Speaker 1: So I think we can all agree that Echo golf
Speaker 1: shoes changed the game. When Fred couples rolled up wearing
Speaker 1: them without socks, it spoke to their comfort and just
Speaker 1: sort of that that effortless cool. But you have an
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer story I want to hear. Right, Let's have
Speaker 1: I ever told you about my last visit with Arnold.
Speaker 1: I saw Arnold. I would like to thank no reporters
Speaker 1: for Arnold more than I did when he was in
Speaker 1: his eighties. My last visit with him was in Latrobe,
Speaker 1: and I drove there wearing these pathetic birken stocks when
Speaker 1: I got always I'll just wear my shoes when I
Speaker 1: get there. But when I got there, all I had
Speaker 1: was my Echo golf shoes. And Arnold's really formal, and
Speaker 1: I'm going into his office with my cleaned up Echo
Speaker 1: golf shoes and armoms like checking me out, and he's nodding,
Speaker 1: and I said, Arnold, you're looking at my socks and
Speaker 1: these arms like, no, I'm looking at your shoes. And
Speaker 1: then Arnold talked about all the different shoes he wore,
Speaker 1: and no questioner, Arnold Doug the Echo shoe. I love
Speaker 1: the Echo show. I know you do too, Uh, it's
Speaker 1: a great shoe sales resistant. If it's good enough for
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer and Fred Couples, it's good enough for the
Speaker 1: rest of you. So go to Echo dot com and um,
Speaker 1: you can find one that fits that you like that
Speaker 1: people will stare at, like Arnie. So back to need
Speaker 1: a fourth, Jeff, I called you, Jeff, Yes, absolutely, m hmm.
Speaker 1: Golf is the thing on anything in golf that doesn't change,
Speaker 1: the only thing that changes the best in playing? Does
Speaker 1: this man of one time winner on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: The point Alan is he didn't go Hollywood. You need
Speaker 1: a fourth? This is fun. So let's say you're probably
Speaker 1: a better guitar player than I am a golfer. I
Speaker 1: think it's the reason so many athletes across sports. I
Speaker 1: think he's the greatest athlete they ever saw. I would
Speaker 1: go to the range and I would try to hit
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of hundred one irons, and I
Speaker 1: would try to hit him as high and as hard
Speaker 1: as I could. Great athletes do leave a legacies. You're
Speaker 1: kind only the one I can share. Not get myself
Speaker 1: in trouble. Oh my god, this is a dangerous grow
Speaker 1: their Welcome back to Anita fourth. This is Alan Schipnak.
Speaker 1: This is the podcast where myself, Michael Bamberger, and US
Speaker 1: Open champion Jeff Ogilvie take turn surprising each other with
Speaker 1: mystery guests. Uh. Today's is an active PG tour player.
Speaker 1: He's from the great state of Washington, not Fred Couples. Uh.
Speaker 1: He contended at this year's US Open until the bitter end. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we saw a little too much of him at this
Speaker 1: year's Phoenix Open, a little too much of him. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm making this easy, guys. He is known for is fun,
Speaker 1: quirky chemistry with his long time caddy. All Right, forget it,
Speaker 1: Joel David, come on down and show yourself. What's happened.
Speaker 1: How we doing, guys? This is fun. So you look
Speaker 1: a little nervous. I can see you're scanning from face
Speaker 1: to face on Yeah. This is uh, Jeff, are you
Speaker 1: back in Australia, Back in Australia. Yeah, yeah, Okay, I
Speaker 1: have no idea what time would be there, but it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's in the morning. It's so good tomorrow. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like time travel. And Michael, where are you? Joel?
Speaker 1: I mean I'm in San Diego and Uh, I know
Speaker 1: you don't know me, but you you made a big
Speaker 1: impression on me. The first time I saw you in person.
Speaker 1: It was at the Washington event and it was the
Speaker 1: one that uh that Mullinari Mulinari one, and I was
Speaker 1: following you. I think I was drawn to the floppy
Speaker 1: hat and there were and I don't remember the ins
Speaker 1: and outs of it, but you got the red ass
Speaker 1: because there was a cheating thing going on and we're
Speaker 1: going to get to the bottom of it. That's the headline,
Speaker 1: and I don't know the story behind it, but I
Speaker 1: remember being impressed. Uh yeah, that that did happen. It
Speaker 1: was I played with Tiger on Saturday, so it was
Speaker 1: already like the biggest move of my career at the time.
Speaker 1: It's my second year on tour. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: find my way, really and then Sunday happens on the
Speaker 1: tenth hole, and uh yeah, that was that was still
Speaker 1: probably the biggest point of my golf career. Wait does
Speaker 1: that come up? Do you guys talk about that with
Speaker 1: you all the time? Like, uh so, Maxi Holm I
Speaker 1: had his big baby shower last night, and so you know,
Speaker 1: he's got a bunch of people over his house. We're
Speaker 1: having a grand old time and it comes up. I
Speaker 1: mean it is, it is quite often. I actually caddied
Speaker 1: for Brandon Harkins three weeks ago now and in Boise
Speaker 1: at the corn Ferry Finals event. So we're out playing
Speaker 1: a practice and the parents come out on Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 1: We'repared with son kang no way, what are the odds
Speaker 1: of that? Like, it's uh that the tours really kept
Speaker 1: a separate uh, you know, we played out the same
Speaker 1: category for a while, never even like in the same
Speaker 1: morning and afternoon went like we were always opposite waves,
Speaker 1: not even close to each other. So we've only played
Speaker 1: together once since then, and it's been fine. We were
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we were friends before. It's likely over.
Speaker 1: We didn't know who each other was really before and
Speaker 1: it's been fine. Afterwards. I I raked his bunker and
Speaker 1: I cleaned his ball and told him good shots, so
Speaker 1: it was all it's all good. That's so commendable. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one thing I want to ask you about, was
Speaker 1: your experience caddying, because Brandon, mean one of your when
Speaker 1: you're great friends, it's it's a big moment in his career.
Speaker 1: You have some knowhow, but playing a caddy is not
Speaker 1: the same. So what was experience like being on the
Speaker 1: other side of the strap. Yeah, caddying is so hard. One.
Speaker 1: I'm almost thirty five. I'm a professional athlete, is what
Speaker 1: you know? I guess technically I'm a professional athlete. I'm
Speaker 1: suppose to be in the prime of my career and I, uh,
Speaker 1: it's hard to carry that bag. You know, I had
Speaker 1: the full staff bag. It was as light as it
Speaker 1: could possibly be. Uh, and it was still it was
Speaker 1: still tough. But um sell bishally, I want to back
Speaker 1: on the PGA tour. Um. You know, he finished twenty
Speaker 1: six in the regular season. I just missed out. I'm
Speaker 1: actually going over to his house for dinner tonight. I
Speaker 1: just got back in. So we're super close, and I was,
Speaker 1: you know, he called me Sunday night and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: can I you know, I can can can? Can Can
Speaker 1: I come up? And caddy, I said, yeah, sure, um,
Speaker 1: anything I can do to help, But it's so hard
Speaker 1: to help in like a one week's time. It's like
Speaker 1: you're not really gonna work on the golf swing. You're
Speaker 1: just trying to make him happy and stay out of
Speaker 1: his way. Really for the most part. But now we're
Speaker 1: in boys, you're also at elevations. We're playing five to
Speaker 1: ten percent pinning on the heat. I haven't carried a
Speaker 1: book and done a yard is in five years. Gino
Speaker 1: is a great caddy. He takes care of all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So now he's relying on me to do the numbers.
Speaker 1: I am panicking about that. I'm always thinking about the
Speaker 1: next shot, like you know where the pin is and
Speaker 1: all the slopes and everything you possibly do, and like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's fast. It is really fast out there,
Speaker 1: and then you're trying to make sure you get the pin.
Speaker 1: You're just trying to be in the way, trying to
Speaker 1: clean the ball. Like it was a It was a
Speaker 1: new found respect again. I've I've I think I treat
Speaker 1: caddies pretty well. I would have a great relationship with
Speaker 1: my with with Gena. He's my best friend. But I
Speaker 1: can still kind of be a butt head out there
Speaker 1: at times, and so I'm gonna be a lot gentler
Speaker 1: to too Geno going forward, for sure, do you think
Speaker 1: we'd all be better players if we had to caddy
Speaker 1: for someone once and once every now and then. I
Speaker 1: said that quote in an interview. I learned someone else.
Speaker 1: They said every good player should caddy one time for
Speaker 1: another good player. Um, in a big event, I think
Speaker 1: it's so hard. And you know, does he want to
Speaker 1: hit a little pitching wedge or a big gap? Which,
Speaker 1: like what's he feeling keeping track of the wind? Like?
Speaker 1: Then he called in for a read and you're like,
Speaker 1: do you like? He says it's a cup out and
Speaker 1: I'm only on the edge, Like, do I give him
Speaker 1: like a ball and a half to split the difference? Right?
Speaker 1: It really tell him what I feel? Uh? It is
Speaker 1: it's it's hard work, and um, I'm glad I'm on
Speaker 1: the playing side of it for now. For sure. Did
Speaker 1: you carry the umbrella? No, no one rella. We carried
Speaker 1: like four balls in the bag. He actually didn't even
Speaker 1: put a water in the bag because he would chug
Speaker 1: it on the tea box and throw it in the garbage.
