WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 115

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<v Speaker 1>F Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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<v Speaker 2>you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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<v Speaker 2>of the week that just happened is here in one

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<v Speaker 2>convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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<v Speaker 2>you can make your own decisions. Oh my goodness, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it could happen here a podcast that is about things

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<v Speaker 2>falling apart are Dystopian now and tomorrow, And for the

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<v Speaker 2>last several days has been heavily about the Consumer Electronics Show,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a huge event every year where one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty to one hundred and fifty thousand people flood

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<v Speaker 2>into Las Vegas to show off all of the new

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<v Speaker 2>gadgets and to have big, fancy panels on the future

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<v Speaker 2>of technology. And this has been a particularly good year

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<v Speaker 2>for the Dystopia beat. Part of that because the entire

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<v Speaker 2>industry is obsessed right now with artificial intelligence. Now there's

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<v Speaker 2>a couple reasons for this. Every laptop manufacturer is basically

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<v Speaker 2>throwing out laptops with AI assistance. Microsofts is copilot, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing this because laptop sales have stalled a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people, Like the pandemic was great for laptop sales,

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<v Speaker 2>and then people stopped buying them because most people don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to replace their laptops very often. So there's this

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<v Speaker 2>desperate hope that by scaring everybody into thinking they need

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<v Speaker 2>AI immediately, they can get folks to buy a new

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<v Speaker 2>raft of machines. And outside of that, it's just as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're aware, with interest rates where they are, companies,

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<v Speaker 2>Tech companies, particularly startups, are having trouble getting VC money

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<v Speaker 2>venture capital money invested in them. So there's this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of desperate hope that by plugging AI constantly they can

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<v Speaker 2>fill in the gap. So today we have probably in

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<v Speaker 2>a week or two, we're going to have be putting

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<v Speaker 2>out a long investigation based on number of panels we

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<v Speaker 2>went to with executives from Google, from weirdly enough McDonald's,

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<v Speaker 2>from Adobe, from Nvidia, from the Consumer Electronics Association, in

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<v Speaker 2>multiple government agencies including DHS, on what they see as

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<v Speaker 2>the future of AI. That's going to be some pretty

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<v Speaker 2>in depth reporting. But today we want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the AI products that we've been seeing and as a spoiler,

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<v Speaker 2>they're basically all the dumbest shit you've ever heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to introduce our panel today, coming back

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<v Speaker 2>after catching a horrible, horrible lung infection, throat infection, some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of infection. Yeah, Garrison got strep throat and despite

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that we've been hanging out together, I did not,

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<v Speaker 2>which does prove I'm genetically superior. We also have Tavia

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<v Speaker 2>Mora coming back, our technical expert.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello Tavia, Howdy everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>And for the first time on well, no, not for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, for the third time on it could

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<v Speaker 2>happen here, the upcoming host of the cool Zone media

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<v Speaker 2>tech focused show Better Offline ed zitron ed.

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<v Speaker 4>Well Gwan Hello, Yeah, sorry, Hi, Yeah, I hit my

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<v Speaker 4>head on the way and yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a truly awful show this year.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing that I said to Robert yesterday when we

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<v Speaker 4>were talking about the show, and this really stood out

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<v Speaker 4>to me, is if you had told me this was

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty one, I'd have believed you. It doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 4>despite the use of the word AI, it does not

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<v Speaker 4>feel like tech has actually moved that far, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was this period of time after the iPhone

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<v Speaker 2>came out where every year there would be really big

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<v Speaker 2>leaps in the tech you saw. And this part of

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<v Speaker 2>I think why they're leaning on AI so heavily is

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise it's just the same laptop, smartphones, speakers, connected gadgets,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, autonomous cars and shit that we've been seeing

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<v Speaker 2>for years and they really haven't jumped forward much. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the downside of that is a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But the upside of that is people are increasingly cramming

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<v Speaker 2>AI into insane shit in the hopes that somebody will

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<v Speaker 2>want to buy it. And so I want to start

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<v Speaker 2>off ed since you are not just our newest host,

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<v Speaker 2>but also a Las Vegas native, I think people could

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<v Speaker 2>probably assume that from your Vegas accent. Yes, natural, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>What is your favorite or the first AI product do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to get into today?

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<v Speaker 5>I want to talk about the rabbit. The rabbit are one?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god? Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So this thing is a square box and I can't

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<v Speaker 4>tell if it acts without your phone or with your phone,

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<v Speaker 4>but it uses AI. You you speak into it like

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<v Speaker 4>a walkie talkie and it does a series of actions

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<v Speaker 4>based on what you say, so it can do all

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<v Speaker 4>the things that Siri could do five years ago, like

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<v Speaker 4>change music and start. But it also has like a

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<v Speaker 4>three hundred and sixty degree camera which can Based on

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<v Speaker 4>the extremely awkward and agonizing how a long demo twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five minutes, but bon me, it felt like an hour,

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<v Speaker 4>it can look at a picture of Rick Castley and

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<v Speaker 4>start very and after several agonizing seconds stop playing never

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<v Speaker 4>give you Up. It can also, it claims, do a

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<v Speaker 4>series of nuanced actions like you can say, get me

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<v Speaker 4>a cab home and also put on my tunes and

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<v Speaker 4>also change the air conditioned at seventy four degrees, all

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<v Speaker 4>in one one sentence. Now you may think, why do

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<v Speaker 4>I need to spend two hundred dollars on a device

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<v Speaker 4>to do this? And the answer is you don't. You

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<v Speaker 4>do not need to. This thing looks cool, and on

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<v Speaker 4>some level, I'm just glad we're getting new tat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the design is not bad. It's like a square.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like it's maybe two two and a half

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<v Speaker 2>inches by two and a half inches or so something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Yeah, a little screen. It's like well designed

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<v Speaker 2>from an industrial design standpoint, and I think the big Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like it's just that it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>basically a seri that can use at, it can use Uber,

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<v Speaker 2>it could book a flight for you. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things they show is it like planning a vacation in

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<v Speaker 2>London for you, which does seem to kind of go

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<v Speaker 2>against the point of like going somewhere new and like

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out what you want to do there, as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to it's basically pulling from a list I'm sure in

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<v Speaker 2>the AI wrote of like top ten things to do

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<v Speaker 2>in London.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just very weird because all of these tech guys,

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<v Speaker 4>who they very loudly claim their free spirits, they're independent

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<v Speaker 4>and not control by any authority, they cannot be manipulated,

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<v Speaker 4>all desperately want a machine to tell them exactly what

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<v Speaker 4>the hell to do with their lives. And it's so

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<v Speaker 4>bizarre because they we were discussing the different articles about this,

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<v Speaker 4>and people trying to argue oy this thing, these three sis.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, oh, it takes out the friction between all

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<v Speaker 4>these apps. I'm sorry, I just don't think there's that

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<v Speaker 4>much friction.

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<v Speaker 2>Pull out my phone. I'm on Uber, Yes, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>pull out my phone, I pull up grub Hub, I

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<v Speaker 2>order food it's very simple. It's remarkably easy. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see how talking to a square is better, Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>the same, Like I could call someone on the phone

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<v Speaker 2>and do it hands free, or I could text them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always text them because that's more pleasant.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, like, I have my phone open to signal

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<v Speaker 5>right now, I can swipe up, go to Uber and

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<v Speaker 5>less than a second saying the words move from signal

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<v Speaker 5>to the Uber app takes a whole lot longer than

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<v Speaker 5>just doing it with my thumb.

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<v Speaker 2>I also do love the idea of like completely ruining

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<v Speaker 2>the point of Signal, which is an encrypted, extremely secure

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<v Speaker 2>message app, to be like, hey, random box, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to feed my private messages through you and have you

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<v Speaker 2>read them out to me as I go about my day.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what your data retention policy is or

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<v Speaker 2>what you'll be doing with it.

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<v Speaker 5>They sold out and they made two million.

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<v Speaker 2>Dollars, like ten million of them, some ten thousand. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just and it's I've read.

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<v Speaker 4>I read like eleven articles about this thing, because I

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<v Speaker 4>occasionally drive myself insane with these things when I see

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<v Speaker 4>everyone excited about something, but I can't read a single

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<v Speaker 4>article that tells me why I should buy it, even

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<v Speaker 4>though my rap brain says, oh, take with screen I want,

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<v Speaker 4>but then I want to use it. But I'll have

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<v Speaker 4>to explain this to the normal people in my life

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<v Speaker 4>why I have this, And I don't want to do

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<v Speaker 4>that if it's useless. But on top of that, I

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<v Speaker 4>just don't think controlling my life with voice is that useful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm already and I think a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 2>already kind of fed up with the extent to which

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<v Speaker 2>my smartphone is a part of my life. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>like it does irreplaceable tasks at the moment for me,

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<v Speaker 2>So I have it. This thing is number one adding

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<v Speaker 2>a device because I think it does require your phone.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also, like you know, in addition to the

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<v Speaker 2>current problems I have with privacy on my smartphone, I

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<v Speaker 2>am adding another company and another device and another set

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<v Speaker 2>of security potential security flaws to it.

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<v Speaker 4>But on top of that, the thing they have failed

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<v Speaker 4>to explain anywhere, and no journalist apparently is interrogate them

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<v Speaker 4>about this is they claim this thing can log onto

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<v Speaker 4>your Uber and make a flight booking, ostensibly having your

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<v Speaker 4>passport information, your date of birth, and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>First and foremost. That's like you mentioned, the data retention

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<v Speaker 4>policy is very strange. But where is this crap all happening?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it happening on my phone? Is my phone just

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<v Speaker 4>doing all this? I refuse to believe that. So you're

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<v Speaker 4>doing this in the kind of virtual machine environment, how

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<v Speaker 4>is that possible? Surely these companies are going to have

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<v Speaker 4>a problem with that. Mark Sullivan for Fast Company. Actually,

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<v Speaker 4>I think ask them this and they were like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they'll be fine with it. They just want people using

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<v Speaker 4>their apps. I do not think they're going to be

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<v Speaker 4>fine with this. Companies hate it when they hand off

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<v Speaker 4>power from the user, who will still be liable to

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<v Speaker 4>another computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, the other thing is just that, like part

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<v Speaker 2>of me kind of suspects And when you watch the video,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll play a clip from it in a second. The

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<v Speaker 2>CEO of Rabbit very clearly, like a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 2>in tech, wants to be Steve Jobs. And I will

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<v Speaker 2>say one thing I kind of suspect that might actually

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<v Speaker 2>be that would be a Steve Jobs move is he

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<v Speaker 2>may have just been hoping that this thing coming out

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<v Speaker 2>selling a shitload on free order and getting huge buzz

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<v Speaker 2>would force these companies after the fact to allow integration,

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<v Speaker 2>like he may just be gambling, Like if I get

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<v Speaker 2>enough buzz behind me, Uber and whatnot will come to

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<v Speaker 2>the table and be willing to work with me, because

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly this is like the Hippus new gadget.

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<v Speaker 4>Except ten thousand customers is actually not that many, and

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<v Speaker 4>I actually look forward to I really can't wait for

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<v Speaker 4>what two months to pass people to get this and

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<v Speaker 4>someone to end up like sending the word penis to

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<v Speaker 4>their or company slack because they wanted to order pizza,

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<v Speaker 4>and on top of that, ordering a fly, ordering an Uber.

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<v Speaker 4>These are actually nuanced actions. Coming to Mandeley Bay toenite

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<v Speaker 4>Uber took me to the wrong place because it decided

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<v Speaker 4>it wanted to go to the convention center. I did

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<v Speaker 4>not select that. If you go to the airport, you

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<v Speaker 4>need to put in Southwest Airlines.

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<v Speaker 5>And what have you. With grabhab you need to do

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<v Speaker 5>little bits.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just most people don't order lunch, they order something

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<v Speaker 4>for lunch, and I just don't. Ah, this whole thing

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<v Speaker 4>just feels useless.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. See, for me, it's the additional level of abstraction

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<v Speaker 3>on top of these already abstracted apps that we use

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<v Speaker 3>to order our basic necessities like eating and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It worries me in sort of like a fantasy dystopic way.

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<v Speaker 3>What happens when people suddenly don't use it after getting

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<v Speaker 3>used to using it? Like what are they going to know?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they going to know how to operate a door

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<v Speaker 3>dash app? Are they going to know how to book

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<v Speaker 3>a flight? That kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is kind of because one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>there was a c neet review that said, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the potential of this is that it completely removes physical

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<v Speaker 2>use of a device. So you're using these apps, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're just a part of your life. Uber is just

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<v Speaker 2>a thing you to You never look at anything when

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<v Speaker 2>you do it, And I'm like, is that better? Like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like the idea that you basically have a

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<v Speaker 2>robot that you treat as like your nanny that plans

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<v Speaker 2>your life for you. Like the amount of hype over

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<v Speaker 2>there will be a more concerted piece about this coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>But the first thing I thought when I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>all these guys talking about how cool it was to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to just tell a robot to book your

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<v Speaker 2>flight and plan your travel and book your hotels for you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like part of the experience of traveling, and like

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<v Speaker 2>choosing things to do is like one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that traveling is. And the desire so many people have

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<v Speaker 2>to hand off elements of choice really reminds me of

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<v Speaker 2>like cult dynamics. And I don't think this is a

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<v Speaker 2>consumer thing. I think this is specifically a weird subculture

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<v Speaker 2>of tech people of AI people, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>same folks who got into NFTs. But this desire, like

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<v Speaker 2>life is so complex and scary, I want to hand

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<v Speaker 2>over all of my agency to a robot. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing that is behind a lot of like why

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<v Speaker 2>people join cults. And I don't think this is a

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<v Speaker 2>pro societal problem, but I think it is a weird

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<v Speaker 2>problem with the group of people who are most excited

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<v Speaker 2>to have a fucking rabbit.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like a sad thing to me that folks

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<v Speaker 3>might only attend bars or restaurants that are rated like

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<v Speaker 3>four point five and above that's decided by something else, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and they don't get to have this like experience of

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<v Speaker 3>walking into like the sedious bar you've ever seen in

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<v Speaker 3>your life and have like maybe possibly like a life

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<v Speaker 3>changing experience.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just in South Korea and we went to

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<v Speaker 4>this fried chicken place that ended up being close actually

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<v Speaker 4>was like we opened but nobody was there, which made

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<v Speaker 4>me just want to leave before getting killed. And so

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<v Speaker 4>I just went to a random chicken place across the

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<v Speaker 4>road from my hotel, and I thought, well, it'll feed me.

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<v Speaker 4>It was wonderful, it was delightful, and it was I

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<v Speaker 4>could not find any reviews for it. It was just

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<v Speaker 4>a flipping place. And I don't I think these people

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<v Speaker 4>who are desperate for a device like this, this kind

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<v Speaker 4>of weird nanny device. First of all, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>they think about the practicalities of this. I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>this is quicker or easier better. But also they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I wish I could just say one thing and all

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<v Speaker 4>of these things could happen for me. Same people, by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, who are saying that people need to pull

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<v Speaker 4>themselves up by their bootstraps and do things for themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just I don't know if they'd even call it dystopian.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just weird and sad to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of weird and sad, we're going to move on

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<v Speaker 2>to the next product in a second, but first I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta play everybody in case you haven't seen it or

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<v Speaker 2>heard it? The CEO of Rabbit trying to rickroll the

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<v Speaker 2>audience with his hell device. Have you seen this, Garrison?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, eyes on the screen. Everybody to activate the eye,

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<v Speaker 2>just double tap the button. Oh funny seeing you here, Rick.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me take a look. I'm never gonna give you up.

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<v Speaker 3>Now enjoying.

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<v Speaker 5>What am I getting Rick rolled in my own kenotes?

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<v Speaker 5>Let's move on to the next one. All right, I

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<v Speaker 5>have a question real quick.

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<v Speaker 4>So what is the functionality he just activated? Is it

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<v Speaker 4>that you just put you point the eye at something

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<v Speaker 4>and it chooses an Actually the.

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<v Speaker 2>I automatically see Rick Astley and choose to play one

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<v Speaker 2>specific song of his. Because that actually doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 2>a feature. That seems like a bug.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that seems like what happens if it sees certain people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jeffrey Epstein, Yeah, what happens if it sees Jeffrey Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>plays children screaming like what is wow? Is this thing work?

