1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to this league uncut in the rule of twenty 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: four hour NBA News. This's you, Chris Haynes. It's so time, 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: work's time, It's so time. This league uncut is underway 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: and on fire. 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: This should be a good one. 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: Happy Halloween everyone, Welcome in to this league uncut. Mark 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: Stein here with Chris Haynes. Holiday Podcast. You could even 8 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: call it an emergency podcast if you want to throw 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: it into that genre, because we have a blockbuster trade 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: to react to. The Philadelphia seventy six Ers and the 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: Los Angeles Clippers. With an assist from the Oklahoma City Thunder, 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: they finally have a deal to send James Harden back 13 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: home to Los Angeles. The Clippers now just rack. They 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: have extended it to four future Hall of famers who 15 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: all played their high school ball in southern California, Kawhi Leonard, 16 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: Paul George, and Russell Westbrook now to be joined by 17 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: James Harden. You know both of these sides. You know, 18 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 3: we heard so much in recent weeks about how the 19 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: Clippers were not going to put Terrence Mann in this deal. 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 3: The Sixers were not going to do the trade unless 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: they got either Terrence Man with an unprotected first round 22 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: pick or two future unprotected first round picks. It's the 23 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: Clippers who win that face off. Yes, the Sixers did 24 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: ultimately get two future first round picks in the trade, 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: but one of the two is far from unprotected. It'll 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: be the worst of three selections that currently belong to 27 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: the Oklahoma City Thunder in twenty twenty six. The worst 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: of those three picks will go to Philly. We are 29 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: gonna break it all down now. Chris Haynes is here 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: with me. You know, Chris, really, when you think about 31 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: it now, he got a lot of this rolling last 32 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: week when he reported the chaos that erupted in Philadelphia 33 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 3: when James Harden, after a ten day absence, rejoined the team, 34 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: showed up at practice after missing a bunch of time, 35 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: wanted to fly with the team to Milwaukee, went to 36 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: the airport, was told that he could not get on 37 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: the team plane. And now this week, it was today, 38 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: on this Halloween, that James Harden was supposed to return 39 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: to the practice floor and supposed to join the Sixers 40 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: for full speed practices. And instead, what we've seen here 41 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: is the Sixers deciding, after a pretty chaotic month of October, 42 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: no we don't want to go forward with this James 43 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: Harden situation anymore. Things are going well, Tyrese MAXI looks 44 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: like an All Star. We are going to do this 45 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: trade now. So now I'm going to bring in Chris 46 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: Haynes after that extended bout of Halloween rambling for me, 47 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 3: mister Haynes, what do we think? What do we think 48 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: that this guy? I have tons of thoughts that I'm 49 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: going to unload on you here in a moment, but 50 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the floor first. Just give 51 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: me your immediate reactions to the fact that after months now, 52 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: the Sixers and the Clippers finally got a hardened deal done. 53 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, James got what do he wanted? It happened. You know, 54 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 4: you have to give credit to his representation, Troy Payne, 55 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: Mike Silverman. This was something that was ongoing for I 56 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 4: believe about four months, and we heard the Clippers were in, 57 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: they're out, they're in, they're out, and whatever, And you know, 58 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: you were hearing that there just wasn't a market for 59 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 4: James Harden, and there really wasn't, you know not Is 60 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: it the usual market that they would be for a 61 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: player of his caliber. Obviously, there's stinguwaighting circumstances to why 62 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 4: that's the case. But James got to La, he got 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 4: to the Clippers, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George, 64 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 4: ty Lou. You know, I can say that James as 65 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 4: spoken to Kawhi, spoken with Paul George, You've spoken with 66 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 4: Russ and Tyere already spoken with those four that I 67 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: know for sure already, and they're ecstatic. They they're talking 68 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 4: about their partnership, what they what they're trying to do. 69 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: And ultimately, you know, within all those conversations that he had, 70 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 4: championship kept coming up. So that's the mindset that they're in. 71 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: And uh, you know, I'm I'm looking forward to seeing 72 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 4: how it's going to work. You know, it's it's definitely 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 4: a great storyline. You