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Speaker 1: we're sharing the story of a woman we're going to

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Speaker 1: call Lucy. She grew up in Puerto Rico with her

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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico is an amazing place. People are super friendly,

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Speaker 2: ads like everybody's family, and you feel absolutely welcomed.

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Speaker 1: Lucy grew up with three brothers and they were really close.

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Speaker 2: I really tried to be up to their standards in

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Speaker 1: Lucy is tall and strikingly beautiful. When she was fifteen

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Speaker 2: Runways, commercials TV. But you know, I always kept this

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Speaker 1: School was her top priority.

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Speaker 2: I always had very high standards and I accomplished them.

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Speaker 2: I graduated almost four point average in high school.

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Speaker 1: She excelled in college as well. After graduating, she built

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Speaker 2: I met a lot of very interesting people. I used

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Speaker 1: In her mid thirties, Lucy was in a long term relationship.

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Speaker 1: She and her boyfriend had been dating for eight years.

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Speaker 1: One night, Lucy was out at a party when a

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Speaker 1: Ellie was bold to be announcing his crush on her.

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Speaker 1: After all, Lucy was dating someone and Ellie was too.

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Speaker 1: But she kept seeing Ellie around, and over time he

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Speaker 1: Eventually, Lucy and her long term boyfriend broke up, and

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Speaker 1: Eli was a romantic. He pulled out all the stops

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Speaker 1: They made their relationship official.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning, I just let everything flow and you know,

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Speaker 2: He spoke four languages, he was well read. He was

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Speaker 1: The feeling was mutual. Ellie admired Lucy's intelligence, ambition and

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Speaker 2: He would call all his friends to tell him, no,

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Speaker 1: They made a great pair. Over time, their relationship became

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Speaker 2: Knee asking me to marry him. Oh my god, it

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Speaker 1: Back in Puerto Rico, Lucy and Ellie moved in together,

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Speaker 2: In this beautiful hotel in Puerto Rico. We really had

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Speaker 1: Lucy decided to put her career on hold and spend

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Speaker 2: I never imagined I was going to be a housewife,

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Speaker 1: Ellie worked hard to provide for their family.

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Speaker 2: He worked for a oil company and the company was

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Speaker 2: He never got too used to our culture. We are

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Speaker 1: As time went on, Ellie started having more and more

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Speaker 2: He started buying properties with business partners, and he also

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Speaker 1: They were happy, but Ellie dreamed of moving somewhere new.

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Speaker 1: When their first child was a year old, the timing

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Speaker 1: was finally right. Ellie could work remotely, and Lucy was

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Speaker 2: It was a kind of a high class community, which

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Speaker 2: I didn't know when I bought the house. How prestigious

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Speaker 1: They moved to a gated waterfront community. We're not naming

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Speaker 1: this community for Lucy's privacy, but it was an exclusive

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Speaker 2: It was a wonderful pregnancy at forty three years old. Remember,

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Speaker 2: Ellie was still administrating the old company in Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 1: Within their marriage, Lucy and Ellie each had their own domain.

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Speaker 2: He would work, I would do rest everything else. Regarding

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Speaker 1: They gave each other a lot of space and trusted

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Speaker 1: Lucy didn't need to know the details to see the

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Speaker 1: big picture. They were very lucky. They'd been happily married

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Speaker 1: for twenty years and their kids were teenagers now. They

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Speaker 2: Our lifestyle was so wonderful when I was thinking, I

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Speaker 2: have so much more than what I need. We traveled

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Speaker 2: a lot. We ended up buying a beach house. We

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Speaker 2: decided for many years to spend Christmas in Paris with

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Speaker 2: There was no reason for me to think that things

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Speaker 1: Lucy and her husband Ellie, built an impressive life together.

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Speaker 1: They lived in a beautiful house, had two kids, and

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Speaker 2: Our lifestyle was so wonderful and every time we travel

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Speaker 2: We were happy, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, we were happy for twenty years. Their marriage was

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Speaker 1: a dream. But when Ellie turned sixty, Lucy started noticing

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Speaker 2: It was more touchy, freely than he was. He started

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Speaker 2: And he said, you know something. You are not necessary,

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Speaker 1: They both looked at Ellie, waiting for an explanation. He

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Speaker 2: Them and he said, I have been kidnapped. And I

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, their living room became Ellie's confessional.

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Speaker 2: I have dated a few women. I would see them

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Speaker 2: Her husband knows that she's an escort. He manages her.