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<v Speaker 4>Booking trips to Florida?

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<v Speaker 2>It I maybe it's respectable that they showed how bad

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<v Speaker 2>the lag is because that moment where there's quiet after

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<v Speaker 2>he like clicks on it is like it's loading it's

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<v Speaker 2>processing for a considerable period of time.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just also I feel for the bloke because

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<v Speaker 4>I know he was probably so excited to do this

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<v Speaker 4>and he's like, I'm gonna be Steve Jobs. But man,

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<v Speaker 4>when you can't perform, you don't perform.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, that's bad delivery.

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<v Speaker 4>Did I just get Rick rolled in my own video?

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<v Speaker 4>It was like that, I forget what the movie's called.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh high Mark, Yeah it is, and obviously like English

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<v Speaker 2>is the reverse language, but like it's a performance. You like,

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<v Speaker 2>you practice, right, you get coached and stuff because you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to represent your company.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I tell you this from experience as I've run

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<v Speaker 4>a PR firm. Yeah, that guy actually did practice because

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<v Speaker 4>all of that was his actual timing wasn't bad. He

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<v Speaker 4>just does not have that dog in him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, you bring in other people to do like

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<v Speaker 2>that anyway, and everybody, anyone, anyone's mind on the rabbit

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<v Speaker 2>changed having seen that. Absolutely not Garrison has a look

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<v Speaker 2>on their face.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it's just like what I've always wanted in a

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<v Speaker 5>tech gadget is be able to point at three to

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<v Speaker 5>sixty five degree camera at a picture of a musician

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<v Speaker 5>and then wait thirty seconds and then have an AI

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<v Speaker 5>pick a random song of theirs. That's always what I

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<v Speaker 5>wanted for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's that's the dream of fucking Archimedes had.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right he was when he was building his laser.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right that we all saw in the most recent

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones film. Speaking of the most recent Indiana Jones film,

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast is entirely sponsored by that movie. So here's

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<v Speaker 2>some other ads.

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<v Speaker 5>Why are we giving free advertising to Disney? Why are we.

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<v Speaker 6>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that movie was so close to being worth it

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<v Speaker 2>that last twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>They fully committed, They fully get it.

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<v Speaker 2>No Nazis machine gunning Roman Legion.

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty funny, It's pretty funny. Well, do you know who

0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.320
<v Speaker 5>would have loved cees our our comedian is probably yes,

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<v Speaker 5>he probably would have would have had a great time.

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<v Speaker 5>What what next AI product do we want to talk about?

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<v Speaker 5>How about the pet one Garrison?

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<v Speaker 2>You saw that?

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<v Speaker 5>All right? So I think I think I think me

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<v Speaker 5>and Ed both saw chat GPT for animals. Yeah damn,

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<v Speaker 5>which is not really what it is saying. It's like

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<v Speaker 5>it it scans a picture of your dog and then

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<v Speaker 5>tries to tell you if it has any health problem.

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<v Speaker 5>It's based on that picture. It's it's it's You're not

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<v Speaker 5>you're not actually talking to your dog or anything. It

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<v Speaker 5>just it takes pictures of animals and then it analyzes

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<v Speaker 5>it to tell you how the dog is feeling. Blah

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<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah blah, it's it's. I saw a product

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<v Speaker 5>like this earlier at CES. I saw a product. I

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<v Speaker 5>saw a product like this last year. They're just calling

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<v Speaker 5>it chat GPT because it's an AI name. It's it's

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hip like because people people, they're that that will

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<v Speaker 2>make people spend money off.

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<v Speaker 4>It was every CES I see something that begins to

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<v Speaker 4>make me disassociate and I walk I walked past there

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<v Speaker 4>and blovo the chat GPT, and my brain was just

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<v Speaker 4>like could you just like start like glitching out? And

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<v Speaker 4>then when I went to look it up, as Garrison did,

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<v Speaker 4>I was so disappointed because I hope that these would

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<v Speaker 4>just crackpots. So like, yep, you put the microphone to

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<v Speaker 4>your dog. Now you know what your dog's saying that

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<v Speaker 4>I would respect even if it didn't work, just if

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<v Speaker 4>you're like, yeah, fuck it, yeah, your cat's said he

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<v Speaker 4>hates your Your cat's been radicalized.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>See there's a fun product in here, which is you

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<v Speaker 2>sell to rubes and a product that you're like it

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<v Speaker 2>translates your dog's micro expressions into language. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>actual paying customers are sickos like us, and you just

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<v Speaker 2>take control of somebody's pets voice.

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<v Speaker 5>That would be so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have their like, yeah, your cat's racist, now

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<v Speaker 2>your dog's are Nazi like this is this is.

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<v Speaker 5>The perfect product for HB. Love Craft. I would have

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<v Speaker 5>loved this.

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<v Speaker 4>No if you gave me like the show light to me,

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<v Speaker 4>but for dogs on my phone, I would spend whatever

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<v Speaker 4>you want.

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<v Speaker 5>A thousand dollars I.

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<v Speaker 2>Will get I wouldn't pay like average West Coast rent

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<v Speaker 2>prices to be able to like gaslight some family into

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<v Speaker 2>thinking their dog is a terrorist.

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<v Speaker 4>And see a friend of mine, Oh, what's what's wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>Ed chat GPT said that I said that my dogs

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<v Speaker 4>joined ISIS and I don't know. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 4>he did it, but he's been he's talking about a

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<v Speaker 4>caliphate according to the app. I don't know what this

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<v Speaker 4>app is bankrupting me. I paid four and a half

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<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars for this app a month.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know why I need it so because so

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<v Speaker 5>unfortunately had to miss yesterday. So there was probably an

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<v Speaker 5>endless number of tech innovations that I was unable to

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<v Speaker 5>see because I had to miss one day. But with

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<v Speaker 5>help a pencil and I was able to return today

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<v Speaker 5>to do one final.

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<v Speaker 2>Chat GPT of antibiotics.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that is exactly what my doctor said, actually, but

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<v Speaker 5>I did. I did swear revenge on cees. So I

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<v Speaker 5>just walked around most mostly mostly the Venetian just seeing

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<v Speaker 5>all of the worst things I could find in documenting

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<v Speaker 5>them so I could get revenge from that twink poisonam

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<v Speaker 5>with strap throat. So the first really good thing is this.

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<v Speaker 5>I mostly walked around the award winning sections because that's

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<v Speaker 5>where you find only the best. There was an award

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<v Speaker 5>winning speaker called Audio Cu that all of their marketing

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<v Speaker 5>was built from this horrible, horrible uh Ai image generation

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<v Speaker 5>of this like extremely busty blonde woman in a latex suit,

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<v Speaker 5>but if you zoom it onto her fingernails, her her

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<v Speaker 5>fingernails are like sticking through the wrong side of her fingers. There.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, Oh my god, it's the woman's from

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<v Speaker 4>that one movie for Oh damn it not skin the one.

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<v Speaker 5>The other it was the woman where the alien.

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<v Speaker 4>Was sex and then she killed people when she had

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<v Speaker 4>sex with them. It's the same thing, Yes, terrifying. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>rita's a cool in and say what that is?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it looks just like that. It has relaxed stick

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<v Speaker 5>it in, which is pretty funny. So that that was

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<v Speaker 5>pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I respect that. I respect that. That's a baller

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<v Speaker 2>move right there.

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<v Speaker 5>Again, this is this is for a speaker company like.

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<v Speaker 3>DJ Girlfriend in the shape it's a speaker in the

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<v Speaker 3>shape of a girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it's just home theater speakers.

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<v Speaker 2>It just have a horrible AI generated woman as their spokesperson.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I would buy it if it was DJ Girlfriend. Though.

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<v Speaker 2>DJ Girlfriend is a great idea for a product and

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<v Speaker 2>might stop several.

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<v Speaker 5>AI has brought back sexism.

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<v Speaker 2>If you do DJ Girlfriend right, you could stop at

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<v Speaker 2>least one mass shooting.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, we have a real solution now.

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<v Speaker 5>Another product that won the CEES twenty twenty four Innovation

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<v Speaker 5>Awards is an AI powered coffee brewer and grinder system.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just gonna read the description from the coffee's been missing,

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<v Speaker 5>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 5>We wake up every morning make our little French press coffee.

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<v Speaker 5>That's fine, But you know what could be better? An

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<v Speaker 5>AI system that does it for you. I'm gonna read

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<v Speaker 5>the award the award description for this product. Okay, introducing

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<v Speaker 5>Barista Brew Coffee Brewer and Grinder System, a smart coffee

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<v Speaker 5>system that tailors your brew to perfection with AI guided personalization.

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<v Speaker 5>Easily adjust brewing parameters for a custom cup. New expertise needed,

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<v Speaker 5>rate to track and refine your bruise brew iq AI

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<v Speaker 5>suggestions for your ideal taste, simplify with one touch favorites,

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<v Speaker 5>elevate your coffee experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I hear all that. The one thing I

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<v Speaker 4>think is simplify. That's that's simple. The Movie's Spacies, by

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<v Speaker 4>the way.

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<v Speaker 5>I love that movie. One of one of the best

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<v Speaker 5>hr Geiger art utilizations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and easily the horniest movie of the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 5>Which is Lot of which is which is a high

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<v Speaker 5>high bar. So on on. On this AI coffee maker.

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<v Speaker 5>On the front, there's a little control panel with nine

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<v Speaker 5>different settings that you can you can change because they're

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<v Speaker 5>all on a graph. We have we have citrus, spice, nutty, fruity, balanced, cocoa, floral, herbal,

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.360
<v Speaker 5>and honey, so you can you can with your with

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<v Speaker 5>the with the ease of a touchpad, start to customize

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<v Speaker 5>your own AI coffee, so that that is revolutionary. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to be getting one for Robert this Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Garrison. I know I've always thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what I hate is the experience of uh, of exploring

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<v Speaker 2>new flavors on my own and and learning new ways

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<v Speaker 2>of brewing coffee, a beverage I consume every day. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to be handing that whole experience off to

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<v Speaker 2>a machine.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right, and I know a lot of people used Tavia.

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<v Speaker 2>Just brought something up that I think is relevant here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a Guardian article about an AI smoothie shop that

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<v Speaker 3>opened in San Francisco well before a ce S. That

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<v Speaker 3>is a combination of it's being driven forward with AI

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<v Speaker 3>technology as well as five G stuff that I think

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<v Speaker 3>had opened up and then like three weeks later had

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<v Speaker 3>shut down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's they were like, a robot will pick the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect smoothie for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I actually want to bring I want to bring

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<v Speaker 4>something up. So I love smoking me. I have pellet

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 4>smokers at home, and I saw a few times on

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<v Speaker 4>this show AI grills and I just looked up one

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 4>called a brisk It smart grill, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>how could you possibly make a thing which is basically

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<v Speaker 4>maintaining hot air in a tube long enough until the

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<v Speaker 4>food's done? And what it is is it has a

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<v Speaker 4>thing You can ask the grill what seasoning should I

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<v Speaker 4>add to make my chicken skew a spicy or how

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<v Speaker 4>do I see a medium rest eight? I don't fucking know.

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<v Speaker 4>Why don't you learn to cook?

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<v Speaker 5>You twat?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like.

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<v Speaker 4>The enjoyable part of cooking is the experimentation and learning taste.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, thank you, just like that goddamn coffee thing. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to learn anything. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>have a human experience.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing with a lot of these AI solutions,

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<v Speaker 3>will call them, is I feel like they're robbing people

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<v Speaker 3>of real experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for like no, been Like there's some stuff that like,

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, the ability of a smartphone to once you

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 2>had to be like in a building in order to

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<v Speaker 2>like access a phone or like use a payphone. Now

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 2>you can connect with people everywhere. That's that's a clear benefit, right.

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>There's downsides to it, obviously, but it's a clear benefit,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, now you don't have to learn. Now, now

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to cook. You can let a robot

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 2>do it for you. It's like, well, but why cooking

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 2>is pleasurable? And if I don't want to cook, I

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 2>will go to a restaurant or order food, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>cheaper than buying several thousand dollars AI device.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, some things are hard to learn, which brings

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<v Speaker 5>me to the next product that's smoking me. But had

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<v Speaker 5>kind of like like, uh, like parenting, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So good, okay, nice, you know what, Garrison, I'm proud

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<v Speaker 2>of you.

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<v Speaker 5>That was a good sex way so AI parenting, especially

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<v Speaker 5>with your infant child. This was also in the CEES

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 5>Awards section, so you know it's gonna be legit. I

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<v Speaker 5>was able to see an demonstration of an AI baby

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<v Speaker 5>crib that will shake your baby up and down based

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<v Speaker 5>on facial expression analysis done by an AI, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna show a show it here. So here is

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<v Speaker 5>here's the cutting edge facial expressions we have anger discussed fear, happiness, sadness,

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 5>and surprise, and that basically that data will go into

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:36.919
<v Speaker 5>this little crib which will start shaking and moving up

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<v Speaker 5>and down. Based on what they scan on your baby's face.

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<v Speaker 4>So to be clear, there is a protocole, yes, snow

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 4>that exists where drop my phone. There there's a protut

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<v Speaker 4>called the snow which is like a for infants and

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 4>it notices when they're fussing and it kind of like

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 4>lightly rocks them.

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<v Speaker 5>But the way it rocks them is so very light.

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<v Speaker 4>It is very much a This is this is what

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<v Speaker 4>a mother would do with a brand new baby biked.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't want to move into much.

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<v Speaker 4>That one has like six pictures from the intro of

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 4>light to me and a hot rate monitor. It's like, yeah,

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 4>hand over your baby to AI.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, Yeah, this product looks like a baby Morocca. The

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 3>pace that you shake in it, which is dependent on

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 3>what pretty much you make pretty much well.

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 2>I love it also because like a real scandal I

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>think from the I think it was in the eighties,

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>is like Nanny's shaking babies to death. Like the idea

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>that like again a machine that can only go at

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>a certain pace that's very light. You know, I get

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that's a labor staate, especially for like a single parent

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 2>or whatnot. Like you know, some some people will need that,

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>But I just worry. I worry that we're not all

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<v Speaker 2>that far from our first and AI killed my baby.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think I think that I think the

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 5>real beauty of this product is usually when you have

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 5>a newber, maybe you have to like watch it all

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 5>nightcs it'll wake up, you have to like pick it up,

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 5>pat it, make sure it gets back to sleep. You

0:27:58.480 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 5>can just leave that baby in the bed. You can

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 5>you can like go to the club, just leave the

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 5>baby in the bed. If it starts crying, don't worry.

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 5>The AI will take the will take over.

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<v Speaker 2>We are on the verge of beds that can raise

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>our children, just like the Venture Brothers.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right, and and those and those kids turned out fine,

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 5>they turned out great, perfectly. But I think luckily luckily

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 5>for you, because I know none of us are babies anymore.

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 5>But we are all, you know, eventually going to get old, hopefully, hopefully,

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.679
<v Speaker 5>and there is air products that will also assist us

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 5>as we get older, using the same AI baby tech. Here.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the one of the one of the places

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 5>that me and Robert stopped by was called Blue Sky AI.

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<v Speaker 5>It's spelled ridiculously offensively, and they refused to do an

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 5>interview they were not happy, but I was able to

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 5>get a pamphlet and they have an AI that I

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 5>think they're mostly targeted to get at like older people.

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<v Speaker 5>But quote, by comparing the way your facial and vocal

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 5>behavior changes over time, using your facial expressions, facial muscle actions,

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 5>as well as where you are looking, your body pose,

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 5>and the tone of your voice, we have the potential

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 5>to identify and monitor all kinds of medical conditions that

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 5>manifest in the face or voice. So it's it's a

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 5>facial scanning and voice scanning that uses AI to try

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 5>to diagnose you with medical conditions specific specifically, the guy

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 5>told us that it's it's useful for Alzheimer's. Then he

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 5>realized we were journalists and the nassis to go away.

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 2>And also, but yeah, that's how you know you've got

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 2>a good medical.

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 5>Device, a good product. At CES blue Sky uses a

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 5>continuous approach apparent valiance and arousal to measure to measure

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 5>expressed emotion. This better fits the real human experience of

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 5>emotional states. This approach allows emotion regions to be defined

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 5>and to measure the transitions away from and towards these regions.