know, all those guys you know 74 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 4: playing being from southern California, so you know that's going 75 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 4: to be cool to see. But I think Ali from 76 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 4: the Sixers standpoint, I was told Stein that the ownership 77 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 4: group got involved. Why did they, I don't know, but 78 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: I do believe that they didn't feel like it was 79 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: worth bringing James Harden back in the fold or trying 80 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: to bring him back into the fold. Not to say that, 81 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 4: not to say that James was going to ever play 82 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 4: a game another game for the Sixers, but you know, 83 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: I think the episode just got tiresome for everybody, and 84 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: I think for whatever reason, they felt like they need 85 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 4: to cut it right now, and so they ended up getting, 86 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: you know, got some two first round picks, you know, 87 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: out of the deal swap, and you know, Sixers aren't done. 88 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: You know, they're gonna try to flip that into bringing 89 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: in a key player, maybe a star player, borderline star 90 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: type player, because they have to. You know, from here 91 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: on out, it's about appeasing Joel Embiid and putting the 92 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: right roster around him. So ultimately, James Harten got his way, 93 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 4: Daryl Morey got some assets in return to try to 94 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: improve the roster even more. So now we've got to 95 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 4: see what Daryl go you know, what he does from here. 96 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say with when you look 97 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: at these four guys together again for Southern California legends. 98 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: Really when you look Kawhi, Paul, George Russell Westbrook, James Harden, 99 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: so it is the best team in cif history. Are 100 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: they gonna win? 101 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: The West. 102 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: Can they get out of a West that is still 103 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: ruled by the Denver Nuggets, that still houses the Phoenix 104 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: Suns and their super team trio with Durant and Booker 105 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 3: and Bradley Beale. Golden State has looked really good to 106 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: start the season. Chris Paul has not only accepted a 107 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: move to the bench, but has really four to the 108 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: Warriors bench. When Stephen Curry goes out of the game, 109 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: the Warriors are not getting roasted like they have been 110 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: in the recent past. And if Chris Paul stays in 111 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: that role and continues to lead the bench, I mean 112 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: he is going to address a major shortcoming that the 113 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: more modern Warriors have faced. You know, we can go 114 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: on and on and on about how deep the West is, 115 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: but we will get we will we will get to 116 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: both how this impacts the Clippers and the Sixers. But 117 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: I want to start with what you said about James 118 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: Harden because I wrote a call about this already I 119 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: posted on my sub stack. It is it is amazing 120 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: what James Harden has pulled off here. And people are 121 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: going to point to his resume and say, no championship rings, 122 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: and that is the fairest of criticisms. It's fair and 123 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: it's factual. But James Harden the Beard. He is the 124 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: NBA's undisputed champion when it comes to getting what he wants. 125 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: He opted in, He picked up the player option thirty 126 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: five point six million, and appeared at that time. He 127 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: picked up the player option and demanded a trade in 128 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: the same swoop, and all the know it alls league wide, 129 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: including myself, said, you just forfeited all control. You don't 130 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: have a lot of leverage. There isn't a market for 131 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: you. You're thirty four. Now, You're not the James Harden who 132 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: forced his way out of Houston to Brooklyn, or even 133 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: went from brook Brooklyn to Philly. And with all the 134 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: naysayers being very loud, James Harden again for the second 135 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: time in his career, more than a decade since the 136 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: last time, he wins Halloween. He is the champion of Halloween. 137 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: He gets the trade to the team. There was only 138 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: one team on his list, and he got the trade 139 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: to the Clippers. And I remember, I will never forget 140 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: what it was like in October twenty twelve, how stunning 141 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: it was just a few days before Halloween when Oklahoma 142 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 3: City abruptly traded him to Houston. Halloween came, Harden got 143 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: a new deal. On the same day as Opening Night. 144 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 3: He torched the Detroit Pistons thirty seven points, twelve assists, 145 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: six rebounds for steals, and now eleven years later, he's 146 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: the He wins Halloween again. He scoops up all the treats. 