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Speaker 1: week's six shocking stories.
Speaker 2: So our first one is called cut your fingernails Please.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see where this goes, because fingernails
Speaker 2: gross me out really badly. So this woman and her
Speaker 2: sexual partner were having sex. After they finished, she ended
Speaker 2: up dying, and what they founded her autopsy was really surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they did the autopsy, and you know, she
Speaker 1: was a perfectly young person. They just didn't really understand
Speaker 1: what happened with her. And when they took out her
Speaker 1: uterus and vagina, so that's one of the organs that
Speaker 1: we typically examine on every autop they took it out
Speaker 1: and they saw this large laceration in the vaginal wall
Speaker 1: that was very heemorrhagic and it looked like it was
Speaker 1: definitely a source of what the problem was. And when
Speaker 1: they did the entire autopsy, they kind of had their suspicions.
Speaker 1: So they did it in a specific way where they
Speaker 1: examined the heart and the vessels that go into the
Speaker 1: heart and come out of the heart under water, So
Speaker 1: they put water in the chest cavity, and when they
Speaker 1: opened up the heart and the vessels, there were lots
Speaker 1: of air bubbles coming out, which is helpful in diagnosing
Speaker 1: something called an air embolism. So what is an air
Speaker 1: embolism exactly and are they common? So any they're not
Speaker 1: very common, and any time you have an embolism, So
Speaker 1: an embolism means that it's something that occurs inside of
Speaker 1: one of the vessels and it could travel to the
Speaker 1: heart and to the lungs, which is always dangerous. So
Speaker 1: you've probably heard of pulmonary embolism. You've probably heard of
Speaker 1: a fat embolism when we were talking about like bosuction
Speaker 1: and those procedures like that, and an air embolism is
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's when air enters one part of
Speaker 1: the cardiovascular system and it travels to the heart and lungs,
Speaker 1: and obviously, like when anything is in the circulatory system
Speaker 1: that's not supposed to be there besides blood that's circulating
Speaker 1: oxygen through your body, then it could be really bad
Speaker 1: and it could end up causing death. So in this case,
Speaker 1: they determined that she was getting having how could I
Speaker 1: say this classy like foreplay for play with Digital penetration
Speaker 1: very very hard and with fingers yes, okay, digit yes,
Speaker 1: And the act of just pushing in and out so
Speaker 1: fast was what caused the air to kind of go
Speaker 1: into the vagina. But really the way that the air
Speaker 1: got into the vascular system was because his fingernails were
Speaker 1: so long that it caused a laceration and a tear
Speaker 1: in the vaginal wall, which then put a tear into
Speaker 1: one of the veins, and that's how the air ended
Speaker 1: up getting up inside of there. I mean, if your
Speaker 1: fingernails are that long that it's causing damage like that,
Speaker 1: that is absolutely disgusting. I don't know, my fingernails are
Speaker 1: like five inches long.
Speaker 2: You have acrylic nails that are done like what I
Speaker 2: guess when they were when they were doing the autopsy, Like,
Speaker 2: is that something they go back and look at the
Speaker 2: other person's fingernails. Well, it's it's part of the investigation.
Speaker 2: That's what they determined it was from.
Speaker 1: And it's it's still so it's just a complete freak death.
Speaker 1: It's it. Air embolisms and women especially are most common
Speaker 1: in the postpartum period, and that's because when you have
Speaker 1: your placenta inside of your uterus right after you give birth,
Speaker 1: when the placenta breaks off from the inside of the uterus,
Speaker 1: it causes these open ended vessels, right, And that's why
Speaker 1: that period for six weeks after you have a baby.
Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons they tell you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be having sex because this has been documented to happen
Speaker 1: in people because just the forceful pumping of a penis
Speaker 1: and air up inside there can cause air to get
Speaker 1: into the vascular system that way. So it's just it's
Speaker 1: just really really rare for it to even happen then
Speaker 1: as well, but there are documented cases of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean death by fingernail for play.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I never would have thought of something like this, I
Speaker 2: guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've seen some dudes with some gnarly fingernails, just especially
Speaker 1: at when you go get your food at take out
Speaker 1: or something. Just it really grosses me out. You're you're like,
Speaker 1: why do you have a You shouldn't have a free
Speaker 1: edge if you're a dude. I think, I mean this
Speaker 1: kind of goes.
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago, we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: like how men wearing sandals kind of skive us out,
Speaker 2: which I don't feel like people. I mean, the comments
Speaker 2: were really mixed on that, with a lot of people agreeing,
Speaker 2: but some people just telling us we were assholes basically.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think I'm thinking about this too.
Speaker 2: Like fingernails, when they're long, no matter if you're male
Speaker 2: or female, it they're If they're not properly manicured and
Speaker 2: they're dirt under them and they're long, it just skis
Speaker 2: me out so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's also another another thing that I wanted
Speaker 1: to say, like if you and it, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: women and men could stick their fingers inside of vaginas,
Speaker 1: but if there's a lot of dirt and debris and
Speaker 1: bacteria underneath of the nail, and then on top of
Speaker 1: that they're long and they're sharp, you can cut the
Speaker 1: inside of the vagina as well and introduce bacteria into there.
Speaker 1: So you want to make sure that if you're partaking
Speaker 1: in those activities that the person has clean, short fingernails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And like I don't know, like personally, I
Speaker 2: would never want to engage with somebody that had fingernails
Speaker 2: like that, But what are you gonna if you're in
Speaker 2: spur of the moment, you know, you're like lusting after
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: What are you going to be like?
Speaker 2: All right, stop and cut your fingernails or make sure
Speaker 2: they're cleaning shit.
Speaker 1: You should definitely always keep now clippers by the side
Speaker 1: of your bed. I guess in case this such situation
Speaker 1: ever happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that won't ruin the moment or anything, but I
Speaker 2: don't know. All right. This next one is called bulletproof chest.
Speaker 2: So a thirty four year old woman walked in on
Speaker 2: somebody who was about to take their own life with
Speaker 2: a gun. She goes to try to get the gun
Speaker 2: out of their hand and it accidentally discharges, shooting her
Speaker 2: in the chest. So at the hospital, doctors determined that,
Speaker 2: you know, the bullet went through a pretty unusual thing
Speaker 2: and possibly saved her life.
Speaker 1: So she got shot essentially through the areola right close
Speaker 1: to the nipple and it so that was where the
Speaker 1: entrance wound was and it went out of her armpit.
Speaker 1: And when they did the dissection, when they were doing surgery,
Speaker 1: they saw that the trajectory of the bullet went through
Speaker 1: the nipple area and that it hit her breast implant.