Speaker 1: So I didn't have to carry an extra water like
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty funny. Well, he didn't have
Speaker 1: anything extra in there. That is such an insightful common
Speaker 1: jep because in my experience, guys will carry the umbrella
Speaker 1: when there's a zero point zero chance of rain. Uh
Speaker 1: So it depends on the boss. It does depends on
Speaker 1: the boss. It's all about the player. Like if the
Speaker 1: if the boss is um he's a tough one, you
Speaker 1: carry the umbrella un percent of the time. But most players,
Speaker 1: I think, leave the caddy. It's like your choice. But
Speaker 1: if we get stuck with that one, you're in. It
Speaker 1: was a congree a couple of years ago, JT Post
Speaker 1: and famously got caught in the rain. There was zero
Speaker 1: cent chance and Aaron Fleaner uh did not have it
Speaker 1: and he was soaking wet and cleaners. He's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite people. But he's been known to maybe kind
Speaker 1: of corner or two out there, and he's carried the
Speaker 1: umbrella every round since then. So how how can a
Speaker 1: caddy really eat a green for a player when he
Speaker 1: can't really know how hard the player wants to strike
Speaker 1: the putt? Yeah, that's fair. I mean, sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: let's say you're always trying to hit it twelve inches
Speaker 1: or seventeen ins the whole or somewhere in that range. Like,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you're gonn hit a softer and sometimes you're
Speaker 1: just gonna have harder And player doesn't always know what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do to be honest. I mean we try
Speaker 1: to do things, but uh that that part is really difficult.
Speaker 1: I think that comes with a lot of time. Like
Speaker 1: Gino knows the downhillers are going to be hit a
Speaker 1: lot softer obviously, but he's he's we've been together for
Speaker 1: eight years, like he can. That's when you have you know,
Speaker 1: you can really you know, kind of figure out what
Speaker 1: your player does and exactly you know what what was
Speaker 1: tendencies are as well. So um for a one off gig,
Speaker 1: I think he was just trying to have a buddy
Speaker 1: on the bag and help out and unfortunately we actually
Speaker 1: missed a cup by one. But that's how it goes.
Speaker 1: Is there one? Is there one decision that that you
Speaker 1: helped him make that you still regret to of him?
Speaker 1: We were uh first round, we're on the I guess
Speaker 1: it was our like thirteen or fourteen told. But he
Speaker 1: has like a he has a wedge to a back pin.
Speaker 1: If you go along, it's auto bogie and could be
Speaker 1: double and he wanted to chip a pitching wedge back
Speaker 1: there to skip it up the slope. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: if this flies a little too far at skipping into
Speaker 1: the back bunker, No, chance. So I talked him into
Speaker 1: his his gap wedge, which was a perfect number, I thought,
Speaker 1: but he didn't. He want to make sure he got
Speaker 1: it on top. But it's a small little area and
Speaker 1: he kind of goosted a little bit and one hopped
Speaker 1: over to the back bunker and plugged, and then he
Speaker 1: left that one in the bunker and he got that
Speaker 1: one up and down, thankfully for Bogey. But there I
Speaker 1: could have even like lied to him aout a number
Speaker 1: at that point, give him three yards shorter to hit
Speaker 1: it into, because you just know that long is so bad.
Speaker 1: So I should have probably just let him hit his
Speaker 1: pitching wedge and like skip it in there, because that's
Speaker 1: what he kind of wanted. And I was protecting Long
Speaker 1: and um and then in the second round we're going
Speaker 1: for part five, and I said Long was good to
Speaker 1: a back bunker, like his three would go over his
Speaker 1: too and would kind of come up short, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was easier if he hit it over the green,
Speaker 1: so I kind of talked him into a three wood,
Speaker 1: and it was not an easy bunker shot where if
Speaker 1: you would have hit his two iron short, he probably
Speaker 1: could have got up and down. So those two I
Speaker 1: feel kind of crappy about I talked him into we
Speaker 1: had to He had to make two birdies coming in
Speaker 1: the last four. See how we just did the heat
Speaker 1: and wheat thing. That's his problem, not mine. Now. Uh,
Speaker 1: we needed too of our last four and one was
Speaker 1: drivable and he wanted three would again. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go along, so I talked to me to two iron.
Speaker 1: But he didn't hit a great two iron and went
Speaker 1: into a bunker that was forty yard shorts and I
Speaker 1: was dead there. And um, just a couple of things.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, like could another caddy. Maybe another
Speaker 1: caddy wouldn't have helped him in a couple of other spots,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mostly try to stay out
Speaker 1: of the way and just walk fast. But um, it's
Speaker 1: it's so much work, and it's such a hot job.
Speaker 1: It's such a hot job. I imagine. Yeah, yeah, I control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my man used to do that. I'm squirrel who Ketty
Speaker 1: felt me for a really long time. Brilliant Ketty, he
Speaker 1: used to I'm convinced that I would never have any proof.
Speaker 1: He would never tell me, but he used to tell
Speaker 1: me the yardage to pick the club. He wanted me
Speaker 1: to pick, like you say, lying about the yardage, he
Speaker 1: absolutely would tell me a number. He if he wanted
Speaker 1: me to hit seven, he would give me a number
Speaker 1: where I would never hit six. He would just give
Speaker 1: me a different number, So I would pick seven every time. Um.
Speaker 1: And like you said, like one week, catting for a
Speaker 1: guy for one week would be really difficult. Caddy for
Speaker 1: a guy for years and years and years. You become
Speaker 1: one golfer. It's one organism. So you kind of know
Speaker 1: how to read putts for him, and you know what
Speaker 1: he's thinking. You know, you could probably predict when. You
Speaker 1: could predict when I was going to hit the wrong
Speaker 1: club just by my mood walking off the previous green.
Speaker 1: You know you know you're gonna him at the pin
Speaker 1: all of a sudden. It's a bad idea. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: tough jump for one week. Speaking of Squirrel, he's an
Speaker 1: all time caddy. I only was around with him a
Speaker 1: couple of events. I think I played with him once.
Speaker 1: He had looked Donald and Hilton Head and he was great.
Speaker 1: But there's an absolutely, maybe a top five all time
Speaker 1: story that he caddied for you and he answered the
Speaker 1: phone on a T box. Could you you want to
Speaker 1: tell that story. It is, it is unbelievable, it's mostly true. Um,
Speaker 1: well tell a little bit to make it well. He
Speaker 1: tells it the best, especially after a bottle red but
Speaker 1: um tenth at Riviera and we all know the whole um.
Speaker 1: And this is back when it was a fifty fifty call.
Speaker 1: I mean most guys had driven now or three would
Speaker 1: go for the green. But back then it was sort
Speaker 1: of this is I don't know, mid two thousand's half
Speaker 1: the field with hit three or four iron laid up
Speaker 1: and half of field with hit driver and squirrel was
Speaker 1: adamant old school caddy. You laid up Tennant River area.
Speaker 1: You just laid up your three on at the bunker
Speaker 1: wedge on the green, three on at the bunk at
Speaker 1: wedge of the green. And like it was gradually over
Speaker 1: a few years, because we played the every year. Gradually,
Speaker 1: I'm like Driver, He's like, no three on And I
Speaker 1: was getting more and more and more like I wanted
Speaker 1: to go for the green. And finally I doubled nine
Speaker 1: or something walk on too Tennants. Like I met Driver today,
Speaker 1: there's no three eye over there. I'm like, no, i'mitting Driver.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, you're wrong, it's a three eye over there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get out of the way. I'mitting driver, hit driver,
Speaker 1: make double. So we get to the eleventh tea, which
Speaker 1: is a really small, intimate little tea at Riviera. The
Speaker 1: crowd or on top of you, I mean, they can
Speaker 1: hear your whole conversations the tiny little area. And this
Speaker 1: was back when we had like the KNOCKI of well,
Speaker 1: everybody else had probably moved to blackberries and iPhones, but
Speaker 1: he still had the old Knokia phone that had the
Speaker 1: crazy old school ring tone with the aerial I think
Speaker 1: you pulled up when you are when you answer the phone.
Speaker 1: And it was ringing in his bag all the time.
Speaker 1: He wasn't putting it on silent. It was ringing all
Speaker 1: the time. But usually it was a practice round or
Speaker 1: you didn't really notice. This was in the tournament and
Speaker 1: his phone goes off right when I'm over the ball
Speaker 1: um and he and he unzips the bag quietly as
Speaker 1: squirrel do it, just gets it out and answers the phone, look, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: sorry mon cause okay, bye, hangs it up, puts in
Speaker 1: the bag and I just looked straight at him with
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a hundred two other people standing there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing answering the phone? Like
Speaker 1: we're playing a golf tourn it? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: He goes, oh yeah, and who was that? Anyway? Who
Speaker 1: are you answering the phone too? You guys? That was
Speaker 1: my mom. She said no one should hit driver on
Speaker 1: the tenth Riviera. I just couldn't stuff. He just kidding
Speaker 1: me from the most angry man, just a happy, laughing man.
Speaker 1: It was incredible, just one a moment. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: pretty much old truth. Well, thank you for listening to
Speaker 1: need a fourth podcast. We're going to conclude it now
Speaker 1: because right I can't talk that this this podcast over.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. Yeah, the story has been going ever since.
Speaker 1: So good. I love that one. All Right, we'll take
Speaker 1: us inside of the Maxi Homa uh baby shower because
Speaker 1: this this must have been one of the tour events,
Speaker 1: the social gathering of the season. Let's hear about it. It
Speaker 1: It was. It was a pretty big time. So uh.