147 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 5: And this is the same guy he he bailed on 148 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 5: media Day, He missed most of training camp, he played 149 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 5: zero preseason games, and despite all that and all the 150 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 5: naysaying around. 151 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: The league, he gets the trade he wants to the Clippers. 152 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: It's truly truly astonishing, and I think what you suggested 153 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: is exactly right. The Sixers. Things are going well. Maxie 154 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 3: looks better than ever. Joel EMBII just started the season 155 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: very plugged in, and I think it's pretty clear they 156 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: just didn't want to mess with that. They didn't want 157 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: to bring the unpredictable Hardened back into their team program 158 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: in fear it's already been a chaotic October with the 159 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: scene you described in your story about him trying to 160 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: get on the team plane to fly to Milwaukee. They 161 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: clearly just didn't want to deal with that anymore. And 162 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: here we are. 163 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, and unpredictable very good way to put it. They 164 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: didn't know what to expect, and they could not they 165 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: could not reasonably go to I'm talking about day, I'm 166 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: talking about management ownership. They couldn't reasonably tell the players 167 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 4: that another scene or episode would not occur. They couldn't 168 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 4: promise that, and so unpredictable is a very fair descriptor. 169 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 4: So you know it again, I think you're you're right. 170 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: I think with everything that's going on right now, it 171 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 4: seemed like there's just good vibes right now with the Sixers. 172 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: It probably would Lightweight probably would have been irresponsible to 173 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 4: bring him back. And you know, it's funny. I remember 174 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 4: when you know, Dame Dame Damian Lillard is going through 175 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 4: his situation where he tried to get traded to Miami, 176 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: and obviously he did got to the Bucks, and then 177 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: everybody was like, well, this is the tide changing now, 178 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 4: is it? Is it? Empower player? Empower is over? Well? 179 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: What nobody? 180 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 4: What does what does this say? Right here? I don't know? 181 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is when like he we've all 182 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: been saying for months, he's got no leverage, he how 183 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: can he how can he expect to just pick up 184 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: his option and demand that they trade him on a 185 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: one team wish list. But he got he got his 186 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: way in the end. I mean, it's it is. It's 187 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: amazing how many times Harden has been able to do this. 188 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 4: Clearly he has a talent for this sort of thing 189 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 4: right here, Clearly like there's there's something that he knows, 190 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 4: his representation knows, inner circle that something they know about 191 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 4: some little loophole and which when they can pull off 192 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 4: every single time they he got it done. And I'm listen, 193 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: I'm telling you he's in From what I'm told, he's 194 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 4: in good shape. He's gonna take some it's gonna take 195 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 4: some practices. I can't produce a Ryan. You have to 196 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: tell me when the Clippers next game is, but it's 197 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: gonna He's not gonna be available for their for the 198 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 4: Clippers next game. I can tell you that it's gonna 199 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 4: take a few practices to get them, to get them acclimated. 200 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: But I know he's gonna be I know the Clippers 201 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: are in Dallas on November tenth, and that I'm sure 202 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: he'll make his debut before November tenth. Yeah, but I'm 203 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: I'm gonna see him pretty early which I'm really looking 204 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: forward to, and because you know, if I have to 205 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: judge it, you know, and it's a hard call right now. 206 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: I mean, like like in this column I wrote, if 207 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: you're looking for winners and losers in this trade, immediate 208 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: winners and losers. Right now, to me, there is only 209 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: one party you can say that is indisputably triumphant, and 210 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: that's James Harden himself. Because, yes, Damian Lillard, we all 211 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: know Miami was his first choice. He's happy in Milwaukee. 212 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: But we can't sit here and pretend that the Bucks 213 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 3: were his first choice. Donovan Mitchell a year ago, everybody 214 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: was expecting Donovan Mitchell to land with the New York Knicks. No, 215 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: he got traded to Cleveland. In that scenario, and one 216 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: I forgot hat tip to our buddy Jake Fisher. I 217 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have forgotten this since this involves a player 218 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: who plays in the city in which I reside. But 219 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving, you wouldn't have said that the Dallas Mavericks 220 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: were at the top of his initial list when he 221 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: wanted out of Brooklyn. That would have been the Lakers. 