1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: All right, thanks scotch On an hour two Sean Hannity Show, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Toll free. Our number is eight hundred and nine foot one, 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: Sean if you want to be a part of the program. 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that it was a week ago 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: that we knew fully and completely over a week ago 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: now that our friend Charlie Kirk was politically assassinated in Utah, 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: and it has been it's been a rough week plus 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: for everybody that I know, everybody that cared about him. 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: One person that did is Frank Turk, and he is 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: an American Christian apologist, author, public speaker, radio host, best 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: known as the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Ministry. 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: And he was literally right next to Charlie. You can 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: see him on the videos if you watch it mere feet, 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, just a few feet away when Charlie Kirk 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: was assassinated and was with him, you know, in the 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath, and was in the car rushing him 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: to the hospital. Here's how he explained part of that experience. 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was literally like a son to me. I 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: have three sons. He was like my fourth son. My 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: three sons are a little bit older than Charlie. He 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: was like my fourth son. So when he was hit, 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: if your son got hit, what would you do? 23 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: What would you do? 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: I got in the car because if there was any 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: way I could save him, I had to do something. 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 4: Nah, I couldn't just well. 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: You just take him. 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 4: You guys got it. 29 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: So they got him into the side of the car. 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: It was an suv. It was the suv. We took over, 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: and I'm on one side and there's actually some video there. 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: Somebody's taking video of this. I'm on one side of 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: the car, the right side, and they're getting Charlie in, 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: so I run over the other side. But the guy 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: was dragging him in there now blocking that entrance. So 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: at that point I run around to the back. I 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: popped the top of the back gate open and I 38 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: jump in the back. The car lurches forward, apparently somebody 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: jumped in the cars. The car lurches forward, so I 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: almost fall out of the car to the SUV. Then 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: I grabbed the thing and close it and there's five 42 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: of us in the car. Now Justin's driving, Dan is 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: up front with the with the GPS. 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 5: Rick has got him. 45 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 2: Rick's on my left, and Brian is there and I'm 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 2: coming over the back seat, and Charlie's laid out in front, 47 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: just right in front of me, and Charlie's so tall 48 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: we can't we can't close the door. 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 5: We drove four. 50 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: Miles someone, I don't know, it's four something miles all 51 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: the way to the hospital with the door open. To 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: this day, I don't know how Brian stayed in the 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: car because we're just go, go, go, go go. We're 54 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: you know, we're trying to do We're trying to stop 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: the bleeding. You saw it, and I'm yelling, come on, try, 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: come on, come on. Meanwhile, my phone is still on. 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: My son and daughter in law here and this whole thing, 58 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: and his security team again justin Dan, Brian and Rick. 59 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: They love Charlie. But they were much cooler than I. 60 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: I mean, they're just carrying out. They're calmly, but they're 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: swiftly doing exactly what they were trained to do. Rick 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: starts praying out loud. I'm praying out loud. We're yelling, 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: come on, let's go, let's go, let's go. My son's 64 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: here and all this, and we're doing the best we 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: can to navigate traffic. 66 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 5: It's not a highway. 67 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: We're on surface streets and suddenly there's an ambulance coming 68 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: toward us, and there was a conversation in the car. 69 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 2: Should we stop. We're like, no, no, just keep going, 70 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: just keep going. The doctor later said that was the 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: right thing to do. Ambulance goes by us. We're still 72 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: heading to the hospital, trying to get there. At one 73 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 2: point somebody says, let's get there in one piece, because 74 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: we're just we're cutting through intersections, you know, just beeping 75 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: the horn. This is not an emergency vehicle. There's no 76 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: there's no lights, there's none of this. And I go, 77 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: we got to start CPR. So I try and start that. Now, 78 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 2: Charlie wasn't there. His eyes were fixed. He wasn't looking 79 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: at me. He was looking past me, right into eternity. 