Speaker 1: She had a saline breast implant, and then it kind
Speaker 1: of ricocheted off of the capsule. So the capsule is
Speaker 1: when you get breast implants, you have tissue that grows
Speaker 1: in your body because your body recognizes a breast implant
Speaker 1: as being foreign and it doesn't like it. So your
Speaker 1: body kind of builds a wall around the implant and
Speaker 1: it's like this thick wall of tissue. Well, the bullet
Speaker 1: kind of bounced off of that capsule and instead of
Speaker 1: going through her rib, which is where it wanted to go,
Speaker 1: it lost the moment momentum and kind of bounced off
Speaker 1: and went out her armpit and saved her life. And
Speaker 1: the cool part is in the picture in the post,
Speaker 1: you could see the implant coming out of the exit woman.
Speaker 1: It's really crazy looking. Yeah, and you were.
Speaker 2: Writing about in the post too, how there was studies where,
Speaker 2: you know, like ballistic experts were actually shooting breast implants
Speaker 2: in the field to try to see if they were
Speaker 2: helpful in this at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real. It's really interesting. So they did studies
Speaker 1: and they found that women that have breast implants could
Speaker 1: be twenties percent more likely to survive if they get
Speaker 1: shot in the chest because they can they ruined the
Speaker 1: momentum of the projectile that's going through you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it slows it down, so to speak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Wondering too, like because we've talked a lot about breast
Speaker 2: implant illness and everything. To him, like what if she
Speaker 2: had the silicone ones and then that could have caused
Speaker 2: a whole different set of issues with the silicon popping.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that would have had the
Speaker 2: same effect.
Speaker 1: And well, most I believe that most of the modern
Speaker 1: day implants that are put in that the silicone is solid.
Speaker 1: It's not like remember when I first started working in pathology,
Speaker 1: I would show you that we would get these ruptured
Speaker 1: breast implants from like these old ladies that got them
Speaker 1: done in like the seventies and eighties and never took
Speaker 1: them out. And they're very like basically like a balloon
Speaker 1: filled with liquid silicone, sticky nastiness. So anytime the outside
Speaker 1: of this balloon like ripped or ruptured, all of that
Speaker 1: silicone would leak inside of a woman's chest. But now
Speaker 1: they're made so they can get be up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would still have to take it out,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't leak as it used to back in
Speaker 1: the day. I mean, obviously that was what was causing
Speaker 1: people all these problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to get them. If you have
Speaker 2: breast implants, you have to get them replaced, like every
Speaker 2: ten years or so, right. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's as frequent as ten years. I'd
Speaker 2: say probably closer to twenty years. But yes, But I
Speaker 2: think that a lot of the problems that we see
Speaker 2: with foreign bodies in the lab are because people don't
Speaker 2: really realize that. But also I always think about this,
Speaker 2: And I was talking with one of our friends that
Speaker 2: has implants, who got them when she was what thirty five,
Speaker 2: So she's going to need to have them replaced a
Speaker 2: couple times in her life. And I'm like, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: thirty five and you really want breast implants, right, And
Speaker 2: when you're fifty five you might really want breast implants.
Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden, it's like you're seventy five,
Speaker 2: so and you think, like, okay, whatever, I'm going to
Speaker 2: die soon. But sometimes people live to be like ninety
Speaker 2: years old, one hundred years old. You really should get
Speaker 2: them replaced and not just leave them in, right. And
Speaker 2: it's just like the older you get, the less you.
Speaker 1: Care about Like that, I feel maybe not every woman,
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of women or just be like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're sixty five years old, and now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like you have authritis, you have
Speaker 1: high blood pressure, you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 1: just either maybe not even healthy enough to get surgery.
Speaker 1: But just like also just like I have two kids,
Speaker 1: I have five grandkids, Like I just don't care anymore,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you can't. You have
Speaker 1: to because they could start causing problems if they're in
Speaker 1: too long.
Speaker 2: You know. I feel like a lot of people I
Speaker 2: talk to that want breast implants don't realize that you
Speaker 2: have to get them replaced at some point. I think
Speaker 2: they think it's a one and done surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they most people probably think that when they start,
Speaker 1: but any good surgeon will tell them that's not the case,
Speaker 1: you know, So and and twenty years goes by fast,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's another thing too, is the cost.
Speaker 1: Like maybe when you're younger and you want to get
Speaker 1: them done, you know, you don't have any responsibilities, and
Speaker 1: you you know, because it costs a decent amount of
Speaker 1: money to get the surgery done, and then when you
Speaker 1: get older, it's like, oh, do I really want to
Speaker 1: spend thousands of dollars to get new boobs right now? No,
Speaker 1: I'd rather go on a trip, or I'd rather pay
Speaker 1: for my kids college, or you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's just like all these it's a lifelong decision. You
Speaker 1: could also just get them taken out, but then a
Speaker 1: lot of times that doesn't work out well, especially if
Speaker 1: you went up so large, like you might have a
Speaker 1: lot of extra hanging skin and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think they're ever in my future.
Speaker 2: I could see myself winning a lift eventually, but maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I just feel like I have
Speaker 2: such bad bag problems already, I don't need to introduce
Speaker 2: anything else into the mix.
Speaker 1: I'm against them. I like the way that they look
Speaker 1: in some people, for sure, and I think that they
Speaker 1: definitely help people with if they have insecurities about that.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of anti foreign body unless I really
Speaker 1: really need one, just because I've seen how horrible it
Speaker 1: could go for some people. And I just think, like,
Speaker 1: if you have if you have a normally like hyperactive
Speaker 1: immune system, which I think I do, between like allergies
Speaker 1: and my autoimmune disease and stuff that I don't know, Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like my body would just freak out, and
Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't want to deal with like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to deal with so much, but I I mean,
Speaker 1: I know people that have had them and never had
Speaker 1: any problems. It's the same with the IUD though. I
Speaker 1: know people that have had iud's that had no problems
Speaker 1: and other ones that it's the worst thing ever. So whatever,
Speaker 1: just take the chance if it's if it bothers you
Speaker 1: that bad to just you know, you could always get
Speaker 1: them caught out.
Speaker 2: Okay, This next one is called Mattress Side in Turkey.