222 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: But Kyrie ended up getting traded to Dallas. So we've 223 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: seen recent examples, multiple recent examples where star players didn't 224 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: get to go where they were hoping, and James Harden, 225 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: with seemingly no leverage, gets to go precisely where he 226 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: wanted to go. But if we're now talking about the teams, 227 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: I think in both cases, you know we're going to 228 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: need six months to decide if either the Clippers or 229 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: the Sixers can be classified as a winner in this situation. 230 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: If you force me today to grade it, I would say, 231 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: I think, underline, think that I like it better for 232 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: the Clippers than the Sixers as we speak, because, for one, 233 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: I think it was clear to them that they knew 234 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: they didn't have an around Kawhi and PG to get 235 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: out of the West the way this team is currently built, 236 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: and we know for so long they've needed a point guard, 237 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: a floor leader, and organizer. And no matter what criticisms 238 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: you want to level at James Harden, the man averaged 239 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: almost eleven assists per game last season and certainly helped 240 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: Joel Embiid a huge amount in Joel Embiid's quest to 241 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: finally win the MVP Award. B The Clippers are thrilled 242 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: that they didn't have to include either Terrence Man or 243 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: Norman Pouinis Powell in this deal, and they were able 244 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: to get it done with Covington, Batoom, Marcus Morris and 245 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: all the draft compensation. And the Clippers also get PJ. 246 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: Tucker in this thing. And I remember it was way 247 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it must have been June when you sat 248 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: on this podcast, and I remember you were the first 249 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: person I heard say it. Don't be surprised if PJ. 250 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: Tucker ends up with the Clippers with James Harden. And 251 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: you called that shot about four or five months ago. 252 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: He's tied. He's been tied with James for a very 253 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: long time now. 254 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: Now on the downside, with the Clippers, all these Kawhi, 255 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: Leonard Paul George, James Harden, Russell Westbrook all free agents 256 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: potentially at season n In both Kawhi's case and pg's case, 257 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: they've got a player option to decide on. James Harden 258 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: is ineligible to do a contract extension during the season. 259 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook is on a one year deal. The Clippers 260 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: have traded away a bazillion first round picks to put 261 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: this team together, too many for us to even count. 262 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: They are the ultimate win or bust championship or bust team. 263 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: It's their last year in Staples Center, and yes, I'm 264 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: still calling it Staple Center. It's their last year at 265 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: Staples as the Lakers co tenant. There's gonna be a 266 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: lot of questions about what this means for Russ, who's 267 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: gotten off to a good start this season. But the 268 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: Clippers have a lot riding on this season, a lot 269 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 3: to figure out. But my sense is that, you know, 270 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: they're hoping that all these veterans, because of the contract 271 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: uncertainty that they all face, that it's going to motivate 272 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: them to coalesce quickly and form a contender quickly. We'll 273 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 3: see if that's the way it actually plays out. 274 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 4: I was also told that James Harten is suspected to 275 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 4: land in LA today at five pm. And thanks to 276 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 4: producer Ryan who gave me the Clipper schedule, the Clippers 277 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: play tonight at home against the Orlando Magic, and then 278 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: they got tomorrow night, they got the Lakers. So the 279 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 4: plan is for James Harten to attend tonight's game. He 280 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: lands at five, and I believe the game will be 281 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 4: either at seven o'clock or seven thirty tonight against the 282 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 4: Orlando Magic. 283 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: So it wouldn't shock me if he's out there against 284 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: the Lakers. I know he's not gonna have any practice time. 285 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 3: I know they could say it's too soon, but I 286 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: guess I still remember his holdout season with the Rockets, 287 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: when you know, he was participating in almost nothing and 288 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: then showed up and went to your old stomping grounds 289 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: in Portland and and threw up a forty spot with 290 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: like no preparation whatsoever. So I have no inside information there, 291 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: but something tells me that I wouldn't. I'm just saying 292 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 3: I would not be shocked to see him out there 293 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 3: against the Lakers. 