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 5>This continuous approach where appropriate can be mapped back to

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 5>a much less exact categorical representation, for example, excited, calm

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 5>or angry.

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Did they have horny?

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 5>They do not have horny, not that I can see.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, if you know old people, one thing they never

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>stop doing is funny.

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 5>Now they do have a list of all human emotions

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 5>here that turn it on a map. Finally that using AI,

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 5>we can finally figure out what emotions you're feeling based

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 5>on your face. So you can use this just with

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 5>your with your phone camera, with your with your iPad camera.

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 5>They do data collection, data analysis. One of the weird

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 5>use cases that we saw was, I know we saw

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 5>something similar to this already, but just scanning your face

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 5>when driving to tell you how you're feeling, which is

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 5>just quite funny.

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>It's a I could talk about that a second. What

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>this reminds me of there was a product a few

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>years ago. It was like a robot for the military,

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>and the idea was this robot can run in dangerous

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 2>situations and pickup troops that have been injured and run

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 2>them out, which is probably a thing that will exist

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>at some point and might even save lives. Right, I

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>can see how that would be a useful thing, and

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 2>the military can be very dangerous to retrieve people. Much

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.479
<v Speaker 2>better for a robot to get shot or blown up

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>in that situation than another person. But to try and

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>comfort the soldiers, they gave the robot the head of

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>a teddy Bear, like a metal teddy Bear head. It

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>looked like a fucking nightmare. It's just like, what, what

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 2>do you think did you talk to There's all sorts

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>of guys who have been shot in combat. Did you

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>talk to one of them? Did you go with the

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>experience of having your arm blown off? Corporal have been

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 2>more pleasurable if a giant metal teddy Bear entered.

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 4>So my first job was working on the characters and

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 4>twisted metal, but then I moved into robotics. It's so

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 4>cool that how many of these products are very clearly made, funded, prototyped,

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 4>r and D, hired PR teams. Everyone's done these big

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 4>presentations without talking to a single fucking human being.

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>It's so cool.

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 4>It's so cool how much waste there is at this

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 4>shoh where not a single human soul there is a

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 4>completely different subject. There was like an AI powered nail

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 4>saw on thing as well. I saw, and I'm like

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 4>That's definitely one where you didn't talk to talk to

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 4>any woman though, because first and foremost in my experience,

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 4>a lot of women are scared of a new nail

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 4>place for fucking up their hands. So are they going

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 4>to spend eight hundred goddamn dollars on this thing to

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 4>maybe get burnt? And I saw in this article about

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 4>it just now that their thing they said was, oh, yeah,

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 4>it's like an espresso at home. I've had an espressos

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 4>break multiple times, and I realized it may sound weird.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 4>How can you break an espresso? I'm just built different.

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 4>But if I can break it in just like me.

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>And strep throat, unbelievable.

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 5>So I do have one more product. And then I'm and.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first, Garrison, I know you have one more product,

0:32:54.360 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>but we also have one more ad break. Ah, we're back, Garrison,

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>what's your next product?

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 5>So we already talked about the handy, which is you know,

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 5>I sure did, which is bye. By all accounts, actually

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 5>like works as intended.

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a good product. The people, the PR people, and

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>we talked to the CEO. We're not just knowledgeable, but

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 2>like remarkably good at keeping a straight face while talking

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 2>about their jack Well, that's professionalism. You have to respect it.

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, that was the most professional booth I saw the

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 3>entirety of ces. They were really on point.

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 2>If you are looking for a jack off machine, I

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 2>can't recommend anything more highly.

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 5>Well, Robert, except for our next product, which is an

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 5>AI power to jack off machine. Thank god. So this

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 5>is called my Hixel. It is the first it's the

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 5>first app.

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 2>That's an appealing names that's a name that sounds like sex.

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 5>It is the first app for climax Control to incorporate AI.

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<v Speaker 5>Now I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna read through.

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 3>There really redefines edge technology. Huh.

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 2>I want to make a note before you get into it.

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 2>The thing that they're claiming this is useful for there

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.399
<v Speaker 2>are devices for and it is a real use case,

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>which is that like, premature ejaculation is a serious problem

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of men. It's like it's like a

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.439
<v Speaker 2>quality of life issue, right, Like it stops people from

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 2>feeling confident. It's a serious problem. There are prosthetic devices

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 2>people can use to train themselves. That's fine, they already exist.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.399
<v Speaker 2>This is basically like what if an AI could teach

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 2>you how to come slower.

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 5>Yes, and we have a six step layout here describing

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 5>why why my Hixel is right for you. For the

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 5>first step is secure and anonymonized data collection, so you

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 5>can get O good all of your coming data stored,

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 5>but don't worry, it's secure.

0:34:58.440 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 7>See.

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 2>My first question to that is why is data on

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 2>me masturbating being collected at all?

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.399
<v Speaker 5>Well, it could be because they're putting it towards an

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.280
<v Speaker 5>eight week training program.

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 4>No, So, first and foremost, one of the first things

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.280
<v Speaker 4>on the website for this is just the words happy

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 4>sex here save sixty dollars and my Hixel control. But

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 4>happy sex here is going to be something I think

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 4>about for a while. But also it says it has

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 4>my Hixel care and my Hixel control, two different things,

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 4>and then my hicksl Academy and sadly you can't click

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 4>on that because I've never wanted to know more about

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.360
<v Speaker 4>how much material could there be unless.

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 3>A masturbation academy.

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought they just called that eton. I was

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 2>a British public school joke.

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 3>It's okay, I made an edging joke earlier and nobody

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 3>caught it.

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I there's one thing in the eating boys do

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 4>and they don't have sex.

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:55.240
<v Speaker 2>No masturbation. Yeah sorry. Part of what I hate about

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 2>this is its name is so clearly like trying to

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 2>be respectful and like respectable and tech product name as

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 2>opposed to like one of the things that I respect

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 2>about the Handy people is they just went ahead and

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 2>called it handy.

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 5>I mean it's weird because like some of their some

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 5>of their free merchere were labeled with stuff like download

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 5>the app to control your loads, we bring the game,

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 5>you bring the joystick. The first day you went for

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 5>a run, you couldn't last more than three minutes either.

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 5>So it's weird how they Yeah, I had this very

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 5>like sanitized branding except for their like free merch but

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 5>yeah it has. It has Bluetooth connection, interactive and personalized settings.

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 5>You can monitor your user evolution, and it is it

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 5>is marked as a medical device. But on on their

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 5>brochure there's just two really really good sentences. There's video

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 5>feedback from our sexual health professionals, so after you come,

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 5>you can get on a video chat and talk about that.

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 5>We go there, we go looking good.

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 3>It's the load talking ad on.

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 4>I'd love to be one of those people. As a

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 4>guy man three minutes. You can do better than that.

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 4>Come on, they Are you meant to encourage them?

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah?

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 5>Are you meant to commiserate with them?

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What is the call here?

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 4>But also I cannot think of a single person i'd

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 4>want to talk about that with.

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just imagining like the guy in the other

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:22.239
<v Speaker 2>and be like no, no, no, zoom me the camera a

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 2>little more. I want to see those ropes. No, that's

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 2>not bad, that's not bad. Good consistency.

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's move that over. Let's see his O face again.

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 4>Wow, you play that, my friend? That your load management

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:33.320
<v Speaker 4>is very consistent.

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 5>And I think I think we're really missing is how

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 5>much how much AI will assist in this because they

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 5>claim that using cutting edge technology? Eh eh my hixel

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 5>Control is the first solution to include AI and machine

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 5>learning for climax control treatment, which is just really really reassuring.

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, it basically looks like a flashlight that connects

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 5>to your phone and it's an act app with anatomical

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 5>realistic interior design and AI and secured it and and

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 5>adanemonized data.

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 3>I think this is really going to open up some

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:12.240
<v Speaker 3>avenues for sex workers.

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, hope, hopefully hopefully Tafia.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>It's It's also like the design the handy is very

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 2>clearly a robot. You stick your dick inside and it

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 2>jacks you off. This looks like a flesh light except

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.240
<v Speaker 2>the back and like the front end that we unscrewed

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the top and it's like a fake vagina looks like

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>a fleshlight. The back end looks like an incense diffuser,

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 2>like like someone decided these two products needed to be

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>like what if you could fuck your you're aromatherapy bot.

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 5>Finally, so that that is that is most of the

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 5>the the just the groundbreaking AI products that I was

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.359
<v Speaker 5>able to see today. Does anyone else have any AI

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 5>products they would love to talk about?

0:38:55.719 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 2>It's time to talk about Ganerd. I Okayerts, you want

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>to start us off about Ganert.

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I guess We attended a panel. Which panel was it, y'all?

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.840
<v Speaker 7>That was the DHSA AI pie that was that was

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 7>the AI panel with one of the heads of the

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 7>Department of Homeland Security, who I can confirm because he

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 7>turned around to take a selfie has a Hank Hill ass.

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 3>He was very insistent on that.

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>No, but absolutely no. But and I'm saying this not

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to shame him, but because there are orthotics for that,

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>you can get help, sir.

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 3>That's even a whole episode of King of the Hill,

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:37.720
<v Speaker 3>one of the better episodes good times. So ganert Ai

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 3>was announced before this talk that we had, and it

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 3>was a I think the guy announcing both this this

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.319
<v Speaker 3>event as well as the panel had taken some time

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 3>to really focus on the fact that this was his

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 3>quote unquote opis.

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 5>His His opis opus. He said the word opis like

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 5>five times Ganert's what I'll be remembered by.

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 3>This is my legacy. Yeah, and then I guess two

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 3>of the designers had come up who stuck out like

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 3>a sore thumb compared to the sea of khaki and

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 3>blazers and things like that.

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, they had clearly never ordered a drone strike,

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 2>unlike our hero at Homelands Security.

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 5>One of them had a wide brimmed hat that was

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 5>color matched to the Ganert logo, which is pretty cool.

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 5>What does Genert stand for? Ganert stands for generate, so

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 5>I think it's actually just called it generate. They just

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 5>took out the vowels. But this is going to be

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 5>a three day event or a conference held in Arlington, Virginia.

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:45.080
<v Speaker 5>They're claiming that it's gonna have like two hundred speakers,

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 5>one hundred and fifty AI sessions, more than five hundred startups,

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 5>one hundred and fifty partners, one hundred investors, and around

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 5>five thousand attendees. They're trying to target enterprise, governments, platforms,

0:40:56.120 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 5>AI tools, AI builders, services, investors, startups, and media that

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:04.839
<v Speaker 5>it's it's these three events held simultaneously. Ones just called

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 5>GOODERT or Generation AI, which is about just AI AI tech.

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 5>It's about like AI companies, classes, keynotes, funding, blah blah

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah. There is then Voice and AI which

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 5>is about AI language services. And there's also one for

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 5>gov AI, which is about public sector and how the

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 5>government's gonna start integrating AI or regulating AI. And they

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 5>also have one for coding called code Forward, and it's

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:34.759
<v Speaker 5>it's about where we can't just play the opening video

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:36.360
<v Speaker 5>because opening video had.

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 2>No voice here, but there's yeah, there's no voice, I

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 2>can read it though. Ninety seven million new jobs in AI,

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 2>five hundred billion in annual AI spend by twenty twenty seven,

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty billion in VC.

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:53.200
<v Speaker 5>Funding by twenty twenty five. Gonert generate for a new

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 5>world in a new market Goodert connects.

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 2>And forms, elevates and inspires.

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:02.320
<v Speaker 5>It all happens at words, and we cannot emphasize it.

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 5>Of how they hyped up vc cash. There was, there

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 5>was so much build up for vc cash.

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:13.240
<v Speaker 2>I have I have watched people who are dope sick

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>by Heroin with less jittery excitement in their hands and eyes.

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 5>All right, So not a bit about shit like this.

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 4>So I just did a brief cursory look up gener

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 4>and it's and it's it's connected Confidence Voice I and

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 4>gov and code Forward, and all of them are claiming

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:41.880
<v Speaker 4>the following. They're featuring GitHub, Microsoft, open Ai, Codium tab nine.

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.399
<v Speaker 4>Their thing on LinkedIn has twenty eight followers, and their

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 4>engagement is like when I post the word twitter on Twitter,

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 4>it's not very good at all. I can get more

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 4>on that doing any punch picture of my asshole and

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 4>get more than that. But also I cannot find a

0:42:55.840 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 4>single person claiming to attend this, despite them claiming two

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.800
<v Speaker 4>hundred buspeakers, one hundred and fifty plus sessions, five hundred stars,

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and fifty part one hundred investors, five thousand attendees.

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 4>I can't find a single bit of evidence that anyone

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 4>is ganerting around at all. And also they claim to

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 4>have three different conferences, Code Forward, gove Ai, Voice Ai,

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:19.399
<v Speaker 4>and of course connert Ai and I and of course

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 4>all of these are part of the ganert Ai beta experience.

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 5>I don't know why you put beta.

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:26.439
<v Speaker 2>People are beta as hell.

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 5>But also why have you got beta on a conference?

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 5>What are you doing? But also.

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.839
<v Speaker 4>Featuring open AI and video, Microsoft Google and veritoon. I'm

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 4>gonna guess that they've got like chat, GPT, open on

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 4>a computer, an nvideo pro GPU and something Microsoft Word

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 4>and they've used Google. And it's very strange because I

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 4>don't know what this thing.

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Is, you know. I think what it is is some

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 2>guys who have a degree of like nay like like

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 2>some guys who are are hoping that they don't have

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 2>any actual ideas for it to do with AI, so

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:05.919
<v Speaker 2>they're hoping that if they create a conference and make

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 2>that be like the cees of AI, they can kind

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of force a place for themselves and also attract a

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 2>bunch of suction up a bunch of money.

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:14.800
<v Speaker 4>I also found some I found some of the speakers

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.800
<v Speaker 4>You've got a fellow called Adam Goldberg, who's an account

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 4>director and head of Azure Open Ai Enablement. On the

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 4>go to market team open Ai. They found a sales

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:24.919
<v Speaker 4>guy from open ai and then said they got someone

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 4>from open Ai. They got someone from JP Morgan Chile's

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 4>data and AI design.

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:33.240
<v Speaker 5>These are all fake jobs. These aren't real jobs.

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 4>And I think that these conferences are amazing as well,

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 4>because all people do at them is they go they

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.400
<v Speaker 4>watch these things where people go up on stage and go,

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:44.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, generative AI is going to create maybe even

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 4>trillions of dollars of value at some point, and you know,

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 4>the synergy between generative AI and data collection but also

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 4>data silos is going to be truly, truly innovative. And

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 4>everyone's like, holy fucking shit, whoa holy shit piss and

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 4>then they all post on Twitter and they will forget

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 4>it ever happened immediately.

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we call that the dividend.

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 5>We do call that the g dividend. So Gert's being

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 5>put on by this guy who runs this like panel

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 5>collection called Brands gpt at ces with a Z.

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not no Garrison Garrison with a Z.

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 5>It should it should be. I think me and Robert

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 5>both went to like one or two of these brands

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 5>GPT panels. This is the one where Robert got to

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 5>yell at Google and Microsoft and get them mad.

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 2>No, Google and McDonald's. Mc donald's is ahead of AI,

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 2>which is a thing.

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 5>So they look to basically just focus on like convention programming.

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 5>So now they're trying to put on their own convention

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 5>that they're calling Ganert instead of just running this brand's

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 5>GPT at CES. So that's that's the background. It's it's

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 5>done by Mode V events. That's Mode and the letter V,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 5>but one word that's like the parent company for this.

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.279
<v Speaker 5>I'll be interested once we get closer to October. I'll

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:06.880
<v Speaker 5>be interested to see if this is looking more like

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 5>a real event. It's it's not gonna be that far

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 5>for me to travel. But no, they're promising five hundred

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 5>billion dollars in annual AI spending with two hundred and

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 5>fifty billion new VC cash investments, which is which is

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 5>quite promising.

