Speaker 1: All right, thanks scotch On an hour two Sean Hannity Show,
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Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that it was a week ago
Speaker 1: that we knew fully and completely over a week ago
Speaker 1: now that our friend Charlie Kirk was politically assassinated in Utah,
Speaker 1: and it has been it's been a rough week plus
Speaker 1: for everybody that I know, everybody that cared about him.
Speaker 1: One person that did is Frank Turk, and he is
Speaker 1: an American Christian apologist, author, public speaker, radio host, best
Speaker 1: known as the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Ministry.
Speaker 1: And he was literally right next to Charlie. You can
Speaker 1: see him on the videos if you watch it mere feet,
Speaker 1: you know, just a few feet away when Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: was assassinated and was with him, you know, in the
Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath, and was in the car rushing him
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Here's how he explained part of that experience.
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was literally like a son to me. I
Speaker 2: have three sons. He was like my fourth son. My
Speaker 2: three sons are a little bit older than Charlie. He
Speaker 2: was like my fourth son. So when he was hit,
Speaker 2: if your son got hit, what would you do?
Speaker 3: What would you do?
Speaker 2: I got in the car because if there was any
Speaker 2: way I could save him, I had to do something.
Speaker 4: Nah, I couldn't just well.
Speaker 2: You just take him.
Speaker 4: You guys got it.
Speaker 2: So they got him into the side of the car.
Speaker 2: It was an suv. It was the suv. We took over,
Speaker 2: and I'm on one side and there's actually some video there.
Speaker 2: Somebody's taking video of this. I'm on one side of
Speaker 2: the car, the right side, and they're getting Charlie in,
Speaker 2: so I run over the other side. But the guy
Speaker 2: was dragging him in there now blocking that entrance. So
Speaker 2: at that point I run around to the back. I
Speaker 2: popped the top of the back gate open and I
Speaker 2: jump in the back. The car lurches forward, apparently somebody
Speaker 2: jumped in the cars. The car lurches forward, so I
Speaker 2: almost fall out of the car to the SUV. Then
Speaker 2: I grabbed the thing and close it and there's five
Speaker 2: of us in the car. Now Justin's driving, Dan is
Speaker 2: up front with the with the GPS.
Speaker 5: Rick has got him.
Speaker 2: Rick's on my left, and Brian is there and I'm
Speaker 2: coming over the back seat, and Charlie's laid out in front,
Speaker 2: just right in front of me, and Charlie's so tall
Speaker 2: we can't we can't close the door.
Speaker 5: We drove four.
Speaker 2: Miles someone, I don't know, it's four something miles all
Speaker 2: the way to the hospital with the door open. To
Speaker 2: this day, I don't know how Brian stayed in the
Speaker 2: car because we're just go, go, go, go go. We're
Speaker 2: you know, we're trying to do We're trying to stop
Speaker 2: the bleeding. You saw it, and I'm yelling, come on, try,
Speaker 2: come on, come on. Meanwhile, my phone is still on.
Speaker 2: My son and daughter in law here and this whole thing,
Speaker 2: and his security team again justin Dan, Brian and Rick.
Speaker 2: They love Charlie. But they were much cooler than I.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just carrying out. They're calmly, but they're
Speaker 2: swiftly doing exactly what they were trained to do. Rick
Speaker 2: starts praying out loud. I'm praying out loud. We're yelling,
Speaker 2: come on, let's go, let's go, let's go. My son's
Speaker 2: here and all this, and we're doing the best we
Speaker 2: can to navigate traffic.
Speaker 5: It's not a highway.
Speaker 2: We're on surface streets and suddenly there's an ambulance coming
Speaker 2: toward us, and there was a conversation in the car.
Speaker 2: Should we stop. We're like, no, no, just keep going,
Speaker 2: just keep going. The doctor later said that was the
Speaker 2: right thing to do. Ambulance goes by us. We're still
Speaker 2: heading to the hospital, trying to get there. At one
Speaker 2: point somebody says, let's get there in one piece, because
Speaker 2: we're just we're cutting through intersections, you know, just beeping
Speaker 2: the horn. This is not an emergency vehicle. There's no
Speaker 2: there's no lights, there's none of this. And I go,
Speaker 2: we got to start CPR. So I try and start that. Now,
Speaker 2: Charlie wasn't there. His eyes were fixed. He wasn't looking
Speaker 2: at me. He was looking past me, right into eternity.