80 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: He was with Jesus already, all right. 81 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: Frank Trek joins us. Now I have a hard time 82 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: listening to that. I know most of this audience does 83 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: as well. I can't imagine you know this, Charlie was 84 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: a guy, and maybe he should go back to talk 85 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: about your experience with him that years ago he had 86 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: reached out to you for mentorship in terms of being 87 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: able to better message either his Christian faith and apologetics 88 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: and have better answers for these young people that he 89 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: spoke to often on college campuses. 90 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: That's right, Sean. He wanted to persuade young people that 91 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: Jesus had risen from the dead and by trusting in him, 92 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 4: anyone could have their sins forgiven and then given his 93 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 4: righteousness and eternity. He wanted to be persuasive about that. 94 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: And I'd been doing that on college campuses for many years, 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 4: just found at the level Charlie was doing it. And 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: so he had discovered me online and about five years 97 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: ago reached out and we'd been fast friends ever since. 98 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: And Sean, you know this because you've been with Charlie 99 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: privately as well, and everybody says the same thing. Charlie 100 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: was the same wonderful person on and off the stage. 101 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 4: In fact, the only thing that surpassed his intellect was 102 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 4: his humility. He would ask me questions all the time, 103 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 4: and how'd I do on this, and how'd I do 104 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 4: on that? And how could I do better? He was 105 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: so confident when he got on stage, but off stage, 106 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 4: when he was in learning mode, he just wanted to 107 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 4: learn from everybody, and he loved everybody, and he wanted 108 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: what was best for everybody, and that's just such a 109 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: tragedy to see this. 110 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: Happen like many Americans. And I brought this up on 111 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: TV with you last night. What amazed me? And I 112 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: did know Charlie and I saw Charlie at the White 113 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: House the last time I was there, interviewing President Trump, 114 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: and I thanked him. I thanked him for everything that 115 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: he and his organization had done to impact young people 116 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: and get them out to the polls. But I did 117 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: not know how deep this faith of his went until 118 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: last weekend, and I found myself compelled to watch video 119 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: after video after video. They're all over YouTube, by the way. 120 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: I urged young people especially to watch them. And obviously 121 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: this was what defined him. I got to know Bob Occoy, 122 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: who is his personal pastor. What a wonderful guy he is, 123 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: like you, yes, and he had some incredible people around 124 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: him advising him, watching out for him, guiding him. And 125 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: then you'd watch him or him and Erica, you know, 126 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: give advice to young people. Wow, things you're not going 127 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: to hear on a college campus very often, pastor, which 128 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: is you know, against cook up culture, against how men 129 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: should treat women, you know, don't be the kid throwing 130 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: up in the bushes and living your life that way. 131 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: You know, have a purpose in your life, find a 132 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: church in your life. I mean, these are not things 133 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: that are regularly discussed, sadly anymore on college campuses. 134 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: No, they're not, Sean And that was why Charlie was 135 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 4: such a beacon of light on the college campus and 136 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: how he wanted to reach out to young people, and 137 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: that's why he spent so much time, and I was 138 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: part of that, helping him get prepared to answer any 139 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 4: and every possible question a young person could have, every 140 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: objection a young person could have, whether it's about morality, 141 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: whether it's about sexuality, whether it's about marriage, whether it's 142 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: about the Bible and certain verses in the Bible, whether 143 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 4: the Bible was even true. All of those questions were 144 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 4: questions that Charlie trained himself on and and called people 145 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: around him into a circle to help him with. He 146 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: was somebody that at thirty one years old, Shawn did 147 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: more than most than ten million people do in eighty 148 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 4: years of life. I mean, the guy was just incredible 149 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: and I was just so privileged to know him and 150 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 4: to help him for those for five of those thirty 151 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 4: one short years. 152 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 5: Explain how you ended up going to this event. 