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so hopefully this beta test goes like the last

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.400
<v Speaker 2>video game beta test that I went to and everybody

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:33.240
<v Speaker 2>clips through the floor and disappears into a void. Well,

0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that's gonna do it for us in this episode,

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.720
<v Speaker 2>and I want to leave you all with well, before

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 2>we've got one more thing. But before we get into that,

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.479
<v Speaker 2>which which will be fun, I want to talk about

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>something sobering, which is that, as you may get from this,

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 2>nearly one hundred percent of the AI use cases that

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.480
<v Speaker 2>we saw presented were either nonsense or incredibly vague. At

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>these different where you had people from like in Nvidia

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and Adobe and whatnot that like they wouldn't say, like,

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 2>we're going to use AI for this specific task. They

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 2>would say we're going to use AI to get more nimble,

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 2>which I think means firing people, you know. Outside of that,

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the only real specific use cases that were not clearly nonsense.

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 2>We're stuff like replacing you know, customer service workers with chatbots,

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 2>which is bad, and to be fair, some also really

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 2>good stuff like that telescope that used kind of machine

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 2>learning in order to like clean up images so that

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 2>you can get better, better images and whatnot when you're

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:24.879
<v Speaker 2>in an area with a lot of light pollution. There

0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:28.759
<v Speaker 2>was some stuff like that, but usually very vague. The

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:32.160
<v Speaker 2>use cases for AI was always extremely clear were the

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 2>harms and the very first panel we attended there's a

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 2>company called Deloitte. They're a huge consulting firm. If you

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.040
<v Speaker 2>know about McKenzie, because they're currently somewhat rightfully so a

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 2>bit of a bugbear on the left. Deloitte is a

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:47.040
<v Speaker 2>similar kind of organization, right I think they're a bit

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 2>less toxic, but to a marginal degree. They're like a

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 2>massive consulting firm. Companies bring them in in order to

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.360
<v Speaker 2>help them streamline and make processes more efficient in stuff.

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 2>And one of their people said that according to their

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 2>internal metrics, they expected half a trillion dollars in fraud

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 2>this year in one year due just to voice cloning AI.

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:17.240
<v Speaker 2>And that was a more specific statement of what AI

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 2>is going to do to change people's lives than absolutely

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.160
<v Speaker 2>any positive use case I heard presented at this comfence.

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 5>Could you like explain what you mean by voice cloning

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 5>so AI.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we did a couple of Bastards episodes talking

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 2>about scams and like how they've contributed to the decline

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 2>of trust in our society. One of the things that

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:38.280
<v Speaker 2>is in the last year or so become a massive

0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 2>problem is there are now AI things that can generate

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:45.360
<v Speaker 2>a human voice near perfectly to the point where, especially

0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:47.479
<v Speaker 2>if it is a voice of say your kid calls

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 2>you and they're telling you that they have been fucking

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:51.799
<v Speaker 2>kidnapped or you know, something else has happened and they

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:53.839
<v Speaker 2>need you to wire the money desperately, and you send

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 2>them the money, it's a fucking scam, right. That is.

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.759
<v Speaker 2>We have a person from Deloitte, and I think it

0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 2>was a person from Adobe say that they had been

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:05.240
<v Speaker 2>called by a colleague who had gotten like a call

0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 2>thinking it was that seemed to be them asking them

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 2>to buy a bunch of Apple gift cards. Like sit

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 2>like this is extreme and it's only going to get

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.480
<v Speaker 2>more common. You can automate to the writing of the

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.360
<v Speaker 2>scams and the sending of the scams using these AI tools,

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and that is absolutely, in my opinion, much more of

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 2>a direct way in which AI is going to affect

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 2>people than any single product or even cumulatively, all of

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:32.240
<v Speaker 2>the AI products we saw at CE.

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:36.759
<v Speaker 5>All that uplifting note.

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that's a bummer, and well, we will

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 2>be going into more depth about that, but I wanted

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 2>to end. Tavia took notes at all of the buzzwords,

0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:49.840
<v Speaker 2>particularly the AI buzzwords that we heard during the convention,

0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:51.799
<v Speaker 2>and she's going to read that to us.

0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 5>Now.

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 3>You gotta tell you, this list is incredible. I've worked

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:57.399
<v Speaker 3>in and out of corporate America, and much like a cult,

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.920
<v Speaker 3>they have their own internal vocabulary that they use, and

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 3>this convention we went to was just filthy with these buzzwords.

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.160
<v Speaker 3>So I'm just going to dig in. The ones that

0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 3>I've written down are double down. Love that one. That

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:15.719
<v Speaker 3>one comes up a lot. Versioning, versioning, version ing, which

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.279
<v Speaker 3>is like a legitimate term in software, but I was

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 3>hearing it used in places where it didn't make much

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:24.720
<v Speaker 3>sense to do it. Then our favorite liar's.

0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 5>Dividend by far the best term that we've heard at

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 5>the conference, so flexible.

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm using versions of that and everything. You know,

0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:34.480
<v Speaker 2>it makes me think a lot about the murderer's dividend,

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 2>which is when you know, I longer I have to

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 2>deal with an annoying person.

0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.799
<v Speaker 3>We got content credential, which is coming up a lot,

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:43.839
<v Speaker 3>especially around the topic of AI. We have data rich

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:47.960
<v Speaker 3>and it's sister term problem rich, core values, which I

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 3>heard in every single panel that we were in.

0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Usually the context of this was we don't need

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>regulations around how AI can be made and put together.

0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 2>The core values of the companies is what will make

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 2>sure that AI isn't used in a harmful way?

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 4>Great, that's that's gonna happen.

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:13.359
<v Speaker 3>No, very trustworthy, very trustworthy groups, got risk model. And

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:15.600
<v Speaker 3>then my next term is the favorite one. It's so good.

0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm gonna give this one to you, Robert.

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I don't think we talked about this. Guardian

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:22.760
<v Speaker 2>MM or something like that was then is MM guardian

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 2>MM Guardian? Which is an app you put on It's

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 2>not it used to be an app. Now it is

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.280
<v Speaker 2>a phone you buy for your child. It's a modified

0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Samsung Galaxy something or other.

0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:34.960
<v Speaker 5>That it's not ax No.

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:35.359
<v Speaker 4>Seven.

0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 2>It gives your It gives you, as the parent, complete

0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:42.359
<v Speaker 2>access to your kid's phone and everything they're doing. And

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 2>it automatically monitors monitors all of their not just their conversations,

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.799
<v Speaker 2>but their browsing history, and sends you alerts. So like,

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 2>if someone sends your kid a text that says you

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 2>should kys you know, kill yourself. This is the example

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.399
<v Speaker 2>he showed us. You get a message that like there's

0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 2>this suicidal discussion or whatnot going on, we ask them,

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, hey, Garrison particularly was like, what if this

0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>is a situation where a parent is abusive and like

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:13.879
<v Speaker 2>using this in order to keep tabs on their kids

0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:16.480
<v Speaker 2>or like hates you know, is like a child is

0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:19.799
<v Speaker 2>gay or trans and their parents are not accepting of that.

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Like does this still can parents still like spy on

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 2>them over that stuff? Are there any limitations? Are there

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 2>any sort of safeguards built in in case a parent

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.600
<v Speaker 2>is being abusive, right to like monitor or sind to

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the authorities of a parent is using this in an

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 2>abusive way? And their answer was no, We're purely about

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.799
<v Speaker 2>giving parents more power. And yeah, the term that they

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 2>used was tech contracts with children.

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:46.880
<v Speaker 3>I can't think of anything more dismal.

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is one of the most dystopian assemblies of

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:52.399
<v Speaker 2>words I've ever heard.

0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:56.400
<v Speaker 5>Should you should you should never say the phrase contracts

0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.799
<v Speaker 5>with children. That's just that's just like, if you find

0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:03.480
<v Speaker 5>your self ever ever hearing the phrase contracts with children

0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:05.839
<v Speaker 5>spoken by anyone, run away for that person as fast

0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 5>as you can, maybe maybe maybe punch them in the

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.799
<v Speaker 5>face first, and then run away as fast as you can.

0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 2>So that's a good one.

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.200
<v Speaker 4>That's that's some shit you just keep in Florida, I

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:18.400
<v Speaker 4>guess now or Indiana.

0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:21.120
<v Speaker 2>It's a super Florida app that is that is the

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 2>center of this business.

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Moving on, We've got other terms called visionary and thought leaders,

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:28.800
<v Speaker 3>which comes up a lot in these types.

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 4>Of I mean the pr ship people love saying thought leader.

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 5>I love it thing, do eat it up.

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:39.640
<v Speaker 3>We also have edge computing, I know.

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Digital Yeah again handy, great company.

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:46.879
<v Speaker 3>Incredible company, very very excellent product. We have digital twin

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:48.399
<v Speaker 3>horizon scin.

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:52.399
<v Speaker 4>So digital twin's really good because it means like eight

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 4>different things. It can mean literally a copy of something,

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.239
<v Speaker 4>or it can mean a digital version of something. It

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 4>can mean like a of US thing. And these are

0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 4>old different industries using it, and no one can agree

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 4>on the meaning.

0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just tradition. That's just like what they do.

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 3>They have horizon scan. I actually kind of liked that one.

0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Was the first time I heard that one. When they're

0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 3>just like looking into the future, I think they're calling

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:18.680
<v Speaker 3>that horizon scan use case, which came up a lot

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 3>because everyone was groping for use cases for their technology

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 3>and didn't seem to have any that they could bring up.

0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:30.280
<v Speaker 5>The next one I heard way more than I wanted

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:34.239
<v Speaker 5>to hear which was accelerate. Yeahs always a great term

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:39.360
<v Speaker 5>to hear in tech. There was so much accelerate and

0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.960
<v Speaker 5>accelerating relating to their tech development and their tech use

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:46.640
<v Speaker 5>cases for another one of those terms that Tavia just

0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:47.080
<v Speaker 5>read off.

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Now, this next term is a real thing and an

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 2>important thing, and not a thing that anyone in the

0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 2>tech industry wants or cares about. The right to be forgotten.

0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:57.920
<v Speaker 2>This has actually been legislated. The reason they have to

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:00.000
<v Speaker 2>care about this to some extent is it's been legislat

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.880
<v Speaker 2>in the EU right, and it should be everywhere. I

0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 2>actually think this is an incredibly important concept, and it's

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.440
<v Speaker 2>basically the you know, we have people go viral that

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 2>become a main character on whatever app for being a

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:15.440
<v Speaker 2>piece of shit sometimes or sometimes doing something stupid or

0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:18.120
<v Speaker 2>sometimes doing something innocuous that for no reason at all

0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:19.239
<v Speaker 2>makes a huge number.

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:20.720
<v Speaker 5>He's actually a really good example.

0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 4>There was a kid who posted a video of himself

0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:26.479
<v Speaker 4>and it was like four point o GPA had a job,

0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:29.680
<v Speaker 4>braised money didn't get into Harvard or something. He didn't

0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 4>mean it in this way, but someone took it and

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:33.919
<v Speaker 4>then turned it into ay, why kids are being kept

0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.239
<v Speaker 4>off Harvard thing? And he dm them was like, you're

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 4>ruining my fucking life. Yeah, this is how this, like

0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:41.719
<v Speaker 4>the right to be forgotten should be everywhere.

0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is not. It is a hugely important thing. And

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I actually give the EU a lot of

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 2>credit for the fact that that has to some extent

0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 2>been legislated. All of that needs to be more common

0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:57.000
<v Speaker 2>in other countries and more vigorously enforced. I don't I

0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:58.719
<v Speaker 2>say that I have no idea how you do it

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 2>with the internet working the way it does. Some of this,

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I actually do think is a values thing where we

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 2>all need to be more okay with the fact that people,

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 2>even people who can do something shitty online, deserve to

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:14.000
<v Speaker 2>not have that necessarily define the rest of their lives,

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.799
<v Speaker 2>especially you know, teenagers.

0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:20.400
<v Speaker 4>And the next one is one that I like to

0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:24.879
<v Speaker 4>associate with my posts, data poisoning. I believe every time

0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 4>I interact with Twitter or blue Sky, that is what

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 4>I am doing. I have some data poisoning death, or

0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 4>I am data poisoning as a verb, or I am

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:35.880
<v Speaker 4>data poisoning myself.

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then we've got oh, Garrison, you want to

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:42.479
<v Speaker 2>do this one?

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:44.719
<v Speaker 5>Sure? These These are the last three that I got

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:48.640
<v Speaker 5>from an AI Ethics Panel. We have data silos, how

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 5>data is all separated. We have data harmonization, kind of

0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:54.000
<v Speaker 5>the opposite of data silos.

0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's basically using AI to generate pictures of dan

0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:57.680
<v Speaker 2>harmon Right.

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:03.640
<v Speaker 5>Yes, then we have the last term, which I will

0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:09.400
<v Speaker 5>I will describe for you the speed capacity gap. So

0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:11.520
<v Speaker 5>the speed capacity gap.

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.879
<v Speaker 2>I know I can answer that for you. So sometimes

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 2>when I'm doing a shitload of amphetamines that I purchased

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 2>from some Turkish website via the dark web, you know,

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing them with a friend and they o d

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 2>because there's a day there's a speed capacity gap between

0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:27.120
<v Speaker 2>the two of us.

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:31.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's what that Uh, that's what DHS guy was

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 5>talking about. For using AI to monitor dark web purchases.

0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:37.480
<v Speaker 5>He's going to really get on that one. No, speed

0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:41.400
<v Speaker 5>capacity gap the gap between tech acceleration and the capacity

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.439
<v Speaker 5>of society to keep up and make informed decisions about

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 5>the technology, which is actually kind of a useful terms.

0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 5>It's it's just one of those you know, it sounds

0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 5>like a silly tech term, but when the when it's

0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 5>actually explained, like, oh, that's actually a really good way

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:57.440
<v Speaker 5>to think about the way AI is being pushed in

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<v Speaker 5>all of these new ways, and are we actually as

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<v Speaker 5>a society, whether that's like as a government or just

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<v Speaker 5>like culturally, able to actually make inform decisions about how

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<v Speaker 5>we want this tech to be integrated into our lives.

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<v Speaker 5>And now the dark side of this term the speed

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<v Speaker 5>capacity gap. For the to kind of solve this gap,

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<v Speaker 5>we can either slow down a development or we can

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<v Speaker 5>speed up our capacity, and the panelists obviously preferred the latter,

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<v Speaker 5>and so we should just speed up our cultural capacity.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they propose a solution for that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, kind of, but it's it's a little unclear. We

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<v Speaker 5>can go through my recording at a later day once

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<v Speaker 5>we do our full AI episode. But they're rationale for

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<v Speaker 5>why we should instead of instead of slowing down tech

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<v Speaker 5>development instead speed up our cultural capacity is because of

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<v Speaker 5>the many benefits that tech improvements can be made via

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<v Speaker 5>tech iterations. Right, the more iterations you get of technology

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<v Speaker 5>that the more benefits are able to get from said technology.

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<v Speaker 3>A versioning y version.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly, which brings us all the way back to versioning

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<v Speaker 5>there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Which brings us all the way back to turkisham fetamines.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I've been for the last twenty years trying different

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<v Speaker 2>versions of turkishamphetamines and the blue pills. Man. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>normally you don't hallucinate on speed, but when you take enough,

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out you can. And so I think what

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to leave everyone with is the knowledge that

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<v Speaker 2>turkisham fetamines are a thing you can purchase on the

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<v Speaker 2>dark web and should There's no health consequences to it

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not part of this byroh Flyne does not support

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<v Speaker 4>illegal drug purchases.

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<v Speaker 5>Respective podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not illegal if they're so new that the DEA

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't banned them yet.

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<v Speaker 5>That's innovation exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>That's versioning, and that is the speed capacity gap folks.

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<v Speaker 5>That the DA can't keep up with the tech improvements.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, everybody that's gonna do it for us here

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<v Speaker 2>at cool Zone. Before we leave, I want to give

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<v Speaker 2>Tabia and Ed both chances to plug their pluggables.

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<v Speaker 5>ED.

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<v Speaker 2>People are going to be hearing from you every week

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<v Speaker 2>on your new show, Better Offline, which is launching in

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<v Speaker 2>a what I'm sure you'll agree is a frighteningly short

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<v Speaker 2>time be soon.

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<v Speaker 4>It is going to be the best weekly tech show.