Speaker 2: He was with Jesus already, all right.
Speaker 1: Frank Trek joins us. Now I have a hard time
Speaker 1: listening to that. I know most of this audience does
Speaker 1: as well. I can't imagine you know this, Charlie was
Speaker 1: a guy, and maybe he should go back to talk
Speaker 1: about your experience with him that years ago he had
Speaker 1: reached out to you for mentorship in terms of being
Speaker 1: able to better message either his Christian faith and apologetics
Speaker 1: and have better answers for these young people that he
Speaker 1: spoke to often on college campuses.
Speaker 4: That's right, Sean. He wanted to persuade young people that
Speaker 4: Jesus had risen from the dead and by trusting in him,
Speaker 4: anyone could have their sins forgiven and then given his
Speaker 4: righteousness and eternity. He wanted to be persuasive about that.
Speaker 4: And I'd been doing that on college campuses for many years,
Speaker 4: just found at the level Charlie was doing it. And
Speaker 4: so he had discovered me online and about five years
Speaker 4: ago reached out and we'd been fast friends ever since.
Speaker 4: And Sean, you know this because you've been with Charlie
Speaker 4: privately as well, and everybody says the same thing. Charlie
Speaker 4: was the same wonderful person on and off the stage.
Speaker 4: In fact, the only thing that surpassed his intellect was
Speaker 4: his humility. He would ask me questions all the time,
Speaker 4: and how'd I do on this, and how'd I do
Speaker 4: on that? And how could I do better? He was
Speaker 4: so confident when he got on stage, but off stage,
Speaker 4: when he was in learning mode, he just wanted to
Speaker 4: learn from everybody, and he loved everybody, and he wanted
Speaker 4: what was best for everybody, and that's just such a
Speaker 4: tragedy to see this.
Speaker 1: Happen like many Americans. And I brought this up on
Speaker 1: TV with you last night. What amazed me? And I
Speaker 1: did know Charlie and I saw Charlie at the White
Speaker 1: House the last time I was there, interviewing President Trump,
Speaker 1: and I thanked him. I thanked him for everything that
Speaker 1: he and his organization had done to impact young people
Speaker 1: and get them out to the polls. But I did
Speaker 1: not know how deep this faith of his went until
Speaker 1: last weekend, and I found myself compelled to watch video
Speaker 1: after video after video. They're all over YouTube, by the way.
Speaker 1: I urged young people especially to watch them. And obviously
Speaker 1: this was what defined him. I got to know Bob Occoy,
Speaker 1: who is his personal pastor. What a wonderful guy he is,
Speaker 1: like you, yes, and he had some incredible people around
Speaker 1: him advising him, watching out for him, guiding him. And
Speaker 1: then you'd watch him or him and Erica, you know,
Speaker 1: give advice to young people. Wow, things you're not going
Speaker 1: to hear on a college campus very often, pastor, which
Speaker 1: is you know, against cook up culture, against how men
Speaker 1: should treat women, you know, don't be the kid throwing
Speaker 1: up in the bushes and living your life that way.
Speaker 1: You know, have a purpose in your life, find a
Speaker 1: church in your life. I mean, these are not things
Speaker 1: that are regularly discussed, sadly anymore on college campuses.
Speaker 4: No, they're not, Sean And that was why Charlie was
Speaker 4: such a beacon of light on the college campus and
Speaker 4: how he wanted to reach out to young people, and
Speaker 4: that's why he spent so much time, and I was
Speaker 4: part of that, helping him get prepared to answer any
Speaker 4: and every possible question a young person could have, every
Speaker 4: objection a young person could have, whether it's about morality,
Speaker 4: whether it's about sexuality, whether it's about marriage, whether it's
Speaker 4: about the Bible and certain verses in the Bible, whether
Speaker 4: the Bible was even true. All of those questions were
Speaker 4: questions that Charlie trained himself on and and called people
Speaker 4: around him into a circle to help him with. He
Speaker 4: was somebody that at thirty one years old, Shawn did
Speaker 4: more than most than ten million people do in eighty
Speaker 4: years of life. I mean, the guy was just incredible
Speaker 4: and I was just so privileged to know him and
Speaker 4: to help him for those for five of those thirty
Speaker 4: one short years.