294 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 4: Got you. Yeah, that would be surprising right there. That 295 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: would be This is a back to back, so yeah, 296 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 4: no practice at all, just jump right in there. Yeah, 297 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: if anybody could do it as him, but yeah, that 298 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: that would be surprising. 299 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 3: I don't want to make too much of this, but 300 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: if I understood you, right, he has spoken to Kawhi 301 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: and PG and Tylu, but not Russ. 302 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: No, and Russ and Russ and Paul Kawhi, Russ and Tylu. 303 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm glad I clarified that. So I mean, yeah, 304 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: because I think everyone will be curious how kind of 305 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: he blends in with you know, the reunite, reunite with 306 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook as well again with Russ off to a 307 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 3: very good start this season. But yeah, the Clippers are 308 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: going for it, and they have to go for it 309 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: all right. Now, let's look at this from the Sixers perspective. 310 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: I think you can't just reflexively assign them a trade 311 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 3: grade from the jump, because we know they're going to 312 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: try to take the draft picks they've acquired and turned 313 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: that into something else to form a new star trio. 314 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 3: Who's going to be the third star who joins Joe 315 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: l Embiid and Tyrese Maxi, you know, and there's already 316 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: names out there like o Jannanobi from Toronto, Zach Levine 317 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: from Chicago. Though, I think if you've really studied Darryl 318 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: Mory's history, something tells me that he has a list 319 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 3: of even loftier targets, because that's just the way Daryl 320 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: Morey has always operated. Now, the question will be, though, 321 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 3: can they pull this off? They're also going to have 322 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 3: a lot of cap space in the summer, But the 323 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: question will be, as always, this is still all about 324 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: Joe L. Embiid, Is he going to be okay with 325 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 3: this trade? Is you know, how does he feel about 326 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: his Philly future? There have been murmurs around the league. 327 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard them too, that the relationship with 328 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 3: Darryl Moray has been dented to some degree. You know, 329 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: to what degree I think is hard to pinpoint, but 330 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 3: you know, what is the state of his relationship with 331 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 3: Darryl Moray after this saga? After losing some talent here? 332 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: There's no question that although the Clipper veterans coming in, 333 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: all these guys can play and be contributors, but none 334 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 3: of the players that Philly is getting in this deal 335 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 3: in the short term you would classify as stars. They've 336 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: got a new coach and Nick Nurse Maxy, the reigning 337 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 3: Eastern Conferences Player of the Week is certainly, you know, 338 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 3: played even better than Philly was hoping. But really, what 339 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: only Joel Embiid knows the true answers to all these 340 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 3: questions and how he feels about his future there. He 341 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: turns thirty in March and can just the subtraction of 342 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: the hardened saga cannot become additioned by subtraction until the 343 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 3: Sixers can make the move they make to bring that 344 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 3: new third star in. And I can't answer that question 345 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: on Halloween. 346 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean only MB can answer that question for us. Well, 347 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 4: what I can tell you is that, you know, he 348 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 4: was Joel's a professional and when I had their game 349 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 4: last week, the Bucks Sixers opener last Thursday, you know, 350 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 4: he gave me a little bit of time right before 351 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 4: the game, after he did his pregame warm up, and 352 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 4: he knew the line of questions that was coming and 353 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 4: he has he hadn't spoken spoken on it, you know, 354 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: in a while. But he's a professional and you know, 355 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: and he's cool with me, so he gave you know, 356 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 4: he gave me something on James at that time. It 357 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 4: was like, listen, you know, I gotta control what I 358 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 4: can control, and I got to worry about the guys 359 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: that are in uniform now, he said, but we are 360 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 4: a better team with James Harden. And so from that standpoint, 361 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 4: my hope is that he comes back. But you know, 362 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 4: he's the way he said it, Steinn, it was like 363 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 4: he was fatigued, that's the way. That's the way he 364 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: came off. He was fatigued with just everything that's going around. 