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<v Speaker 4>It is going to do the job that no one

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<v Speaker 4>is strong enough to do, which is ask questions, listen

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<v Speaker 4>to the answers, then actually make a question that follows them.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm very much looking forward to this and very excited

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<v Speaker 4>to work with the cool Zone team and Tavia Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find me on Twitter at cutma and if

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<v Speaker 4>Now you may wonder why I didn't give you any

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<v Speaker 4>links to anything, and that was a deliberate thing called subterfuge.

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<v Speaker 4>But you can find me at where's your ed dot

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you can find my profile on hand. All right, we're.

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<v Speaker 6>Fucking done here. Welcome to Nick What Happened Here? A

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<v Speaker 6>podcast about I don't know. This is gonna come me

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<v Speaker 6>out like Tuesday, right, maybe Wednesday. You probably know what

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<v Speaker 6>this podcast is about. If you don't, It's about things

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<v Speaker 6>falling apart putting it back together again.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm your host Mia Wong.

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<v Speaker 8>With me is James hi May and I'm very excited

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<v Speaker 8>to uh to lend some stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it'll be great.

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<v Speaker 6>No nothing, Well, okay, the good news that the first

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<v Speaker 6>guy we're talking about died. That's that's the only good news. Great, great,

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<v Speaker 6>more good news. But we're doing some episodes about the

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<v Speaker 6>Daily Wire. Uh, you're gonna get a lot more actual

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<v Speaker 6>stuff about the Daily Wire in the next two episodes.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the this is the preliminary background information episode.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know, for people who aren't familiar with the

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<v Speaker 6>Daily Wire, the Daily Wire is a very large and

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<v Speaker 6>very powerful right wing media empire. They're you know, Ben

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<v Speaker 6>Shapiro's people. Matt Walsh is there, and they are. They've

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<v Speaker 6>become increasingly powerful because of their ability to drive the

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<v Speaker 6>actions and sort of like not even really mid level

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<v Speaker 6>like high mid high level like Republican officials, particularly at

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<v Speaker 6>a state level, towards you know, horrific anti trans policies

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<v Speaker 6>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 8>Yep, they've had as the incredible divorced dad power of

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<v Speaker 8>those two guys. Like it's like a yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 8>a Pokemon situation, you know, like that, It's just it's inside,

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<v Speaker 8>it's like shaken ball, but sometimes they let it out

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<v Speaker 8>and control their Republican body with it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and so okay, you know, but in order to

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<v Speaker 6>really sort of understand who these people are and why

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<v Speaker 6>they're able to sort of be like this, we need

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<v Speaker 6>to talk about the ways that this is new, because

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<v Speaker 6>you know, there's always been sort of writing like Christian

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<v Speaker 6>media figures who do terrible stuff, but the way the

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<v Speaker 6>daily wire works is different than this stuff has worked

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<v Speaker 6>in the past. And in order to understand what is

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<v Speaker 6>different about this than these sort of like previous eras

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<v Speaker 6>of like Christian antiquer violence, we need to talk about neoliberalism.

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<v Speaker 6>So this is this is not the normal starting place

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<v Speaker 6>you're talking about the religious right, but if you want

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<v Speaker 6>to actually understand what's happening right now, you have to

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<v Speaker 6>go back to the origin and structure of neoliberalism so

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<v Speaker 6>you can understand how it shaped right when Christian organizing

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<v Speaker 6>in the last about fifty years. I want to start

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<v Speaker 6>this by talking about a guy who is not normally

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<v Speaker 6>considered part of the Christian right at all. In fact,

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<v Speaker 6>he's not even an American and his greatest influence is

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<v Speaker 6>on his home country of Germany. The man I'm talking

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<v Speaker 6>I want to talk about is Wilhelm rope Key. I've

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<v Speaker 6>mentioned him on this show before, but that was several

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<v Speaker 6>years ago. Now he is not a very well known figure,

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<v Speaker 6>and that's not good because he is one of the

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<v Speaker 6>smartest and one of the most dangerous neoliberals. So in

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<v Speaker 6>order to really get a sense of who rope Key is,

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<v Speaker 6>we need to talk about the beginnings of neoliberalism. So

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<v Speaker 6>we need to talk about Hyak and his sort of

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<v Speaker 6>attempt to recruit a bunch of new liberals to oppose.

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<v Speaker 6>While mostly to opposed communism, it later becomes about also

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<v Speaker 6>opposing fascism. But the problem that Hyak has is that

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<v Speaker 6>so in the nineteenth this is happening in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 6>twenties and really the nineteen thirties, the problem is that

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<v Speaker 6>the people who Hayak have been trying to recruit from

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<v Speaker 6>Germany dream the thirties all joined the Nazi Party.

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<v Speaker 5>So in many such cases, Yeah, it's a real issue

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<v Speaker 5>for them.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, once again the lips have let us down.

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<v Speaker 2>Shocked.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, So you know, in the in the nineteen forties

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<v Speaker 6>after the war, when Hayak is trying to do this again,

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<v Speaker 6>he turns to William Ropeke instead of the original guys

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<v Speaker 6>who've been Nazis, because Roke had been out of the

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<v Speaker 6>country for the whole Nazi things. So he kind of

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<v Speaker 6>had skipped out on it.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, smart, move on his foot.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and you know this, this gets him an invite

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<v Speaker 6>to like Montpellier.

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<v Speaker 5>And so the whole sort of the origins of neoliberalism.

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<v Speaker 6>And rope Key is he's one of the architects of

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<v Speaker 6>what's called orderliberalism. So the order Liberals are one of

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<v Speaker 6>the factions of you know, they're one of the factions

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<v Speaker 6>of neoliberalism. What's interesting about them, We're gonna talk a

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<v Speaker 6>bit about what they believe. But what's interesting about the

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<v Speaker 6>order liberals is that they're not really economists. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>some of them are, but it's a lot of sociologists.

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<v Speaker 6>And this means that the way that they think think

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<v Speaker 6>about the world is very different than the way that

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<v Speaker 6>like Hayek or you know, like a like von Mises

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<v Speaker 6>or like all the you know, the sort of like

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<v Speaker 6>mainline like guys who are economists in the neoliberal movement think.

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<v Speaker 6>The order liberals believe that there is a natural capitalist

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<v Speaker 6>hierarchy in a society that produces stability. But they also

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<v Speaker 6>understand that capitalism in general and neoliberalism, like specifically the

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<v Speaker 6>thing they're trying to bring about, adamses people. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>it destroys social bonds, It tears the fabric of communities apart,

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<v Speaker 6>and it destroys the notion of any collective self identification,

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<v Speaker 6>replacing them with sort of market exchange and empty consumer

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<v Speaker 6>symbols masquerading his identity. You know, thing for example, the

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<v Speaker 6>rise of stand culture or I mean, god like the

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<v Speaker 6>thing we do, which is like, yeah, going to.

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<v Speaker 8>Say streamers, you know, so that's friends are on your phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So this is extremely bad, and rope Key realizes this

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<v Speaker 6>is a real issue for the success of neoliberalism, because

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<v Speaker 6>people don't actually like being completely autonomized market agents with

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<v Speaker 6>no real social relations other than wages and contracts. And

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<v Speaker 6>you know, if presented with these options, they might, for example,

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<v Speaker 6>turn to communism or God forbid anarchism.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but Roki, you know, Rokey is on the side

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<v Speaker 5>of bad and.

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<v Speaker 8>The side of bad. Yeah. The great title for the

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<v Speaker 8>episode side of that, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Me as biography God.

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<v Speaker 6>Roke's conclusion from this is that you can't just rely

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<v Speaker 6>on the market passively coming into existence, because if markets

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<v Speaker 6>were supposed to passively come into existence, or if they

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<v Speaker 6>were you know, like the sort of like spontaneous order

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<v Speaker 6>thing that Y talks about when he's lying, Like if

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<v Speaker 6>that was actually true, they would just have they would

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<v Speaker 6>be everything would be market economies already.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like no, like we would have had the exact

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<v Speaker 6>same economic and political system for the last thirty thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>But we haven't.

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<v Speaker 6>So in order to do this, you have to make

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<v Speaker 6>people into good neoliberal market subjects, and this requires the

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<v Speaker 6>intervention of the state. The product of this is that

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<v Speaker 6>ro Key is one of the architects of what's called

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<v Speaker 6>structural policy. These are these are specific state policy things

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<v Speaker 6>that are used to create markets by you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 6>it's it's there's a whole variety of sort of ways

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<v Speaker 6>that this happens, but by acting on and transforming like

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<v Speaker 6>physically people right like what they do, what they believe,

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<v Speaker 6>how they congregates, like what things they're allowed not allowed

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<v Speaker 6>to do, what things are incentivized. This this is structural policy.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the origin of what's later going to be

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<v Speaker 6>called structural or reform, which is the kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 6>that the IMF does to an economy to create markets.

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<v Speaker 6>By taking food for the mouths of babies, and making

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<v Speaker 6>the babies work to get the food.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's great, it's the only way.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And that part of neoliberalism broadly, a lot of that

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<v Speaker 6>comes from order liberalism, and it comes from people like Roke.

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<v Speaker 6>But Ropeke realizes that, you know, there's there's a problem

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<v Speaker 6>of structural policy as an abstract concept, right, which is

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<v Speaker 6>that in order for it to work, you need to

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<v Speaker 6>a take control of the state, because again, this is

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<v Speaker 6>a state, but there is a top down state reform project, right,

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<v Speaker 6>and b there has to be something beyond the state

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<v Speaker 6>to create the kind of subjectivity you need to instill,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, to instill in people to make them behave

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<v Speaker 6>quote unquote as market agents.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't just use the state in the market to

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<v Speaker 6>make people behave in the way that they're supposed to,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, to be good sort of like workers for

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<v Speaker 6>the workers for the great market. You need something else,

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<v Speaker 6>is specifically, neoliberalism needs its own form of collectivity. It

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<v Speaker 6>needs its own thing that creates social bonds between people.

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<v Speaker 6>It needs its own kind of sort of identification to

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<v Speaker 6>combat the sort of collective society of the left. Now

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<v Speaker 6>part of Roke's plan, and this is something you share

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<v Speaker 6>us with the other orderliberals is that they want to

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<v Speaker 6>do this with you know, they want to use the

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<v Speaker 6>patriarchal family and small businesses as like the sort of

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<v Speaker 6>social basis of all of their sort of right wing politics.

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<v Speaker 6>This is very durable rating politics stuff they also have. Weirdly,

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<v Speaker 6>this is one of the things it's in the fifties

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<v Speaker 6>and sixties is there's a lot of sort of on

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<v Speaker 6>every side of the political aisle, like kind of romantic

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<v Speaker 6>utopianism ish about like the countryside, ya. You know, this

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<v Speaker 6>can swing wildly between like Mao or like the Japanese

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<v Speaker 6>fascists or the neoliberals. So they have this dream of

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<v Speaker 6>sort of turning rural areas into these like bastions of

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<v Speaker 6>like reaction against the left, and that did kind of

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<v Speaker 6>happen in the US, but it didn't happen like it

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<v Speaker 6>happened because the rural economy was completely annihilated and replaced

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<v Speaker 6>with like a series of meth labs. Not because I

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<v Speaker 6>guess technically was a downstream result. It's just that it didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't the sort of idyllic like good like farmer

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<v Speaker 6>family things that these people wanted.

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<v Speaker 8>So yeah, yeah, they they got there in an interesting way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>with like massive agri business and meth labs are your

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<v Speaker 8>two choices in life?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and like and you know, so like like yes,

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<v Speaker 6>they this is one of these things where instead of

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<v Speaker 6>achieving their goals through cultural means, they achieved their goals

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<v Speaker 6>through like the massive uh like unbelievable economic violence. But

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<v Speaker 6>you know, okay, so that's that's the other thing. That

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<v Speaker 6>that and that's all sort of standardne.

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<v Speaker 5>Liberal theory, right.

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<v Speaker 6>But what makes rope Key kind of unique is that

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<v Speaker 6>she's really one of the first of these people to

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<v Speaker 6>realize that you need another force, and that force is

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<v Speaker 6>the Church. And this is something that people don't talk

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<v Speaker 6>about a lot when they talk about neoliberalism, but a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of these people are very very deeply Christian. Here's

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<v Speaker 6>Roke talking about his ideal society, quote rendering to the

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<v Speaker 6>king what is owed to the king, but also giving

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<v Speaker 6>to God what belongs to God.

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<v Speaker 8>So what belongs to God? Now one now I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, he's it's funny because like he's taken the

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<v Speaker 6>Bible verse like that he's taking to the render under Caesar,

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<v Speaker 6>like what belongs to Caesar.

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<v Speaker 5>Render und blah blah, blah blah blah. But like it's

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<v Speaker 5>he's made it enormously more alarming.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, deeply, like cause like like the thing about

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<v Speaker 6>the render under Caesar is that that's a statement about

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<v Speaker 6>about like living under the Roman Empire, right right, Like

1:12:57.400 --> 1:12:59.720
<v Speaker 6>this is just he just wants you to fucking have

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<v Speaker 6>a king, yes, give shit to everyone needs a god.

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<v Speaker 5>Who is also the king.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, it's not even like like the necessity of the

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<v Speaker 8>state thing, like you just dump dumped in like a pointless, hereditary,

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<v Speaker 8>inbred person to give money to.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean she's not like, so okay, I should

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<v Speaker 6>I should probably not slander him as thoroughly as I'm

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<v Speaker 6>doing here, because I don't actually quite think he literally

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<v Speaker 6>becomes a monarchist. But she does believe that there should

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<v Speaker 6>be like I don't know, you describe it like there

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<v Speaker 6>should be democratic parties, but that like actual economic policy

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<v Speaker 6>shouldn't be like managed by them, Like you need like

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<v Speaker 6>a super thing above the democracy, which is the IMF,

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<v Speaker 6>to make sure that there's the little the little democratic

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<v Speaker 6>people don't like start getting any ideas about the economy.

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<v Speaker 8>Like a technocracy like a yeah, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 6>Like the thing with the technocracy and this is this

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<v Speaker 6>is genuinely kind of what has been happening in Europe

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<v Speaker 6>is that like living under a technocracy really sucks. Like

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<v Speaker 6>it sucks like politically, it sucks materially, and it sucks

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<v Speaker 6>like emotionally. And you know, the right has been able

1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:19.880
<v Speaker 6>to make a lot out of sort of like this

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<v Speaker 6>opposition to like the global bureaucracies or whatever, which is like, okay,

1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:24.679
<v Speaker 6>like you guys maade these things in the first place,

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<v Speaker 6>Like I, I, you know, you don't get a fucking

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<v Speaker 6>complain about the bureaucracies that you set up and ran,

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<v Speaker 6>but you know I haven't stomped him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. But but rop Key, rope Key.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, so a lot of the other order liberals

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<v Speaker 6>become really sort of like you know, are become obsessed

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<v Speaker 6>with taking over the IMF, which they do, and they

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<v Speaker 6>take over the World Bank and they become you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they do that stuff. Rope Key is obsessed with using

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<v Speaker 6>the with using religion as like another kind of social

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<v Speaker 6>force that he can bind to the other bull sort

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<v Speaker 6>of movement together with, and so he sets out to

1:14:57.600 --> 1:15:01.719
<v Speaker 6>form like like a react kind of like reactionary Catholic

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<v Speaker 6>international to bring the ioliberalism to the world.

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<v Speaker 8>That is a troubling concept.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so it.

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<v Speaker 6>Doesn't work, which is the good news. Well, and the

1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:12.880
<v Speaker 6>problem is it doesn't work. It's not that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>work because it's a bad idea. The reason that it

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't work is that he's trying this in like the

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<v Speaker 6>fifties and sixties and it is too early for that shit,

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<v Speaker 6>like you know, I mean, and it's something I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like I should at some point, I should actually do

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<v Speaker 6>a deep dive into this on the show. But I've

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<v Speaker 6>talked about this a couple of times. There is a

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<v Speaker 6>very powerful form of kind of like conservative Christian politics

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<v Speaker 6>in Europe at this time. It's like the Christian democracy movements.

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<v Speaker 6>There's like if every single country if you look at

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<v Speaker 6>it like this, from like the fifties through like the nineties,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, and even to this day. In Germany, for example,

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<v Speaker 6>like there was a party called the Christian Democrats. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>and they win like at least sixty percent of all elections,

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<v Speaker 6>like in Italy, they're in power for like forty years.

