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Speaker 1: their Welcome back to Anita fourth. This is Alan Schipnak.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast where myself, Michael Bamberger, and US

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Speaker 1: He's from the great state of Washington, not Fred Couples. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He contended at this year's US Open until the bitter end. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: were down there and first thing, my wife says, like,

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Speaker 1: we gotta live here someday, and I'm like, honey, we're

425
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: doing pretty good. But this is like another level of

426
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 1: to to get what you can get in Scottsdale, to

427
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,120
Speaker 1: get what you can Arcadie is is definitely another level.

428
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 1: Where as a kid where you want to watch golf

429
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 1: on TV, Yeah, I watched quite a bit something My

430
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: dad and I did a ton, especially Saturday and Sunday,

431
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: and we would go always play golf afterwards, live right

432
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 1: by a golf course and it was easy for us

433
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: to go down and cruise round for an evening nine.

434
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 1: So um, I remember, did Jeff, do you chip in

435
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: on like sixteen or seventeen or yeah, and for par

436
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: for par and you had a awesome drive on eighteen

437
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 1: and a good wedge shot or like a short iron

438
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 1: in there. I remember that, but you weren't really talked

439
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: about all day. You were kind of just kind of

440
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: you know Monty, I know, Mr and Iron shot in there,

441
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 1: and then obviously fills debacle. Uh, but I feel like

442
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: no one was talking about Jeff. He wasn't really on

443
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 1: TV as much, and an all of a sudden they

444
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: showed him like the last like three holes and then

445
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: he won. So I don't know, it was a bit

446
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: of the pill and Monty show. It was a bit

447
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: of the fulk filling Monty Show really, which is kind

448
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 1: of nice for you. I guess you can kind of

449
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: not that you were sure, you're still feeling it, but

450
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: he probably felt like you were hiding a little bit. Yeah,

451
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like that when we were there. I mean, um,

452
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: Phil was not. I mean that was the peak of

453
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: Phil in New York on I mean Tiger's father just

454
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: that was his first miscut to the major I think

455
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: wingfoot um, and so it was all that weekend was

456
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 1: Phil's chance, right, and they just New York, they were

457
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 1: they had already put him up on the throne um.

458
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was good for me. He turned out

459
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: good for me. It was a little bit like the

460
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: PGA this year. You know, j T wasn't really in

461
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Speaker 1: the mix at all, and all of a sudden, a

462
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: few holes to go. I was like, oh, JT is

463
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: gonna win. Like that was. It was one of those

464
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: sort of deals. Um, crazy finish anyway, ancient history. We

465
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 1: love that. Where where's your trophy at now, Jeff? Uh,

466
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: it's on the shelf. It's actually funny. Um. I had

467
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: it up in Scottsdale in Arcadia for a bit and

468
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: then when we moved, it went into some boxes and

469
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: I lost it for like two years. Um, when you're moving,

470
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: you collect a whole lot of bunch of stuff. I mean,

471
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 1: I didn't lose it. I knew I had it, but

472
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know where it was. It was in the

473
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: boxes at the back of the storage and it somewhere. Um,

474
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 1: it's funny. Someone asked me about it. Don't you really care?

475
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, kind of. I mean I care

476
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Speaker 1: that I want and it was a great experience and stuff.

477
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: But if you if you took it away from me,

478
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think any less of it. You know. I

479
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: don't sit there every day and like look at trophies,

480
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's funny. Winning, it's the good winning.

481
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 1: It's a good part, not the piece of metal they

482
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: give to you afterwards. You know, well, don't you have

483
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: to buy it too? It's like eight or ten dollars

484
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: to buy it or something. Yeah, it was like ten

485
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: or eleven at that point. I think they're probably even

486
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: more expensive now some guys but monopoly on making silver

487
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: trophies for the major winners, which is just baffling to me.

488
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: They give you a million or two dollars win a tournament,

489
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: and they can't just throw your replica. It's yeah, just

490
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: take just take the ten k off the top from

491
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: you and just give you the trophy. I feel on her.

492
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: You know what Sean McKell told me is the water Maker,

493
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: of course, is so big, and the replica is even

494
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: bigger and requires a lot of silver, and it was

495
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: gonna be the price of silver was really high back

496
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: then or something that's me, like fifty dollars, and so

497
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: you never got that. You never got the replica made.

498
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: And um and of course he's on some hard times

499
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: as a player, and um as a few years ago

500
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: he still hadn't gotten it done. He was thinking that

501
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: that's now or never. I gotta I gotta get one made.

502
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think people really really understand. It

503
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: always interests me because as as a player, as you know,

504
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: nothing is guaranteed. You have a history, you won in

505
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one, you have some endorsements and some

506
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, but uh, how much do you worry about

507
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: the future and project out two years, three years, five

508
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: years talking about kids and houses? Like how much stress

509
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: is that on a guy like he was making a

510
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 1: very nice living but you're not. You don't have the

511
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: five year exception from a major and all these other things. Yeah,

512
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: like I said, this is I think I'm starting my

513
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: seventh year, which is kind of beyond my wildest streams really,

514
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's something that is always at the forefront.

515
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: So I had the two year exemption from the win

516
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: and teeing it up next weekend, ap But like, I

517
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: playing for my job again, I'm playing for my card. Um.

518
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: It's something that's we talk about all the time with

519
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: my wife. And I'm pretty confident in my game, and

520
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: I think I can hang around for a long time,

521
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: and I'm doing things to to better myself and and

522
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: my game as well. Um, but the talent is so

523
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: good and people are coming up left and right, and

524
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: I'm not a bomber, and uh sometimes can struggle on

525
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: the greens. So like it doesn't take a whole lot

526
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: to like get in a funk and not come out

527
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, like Harry Higgs this year, like

528
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: one of my good buddies, Like he struggled really almost

529
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: all of all the calendar season. Um, so you see

530
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: like how quickly that can happen. And I think I

531
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: play out of fear a lot, like a fear of

532
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: I have a fear of getting a real job. I

533
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. So I I sneaky practice

534
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: more than people think I do. And I do a

535
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: lot of things too, better myself as a golfer, and

536
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: because I know, especially with these elevated purses and what

537
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: we have playing for like if I have a good

538
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: five year run here, I can probably be sept for life.