Speaker 2: A fifty seven year old woman was living with her
Speaker 2: thirty three year old daughter who was schizophrenic. So the
Speaker 2: mom was supposed to show up to some home meeting.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming there was like an hoa type of deal
Speaker 2: or in their apartment building. You know, they just had
Speaker 2: meetings whatever. But she didn't show up, and because earlier
Speaker 2: in the day there had been screaming coming from the apartment,
Speaker 2: the neighbors decided to call the police. So the police
Speaker 2: get there and come across a really disturbing scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when the police showed up, they found this
Speaker 1: mom had been not only murdered, but she's also was
Speaker 1: partially dismembered, including her head was decapitated. She had just
Speaker 1: such serious trauma to her bed, to her body, and
Speaker 1: there was a box, a cardboard box next to the
Speaker 1: bed where her body and body parts were in. So
Speaker 1: they decide when they looked at her, they saw that
Speaker 1: her right arm and both hands were found in the
Speaker 1: cardboard box next to the bed, and it it did
Speaker 1: look like the daughter had attempted to clean up the scene.
Speaker 1: So when they went into the kitchen, it was like
Speaker 1: the clothes that she was wearing were put into the
Speaker 1: washing machine and the knight, the knife that she used,
Speaker 1: was washed. And they did also see something really unusual
Speaker 1: was that the toilet was broke into pieces. So they
Speaker 1: didn't really understand what that was. So they interviewed the
Speaker 1: daughter and she was saying basically that she was always
Speaker 1: criticizing and humiliating her and I mean, she obviously had
Speaker 1: this history of schizophrenia, right, So she said that she
Speaker 1: stabbed her mom to death and then a couple hours
Speaker 1: later she cut off her hands and she cut off
Speaker 1: her head. But the craziest part and the most disturbing
Speaker 1: part I guess of this story is when they examined
Speaker 1: all of her body parts, they saw that her head
Speaker 1: was indeed cut off at thee the number two cervical
Speaker 1: vertebral area, which is like you can't see in the video,
Speaker 1: but like right, you know, at the very top of
Speaker 1: your neck, right under where you could fear your skull
Speaker 1: going into your spinal canal.
Speaker 2: And when they did, she cut her mom's head off
Speaker 2: when she was dead, right, But this is proving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they so that's what they looked at. But so
Speaker 1: not only did she have seventy one stab wounds in
Speaker 1: her head, which is outrageous, so many the photo is
Speaker 1: just so disturbing, but all of these stab wounds, including
Speaker 1: the amputation margin, had hemorrhage, which indicates that she was
Speaker 1: alive when those injuries took place. So the daughter cut
Speaker 1: her mom's head off while she was still alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what's disturbing for investigators too, is
Speaker 2: she said she was aware that she was in the
Speaker 2: middle of an episode when it was happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, schizophrannia is just so it's so scary, and it's
Speaker 1: like this mom was almost sixty years old living with
Speaker 1: her daughter. She had this diagnosis as schizophrannia. She never
Speaker 1: worked and had a job, and she had to live
Speaker 1: at home with her mom. And just imagine the fear
Speaker 1: that her mom lived in with knowing that her daughter
Speaker 1: had episodes like this and stuff. And the hands had
Speaker 1: evidence of defensive wounds, So it means that she was
Speaker 1: aware that she was getting stabbed and was trying to
Speaker 1: push her daughter off. And really, and then again, if
Speaker 1: this wasn't disturbing enough, the most disturbing part is after they,
Speaker 1: you know, talk to the daughter that murdered her mom,
Speaker 1: they found out that she broke the toilet because she
Speaker 1: was trying to make the opening bigger so she could
Speaker 1: stuff her body parts in it.
Speaker 2: It's just it's really sad to see this go down.
Speaker 2: And you know, mattress Side's really really rare, especially by
Speaker 2: a daughter, right, Like, isn't that mostly committed by sons? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's only like one to four percent of murders anyway,
Speaker 2: and yes, most of the time it's committed by sons.
Speaker 2: I feel like people are going to push back on
Speaker 2: that statistic because you know, right now, the hottest case
Speaker 2: in the news is Gypsy Rose blanterd and especially because
Speaker 2: you know, new crime scene photos have come out and
Speaker 2: we just have to think of that like a daughter
Speaker 2: that killed her. But that's I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: a special case, which is why that case is so
Speaker 2: sensationalized with everything happening with it in the Munchausen by
Speaker 2: proxy and you know, but I don't feel like in
Speaker 2: when we're researching that we come across a lot of
Speaker 2: these cases.
Speaker 1: No, and I don't I'm not sure if tho. I
Speaker 1: don't think that those photos are new crime scene photos.
Speaker 1: I think that after everything that I looked up, it's
Speaker 1: just like they were already Apparently they've been available the
Speaker 1: whole time, and they circulated the internet for a while
Speaker 1: years ago when this happened, and now they're just kind
Speaker 1: of recirculating. I'm not sure what prompted it to get
Speaker 1: to recirculate them. But I did talk about some of
Speaker 1: the photos because one of the grocery members sent me
Speaker 1: the file with every single picture, so it's kind of
Speaker 1: interesting to look at. But I'm not even sure that
Speaker 1: that wouldn't really be considered mattricide because she physically didn't
Speaker 1: kill the mom. Yes, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: her friend killed the boyfriend. But and I wonder if
Speaker 1: anyone ever interviews her why she decided to not. I
Speaker 1: guess that's why she got in trouble and went to jail,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't an impulsive thing that she decided to
Speaker 1: do to protect herself. Kind of it was like planned
Speaker 1: out and you know, like why she decided that she
Speaker 1: wasn't going to do it herself versus get someone to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely come up that
Speaker 1: question to her right, like why did you do it?
Speaker 1: Why do you have the guy do it?
Speaker 2: Right? I don't remember off the top of my head
Speaker 2: what her answer was, but I think, you know, they
Speaker 2: definitely she definitely had charged with some form of first
Speaker 2: degree murder, even though she didn't commit it herself, but
Speaker 2: she was heavily involved in the planning process. So even
Speaker 2: though she didn't stab her mother directly, she was part
Speaker 2: of it in an accessory to the crime, and then
Speaker 2: you had a factor in all the abuse that happened.
Speaker 2: So I think that's why her sentence was not as
Speaker 2: bad as it normally would have been for a crime
Speaker 2: like that, because they were able to successfully prove that
Speaker 2: she was a victim of lifelong abuse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And when you look at the photos, the
Speaker 1: crime scene photos, I have the length for them posted
Speaker 1: in the gross room as well, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: disturbing to see just I mean, obviously you see the
Speaker 1: mom dead or whatever, but just just there's pictures of
Speaker 1: the entire house, the entire outside of the house, and
Speaker 1: when you look at the outside of the house, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just like a cute little suburban house. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what style of house she would call that.
Speaker 1: I think it's a rancher honestly, but it's painted nice
Speaker 1: and it's it looks like it's in like a suburb, right.