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<v Speaker 6>But the problem with Christian democracy from the perspective of

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<v Speaker 6>someone like Roki is that like if you if you

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<v Speaker 6>take like these parties, right, these parties are you know,

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<v Speaker 6>these are these are the Christian Conservatives of this era.

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<v Speaker 6>They are way way too far left for uh, for Roki.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's not just the sort of like Rope look

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<v Speaker 6>got how far right rop Key as although he is

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<v Speaker 6>so like if if you took Elder Moro, who's like

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<v Speaker 6>the great Italian Christian democratic statesman, multiple time Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 6>of Italy killed in an insane web of conspiracies, like

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<v Speaker 6>if you yeah, look like if you took Elder Moro

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<v Speaker 6>and you dropped him into the modern American Congress, he

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<v Speaker 6>would be to the left. He is again the leader,

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<v Speaker 6>he's like the leader of Italian well he's technically from

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<v Speaker 6>the central left faction of the Christian Democrats, but he's

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<v Speaker 6>like the guy who's not a socialist or a communist,

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<v Speaker 6>like in terms of Italian politicans, who's not also a fascist.

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<v Speaker 6>And if you took him from like the seventies and

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<v Speaker 6>you plopped him into the American car he would be

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<v Speaker 6>to the left of AOC, like AOC is pro cease

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<v Speaker 6>fire in Gaza, right, like she she's pro cease fire

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<v Speaker 6>in in Palestine. Aldo Borrow allowed the popular threat for

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<v Speaker 6>the Liberation of Palestine, which is the Palestinian Communist pera

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<v Speaker 6>military to operate out of and carry out attacks like

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<v Speaker 6>from Italy.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, like this guy you would like she is, well,

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<v Speaker 8>if you go far enough, right, you might get that

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<v Speaker 8>as well.

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<v Speaker 6>To be fair, no, but but it wouldn't be the

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<v Speaker 6>PFLP though, Yeah, I guess, I guess some of the

1:17:31.240 --> 1:17:34.320
<v Speaker 6>German neo Nazis kind of liked them, but right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>Like like imagine in the US any politician being like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>the PFLP could operate out of the US or only

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<v Speaker 6>our only our only condition is that we like we're

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<v Speaker 6>gonna let you operate, but we're not gonna like protect

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<v Speaker 6>you from uh like shim Bett or whatever, like the masade, Yeah,

1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:54.479
<v Speaker 6>like racking pack you from the massade like that. But

1:17:54.600 --> 1:17:56.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, you can you can do your stuff here.

1:17:56.280 --> 1:18:00.400
<v Speaker 6>Could you imagine that shit happening? This guy was, This

1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:04.680
<v Speaker 6>guy is a conservative in Europe right in He's like,

1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:07.080
<v Speaker 6>you know, so this is what Roke's responding to. You

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<v Speaker 6>like the existing Christian you know, and you know, to

1:18:11.479 --> 1:18:15.559
<v Speaker 6>some extent, like the Christian the Christian Democrats are very

1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:19.080
<v Speaker 6>very successful stopping communism, right, They're really good at it.

1:18:19.120 --> 1:18:22.840
<v Speaker 6>They stop communism from taking hold anywhere in Europe, but

1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:30.479
<v Speaker 6>they're not like capitalist enough for Roke. So when we

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<v Speaker 6>come back from this thing Roki would have loved, which

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<v Speaker 6>is ad transitions, we're going to talk about more of

1:18:38.080 --> 1:18:42.760
<v Speaker 6>what Roki was doing and how it shaped neoliberalism and

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<v Speaker 6>the Christian right. Woo yay, we're back. Rochi is having

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<v Speaker 6>a great time.

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<v Speaker 5>Is Grave.

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<v Speaker 6>We're gonna get the thing that makes them spin it

1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:06.439
<v Speaker 6>his grave, which I'm very excited about accent. But Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>so you know, like as we've sort of been talking about,

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<v Speaker 6>the Christian Democrats are not the Christian the Christian Democrats

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<v Speaker 6>and a lot of countries are Catholic, some of them,

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<v Speaker 6>like I think, like there are Protestant like Christian anectionsmen,

1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:23.920
<v Speaker 6>but like yeah, but like a lot of a lot

1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:25.639
<v Speaker 6>of them are Catholic. So I mean, it's it's it's

1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:28.639
<v Speaker 6>a really interesting kind of like predecessor to like modern

1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:31.240
<v Speaker 6>fire right politics where you get these like both of

1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:33.720
<v Speaker 6>the US and Latin America, will you get these sort

1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:36.840
<v Speaker 6>of like these Catholic Protestant alliances like this is this

1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:38.880
<v Speaker 6>is like Matt Walsh, you know, we're gonna be talking

1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:40.519
<v Speaker 6>about more in the next two days, like is a

1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:43.120
<v Speaker 6>Catholic theocrat, right, but a lot of his base are

1:19:43.800 --> 1:19:47.679
<v Speaker 6>like you know, are like Baptists and like the more

1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:53.360
<v Speaker 6>even more feral charismatic Christians and like you know, but

1:19:53.360 --> 1:19:54.920
<v Speaker 6>but you know, but these these groups are able to

1:19:54.920 --> 1:19:56.960
<v Speaker 6>sort of work together, but they're not able. They're not

1:19:57.000 --> 1:20:00.960
<v Speaker 6>working together with it. Roki wants so. And this is

1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:03.759
<v Speaker 6>the thing that I think is very very scary about

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<v Speaker 6>rok and and especially about the people who took this

1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:12.120
<v Speaker 6>model right, whether explicitly or implicitly, people who people who

1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:14.400
<v Speaker 6>figure out the same because a lot of people, some

1:20:14.439 --> 1:20:17.280
<v Speaker 6>people like kind of directly go for Roky. Some people

1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:23.760
<v Speaker 6>discover it through like I very weird readings, right wing

1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:24.879
<v Speaker 6>readings of Gramsci.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a whole thing. I'll talk Yeah, one day, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 6>Get Eve on the show and we're going to talk

1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:33.759
<v Speaker 6>about that, because it's fucking wild.

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<v Speaker 8>What the yeah, wow, I think that Gramsky is not

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<v Speaker 8>the most like inaccessible you know, like it. You know,

1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:47.840
<v Speaker 8>there are some like left theorists who just just vomit

1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:49.920
<v Speaker 8>words so much so you can just project a meaning

1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:50.160
<v Speaker 8>on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have not their thing.

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<v Speaker 6>This is, this is eve Angers like thesis is that

1:20:57.120 --> 1:21:00.559
<v Speaker 6>these people saw that, like leftists are reading obviously read

1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:02.000
<v Speaker 6>Gromsey and we're like, we're going to do the right

1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:05.160
<v Speaker 6>wing version of this. Okay, yeah, so now it's yeah,

1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:07.640
<v Speaker 6>but you know, so some of these people are rediscovering

1:21:07.640 --> 1:21:09.360
<v Speaker 6>the same things that Ropi has figured out in like

1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:12.400
<v Speaker 6>the fifties. But the thing that Roki is doing is

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<v Speaker 6>he she's figured out all the essential elements of the

1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:18.280
<v Speaker 6>modern Christian right. You promote neoliberalism with one hand, and

1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:21.000
<v Speaker 6>then you sell the solution to the atomization that your

1:21:21.040 --> 1:21:24.960
<v Speaker 6>neoliberalism causes on the other hand with the church and

1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:28.040
<v Speaker 6>the church, yes, we will serve as the basis of

1:21:28.040 --> 1:21:29.120
<v Speaker 6>your political organization.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that is that is a there's a way of

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<v Speaker 8>doing it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and it's an interesting there's a lot of people

1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:40.360
<v Speaker 6>who do this same thing. Like at some point I'm

1:21:40.360 --> 1:21:43.080
<v Speaker 6>going to finish my I'm going to write the thing

1:21:43.160 --> 1:21:47.040
<v Speaker 6>about like this is actually what libertarianism is for a

1:21:47.080 --> 1:21:50.600
<v Speaker 6>broad extent, is that libertarians are the people who like

1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:54.240
<v Speaker 6>take the problems that the market produces and then try

1:21:54.280 --> 1:21:56.519
<v Speaker 6>to sell you a solution which is more of those

1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:58.240
<v Speaker 6>same problems but worded differently.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah. Yeah, so with people that weed now, so it's fine.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but but you know so, but this is this

1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:09.320
<v Speaker 6>is the Christian version of it. But again, rope Key

1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:12.599
<v Speaker 6>to a large extent is smarter than the people who

1:22:12.600 --> 1:22:18.120
<v Speaker 6>come after him, because he understands that this project, this

1:22:18.120 --> 1:22:21.759
<v Speaker 6>this this sort of Christian deliberal project is a constant

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<v Speaker 6>struggle against adimization. That and and this adamization has to

1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:28.799
<v Speaker 6>be actively politically combated by the Church, like both politically

1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:33.880
<v Speaker 6>and socially. And if it's not like actively combated by

1:22:33.920 --> 1:22:36.240
<v Speaker 6>the Church, this whole project is going to start to

1:22:36.280 --> 1:22:41.120
<v Speaker 6>come apart. Now rope Key is not the man who's

1:22:41.120 --> 1:22:42.920
<v Speaker 6>going to lead the mob of Christian fanatics into the

1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:44.880
<v Speaker 6>Promised Land. And part of this is also because he

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<v Speaker 6>is like too racist for like the sixties, which again

1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:55.519
<v Speaker 6>like so like in the parts of the sixties when

1:22:55.560 --> 1:22:58.479
<v Speaker 6>he's saying the really racist stuff like segregation is legal

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<v Speaker 6>in the US, right, like yeah, like that this is

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<v Speaker 6>this is this is where we're at with this. He's

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<v Speaker 6>too racist for that. And the thing that he's really

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<v Speaker 6>really racist about is Rhodesia. Oh fucking hell, I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>expect appearance. Yeah, yeah, this is this is the Rhodesia pivot,

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<v Speaker 6>which is that like okay, so the orthodox neoliberals, people

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<v Speaker 6>like Hayak are pro Rhodesia, right, And this is a

1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:23.840
<v Speaker 6>Milton friedmand that these people are pro Rhodesia, but they're

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<v Speaker 6>smart enough to use dog whistles and talk about it

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<v Speaker 6>in terms of like economic terms and like stability of

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<v Speaker 6>gar and blah.

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<v Speaker 5>Blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 6>Roke is just openly saying race warship, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>gonna read it, but he is effectively like the spiritual

1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:40.400
<v Speaker 6>forefadder of like the four Chane mass shooter.

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<v Speaker 5>Like that, that's how racist he is.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, it turns out that just again openly

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<v Speaker 6>like open race war ship is like too much for Hyak,

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<v Speaker 6>and he gets kicked out of the manju m liberal

1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:56.280
<v Speaker 6>organizations and tragically, tragically for all of us, Rokey dies

1:23:56.320 --> 1:23:58.840
<v Speaker 6>before you can see his beloved Rhodesia reduced to a

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<v Speaker 6>pulp by the series events IMPERIALSS insurgencies.

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<v Speaker 5>He dies.

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<v Speaker 6>He dies before all of the Rhodesian or like society's

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<v Speaker 6>fucking fuel supplies stored in one spot or blown out.

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<v Speaker 8>I say, see, if they'd had a more distributed market economy, maya,

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<v Speaker 8>they would have had just just that all their fuel

1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:20.000
<v Speaker 8>in one giant bottle which they burned. Spoiler love for

1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:22.360
<v Speaker 8>anyone who hasn't been following the history of Rhodesia, not

1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:23.240
<v Speaker 8>the country anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank Christ. I actually don't think Christ. Fuck Christ,

1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:27.519
<v Speaker 5>Christy new ship.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, thank all those people who went out there and

1:24:30.240 --> 1:24:33.960
<v Speaker 8>killed bigger list, et cetera. Yeah, and of course all

1:24:34.000 --> 1:24:36.080
<v Speaker 8>the American people who went over to join the Rhodesian

1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:39.360
<v Speaker 8>military and killed other white Rhodesians by accident, by shooting

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<v Speaker 8>at people who were theoretically on their side.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, shout out to them. We're not going to get

1:24:45.160 --> 1:24:49.280
<v Speaker 6>into North Korea backing another genocide in Zimbabwe here. That's

1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:52.479
<v Speaker 6>also a fucking thing. I've not doing apologies for that

1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:55.559
<v Speaker 6>because actually fucking sucked. Yeah, but you know, Okay, but

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<v Speaker 6>he he dies before he can see his beloved Rhdesia

1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:04.519
<v Speaker 6>fucking eat shit and die. But what Roki had is

1:25:04.560 --> 1:25:09.040
<v Speaker 6>a very clear version of the hierarchical neoliberal society that

1:25:09.040 --> 1:25:14.000
<v Speaker 6>he wanted to create. Right, and he is very especially

1:25:14.000 --> 1:25:17.080
<v Speaker 6>by the end of his life, he is very explicit.

1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:18.240
<v Speaker 5>About what this is.

1:25:18.680 --> 1:25:22.320
<v Speaker 6>It is a Christian, white supremacist, patriarchal world and to

1:25:22.360 --> 1:25:24.519
<v Speaker 6>build it, the right is going to have to use

1:25:24.560 --> 1:25:38.760
<v Speaker 6>the church to stave off the alienization and adamization of capitalism,

1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:42.400
<v Speaker 6>and we're back now in order to build this.

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<v Speaker 5>New world, the world that Roke sort of.

1:25:44.160 --> 1:25:47.120
<v Speaker 6>Imagines, the religious right, the actual religious right that's going

1:25:47.160 --> 1:25:49.920
<v Speaker 6>to bring this up into fuition, sets off from a

1:25:49.960 --> 1:25:52.760
<v Speaker 6>number of angles. I think the most famous part of

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<v Speaker 6>this is probably the sort of moral majority infrastructure, which

1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:59.120
<v Speaker 6>is this network of like think Tank's political advocacy organization's

1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:06.759
<v Speaker 6>TV networksailing lists, like their own insane right wing colleges. Yeah, god,

1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:11.760
<v Speaker 6>terrifying places. But the fundamental social basis, right, the fundamental

1:26:11.800 --> 1:26:16.479
<v Speaker 6>collective space around which the right is organized was the church.

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<v Speaker 6>There's been a lot of sociological talk in the last

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<v Speaker 6>few years about like quote unquote third spaces. So the

1:26:23.280 --> 1:26:25.040
<v Speaker 6>third space is supposed to be this place that's like

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<v Speaker 6>not the home or not the workplace that people can

1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:31.680
<v Speaker 6>exist in inform bonds in, and you know, people talk

1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:33.759
<v Speaker 6>about like bridge clubs, blah.

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<v Speaker 5>Blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 6>But the thing about the US is that like the

1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:41.160
<v Speaker 6>fucking YMCA, like all of these things that people talk

1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:43.479
<v Speaker 6>about as the third space are just the church in

1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:49.040
<v Speaker 6>different forms. Literally, church or a bunch of church run events.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, especially like the more like rural you get like

1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:57.240
<v Speaker 8>it is, yes, and this is this is one of

1:26:57.240 --> 1:26:58.960
<v Speaker 8>these things like that this was actually like one of

1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:01.120
<v Speaker 8>the sort of rear flame to the workers movement, right,

1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:03.960
<v Speaker 8>which is that like in large parts of Appalachia, right,

1:27:03.960 --> 1:27:06.559
<v Speaker 8>you have a bunch of really really militant like miners

1:27:06.640 --> 1:27:07.559
<v Speaker 8>unions for example.