539
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: And my wife and I are pretty conservad with money.

540
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: We invest wisely. Uh, we're we'd like to invest in

541
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: real estate. We think it's pretty Um, I think it's

542
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: a good long term play. We don't fly private, we

543
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: don't really spend a ton of money, so that is

544
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: also we can retire, we can take care of our

545
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: future kids. And but Yeah, I mean it is a

546
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: very real thing. I've I've obviously had a solid run here,

547
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: but a quick injury, a quick phone here there, like

548
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: it happens fast. So I'm I'm aware of that, but

549
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm also confident in who I am. I guess. I mean,

550
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: when when you see what happened to Will's La tourist,

551
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: does that send a little shutter down your spine, because

552
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: that that's gonna people of the most expensive back injuries

553
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: in golf history. Right, he's number one of the FedEx

554
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: couple list falls to thirty. Who knows what he gave

555
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: up or how long that will last. I mean, how

556
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: does that land emotionally for for a guy who's in

557
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: the middle of his playing career. Yeah, I mean you

558
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: see a lot of the chatter on on social media

559
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: stuff about you know, oh, he could have taken the

560
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: money and he'd be fine, like you hope, like, uh,

561
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, a back injury is always scary. Um, golfers

562
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: get injured way more than than people think, and nagging

563
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: stuff that that can you know, kind of hang around

564
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: it and and linger and so it's yeah, like it

565
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: does it does worry me? Um? Do we all have

566
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: insurance Yeah, but it's nothing close to playing on tour,

567
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: especially for Will, who is the world beater, is going

568
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: to be one of the greats for a long time. Yeah,

569
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: you just hope that he can come back, uh, you know,

570
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: and and at least be the same, if not better.

571
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: It's amazing, Joel, how many guys with your sort of

572
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: profile can be real lifers just on the on the

573
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: PGA tour and then even on the Senior tour. When

574
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: you think about someone like a Paul Goydos or Jay

575
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: Haas or Jim furik Um who don't look like Tiger

576
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: and don't look like Rory and don't look like Will's alotoris.

577
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: But just the way you described your life, I mean,

578
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: it was such combination of realism and optimism that every

579
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: golfer needs. And I take my hat off to you,

580
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: but I also know that there's something about that kind

581
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: of personality type and that kind of physique and that

582
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: kind of approach to the game to life that can

583
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: make it may not sound like that much, but Paul

584
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: Goydos and Brad Faxton for that matter, a lot of

585
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: other guys they lasted a long long time in this game,

586
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: and it's hard, hard, hard, to do, and I mean

587
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: Jeff would know that far far better than than any

588
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: of us, but might might take my hat off here.

589
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: The way you just describe the balance in your life

590
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: and how and how you view your profession. Yeah, thank you.

591
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: It's it's something that I guess. I'm I'm lucky. I

592
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: understand I'm lucky, and I'm very grateful to be on

593
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. And I know how things can disappear quickly. Uh,

594
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I have a trainer at home, I

595
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: have a pt on the road, like I do all

596
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: of these things to take care of my body. I mean,

597
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: John Daily famously said at one time, you can't pull

598
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: fat um Like I don't have a beach body. I

599
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: am not jacked, I'm not ripped. But it's something that

600
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: I well, I've talked with my coach about and it's like, hey,

601
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: you don't have any injury prone your golf swing like

602
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be fine. And the way my body works

603
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: and the way they chat with my trainer and like

604
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: we make sure that all of that stuff is still strong.

605
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: So injury is not a huge deal for me. Um.

606
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: But a kid like I mean will swings it so

607
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: fast and he's he's still limber and he's got all

608
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: this stuff. But that's that's just part of the gig.

609
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: Like I mean, ah, I wouldn't say I'm on a

610
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: pitch count neither. But I don't have as many balls

611
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: as a lot of you guys do either, And maybe

612
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, I could be slightly better if I do.

613
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: But I've have a young golf body. I would say,

614
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: compared it for my age, and you know, compared a

615
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: lot of these other people. When you're young and you're

616
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: just getting out that all you want to do is

617
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: find every little one percenter here and there. And I

618
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: think so often guys will go off track when they

619
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: just look for those littlectra one percenters and go too hard.

620
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: How how often do you see a guy change come

621
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: back from the offseason with a change body, and he's

622
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: now a vegan and he's like doing your gre every

623
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: morning and stuff, and he has a great three months,

624
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: and then two years later he doesn't have his card.

625
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: You know, Um, it happens all the time. I just

626
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: think you've got to sort of play golf sincerely, not seriously.

627
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to be all in, but it's

628
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: it's not your whole life. Just do what you do.

629
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: And that's like every year I went through to a

630
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: the times when I struggled, when I was reaching for

631
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: more than me, you know. But if I just played

632
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: golf and I just jeff um usually it was pretty good.

633
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: If I could go back and change anything, I wouldn't

634
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: have taken it quite as seriously as I sincerely is

635
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: the right way to be all in. But just play

636
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: golf and leaned to have half a shot less a day,

637
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, And that's an extra million dollars at the

638
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: end of the year, you know what I mean, Like,

639
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: you just don't need to chase it so odd and

640
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: you with two So we wife and I decided, I

641
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: think three years ago, to do a dry January. We're

642
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: gonna cut out alcohol, uh and cut out sugars. So

643
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: it was fine. A couple of weeks, I get Sony

644
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: Open and I'm playing okay, but Saturday hits and I uh,

645
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: I have like a sugar breakdown because I'm used to

646
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: having sugar and I UH and I literally like start

647
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: like shaking, and I'm like what is going on? And

648
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, someone give me a coke in a Snicker's

649
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: bar right now? Because I am losing it. So I

650
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: played like two owls as a mess. Finally got it

651
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: like and so that was that was kind of a

652
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: wake up for me of like, hey, like you gotta

653
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: it's one thing to be healthy to understand that, but

654
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: it's like you have to kind of understand what makes

655
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: you take as well. So that same one still didn't drink,

656
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: didn't do anything was healthy, but just make sure I

657
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: was eating more like the the golf course. And so we

658
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: get the Pebble beach. I think I had missed every

659
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: I made the cut and study, but missed the other cuts.