Speaker 5: Explain how you ended up going to this event.
Speaker 4: Well, Charlie had. Charlie and I had met about four
Speaker 4: times this past summer to train for this tour, and
Speaker 4: when I was out in Phoenix in August, he said, look,
Speaker 4: I got to go overseas for a few days. You know.
Speaker 4: He took a seventy two hour trip to Korea and Japan. Sean,
Speaker 4: that's how That's how dedicated this guy is. Seventy two
Speaker 4: hours in Phoenix, back, he hits two countries, he preaches
Speaker 4: the gospel in Japan. Then he comes back and he says, Frank,
Speaker 4: when I get back, we got three days before the
Speaker 4: first event. Can you help me for those first two
Speaker 4: and then come to the event if you'd like the
Speaker 4: third day. But of course, so the third day, after
Speaker 4: we had spent plenty of time the previous too. I
Speaker 4: was there, just as you say, feet away when that
Speaker 4: shot rang out, and I just thought to myself, Sean,
Speaker 4: I've been worried about this. I thought somebody at some
Speaker 4: point was going to take a shot at Charlie. And
Speaker 4: I always thought to myself, if I was there, what
Speaker 4: would I do? Because I'm a Navy veteran, and in
Speaker 4: Navy you always have emergency procedures you practice. If something
Speaker 4: like this happens, what do you do? You think about
Speaker 4: it before it happens. And so when it happened, I
Speaker 4: knew what I was going to do. I was going
Speaker 4: to try and get in that car, trying to help
Speaker 4: him anyway I could. And if there's any comfort at
Speaker 4: all to our audience, Charlie didn't experience any pain. He
Speaker 4: was gone the moment the bullet hit him. We were
Speaker 4: trying against hope to try and save him, but there
Speaker 4: was nothing we could do it. If we were closer
Speaker 4: to the hospital wouldn't matter. Faster the hospital wouldn't matter.
Speaker 4: The surgeon later said, Now he was gone immediately.
Speaker 1: You know, in the course of my career, which now
Speaker 1: spans decades, two people my kids wanted to meet Donald
Speaker 1: try and Charlie Kirk and my son got to meet
Speaker 1: him at an event that I spoke at a number
Speaker 1: of years ago with Charlie there and and he was
Speaker 1: thrilled to meet him. And my son wrote me as
Speaker 1: soon as this happened, and he was just being realistic.
Speaker 1: My son is very rooted in reality. He goes, Dad,
Speaker 1: there's no way he can survive that, and I said,
Speaker 1: we don't know that. Pray for him and we're going
Speaker 1: to hope for the best. But there was a moment
Speaker 1: of hope in the hospital. I mean, you tell him
Speaker 1: the story that you're rushing him from that from his seat.
Speaker 1: After he is, you know, literally bleeding out in front
Speaker 1: of the world. You get him in a car, he
Speaker 1: can't even close the door. You're racing to the hospital.
Speaker 1: It's about four four and a half minute ride. And
Speaker 1: then something magical happened in the hospital and tell us
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 4: Well, as soon as we got in, you know, the
Speaker 4: whole team started working on him. And about ten minutes after,
Speaker 4: they said, because we're all praying, come on, come on,
Speaker 4: do something, get get give us some hope. And one
Speaker 4: doctor said, okay, we got a pulse. So we were saying, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe there's hope here, Maybe there's hope. But about a
Speaker 4: half hour later, the main surgeon came down and said
Speaker 4: he's gone. And the reason they got a pulse, Sean,
Speaker 4: was because he was a healthy young man and you
Speaker 4: could restart the heart. Even though the neck wound was catastrophic.
Speaker 4: He couldn't have survived it so.
Speaker 1: I mean, when anyone looks at that video and you're
Speaker 1: right next to him and that blood is gushing out
Speaker 1: at that rapid rate, I don't know how you stopped
Speaker 1: the bleeding. I actually spoke with a doctor who said,
Speaker 1: even if you had a operating table right next to
Speaker 1: where he was, the odds of saving him were next
Speaker 1: to zero.
Speaker 5: That broke my heart.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, Sean. But if he were to die,
Speaker 4: he died as quickly as possible and that's the only
Speaker 4: saving grace. Now, of course we're seeing such an amazing revile.
Speaker 4: It seems, Sean an interest in Jesus and interest in salvation,
Speaker 4: and interest in becoming a disciple, and interest in spiritual things.