153 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 4: Well, Charlie had. Charlie and I had met about four 154 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 4: times this past summer to train for this tour, and 155 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: when I was out in Phoenix in August, he said, look, 156 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 4: I got to go overseas for a few days. You know. 157 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 4: He took a seventy two hour trip to Korea and Japan. Sean, 158 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 4: that's how That's how dedicated this guy is. Seventy two 159 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: hours in Phoenix, back, he hits two countries, he preaches 160 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: the gospel in Japan. Then he comes back and he says, Frank, 161 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: when I get back, we got three days before the 162 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 4: first event. Can you help me for those first two 163 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 4: and then come to the event if you'd like the 164 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 4: third day. But of course, so the third day, after 165 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: we had spent plenty of time the previous too. I 166 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 4: was there, just as you say, feet away when that 167 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 4: shot rang out, and I just thought to myself, Sean, 168 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: I've been worried about this. I thought somebody at some 169 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 4: point was going to take a shot at Charlie. And 170 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: I always thought to myself, if I was there, what 171 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: would I do? Because I'm a Navy veteran, and in 172 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 4: Navy you always have emergency procedures you practice. If something 173 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 4: like this happens, what do you do? You think about 174 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 4: it before it happens. And so when it happened, I 175 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 4: knew what I was going to do. I was going 176 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 4: to try and get in that car, trying to help 177 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: him anyway I could. And if there's any comfort at 178 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 4: all to our audience, Charlie didn't experience any pain. He 179 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 4: was gone the moment the bullet hit him. We were 180 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 4: trying against hope to try and save him, but there 181 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 4: was nothing we could do it. If we were closer 182 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 4: to the hospital wouldn't matter. Faster the hospital wouldn't matter. 183 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: The surgeon later said, Now he was gone immediately. 184 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: You know, in the course of my career, which now 185 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: spans decades, two people my kids wanted to meet Donald 186 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: try and Charlie Kirk and my son got to meet 187 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: him at an event that I spoke at a number 188 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: of years ago with Charlie there and and he was 189 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: thrilled to meet him. And my son wrote me as 190 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: soon as this happened, and he was just being realistic. 191 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: My son is very rooted in reality. He goes, Dad, 192 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: there's no way he can survive that, and I said, 193 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: we don't know that. Pray for him and we're going 194 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: to hope for the best. But there was a moment 195 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: of hope in the hospital. I mean, you tell him 196 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: the story that you're rushing him from that from his seat. 197 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: After he is, you know, literally bleeding out in front 198 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: of the world. You get him in a car, he 199 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: can't even close the door. You're racing to the hospital. 200 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: It's about four four and a half minute ride. And 201 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: then something magical happened in the hospital and tell us 202 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: what happened. 203 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 4: Well, as soon as we got in, you know, the 204 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 4: whole team started working on him. And about ten minutes after, 205 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: they said, because we're all praying, come on, come on, 206 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 4: do something, get get give us some hope. And one 207 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: doctor said, okay, we got a pulse. So we were saying, okay, 208 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: maybe there's hope here, Maybe there's hope. But about a 209 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 4: half hour later, the main surgeon came down and said 210 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 4: he's gone. And the reason they got a pulse, Sean, 211 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: was because he was a healthy young man and you 212 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: could restart the heart. Even though the neck wound was catastrophic. 213 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 4: He couldn't have survived it so. 214 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, when anyone looks at that video and you're 215 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: right next to him and that blood is gushing out 216 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: at that rapid rate, I don't know how you stopped 217 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: the bleeding. I actually spoke with a doctor who said, 218 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: even if you had a operating table right next to 219 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: where he was, the odds of saving him were next 220 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: to zero. 221 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 5: That broke my heart. 222 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, Sean. But if he were to die, 223 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: he died as quickly as possible and that's the only 224 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 4: saving grace. Now, of course we're seeing such an amazing revile. 225 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: It seems, Sean an interest in Jesus and interest in salvation, 226 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: and interest in becoming a disciple, and interest in spiritual things. 