Speaker 1: And then when you go inside, it's weird because I
Speaker 1: feel like it looks like the mom spent the time
Speaker 1: to decorate the house. I mean, it's corny, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, she painted every room and did decorations to
Speaker 1: match and this, that and the other, and then you
Speaker 1: look around and it's just a complete hoarded mess. To
Speaker 1: think that that anybody was even living at I.
Speaker 2: Don't think she took the time to decorate and painted.
Speaker 2: They got the house donated by habitat for Humanity, which
Speaker 2: later came up as this really big deal because obviously
Speaker 2: the whole thing was fraudulent, right, So oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2: So so Habitat for Humanity. They come and build you
Speaker 2: the entire they give you like a I don't really
Speaker 2: know exactly what they do, but yeah, I mean they got.
Speaker 1: That because she was sick. They that's how they got.
Speaker 2: They got the house as a charitable donation because everybody
Speaker 2: thought that she was sick. So that was I mean,
Speaker 2: if the mom hadn't died, she I think eventually would
Speaker 2: have gotten in trouble for like fraud and all of
Speaker 2: that stuff too, because she was fraudulently getting money and
Speaker 2: going on like make a wish trips Disney World and
Speaker 2: then getting this house for free.
Speaker 1: And you know what, the most the most disturbing part
Speaker 1: of the Gypsy Rose case is that I understand that
Speaker 1: you can make up all these stories and have your
Speaker 1: friends in fact believe that your child sick. But how
Speaker 1: do you go to a medical doctor and tell them
Speaker 1: that your child's sick to the point where they give
Speaker 1: your child chemotherapy, yeah, and the FU tube and yes,
Speaker 1: like without any evidence to back that up. I just
Speaker 1: don't I don't understand how that even happened. And I was,
Speaker 1: you know, when I was rereading about this case yesterday,
Speaker 1: I was just like, are they doing any kind of
Speaker 1: investigation on these medical doctors that perform these procedures on
Speaker 1: this kid? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'm certainly not defending them. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: from what I know about the case, it seems like
Speaker 2: when people started question her, that's when she would start
Speaker 2: going to new doctors, and then the mom was forging
Speaker 2: paperwork and documents and all of that stuff. So like
Speaker 2: I think today there's a lot more of a digital
Speaker 2: presence with records. I don't know about ten fifteen years
Speaker 2: ago when this was going on, how she was able
Speaker 2: to do it, but she clearly was able to do
Speaker 2: it in some capacity I on for twenty years.
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't wrap my brain around just
Speaker 1: going to an oncologist for a child and them not
Speaker 1: having blood work and all the other testing to support
Speaker 1: whatever diagnosis she has. Even if you're gone, especially if
Speaker 1: you're going to a new doctor and they don't know
Speaker 1: anything about it, I don't think they're just gonna take
Speaker 1: like a handout of some paperwork as proof and start
Speaker 1: a drug like that. Like it just it seems so
Speaker 1: irresponsible to me that the system failed this kid on
Speaker 1: multiple levels, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because this story to me sounds like
Speaker 2: you can just go to the oncologist and be like, well,
Speaker 2: the last doctor told me I have cancer, so what
Speaker 2: are we gonna do now, and then they just don't check.
Speaker 2: They're not like, well, where's your test results and where's
Speaker 2: all this and how did it go down and everything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, this this lady got stabbed death in like twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago, no, I mean, that's why
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, no, Like I was definitely working
Speaker 1: in the hospital then, and there was definitely electronic records,
Speaker 1: and I just don't, I don't, I don't understand, and
Speaker 1: I really haven't heard much about that, and I'm curious
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, clearly this is exposing these huge flaws
Speaker 2: in the system, right, because how could this even go
Speaker 2: on for so long? I mean, I think I think
Speaker 2: Gypsy was about twenty when she figured it out, So
Speaker 2: the mom died in twenty fifteen. I think Gypsy roses
Speaker 2: Ricky's age, So I think she's like thirty one or
Speaker 2: thirty two. No, she just turned thirty three. Thish, Okay,
Speaker 2: so she's thirty three. So this crime happened when she
Speaker 2: was in her early twenties. But I think even when
Speaker 2: the crime occurred, her mom told her she was sixteen
Speaker 2: or something, but she was really twenty one or twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like the abuse was clearly documented, and
Speaker 1: I think she was completely justified honestly to I mean,
Speaker 1: she you shouldn't ever kill somebody, but like if there
Speaker 1: was ever a reason too, this would certainly be it.
Speaker 1: Anything that has to do with child abuse is like
Speaker 1: fair game as far as I'm concerned. But yeah, that shit,
Speaker 1: that whole case is just is insane. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: could see maybe like the feeding tube, because if the
Speaker 1: kid was on some kind of lots of different medications
Speaker 1: that they weren't able to get nutrition that they need,
Speaker 1: and the kid wasn't gaining weight and was and was
Speaker 1: losing weight and not thriving, I could see them giving
Speaker 1: a feeding tube. But I feel like all the other
Speaker 1: stuff before it, I don't know, it's just it's very
Speaker 1: weird to me.
Speaker 2: All Right, let's get into this next one called vehicle homicide.
Speaker 2: So that title might be confusing for everybody.
Speaker 1: To get there.
Speaker 2: So this sixty year old man was just riding his
Speaker 2: bike and he got hit by a car. So you
Speaker 2: would think, you know, maybe he would be the victim
Speaker 2: in this situation, in dying from this, but no, he
Speaker 2: flew off the bike and hit another woman that was
Speaker 2: just innostantly eating lunch outside and she died. So essentially
Speaker 2: she got killed by a car without the car ever
Speaker 2: even touching her.
Speaker 1: You know this. I was when we were reading about
Speaker 1: this case this morning, I thought this could have totally happened,
Speaker 1: just happened in Philly. I don't know if you heard
Speaker 1: about that doctor that worked at Chopp that got kept
Speaker 1: by a carrible. It was horrible. She was riding a
Speaker 1: young I think she was a resident or a chief
Speaker 1: resident of oncology, I believe, and she was riding her
Speaker 1: bike to Children's hospital and she got hit by a
Speaker 1: car like really bad and was flipped up in the
Speaker 1: air and thrown some feet away. And it's like the
Speaker 1: same exact thing could have happened if it was and
Speaker 1: it was right in Brittenhouse, I believe, right, wasn't it
Speaker 1: right around there where there's lots of restaurants where people
Speaker 1: are sitting and eating outside, and I think that nobody
Speaker 1: even thinks about that. When you're sitting next to like
Speaker 1: a semi busy street where cars can drive really fast,
Speaker 1: that's something like this could happen, and it's the ultimate
Speaker 1: definition of a freak accident. But in this case, the
Speaker 1: the bicyclist was essentially flung into her body and it
Speaker 1: caused her to get what was called the ring fracture
Speaker 1: of the skull, which is when you know, if you
Speaker 1: look at a skull and you see that giant hole
Speaker 1: at the bottom.