Speaker 4: I mean, Sean, I'm getting comments on the interview we
Speaker 4: did last night in YouTube. There are people from Australia,
Speaker 4: there are people from Denmark, there are people from London.
Speaker 4: There's people all over the country going I was an
Speaker 4: atheist now I'm a Christian because of Charlie Kirk. Sean.
Speaker 4: I mean, have you.
Speaker 1: Seen how much I think there's fifty nearly sixty thousand
Speaker 1: requests now for Turning Point USA chapters at college campuses.
Speaker 5: Crazy amount.
Speaker 4: They had twousand, two weeks ago, two thousand chapters. Now
Speaker 4: they have requests for sixty two thousand Sean.
Speaker 1: Wow, what an impact can you explain? Because I knew
Speaker 1: more of the political side of Charlie. Now I know
Speaker 1: all of Charlie and through the videos. What was so
Speaker 1: unique about this as he went into these hostile environments
Speaker 1: and he did two things. I think it was extraordinarily
Speaker 1: brilliant when you really think about it. One is, you
Speaker 1: would take on all comers. You don't prove me wrong,
Speaker 1: as he would say, and you'd watch these kids go
Speaker 1: up to the microphone, you're a fascist, You're you're a racist,
Speaker 1: and all right, tell me one thing that I've ever said,
Speaker 1: you're a fascist, you're a racist. None, Just give me
Speaker 1: one example. They could never answer number one. Number two
Speaker 1: is then the advice that they gave. And I don't
Speaker 1: think you can really underestimate the impact of a young person,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it would come across the
Speaker 1: same way if I said it, and or compared to
Speaker 1: how powerful it was when he and Erica would advise
Speaker 1: these young kids and say, yeah, hookup culture is not good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: getting into a good church is a good idea. Na
Speaker 1: we don't drink if you want to, okay, but don't
Speaker 1: be the kid throwing up in the bushes and just
Speaker 1: you know what to how to act and how to
Speaker 1: treat each other. Was that was the inspiring part to me.
Speaker 4: It was inspiring Sean, and it was inspiring across generations.
Speaker 4: I have a friend who's a pastor who was he's
Speaker 4: a grandfather and he said his granddaughter was crying. So
Speaker 4: you've got people from all generations who were impacted by
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk and Sean. I mean to call a guy
Speaker 4: who says, if you disagree with me, come to the
Speaker 4: front of the line, let me give you the microphone
Speaker 4: so you can make your case. To call a guy
Speaker 4: like that a fascist is a complete contradiction. The guy
Speaker 4: that shot him is a fascist, okay, because fascist don't
Speaker 4: give the microphone to their opponents who say, you've got
Speaker 4: the floor, go ahead. I mean, it's completely absurd what
Speaker 4: they're trying to do to Charlie's reputation. As you pointed
Speaker 4: out earlier, nobody can really point to anything that supports
Speaker 4: any of the claims they make about this great man.
Speaker 1: Frank, if you can stay anund the minute, Frank, Tirk
Speaker 1: is with us, an American Christian apologist, author, speaker of
Speaker 1: radio host in his own right, founder and president of
Speaker 1: the Christian Apologetics Ministry. He has a website cross examine
Speaker 1: dot org. One or two more questions on the other side, Pastor,
Speaker 1: if you have the time, we'll come back. I know
Speaker 1: you're speaking this weekend on Sunday at this big memorial
Speaker 1: that's taking place in Glendale. Will continue with that on
Speaker 1: the other side as we continue our coverage, our final
Speaker 1: moments with Frank Turk, an American Christian apologist. He has
Speaker 1: a website, by the way, if you want to learn
Speaker 1: more about what he's doing and his work, cross examined
Speaker 1: dot org. And he was a friend mentor to Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk and he was standing right next to him when
Speaker 1: he was assassinated. He views Charlie and viewed Charlie at
Speaker 1: like a fourth son. Here's my last question, Pastor, because
Speaker 1: I think it's critical at this moment. It's sad that
Speaker 1: it takes moments like this for us to get on
Speaker 1: our knees and pray and reflect and appreciate the gift
Speaker 1: of life which can be taken in the blink of
Speaker 1: an eye. I think all too often we do take
Speaker 1: a lot of things in our lives for granted. And
Speaker 1: you were mentoring Charlie, and he saw brought you out,
Speaker 1: which is incredible. And he wanted to find Tuna's arguments,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to be smarter. And what would he
Speaker 1: say to people young and old that listen to this
Speaker 1: radio program today, you know, heading into his funeral and
Speaker 1: memorial this.
