 4: passing get into good tight ends. And Eric All certainly 325 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 4: is that and was that at Michigan. He was the 326 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: move guy, the h back guy, more the sort of 327 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 4: the niche pass game stuff. Then he had a back 328 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: injury that ended his season in twenty twenty two. There 329 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: was a disagreement about whether to get surgery or not, 330 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: the ultimately, you know, cutting the season short. That ultimately 331 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 4: led to him transferring spinal surgery. 332 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: By the way, for Eric All, you know what, that. 333 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: Doesn't ever make me feel better. 334 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: No, yeah, it's you know, and he is going to 335 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: be a big medical guy where your your team's medical 336 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 4: staff is gonna pulke around in there, and they need 337 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 4: to give him obviously not a clean bill of health, 338 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: but you need to know what the risk of re 339 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 4: injury is, you know, how elevated is that. And then 340 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 4: he comes off an ACL tear in October, So we're 341 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 4: getting this scary stuff out of the way first. Now 342 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 4: he's rehabbing from the ACL, right, which is the reason 343 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 4: he did not work out during the pre draft process. 344 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 4: Of course, so the health caveats aside, right, Like, Eric 345 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 4: All needs to be healthy at the next level, and 346 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 4: I think that's why some people rank him maybe a 347 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 4: little bit lower. If now this is a big if, 348 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: I grant you, but if Eric All is healthy at 349 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: the next level or healthy ish. If he has a 350 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: season long periods where he's healthy, he is going to 351 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: be a steal, not only in the NFL draft, obviously 352 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: for fantasy players as well. Eric All six foot four 353 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 4: and a half two hundred and fifty two pounds. Like 354 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 4: I said, he did not get to test. If he 355 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 4: did get to test, I think he would have run 356 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 4: the fastest forty time of any tight end. The guy 357 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 4: who did that was Theo Johnson with a four or 358 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: five seven. That the Penn State kid we're going to 359 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 4: talk about in a second. Yeah, but eric All, interestingly enough, 360 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 4: you see multiple instances of this on tape, but one 361 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 4: sort of proof of concept I have on this idea 362 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: against Penn State. He caught a ball, accelerates around the 363 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 4: corner around Kaylan King, and then it became a foot race. 364 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: Eric All separated away from Kaylan King down the field. 365 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: Kaylan King runs a four or five two right a 366 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: draft prospect in this class. I think eric All was 367 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 4: going to perhaps run a high four to four forty, 368 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 4: just didn't get the opportunity. I also like his change 369 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 4: of direction on the field. Pretty solid route runner. The 370 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 4: best thing about his route running is he accelerates quickly 371 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: out of route breaks and then gets back to top speed. 372 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: There are some there's a few concentration drops. That's the 373 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: one thing I'd want for him to clean up. But 374 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 4: I like his ball skills. He's one of those guys 375 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 4: that works back to the ball, attacks it in the 376 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 4: air full extension. I comp him, you know, interestingly, we 377 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 4: also had brought up the Seattle tight end room and 378 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 4: former Iowa guys. No, you're gonna go a lot of 379 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 4: no offans in his game. When again, when he's healthy. 380 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 4: The first six games of this past season at Iowa, 381 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 4: when he was on the field prior to that ACL tear, 382 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 4: he was putting up numbers comparable to most other tight 383 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: ends in the nation. Like he was way up there 384 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 4: in terms of just the counting stats and certainly yards 385 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 4: per roub run. He might have even been first. But 386 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 4: then you know, of course, what happened happened. But I 387 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: see if he is healthy at the next level, I 388 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 4: think it's a Noah fan like skill set. 389 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: All right, that's Eric all from Iowa. Why do you 390 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: leave Michigan. 391 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 4: Because of the back the back injury and then they 392 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 4: didn't think he should get surgery, but he thought he 393 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 4: should get surgery. Okay, it was a little trust broke 394 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 4: in there, Yeah it was, and there was a deal, 395 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 4: like not all of it got out, but we knew 396 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 4: that there was a disagreement, and then right after that 397 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 4: he summarily announced his transfer. 398 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, all right. 