Speaker 2: Sure, do you ever like another one?
Speaker 1: But well yeah, they just they even have them in
Speaker 1: fake ones sometimes for like Halloween and stuff. But that's
Speaker 1: the forame and magnum, and that's where your spinal cord
Speaker 1: comes up and enters your brain. Right. Well, when you
Speaker 1: have a fracture around there, it's like your skull kind
Speaker 1: of separates from that ring around your spinal canal and
Speaker 1: it caught. That's what happened with her. Like it's a
Speaker 1: really really bad fracture and it's usually fatal. But they
Speaker 1: think that those kinds of fractures usually happened from like
Speaker 1: hyper extensions. So the guy like crashed into her face
Speaker 1: and shoulder so hard that it like kind of ripped
Speaker 1: her neck off of her skull kind of. I'm just
Speaker 1: it's it's so terrible.
Speaker 2: How could like, of course, this is a freaking accident,
Speaker 2: because how could you prevent this in any way. I mean,
Speaker 2: the car hits you, and you're on a bike, so
Speaker 2: you're kind of not in control over you're landing right,
Speaker 2: So there's no there's nothing this guy could have even
Speaker 2: done to try to avoid hitting her. It just goes
Speaker 2: down so fast.
Speaker 1: No, and the it's it's weird too. I thought that
Speaker 1: in this report they didn't say what happened to the bicyclist.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he survived. I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened with him. But yeah, just imagine surviving something like
Speaker 1: that and then knowing that you kill the person well
Speaker 1: your body, you know, I know it's not your fault,
Speaker 1: but you still feel terrible about that. I suppose, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I wonder does the driver then get in trouble
Speaker 1: for that woman's death? Oh yes? If? Well, the thing
Speaker 1: is is if if it's just like an if it
Speaker 1: was an innocent accident, you know, everything has to do
Speaker 1: with what the circumstances are surrounding it. So if it
Speaker 1: was an innocent accident, like, no, it was an accident, right,
Speaker 1: But if the person was drunk, then yeah they will
Speaker 1: they will absolutely get charged with vehicular homicide in that case,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Yeah, I mean, and they should.
Speaker 2: Like it just sucks because you can't not eat outside
Speaker 2: because like this is because it's awesome. I love eating
Speaker 2: outside is awesome. But you know this is this doesn't
Speaker 2: happen often, right, which is why we're interested in talking
Speaker 2: about it. But it definitely is scary to just think about.
Speaker 2: Like you could just be trilling on the sidewalk, eating
Speaker 2: a salad or whatever, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: this this had to go down in less than ten seconds, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, it just has to be so fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the lady literally died in the seat
Speaker 1: at the cafe she was eating it like it just
Speaker 1: was that quick. Yeah, which I guess is good that
Speaker 1: she died fast. And I mean, like clearly she didn't
Speaker 1: even know what was happening, like it happened so fast.
Speaker 1: But imagine the person that was eating lunch with her outside, right, well.
Speaker 2: That everybody watching, Like you're saying it's it obviously is
Speaker 2: absolutely horrific that she died, but at least it was
Speaker 2: it was quick and she didn't have to suffer for
Speaker 2: weeks and then die, so it.
Speaker 1: You know what, That's actually a good question I have
Speaker 1: for the listeners, Like that would be interesting for this
Speaker 1: six Shocking Stories is if you've ever witnessed someone die
Speaker 1: like right in front of you. Obviously, I feel like
Speaker 1: the most common thing is you see somebody have like
Speaker 1: a cardiac event or something like that, but like something
Speaker 1: more crazy that you were just you were just kind
Speaker 1: of sitting there, just hanging out, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, something like terrible happened in front of you.
Speaker 1: We love to hear those stories. Yeah, I mean, has
Speaker 1: that ever happened to you? Yes? Actually, when I was
Speaker 1: working in the city at a hospital, I was in
Speaker 1: Blue Steel's office, which was on the corner of a
Speaker 1: busy city street, and a guy who was working on
Speaker 1: the windows like fell to his death, like right by
Speaker 1: the window outside. I mean he fell right in front
Speaker 1: of the emergency You saw him fall? Oh oh yeah.
Speaker 1: We were in his office just like talking and then
Speaker 1: we saw something go by and like looked out the
Speaker 1: window and it was the guy was laying on the
Speaker 1: ground with like blood coming from his head, and if
Speaker 1: anywhere you're going to have a horrible accident, I mean
Speaker 1: he was right outside of the emergency room of a
Speaker 1: Level one trauma center and they couldn't save him because
Speaker 1: that's how bad it was. But that that was, like,
Speaker 1: that was really really sad when I saw that. I
Speaker 1: can't really think of anything else off the top of
Speaker 1: my head. Probably I would say not if I can't remember,
Speaker 1: because that's something that is really horrible, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when I was I feel like when
Speaker 2: I was maybe I was around Lillian's age, like eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve. My aunt and uncle live in DC, so
Speaker 2: we were driving down to go visit them, and we
Speaker 2: stopped at the Maryland House rest up and I saw
Speaker 2: a guy have a heart attack there and he was
Speaker 2: there with his daughter who was my age, and he
Speaker 2: died there. So yeah, I remember that you were like
Speaker 2: really traumatized by that. Well, yeah, because it's not only
Speaker 2: horrible to see somebody die like that, but then I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: what's happening to this kid?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They were on like a drive together, right, so what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen? To her.
Speaker 1: Now, I also feel like in those situations, it's like,
Speaker 1: is there anybody that's really there? Like, I know they're
Speaker 1: trying to pay attention to the guy that's sick, but
Speaker 1: is there anybody there that's like trying to comfort a
Speaker 1: child at all in a situation like that. Like, the
Speaker 1: whole thing was eerie.
Speaker 2: I mean, her screaming, everybody just you know, gawking and
Speaker 2: not doing anything to help the situation just classic. I
Speaker 2: mean if this was now, it would be somebody taking
Speaker 2: their camera out and videoing it and putting it on TikTok. Right,
Speaker 2: So the whole thing was disturbing. I mean, honestly that
Speaker 2: it was just such. It was just such a dark
Speaker 2: moment that I didn't go back there for a very
Speaker 2: long time. Like I actively asked every time we drive
Speaker 2: to DC, can we please not stop there, because it
Speaker 2: just was this horrible memory I.
Speaker 1: Had associated with.
Speaker 2: But I think I went there in more recent years.
Speaker 2: But it's it's horrible to see something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine seeing something like this going down.