Speaker 1: He bought a new house recently. Um, it's nice as
Speaker 1: you would imagine. Uh, And he was kind of one
Speaker 1: of the first parties he's kind of really had I
Speaker 1: guess he's he typically goes off site at a house
Speaker 1: to party. I would say, but uh, a lot of people,
Speaker 1: um kind of I wouldn't say who's hooper se but
Speaker 1: there was there were some heavy hitters there and uh,
Speaker 1: just a great time it was. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of young people. Um, you know it kind of knew
Speaker 1: most of them, but it's just it was. He he
Speaker 1: threw it himself, which is one of the cooler things
Speaker 1: that he threw the baby shower for his wife. Um,
Speaker 1: and made a co ed deal, which is a ton
Speaker 1: of fun. Um hung out with Colton Nose there most
Speaker 1: of the time him. You know, you can hear a
Speaker 1: story after story from that guy. Um, it was. It
Speaker 1: was just a lot of fun there was. He had
Speaker 1: a bartender set up so that was good. Plenty of food,
Speaker 1: he had a chef cooking and uh we actually were
Speaker 1: like really well behaved for what kind of could have happened.
Speaker 1: We're only there for three or four hours and um
Speaker 1: I was home at eight o'clock. Uh and um not
Speaker 1: too hungover today. So it was actually really fun. It
Speaker 1: was great. I mean, when you get a bunch of
Speaker 1: tour guys together, do you do you wind up chipping
Speaker 1: in the backyard, like how how does that play out?
Speaker 1: It was one of those things. So yeah, he were
Speaker 1: his me, Coult nosed and Max in the group chat
Speaker 1: in the morning and Colt's like, hey, Joel, do you
Speaker 1: want a pregame this thing? And I'm like sure. So
Speaker 1: we go out to lunch with our wives or his
Speaker 1: his soon to be wife and have some cocktails wherever.
Speaker 1: We were kind of joking. He's like, are we gonna
Speaker 1: play beer pong at this thing? And uh, Max just
Speaker 1: said yeah yeah, but like later, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: classy deal. So I run to Walmart and I grab
Speaker 1: a six ft footable table, red solo cups, beer pong
Speaker 1: balls in a case of beer, and we show up
Speaker 1: a little bit later than most people, and we walk
Speaker 1: into this thing with our table, beer pong balls and
Speaker 1: the whole deal. And we walk in immediately like the
Speaker 1: music stops. Everyone looks at us because we're slightly underdressed
Speaker 1: and we're carrying beer pong supplies, and he's like, oh shit, guys,
Speaker 1: put in the garage. We can do with this later
Speaker 1: because we want to keep it classy for a while.
Speaker 1: So um, we we were going to turn that one
Speaker 1: up and kind of right about that time when it
Speaker 1: could have turned the corner. Are a lot of us
Speaker 1: probably realize it's a terrible idea. So we we all
Speaker 1: kind of went home and all of that is still
Speaker 1: in his garage so that we'll save that for next time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's got a little chipn area back, he's
Speaker 1: got that stuff. We we just kind of sat inside.
Speaker 1: We watch the LSU Florida State game, which is great,
Speaker 1: and we watched the Ciro's tennis match, which is fun.
Speaker 1: And just guys, you know, all the girls are one
Speaker 1: it's like middle school. The girls on one side talking
Speaker 1: about babies and their stuff and all the guys are
Speaker 1: telling tall tales and and watching sports. PGA to a
Speaker 1: baby showers, I mean, how many baby shows have a bah?
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean you can tell them Max. It's
Speaker 1: definitely thrown by a on the you know, of the husband.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like my wife is having a baby shower
Speaker 1: at the end of October and she's like, you have
Speaker 1: to leave for the day, and I'm like, I have
Speaker 1: a day off Saturday. I'm home in the fall like
Speaker 1: it is. I'm gonna be nine o'clock kickoff. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be ready to roll and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have a day for sure. But Jeff, when you
Speaker 1: were when you were based uh in Scottsdale, did did
Speaker 1: your guys overlap a little bit and you and Joel
Speaker 1: did you have any not really? I think no might
Speaker 1: room for jaw when I left, Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1: We played one practice around. I kind of joined you
Speaker 1: for like five holes. He's actually was that week in
Speaker 1: in in d C there in eighteen um and I
Speaker 1: remember this comment. I was like, Oh, where do you live?
Speaker 1: And he said Arcadie. At the time, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love Arcadia, Like and that's actually where Max just
Speaker 1: bought this place. And that's like, that's super nice. It's
Speaker 1: not Scott's Dale. It's like you don't feel like you're
Speaker 1: in Arizona. You don't feel like you're in desert. They
Speaker 1: have green grass, tall, big trees, awesome houses. And I
Speaker 1: was like, because we were kind of looking at actually
Speaker 1: buying a house at that time as our first house
Speaker 1: we're gonna buy. And I remember I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like what are you kind of selling that one for
Speaker 1: type of deal? And he mentioned the number and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I need to win a couple events
Speaker 1: and probably a major two to uh to to to
Speaker 1: live in Arcady at the Ogilvie household for sure, So um,
Speaker 1: that's still our goal. We're actually be in the house
Speaker 1: now in Scottsdale. Hopefully it's done by Christmas. But we
Speaker 1: were down there and first thing, my wife says, like,
Speaker 1: we gotta live here someday, and I'm like, honey, we're
Speaker 1: doing pretty good. But this is like another level of
Speaker 1: to to get what you can get in Scottsdale, to
Speaker 1: get what you can Arcadie is is definitely another level.
Speaker 1: Where as a kid where you want to watch golf
Speaker 1: on TV, Yeah, I watched quite a bit something My
Speaker 1: dad and I did a ton, especially Saturday and Sunday,
Speaker 1: and we would go always play golf afterwards, live right
Speaker 1: by a golf course and it was easy for us
Speaker 1: to go down and cruise round for an evening nine.
Speaker 1: So um, I remember, did Jeff, do you chip in
Speaker 1: on like sixteen or seventeen or yeah, and for par
Speaker 1: for par and you had a awesome drive on eighteen
Speaker 1: and a good wedge shot or like a short iron
Speaker 1: in there. I remember that, but you weren't really talked
Speaker 1: about all day. You were kind of just kind of
Speaker 1: you know Monty, I know, Mr and Iron shot in there,
Speaker 1: and then obviously fills debacle. Uh, but I feel like
Speaker 1: no one was talking about Jeff. He wasn't really on
Speaker 1: TV as much, and an all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: showed him like the last like three holes and then
Speaker 1: he won. So I don't know, it was a bit
Speaker 1: of the pill and Monty show. It was a bit
Speaker 1: of the fulk filling Monty Show really, which is kind
Speaker 1: of nice for you. I guess you can kind of
Speaker 1: not that you were sure, you're still feeling it, but
Speaker 1: he probably felt like you were hiding a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like that when we were there. I mean, um,
Speaker 1: Phil was not. I mean that was the peak of
Speaker 1: Phil in New York on I mean Tiger's father just
Speaker 1: that was his first miscut to the major I think
Speaker 1: wingfoot um, and so it was all that weekend was
Speaker 1: Phil's chance, right, and they just New York, they were
Speaker 1: they had already put him up on the throne um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was good for me. He turned out
Speaker 1: good for me. It was a little bit like the
Speaker 1: PGA this year. You know, j T wasn't really in
Speaker 1: the mix at all, and all of a sudden, a
Speaker 1: few holes to go. I was like, oh, JT is
Speaker 1: gonna win. Like that was. It was one of those
Speaker 1: sort of deals. Um, crazy finish anyway, ancient history. We
Speaker 1: love that. Where where's your trophy at now, Jeff? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's on the shelf. It's actually funny. Um. I had
Speaker 1: it up in Scottsdale in Arcadia for a bit and
Speaker 1: then when we moved, it went into some boxes and
Speaker 1: I lost it for like two years. Um, when you're moving,
Speaker 1: you collect a whole lot of bunch of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't lose it. I knew I had it, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know where it was. It was in the
Speaker 1: boxes at the back of the storage and it somewhere. Um,
Speaker 1: it's funny. Someone asked me about it. Don't you really care?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, kind of. I mean I care
Speaker 1: that I want and it was a great experience and stuff.
Speaker 1: But if you if you took it away from me,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think any less of it. You know. I
Speaker 1: don't sit there every day and like look at trophies,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's funny. Winning, it's the good winning.
Speaker 1: It's a good part, not the piece of metal they
Speaker 1: give to you afterwards. You know, well, don't you have
Speaker 1: to buy it too? It's like eight or ten dollars
Speaker 1: to buy it or something. Yeah, it was like ten
Speaker 1: or eleven at that point. I think they're probably even
Speaker 1: more expensive now some guys but monopoly on making silver
Speaker 1: trophies for the major winners, which is just baffling to me.
Speaker 1: They give you a million or two dollars win a tournament,
Speaker 1: and they can't just throw your replica. It's yeah, just
Speaker 1: take just take the ten k off the top from
Speaker 1: you and just give you the trophy. I feel on her.
Speaker 1: You know what Sean McKell told me is the water Maker,
Speaker 1: of course, is so big, and the replica is even
Speaker 1: bigger and requires a lot of silver, and it was
Speaker 1: gonna be the price of silver was really high back
Speaker 1: then or something that's me, like fifty dollars, and so
Speaker 1: you never got that. You never got the replica made.