Speaker 4: Weekend, He would say, Sean, that Jesus is the most
Speaker 4: important subject and the most important person in anyone's life
Speaker 4: if you follow the truth where it leads, because Jesus
Speaker 4: came to take our punishment upon himself. He lived the
Speaker 4: perfect life in our place, and by trusting in him,
Speaker 4: all of the punishment do us goes upon him. And
Speaker 4: then we are not only forgiven for what we've done,
Speaker 4: we are given Jesus's righteousness, so we can be reconciled
Speaker 4: to God the Father. Because Caseean, look, God is infinitely just,
Speaker 4: and I know I have not been infinitely just. So
Speaker 4: if he's infinitely just, he has to punish me, and
Speaker 4: I need somebody then to take my punishment for me.
Speaker 4: The only place he can find somebody to take that
Speaker 4: punishment for me is in himself because he's innocent, so
Speaker 4: he adds humanity to his deity, comes to earth, lives
Speaker 4: a perfect life in our place, and allows the creatures
Speaker 4: that rebelled against him to torture and kill him so
Speaker 4: he could take our punishment upon himself. It's not about
Speaker 4: doing good works. Good works don't get you to heaven.
Speaker 4: Good works a result of the fact that you are
Speaker 4: going to heaven because you love Jesus and what He's
Speaker 4: done for you. So that would be Charlie's primary message.
Speaker 4: Everything after that would be secondary but important, like family,
Speaker 4: like making sure we have a government to protect innocent
Speaker 4: people from evil, and thankfully now we do, Sean in
Speaker 4: the past administration, we didn't, as you know, as you
Speaker 4: so eloquently point out every night. So the most important
Speaker 4: thing is Jesus, because you're going to be dead a
Speaker 4: lot longer than you're going to be alive. So get
Speaker 4: right with God except what Christ has done, and then
Speaker 4: take care of your family and take care of your neighbors.
Speaker 1: We've all sinned, pastor and fallen short of the glory
Speaker 1: of God. You know, if there's one bit of comfort
Speaker 1: from a Christian perspective that we can take out of this,
Speaker 1: you know, is Jesus' own description of heaven. You know,
Speaker 1: the eye have not seen, nor had the ear heard,
Speaker 1: nor has it entered in the hearts of man what
Speaker 1: God has instored for those who love the truth.
Speaker 5: Let not your heart be troubled.
Speaker 1: At my father's house, there are many mansions, and I
Speaker 1: go to prepare a place for you. And I say
Speaker 1: that all the time. And I know you're friends with
Speaker 1: my dear friend David Limbaugh, who's written on apologetics himself
Speaker 1: and has actually helped me in my faith. He's been
Speaker 1: my agent since the beginning of my career and a
Speaker 1: dear friend and a brilliant writer in his own right.
Speaker 4: He wrote over to our book, I don't have enough
Speaker 4: faith to be an atheist. David's been a friend for
Speaker 4: over twenty five years, and he speaks so highly of you,
Speaker 4: And I know that at one of.
Speaker 1: His doors, I've been able to pull it over over
Speaker 1: on him all that time.
Speaker 5: Pastor what's that you have?
Speaker 1: I'm teasing, Yeah, if he speaks highly of me, I
Speaker 1: don't know, does he really know? Look, I just I
Speaker 1: just appreciate what people like you do. I just appreciate
Speaker 1: that people like you, Bob McCoy and all these wonderful
Speaker 1: people were in Charlie's life. It's we know he's in paradise.
Speaker 1: Remember when Jesus was on the cross, and you know
Speaker 1: there's one person on one side, one person on the
Speaker 1: other side, one person mocking him. If you're the Christ,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll take us down from this cross, and
Speaker 1: the other guy saying.
Speaker 5: I deserve this. I belong here. You don't.
Speaker 1: And he turned his head and said, this day you
Speaker 1: will be with me in paradise. I believe in the
Speaker 1: promise of Heaven.
Speaker 5: I really do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, Sean. The body present with the Lord,
Speaker 4: and that's what happens. People go and be with Jesus immediately.