Speaker 2: Just I don't know, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see any of these stories going
Speaker 1: down me neither, especially this next one. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, obviously, rect old farm bodies are no
Speaker 2: stranger to this show. I mean we're talking about them
Speaker 2: all all the time. We could talk about one every episode.
Speaker 2: That's different because it happens so often. We can honestly
Speaker 2: probably have an entire spinoff podcast where we have people
Speaker 2: write it. I mean, this is the most submissions we
Speaker 2: get is about stuff like this, right, and we're just
Speaker 2: talking about it all the time. It's always in the news.
Speaker 2: I mean we can literally it never gets old. We
Speaker 2: can have an entire show just talking about things. People
Speaker 2: stick up their butts.
Speaker 1: It's thing. Men stuck stick up their butts. It's always
Speaker 1: a dude.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was interesting because when you wrote
Speaker 2: this up you were saying that, you know, I found
Speaker 2: it interesting. You were pointing out that men in particular
Speaker 2: sometimes women too, instead of just buying a vibrator or
Speaker 2: something because they're embarrassed, they're always just finding these miscellaneous,
Speaker 2: like cylindrical shaped items around their house instead of just like,
Speaker 2: why can't especially with the internet, why can't you just
Speaker 2: buy something on Amazon and have it shifted to your house? Right?
Speaker 2: It comes in?
Speaker 1: God, could you imagine how much worse. This was like
Speaker 1: back in the day before the Internet. No, I really
Speaker 1: I think about that all the time because like even
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, there was no Internet when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and it's like, if you wanted to get a sex
Speaker 1: toy or something, you had to go to like South
Speaker 1: Street to Condemn Kingdom or something like that. Like you
Speaker 1: couldn't just order one and have it like from Amazon
Speaker 1: and have it delivered to your house.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So what especially guys that are like embarrassed with that stuff,
Speaker 1: like they're they're definitely going to be using stuff around
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, even though like people are so much
Speaker 2: more open about sexuality and stuff today. A couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, I was working on a project and I
Speaker 2: had to go to a sex shop in Philly to
Speaker 2: buy the specialized underwear for somebody on this project that
Speaker 2: was working on and I ran into somebody I went
Speaker 2: to high school with, and I'm not gonna lie, it
Speaker 2: was awkward because it's like, oh, and I'm like I'm
Speaker 2: here for work. Yeah, so I'm not embarrassed.
Speaker 1: There's like nothing else you can buy there. It's not
Speaker 1: like you were like, oh, I just had to stop
Speaker 1: and get milk and like that's why I'm here, Like
Speaker 1: there's only one reason why you're there, even for me.
Speaker 2: I'm like whatever, I guess I could remove myself from
Speaker 2: embarrassment because I'm like, I'm I am not buying something
Speaker 2: for myself. I'm buying something for work. Not that that
Speaker 2: person knew that, but walking into a really tiny sex
Speaker 2: shop and seeing somebody you knew in high school that
Speaker 2: you actually kind of barely knew shopping for dildos is
Speaker 2: kind of really awkward and you just like head nod,
Speaker 2: like I know you, but we're not talking right now.
Speaker 1: This is just so weird.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so this in France, this is a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, and this this eighty eight year old
Speaker 2: guy shows up to the emergency room and you know,
Speaker 2: he has he has a rectal farm body, and you know,
Speaker 2: typically they see shampoo, bottles, cucumbers a pair, as we've
Speaker 2: discussed before. No, this guy had a bomb up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had an arterial shell up there. So I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent certain what an arterior shell is,
Speaker 1: but I think that they can be lots of different things.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of under the assumption that it's almost like
Speaker 1: a shotgun shell just like really big that it's a
Speaker 1: shell that's filled with ammo that has to be fired
Speaker 1: from like a tank or something. Okay, so I personally
Speaker 1: feel like that thing just by itself is it's just
Speaker 1: like holding a shotgun ammunition, Like it's not going to
Speaker 1: do anything without being it needs some kind of source
Speaker 1: of of of flame to get it going.
Speaker 2: So it's not even like a grenade where you could
Speaker 2: just but I don't know, but I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know because like this is from World it ended up
Speaker 2: being from World War One. Yeah, so it's that old
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I just really don't know enough
Speaker 2: about like army stuff or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: that I don't know that that thing just sitting there
Speaker 2: is dangerous. And then also you have so you could
Speaker 2: have one that was already kind of like it's inert
Speaker 2: now it's not of a danger, it was already shot
Speaker 2: or it's just I don't know that they have a
Speaker 2: way to disarm it somehow, And then you have ones
Speaker 2: that are active. I mean, you do hear that certain
Speaker 2: things killed like from old wars kill people from time
Speaker 2: to time that was like in somebody's basement or something.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's referring to like a grenade,
Speaker 2: because that they're the ones I consider different, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: you pull the pin.
Speaker 1: Out and then the thing could explode. I don't know
Speaker 1: if these things can do that.
Speaker 2: Well the emergency regardless, you didn't know that, well, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: Like if I was working in the hospital and got
Speaker 2: some shit like that, I'd be like, Yo, maybe we
Speaker 2: should call somebody that knows a little bit about this
Speaker 2: to check this out. Yeah, So they had to call
Speaker 2: a bomb squad to come in before they were able
Speaker 2: to remove this thing from the guide and make sure.
Speaker 2: You know, they weren't going to take it out and
Speaker 2: it wasn't gonna blow everybody up.
Speaker 1: So and this is this is like some of the
Speaker 1: struggles of the people in the bomb squad. I'm sure
Speaker 1: this was a first for them. But they go in
Speaker 1: and they're you have to remember, like they're looking at
Speaker 1: this thing through imaging because they can't look at the
Speaker 1: actual thing because it's inside the guy's body. So they're
Speaker 1: looking at this thing through like an X ray or
Speaker 1: something to determine what it is and if it's dangerous
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 2: Just went down, So they see this when you see
Speaker 2: pictures of it. It's just kind of like this metal
Speaker 2: like cylindrical shell. Right, So if they're looking at this
Speaker 2: on imaging, they can't really tell from what it is
Speaker 2: exactly because they're just seeing the shape of it essentially,
Speaker 2: So are they seeing it and they're asking him what
Speaker 2: it is and he tells them it's.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, probably, I mean the thing. Let's just talk
Speaker 1: about the size of this thing. It's eight inches long,
Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, approaching the size of a ruler,
Speaker 1: and it is more than two inches thick, So this
Speaker 1: thing is freakin' it's big. It's big, so they know
Speaker 1: it's they know it's something like, it's something that's not right,
Speaker 1: so they will say like what is this? And I'm
Speaker 1: sure they ask patients that all the time, even if
Speaker 1: they see a shampoo bottle or whatever, because they want
Speaker 1: to make sure because we have cases in the gross
Speaker 1: room too of people that like put items that are
Speaker 1: glass up there, and then that's a risk to the
Speaker 1: surgeon if something like that breaks. It's not like everything's
Speaker 1: this nice plastic easy thing to get out, and they
Speaker 1: want to know not only that if it's glass, that
Speaker 1: could cut the patient too, and they're pulling it out,
Speaker 1: like they just want to know what it is so
Speaker 1: they know what they're dealing with. This guy's eighty eight
Speaker 1: years old, Okay, eighty eight years old, and he has
Speaker 1: this thing up his butt that's this big. Like he's
Speaker 1: been doing this a long time, and this might have
Speaker 1: been his friend for a very very long time before
Speaker 1: the internet even existed. Like think about this, Like this
Speaker 1: guy didn't just like wake up at eighty eight years
Speaker 1: old and say like, hey, let me try this. I
Speaker 1: have this thing hanging around, Like you can't get something
Speaker 1: that big up there without like working at it a while.