399 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: Kate Stover from Ohio State grew up helping raise cattle 400 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: and pigs and farming hay, corn and soybeans. His teammates 401 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: call him farmer Gronk Stover. Stover has an nil deal 402 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: with an agriculture company called agg Pro, and he plans 403 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: to return to farming after his playing days. He says, 404 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: I just want to go play ball and then come 405 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: home and go back on the farm. 406 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: This is incredible. 407 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: I love that. 408 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 409 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: Tip of that to Dane Brugler who sprinkles that stuff 410 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: into the beast and it's which is great. Kate Stover, 411 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 1: Ohio State, talk to me about him? 412 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, true, true renaissance man. 413 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: Kate Stover was also a former star prep basketball player 414 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 4: and Ohio's Mister Football. Coming out of high school. He 415 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: signed it's such an interesting profile. He signed with Ohio 416 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 4: State actually as a four star linebacker and when he 417 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: came out to forty seven Sports. In the recruiting by 418 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 4: I they'll put they'll do scouting reports and then comp 419 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: them to a current NFL player if they're a high 420 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 4: enough recruit. They comped Kate Stover coming out of high 421 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 4: school to Anthony Barr. 422 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 3: Wow. 423 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 4: Interesting, Okay, he was going to be getting after it 424 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 4: there from the outside linebacker spot when he gets to 425 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: Ohio State. They were working with him on the edge initially, 426 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 4: so it was defensive end and linebacker as a freshman. 427 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: He moved to tight end as a sophomore in twenty twenty. 428 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 4: Then Kate Stover briefly switches back to defense late in 429 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one before he finally got to play tight 430 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: end for two full seasons the last two. Some of 431 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 4: my notes on him springy athlete, skilled receiver, very good hands, 432 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: very very good hands, only two drops on one hundred 433 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 4: plus targets the last two seasons. Love it, and I 434 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 4: like so with his route running. He's not like the 435 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 4: brock Bauers guy with that, but I like where he's 436 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 4: at with how new he is to the position. He 437 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: seems to have a pretty good understanding of route running 438 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 4: concepts despite being a neophyte to the position. I also 439 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: like I love the stop startability with guys into and 440 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 4: out of route breaks. It's it's where you can create 441 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 4: that separation, and he can do that. The thing he 442 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 4: does not have is the high end deep speed, but 443 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: the stuff in the short and intermedia game is certainly 444 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 4: gonna do. 445 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 3: Uh. 446 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 4: He's coming along as a blocker. I like the way 447 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 4: he uses his length and he understands leverage. He also 448 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 4: takes good angles, different stuff like that, but he needs 449 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 4: to continue working on his the overall technique and certainly 450 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 4: the core strength for that to become upper echelon at 451 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 4: the NFL level six four two forty seven eight two 452 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 4: two ras I comped him to Hayden Hurst. 453 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm my worries on drafting Kate stove around to my 454 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: fantasy roster would be he's so green at the position 455 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: that in Titans already take mostly take time to develop. 456 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: I worry that my payoff in Kate Stover is gonna 457 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: be like twenty twenty six. 458 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: That's that. 459 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: That would be my worry from a fantasy aspect. Yeah, yeah, okay. 460 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Last guy that I want to hit on Theo Johnson 461 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: from Penn State. I saw just okay productivity from him, 462 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: and I would like to see, like to have seen 463 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more. But that's you know, this is 464 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: just me looking at at a handful of plays and 465 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: looking at stat lions. Tell me about THEO Johnson. 466 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. 467 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 4: He was the talk of Indianapolis as far as this 468 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 4: position group went, because he just dominated athletic testing. And 469 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: it's like we get these Penn State guys every year 470 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 4: that just test ridiculous. 471 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know what they're doing down there. 