660
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: And it was Friday night of Pebble I was playing poorly.

661
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: I was frustrated. I was not happy. Called my coach

662
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: with my wife and I'm like, hey, like this sucks.

663
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: He's like, Joel, you need to go to the bar

664
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: and you need to go get drunk tonight because you're

665
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna miss this cut anyways, but go have a night

666
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: and you can, you know, prep for l a after that.

667
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: And my wife is like, what, this is your golf

668
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: coach telling you to do this? So uh, but Rob

669
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: knows how he took. Rob played on the PGA Tour

670
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: for a couple years he's played in US opens. Like

671
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: this guy is awesome and he knows me very well,

672
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: and so go out and have cocktails at night, make

673
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: eight berries at Spyglass the next day, and then play

674
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: well on Sunday at Pebble and I finished twelve. Go

675
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: to rib I'm one back of the lead. On Sunday,

676
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: finished fifth, and then two weeks later finished fifth at

677
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: bay Hill, and I was like, okay, Like there's a

678
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: balanced all of this, but I have to be who

679
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: I am, and I'm if that means a couple of

680
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: cocktails and eating sugar, then I'm gonna do that. I

681
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: love that. But it also seems like you have a

682
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: genuine love for for for golf, which some guys like

683
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: to compete, some guys like the rewards, but you just

684
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: seem to love the game. I think about a couple

685
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: of years ago, I was of it abandoned dunes, and

686
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: there was you and Gito and a couple of buddies

687
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: at Sheep Ranch and we cross paths. It's actually one

688
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: of the biggest regrets in my golfing life. I was

689
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: one under on the first four holes, playing great. I

690
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: saw you guys on the fifty part three the Foozl

691
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: the five iron about thirty yards, Like god, damn it,

692
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: my head. I do love golf like I love playing

693
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: with my friends. I love listening to music. I love

694
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: playing fast like if I hit the lottery. I don't

695
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: know if I would played to her golf anymore. I

696
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: don't know if I enjoy the travel that much. Um,

697
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: But I would play golf nearly every day. I would

698
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: join a couple of different golf clubs around town, and

699
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: I would play all the time. I love played for

700
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of money. I'm likes is great. A

701
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: couple of beers, music and play fast like I love golf.

702
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: I love going to bandon dunes. Um. I love all

703
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: those things. But I love like hanging out with my

704
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: friends and it affords me I can play with my

705
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: dad still it's great. Um, I can play with the

706
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: guy who's Tony handicapp and I can play with other

707
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: pro golfers like it doesn't matter. And I think that's

708
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: a great thing about golf, and it's competing on to

709
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: her fun. Yeah, it's a blast. Like you know, when

710
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: you're playing well, there's nothing really better than than than

711
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: being in a hunt on Sunday and and you know,

712
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: it affords me a great life, but the most fun

713
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: I have sometimes just playing with my buddies at home. Chill.

714
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: How do you feel about having your wipe out on

715
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: the golf course? He says, something you like, I'm sure

716
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: she wants to have her own identity as well. How

717
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: do you how do you balance that kind of thing?

718
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: It's a good question. We've she's worked your entire life.

719
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: She's worked since she's fourteen years old. Um, she's just

720
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: works hard. That's just uh. And so when I got

721
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: on tour, as you know, as better she traveled with

722
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: it kind of keeps me in line a little bit. Um,

723
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I my life is better with her around. We're best friends.

724
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: She's an incredible woman and we've developed a lot of

725
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: great friendships on the road as well. So that was something.

726
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: But also like she's Joel Damon's wife. Now she's not

727
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: Lana anymore, and so um we are. We're due to

728
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: have a kid in in January, so that'll be fun.

729
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: But something, you know, we kind of try to make

730
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: sure that golf is in our life, um, and especially

731
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: for her, So I do better when she's on the road. Um.

732
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: And we have a great time with it. She's she's

733
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: a huge foodie. So we make sure we you know,

734
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: at all the fun restaurants around and do that stuff.

735
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: But um, it is something that we've talked about. It's like, hey,

736
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: do we like what what can we get you at home?

737
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, kind of like what what is your passion?

738
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: So it's something we were always kind of balancing and

739
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. She doesn't want to be she's

740
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: not a she's not a tour wife. You know, there's

741
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: to her wives and then there's wives of golfers. Um,

742
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: she's not a tour wife. I see Jeff's filing down

743
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: there because he's thinking, you guys all know there's many

744
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: of them out there. So, uh, we're lucky that we've

745
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: we've got to meet some great couples that were really

746
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: close with We spent a lot of time with sharehouses

747
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: together and all that stuff, and very lucky to be

748
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: able to do that. But and I'm lucky that my

749
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: wife is not a to her wife. I mean when

750
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: I met her, I was on the mini tours making

751
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: negative money. She was working two jobs. She was working

752
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen hours a day, five six days a week

753
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: to pay our bills and put food on the table.

754
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: But always supported me and and and pushed me. And

755
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: she still kicks me in the butt quite a bit

756
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: when I get a little lazy at times. And you

757
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: know today we was clean out the closet day and

758
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: that is a mess. So, uh, you know, she she

759
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: runs a pretty She lets me have all the fun

760
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: I want. But when it's time to buckle up, she

761
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: she makes sure that I'm I'm in the right seat

762
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: for sure. She had a food blog at one point.

763
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: Is that still a thing. Yeah, it's more of an

764
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Instagram account travel eats and treats. It's really fun. She

765
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: just kind of takes pictures of And it's not like

766
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: we go to like we don't go to fancy places

767
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: all the time. We don't go always go to the

768
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: best steakhouse. It's like what are the local za So

769
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: we have spots. Now obviously Sea Islands one of our favorites. Um,

770
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: they have you know, great stuff there. New Orleans is fun,

771
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: but we we try to go to like holes in

772
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: the wall and you know some some some dived ear places.

773
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: Dona's driving dogs. Yeah, it's it's a lot more of that.

774
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: And she's an incredible cook. So she cooks a lot

775
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: at home and spoiled there, and so we go out

776
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: and eat some good food, and she tries to, uh,

777
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, prep that for when when when we're at home.