227 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 4: I mean, Sean, I'm getting comments on the interview we 228 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: did last night in YouTube. There are people from Australia, 229 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 4: there are people from Denmark, there are people from London. 230 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 4: There's people all over the country going I was an 231 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: atheist now I'm a Christian because of Charlie Kirk. Sean. 232 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 4: I mean, have you. 233 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: Seen how much I think there's fifty nearly sixty thousand 234 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: requests now for Turning Point USA chapters at college campuses. 235 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 5: Crazy amount. 236 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 4: They had twousand, two weeks ago, two thousand chapters. Now 237 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 4: they have requests for sixty two thousand Sean. 238 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: Wow, what an impact can you explain? Because I knew 239 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: more of the political side of Charlie. Now I know 240 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: all of Charlie and through the videos. What was so 241 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: unique about this as he went into these hostile environments 242 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: and he did two things. I think it was extraordinarily 243 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: brilliant when you really think about it. One is, you 244 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: would take on all comers. You don't prove me wrong, 245 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: as he would say, and you'd watch these kids go 246 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: up to the microphone, you're a fascist, You're you're a racist, 247 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: and all right, tell me one thing that I've ever said, 248 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: you're a fascist, you're a racist. None, Just give me 249 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: one example. They could never answer number one. Number two 250 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: is then the advice that they gave. And I don't 251 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: think you can really underestimate the impact of a young person, 252 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it would come across the 253 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: same way if I said it, and or compared to 254 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: how powerful it was when he and Erica would advise 255 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: these young kids and say, yeah, hookup culture is not good. Yeah, 256 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: getting into a good church is a good idea. Na 257 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: we don't drink if you want to, okay, but don't 258 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: be the kid throwing up in the bushes and just 259 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: you know what to how to act and how to 260 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: treat each other. Was that was the inspiring part to me. 261 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: It was inspiring Sean, and it was inspiring across generations. 262 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 4: I have a friend who's a pastor who was he's 263 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 4: a grandfather and he said his granddaughter was crying. So 264 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 4: you've got people from all generations who were impacted by 265 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk and Sean. I mean to call a guy 266 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 4: who says, if you disagree with me, come to the 267 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 4: front of the line, let me give you the microphone 268 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 4: so you can make your case. To call a guy 269 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 4: like that a fascist is a complete contradiction. The guy 270 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: that shot him is a fascist, okay, because fascist don't 271 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 4: give the microphone to their opponents who say, you've got 272 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: the floor, go ahead. I mean, it's completely absurd what 273 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: they're trying to do to Charlie's reputation. As you pointed 274 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 4: out earlier, nobody can really point to anything that supports 275 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: any of the claims they make about this great man. 276 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: Frank, if you can stay anund the minute, Frank, Tirk 277 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: is with us, an American Christian apologist, author, speaker of 278 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: radio host in his own right, founder and president of 279 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: the Christian Apologetics Ministry. He has a website cross examine 280 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: dot org. One or two more questions on the other side, Pastor, 281 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: if you have the time, we'll come back. I know 282 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: you're speaking this weekend on Sunday at this big memorial 283 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: that's taking place in Glendale. Will continue with that on 284 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: the other side as we continue our coverage, our final 285 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: moments with Frank Turk, an American Christian apologist. He has 286 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: a website, by the way, if you want to learn 287 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: more about what he's doing and his work, cross examined 288 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: dot org. And he was a friend mentor to Charlie 289 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: Kirk and he was standing right next to him when 290 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: he was assassinated. He views Charlie and viewed Charlie at 291 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: like a fourth son. Here's my last question, Pastor, because 292 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: I think it's critical at this moment. It's sad that 293 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: it takes moments like this for us to get on 294 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: our knees and pray and reflect and appreciate the gift 295 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: of life which can be taken in the blink of 296 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: an eye. I think all too often we do take 297 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things in our lives for granted. And 298 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: you were mentoring Charlie, and he saw brought you out, 299 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: which is incredible. And he wanted to find Tuna's arguments, 300 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: and he wanted to be smarter. And what would he 301 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: say to people young and old that