Speaker 1: And um and of course he's on some hard times
Speaker 1: as a player, and um as a few years ago
Speaker 1: he still hadn't gotten it done. He was thinking that
Speaker 1: that's now or never. I gotta I gotta get one made.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think people really really understand. It
Speaker 1: always interests me because as as a player, as you know,
Speaker 1: nothing is guaranteed. You have a history, you won in
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one, you have some endorsements and some
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, but uh, how much do you worry about
Speaker 1: the future and project out two years, three years, five
Speaker 1: years talking about kids and houses? Like how much stress
Speaker 1: is that on a guy like he was making a
Speaker 1: very nice living but you're not. You don't have the
Speaker 1: five year exception from a major and all these other things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, this is I think I'm starting my
Speaker 1: seventh year, which is kind of beyond my wildest streams really,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's something that is always at the forefront.
Speaker 1: So I had the two year exemption from the win
Speaker 1: and teeing it up next weekend, ap But like, I
Speaker 1: playing for my job again, I'm playing for my card. Um.
Speaker 1: It's something that's we talk about all the time with
Speaker 1: my wife. And I'm pretty confident in my game, and
Speaker 1: I think I can hang around for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing things to to better myself and and
Speaker 1: my game as well. Um, but the talent is so
Speaker 1: good and people are coming up left and right, and
Speaker 1: I'm not a bomber, and uh sometimes can struggle on
Speaker 1: the greens. So like it doesn't take a whole lot
Speaker 1: to like get in a funk and not come out
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, like Harry Higgs this year, like
Speaker 1: one of my good buddies, Like he struggled really almost
Speaker 1: all of all the calendar season. Um, so you see
Speaker 1: like how quickly that can happen. And I think I
Speaker 1: play out of fear a lot, like a fear of
Speaker 1: I have a fear of getting a real job. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. So I I sneaky practice
Speaker 1: more than people think I do. And I do a
Speaker 1: lot of things too, better myself as a golfer, and
Speaker 1: because I know, especially with these elevated purses and what
Speaker 1: we have playing for like if I have a good
Speaker 1: five year run here, I can probably be sept for life.
Speaker 1: And my wife and I are pretty conservad with money.
Speaker 1: We invest wisely. Uh, we're we'd like to invest in
Speaker 1: real estate. We think it's pretty Um, I think it's
Speaker 1: a good long term play. We don't fly private, we
Speaker 1: don't really spend a ton of money, so that is
Speaker 1: also we can retire, we can take care of our
Speaker 1: future kids. And but Yeah, I mean it is a
Speaker 1: very real thing. I've I've obviously had a solid run here,
Speaker 1: but a quick injury, a quick phone here there, like
Speaker 1: it happens fast. So I'm I'm aware of that, but
Speaker 1: I'm also confident in who I am. I guess. I mean,
Speaker 1: when when you see what happened to Will's La tourist,
Speaker 1: does that send a little shutter down your spine, because
Speaker 1: that that's gonna people of the most expensive back injuries
Speaker 1: in golf history. Right, he's number one of the FedEx
Speaker 1: couple list falls to thirty. Who knows what he gave
Speaker 1: up or how long that will last. I mean, how
Speaker 1: does that land emotionally for for a guy who's in
Speaker 1: the middle of his playing career. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: see a lot of the chatter on on social media
Speaker 1: stuff about you know, oh, he could have taken the
Speaker 1: money and he'd be fine, like you hope, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a back injury is always scary. Um, golfers
Speaker 1: get injured way more than than people think, and nagging
Speaker 1: stuff that that can you know, kind of hang around
Speaker 1: it and and linger and so it's yeah, like it
Speaker 1: does it does worry me? Um? Do we all have
Speaker 1: insurance Yeah, but it's nothing close to playing on tour,
Speaker 1: especially for Will, who is the world beater, is going
Speaker 1: to be one of the greats for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just hope that he can come back, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and and at least be the same, if not better.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, Joel, how many guys with your sort of
Speaker 1: profile can be real lifers just on the on the
Speaker 1: PGA tour and then even on the Senior tour. When
Speaker 1: you think about someone like a Paul Goydos or Jay
Speaker 1: Haas or Jim furik Um who don't look like Tiger
Speaker 1: and don't look like Rory and don't look like Will's alotoris.
Speaker 1: But just the way you described your life, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was such combination of realism and optimism that every
Speaker 1: golfer needs. And I take my hat off to you,
Speaker 1: but I also know that there's something about that kind
Speaker 1: of personality type and that kind of physique and that
Speaker 1: kind of approach to the game to life that can
Speaker 1: make it may not sound like that much, but Paul
Speaker 1: Goydos and Brad Faxton for that matter, a lot of
Speaker 1: other guys they lasted a long long time in this game,
Speaker 1: and it's hard, hard, hard, to do, and I mean
Speaker 1: Jeff would know that far far better than than any
Speaker 1: of us, but might might take my hat off here.
Speaker 1: The way you just describe the balance in your life
Speaker 1: and how and how you view your profession. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's it's something that I guess. I'm I'm lucky. I
Speaker 1: understand I'm lucky, and I'm very grateful to be on
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. And I know how things can disappear quickly. Uh,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I have a trainer at home, I
Speaker 1: have a pt on the road, like I do all
Speaker 1: of these things to take care of my body. I mean,
Speaker 1: John Daily famously said at one time, you can't pull
Speaker 1: fat um Like I don't have a beach body. I
Speaker 1: am not jacked, I'm not ripped. But it's something that
Speaker 1: I well, I've talked with my coach about and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you don't have any injury prone your golf swing like
Speaker 1: you're gonna be fine. And the way my body works
Speaker 1: and the way they chat with my trainer and like
Speaker 1: we make sure that all of that stuff is still strong.
Speaker 1: So injury is not a huge deal for me. Um.
Speaker 1: But a kid like I mean will swings it so
Speaker 1: fast and he's he's still limber and he's got all
Speaker 1: this stuff. But that's that's just part of the gig.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, ah, I wouldn't say I'm on a
Speaker 1: pitch count neither. But I don't have as many balls
Speaker 1: as a lot of you guys do either, And maybe
Speaker 1: you know, I could be slightly better if I do.
Speaker 1: But I've have a young golf body. I would say,
Speaker 1: compared it for my age, and you know, compared a
Speaker 1: lot of these other people. When you're young and you're
Speaker 1: just getting out that all you want to do is
Speaker 1: find every little one percenter here and there. And I
Speaker 1: think so often guys will go off track when they
Speaker 1: just look for those littlectra one percenters and go too hard.
Speaker 1: How how often do you see a guy change come
Speaker 1: back from the offseason with a change body, and he's
Speaker 1: now a vegan and he's like doing your gre every
Speaker 1: morning and stuff, and he has a great three months,
Speaker 1: and then two years later he doesn't have his card.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, it happens all the time. I just
Speaker 1: think you've got to sort of play golf sincerely, not seriously.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to be all in, but it's
Speaker 1: it's not your whole life. Just do what you do.
Speaker 1: And that's like every year I went through to a
Speaker 1: the times when I struggled, when I was reaching for
Speaker 1: more than me, you know. But if I just played
Speaker 1: golf and I just jeff um usually it was pretty good.
Speaker 1: If I could go back and change anything, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have taken it quite as seriously as I sincerely is
Speaker 1: the right way to be all in. But just play
Speaker 1: golf and leaned to have half a shot less a day,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's an extra million dollars at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: you just don't need to chase it so odd and
Speaker 1: you with two So we wife and I decided, I
Speaker 1: think three years ago, to do a dry January. We're
Speaker 1: gonna cut out alcohol, uh and cut out sugars. So
Speaker 1: it was fine. A couple of weeks, I get Sony
Speaker 1: Open and I'm playing okay, but Saturday hits and I uh,
Speaker 1: I have like a sugar breakdown because I'm used to
Speaker 1: having sugar and I UH and I literally like start
Speaker 1: like shaking, and I'm like what is going on? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, someone give me a coke in a Snicker's
Speaker 1: bar right now? Because I am losing it. So I
Speaker 1: played like two owls as a mess. Finally got it
Speaker 1: like and so that was that was kind of a
Speaker 1: wake up for me of like, hey, like you gotta
Speaker 1: it's one thing to be healthy to understand that, but
Speaker 1: it's like you have to kind of understand what makes
Speaker 1: you take as well. So that same one still didn't drink,
Speaker 1: didn't do anything was healthy, but just make sure I
Speaker 1: was eating more like the the golf course. And so we
Speaker 1: get the Pebble beach. I think I had missed every
Speaker 1: I made the cut and study, but missed the other cuts.
Speaker 1: And it was Friday night of Pebble I was playing poorly.
Speaker 1: I was frustrated. I was not happy. Called my coach
Speaker 1: with my wife and I'm like, hey, like this sucks.
Speaker 1: He's like, Joel, you need to go to the bar
Speaker 1: and you need to go get drunk tonight because you're
Speaker 1: gonna miss this cut anyways, but go have a night
Speaker 1: and you can, you know, prep for l a after that.