778
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: As the best and worst thing about playing on tour,

779
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: I think is the food. You get to go out

780
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: too restaurants every night. Um, like it's the best thing

781
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: to go out in a different food and like you said,

782
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: New Orleans and New York and Sandy saida monica is

783
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: always a great wake. Um, great food. But then after

784
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: a while sometimes you go to some towns where it's

785
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: red robin, buggy king rot and like, god, this, let's

786
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: just go on. We started rent a lot of houses

787
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: the last couple years so we can cook at home

788
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: as well. We choose, you know, there's two or three

789
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: spotsiblit at, and then make sure we need at home

790
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: as well, because you know, you go stretches three or

791
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: four weeks in hotel rooms and you're not getting a

792
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: home cooked meal. And that makes me like, that's the

793
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: part I struggle with a lot, so rent houses with

794
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: other golfers and and trying to make sure we we

795
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: have some good meals at home as well. I was

796
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: talking to Pat Perez at the live event in Portland,

797
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: and he was talking about all the ways they take

798
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: care of the players. He's like, and all the food. Man.

799
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: I said, well, I've been in the player of dining.

800
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: They feed you guys so much out on tour. He's like, yeah,

801
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: but but only breakfast at lunch, we get dinner out here.

802
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: I was like, oh jeez, yeah, that's what you need that.

803
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: He was serious, he was dead serious. I was like, wow, okay,

804
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean I will say that the Travelers Been is

805
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: one of the best events on tour and Thursday night, Uh,

806
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: they do an awesome, huge dinner that all the families

807
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: and the kids are out back playing with football all

808
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: and all those things. But like people talk like that

809
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: dinner on Thursday night is one of the fastest kind

810
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: of it's awesome, all the food you could possibly want. Um,

811
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: And people talk about that like that's a big thing

812
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: for players on tours, And it's kind of funny how

813
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: that works. Uh. It is nice come off the route

814
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: when you finish late and you get to just walk

815
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: into the clubhouse and you dinner real quick and then

816
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: because you have a quick turnaround for the morning. So

817
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny how us golfers um can can

818
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: need or want certain things that don't seem like that

819
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 1: big of a deal, but they're kind of a big deal,

820
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of in the whole overall spectrum. Joel, what is

821
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: your mindset when you're driving to the golf course and

822
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be playing with the guy and

823
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you, of course to name names, but

824
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna play with the guy that you really just

825
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: don't like. How do you how do you wrap your

826
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: mind around the idea that, well, I'm gonna be with

827
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: described for five hours, especially on a Thursday and Friday. Yeah,

828
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: we had one recently this summer that it wasn't great

829
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: and we knew it was gonna suck, and but we're

830
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: both playing while it was in a bigger event and

831
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: kind of when the parents came out, like Gino that night,

832
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, do you know come prep with stories?

833
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: It's we know it's me and you only tomorrow and

834
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: like give you know bed be ready for for extra

835
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: story time and you're almost just gonna like, I don't know,

836
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: it's more like me against him to have a tale

837
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: or me you know whoever that competitor is. But that's

838
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: where I'm super lucky that my best friend is also

839
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: my caddy. Like sometimes those days are more fun, Like

840
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: you continue, I don't know just the stories we're gonna

841
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: tell each other. And you know, you have, like you said,

842
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: four or five hours out there together of not chatting

843
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: with the other human. Um, it's it's almost fun at

844
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: times because it happens so rarely. Now I'm pretty friendly

845
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: with most people, and but there's always a couple of

846
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just not going to be that

847
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: much fun. So that's where I'm lucky that that the

848
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: genos there for me. Don't don't say that other player's name.

849
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: But if you if you whisper only me and do

850
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: you guys probably the Yeah, some guys just get under

851
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: your skin and rot something. That's just just the way

852
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: they You know, you've had an incident somewhere, or ah

853
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: didn't carry the water, hasn't dropped it too far off

854
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: or something. Um, you know, you have incidents and stuff

855
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: that happened. You just it's kind of fun watching God's Square.

856
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: I think sometimes sometimes it's fun to make the guy

857
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: who makes you uncomfortable uncomfortable. Um, I get a challenge

858
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I kind of started going that round

859
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I despise slow play, like slow play.

860
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: I understand there's there's a slow play problem on tour,

861
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: but mostly it's just the fields are too big, Like

862
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: you just can't there's just too many people in the

863
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: golf course, like there's gonna be the road, you know,

864
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: traffic jams out there. But like slow played, And sometimes

865
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: I'll I'll do the extra slow play for a couple

866
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: of holes just to make sure we get behind, because

867
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: it's not an issue for me, And so I like

868
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: to watch those guys have to. When the rules fisher

869
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: pulls up, I'm like, yes, let's go. I can finally

870
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: be in my routine now. And you guys get a

871
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: swarm a bit. This is good inside baseball. So how

872
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: do you play extra slow? Oh, I'll go to the

873
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: bathroom randomly and take a while, and I'll like grab

874
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: of water after people hit and like mess around and there,

875
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: and then I'll walk slower and I'll pretend like I

876
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: didn't know I was away. That's a fun one because

877
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: now I get to go through my routine, uh and

878
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: be like, oh I didn't know, Like, oh, it's you

879
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: me and so that's that was always just those things

880
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: add up and uh sometimes you know, if you mark

881
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: like a one ft put, that really pisces people off.

882
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: So sometimes I'll get in that mode and just mark everything,

883
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: um and to watch people. This is what slow players

884
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: do naturally, Like you actually have to work at it

885
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: and plan this out to go slower. This is what

886
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: they do. That's how they're slow. It's unbelievable to be like,

887
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: I think Gino is one of the quicker caddies, but

888
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: he's I don't understand, like how like I just don't understand.