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<v Speaker 6>But then you know, but all of them are also

1:27:10.600 --> 1:27:13.439
<v Speaker 6>like are also are also Baptists. And that is fine

1:27:13.560 --> 1:27:16.000
<v Speaker 6>as long as you know you're you're you're dealing with

1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:18.120
<v Speaker 6>Baptists who are doing well. I mean, I say fine,

1:27:18.160 --> 1:27:21.880
<v Speaker 6>but like it's not an existential threat to the workers

1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:25.160
<v Speaker 6>movement when you're dealing with like like you know, like

1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:27.880
<v Speaker 6>it's easier for an arrow to like, sorry, it's easier

1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:29.200
<v Speaker 6>for a camel to walk through the head of a

1:27:29.200 --> 1:27:31.040
<v Speaker 6>pin than it is for a rich man to go

1:27:31.080 --> 1:27:34.759
<v Speaker 6>to have in Baptists. But the moment that still starts flipping,

1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:36.840
<v Speaker 6>that's a very very dangerous sort of rear guard. You

1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:40.000
<v Speaker 6>see this Nasian American communities where like you know, Asian

1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:44.439
<v Speaker 6>Americans generally, like the last two generations like Millennials and

1:27:44.479 --> 1:27:48.240
<v Speaker 6>gen Z are tacking really really hard left, except the

1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:52.880
<v Speaker 6>fucking Christians who are like forming this for this insane rearguard.

1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:55.760
<v Speaker 6>Because I've complained about this before, an fucking I'm doing this,

1:27:55.760 --> 1:27:57.200
<v Speaker 6>this is this, this is a Christianity episode.

1:27:57.200 --> 1:27:59.360
<v Speaker 5>I could talk about this that the.

1:27:59.320 --> 1:28:01.719
<v Speaker 6>Thing to think about Asian Christians is that they're all

1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:05.080
<v Speaker 6>they're almost all like first Chen converts, so they all

1:28:05.120 --> 1:28:06.200
<v Speaker 6>have convert brain.

1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:09.479
<v Speaker 5>Which means they're completely fucking batshit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, and this is one of the things

1:28:11.479 --> 1:28:13.640
<v Speaker 6>that we're talking about here, right, is that the physically

1:28:13.720 --> 1:28:16.439
<v Speaker 6>the church serves as this very very important engine kind

1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:18.280
<v Speaker 6>of kind of revolution. It serves this engine of sort

1:28:18.280 --> 1:28:21.320
<v Speaker 6>of spreading reactionary politics even among groups of people who

1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:23.479
<v Speaker 6>you normally wouldn't get that kind of sort of right

1:28:23.479 --> 1:28:28.120
<v Speaker 6>wing politics from. And this is where, you know, face

1:28:28.280 --> 1:28:30.800
<v Speaker 6>face with the sort of leftward shifts in the US

1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:33.000
<v Speaker 6>and the sixties and seventies globally too, a face with

1:28:33.120 --> 1:28:36.200
<v Speaker 6>you know, I mean literally the specter of revolutions and

1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:38.800
<v Speaker 6>not even like sometimes not even in specters like you know,

1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:40.960
<v Speaker 6>this is post sixty eight, right, there's been a bunch

1:28:40.960 --> 1:28:45.519
<v Speaker 6>of actual uprisings. Yeah, and they're the place that they

1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:47.760
<v Speaker 6>make their move is by trying to seize control of

1:28:47.840 --> 1:28:50.519
<v Speaker 6>various pieces of church infrastructure. We're going to take a

1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:53.200
<v Speaker 6>Catholic example and a Protestant example, and we're not going

1:28:53.280 --> 1:28:55.880
<v Speaker 6>to do the obvious Orthodox example because we'd be here

1:28:55.880 --> 1:28:57.439
<v Speaker 6>for a fucking century.

1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:02.240
<v Speaker 5>So let's start with Roki beloved Catholic Church. I think.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if I'm gonna do a little bit

1:29:05.080 --> 1:29:07.320
<v Speaker 6>of left inside baseball. I think people on the left

1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:12.639
<v Speaker 6>tend to be really obsessed with the like liberation theology people.

1:29:13.520 --> 1:29:16.880
<v Speaker 6>But the problem with liberation theology people is that they

1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:21.599
<v Speaker 6>were around for maybe like thirty years, right, but by

1:29:21.600 --> 1:29:23.000
<v Speaker 6>the time you get to the end of the eighties,

1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:26.719
<v Speaker 6>these people are all dead, right, Like they're either dead

1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:30.679
<v Speaker 6>or they're like Ortega, and they've become these like literally

1:29:30.680 --> 1:29:34.160
<v Speaker 6>they start calling themselves the Third Way and are like

1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:38.800
<v Speaker 6>cutting all these deals with like really right wing social groups.

1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:44.360
<v Speaker 6>And so this means that the dominant politics of like

1:29:44.920 --> 1:29:47.680
<v Speaker 6>the capital like t Capital c.

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<v Speaker 5>The Catholic Church is very gets very very right wing.

1:29:56.080 --> 1:29:57.679
<v Speaker 6>Well it's not even that as much as it gets

1:29:57.720 --> 1:30:00.160
<v Speaker 6>right wing, but it is very right wing, and that

1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:03.120
<v Speaker 6>they're doing is very very scary. One of the things

1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:05.519
<v Speaker 6>that I don't think people really realize. Is that so

1:30:05.600 --> 1:30:10.120
<v Speaker 6>that probably you've heard the term gender ideology, Yeah, yes

1:30:10.240 --> 1:30:10.519
<v Speaker 6>I have.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, do you know where that's from? Is it from?

1:30:15.160 --> 1:30:21.920
<v Speaker 8>I've fucking forgotten the place where Harry Potter goes Hogwarts. Yeah.

1:30:22.000 --> 1:30:25.920
<v Speaker 8>JFK is a fucking Johnny come late bastard. Like she

1:30:25.920 --> 1:30:27.920
<v Speaker 8>she she got into this game after that ship had

1:30:27.960 --> 1:30:32.679
<v Speaker 8>already started. Gender ideology is a term k rowling. Jfk

1:30:32.800 --> 1:30:35.120
<v Speaker 8>rowling is powerful.

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<v Speaker 5>Speak like this.

1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:42.800
<v Speaker 6>The term gender ideology comes from the Catholic Church, and

1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:48.720
<v Speaker 6>it's developed in reactions specifically to feminism, and very specifically

1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:54.680
<v Speaker 6>it's developed in reaction to to arguments from feminists that that,

1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:57.519
<v Speaker 6>you know, that gender is socially constructed, you know, because

1:30:57.560 --> 1:30:59.559
<v Speaker 6>in the Catholic church's position is like, well no, that's

1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:03.439
<v Speaker 6>herradic because obviously gender was assigned by God, and because

1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:06.680
<v Speaker 6>gender just signed by God, like women are like you know,

1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:09.840
<v Speaker 6>women are like like submissive blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah,

1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:12.320
<v Speaker 6>like naturally, this is this is the natural order. This

1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:15.320
<v Speaker 6>isn't like a sociologically constructed thing. This is the natural orders.

1:31:15.320 --> 1:31:18.120
<v Speaker 6>Always been in talis, always billy b because they're like

1:31:18.600 --> 1:31:20.960
<v Speaker 6>Nike unfathomably sexist.

1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:24.880
<v Speaker 8>Is this like around there, like Elaine Pagel's beef with

1:31:24.880 --> 1:31:27.760
<v Speaker 8>the Church, I'm not sure of Blaine Pagel's. If me

1:31:27.840 --> 1:31:31.479
<v Speaker 8>with Elaine Pagel's God the Father Got the Mother.

1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:34.400
<v Speaker 5>I think this is a bit before my time.

1:31:35.040 --> 1:31:38.799
<v Speaker 8>Okay, yeah, yeah, this is uh the World's History stands

1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:40.880
<v Speaker 8>at the University of California in common topic.

1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:43.880
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think I think this is actually in the same.

1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:48.400
<v Speaker 8>I've played videos of her to my students, and definitely

1:31:48.439 --> 1:31:51.519
<v Speaker 8>in the eighties, like the vibe is powerfully eighties.

1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:53.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so I guess that's a bit late because so

1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:55.360
<v Speaker 6>a lot of the general all this stuff comes out

1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:55.880
<v Speaker 6>of the early night.

1:31:55.920 --> 1:31:57.679
<v Speaker 5>Well, I guess it's like early nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>So one of the things that happens is that a

1:32:02.439 --> 1:32:04.960
<v Speaker 6>lot of you know, in the nineties, the Catholic Church,

1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:07.439
<v Speaker 6>and they have a bunch of like radfem allies here.

1:32:07.479 --> 1:32:11.000
<v Speaker 6>By the way, do you have this massive fight in

1:32:11.080 --> 1:32:15.519
<v Speaker 6>the un about like recognizing the right to abortions and

1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:20.040
<v Speaker 6>other like sexually reproductive rights, And the Red Fems are

1:32:20.080 --> 1:32:24.240
<v Speaker 6>pissed off because I mean there's a whole so they've

1:32:24.240 --> 1:32:25.840
<v Speaker 6>been they're aligned with the Catholic Church is like an

1:32:25.880 --> 1:32:28.680
<v Speaker 6>anti sex work thing and like an anti porn thing.

1:32:29.600 --> 1:32:32.160
<v Speaker 6>And then also like a lot of the redfems. Well,

1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:34.760
<v Speaker 6>I get I've gotten so much trouble for saying this,

1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:37.760
<v Speaker 6>but like, holy shit, there's somebody those people are insanely technsphobic.

1:32:38.600 --> 1:32:41.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah damn wow, but you know, but like this is

1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:44.080
<v Speaker 6>this is this, There's this massive battle inside the United

1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:46.960
<v Speaker 6>Nations between a bunch of feminists and or like feminist

1:32:46.960 --> 1:32:51.719
<v Speaker 6>who are like normal and then like the shitty RATFM

1:32:51.800 --> 1:32:55.160
<v Speaker 6>factions and the Catholic Church on the other side, and

1:32:55.439 --> 1:32:58.519
<v Speaker 6>Pope Benedict in particular goes like all out on this stuff,

1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:01.120
<v Speaker 6>both on the international level and intern with like local churches,

1:33:01.160 --> 1:33:03.599
<v Speaker 6>like goes on the offensive against abortion in queer liberation.

1:33:04.560 --> 1:33:07.680
<v Speaker 6>And meanwhile the Protestant Church is doing like exactly the

1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:12.000
<v Speaker 6>same thing. They're like pro except like I think, I think,

1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:16.479
<v Speaker 6>like even more fascist, which is really really and I

1:33:16.720 --> 1:33:18.640
<v Speaker 6>say this is someone who has raised Lutheran like that

1:33:18.640 --> 1:33:21.040
<v Speaker 6>that is really the core of Protestantism is like what

1:33:21.080 --> 1:33:25.360
<v Speaker 6>if we did Catholicism but like somehow shittier, like like

1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:28.200
<v Speaker 6>Martin Luther. One day I'm going to do my thing

1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:30.200
<v Speaker 6>on the world's greatest kind of revolutionaries, and then one

1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:32.800
<v Speaker 6>of them is Martin Luther because oh yeah, very cley,

1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:34.920
<v Speaker 6>because like like I might, my argument for this is

1:33:34.920 --> 1:33:36.760
<v Speaker 6>that the greatest kind of revolutionary is the person who

1:33:36.800 --> 1:33:39.759
<v Speaker 6>starts out at on on the side of the revolution

1:33:39.880 --> 1:33:42.200
<v Speaker 6>and then turns against it. And so Martin Luther's thing

1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:46.360
<v Speaker 6>was he was trying to outflank the Catholic Church in

1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:51.559
<v Speaker 6>the sixteen hundreds from the right on anti Semitism. Sorry,

1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:55.160
<v Speaker 6>I meant a sixteen sixteenth century fififteen hundred, fifty hundreds,

1:33:55.240 --> 1:33:58.240
<v Speaker 6>which is even worse, fifty hundreds Catholic Church they have expelled,

1:33:58.720 --> 1:34:01.120
<v Speaker 6>they have like the of the this is this is

1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:02.960
<v Speaker 6>in the period where they're like expelling all of the

1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:06.320
<v Speaker 6>Jews from Spain, right, and Martin Luther's trying to like

1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:09.320
<v Speaker 6>flank them, and this is the kind of shit that's

1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:13.320
<v Speaker 6>happening like in the US at this point, which is

1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:14.720
<v Speaker 6>you know, this is this is this is the this

1:34:14.760 --> 1:34:17.240
<v Speaker 6>is the Protestant sort of following the Catholic like why

1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:20.479
<v Speaker 6>and in some ways blazing their own trail of of

1:34:21.000 --> 1:34:24.680
<v Speaker 6>going really hard right. So probably the most famous and

1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:27.240
<v Speaker 6>I think definitely one of the most important examples of

1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:32.200
<v Speaker 6>this is the right wing seizure of the Southern Baptist.

1:34:31.880 --> 1:34:33.120
<v Speaker 5>Convention in nineteen seventy nine.

1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:35.920
<v Speaker 6>So for people who don't know about the Southern Baptist Convention,

1:34:36.000 --> 1:34:41.000
<v Speaker 6>they are a very very large and influential like group

1:34:41.080 --> 1:34:44.519
<v Speaker 6>of Baptist churches, and they've been kind of like they'd

1:34:44.560 --> 1:34:48.479
<v Speaker 6>been anti segregation, they've been sort of like trending left,

1:34:49.840 --> 1:34:51.800
<v Speaker 6>and there's this is one of the things. This is

1:34:51.800 --> 1:34:55.559
<v Speaker 6>a very very famous thing in the history, like if

1:34:55.600 --> 1:34:57.720
<v Speaker 6>if you're you know, it's sort of like the history

1:34:57.760 --> 1:34:59.719
<v Speaker 6>and mythos of the right wing is like in nineteen

1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:02.160
<v Speaker 6>seventy nine, at this convention, these like there's like these

1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:03.719
<v Speaker 6>group of pastors who are.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, ah, the church is getting too woke or getting

1:35:06.400 --> 1:35:06.840
<v Speaker 5>too left.

1:35:07.280 --> 1:35:10.040
<v Speaker 6>They scrolled out this plan like on a fucking napkin

1:35:10.600 --> 1:35:12.400
<v Speaker 6>to like how they were going to take over the church.

1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:13.960
<v Speaker 5>And they do it. They see they.

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<v Speaker 6>See control of the Southern Baptist Convention and they purge

1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:21.759
<v Speaker 6>all of their enemies and it is very very quickly,

1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:23.960
<v Speaker 6>within a matter of like a couple of years, it's

1:35:24.000 --> 1:35:28.200
<v Speaker 6>converted into this factory for right wing violence. Yeah, they

1:35:28.400 --> 1:35:31.519
<v Speaker 6>they are They ruthlessly purge acting thiscent in the churches.

1:35:31.560 --> 1:35:33.880
<v Speaker 6>A bunch of churches leave because they're like what the

1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:36.400
<v Speaker 6>who the fuck are these people, like just these absolute

1:35:36.479 --> 1:35:38.519
<v Speaker 6>right wing fanatics. Is like I've taken controls. A bunch

1:35:38.520 --> 1:35:41.120
<v Speaker 6>of churches leave, but a lot of them stay, and

1:35:42.120 --> 1:35:44.600
<v Speaker 6>you know what they're what their project is is that

1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:48.680
<v Speaker 6>they start creating these sort of totalitarian micro states, like

1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:50.559
<v Speaker 6>in like this is this what they turn churches into,

1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:53.080
<v Speaker 6>and this is what they turn households into. Because these

1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:58.519
<v Speaker 6>households become enormous centers of abuse, like just unfathomable amounts

1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:01.000
<v Speaker 6>of violence. Cant sort of get get sort of spread

1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:04.600
<v Speaker 6>out of this stuff. And you know the way that

1:36:04.640 --> 1:36:08.320
<v Speaker 6>these things work, right is is is you may have

1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.439
<v Speaker 6>seen I have you've seen those like fucking deranged umbrella

1:36:11.520 --> 1:36:15.479
<v Speaker 6>memes that the Christian right makes on Twitter. No, I think, so, okay,

1:36:15.479 --> 1:36:17.439
<v Speaker 6>they're supposed to be like these like umbrellas, and there's

1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:20.559
<v Speaker 6>likely or the umbrella like protects you from the things.

1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:22.679
<v Speaker 6>So there's like the family and it's had the family,

1:36:22.720 --> 1:36:25.760
<v Speaker 6>they're like protected by the authority of the husband. You're

1:36:25.800 --> 1:36:27.840
<v Speaker 6>protected by the authority of the church, protected by the

1:36:27.880 --> 1:36:29.880
<v Speaker 6>authority of like the theocratic state.