Speaker 1: And my wife is like, what, this is your golf
Speaker 1: coach telling you to do this? So uh, but Rob
Speaker 1: knows how he took. Rob played on the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: for a couple years he's played in US opens. Like
Speaker 1: this guy is awesome and he knows me very well,
Speaker 1: and so go out and have cocktails at night, make
Speaker 1: eight berries at Spyglass the next day, and then play
Speaker 1: well on Sunday at Pebble and I finished twelve. Go
Speaker 1: to rib I'm one back of the lead. On Sunday,
Speaker 1: finished fifth, and then two weeks later finished fifth at
Speaker 1: bay Hill, and I was like, okay, Like there's a
Speaker 1: balanced all of this, but I have to be who
Speaker 1: I am, and I'm if that means a couple of
Speaker 1: cocktails and eating sugar, then I'm gonna do that. I
Speaker 1: love that. But it also seems like you have a
Speaker 1: genuine love for for for golf, which some guys like
Speaker 1: to compete, some guys like the rewards, but you just
Speaker 1: seem to love the game. I think about a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, I was of it abandoned dunes, and
Speaker 1: there was you and Gito and a couple of buddies
Speaker 1: at Sheep Ranch and we cross paths. It's actually one
Speaker 1: of the biggest regrets in my golfing life. I was
Speaker 1: one under on the first four holes, playing great. I
Speaker 1: saw you guys on the fifty part three the Foozl
Speaker 1: the five iron about thirty yards, Like god, damn it,
Speaker 1: my head. I do love golf like I love playing
Speaker 1: with my friends. I love listening to music. I love
Speaker 1: playing fast like if I hit the lottery. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would played to her golf anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I enjoy the travel that much. Um,
Speaker 1: But I would play golf nearly every day. I would
Speaker 1: join a couple of different golf clubs around town, and
Speaker 1: I would play all the time. I love played for
Speaker 1: a little bit of money. I'm likes is great. A
Speaker 1: couple of beers, music and play fast like I love golf.
Speaker 1: I love going to bandon dunes. Um. I love all
Speaker 1: those things. But I love like hanging out with my
Speaker 1: friends and it affords me I can play with my
Speaker 1: dad still it's great. Um, I can play with the
Speaker 1: guy who's Tony handicapp and I can play with other
Speaker 1: pro golfers like it doesn't matter. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a great thing about golf, and it's competing on to
Speaker 1: her fun. Yeah, it's a blast. Like you know, when
Speaker 1: you're playing well, there's nothing really better than than than
Speaker 1: being in a hunt on Sunday and and you know,
Speaker 1: it affords me a great life, but the most fun
Speaker 1: I have sometimes just playing with my buddies at home. Chill.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about having your wipe out on
Speaker 1: the golf course? He says, something you like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: she wants to have her own identity as well. How
Speaker 1: do you how do you balance that kind of thing?
Speaker 1: It's a good question. We've she's worked your entire life.
Speaker 1: She's worked since she's fourteen years old. Um, she's just
Speaker 1: works hard. That's just uh. And so when I got
Speaker 1: on tour, as you know, as better she traveled with
Speaker 1: it kind of keeps me in line a little bit. Um,
Speaker 1: I my life is better with her around. We're best friends.
Speaker 1: She's an incredible woman and we've developed a lot of
Speaker 1: great friendships on the road as well. So that was something.
Speaker 1: But also like she's Joel Damon's wife. Now she's not
Speaker 1: Lana anymore, and so um we are. We're due to
Speaker 1: have a kid in in January, so that'll be fun.
Speaker 1: But something, you know, we kind of try to make
Speaker 1: sure that golf is in our life, um, and especially
Speaker 1: for her, So I do better when she's on the road. Um.
Speaker 1: And we have a great time with it. She's she's
Speaker 1: a huge foodie. So we make sure we you know,
Speaker 1: at all the fun restaurants around and do that stuff.
Speaker 1: But um, it is something that we've talked about. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: do we like what what can we get you at home?
Speaker 1: You know, kind of like what what is your passion?
Speaker 1: So it's something we were always kind of balancing and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. She doesn't want to be she's
Speaker 1: not a she's not a tour wife. You know, there's
Speaker 1: to her wives and then there's wives of golfers. Um,
Speaker 1: she's not a tour wife. I see Jeff's filing down
Speaker 1: there because he's thinking, you guys all know there's many
Speaker 1: of them out there. So, uh, we're lucky that we've
Speaker 1: we've got to meet some great couples that were really
Speaker 1: close with We spent a lot of time with sharehouses
Speaker 1: together and all that stuff, and very lucky to be
Speaker 1: able to do that. But and I'm lucky that my
Speaker 1: wife is not a to her wife. I mean when
Speaker 1: I met her, I was on the mini tours making
Speaker 1: negative money. She was working two jobs. She was working
Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen hours a day, five six days a week
Speaker 1: to pay our bills and put food on the table.
Speaker 1: But always supported me and and and pushed me. And
Speaker 1: she still kicks me in the butt quite a bit
Speaker 1: when I get a little lazy at times. And you
Speaker 1: know today we was clean out the closet day and
Speaker 1: that is a mess. So, uh, you know, she she
Speaker 1: runs a pretty She lets me have all the fun
Speaker 1: I want. But when it's time to buckle up, she
Speaker 1: she makes sure that I'm I'm in the right seat
Speaker 1: for sure. She had a food blog at one point.
Speaker 1: Is that still a thing. Yeah, it's more of an
Speaker 1: Instagram account travel eats and treats. It's really fun. She
Speaker 1: just kind of takes pictures of And it's not like
Speaker 1: we go to like we don't go to fancy places
Speaker 1: all the time. We don't go always go to the
Speaker 1: best steakhouse. It's like what are the local za So
Speaker 1: we have spots. Now obviously Sea Islands one of our favorites. Um,
Speaker 1: they have you know, great stuff there. New Orleans is fun,
Speaker 1: but we we try to go to like holes in
Speaker 1: the wall and you know some some some dived ear places.
Speaker 1: Dona's driving dogs. Yeah, it's it's a lot more of that.
Speaker 1: And she's an incredible cook. So she cooks a lot
Speaker 1: at home and spoiled there, and so we go out
Speaker 1: and eat some good food, and she tries to, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, prep that for when when when we're at home.
Speaker 1: As the best and worst thing about playing on tour,
Speaker 1: I think is the food. You get to go out
Speaker 1: too restaurants every night. Um, like it's the best thing
Speaker 1: to go out in a different food and like you said,
Speaker 1: New Orleans and New York and Sandy saida monica is
Speaker 1: always a great wake. Um, great food. But then after
Speaker 1: a while sometimes you go to some towns where it's
Speaker 1: red robin, buggy king rot and like, god, this, let's
Speaker 1: just go on. We started rent a lot of houses
Speaker 1: the last couple years so we can cook at home
Speaker 1: as well. We choose, you know, there's two or three
Speaker 1: spotsiblit at, and then make sure we need at home
Speaker 1: as well, because you know, you go stretches three or
Speaker 1: four weeks in hotel rooms and you're not getting a
Speaker 1: home cooked meal. And that makes me like, that's the
Speaker 1: part I struggle with a lot, so rent houses with
Speaker 1: other golfers and and trying to make sure we we
Speaker 1: have some good meals at home as well. I was
Speaker 1: talking to Pat Perez at the live event in Portland,
Speaker 1: and he was talking about all the ways they take
Speaker 1: care of the players. He's like, and all the food. Man.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I've been in the player of dining.
Speaker 1: They feed you guys so much out on tour. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but only breakfast at lunch, we get dinner out here.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh jeez, yeah, that's what you need that.
Speaker 1: He was serious, he was dead serious. I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I will say that the Travelers Been is
Speaker 1: one of the best events on tour and Thursday night, Uh,
Speaker 1: they do an awesome, huge dinner that all the families
Speaker 1: and the kids are out back playing with football all
Speaker 1: and all those things. But like people talk like that
Speaker 1: dinner on Thursday night is one of the fastest kind
Speaker 1: of it's awesome, all the food you could possibly want. Um,
Speaker 1: And people talk about that like that's a big thing
Speaker 1: for players on tours, And it's kind of funny how
Speaker 1: that works. Uh. It is nice come off the route
Speaker 1: when you finish late and you get to just walk
Speaker 1: into the clubhouse and you dinner real quick and then
Speaker 1: because you have a quick turnaround for the morning. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny how us golfers um can can
Speaker 1: need or want certain things that don't seem like that
Speaker 1: big of a deal, but they're kind of a big deal,
Speaker 1: kind of in the whole overall spectrum. Joel, what is
Speaker 1: your mindset when you're driving to the golf course and
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be playing with the guy and
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you, of course to name names, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna play with the guy that you really just
Speaker 1: don't like. How do you how do you wrap your
Speaker 1: mind around the idea that, well, I'm gonna be with
Speaker 1: described for five hours, especially on a Thursday and Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had one recently this summer that it wasn't great
Speaker 1: and we knew it was gonna suck, and but we're
Speaker 1: both playing while it was in a bigger event and
Speaker 1: kind of when the parents came out, like Gino that night,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, do you know come prep with stories?
Speaker 1: It's we know it's me and you only tomorrow and
Speaker 1: like give you know bed be ready for for extra
Speaker 1: story time and you're almost just gonna like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's more like me against him to have a tale
Speaker 1: or me you know whoever that competitor is. But that's
Speaker 1: where I'm super lucky that my best friend is also
Speaker 1: my caddy. Like sometimes those days are more fun, Like
Speaker 1: you continue, I don't know just the stories we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell each other. And you know, you have, like you said,
Speaker 1: four or five hours out there together of not chatting
Speaker 1: with the other human. Um, it's it's almost fun at
Speaker 1: times because it happens so rarely. Now I'm pretty friendly
Speaker 1: with most people, and but there's always a couple of
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just not going to be that
Speaker 1: much fun. So that's where I'm lucky that that the
Speaker 1: genos there for me. Don't don't say that other player's name.