889
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: Like you get a number, it takes like everyone says

890
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: a range fighters gonna help you to play. There's no

891
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: chance range fighters feed to play because you're either well,

892
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Gino can get a number ten seconds at most, and

893
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: now we know it's between two clubs and you're probably

894
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: only gonna hit one of them ent of the time anyway,

895
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: so there's not a whole lot. Obviously it's a windy

896
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: park three or something like I get there's times, but

897
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: we call them time suckers, so they suck all of

898
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: your time. And then all of a sudden, now you

899
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: guys are on the clock where you guys are behind

900
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: and now have a tough t shot coming up for

901
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: a tough shot, and I need the extra thirty seconds

902
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, but they sucked all that time

903
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: out earlier in the round, so now I don't have

904
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: time when I've been playing twice as fast as him

905
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: all day. That's the part that's frustrating at times. I

906
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: always felt like slow play should be um an issue

907
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: that the players hand out the penalties. There should be

908
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: a tributal of current players, and it would there's there's

909
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: gotta be away because you you guys know instinctively and

910
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: you at the end of the round, you could point

911
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: to seven different times that this person slowed you down.

912
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: That rules officials never going to be there for all

913
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: eighteen holes. Like it seems like there should be some

914
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: frontier justice where the players could actually assess the penalties

915
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: and that would that would have a monumental effect, right, Like, uh,

916
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, we have to work out some of the details,

917
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: but I think that's amazing. I think that we should

918
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: post like the slow players in the locker room. I

919
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: think that there there could be something to that. I

920
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: know that they say like the best, you know, we

921
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: we we should police ourselves better. We should call out

922
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: the slow players, but we're golfers. Were not confrontational, Like

923
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: there's not a single human out there that know that

924
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: it's confrontational. Like we're all in our own world. We

925
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: kind of but no one's gonna step up and be like, hey,

926
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: you're playing slow speed up. It's like you just kind

927
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: of wait for the rules official to do it at

928
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: the time. So I don't know, there's it's not only

929
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: your best interest to get into it with a plague

930
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: because then you're all stressed for the rest of the diet,

931
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: that's exactly. And you know it's you're to take care

932
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: of yourself and you know, play your best, and it's

933
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: not good if your heart rate gets up because you

934
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: call someone else out. That's just never a good end

935
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: game for anything. So the solution is less players on

936
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: the golf course. That's why you can play in three

937
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: enough hours at Colonial on Saturday and Sunday because there's

938
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: just less players and it doesn't take much time. So

939
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: but um, when you have a hundred fifty six man field,

940
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: it's just to be slow. We should pay the fastest players.

941
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: They should be they should be like inside the pip

942
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: they should be on the shot linked numbers. There should

943
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: be the fastest players get bonus money down to the

944
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: top ten, and then most improved from last year's numbers

945
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: should get paid. Most of the good because some guys

946
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: do improve and they work at it, and that is like, hey,

947
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: thank you, Like you saw a problem and you fix it.

948
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: I like that idea. That's a great, that's a good.

949
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: Instead of punished slow play, let's reward fast play, you know,

950
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: because so, I mean, these guys all go home. I

951
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: mean jeal'sis he loves golf, and I'm you play with

952
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: two players at home. They run around, they don't warm up,

953
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: they all shoot sixty five taking two hours and five minutes.

954
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: They just woke up and hit it and they all

955
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: go loud, and they played better, every single one of them.

956
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: As soon as it comes to Thursday. It's just two

957
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: and a half minutes of shot to start on the club.

958
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: Like you've been playing golf, your haul off, you're really

959
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: good at it. D nineties and seven on and it's

960
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: always been a seven on. I just did a seven on.

961
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: What what what do you mean, like it's just crazy, you're exactly.

962
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you played a whisper rock lot. I mean, yeah,

963
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: you'd show up, you grab a cocktail, you hit three

964
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: balls and maybe two pots, and you're on the tea

965
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: and you're rippling down the middle. And no one ever

966
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I didn't get a warm up today.

967
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, and then it's a two hour routine to

968
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: get ready for the Thursday morning. And you're like, I don't,

969
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. That's crazy. But when you said that,

970
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: no one's confrontations because all the assholes went to the

971
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: live tour. But like, those are my words, not Jewels. Yeah,

972
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: most most, there's a couple of others we could send

973
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: over there. Uh, this is something I'm just curious how

974
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: how different your answers will be. Um, because you're Jeff

975
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: and Jewel, you're the two guys on this podcast. You

976
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: can really play golf, like when you're standing over a ball,

977
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: and of course there's always a million variables in a tournament, situation, whatever,

978
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: But what what sensation are you trying to create in

979
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: your body? Like what is the feel you're looking for?

980
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm really I've always been curious about Wow, I'm not

981
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: going to tell you it's a sacred I'm trying to

982
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: black out I'm trying to not do I'm I'm a

983
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: I'm more of a field player anyways, but like I'm

984
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: a like a one swing, thought and go type guy.

985
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: And sometimes when I'm playing my best, if you ask

986
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: a lot of players, what were you thinking about there?

987
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't. I was reacting to a target type thing,

988
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: which is kind of a cliche answer, but um, I

989
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, You're It's the biggest qublem with golf. Raw,

990
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: It's the biggest problem with golf is like you asked

991
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: everyone else good players, but what were you doing when

992
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: you do it? And then I describe it? But I

993
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: went thinking of that when I was doing it. I

994
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: was just doing it. You can't And how do you

995
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: describe a feel in woods? Like words aren't appropriate to

996
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: describe a feel. You can't describe what your golf swing

997
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: feels like all Brad facts and can't describe what he's

998
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: putting stroke feels like, I don't know, it just feels

999
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: like I'm rolling the ball over there. You know, we're

1000
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: looking for what he's doing, but he's just putting. To him,

1001
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: it's just putting. Um And I mean there's books and

1002
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: websites and blogs and videos and sports scientists all trying

1003
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: to break down what we do in a golf swing.

1004
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: But really, the people who know how they do it,

1005
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: they just walk up and hit it, you know, and

1006
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: everyone cuts it up and piece us later on. It's

1007
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: just an impossible thing to do to describe what you feel.

1008
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, we just play a lot and we just

1009
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: weren't like, how do you what do you feel when

1010
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: you throw a ball to someone? You know, you just

1011
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: throw a ball right, you aim at the glove and

1012
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: you just throw a ball. What are you feeling? What

1013
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: muscles sequence do you use when you throw a ball?