365 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 4: By the way he was answering my questions and and I, 366 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: you know, I know Joel so I you know, so 367 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 4: I got that feel. So, you know, look, at the 368 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 4: end of the day, the move was made, but there's 369 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 4: still work to be done. What is Daryl going to 370 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 4: do on the flip side to improve his roster? Because 371 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 4: nice pieces, nice core pieces that you know, they got 372 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 4: our guy, Nicholas Patuno over there. 373 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 3: Now, I was gonna say, I think I think Batum 374 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: is one of the underrated, you know, aspects of this deal. 375 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: And I don't think anybody's gonna be really talking about 376 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: that today, But I think Nick Patum can help them. 377 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: He is going to be a useful addition to that team, 378 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: no question. 379 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 4: It's going to be definitely be a solid contributor. So, 380 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 4: but they need more, they need more. This is this 381 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 4: is going to be a big move. This is going 382 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 4: to be a big move on So you know, Daryl's 383 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 4: on the clock. 384 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. And look, there's a lot of talk 385 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 3: around the league that he's under huge pressure, and I 386 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: don't believe that it's huge job pressure. I think Sixers 387 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: ownership has invested a lot of money in hiring Darryl Morey, 388 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: and I think you know, I don't think at this 389 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: point he's GMing for his job as as people sometimes suggest, 390 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, he's got he's got to get the next 391 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: move right. And you know, I feel like I can 392 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 3: say that because I you know, he. 393 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 4: Right. 394 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 3: He was very patient with Ben Simmons, and he took 395 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 3: a lot of criticism from around the league, and a 396 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 3: lot of people thought that the Sixers were crazy to 397 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: hold on to Ben Simmons as long as they did 398 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: that season, But and they got the trade they wanted 399 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 3: then because he got hardened. But my question then was, 400 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: you know, is Harden the right guy? Is? You know, 401 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: this isn't the James Harden of Houston. And even if 402 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 3: he is, how as the GM. You know, one of 403 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 3: the reasons Darryl Mory was so successful as the Rockets 404 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: GM was because the whole thing was built around James Harden. 405 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: But in Philly, the whole thing was built around and 406 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: remains built around Joel Embiid. You can't have two players 407 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: like that that you try to shower with all the love. 408 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: The Sixers were always going to be Joel Embiid's team, 409 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: So I question, I questioned from the start, why make 410 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: Harden the guy to put all your energy into going 411 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: after And Darryl Mory spent the first fifteen months of 412 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: his Sixers' reign trying to get James Harden. He did, 413 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 3: he succeeded. But a year and a half later, the 414 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: love triangle of Joel Embiid, James Harden and Darryl Mory 415 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: it imploded. And now the Sixers have to start over. 416 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: Where they are. Incredibly fortunate is that Maxi again, they 417 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: had high hopes for him coming in the season. Tyresee, 418 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 3: Basey looks even better than the Sixers dream scenario coming 419 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: into the season, and so that is one absolute saving grace. 420 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: And now let's see they've got assets to go out 421 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: and make another trade. But again, how long will that take? 422 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: And does Joel Embiid stay plugged into the program? These 423 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: are the things that the Sixers can't answer today, and 424 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 3: they need to get answers to as soon as possible 425 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 3: to keep themselves on a title track because Milwaukee and 426 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: Boston at the top of the East, both these teams 427 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: look so formidable. All right, everyone that is going to 428 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 3: do it for this emergency Halloween edition of This League Uncut. 429 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: You don't typically see blockbuster trades at this juncture on 430 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: the calendar. But somehow, when the story of James Harden 431 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 3: is written, people will look back and see that twice 432 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: the man was the centerpiece of a late October blockbuster. 433 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 3: Truly remarkable. That is going to do it for Chris 434 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: and I. We're gonna be back again soon. We've still 435 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 3: got another pod or to plan this week. Please remember 436 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 3: to rate, review, and subscribe to the show if you 437 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: haven't already For Haines, this is Stein. We'll be back 438 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 3: with you soon, and. 439 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: That'll do it for us. See you next time. This 440 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: league uncutage, an iHeartRadio production, Chris 441 00:27:40,920 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: Haynes and Mark Stein