listen to this 302 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: radio program today, you know, heading into his funeral and 303 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: memorial this. 304 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: Weekend, He would say, Sean, that Jesus is the most 305 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 4: important subject and the most important person in anyone's life 306 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: if you follow the truth where it leads, because Jesus 307 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 4: came to take our punishment upon himself. He lived the 308 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 4: perfect life in our place, and by trusting in him, 309 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: all of the punishment do us goes upon him. And 310 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: then we are not only forgiven for what we've done, 311 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 4: we are given Jesus's righteousness, so we can be reconciled 312 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: to God the Father. Because Caseean, look, God is infinitely just, 313 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: and I know I have not been infinitely just. So 314 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: if he's infinitely just, he has to punish me, and 315 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: I need somebody then to take my punishment for me. 316 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: The only place he can find somebody to take that 317 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 4: punishment for me is in himself because he's innocent, so 318 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: he adds humanity to his deity, comes to earth, lives 319 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 4: a perfect life in our place, and allows the creatures 320 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 4: that rebelled against him to torture and kill him so 321 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: he could take our punishment upon himself. It's not about 322 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 4: doing good works. Good works don't get you to heaven. 323 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: Good works a result of the fact that you are 324 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 4: going to heaven because you love Jesus and what He's 325 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: done for you. So that would be Charlie's primary message. 326 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 4: Everything after that would be secondary but important, like family, 327 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 4: like making sure we have a government to protect innocent 328 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: people from evil, and thankfully now we do, Sean in 329 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: the past administration, we didn't, as you know, as you 330 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: so eloquently point out every night. So the most important 331 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: thing is Jesus, because you're going to be dead a 332 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: lot longer than you're going to be alive. So get 333 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 4: right with God except what Christ has done, and then 334 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 4: take care of your family and take care of your neighbors. 335 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: We've all sinned, pastor and fallen short of the glory 336 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: of God. You know, if there's one bit of comfort 337 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: from a Christian perspective that we can take out of this, 338 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, is Jesus' own description of heaven. You know, 339 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: the eye have not seen, nor had the ear heard, 340 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: nor has it entered in the hearts of man what 341 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: God has instored for those who love the truth. 342 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 5: Let not your heart be troubled. 343 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: At my father's house, there are many mansions, and I 344 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: go to prepare a place for you. And I say 345 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: that all the time. And I know you're friends with 346 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: my dear friend David Limbaugh, who's written on apologetics himself 347 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: and has actually helped me in my faith. He's been 348 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: my agent since the beginning of my career and a 349 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: dear friend and a brilliant writer in his own right. 350 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 4: He wrote over to our book, I don't have enough 351 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 4: faith to be an atheist. David's been a friend for 352 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: over twenty five years, and he speaks so highly of you, 353 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: And I know that at one of. 354 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: His doors, I've been able to pull it over over 355 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: on him all that time. 356 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 5: Pastor what's that you have? 357 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm teasing, Yeah, if he speaks highly of me, I 358 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: don't know, does he really know? Look, I just I 359 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: just appreciate what people like you do. I just appreciate 360 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: that people like you, Bob McCoy and all these wonderful 361 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: people were in Charlie's life. It's we know he's in paradise. 362 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: Remember when Jesus was on the cross, and you know 363 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: there's one person on one side, one person on the 364 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: other side, one person mocking him. If you're the Christ, 365 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: you know, we'll take us down from this cross, and 366 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: the other guy saying. 367 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 5: I deserve this. I belong here. You don't. 368 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: And he turned his head and said, this day you 369 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: will be with me in paradise. I believe in the 370 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: promise of Heaven. 371 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 5: I really do. 372 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, Sean. The body present with the Lord, 373 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 4: and that's what happens. People go and be with Jesus immediately. 374 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 4: That's where Charlie was when we got him in the 375 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: car aster. 