472 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 4: But with THEO Johnson sixty six two fifty nine, boy wow, 473 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 4: ninety ninth percentile athlete, and he did all the tests, 474 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 4: including the agility stuff. Was very impressive. I mentioned the 475 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 4: four five seven speed before. The surprising aspect to me 476 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily the speed because north south he's really good. 477 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 4: What surprised me was the agility because on film he 478 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 4: does not change directions that fluidly. It sort of reminded 479 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: me of the year before with zach Kunz, how he 480 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 4: had tested in the agility drills and tested elite, but 481 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 4: on film he he changed directions like a cruise ship. 482 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, zach Kunz began his career at Penn State. Oh, 483 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 4: he had left because Pat Fryermouth you know, yeah, yeah, 484 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 4: had him a fix to the bench then, you know, 485 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 4: and now we have THEO Johnson coming out and ends 486 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 4: his career there. He got the development obviously, he was 487 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 4: in the the strength and conditioning program that turns out 488 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: all these awesome testers during the pre draft process. But 489 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: being at Penn State complicates his evaluation a little bit. 490 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 4: And this gets back to your point chart. So they 491 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 4: ran twelve personnel but had this super risk averse passing offense. 492 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 4: You know, they led, They were led by the foot 493 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 4: of their run game, but they wouldn't let the five 494 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 4: star quarterback drew a Lard throw down the field. Why 495 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 4: this matters for THEO Johnson is I think his best 496 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: thing when we think about him for the next level 497 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 4: threatening the seam. He gets off the line quick, and 498 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 4: he gets nor Sell super quick, and he has decent 499 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 4: enough ball skills. I think down the field is where 500 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 4: the receiving utility with him would be, where you would 501 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 4: be misusing him would be on quick in and out 502 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 4: breaking stuff short and intermediate. Well that's all they were 503 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 4: using their tight ends for. So the passing production, the 504 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 4: receiving production wasn't quite there with him, and there would 505 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 4: be long stretches of games where he would disappear as 506 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 4: a receiver. I would suggest that that was both a 507 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 4: usage issue and then you know, endemic to their offensive 508 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 4: strategy as a whole. But he is THEO Johnson obviously 509 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: one of the best size athleticism combinations in this tight 510 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 4: end class, if not the best, but very inconsistent production 511 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 4: on the field. Like I said, you see, you see 512 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 4: the flashes, but yeah, he needs to it worked on. 513 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 3: He needs to be used a little bit differently. 514 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if he's ever going to be that 515 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 4: efficiency machine that that Penn State wanted him to be 516 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 4: in that specific role. 517 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: So THEO Johnson, you're buying traits, you're buying traits, You're 518 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: buying traits and saying, you know what, in time we 519 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: can we can develop him. 520 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 4: It's sort of like a Luke Musgrave thing sort of 521 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 4: from last year, you know, with how well he tested 522 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 4: and then you saw flashes on film, but it wasn't 523 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 4: enough of them for Musgrave. It was for different reasons 524 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: the injuries. But with Theo, he was on the field 525 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 4: and we've gotten to see him play in line in 526 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 4: a pro style ish offense. Yeah, it's just if the 527 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 4: usage was different with him, I think potentially then he 528 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 4: could play up. You know, we talked about Musgrave last process. 529 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 4: The most important impressive thing that we had seen with 530 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: him was winning downfield. Again, we just didn't get to 531 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: see enough of that with Leo because of the way 532 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: Penn State played football. 533 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: That's Theo Johnson from Penn State. Well, we will circle 534 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: back with you after the draft, not the Friday of 535 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: the draft, but the friday after that. I'm already I 536 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: would like to book you now, I mean, and let's 537 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: break down all the all the big moves, and that 538 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: might be some more tight ends we're not talking about. 539 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: Maybe it's Dylan Holker, whoever, you know who knows well, 540 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, there could be a surprise. Somebody jumps into 541 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: the third round and it's a perfect spid. The Bengals 542 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: pick a tight end in the third round. We're talking 543 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: about it. 544 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 3: We're all gonna be crossing our freight. 545 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's some there's gonna be some great opportunities there. 546 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: Terrific job breaking down Bowers, Sinnate Sanders, Eric Hall, cad Stovert, 547 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: Theo Johnson, thank you, appreciate church. All right, talk to 548 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: you later, my man. Thank you for listening, everybody. We'll 549 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: be back with more Fantasy Football Weekly next week. Fantasy 550 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: Football Weekly is a production of iHeartRadio. 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