Speaker 4: That's where Charlie was when we got him in the
Speaker 4: car aster.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had to live through that, but I'm
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I'm glad people like you were
Speaker 1: there with him. I know it meant the world to him,
Speaker 1: and I know you'll see him again. We appreciate all
Speaker 1: you work. Pastor.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you so much, Sean. Thanks for having
Speaker 4: me on to talk about it. It helps.
Speaker 1: Ross Examined dot org is the website. Frank Turk, thank you.
Speaker 1: Eight hundred nine four one Sean, if you want to
Speaker 1: be a part of the program. John in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: k E I B.
Speaker 5: What's up? John? How are you.
Speaker 4: Good? Afternoon? Such an honor to speak with.
Speaker 5: You, honors all mine. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I got to tell you when when I learned that
Speaker 4: he had been shot, not that he had passed, but
Speaker 4: when he had been a shot, it was the first
Speaker 4: time in the years that I've been compelled with all
Speaker 4: to my knees and pray Charlie. He was thirty years old,
Speaker 4: thirty one years old. I'm sixty, and this is a
Speaker 4: man that I looked up to and admired. He did
Speaker 4: more in ten years of being active than anybody does
Speaker 4: in the course of several lifetimes. And to have the
Speaker 4: impact that he's had, not only here in the United
Speaker 4: States but around the world. Newsmatch was reporting today that
Speaker 4: Queen Elizabeth herself even admired Charlie and the work he
Speaker 4: had done was turning point. UK, what power this man had,
Speaker 4: and that can only come from one source that you
Speaker 4: guys have covered, It comes from God.
Speaker 1: Well, if I could encourage him one thing, if this,
Speaker 1: if this got you on your knees the first time
Speaker 1: stayed there, you know, the place you'd never want to
Speaker 1: be in life, in my view, my humble view, and
Speaker 1: I really have no right to offer advice, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it anyway, is is I The last
Speaker 1: thing you want is to be arrogant in this life.
Speaker 1: The best place to be in your life is on
Speaker 1: your knees and humble. I just believe that. And I
Speaker 1: think that's when I'm at my best self in life.
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, moments like this, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, puts us there, and I think you know,
Speaker 1: to the extent we can build on that. I think
Speaker 1: that would make Charlie very happy.
Speaker 5: I believe that.
Speaker 4: I do agree completely than I know im. I thank you,
Speaker 4: thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 1: Show Thanks, thank you, John, appreciate it. All right, quick break,
Speaker 1: we'll come right back. We'll get to your phone calls
Speaker 1: straight ahead. Eight hundred and ninety four one Sean if
Speaker 1: you want to be a part of the program. George
Speaker 1: Twilliger will join US former US Deputy Attorney General to
Speaker 1: discuss the FBI probe Arctic Frost, more evidence of nothing
Speaker 1: but deep state corruption and at targeting of conservative groups,
Speaker 1: including Charlie Kirk's turning point USA is evidence is come
Speaker 1: out this week. We'll get an update on that. Then
Speaker 1: we'll get more of your calls in on this Friday.
Speaker 1: Right back to our busy phones. Eight hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: four one, Shawn our number if you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of the program.
Speaker 5: Kate is in Utah. Kate, how are you?
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry for all the people in Utah. I
Speaker 1: know that they've been deeply impacted by all this, especially
Speaker 1: people around the university.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't at the event. That everybody across the
Speaker 3: country and the world is impacted because.
Speaker 4: They saw it.
Speaker 3: Hey, Shawn, is the assassination Charlie Kirk reaches the one
Speaker 3: week point. It's kind of been disturbing to me how
Speaker 3: much talk show hosts and Fox News personalities are ringing
Speaker 3: their hands and talking about how troubling it is when
Speaker 3: someone gets canceled. Jimmy Kimmel lied. He referred to the
Speaker 3: assassin as a kid. He's twenty one. He wasn't a kid.
Speaker 5: It was thirty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, No, I think it wasn't he twenty one.
Speaker 5: No, he was thirty one when he was assassinated.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean the assassin was twenty one.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'm sorry. I misunderstood you. I apologize.
Speaker 3: Oh, no, worry. Kim O referred to the assassin as
Speaker 3: a kid, and it's like, no, he's not a kid.