376 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had to live through that, but I'm 377 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: on the other hand, I'm glad people like you were 378 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: there with him. I know it meant the world to him, 379 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: and I know you'll see him again. We appreciate all 380 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: you work. Pastor. 381 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you so much, Sean. Thanks for having 382 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 4: me on to talk about it. It helps. 383 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: Ross Examined dot org is the website. Frank Turk, thank you. 384 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: Eight hundred nine four one Sean, if you want to 385 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: be a part of the program. John in Los Angeles, 386 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: k E I B. 387 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 5: What's up? John? How are you. 388 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: Good? Afternoon? Such an honor to speak with. 389 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 5: You, honors all mine. Thank you. 390 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: I got to tell you when when I learned that 391 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 4: he had been shot, not that he had passed, but 392 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: when he had been a shot, it was the first 393 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 4: time in the years that I've been compelled with all 394 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 4: to my knees and pray Charlie. He was thirty years old, 395 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 4: thirty one years old. I'm sixty, and this is a 396 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: man that I looked up to and admired. He did 397 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 4: more in ten years of being active than anybody does 398 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 4: in the course of several lifetimes. And to have the 399 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 4: impact that he's had, not only here in the United 400 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 4: States but around the world. Newsmatch was reporting today that 401 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 4: Queen Elizabeth herself even admired Charlie and the work he 402 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 4: had done was turning point. UK, what power this man had, 403 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 4: and that can only come from one source that you 404 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: guys have covered, It comes from God. 405 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: Well, if I could encourage him one thing, if this, 406 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: if this got you on your knees the first time 407 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: stayed there, you know, the place you'd never want to 408 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: be in life, in my view, my humble view, and 409 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 1: I really have no right to offer advice, but I'm 410 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: going to do it anyway, is is I The last 411 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: thing you want is to be arrogant in this life. 412 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: The best place to be in your life is on 413 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: your knees and humble. I just believe that. And I 414 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: think that's when I'm at my best self in life. 415 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, moments like this, you know, 416 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, puts us there, and I think you know, 417 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: to the extent we can build on that. I think 418 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: that would make Charlie very happy. 419 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 5: I believe that. 420 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: I do agree completely than I know im. I thank you, 421 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 4: thank you for taking my call. 422 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: Show Thanks, thank you, John, appreciate it. All right, quick break, 423 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: we'll come right back. We'll get to your phone calls 424 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: straight ahead. Eight hundred and ninety four one Sean if 425 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: you want to be a part of the program. George 426 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: Twilliger will join US former US Deputy Attorney General to 427 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: discuss the FBI probe Arctic Frost, more evidence of nothing 428 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: but deep state corruption and at targeting of conservative groups, 429 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: including Charlie Kirk's turning point USA is evidence is come 430 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: out this week. We'll get an update on that. Then 431 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: we'll get more of your calls in on this Friday. 432 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: Right back to our busy phones. Eight hundred and ninety 433 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: four one, Shawn our number if you want to be 434 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: a part of the program. 435 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 5: Kate is in Utah. Kate, how are you? 436 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry for all the people in Utah. I 437 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: know that they've been deeply impacted by all this, especially 438 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: people around the university. 439 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't at the event. That everybody across the 440 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: country and the world is impacted because. 441 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 4: They saw it. 442 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: Hey, Shawn, is the assassination Charlie Kirk reaches the one 443 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: week point. It's kind of been disturbing to me how 444 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: much talk show hosts and Fox News personalities are ringing 445 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: their hands and talking about how troubling it is when 446 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: someone gets canceled. Jimmy Kimmel lied. He referred to the 447 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: assassin as a kid. He's twenty one. He wasn't a kid. 448 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 5: It was thirty one. 449 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, No, I think it wasn't he twenty one. 450 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 5: No, he was thirty one when he was assassinated. 451 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: Oh, I mean the assassin was twenty one. 452 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'm sorry. I misunderstood you. I apologize. 