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Speaker 1: Ellie would meet Anna in different places, sometimes in hotel rooms,

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Speaker 2: Anna told Ellie to meet her in an apartment that

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Speaker 1: Ellie told Lucy how shocked he was in that moment,

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Speaker 1: Once Ellie was inside, Anna's husband closed the door and

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Speaker 2: He wanted Ellie to see that he was serious. He

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Speaker 2: Anna's husband would put the camera in front of the

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Speaker 2: This is where you have to concentrate, and then he

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Speaker 1: Now, Anna and her husband were threatening to release these tapes.

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Speaker 1: If Ellie did not comply with their demands.

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Speaker 2: You have to give me one million dollars cash and

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Speaker 1: If his reputation wasn't enough, Anna and her husband had

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Speaker 2: Anna's husband showed Ellie pictures of my children, pictures of

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Speaker 1: Anna's husband held Ellie in the apartment for a few

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how to act. This was like from

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Speaker 1: Collapsed, Lucy's husband, Ellie, sat her down and told her

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Speaker 2: That day, my life collapsed.

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Speaker 1: She thought her husband of twenty years was an honest

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Speaker 1: was forced to tell her the truth. For years, he'd

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Speaker 1: if Ellie didn't give them what they wanted, which was

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Speaker 2: It was such a shock. My world crashed, and but

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Speaker 2: I didn't know who to call. I didn't know who

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Speaker 1: Her immediate reaction was to make sure the kids were safe.

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Speaker 2: There was a clear sign that we're watching us. We

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Speaker 1: Ellie came clean about the time someone keyed his Bentley.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a random act of vandalism, and he'd known it.

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Speaker 2: Evidently that was Anna's husband and his friends.

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Speaker 1: That call she'd gotten in the middle of the night

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Speaker 1: It was terrifying. Anna and her husband were three steps ahead,

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Speaker 1: She had to think fast and went into solution mode.

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Speaker 1: All the while Ellie seemed to shrink.

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Speaker 2: He was super scared. He has always me in a coward.

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Speaker 1: Lucy wanted protection right away, so she hired a private

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Speaker 2: I had an armed guard for twenty four hours in

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Speaker 1: What Anna and her husband were doing was a crime.

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Speaker 1: It was extortion. Despite how angry Lucy was, she worked

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Speaker 2: And he contacted the FBI, so the FBI took the case.

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Speaker 1: The FBI needed proof of the extortion, so they planned

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Speaker 2: And the FBI told them, make him believe that you're

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Speaker 1: The call went off without a hitch. Anda's husband gave

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Speaker 2: He said, you know, I'm going to give you a break.

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Speaker 2: Just give me the million dollars and you don't have

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Speaker 2: they sent SWAT to their apartment and they got them,

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Speaker 1: Authorities were able to charge Anna and her husband with

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Speaker 2: They charged him with extortion. Both of them went to jail.

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Speaker 2: He would never ever explain himself, talk about feelings, talk

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Speaker 2: He never said I'm sorry. He portrayed himself as the victim.

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Speaker 2: He told me, I am the victim of extortion. I'm

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Speaker 2: How can you live with yourself knowing that you crushed

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Speaker 1: As the shock of it all wore off, a new

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Speaker 2: I started questioning many many things. I felt, I leave

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Speaker 2: difficult thing to deal with, the betrayal of knowing that

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Speaker 1: Absolutely he's not Ellie had been meeting women from sugar

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Speaker 2: It's not like I'm talking about five years. Twenty one

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Speaker 1: Lucy realized that Anna and her husband weren't the only

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Speaker 1: threat to her safety. It was also Ellie.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what he was capable of doing.

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Speaker 2: The betrayals too much, too deep. It was hell. I

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Speaker 2: went through the motions of living. That's it. I could

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Speaker 2: hardly survive. I was just an entity walking around.

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Speaker 1: She emotionally disconnected from Ellie for weeks. He tried to

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Speaker 1: win her back with grand gestures, the kind he'd made

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of their relationship.

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Speaker 2: He promised me, I'll buy you an apartment in Madrid.

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Speaker 2: Let's move do He promised me the world.

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Speaker 1: But all the money in the world wouldn't fix it.

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Speaker 1: Lucy couldn't be bought. It was too late. There was

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Speaker 1: no coming back from this.

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Speaker 2: I kicked him out of the house. For him was

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Speaker 2: a shock that I left him. He never thought I

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Speaker 2: was going to leave.