1014
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: And it's amazing how often your feel is not real.

1015
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: Now we have all the technology of all the track

1016
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: man's and all the other stuff, it's like, oh, I

1017
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: feel like I'm swinging right and it's still two left.

1018
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, so if I tell someone I

1019
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: feel like I'm swinging right, but it's not actually what's

1020
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: going on? Like that doesn't match up at all. And

1021
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: I mean famously like the ball flight laws right, like

1022
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: Nicholas and Palmer and all those guys had it absolutely backwards,

1023
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: Like they said they closed the club phase? Are they

1024
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: point the club face? Where they wanted to go and

1025
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: they swing you know out, you know for drawing and fade.

1026
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's absolutely opposite of how you do that.

1027
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: But I was even young, I was old enough for

1028
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: two I was taught to hit a fade by pointing

1029
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: your club at the target and then swinging left where

1030
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: really that's not how it works at all. So it's

1031
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: kind of amazing how feels aren't real, so and every

1032
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: you just kind of trust whatever your feel is that

1033
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: day or whatever it could be, and you just kind

1034
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: of roll with it. To the point you guys are

1035
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: making at the Open. This child you to play in

1036
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: the Open at Saint Andrews this year, I missed out.

1037
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 1: That's one of that's I think I might have another

1038
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: chance before I'm too old, but that was one of

1039
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: my that's gonna burn me not to play a hundred

1040
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: and fifties. That's andrewth Well, I hope you got another chance.

1041
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure you will. But one of one of the

1042
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: an Alan knows this because we've talked about it, but

1043
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: one of the highlights for me was Trevino was there,

1044
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: of course as a former Open champion, and of course

1045
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: all the guys who are on the range. Ryan Harmon

1046
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: and John Rump way way way too young to even

1047
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: know the highlight reel of Lee Trevino. They just know

1048
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: that Lee Trevino is golf and and Brian Harmon particularly

1049
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: was really watching him closely. And afterwards I talked to me, said,

1050
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: what did you pick up on there? And he said,

1051
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: just like how much he feels golf and how mechanical

1052
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: I can get. And I don't consider Brian Harmon mechanical

1053
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: golfer at all, but uh, it was just interesting to

1054
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: hear him gravitate Trevino without necessarily even really understanding what

1055
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: yourvina is all about. But still you could tell, you know,

1056
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: for me, Savey was that way, Steve was that way

1057
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: before that. Uh, So it's interesting that how we're how

1058
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: we're drawn to these golfers, that Payne Stewart was that way,

1059
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: who have what what what Jeff is describing, just have it?

1060
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: You can't really and don't really don't even want to

1061
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. Kind of change the subject

1062
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: for one second, because we won't have Joel and I

1063
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: won't have this opportunity all all that often Joel, I

1064
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: find Jay Monahan when I'm in his physical presence. You know,

1065
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: just the eyes alone are very impressive. He's intense. You know,

1066
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: he's got that New England bulldog quality about him. But

1067
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: you've seen him behind closed doors a lot lot more

1068
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: than than certainly Alan and I have. Um, how is

1069
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: he different behind closed doors than the than the Jay

1070
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: Monahan we see in press conferences? Uh? I think Jay's

1071
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: a rock star. Uh, he's he's quick with a joke.

1072
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: Behind closed doors, he's Uh, he's open. I would say

1073
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: he's he's he knows so much about each player, Like

1074
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: he asked about how my wife is doing, and um

1075
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: asked how my dog's doing, and um, uh, he he

1076
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: got to watch Uh so I'm on a Netflix show

1077
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: that's coming out next year and he got to watch

1078
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of an I guess a rough cut of it,

1079
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: of of one of my episodes, I guess or uh.

1080
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: And he said such a nice note about that, like

1081
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: he's he's. I think he's just the best. Like he

1082
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: you could argue the business side and the politics. I

1083
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: don't really get into that much. I don't know. I'm

1084
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: not smart enough to figure it all out. So I

1085
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: think he is and the people that do all that

1086
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: stuff for fine. I think where he's doing a good job.

1087
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: I'll let him talk. But Jay has always been super personal.

1088
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: I've got to get a couple of dinners with him, um,

1089
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: But he's he's easy with a smile and typically a

1090
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: pretty good joke, and he is very aware and locked

1091
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: into to what's going on with almost all the players.

1092
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: I've been impressed with that part. But Joe, you're on

1093
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: the player Advisory Council, right, Like, you gotta know this stuff.

1094
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: You can't totally punt on all the politics and the

1095
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: deal making that like, it's your purview, man, your your leadership.

1096
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: I am not The board is the leadership, and I

1097
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: am just the guy sits in the room. Jeffrey Ever

1098
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: on the pack, Yeah a little bit. Yeah. So yeah,

1099
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: it's fun and you're not really part of it. You

1100
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: just had ideas to throw upstairs. Wrong. Yeah, that's exactly right.

1101
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: Like it's I pressed pretty hard for three years to

1102
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: be on the pack because I thought I'm gonna be

1103
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: on tour. I want to know how the business works.

1104
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: This is my job, and I feel like I should

1105
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: just know what's going on. And maybe I don't know

1106
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: if I've ever had this grandiose idea of what should

1107
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: be going on or maybe how to make it better.

1108
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: I just want to understand it better. And I kind

1109
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: of get in the room and it doesn't matter at

1110
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: all what I say or what I think, which is fine,

1111
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: but it's kind of fun to be in the room

1112
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: and when when people start talking, and there's some guys

1113
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: that are extra fun to listen to at times, and uh,

1114
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: we gotta poke fun of them after the meetings over.

1115
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 1: Just okay, don't don't see their names, you're just screet,

1116
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: but just give us their initials. H Uh No, I

1117
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: don't have enough to heal in me yet. Day uh

1118
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: So I become friendly with the Chad Mom. He's the

1119
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: Fox Media executive who's overseeing the Netflix show, and he's

1120
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: been telling me all year like people are gonna lose

1121
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: their minds when they see this um And I guess

1122
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm a little dubious because I know, I know, I've

1123
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: seen tour players a lot through the years and and

1124
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: their their habits. But what is what about this show

1125
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: is going to be eye opening to the fans at

1126
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: home and how in your situation in particular, how open

1127
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: have you been and then how comfortable have you gotten

1128
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: having the cameras invade your life. I would say that

1129
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: I've been very open, probably to a fault. I mean,

1130
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: my wife and I we hosted a huge party Tuesday night.