Speaker 2: He was using this for a while, but this was
Speaker 2: the first time it got stuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he was using other stuff and gradually got
Speaker 1: up to that level. Like it just would be very
Speaker 1: for sexual you're doing it for sexual pleasure to feel good.
Speaker 1: Like I guess in theory, you could get that thing
Speaker 1: up there on the first try, but like it definitely
Speaker 1: wouldn't feel good and nobody would would want to do that.
Speaker 1: So I feel like he started smaller and like gradually
Speaker 1: worked his way up to that thing.
Speaker 2: I also feel like it's kind of irresponsible to take
Speaker 2: a hundred year old piece of metal that's like rusty
Speaker 2: and put it into either of your body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who knows. Who knows what the guy
Speaker 1: was thinking and he could have been completely out of
Speaker 1: his mind, who knows. But I just think about like
Speaker 1: the bomb squad getting called for that and then going
Speaker 1: in and then they determined that it was like a
Speaker 1: low probability that it would explode inside of his body.
Speaker 1: And do you think do you think they just said
Speaker 1: that because they were like, yeah, we're we don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about this anymore and we don't want to
Speaker 1: be in this situation anymore, because like surgeas is like
Speaker 1: totally normal, like they take things out of people's bots
Speaker 1: all the time, but like you're just the bomb squad
Speaker 1: person that's used to checking like something in a suspicious backpack,
Speaker 1: like not not going to the hospital and thinking about
Speaker 1: something in some old guy's ass, right, Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2: Was really thinking about this because yesterday we wrote about
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Olympic bombing. So last night I watched the
Speaker 2: movie Richard Jewel that Clint Eastwood made, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: I was like blubbering crying the entire time.
Speaker 1: It was so sad. That's so terrible.
Speaker 2: But I was thinking about in the movie when they
Speaker 2: showed the bomb squad checking out the backpack. How you know,
Speaker 2: all they have to do is kind of like get
Speaker 2: down to the flash it opened the flaps of a backpack.
Speaker 2: Now assessed the rectum of an eighty eight year old
Speaker 2: man and try to determine if the thing he stuck
Speaker 2: up his butt willingly.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure they that they got anywhere near
Speaker 1: the patient, honestly, because there's nothing like from the average
Speaker 1: person walking into an operating room. There's nothing that they
Speaker 1: were going to be able to look at to determine
Speaker 1: if it was if it was volatile or not. Like
Speaker 1: it's just they had to just look, like do it
Speaker 1: based on imaging. So maybe they just like pulled them
Speaker 1: in a room in the hospital and were like, look
Speaker 1: at this, because like looking at the guy isn't going
Speaker 1: to do anything. And in this case, the thing was
Speaker 1: so big, like there was no way they were getting
Speaker 1: that out through his anus, So they had to cut
Speaker 1: open an incision on his abdomen and go in through
Speaker 1: the inside, cut his rectum open and take it out
Speaker 1: that way. And he I mean, they said that he
Speaker 1: was expected to heal and I mean, you're eighty eight
Speaker 1: and you're getting colon surgery and he'll be fine, I guess.
Speaker 2: But do you think he'll get in trouble because the
Speaker 2: emergency room had to be evacuated in the inconvenience that caused.
Speaker 2: I mean we're like, do you I mean, I think
Speaker 2: people can legally own things like this.
Speaker 1: It's war memory. I don't don't get in trouble. I mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn't intentionally trying to hurt people, like it just
Speaker 1: was like and like I said, like he could have
Speaker 1: been doing this for years and just never had an
Speaker 1: issue and just didn't think anything of it. Like I
Speaker 1: don't think he was. It's not like he went in
Speaker 1: and was like I have something that can explode in
Speaker 1: my orifice and like like trying to start like a
Speaker 1: terroristic act or something.
Speaker 2: I mean kind of the most surprising start part of
Speaker 2: this story for me was that an eighty eight year
Speaker 2: old man was this sexually active.
Speaker 1: No I get. I'm telling you. The very first, the
Speaker 1: very first rectal foreign body I got before I even
Speaker 1: understood what was happening, was I got a traveled toothbrush
Speaker 1: holder on a seventy eight year old man and I
Speaker 1: was just so blown away, like I couldn't understand. It
Speaker 1: was covered in poop and it was just nasty. And
Speaker 1: then when I went to talk to one of the
Speaker 1: pathologist about it, he was the one that sat me
Speaker 1: down and was just like, oh no, it's always men
Speaker 1: and this is why.
Speaker 2: And I was like, they were like eve, little Nicole, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly that, yes, exactly, And.
Speaker 2: They sure were opened after that, and then you got
Speaker 2: twenty five more that month because you worked at a
Speaker 2: huge hospital.
Speaker 1: And yes, I mean it doesn't matter what hospital I
Speaker 1: ever worked at. It's it's a community hospital, large hospital.
Speaker 1: You still get like everybody's the same all over, which
Speaker 1: is amazing. You know, like guys like butt pleasure in
Speaker 1: the burbs and they like it in the big city too.
Speaker 2: So I think the moral of this story is the
Speaker 2: Internet exists. There's you know, cardboard boxes from Amazon. Just
Speaker 2: order a dildo that's designed for this online instead of
Speaker 2: miscellaneous items, especially not weaponry, because not only are you
Speaker 2: hurting yourself, but you're freaking everybody around you out so chilling.