Speaker 1: But if you if you whisper only me and do
Speaker 1: you guys probably the Yeah, some guys just get under
Speaker 1: your skin and rot something. That's just just the way
Speaker 1: they You know, you've had an incident somewhere, or ah
Speaker 1: didn't carry the water, hasn't dropped it too far off
Speaker 1: or something. Um, you know, you have incidents and stuff
Speaker 1: that happened. You just it's kind of fun watching God's Square.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes sometimes it's fun to make the guy
Speaker 1: who makes you uncomfortable uncomfortable. Um, I get a challenge
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I kind of started going that round
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I despise slow play, like slow play.
Speaker 1: I understand there's there's a slow play problem on tour,
Speaker 1: but mostly it's just the fields are too big, Like
Speaker 1: you just can't there's just too many people in the
Speaker 1: golf course, like there's gonna be the road, you know,
Speaker 1: traffic jams out there. But like slow played, And sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll I'll do the extra slow play for a couple
Speaker 1: of holes just to make sure we get behind, because
Speaker 1: it's not an issue for me, And so I like
Speaker 1: to watch those guys have to. When the rules fisher
Speaker 1: pulls up, I'm like, yes, let's go. I can finally
Speaker 1: be in my routine now. And you guys get a
Speaker 1: swarm a bit. This is good inside baseball. So how
Speaker 1: do you play extra slow? Oh, I'll go to the
Speaker 1: bathroom randomly and take a while, and I'll like grab
Speaker 1: of water after people hit and like mess around and there,
Speaker 1: and then I'll walk slower and I'll pretend like I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was away. That's a fun one because
Speaker 1: now I get to go through my routine, uh and
Speaker 1: be like, oh I didn't know, Like, oh, it's you
Speaker 1: me and so that's that was always just those things
Speaker 1: add up and uh sometimes you know, if you mark
Speaker 1: like a one ft put, that really pisces people off.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I'll get in that mode and just mark everything,
Speaker 1: um and to watch people. This is what slow players
Speaker 1: do naturally, Like you actually have to work at it
Speaker 1: and plan this out to go slower. This is what
Speaker 1: they do. That's how they're slow. It's unbelievable to be like,
Speaker 1: I think Gino is one of the quicker caddies, but
Speaker 1: he's I don't understand, like how like I just don't understand.
Speaker 1: Like you get a number, it takes like everyone says
Speaker 1: a range fighters gonna help you to play. There's no
Speaker 1: chance range fighters feed to play because you're either well,
Speaker 1: Gino can get a number ten seconds at most, and
Speaker 1: now we know it's between two clubs and you're probably
Speaker 1: only gonna hit one of them ent of the time anyway,
Speaker 1: so there's not a whole lot. Obviously it's a windy
Speaker 1: park three or something like I get there's times, but
Speaker 1: we call them time suckers, so they suck all of
Speaker 1: your time. And then all of a sudden, now you
Speaker 1: guys are on the clock where you guys are behind
Speaker 1: and now have a tough t shot coming up for
Speaker 1: a tough shot, and I need the extra thirty seconds
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, but they sucked all that time
Speaker 1: out earlier in the round, so now I don't have
Speaker 1: time when I've been playing twice as fast as him
Speaker 1: all day. That's the part that's frustrating at times. I
Speaker 1: always felt like slow play should be um an issue
Speaker 1: that the players hand out the penalties. There should be
Speaker 1: a tributal of current players, and it would there's there's
Speaker 1: gotta be away because you you guys know instinctively and
Speaker 1: you at the end of the round, you could point
Speaker 1: to seven different times that this person slowed you down.
Speaker 1: That rules officials never going to be there for all
Speaker 1: eighteen holes. Like it seems like there should be some
Speaker 1: frontier justice where the players could actually assess the penalties
Speaker 1: and that would that would have a monumental effect, right, Like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to work out some of the details,
Speaker 1: but I think that's amazing. I think that we should
Speaker 1: post like the slow players in the locker room. I
Speaker 1: think that there there could be something to that. I
Speaker 1: know that they say like the best, you know, we
Speaker 1: we we should police ourselves better. We should call out
Speaker 1: the slow players, but we're golfers. Were not confrontational, Like
Speaker 1: there's not a single human out there that know that
Speaker 1: it's confrontational. Like we're all in our own world. We
Speaker 1: kind of but no one's gonna step up and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're playing slow speed up. It's like you just kind
Speaker 1: of wait for the rules official to do it at
Speaker 1: the time. So I don't know, there's it's not only
Speaker 1: your best interest to get into it with a plague
Speaker 1: because then you're all stressed for the rest of the diet,
Speaker 1: that's exactly. And you know it's you're to take care
Speaker 1: of yourself and you know, play your best, and it's
Speaker 1: not good if your heart rate gets up because you
Speaker 1: call someone else out. That's just never a good end
Speaker 1: game for anything. So the solution is less players on
Speaker 1: the golf course. That's why you can play in three
Speaker 1: enough hours at Colonial on Saturday and Sunday because there's
Speaker 1: just less players and it doesn't take much time. So
Speaker 1: but um, when you have a hundred fifty six man field,
Speaker 1: it's just to be slow. We should pay the fastest players.
Speaker 1: They should be they should be like inside the pip
Speaker 1: they should be on the shot linked numbers. There should
Speaker 1: be the fastest players get bonus money down to the
Speaker 1: top ten, and then most improved from last year's numbers
Speaker 1: should get paid. Most of the good because some guys
Speaker 1: do improve and they work at it, and that is like, hey,
Speaker 1: thank you, Like you saw a problem and you fix it.
Speaker 1: I like that idea. That's a great, that's a good.
Speaker 1: Instead of punished slow play, let's reward fast play, you know,
Speaker 1: because so, I mean, these guys all go home. I
Speaker 1: mean jeal'sis he loves golf, and I'm you play with
Speaker 1: two players at home. They run around, they don't warm up,
Speaker 1: they all shoot sixty five taking two hours and five minutes.
Speaker 1: They just woke up and hit it and they all
Speaker 1: go loud, and they played better, every single one of them.
Speaker 1: As soon as it comes to Thursday. It's just two
Speaker 1: and a half minutes of shot to start on the club.
Speaker 1: Like you've been playing golf, your haul off, you're really
Speaker 1: good at it. D nineties and seven on and it's
Speaker 1: always been a seven on. I just did a seven on.
Speaker 1: What what what do you mean, like it's just crazy, you're exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, you played a whisper rock lot. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd show up, you grab a cocktail, you hit three
Speaker 1: balls and maybe two pots, and you're on the tea
Speaker 1: and you're rippling down the middle. And no one ever
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I didn't get a warm up today.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and then it's a two hour routine to
Speaker 1: get ready for the Thursday morning. And you're like, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. That's crazy. But when you said that,
Speaker 1: no one's confrontations because all the assholes went to the
Speaker 1: live tour. But like, those are my words, not Jewels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: most most, there's a couple of others we could send
Speaker 1: over there. Uh, this is something I'm just curious how
Speaker 1: how different your answers will be. Um, because you're Jeff
Speaker 1: and Jewel, you're the two guys on this podcast. You
Speaker 1: can really play golf, like when you're standing over a ball,
Speaker 1: and of course there's always a million variables in a tournament, situation, whatever,
Speaker 1: But what what sensation are you trying to create in
Speaker 1: your body? Like what is the feel you're looking for?
Speaker 1: I'm really I've always been curious about Wow, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to tell you it's a sacred I'm trying to
Speaker 1: black out I'm trying to not do I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm more of a field player anyways, but like I'm
Speaker 1: a like a one swing, thought and go type guy.
Speaker 1: And sometimes when I'm playing my best, if you ask
Speaker 1: a lot of players, what were you thinking about there?
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't. I was reacting to a target type thing,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a cliche answer, but um, I
Speaker 1: I don't know, You're It's the biggest qublem with golf. Raw,
Speaker 1: It's the biggest problem with golf is like you asked
Speaker 1: everyone else good players, but what were you doing when
Speaker 1: you do it? And then I describe it? But I
Speaker 1: went thinking of that when I was doing it. I
Speaker 1: was just doing it. You can't And how do you
Speaker 1: describe a feel in woods? Like words aren't appropriate to
Speaker 1: describe a feel. You can't describe what your golf swing
Speaker 1: feels like all Brad facts and can't describe what he's
Speaker 1: putting stroke feels like, I don't know, it just feels
Speaker 1: like I'm rolling the ball over there. You know, we're
Speaker 1: looking for what he's doing, but he's just putting. To him,
Speaker 1: it's just putting. Um And I mean there's books and
Speaker 1: websites and blogs and videos and sports scientists all trying
Speaker 1: to break down what we do in a golf swing.
Speaker 1: But really, the people who know how they do it,
Speaker 1: they just walk up and hit it, you know, and
Speaker 1: everyone cuts it up and piece us later on. It's
Speaker 1: just an impossible thing to do to describe what you feel.