1131
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: We call it Taco Tuesday. We've done it for years

1132
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: here for the Phoenix Open, but this year it was

1133
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: kind of a blowout. I mean we had seventy plus

1134
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: people here and bartender and all the stuff going. So

1135
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: that was kind of the first step. But they've been

1136
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: to our house three times now, like they've sat down

1137
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: my wife separate multiple times. So we've we've been very

1138
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: open to it. But well, I don't know, we're pretty open.

1139
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean we're we don't have anything to hide, and

1140
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: we're pretty normal people, I would say comparatively a lot

1141
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: of tour players. We live a pretty normal lifestyle outside

1142
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: of kidding a golf ball and traveling a lot. So

1143
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna be surprised at one how

1144
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: boring most tour players are, uh, like, oh, what do

1145
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: they do at home? It's got to be so much fun,

1146
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: Like no, it's really not like you kind of wake up,

1147
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: go to the gym, go play some golf, and that's it.

1148
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: Like there is and there's not I think they wanted

1149
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: this drama, and I haven't watched a lot of that

1150
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: F one Drive to Survive stuff, but there's always like

1151
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: sounds like they're always kind of like fighting amongst teams

1152
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: and there's always some drama going on, and um, there's

1153
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: just really not that on the PGA tur I know

1154
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: this year is you know, special with the live and

1155
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: and the stuff going on back and forth. But I

1156
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: just think I think they're gonna love like hearing some

1157
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: some comments and like what they're always like, oh what

1158
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: are the players talking about on the golf course where

1159
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: you stay, what you eat and like like simple things.

1160
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna be I don't I don't

1161
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: have they've they've been very the Netflix. They were very

1162
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: very quiet about how this is all going to me.

1163
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: They haven't like, hey, they don't really show you snippets.

1164
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: They don't. They just say, yeah, you guys are doing great.

1165
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: I heard Kepta is unbelievable on it. Um. I don't

1166
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: know if he led him into some of his grandiose things,

1167
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: but I've heard he's gonna be great, and I've heard

1168
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: that there's others that are like duds. So I don't

1169
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: know how it's all gonna shave out. I think they're

1170
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: just be surprised with some behind the scenes stuff, which

1171
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: is like in the locker room, they'll just kind of

1172
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: be like, we're just typical people. Um, we're just dudes

1173
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: like who play golf, and we talked about the same

1174
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: stuff that everyone else talks about, and um so I

1175
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: my understanding is they're not out to get anyone. They're

1176
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: not out to you know, show a bad side of

1177
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: nationally anyone, So you're probably gonna get the best of

1178
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: all of it. Um. But I'm kind of just as

1179
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: curious and kind of excited to see how this all unfolds.

1180
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: What would be an example of Brooks kept a good

1181
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: going grandiose. I don't even know. I played with them

1182
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: one time and he was super nice to me, but

1183
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: I imagine that I have I've heard so we've all

1184
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: heard stories. So I heard he likes Vegas. I've heard, uh,

1185
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: he likes have a good time at home as well.

1186
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: So but I mean everyone likes to drink a beer

1187
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: and hang out. So I don't know exactly what that means,

1188
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: but I've heard that he let them into his life

1189
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: quite a bit at home, which I guess I'm just

1190
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,479
Speaker 1: excited to see as anyone else, well I have heard,

1191
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,479
Speaker 1: you know, because that they needed they needed one bad

1192
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: guy wouldn't live, bad guy who just took the money

1193
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't for any you know, noble reasons.

1194
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: Just completely sold his soul. So maybe it's Brooks, maybe

1195
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: it's somebody else. We'll see what that'll that all out

1196
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: a little spice to it. Perhaps it's all in the editing, right,

1197
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: but they there's so they have so much content. I

1198
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: can imagine like what is left on the the floor,

1199
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: like the editing floor, Like you know, they shoot someone

1200
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 1: but smarter than me knows, but I don't. They shoot

1201
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: hours and hours to get like a minute that's gonna

1202
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: be on the actual TV show. So I don't know

1203
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: how that's all gonna work out. But um, I think

1204
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to lay my head on the

1205
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: pill at night and be like I was who I was,

1206
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: And UM be curious what my wife said. She's she's

1207
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: pretty real at time. So I'm I try to cover

1208
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: up a couple of things every now and then. But

1209
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: also Gino has been miked up for multiple rounds, and

1210
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: so the stuff you can edit, you can edit it

1211
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: both ways, like super quickly on if you don't. If

1212
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: there's not a previous conversation, all of a sudden, he

1213
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: circles back something you just talked about, like that could

1214
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: be totally out of context, which is a really fun

1215
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: way to get out of things. I was taken out

1216
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: of context. But um I I'm hoping that they paint

1217
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: us in the best light that they can. Yeah. Well,

1218
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: and I think people anyone who follows golf even casually

1219
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: at this point knows that you and Gino are are

1220
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: thickest thieves. And if there's any bickery or trash talking

1221
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: amongst you, it's you're gonna survive it. It's it's not

1222
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: really Oh yeah, there won't be anything between us. I

1223
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: think it'll be mostly him probably making fun of me

1224
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: for hitting bad golf shots, or me, um yeah, telling

1225
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 1: him he was wrong. That happens a lot. That's great. Well,

1226
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: you've been extremely generous with your time, Joel. Before before

1227
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: we let him go, do you guys have any any

1228
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: final thoughts or final questions? Very very enjoyable, Joel. I've

1229
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: I've no need to be, you know, a highly intelligent,

1230
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: insightful player and uh I've admired you from Afar and

1231
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: I'll say hi in person the next time I see you.

1232
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that was such a famous thing.

1233
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I brought it up. I had I

1234
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: known that, I wouldn't have. But I remember being very

1235
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure Alan was like a barber. Everybody knows that thing.