453 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: Oh, no, worry. Kim O referred to the assassin as 454 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: a kid, and it's like, no, he's not a kid. 455 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 3: You can go to war, you can vote, You're an 456 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: adult at that point. That's probably part of the culture problem, 457 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 3: is referring to twenty one year olds as kids. He's 458 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: an adult. Brian kill Me said, he helps kim O 459 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 3: comes back. It's like there's no comparison between those that 460 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: have tried to cancel conservatives and those that have been canceled, terminated, 461 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 3: or expelled from school in the last week for dancing 462 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 3: like demons and seeing vile things at the assassination of 463 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. And you know, the people on Flyover care 464 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 3: about conservatives and being canceled and about conservative business is 465 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: being adversely impacted that Sean, this isn't uh, this isn't 466 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: about you know, talk show hosts ability to speak without 467 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: fear of being canceled, or about ratings. This is about 468 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 3: the assassination of a beloved star. I'm going to carry 469 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: faith leader. Some of them gay young people, specifically young men. 470 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 3: Hope Disney or ABC did the right thing. At this 471 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: moment in time, we just need to let it be 472 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 3: called evil. Evil. This is a revolution. No apologies, this 473 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: is a revolution. 474 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: And you could you could take one observation out of 475 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: Himmel's comments, and he's been repulsive before. And it's a 476 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: joke because he just he's celebrated when conservatives got fired. 477 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: So you know, save me the the phony tears and outrage. 478 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: ABC made this decision, and uh, that's what happened. And 479 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: you have low ratings and then you have reduced revenues. 480 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: That's just a part of television and radio. I've lived 481 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: with the pressure of audience size my entire career. That's 482 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: part of the business. But I will tell you he's 483 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: just not a nice human being. This is a guy 484 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: that wanted sympathy from the country and he got it 485 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: when and when he was dealing with issues involving his 486 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: own child and and just callously saying the things that 487 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: he said. Nobody could. No conservative was calling for us firing. 488 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: You know, people tried to say, well, Donald Trump said no, 489 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump said Kimmel's next, because he knew his ratings 490 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: awful and that his show is awful, and awful shows 491 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: with awful ratings don't don't continue to exist in the 492 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: real world, right. 493 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: And if it took the if the vile things he 494 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 3: said was the last straw, great. I don't think anybody 495 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 3: should apologize. We don't. We do that too much and 496 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: that gives that gives win to the sales of the 497 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 3: people that try to spin things that Donald Trump says, 498 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: or try to this wasn't a or try to pin 499 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: things like this on conservatives. This wasn't a conservative that 500 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 3: got him fired. Okay, maybe it was his ratings and 501 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: other things. Maybe maybe the ass was going to fall eventually, 502 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 3: but you know what, they did it at this moment 503 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: in time, and it was because of pressure by Sinclair 504 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: and the other conglomerate's great people are this is enough? 505 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: Well, remember there are a lot of their stations. If 506 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: the Fox had a map on yesterday, I didn't know 507 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: much about either one of the groups, and they had 508 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: a map of where these stations were, and there was 509 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: maybe three stations I saw in California. You know, the 510 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: problem is is one of the reasons for the failure 511 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: of late night comedy shows, besides not being funny, besides 512 00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: being you know, bitterly partisan and political. The deposite of Leto, 513 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: of the opposite of Carson is the fact that they 514 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: were catering to the you know, the left coast and 515 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: the east coast and the coastal elites, and the rest 516 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: of this country is all red, and that that part 517 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: of the country tuned them out in droves. 518 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: Well, it's it's a it's a it's now a pretty 519 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: tried and true business model, from you know, bud Light 520 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 3: to the Sydney Sweeney ad. We're tired of it. The 521 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: middle we you know, it was the election proved it 522 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: bared it out. You know, we're done. I mean, we're 523 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 3: not trying to cancel anybody. They can cancel themselves because 524 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: people are, like you said, there's a revolution. We're calling 525 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: evil evil and we're sick of it. 526 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Appreciate the call, Kate, Thank you so much for being 527 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: with us. Eight hundred and nine shown is a number 528 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: if you want to be a part of the program.