Speaker 1: And this this post is called as long as it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a dick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, And it's true all right. Our last one
Speaker 2: is called your garden can Kill You. And this one
Speaker 2: really worries me about you because every day when I
Speaker 2: get to your house, you're out there doing some type
Speaker 2: of gardening and you're always wearing you know, you're kind
Speaker 2: of turning into momm with your inappropriate shoe wearing situation.
Speaker 2: We always make fun of Mama because she's wearing sandals
Speaker 2: always and she falls in them because she's wearing them
Speaker 2: not in correct situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be going We'll be going somewhere with my mom,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Disney World's somewhere that you need
Speaker 1: to walk a lot in one day. And she'll come
Speaker 1: over with like wedge sandals on or something, and we're
Speaker 1: just like we have to tell her, like she's a child,
Speaker 1: like are you gonna be comfortable walking in those shoes
Speaker 1: all day? Is there a chance you could get blisters?
Speaker 1: Or like I feel like I say that to the
Speaker 1: children before we go on a hike or something like
Speaker 1: let's make sure you put on something that's like not
Speaker 1: gonna give you blisters, and it's it's gonna protect your feet.
Speaker 1: Like but third nine and eleven, like she's she's like
Speaker 1: an old lady, and we still have to have this
Speaker 1: talk with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I even saw over the weekend at the
Speaker 2: cabin that you were wearing sandals when you were going
Speaker 2: down those stones, which.
Speaker 1: Are not easy to walk down, by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was getting ready to go stand
Speaker 1: in the creek. I wanted to have like bare feet.
Speaker 1: But what if you trip?
Speaker 2: This is my point, Like you came over my house
Speaker 2: with a balisio. You were being very nice, good mom, putting
Speaker 2: a wallpaper for me by my back door, and you're
Speaker 2: wearing rubber slides on a ladder, which is dangerous too.
Speaker 2: I'm getting worried about your shoe heabits. I think you're
Speaker 2: turning into bed.
Speaker 1: I will well, Yeah, I guess I do that outside
Speaker 1: all the time because they're like my comfortable shoes, and
Speaker 1: my feet get wet when I'm gardening and stuff. So
Speaker 1: I just don't want to have like that gross wet
Speaker 1: sock feeling.
Speaker 2: Well, this is why this worries me, because in this story,
Speaker 2: this guy was on a ladder, just doing gardening like
Speaker 2: you do every day, and he slipped and fell, and
Speaker 2: he fell on this aluminum steak that was holding up
Speaker 2: his tomato plant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when they arrived at the scene, this guy
Speaker 1: has literally has been impelled by an aluminum steak through
Speaker 1: his chest and he's dead, laying on the ground in
Speaker 1: front of his tomato plants. And there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: other tomato plants with similar aluminum steaks, and he's laying
Speaker 1: on the ground right next to a ladder. So it
Speaker 1: was clear that that is what happened when they did
Speaker 1: the investigation and everything, and when they did the autopsy,
Speaker 1: they found that it went through his left chest and
Speaker 1: it punctured his lung, and it punctured his A order
Speaker 1: and it was eleven inches or twenty seven centimeters deep
Speaker 1: into his body. Like it just it impelled him, that's
Speaker 1: what happened. And when it went through the A order,
Speaker 1: you know, it just caused him to have a massive
Speaker 1: internal bleeding and that's how he died blood to death.
Speaker 2: I saw in the autopsy photos that the steak was
Speaker 2: still in him when they were dissecting him. Why did
Speaker 2: they leave it in?
Speaker 1: Well, they want because if you have a person and
Speaker 1: we lay them down and they have the steak inside
Speaker 1: of their chest and then we take it out, then
Speaker 1: you're not really going to be able to see as
Speaker 1: much of like where it went, where it landed, the
Speaker 1: damage that was done. We typically when we do an autopsy,
Speaker 1: even when we're trying to check like the medical interventions
Speaker 1: that a person had, like if they had like a
Speaker 1: trake tube or something like that, Like we don't take
Speaker 1: anything out until we open them up and see where
Speaker 1: it is, because otherwise you can't tell like what if
Speaker 1: that thing like went in and kind of like I
Speaker 1: don't know, missed his heart and he really just had
Speaker 1: a heart attack and fell and that was just like
Speaker 1: it just so happened it like second, yeah, which I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still I guess it's still possible that the guy
Speaker 1: had a heart attack and fell. But what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is like that's they do that all the time, Like
Speaker 1: you don't want to pull something out just because you
Speaker 1: want to see the track. And it's cool in the
Speaker 1: autopsy photos that you could see like a side view
Speaker 1: that they show you how it went through the skin
Speaker 1: and like exactly like the track it went to and
Speaker 1: what killed him. But honestly, like if they pulled it out,
Speaker 1: it would have been obvious that his aorta got punctured
Speaker 1: and was bleeding all over the place, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter. But sometimes they just do that for effect,
Speaker 1: for photos or just documentation purposes. Yeah, I was just.
Speaker 2: Trying to think about how they transported that person from
Speaker 2: where they found them to the morgue without having any
Speaker 2: issues of it falling.
Speaker 1: Out because it was stuck in there. It looked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that happens sometimes too, Like think about we
Speaker 1: have a lot of cases in the grocer room too,
Speaker 1: of like people, we have one case I was thinking
Speaker 1: about talking about, like you know those trucks that like
Speaker 1: carry timber, like those things like sometimes the big piece
Speaker 1: of timber, like a giant tree trunk basically like can
Speaker 1: slide and go through someone's chest and they're still alive
Speaker 1: and survive the accident. So usually or anytime somebody's impelled
Speaker 1: with something like the first responders are cut off as
Speaker 1: much of it as they can and still leave it
Speaker 1: in place. And especially when a person's alive, you have
Speaker 1: to transfer them to the hospital because once you pull
Speaker 1: it out like that thing could be like plugging blood
Speaker 1: from pouring out of one of their vessels, So you
Speaker 1: really have to leave it in there and transport people
Speaker 1: like that like all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's kind of crazy. I just never
Speaker 2: thought about. I mean, the pictures for me were compelling
Speaker 2: because it was still inside of him. So I'm just
Speaker 2: thinking about everybody involved that has to work to preserve
Speaker 2: that being in his body and transport it without it
Speaker 2: causing issues.
Speaker 1: Well, especially in a case like this, Like, like it's
Speaker 1: clear just looking at it that it's that it was
Speaker 1: probably an accident, But like, how do you know that
Speaker 1: he didn't get into a fight and some guy came
Speaker 1: up and grabbed the steak and like stabbed it into
Speaker 1: his chest and yeah, while he was gardening. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's totally a possibility. So with their investigation and stuff,
Speaker 1: they determined that that was what happened because he didn't
Speaker 1: have any evidence of a struggle or anything like that.
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