1236
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: What do you that's not obscure? Uh uh, I'll just

1237
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,959
Speaker 1: I'll just this one quick observation. You all talked about

1238
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: tribunals in different ways. I had a friend who died

1239
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: last year. He's a great guy named Michael M. Thomas,

1240
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: who was a longtime member at National Golf Links. And

1241
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: his thing was this, this follows from your discussion to

1242
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: slow play and who should get reward and who should

1243
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: get penalized. His thing was that every golf club should

1244
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: have a reverse admissions committee and someone is going to

1245
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: get thrown out of the club every year for merit

1246
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: or not. And I thought that was gonna keep people

1247
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: on their toes. And what you said, what you said

1248
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: Joel about fear, Uh, fear is some motivator in life,

1249
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: and uh, it's valuable, So keep being scared. It's good

1250
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: than yeah, alright on that note. We're gonna let you go, Joel,

1251
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: part of our our little podcast sneakiness. You hit the

1252
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: leave button and then we're gonna we're gonna Monday Morning quarterback.

1253
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: You're a period. We get to talk about you. Yeah,

1254
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: but thank you for your time. Yeah, thank you guys.

1255
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: This is fun. I like this format. This is a

1256
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I think you guys have something here

1257
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: that's you know, there's a million podcasts out there, but

1258
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: this one's well, the three of you are are say,

1259
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: pretty pretty special, and you're getting this field. So it's

1260
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun that you know, you have a

1261
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: surprise guest and you have no idea what's coming or

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Speaker 1: or where where it's going to go. Good stuff. Thanks John,

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Speaker 1: take care you have to press the lead button. Joel's

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Speaker 1: the red. Uh. That was great. I mean, clearly one

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Speaker 1: of the good guys. Right. I don't know anyone in

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Speaker 1: golf it doesn't like Joel David Oh fantastic. I want

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Speaker 1: to go and Smart thinks about golf. Um thinks about

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Speaker 1: the two. Uh, it's not getting carried away with not

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Speaker 1: getting carried away with his results or thing. He just

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Speaker 1: loves playing golf on tour and he wants to keep Tona.

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Speaker 1: That's just really this other guy who will play like

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Speaker 1: you said that divid Thomas are the brad Facts and

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Speaker 1: he looks like same as like he could be the

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Speaker 1: guy who's that Jerry Kelly. You know, um caeps at

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Speaker 1: all in balance, And I would from the little I

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Speaker 1: know about his game, looks again, who could you get?

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Speaker 1: You get him on if there was ever a US

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Speaker 1: Open on a tree line golf course. Again that may

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Speaker 1: never happen. He'd be a good guy. You know, he

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Speaker 1: looks like he's out of the Jeff Ogilvy, Scott Simpson,

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Speaker 1: Larry Nelson tradition of you know, keep the ball in

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Speaker 1: front of you, play smart shots, go for it when

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Speaker 1: you can, the middle of the greenham part five second shot.

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Speaker 1: You know, two pup berties are great. Uh, seventy is great.

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Speaker 1: And I could see this guy contending in the US Open. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he played great at Brooklyne. So I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: as a bet as traditional as it gets. So I

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Speaker 1: think that was a neat set up. Not to segue,

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Speaker 1: but that was neat, wasn't it. Yeah? I know it's

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Speaker 1: there's and you know this better than anybody. Jeff like

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Speaker 1: guys get to tour and and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: just sort of turned into a different person, right, But

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Speaker 1: like I think part of what makes Joel appealing he's

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Speaker 1: just the same guy he was seven years ago, when

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Speaker 1: he was or ten years ago when he was struggling

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Speaker 1: on the on the Canadian tour. And it's refreshing that

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Speaker 1: even if somebody has success, these to exactly the same,

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Speaker 1: because that that that seems in any wack of life,

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Speaker 1: that seems a little rare. I'm look, I'm sure it

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Speaker 1: happens everywhere, but on tour absolutely the measure of the

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Speaker 1: guys when he plays really well for a period and

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Speaker 1: when he plays really poorly for a period, like how

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Speaker 1: they are. You know, some guys personalities and uh perspectives

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Speaker 1: on things change depending on where they are on the

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Speaker 1: money list. And he seems to be a guy who's

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Speaker 1: going with the home every day, which is what you're

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Speaker 1: really looking for, you know, in a in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna gravitate towards those guys who are

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Speaker 1: consistent are really good guys. They're not getting carried away

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Speaker 1: with what they are. They know that in two months

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Speaker 1: time they might missing every cut you know, man, it's

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Speaker 1: such a etherial fleeting thing, uh form when you play golf. Um,

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Speaker 1: and he seems to have that own perspective. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: good value. I hope the stays out there as long

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Speaker 1: as you can. Yeah, you're here, Jeff. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: played with Bill Murray or been around Bill Murray? I've

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Speaker 1: been around Bill, Thank goodness. I haven't played with him

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Speaker 1: at least in the tournament because I think that's a

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Speaker 1: fair distraction. I mean, d I did unbelievable job playing

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Speaker 1: with him for so long because I think it's a circus.

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Speaker 1: But a few, yeah, a few of the events at

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Speaker 1: the tournament over the years. He's um. He's an interesting character.

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Speaker 1: The reason I bring the reason I bring him up

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Speaker 1: with one of his things is you're going along in

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Speaker 1: your career and then you hit it big very quickly,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Murray says you're gonna be a dick for

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Speaker 1: a year. That goes without saying the question is what

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Speaker 1: happens at on the one year anniversary? That's awesome? All right. Well,

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Speaker 1: on that note, we're gonna end another unit a fourth

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, of course, Jeff Ogilvie, Michael Bamberger

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Speaker 1: I'm Alan schip Nick. It's this is a fun little

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Speaker 1: thing we have going here, and we appreciate your support.

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Speaker 1: So we will be back in your ear with another

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Speaker 1: episode soon. But that's all we got. Wishing Joel Damon

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Speaker 1: happy trails. We appreciate his time and we'll try and

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Speaker 1: we'll try on top. It's gonna be hard to get

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Speaker 1: a more thoughtful guest, but that's our goal ever, try

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Speaker 1: and get every episode better than one before it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's possible, but we'll do our best.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for listening. That's all