WEBVTT - Kirk's Voice Louder Than Ever - September 19th, Hour 2 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.120 All right, thanks scotch On an hour two Sean Hannity Show, 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.360 Toll free. Our number is eight hundred and nine foot one, 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.959 Sean if you want to be a part of the program. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.039 It's hard to imagine that it was a week ago 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.120 that we knew fully and completely over a week ago 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:24.200 now that our friend Charlie Kirk was politically assassinated in Utah, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.040 and it has been it's been a rough week plus 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.200 for everybody that I know, everybody that cared about him. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.120 One person that did is Frank Turk, and he is 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:40.280 an American Christian apologist, author, public speaker, radio host, best 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:45.120 known as the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Ministry. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.440 And he was literally right next to Charlie. You can 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.280 see him on the videos if you watch it mere feet, 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.920 you know, just a few feet away when Charlie Kirk 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.120 was assassinated and was with him, you know, in the 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.560 the immediate aftermath, and was in the car rushing him 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.360 to the hospital. Here's how he explained part of that experience. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.440 Charlie Kirk was literally like a son to me. I 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.840 have three sons. He was like my fourth son. My 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.679 three sons are a little bit older than Charlie. He 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.959 was like my fourth son. So when he was hit, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.039 if your son got hit, what would you do? 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:25.200 What would you do? 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:30.800 I got in the car because if there was any 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.440 way I could save him, I had to do something. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.479 Nah, I couldn't just well. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:38.120 You just take him. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:39.040 You guys got it. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.520 So they got him into the side of the car. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.280 It was an suv. It was the suv. We took over, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.280 and I'm on one side and there's actually some video there. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.160 Somebody's taking video of this. I'm on one side of 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.960 the car, the right side, and they're getting Charlie in, 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:57.840 so I run over the other side. But the guy 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.240 was dragging him in there now blocking that entrance. So 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.040 at that point I run around to the back. I 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.920 popped the top of the back gate open and I 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.920 jump in the back. The car lurches forward, apparently somebody 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.000 jumped in the cars. The car lurches forward, so I 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.680 almost fall out of the car to the SUV. Then 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:20.640 I grabbed the thing and close it and there's five 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.080 of us in the car. Now Justin's driving, Dan is 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.440 up front with the with the GPS. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:27.640 Rick has got him. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.119 Rick's on my left, and Brian is there and I'm 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:35.519 coming over the back seat, and Charlie's laid out in front, 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.680 just right in front of me, and Charlie's so tall 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.800 we can't we can't close the door. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:42.720 We drove four. 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.640 Miles someone, I don't know, it's four something miles all 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.480 the way to the hospital with the door open. To 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.200 this day, I don't know how Brian stayed in the 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.680 car because we're just go, go, go, go go. We're 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.200 you know, we're trying to do We're trying to stop 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.919 the bleeding. You saw it, and I'm yelling, come on, try, 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.840 come on, come on. Meanwhile, my phone is still on. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.160 My son and daughter in law here and this whole thing, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.360 and his security team again justin Dan, Brian and Rick. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.959 They love Charlie. But they were much cooler than I. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.760 I mean, they're just carrying out. They're calmly, but they're 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.920 swiftly doing exactly what they were trained to do. Rick 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.080 starts praying out loud. I'm praying out loud. We're yelling, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:29.840 come on, let's go, let's go, let's go. My son's 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:34.040 here and all this, and we're doing the best we 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:35.200 can to navigate traffic. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:35.920 It's not a highway. 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.800 We're on surface streets and suddenly there's an ambulance coming 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.520 toward us, and there was a conversation in the car. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.839 Should we stop. We're like, no, no, just keep going, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:47.600 just keep going. The doctor later said that was the 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.520 right thing to do. Ambulance goes by us. We're still 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:55.800 heading to the hospital, trying to get there. At one 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.839 point somebody says, let's get there in one piece, because 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.480 we're just we're cutting through intersections, you know, just beeping 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.440 the horn. This is not an emergency vehicle. There's no 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.200 there's no lights, there's none of this. And I go, 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:12.200 we got to start CPR. So I try and start that. Now, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.679 Charlie wasn't there. His eyes were fixed. He wasn't looking 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.520 at me. He was looking past me, right into eternity. 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.160 He was with Jesus already, all right. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.520 Frank Trek joins us. Now I have a hard time 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.400 listening to that. I know most of this audience does 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.960 as well. I can't imagine you know this, Charlie was 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.039 a guy, and maybe he should go back to talk 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.880 about your experience with him that years ago he had 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:48.520 reached out to you for mentorship in terms of being 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:53.080 able to better message either his Christian faith and apologetics 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.680 and have better answers for these young people that he 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.720 spoke to often on college campuses. 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.920 That's right, Sean. He wanted to persuade young people that 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.640 Jesus had risen from the dead and by trusting in him, 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.840 anyone could have their sins forgiven and then given his 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.159 righteousness and eternity. He wanted to be persuasive about that. 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.400 And I'd been doing that on college campuses for many years, 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.600 just found at the level Charlie was doing it. And 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.640 so he had discovered me online and about five years 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.520 ago reached out and we'd been fast friends ever since. 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.440 And Sean, you know this because you've been with Charlie 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.760 privately as well, and everybody says the same thing. Charlie 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.800 was the same wonderful person on and off the stage. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.400 In fact, the only thing that surpassed his intellect was 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.880 his humility. He would ask me questions all the time, 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:45.479 and how'd I do on this, and how'd I do 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.599 on that? And how could I do better? He was 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.000 so confident when he got on stage, but off stage, 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.480 when he was in learning mode, he just wanted to 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.040 learn from everybody, and he loved everybody, and he wanted 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.520 what was best for everybody, and that's just such a 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:01.640 tragedy to see this. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.440 Happen like many Americans. And I brought this up on 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.920 TV with you last night. What amazed me? And I 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.640 did know Charlie and I saw Charlie at the White 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.200 House the last time I was there, interviewing President Trump, 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.800 and I thanked him. I thanked him for everything that 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.240 he and his organization had done to impact young people 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.880 and get them out to the polls. But I did 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:30.719 not know how deep this faith of his went until 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:35.080 last weekend, and I found myself compelled to watch video 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.039 after video after video. They're all over YouTube, by the way. 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:43.280 I urged young people especially to watch them. And obviously 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.400 this was what defined him. I got to know Bob Occoy, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.719 who is his personal pastor. What a wonderful guy he is, 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.680 like you, yes, and he had some incredible people around 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.880 him advising him, watching out for him, guiding him. And 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.800 then you'd watch him or him and Erica, you know, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.480 give advice to young people. Wow, things you're not going 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.560 to hear on a college campus very often, pastor, which 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.720 is you know, against cook up culture, against how men 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.480 should treat women, you know, don't be the kid throwing 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.680 up in the bushes and living your life that way. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.120 You know, have a purpose in your life, find a 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.120 church in your life. I mean, these are not things 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.320 that are regularly discussed, sadly anymore on college campuses. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.640 No, they're not, Sean And that was why Charlie was 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.600 such a beacon of light on the college campus and 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.920 how he wanted to reach out to young people, and 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.800 that's why he spent so much time, and I was 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:42.000 part of that, helping him get prepared to answer any 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.080 and every possible question a young person could have, every 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.280 objection a young person could have, whether it's about morality, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.800 whether it's about sexuality, whether it's about marriage, whether it's 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.880 about the Bible and certain verses in the Bible, whether 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.560 the Bible was even true. All of those questions were 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:01.280 questions that Charlie trained himself on and and called people 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.200 around him into a circle to help him with. He 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.840 was somebody that at thirty one years old, Shawn did 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.960 more than most than ten million people do in eighty 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.720 years of life. I mean, the guy was just incredible 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.440 and I was just so privileged to know him and 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.440 to help him for those for five of those thirty 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:20.520 one short years. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.000 Explain how you ended up going to this event. 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.080 Well, Charlie had. Charlie and I had met about four 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.800 times this past summer to train for this tour, and 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.000 when I was out in Phoenix in August, he said, look, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.000 I got to go overseas for a few days. You know. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.840 He took a seventy two hour trip to Korea and Japan. Sean, 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.959 that's how That's how dedicated this guy is. Seventy two 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.040 hours in Phoenix, back, he hits two countries, he preaches 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.800 the gospel in Japan. Then he comes back and he says, Frank, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.720 when I get back, we got three days before the 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:51.719 first event. Can you help me for those first two 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.280 and then come to the event if you'd like the 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.840 third day. But of course, so the third day, after 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.600 we had spent plenty of time the previous too. I 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.320 was there, just as you say, feet away when that 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:09.079 shot rang out, and I just thought to myself, Sean, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.160 I've been worried about this. I thought somebody at some 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:13.839 point was going to take a shot at Charlie. And 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.640 I always thought to myself, if I was there, what 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.040 would I do? Because I'm a Navy veteran, and in 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.840 Navy you always have emergency procedures you practice. If something 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.160 like this happens, what do you do? You think about 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.760 it before it happens. And so when it happened, I 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:27.960 knew what I was going to do. I was going 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.559 to try and get in that car, trying to help 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.800 him anyway I could. And if there's any comfort at 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.720 all to our audience, Charlie didn't experience any pain. He 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.880 was gone the moment the bullet hit him. We were 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.319 trying against hope to try and save him, but there 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.079 was nothing we could do it. If we were closer 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.320 to the hospital wouldn't matter. Faster the hospital wouldn't matter. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.400 The surgeon later said, Now he was gone immediately. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.320 You know, in the course of my career, which now 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.800 spans decades, two people my kids wanted to meet Donald 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.400 try and Charlie Kirk and my son got to meet 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.240 him at an event that I spoke at a number 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:09.760 of years ago with Charlie there and and he was 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.800 thrilled to meet him. And my son wrote me as 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.520 soon as this happened, and he was just being realistic. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.080 My son is very rooted in reality. He goes, Dad, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.480 there's no way he can survive that, and I said, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.000 we don't know that. Pray for him and we're going 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.960 to hope for the best. But there was a moment 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.199 of hope in the hospital. I mean, you tell him 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:33.720 the story that you're rushing him from that from his seat. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:37.120 After he is, you know, literally bleeding out in front 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.000 of the world. You get him in a car, he 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.920 can't even close the door. You're racing to the hospital. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.839 It's about four four and a half minute ride. And 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:50.280 then something magical happened in the hospital and tell us 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:50.920 what happened. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.480 Well, as soon as we got in, you know, the 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.880 whole team started working on him. And about ten minutes after, 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.760 they said, because we're all praying, come on, come on, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.719 do something, get get give us some hope. And one 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.200 doctor said, okay, we got a pulse. So we were saying, okay, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.920 maybe there's hope here, Maybe there's hope. But about a 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.320 half hour later, the main surgeon came down and said 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.480 he's gone. And the reason they got a pulse, Sean, 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.600 was because he was a healthy young man and you 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:21.000 could restart the heart. Even though the neck wound was catastrophic. 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:22.760 He couldn't have survived it so. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.000 I mean, when anyone looks at that video and you're 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:30.120 right next to him and that blood is gushing out 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.720 at that rapid rate, I don't know how you stopped 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.160 the bleeding. I actually spoke with a doctor who said, 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:41.120 even if you had a operating table right next to 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.640 where he was, the odds of saving him were next 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:45.120 to zero. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:46.439 That broke my heart. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.280 Yeah that's right, Sean. But if he were to die, 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:56.160 he died as quickly as possible and that's the only 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.320 saving grace. Now, of course we're seeing such an amazing revile. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:05.240 It seems, Sean an interest in Jesus and interest in salvation, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.760 and interest in becoming a disciple, and interest in spiritual things. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.880 I mean, Sean, I'm getting comments on the interview we 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.360 did last night in YouTube. There are people from Australia, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.600 there are people from Denmark, there are people from London. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.560 There's people all over the country going I was an 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.120 atheist now I'm a Christian because of Charlie Kirk. Sean. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:23.679 I mean, have you. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.640 Seen how much I think there's fifty nearly sixty thousand 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.640 requests now for Turning Point USA chapters at college campuses. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:31.760 Crazy amount. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.480 They had twousand, two weeks ago, two thousand chapters. Now 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.079 they have requests for sixty two thousand Sean. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.559 Wow, what an impact can you explain? Because I knew 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.680 more of the political side of Charlie. Now I know 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.640 all of Charlie and through the videos. What was so 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.079 unique about this as he went into these hostile environments 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.240 and he did two things. I think it was extraordinarily 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.559 brilliant when you really think about it. One is, you 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.880 would take on all comers. You don't prove me wrong, 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.320 as he would say, and you'd watch these kids go 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.520 up to the microphone, you're a fascist, You're you're a racist, 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.920 and all right, tell me one thing that I've ever said, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.120 you're a fascist, you're a racist. None, Just give me 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.720 one example. They could never answer number one. Number two 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.640 is then the advice that they gave. And I don't 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.800 think you can really underestimate the impact of a young person, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.160 you know, I don't think it would come across the 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:32.440 same way if I said it, and or compared to 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.240 how powerful it was when he and Erica would advise 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.480 these young kids and say, yeah, hookup culture is not good. Yeah, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.880 getting into a good church is a good idea. Na 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.120 we don't drink if you want to, okay, but don't 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.480 be the kid throwing up in the bushes and just 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.320 you know what to how to act and how to 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.480 treat each other. Was that was the inspiring part to me. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.880 It was inspiring Sean, and it was inspiring across generations. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.000 I have a friend who's a pastor who was he's 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.680 a grandfather and he said his granddaughter was crying. So 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.719 you've got people from all generations who were impacted by 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:13.000 Charlie Kirk and Sean. I mean to call a guy 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.800 who says, if you disagree with me, come to the 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.679 front of the line, let me give you the microphone 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.640 so you can make your case. To call a guy 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.360 like that a fascist is a complete contradiction. The guy 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.560 that shot him is a fascist, okay, because fascist don't 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.320 give the microphone to their opponents who say, you've got 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.200 the floor, go ahead. I mean, it's completely absurd what 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.360 they're trying to do to Charlie's reputation. As you pointed 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.800 out earlier, nobody can really point to anything that supports 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.200 any of the claims they make about this great man. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.720 Frank, if you can stay anund the minute, Frank, Tirk 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.400 is with us, an American Christian apologist, author, speaker of 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.160 radio host in his own right, founder and president of 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.360 the Christian Apologetics Ministry. He has a website cross examine 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.960 dot org. One or two more questions on the other side, Pastor, 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.520 if you have the time, we'll come back. I know 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.000 you're speaking this weekend on Sunday at this big memorial 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.600 that's taking place in Glendale. Will continue with that on 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.960 the other side as we continue our coverage, our final 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.400 moments with Frank Turk, an American Christian apologist. He has 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.000 a website, by the way, if you want to learn 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.720 more about what he's doing and his work, cross examined 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.320 dot org. And he was a friend mentor to Charlie 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.360 Kirk and he was standing right next to him when 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.160 he was assassinated. He views Charlie and viewed Charlie at 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.760 like a fourth son. Here's my last question, Pastor, because 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:41.240 I think it's critical at this moment. It's sad that 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.280 it takes moments like this for us to get on 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:48.360 our knees and pray and reflect and appreciate the gift 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.800 of life which can be taken in the blink of 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.200 an eye. I think all too often we do take 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.440 a lot of things in our lives for granted. And 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.640 you were mentoring Charlie, and he saw brought you out, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.120 which is incredible. And he wanted to find Tuna's arguments, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.880 and he wanted to be smarter. And what would he 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.600 say to people young and old that listen to this 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:16.000 radio program today, you know, heading into his funeral and 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:16.800 memorial this. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:22.960 Weekend, He would say, Sean, that Jesus is the most 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:29.880 important subject and the most important person in anyone's life 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.520 if you follow the truth where it leads, because Jesus 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:38.000 came to take our punishment upon himself. He lived the 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.800 perfect life in our place, and by trusting in him, 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:46.840 all of the punishment do us goes upon him. And 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.680 then we are not only forgiven for what we've done, 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.840 we are given Jesus's righteousness, so we can be reconciled 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.880 to God the Father. Because Caseean, look, God is infinitely just, 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.920 and I know I have not been infinitely just. So 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.080 if he's infinitely just, he has to punish me, and 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.800 I need somebody then to take my punishment for me. 