Speaker 1: You know, we just play a lot and we just
Speaker 1: weren't like, how do you what do you feel when
Speaker 1: you throw a ball to someone? You know, you just
Speaker 1: throw a ball right, you aim at the glove and
Speaker 1: you just throw a ball. What are you feeling? What
Speaker 1: muscles sequence do you use when you throw a ball?
Speaker 1: And it's amazing how often your feel is not real.
Speaker 1: Now we have all the technology of all the track
Speaker 1: man's and all the other stuff, it's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm swinging right and it's still two left.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, so if I tell someone I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm swinging right, but it's not actually what's
Speaker 1: going on? Like that doesn't match up at all. And
Speaker 1: I mean famously like the ball flight laws right, like
Speaker 1: Nicholas and Palmer and all those guys had it absolutely backwards,
Speaker 1: Like they said they closed the club phase? Are they
Speaker 1: point the club face? Where they wanted to go and
Speaker 1: they swing you know out, you know for drawing and fade.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's absolutely opposite of how you do that.
Speaker 1: But I was even young, I was old enough for
Speaker 1: two I was taught to hit a fade by pointing
Speaker 1: your club at the target and then swinging left where
Speaker 1: really that's not how it works at all. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of amazing how feels aren't real, so and every
Speaker 1: you just kind of trust whatever your feel is that
Speaker 1: day or whatever it could be, and you just kind
Speaker 1: of roll with it. To the point you guys are
Speaker 1: making at the Open. This child you to play in
Speaker 1: the Open at Saint Andrews this year, I missed out.
Speaker 1: That's one of that's I think I might have another
Speaker 1: chance before I'm too old, but that was one of
Speaker 1: my that's gonna burn me not to play a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifties. That's andrewth Well, I hope you got another chance.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you will. But one of one of the
Speaker 1: an Alan knows this because we've talked about it, but
Speaker 1: one of the highlights for me was Trevino was there,
Speaker 1: of course as a former Open champion, and of course
Speaker 1: all the guys who are on the range. Ryan Harmon
Speaker 1: and John Rump way way way too young to even
Speaker 1: know the highlight reel of Lee Trevino. They just know
Speaker 1: that Lee Trevino is golf and and Brian Harmon particularly
Speaker 1: was really watching him closely. And afterwards I talked to me, said,
Speaker 1: what did you pick up on there? And he said,
Speaker 1: just like how much he feels golf and how mechanical
Speaker 1: I can get. And I don't consider Brian Harmon mechanical
Speaker 1: golfer at all, but uh, it was just interesting to
Speaker 1: hear him gravitate Trevino without necessarily even really understanding what
Speaker 1: yourvina is all about. But still you could tell, you know,
Speaker 1: for me, Savey was that way, Steve was that way
Speaker 1: before that. Uh, So it's interesting that how we're how
Speaker 1: we're drawn to these golfers, that Payne Stewart was that way,
Speaker 1: who have what what what Jeff is describing, just have it?
Speaker 1: You can't really and don't really don't even want to
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. Kind of change the subject
Speaker 1: for one second, because we won't have Joel and I
Speaker 1: won't have this opportunity all all that often Joel, I
Speaker 1: find Jay Monahan when I'm in his physical presence. You know,
Speaker 1: just the eyes alone are very impressive. He's intense. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got that New England bulldog quality about him. But
Speaker 1: you've seen him behind closed doors a lot lot more
Speaker 1: than than certainly Alan and I have. Um, how is
Speaker 1: he different behind closed doors than the than the Jay
Speaker 1: Monahan we see in press conferences? Uh? I think Jay's
Speaker 1: a rock star. Uh, he's he's quick with a joke.
Speaker 1: Behind closed doors, he's Uh, he's open. I would say
Speaker 1: he's he's he knows so much about each player, Like
Speaker 1: he asked about how my wife is doing, and um
Speaker 1: asked how my dog's doing, and um, uh, he he
Speaker 1: got to watch Uh so I'm on a Netflix show
Speaker 1: that's coming out next year and he got to watch
Speaker 1: kind of an I guess a rough cut of it,
Speaker 1: of of one of my episodes, I guess or uh.
Speaker 1: And he said such a nice note about that, like
Speaker 1: he's he's. I think he's just the best. Like he
Speaker 1: you could argue the business side and the politics. I
Speaker 1: don't really get into that much. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not smart enough to figure it all out. So I
Speaker 1: think he is and the people that do all that
Speaker 1: stuff for fine. I think where he's doing a good job.
Speaker 1: I'll let him talk. But Jay has always been super personal.
Speaker 1: I've got to get a couple of dinners with him, um,
Speaker 1: But he's he's easy with a smile and typically a
Speaker 1: pretty good joke, and he is very aware and locked
Speaker 1: into to what's going on with almost all the players.
Speaker 1: I've been impressed with that part. But Joe, you're on
Speaker 1: the player Advisory Council, right, Like, you gotta know this stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't totally punt on all the politics and the
Speaker 1: deal making that like, it's your purview, man, your your leadership.
Speaker 1: I am not The board is the leadership, and I
Speaker 1: am just the guy sits in the room. Jeffrey Ever
Speaker 1: on the pack, Yeah a little bit. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fun and you're not really part of it. You
Speaker 1: just had ideas to throw upstairs. Wrong. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Like it's I pressed pretty hard for three years to
Speaker 1: be on the pack because I thought I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: on tour. I want to know how the business works.
Speaker 1: This is my job, and I feel like I should
Speaker 1: just know what's going on. And maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever had this grandiose idea of what should
Speaker 1: be going on or maybe how to make it better.
Speaker 1: I just want to understand it better. And I kind
Speaker 1: of get in the room and it doesn't matter at
Speaker 1: all what I say or what I think, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of fun to be in the room
Speaker 1: and when when people start talking, and there's some guys
Speaker 1: that are extra fun to listen to at times, and uh,
Speaker 1: we gotta poke fun of them after the meetings over.
Speaker 1: Just okay, don't don't see their names, you're just screet,
Speaker 1: but just give us their initials. H Uh No, I
Speaker 1: don't have enough to heal in me yet. Day uh
Speaker 1: So I become friendly with the Chad Mom. He's the
Speaker 1: Fox Media executive who's overseeing the Netflix show, and he's
Speaker 1: been telling me all year like people are gonna lose
Speaker 1: their minds when they see this um And I guess
Speaker 1: I'm a little dubious because I know, I know, I've
Speaker 1: seen tour players a lot through the years and and
Speaker 1: their their habits. But what is what about this show
Speaker 1: is going to be eye opening to the fans at
Speaker 1: home and how in your situation in particular, how open
Speaker 1: have you been and then how comfortable have you gotten
Speaker 1: having the cameras invade your life. I would say that
Speaker 1: I've been very open, probably to a fault. I mean,
Speaker 1: my wife and I we hosted a huge party Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: We call it Taco Tuesday. We've done it for years
Speaker 1: here for the Phoenix Open, but this year it was
Speaker 1: kind of a blowout. I mean we had seventy plus
Speaker 1: people here and bartender and all the stuff going. So
Speaker 1: that was kind of the first step. But they've been
Speaker 1: to our house three times now, like they've sat down
Speaker 1: my wife separate multiple times. So we've we've been very
Speaker 1: open to it. But well, I don't know, we're pretty open.
Speaker 1: I mean we're we don't have anything to hide, and
Speaker 1: we're pretty normal people, I would say comparatively a lot
Speaker 1: of tour players. We live a pretty normal lifestyle outside
Speaker 1: of kidding a golf ball and traveling a lot. So
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna be surprised at one how
Speaker 1: boring most tour players are, uh, like, oh, what do
Speaker 1: they do at home? It's got to be so much fun,
Speaker 1: Like no, it's really not like you kind of wake up,
Speaker 1: go to the gym, go play some golf, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Like there is and there's not I think they wanted
Speaker 1: this drama, and I haven't watched a lot of that
Speaker 1: F one Drive to Survive stuff, but there's always like
Speaker 1: sounds like they're always kind of like fighting amongst teams
Speaker 1: and there's always some drama going on, and um, there's
Speaker 1: just really not that on the PGA tur I know
Speaker 1: this year is you know, special with the live and
Speaker 1: and the stuff going on back and forth. But I
Speaker 1: just think I think they're gonna love like hearing some
Speaker 1: some comments and like what they're always like, oh what
Speaker 1: are the players talking about on the golf course where
Speaker 1: you stay, what you eat and like like simple things.
Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna be I don't I don't
Speaker 1: have they've they've been very the Netflix. They were very
Speaker 1: very quiet about how this is all going to me.
Speaker 1: They haven't like, hey, they don't really show you snippets.
Speaker 1: They don't. They just say, yeah, you guys are doing great.
Speaker 1: I heard Kepta is unbelievable on it. Um. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he led him into some of his grandiose things,
Speaker 1: but I've heard he's gonna be great, and I've heard
Speaker 1: that there's others that are like duds. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how it's all gonna shave out. I think they're
Speaker 1: just be surprised with some behind the scenes stuff, which
Speaker 1: is like in the locker room, they'll just kind of
Speaker 1: be like, we're just typical people. Um, we're just dudes
Speaker 1: like who play golf, and we talked about the same
Speaker 1: stuff that everyone else talks about, and um so I
Speaker 1: my understanding is they're not out to get anyone. They're
Speaker 1: not out to you know, show a bad side of
Speaker 1: nationally anyone, So you're probably gonna get the best of
Speaker 1: all of it. Um. But I'm kind of just as
Speaker 1: curious and kind of excited to see how this all unfolds.