Speaker 3: You can go to war, you can vote, You're an
Speaker 3: adult at that point. That's probably part of the culture problem,
Speaker 3: is referring to twenty one year olds as kids. He's
Speaker 3: an adult. Brian kill Me said, he helps kim O
Speaker 3: comes back. It's like there's no comparison between those that
Speaker 3: have tried to cancel conservatives and those that have been canceled, terminated,
Speaker 3: or expelled from school in the last week for dancing
Speaker 3: like demons and seeing vile things at the assassination of
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. And you know, the people on Flyover care
Speaker 3: about conservatives and being canceled and about conservative business is
Speaker 3: being adversely impacted that Sean, this isn't uh, this isn't
Speaker 3: about you know, talk show hosts ability to speak without
Speaker 3: fear of being canceled, or about ratings. This is about
Speaker 3: the assassination of a beloved star. I'm going to carry
Speaker 3: faith leader. Some of them gay young people, specifically young men.
Speaker 3: Hope Disney or ABC did the right thing. At this
Speaker 3: moment in time, we just need to let it be
Speaker 3: called evil. Evil. This is a revolution. No apologies, this
Speaker 3: is a revolution.
Speaker 1: And you could you could take one observation out of
Speaker 1: Himmel's comments, and he's been repulsive before. And it's a
Speaker 1: joke because he just he's celebrated when conservatives got fired.
Speaker 1: So you know, save me the the phony tears and outrage.
Speaker 1: ABC made this decision, and uh, that's what happened. And
Speaker 1: you have low ratings and then you have reduced revenues.
Speaker 1: That's just a part of television and radio. I've lived
Speaker 1: with the pressure of audience size my entire career. That's
Speaker 1: part of the business. But I will tell you he's
Speaker 1: just not a nice human being. This is a guy
Speaker 1: that wanted sympathy from the country and he got it
Speaker 1: when and when he was dealing with issues involving his
Speaker 1: own child and and just callously saying the things that
Speaker 1: he said. Nobody could. No conservative was calling for us firing.
Speaker 1: You know, people tried to say, well, Donald Trump said no,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump said Kimmel's next, because he knew his ratings
Speaker 1: awful and that his show is awful, and awful shows
Speaker 1: with awful ratings don't don't continue to exist in the
Speaker 1: real world, right.
Speaker 3: And if it took the if the vile things he
Speaker 3: said was the last straw, great. I don't think anybody
Speaker 3: should apologize. We don't. We do that too much and
Speaker 3: that gives that gives win to the sales of the
Speaker 3: people that try to spin things that Donald Trump says,
Speaker 3: or try to this wasn't a or try to pin
Speaker 3: things like this on conservatives. This wasn't a conservative that
Speaker 3: got him fired. Okay, maybe it was his ratings and
Speaker 3: other things. Maybe maybe the ass was going to fall eventually,
Speaker 3: but you know what, they did it at this moment
Speaker 3: in time, and it was because of pressure by Sinclair
Speaker 3: and the other conglomerate's great people are this is enough?
Speaker 1: Well, remember there are a lot of their stations. If
Speaker 1: the Fox had a map on yesterday, I didn't know
Speaker 1: much about either one of the groups, and they had
Speaker 1: a map of where these stations were, and there was
Speaker 1: maybe three stations I saw in California. You know, the
Speaker 1: problem is is one of the reasons for the failure
Speaker 1: of late night comedy shows, besides not being funny, besides
Speaker 1: being you know, bitterly partisan and political. The deposite of Leto,
Speaker 1: of the opposite of Carson is the fact that they
Speaker 1: were catering to the you know, the left coast and
Speaker 1: the east coast and the coastal elites, and the rest
Speaker 1: of this country is all red, and that that part
Speaker 1: of the country tuned them out in droves.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's a it's a it's now a pretty
Speaker 3: tried and true business model, from you know, bud Light
Speaker 3: to the Sydney Sweeney ad. We're tired of it. The
Speaker 3: middle we you know, it was the election proved it
Speaker 3: bared it out. You know, we're done. I mean, we're
Speaker 3: not trying to cancel anybody. They can cancel themselves because
Speaker 3: people are, like you said, there's a revolution. We're calling
Speaker 3: evil evil and we're sick of it.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the call, Kate, Thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: with us. Eight hundred and nine shown is a number
Speaker 1: if you want to be a part of the program.