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.800 The only place he can find somebody to take that 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.360 punishment for me is in himself because he's innocent, so 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.240 he adds humanity to his deity, comes to earth, lives 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.240 a perfect life in our place, and allows the creatures 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.720 that rebelled against him to torture and kill him so 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.080 he could take our punishment upon himself. It's not about 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.840 doing good works. Good works don't get you to heaven. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.600 Good works a result of the fact that you are 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.840 going to heaven because you love Jesus and what He's 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.480 done for you. So that would be Charlie's primary message. 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:44.640 Everything after that would be secondary but important, like family, 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.959 like making sure we have a government to protect innocent 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:52.000 people from evil, and thankfully now we do, Sean in 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.480 the past administration, we didn't, as you know, as you 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.840 so eloquently point out every night. So the most important 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.520 thing is Jesus, because you're going to be dead a 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.800 lot longer than you're going to be alive. So get 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.080 right with God except what Christ has done, and then 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.960 take care of your family and take care of your neighbors. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.240 We've all sinned, pastor and fallen short of the glory 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.000 of God. You know, if there's one bit of comfort 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.439 from a Christian perspective that we can take out of this, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.960 you know, is Jesus' own description of heaven. You know, 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.000 the eye have not seen, nor had the ear heard, 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.520 nor has it entered in the hearts of man what 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.440 God has instored for those who love the truth. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:33.840 Let not your heart be troubled. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.440 At my father's house, there are many mansions, and I 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:42.160 go to prepare a place for you. And I say 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:43.919 that all the time. And I know you're friends with 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.640 my dear friend David Limbaugh, who's written on apologetics himself 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.920 and has actually helped me in my faith. He's been 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.000 my agent since the beginning of my career and a 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.640 dear friend and a brilliant writer in his own right. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.360 He wrote over to our book, I don't have enough 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.520 faith to be an atheist. David's been a friend for 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.480 over twenty five years, and he speaks so highly of you, 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.600 And I know that at one of. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.840 His doors, I've been able to pull it over over 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:11.760 on him all that time. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.119 Pastor what's that you have? 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:19.240 I'm teasing, Yeah, if he speaks highly of me, I 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.960 don't know, does he really know? Look, I just I 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.399 just appreciate what people like you do. I just appreciate 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.400 that people like you, Bob McCoy and all these wonderful 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:33.760 people were in Charlie's life. It's we know he's in paradise. 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.199 Remember when Jesus was on the cross, and you know 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.600 there's one person on one side, one person on the 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.679 other side, one person mocking him. If you're the Christ, 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.879 you know, we'll take us down from this cross, and 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:45.920 the other guy saying. 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:50.000 I deserve this. I belong here. You don't. 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.240 And he turned his head and said, this day you 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.320 will be with me in paradise. I believe in the 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:57.120 promise of Heaven. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:57.680 I really do. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.440 Yeah, you're right, Sean. The body present with the Lord, 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.639 and that's what happens. People go and be with Jesus immediately. 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.239 That's where Charlie was when we got him in the 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.720 car aster. 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.200 I'm sorry you had to live through that, but I'm 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.399 on the other hand, I'm glad people like you were 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.520 there with him. I know it meant the world to him, 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.840 and I know you'll see him again. We appreciate all 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:21.600 you work. Pastor. 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.760 Thank you. Thank you so much, Sean. Thanks for having 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:26.880 me on to talk about it. It helps. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:31.280 Ross Examined dot org is the website. Frank Turk, thank you. 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.639 Eight hundred nine four one Sean, if you want to 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.200 be a part of the program. John in Los Angeles, 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:37.240 k E I B. 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:39.040 What's up? John? How are you. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.800 Good? Afternoon? Such an honor to speak with. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.480 You, honors all mine. Thank you. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.600 I got to tell you when when I learned that 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:53.560 he had been shot, not that he had passed, but 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.440 when he had been a shot, it was the first 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.199 time in the years that I've been compelled with all 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:02.480 to my knees and pray Charlie. He was thirty years old, 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.439 thirty one years old. I'm sixty, and this is a 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:09.800 man that I looked up to and admired. He did 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:14.600 more in ten years of being active than anybody does 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.040 in the course of several lifetimes. And to have the 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:20.320 impact that he's had, not only here in the United 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.119 States but around the world. Newsmatch was reporting today that 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.720