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Speaker 1: Then Lucy filed for divorce. When Ellie saw that she

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Speaker 1: was serious about leaving, it was like a switch flipped.

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Speaker 1: She saw it in his eyes and heard it in

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Speaker 1: his voice.

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Speaker 2: He thought, I'm going to destroy this woman because she

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Speaker 2: left me and losing her when I'm going to destroy

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Speaker 2: her in the process.

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Speaker 1: After she filed for divorce, Ellie became vicious.

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Speaker 2: He started being super mean to me, and he would

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Speaker 2: blame me on everything. He declared war.

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Speaker 1: The man who promised her the world just a few

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Speaker 1: weeks earlier, began barrated and insulting Lucy every chance he got.

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Speaker 1: He told her, I don't even love you.

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Speaker 2: If you were the last woman that insisted in the world,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't even get close to you. That's how much

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Speaker 2: I dislike you.

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Speaker 1: Lucy thought his cruel remarks were as low as he

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Speaker 1: would go, but he was about to take his retaliation

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Speaker 1: a step further. One day, they got into an argument

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Speaker 1: on Lucy's front lawn. Ellie was escalating, becoming increasingly agitated

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Speaker 1: and getting in her personal space.

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Speaker 2: And he started talking to me with his finger in

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Speaker 2: my face, and I pushed him because he was on

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Speaker 2: my face. He said, you want to play with me?

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Speaker 2: You're going to see what suffering is. He called nine

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Speaker 2: one one, and nine one one came. They arrest me

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Speaker 2: for domestic violence.

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Speaker 1: Lucy remembers this moment vividly. Ellie watched, unfazed as she

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Speaker 1: was being handcuf.

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Speaker 2: They took me to jail. I was in jail for

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Speaker 2: three days, two nights. In jail.

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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, surrounded by strangers. She was too anxious

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Speaker 1: to eat or even use the bathroom. She waited there

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Speaker 1: until a friend was able to bail her out. Lucy

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Speaker 1: has since gotten the domestic violence charge expunged.

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Speaker 2: Narcissists I think that they enjoy making you suffer because

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Speaker 2: it makes them feel better. It makes them feel superior,

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Speaker 2: it makes them feel in control.

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Speaker 1: It was easy for him to pose as the victim

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Speaker 1: and paint her as the villain, and he made it

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Speaker 1: clear he was willing to do it again. A few

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Speaker 1: months later, it was time for Anna and her husband's

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Speaker 1: sentencing hearing. Lucy wanted to attend the hearing. She wrote

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Speaker 1: a victim impact statement.

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Speaker 2: I prepare a statement explaining everything that has happened and

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Speaker 2: how he had affected my children.

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Speaker 1: Ellie told her she wasn't allowed to go to the hearing.

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Speaker 1: If she showed up there, he said he'd have her

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Speaker 1: arrested again.

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Speaker 2: And since I was in jail not too long before,

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Speaker 2: I just believed him because he was so convincing.

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Speaker 1: Ellie was doing whatever he could to control the situation

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Speaker 1: and keep Lucy in the dark. Not only did he

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Speaker 1: intimidate Lucy out of attending the hearing, Ellie didn't attend either.

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Speaker 1: He never went to present his testimony and he was

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Speaker 1: the only witness.

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Speaker 2: He's a coward. He didn't want anything on record because

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Speaker 2: when you go to a court, everything is transcribed. So

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Speaker 2: johnsh never knew exactly what happened. They just said in general,

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Speaker 2: but nothing like the tragedy and all day implications, the threatening,

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Speaker 2: the impact on me and my kids. Did Josh never

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Speaker 2: heard it. He didn't advocate for his family for us.

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Speaker 2: His reputation was more important. He didn't want anybody to

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Speaker 2: hear what he did.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't face the shame of it because Ellie wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: The judge was very lenient with the sentencing. Anna's husband

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Speaker 1: was sentenced to fifteen months in jail, and Anna was

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Speaker 1: only given five. As for Lucy, she endured a much

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Speaker 1: longer sentence, trying to put the pieces of her life

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Speaker 1: back together after Ellie's betrayal.

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Speaker 2: I was a mess. I barely could move for a

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Speaker 2: year and a half. I was in bed, crying, crying, crying.

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Speaker 2: I would cry for days. I don't even remember many days.

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Speaker 2: This guy destroyed my life so much a way that

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Speaker 2: he destroyed my soul.