Speaker 1: What would be an example of Brooks kept a good
Speaker 1: going grandiose. I don't even know. I played with them
Speaker 1: one time and he was super nice to me, but
Speaker 1: I imagine that I have I've heard so we've all
Speaker 1: heard stories. So I heard he likes Vegas. I've heard, uh,
Speaker 1: he likes have a good time at home as well.
Speaker 1: So but I mean everyone likes to drink a beer
Speaker 1: and hang out. So I don't know exactly what that means,
Speaker 1: but I've heard that he let them into his life
Speaker 1: quite a bit at home, which I guess I'm just
Speaker 1: excited to see as anyone else, well I have heard,
Speaker 1: you know, because that they needed they needed one bad
Speaker 1: guy wouldn't live, bad guy who just took the money
Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't for any you know, noble reasons.
Speaker 1: Just completely sold his soul. So maybe it's Brooks, maybe
Speaker 1: it's somebody else. We'll see what that'll that all out
Speaker 1: a little spice to it. Perhaps it's all in the editing, right,
Speaker 1: but they there's so they have so much content. I
Speaker 1: can imagine like what is left on the the floor,
Speaker 1: like the editing floor, Like you know, they shoot someone
Speaker 1: but smarter than me knows, but I don't. They shoot
Speaker 1: hours and hours to get like a minute that's gonna
Speaker 1: be on the actual TV show. So I don't know
Speaker 1: how that's all gonna work out. But um, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to lay my head on the
Speaker 1: pill at night and be like I was who I was,
Speaker 1: And UM be curious what my wife said. She's she's
Speaker 1: pretty real at time. So I'm I try to cover
Speaker 1: up a couple of things every now and then. But
Speaker 1: also Gino has been miked up for multiple rounds, and
Speaker 1: so the stuff you can edit, you can edit it
Speaker 1: both ways, like super quickly on if you don't. If
Speaker 1: there's not a previous conversation, all of a sudden, he
Speaker 1: circles back something you just talked about, like that could
Speaker 1: be totally out of context, which is a really fun
Speaker 1: way to get out of things. I was taken out
Speaker 1: of context. But um I I'm hoping that they paint
Speaker 1: us in the best light that they can. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think people anyone who follows golf even casually
Speaker 1: at this point knows that you and Gino are are
Speaker 1: thickest thieves. And if there's any bickery or trash talking
Speaker 1: amongst you, it's you're gonna survive it. It's it's not
Speaker 1: really Oh yeah, there won't be anything between us. I
Speaker 1: think it'll be mostly him probably making fun of me
Speaker 1: for hitting bad golf shots, or me, um yeah, telling
Speaker 1: him he was wrong. That happens a lot. That's great. Well,
Speaker 1: you've been extremely generous with your time, Joel. Before before
Speaker 1: we let him go, do you guys have any any
Speaker 1: final thoughts or final questions? Very very enjoyable, Joel. I've
Speaker 1: I've no need to be, you know, a highly intelligent,
Speaker 1: insightful player and uh I've admired you from Afar and
Speaker 1: I'll say hi in person the next time I see you.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that was such a famous thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I brought it up. I had I
Speaker 1: known that, I wouldn't have. But I remember being very
Speaker 1: I'm sure Alan was like a barber. Everybody knows that thing.
Speaker 1: What do you that's not obscure? Uh uh, I'll just
Speaker 1: I'll just this one quick observation. You all talked about
Speaker 1: tribunals in different ways. I had a friend who died
Speaker 1: last year. He's a great guy named Michael M. Thomas,
Speaker 1: who was a longtime member at National Golf Links. And
Speaker 1: his thing was this, this follows from your discussion to
Speaker 1: slow play and who should get reward and who should
Speaker 1: get penalized. His thing was that every golf club should
Speaker 1: have a reverse admissions committee and someone is going to
Speaker 1: get thrown out of the club every year for merit
Speaker 1: or not. And I thought that was gonna keep people
Speaker 1: on their toes. And what you said, what you said
Speaker 1: Joel about fear, Uh, fear is some motivator in life,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's valuable, So keep being scared. It's good
Speaker 1: than yeah, alright on that note. We're gonna let you go, Joel,
Speaker 1: part of our our little podcast sneakiness. You hit the
Speaker 1: leave button and then we're gonna we're gonna Monday Morning quarterback.
Speaker 1: You're a period. We get to talk about you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but thank you for your time. Yeah, thank you guys.
Speaker 1: This is fun. I like this format. This is a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I think you guys have something here
Speaker 1: that's you know, there's a million podcasts out there, but
Speaker 1: this one's well, the three of you are are say,
Speaker 1: pretty pretty special, and you're getting this field. So it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun that you know, you have a
Speaker 1: surprise guest and you have no idea what's coming or
Speaker 1: or where where it's going to go. Good stuff. Thanks John,
Speaker 1: take care you have to press the lead button. Joel's
Speaker 1: the red. Uh. That was great. I mean, clearly one
Speaker 1: of the good guys. Right. I don't know anyone in
Speaker 1: golf it doesn't like Joel David Oh fantastic. I want
Speaker 1: to go and Smart thinks about golf. Um thinks about
Speaker 1: the two. Uh, it's not getting carried away with not
Speaker 1: getting carried away with his results or thing. He just
Speaker 1: loves playing golf on tour and he wants to keep Tona.
Speaker 1: That's just really this other guy who will play like
Speaker 1: you said that divid Thomas are the brad Facts and
Speaker 1: he looks like same as like he could be the
Speaker 1: guy who's that Jerry Kelly. You know, um caeps at
Speaker 1: all in balance, And I would from the little I
Speaker 1: know about his game, looks again, who could you get?
Speaker 1: You get him on if there was ever a US
Speaker 1: Open on a tree line golf course. Again that may
Speaker 1: never happen. He'd be a good guy. You know, he
Speaker 1: looks like he's out of the Jeff Ogilvy, Scott Simpson,
Speaker 1: Larry Nelson tradition of you know, keep the ball in
Speaker 1: front of you, play smart shots, go for it when
Speaker 1: you can, the middle of the greenham part five second shot.
Speaker 1: You know, two pup berties are great. Uh, seventy is great.
Speaker 1: And I could see this guy contending in the US Open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played great at Brooklyne. So I don't think that's
Speaker 1: as a bet as traditional as it gets. So I
Speaker 1: think that was a neat set up. Not to segue,
Speaker 1: but that was neat, wasn't it. Yeah? I know it's
Speaker 1: there's and you know this better than anybody. Jeff like
Speaker 1: guys get to tour and and a lot of them
Speaker 1: just sort of turned into a different person, right, But
Speaker 1: like I think part of what makes Joel appealing he's
Speaker 1: just the same guy he was seven years ago, when
Speaker 1: he was or ten years ago when he was struggling
Speaker 1: on the on the Canadian tour. And it's refreshing that
Speaker 1: even if somebody has success, these to exactly the same,
Speaker 1: because that that that seems in any wack of life,
Speaker 1: that seems a little rare. I'm look, I'm sure it
Speaker 1: happens everywhere, but on tour absolutely the measure of the
Speaker 1: guys when he plays really well for a period and
Speaker 1: when he plays really poorly for a period, like how
Speaker 1: they are. You know, some guys personalities and uh perspectives
Speaker 1: on things change depending on where they are on the
Speaker 1: money list. And he seems to be a guy who's
Speaker 1: going with the home every day, which is what you're
Speaker 1: really looking for, you know, in a in the locker room,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna gravitate towards those guys who are
Speaker 1: consistent are really good guys. They're not getting carried away
Speaker 1: with what they are. They know that in two months
Speaker 1: time they might missing every cut you know, man, it's
Speaker 1: such a etherial fleeting thing, uh form when you play golf. Um,
Speaker 1: and he seems to have that own perspective. So yeah,
Speaker 1: good value. I hope the stays out there as long
Speaker 1: as you can. Yeah, you're here, Jeff. Have you ever
Speaker 1: played with Bill Murray or been around Bill Murray? I've
Speaker 1: been around Bill, Thank goodness. I haven't played with him
Speaker 1: at least in the tournament because I think that's a
Speaker 1: fair distraction. I mean, d I did unbelievable job playing
Speaker 1: with him for so long because I think it's a circus.
Speaker 1: But a few, yeah, a few of the events at
Speaker 1: the tournament over the years. He's um. He's an interesting character.
Speaker 1: The reason I bring the reason I bring him up
Speaker 1: with one of his things is you're going along in
Speaker 1: your career and then you hit it big very quickly,
Speaker 1: and Bill Murray says you're gonna be a dick for
Speaker 1: a year. That goes without saying the question is what
Speaker 1: happens at on the one year anniversary? That's awesome? All right. Well,
Speaker 1: on that note, we're gonna end another unit a fourth
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, of course, Jeff Ogilvie, Michael Bamberger
Speaker 1: I'm Alan schip Nick. It's this is a fun little
Speaker 1: thing we have going here, and we appreciate your support.
Speaker 1: So we will be back in your ear with another
Speaker 1: episode soon. But that's all we got. Wishing Joel Damon
Speaker 1: happy trails. We appreciate his time and we'll try and
Speaker 1: we'll try on top. It's gonna be hard to get
Speaker 1: a more thoughtful guest, but that's our goal ever, try
Speaker 1: and get every episode better than one before it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's possible, but we'll do our best.
Speaker 1: So thanks for listening. That's all