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Speaker 1: During their marriage, she and Ellie had cultivated a community

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Speaker 1: of close friends. After his betrayal, she needed someone to

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Speaker 1: turn to, but she'd stop getting replies or calls back

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Speaker 1: from friends. Then she found out that Ellie had been

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Speaker 1: telling everyone a very different story about their divorce, one

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Speaker 1: where Lucy was to blame.

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Speaker 2: I would receive calls from friends that would say, how

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Speaker 2: could you be uns faithful to your husband like that?

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Speaker 2: I say, what what are you talking about? He started

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Speaker 2: saying that I wasn't faithful to him with a Russian

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Speaker 2: guy just changed the story, making me the one that

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Speaker 2: did everything he did. It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: It was the definition of projection. But she couldn't stop

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Speaker 1: the rumors. Many of their friends took Ellie's side, and

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Speaker 1: she has a theory about.

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Speaker 2: Why Unfortunately money talks. People respect people with money, even

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Speaker 2: if they are the devil in disguise. People want to

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Speaker 2: be close to success, to successful people, not two people

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Speaker 2: that are destroyed or a mess. I was a mess.

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Speaker 2: I took a few pills because I want to numb myself,

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Speaker 2: not because I want to die. I wanted to numb myself.

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Speaker 2: But maybe I took too many. I ended up in

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Speaker 2: the hospital in emergency, and they transferred me to a

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Speaker 2: psychiatric hospital.

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Speaker 1: The doctors asked Lucy what was going on at home?

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Speaker 2: When I told the psychiatric is my story, and she

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Speaker 2: thought I was making it up. She told me, your delusional,

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Speaker 2: what a story.

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Speaker 1: Lucy stayed in the psychiatric hospital for a few days.

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Speaker 1: Elie brought their kids to visit her.

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Speaker 2: He looked very calm and collected. He told my nineteen

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Speaker 2: year old son, listen, I think you should live alone

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Speaker 2: because mother is not well, so you shouldn't be with her.

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Speaker 2: And he gave him an apartment. That was devastating. He

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Speaker 2: took advantage of my vulnerability that he would talk about

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Speaker 2: me like I was the crazy one. He keeps the

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Speaker 2: financial control of everybody.

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Speaker 1: It took five months for their divorce to be finalized.

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Speaker 2: It cost him a fortune. It caused me my sanity

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Speaker 2: looking back.

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Speaker 1: Now, Lucy sees how wealth enabled Ellie.

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Speaker 2: The more money you get, the more powerful you feel.

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Speaker 2: He felt superior to everybody, and he's above everybody. He

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Speaker 2: thought he was untouchable.

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Speaker 1: It's been almost ten years since she discovered Ellie's betrayal.

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Speaker 1: Now a day goes by that she doesn't think about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I forgive him, But if I don't,

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Speaker 2: it's okay, because you don't have to forget everybody, especially

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Speaker 2: somebody that has been so perpously mean to you and

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Speaker 2: your children. You know, he doesn't deserve forgiveness.

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Speaker 1: The person she has forgiven is herself. She knows now

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Speaker 1: that none of this was her fault. It took her

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Speaker 1: a while to trust again, but when she did, it

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Speaker 1: was worth it. A few years ago, she met someone new.

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Speaker 2: He made me be living life again. We got married

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. We're happily married, and he's an

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Speaker 2: amazing man and he brings me joy every dingy.

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Speaker 1: She's rebuilt a life that feels authentically hers.

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Speaker 2: I just dedicate myself to what makes me happy. My

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Speaker 2: two dogs are my life. My husband is my life,

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Speaker 2: my children. I live a very quiet life. I love

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Speaker 2: to read I love to watch my Netflix. I just

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Speaker 2: accept things for the way they are. I don't sweat

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Speaker 2: little things. Finally, I'm at peace.

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Speaker 1: We end every weekly episode with the same question, why

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Speaker 1: do you want to share your story?

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Speaker 2: What happened to me was minimized by many people around

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Speaker 2: me and the hurt. But I think that my story

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Speaker 2: was so extraordinary that it has to be heard. And

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Speaker 2: you know something. In a way, I won validation because

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Speaker 2: I have been strong. I went through hell for years,

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Speaker 2: not months, years, and I discovered that I'm stronger than

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly.

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Speaker 3: I remember everything that man, for so long had so

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Speaker 3: much control over me. I cannot just stand by and

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Speaker 3: do nothing. You will not get away with this.

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