1:36:31.560 --> 1:36:33.800
<v Speaker 8>Okay, no, this is like the most cursed Russian doll.

1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:35.040
<v Speaker 5>It's awful.

1:36:35.479 --> 1:36:38.040
<v Speaker 6>And this is just what these people believe, right, and

1:36:38.040 --> 1:36:41.080
<v Speaker 6>and they they enforce this through psychological and physical violence.

1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:44.360
<v Speaker 6>These people are they're sending out instruction manuals about how

1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:47.880
<v Speaker 6>to beat your children right, and how to do it

1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:50.280
<v Speaker 6>in ways that you won't get caught, you know. And

1:36:50.479 --> 1:36:53.000
<v Speaker 6>like what I'm saying that these are like totalitarian micro states,

1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:55.800
<v Speaker 6>that's not an exaggeration that that is what these households are. Like,

1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:59.760
<v Speaker 6>they're unbelievably violent. You as a child, there's under constant surveillance.

1:37:00.120 --> 1:37:03.400
<v Speaker 6>You're literally forced to through physical violence to maintain their

1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:07.280
<v Speaker 6>gender norms. And this is the base of the Christian

1:37:07.400 --> 1:37:11.080
<v Speaker 6>of the homophobic Christian right. These churches are pumping out shocktroopers.

1:37:11.800 --> 1:37:15.320
<v Speaker 6>And these are the shocktroopers both of neoliberalism and homophobic

1:37:15.320 --> 1:37:18.360
<v Speaker 6>and transphobic violence. And when I say shocktroopers, I do

1:37:18.439 --> 1:37:20.800
<v Speaker 6>mean this literally. Because an enormous number of these people,

1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:21.880
<v Speaker 6>and this is part of.

1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:24.680
<v Speaker 5>The reason's politics, it starts to fall apart. Like I

1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:25.719
<v Speaker 5>grew up around these people.

1:37:25.800 --> 1:37:27.400
<v Speaker 6>A lot of these people went to fucking a rock

1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:31.120
<v Speaker 6>and got the absolute shit blown out of them. But

1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:37.680
<v Speaker 6>you know, these people, like these these churches, this is

1:37:37.840 --> 1:37:40.880
<v Speaker 6>you know, you can look at the sort of panopoly

1:37:41.160 --> 1:37:44.400
<v Speaker 6>of the people who do right wing like homophobic violence,

1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:46.599
<v Speaker 6>right the queer basher, the peroneu kicks their kid out

1:37:46.640 --> 1:37:49.439
<v Speaker 6>of their homes for being gay, the homophobic boss who

1:37:49.479 --> 1:37:52.040
<v Speaker 6>fires and abuses queer workers, the doctor who assaults us

1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:54.439
<v Speaker 6>and then denies his medical care. These people are pumped

1:37:54.479 --> 1:37:57.760
<v Speaker 6>up by the church. And what the church is doing

1:37:57.760 --> 1:38:00.799
<v Speaker 6>here is they're serving as the equivalent of sort of

1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:02.639
<v Speaker 6>of unions in the left right. And when I say unions,

1:38:02.680 --> 1:38:05.160
<v Speaker 6>I'm talking more like the nineteen oh seven iww of

1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:08.400
<v Speaker 6>in like the twenty twenty three AFLCIO. These churches are

1:38:08.439 --> 1:38:11.240
<v Speaker 6>the social and organizational space in which the right constructs

1:38:11.240 --> 1:38:14.600
<v Speaker 6>its world right, it's the sort of nexus of homophobic

1:38:14.720 --> 1:38:17.720
<v Speaker 6>organizing from the beginnings of the homophobic right through like

1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:23.960
<v Speaker 6>their fight against gay marriage. But Kaba, something happened that

1:38:24.040 --> 1:38:27.360
<v Speaker 6>Ropeke well, I think rope Key might have suspected this,

1:38:28.040 --> 1:38:32.400
<v Speaker 6>But something happens that his inheritors did not expect. And

1:38:32.439 --> 1:38:36.160
<v Speaker 6>that's something is the only thing I failed to consider

1:38:36.280 --> 1:38:41.400
<v Speaker 6>is what if neoliberalism came for the church so one

1:38:41.439 --> 1:38:43.840
<v Speaker 6>of the things that has happened in the last and

1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:48.960
<v Speaker 6>I mean literally we are talking the last ten years

1:38:49.120 --> 1:38:51.360
<v Speaker 6>or ten to fifteen years. Really the last like ten

1:38:51.439 --> 1:38:54.519
<v Speaker 6>years church attendants and this is also actually true well

1:38:54.640 --> 1:38:56.759
<v Speaker 6>of sending out on mosco attendants with the church tendants

1:38:56.760 --> 1:38:59.519
<v Speaker 6>has been declining way more. It used to be like

1:38:59.720 --> 1:39:01.720
<v Speaker 6>you know, if you're are you a member of a

1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:04.040
<v Speaker 6>church moster synagogue r like Gallup has been pulling this

1:39:04.080 --> 1:39:07.559
<v Speaker 6>since the fucking forties. It used to be the rate

1:39:07.600 --> 1:39:09.840
<v Speaker 6>of it of being a member of a church, synagoguara,

1:39:09.920 --> 1:39:16.680
<v Speaker 6>mosque was it was for like basically until like two thousand,

1:39:17.160 --> 1:39:21.840
<v Speaker 6>it was hovering around seventy percent. It's now forty seven.

1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:29.240
<v Speaker 6>That is a catastrophic drop. That is a rewriting of

1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:32.439
<v Speaker 6>like fundamentally what the US is. The US has been

1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:36.599
<v Speaker 6>a like Christian health state like since it was created,

1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:40.240
<v Speaker 6>right like the US is founded by like religious extremists

1:39:40.280 --> 1:39:43.479
<v Speaker 6>whose problem is that they weren't allowed to pursue Catholics enough.

1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:46.679
<v Speaker 6>So this has been this has been a church country

1:39:46.720 --> 1:39:49.200
<v Speaker 6>more so than like most of the European countries. You

1:39:49.240 --> 1:39:54.599
<v Speaker 6>did the settling up until literally the last twenty years,

1:39:55.080 --> 1:39:58.479
<v Speaker 6>and the drop between twenty ten and now is like

1:39:58.640 --> 1:40:03.559
<v Speaker 6>fourteen percent. And this is this is and it's not

1:40:03.920 --> 1:40:07.840
<v Speaker 6>just that the membership rates are going down, like the

1:40:07.920 --> 1:40:11.200
<v Speaker 6>actual actual church attendance is going down, and so and so.

1:40:11.360 --> 1:40:13.559
<v Speaker 6>In this context where less people are going to a church,

1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:18.680
<v Speaker 6>less people belong to a church, the political strategies that

1:40:18.720 --> 1:40:20.920
<v Speaker 6>have been based on using the church as like you

1:40:21.040 --> 1:40:25.000
<v Speaker 6>default social network. Uh, they don't have the kind of

1:40:25.120 --> 1:40:29.960
<v Speaker 6>reachs that they used to. Yeah, and if that's your

1:40:29.960 --> 1:40:32.559
<v Speaker 6>political strategy, this is a catastrophe for you.

1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:35.080
<v Speaker 5>Now you know, we can talk. There are like, there

1:40:35.080 --> 1:40:35.720
<v Speaker 5>are lots of.

1:40:35.680 --> 1:40:37.800
<v Speaker 6>Reasons this is happening, part of which it's sort of

1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:40.360
<v Speaker 6>like the secularization of the US. Part of this is

1:40:40.400 --> 1:40:44.280
<v Speaker 6>that there's been so many fucking atrocious abuse scandals in

1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:46.519
<v Speaker 6>these churches that people are just fucking leaving because that's

1:40:46.560 --> 1:40:50.240
<v Speaker 6>what happens. Yeah, you know, And one day, one day,

1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:52.160
<v Speaker 6>the thing I really will get canceled for is when

1:40:52.160 --> 1:40:54.719
<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna the episode I do about how this happened

1:40:54.760 --> 1:40:56.800
<v Speaker 6>in the DSA and how it is hauled out the membership,

1:40:57.280 --> 1:40:59.040
<v Speaker 6>because you know, it turns out when people get abused,

1:40:59.040 --> 1:40:59.960
<v Speaker 6>they just fucking leave.

1:41:00.400 --> 1:41:03.040
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, not just the d I say, like, unfortunately, Yeah, this.

1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:06.719
<v Speaker 6>Happens in so many organizing like this is on the left, Yeah,

1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:12.720
<v Speaker 6>stopping fucking creeps. Yeah, but like you know, fellows sist dudes. Yeah,

1:41:13.000 --> 1:41:17.240
<v Speaker 6>the Christian right has particularly bad because they don't they

1:41:17.280 --> 1:41:19.439
<v Speaker 6>did therever address it, right, this is part of their

1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:20.679
<v Speaker 6>ideology is that this is good.

1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:23.639
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's the problem, like at least in the left,

1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:27.200
<v Speaker 8>Like it keeps fucking happening, and we do recognize it's bad.

1:41:27.320 --> 1:41:29.880
<v Speaker 8>We sometimes just seeming to people on the left are

1:41:29.920 --> 1:41:31.639
<v Speaker 8>repaired to allow it to happen because I think it's

1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:33.879
<v Speaker 8>not as bad as the alternative but which is bullshit.

1:41:34.479 --> 1:41:37.200
<v Speaker 8>But yeah, when you have a church which actively kind

1:41:37.200 --> 1:41:38.599
<v Speaker 8>of encourages.

1:41:38.080 --> 1:41:41.960
<v Speaker 6>It, then that's actually and and and part of and

1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:43.600
<v Speaker 6>the other. The other thing that's happening here, right, is

1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:45.600
<v Speaker 6>that like the other thing that's generating this is just

1:41:45.680 --> 1:41:48.479
<v Speaker 6>there's just the neoliberal adamisation of society, like it's it's

1:41:48.520 --> 1:41:51.320
<v Speaker 6>tearing apart sort of like social bound you know. And

1:41:51.320 --> 1:41:52.720
<v Speaker 6>and I mean one of the things I think you

1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:54.560
<v Speaker 6>have to be careful of when you talk about neoliberalism

1:41:54.640 --> 1:41:56.639
<v Speaker 6>tearing about social bonds, is that not all a lot

1:41:56.640 --> 1:42:00.800
<v Speaker 6>of those bonds sucked like it was not good but

1:42:00.920 --> 1:42:04.240
<v Speaker 6>everyone with seventy percent of Americans were going to church, right, Like,

1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:05.920
<v Speaker 6>not good at all.

1:42:06.200 --> 1:42:08.400
<v Speaker 5>That sucked. It was deeply evil.

1:42:08.960 --> 1:42:11.800
<v Speaker 6>But you know, it tears apart like it tears, it

1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:16.920
<v Speaker 6>tears apart bonds, not entirely without regard to ideology, but it.

1:42:17.280 --> 1:42:18.200
<v Speaker 5>Still does do it.

1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:24.040
<v Speaker 6>And this means this context has completely reshaped what right

1:42:24.080 --> 1:42:27.840
<v Speaker 6>wing like anti career and anti transorganizing looks like. And

1:42:28.360 --> 1:42:31.800
<v Speaker 6>the right right now, the right solution to that is

1:42:31.840 --> 1:42:36.000
<v Speaker 6>the Daily Wire, and we will get explained that in

1:42:36.160 --> 1:42:39.120
<v Speaker 6>very great length tomorrow and the day after that, So

1:42:39.280 --> 1:42:39.920
<v Speaker 6>stay tuned.

1:42:40.960 --> 1:42:46.679
<v Speaker 8>Does the entree of the bad guy, Well, we already

1:42:46.680 --> 1:42:48.960
<v Speaker 8>had a bad guy. I guess he's dead these ones, Yeah,

1:42:49.120 --> 1:42:53.160
<v Speaker 8>this is the bad guy number two, yeah, three, four.

1:42:53.360 --> 1:42:55.920
<v Speaker 5>Maybe after the Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Convention.

1:42:56.720 --> 1:42:59.280
<v Speaker 8>Yeah yeah, they're right up there there. And they've still

1:42:59.320 --> 1:43:02.120
<v Speaker 8>got time too. You know, they're already only in their ascendency,

1:43:02.280 --> 1:43:04.160
<v Speaker 8>so we shouldn't judge him too, Eddie.

1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:08.320
<v Speaker 6>Yep, but yeah, this has been naked happened here, go

1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:09.919
<v Speaker 6>make these people's lives miserable.

1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:15.120
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, Ben Shapai is miserable because I write a

1:43:15.120 --> 1:43:18.320
<v Speaker 8>piece of mechanics about how to tag down a statue

1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:22.040
<v Speaker 8>and he is still mad about it because he said,

1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:24.360
<v Speaker 8>I can't wait for their piece about mods of cocktails

1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:26.200
<v Speaker 8>and I never wrote that as well. So Ben Shapira

1:43:26.280 --> 1:43:29.360
<v Speaker 8>can suck it. Thank you for the career help of

1:43:29.439 --> 1:43:30.080
<v Speaker 8>Ben Shapiro.

1:43:44.280 --> 1:43:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Ah, welcome back to it could happen here a podcast

1:43:48.520 --> 1:43:53.839
<v Speaker 2>about things falling apart. And whenever you have things falling apart,

1:43:54.240 --> 1:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>you have the Daily Wire. I don't know, Garrison, what

1:43:58.640 --> 1:44:00.439
<v Speaker 2>are we talking about today?

1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the Daily Wire has been our trusted companions among

1:44:08.040 --> 1:44:10.840
<v Speaker 5>the rise of the alt right and this kind of

1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:13.960
<v Speaker 5>just impending sense of bad that has been, you know,

1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:18.200
<v Speaker 5>increasing the past five ten years, twenty years, thirty years.

1:44:18.240 --> 1:44:18.479
<v Speaker 8>You know.

1:44:19.680 --> 1:44:23.439
<v Speaker 5>So Mia in the last episode talked about some of

1:44:23.479 --> 1:44:27.200
<v Speaker 5>the neoliberal conditions that kind of led to this dip

1:44:27.280 --> 1:44:32.280
<v Speaker 5>in church attendance and it's resulted in the Christian right

1:44:32.760 --> 1:44:36.000
<v Speaker 5>kind of changing formations in a few interesting ways, and

1:44:36.200 --> 1:44:39.720
<v Speaker 5>we're going to talk about that here, but now more

1:44:39.760 --> 1:44:43.040
<v Speaker 5>specifically about how The Daily Wire has been able to

1:44:43.439 --> 1:44:49.799
<v Speaker 5>profit off of this shift. So as third spaces, including churches,

1:44:50.120 --> 1:44:54.160
<v Speaker 5>die off, online spaces have been gun to fill the gaps.

1:44:54.479 --> 1:44:58.320
<v Speaker 5>From Facebook groups to content creators to conservative streaming services,

1:44:58.680 --> 1:45:03.080
<v Speaker 5>the organizational hub of the far right has been picked

1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:08.160
<v Speaker 5>up by opportunistic bloggers and aspiring movie moguls. Which brings

1:45:08.240 --> 1:45:12.519
<v Speaker 5>us to twenty thirteen, a perfect year. Nothing went wrong,

1:45:12.800 --> 1:45:16.280
<v Speaker 5>just a normal, normal time. So in twenty thirteen, we

1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:21.080
<v Speaker 5>had failed screenwriter Ben Shapiro and a failed movie producer,

1:45:21.160 --> 1:45:25.479
<v Speaker 5>Jeremy Boring. They started working together on a project called

1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:30.120
<v Speaker 5>Truth Revolt. Now I assume most of us are somewhat

1:45:30.160 --> 1:45:34.840
<v Speaker 5>familiar with Ben Shapiro. He was an editor at Breitbart.

1:45:35.200 --> 1:45:39.320
<v Speaker 5>This he started as a young conservative blogger who gained

1:45:39.360 --> 1:45:42.200
<v Speaker 5>prominence in the two thousands. In the twenty teens, So

1:45:42.920 --> 1:45:45.200
<v Speaker 5>I'm not gonna waste too much time going into the

1:45:45.200 --> 1:45:50.080
<v Speaker 5>background of Ben because I'm I'm guessing we all basically

1:45:50.080 --> 1:45:53.360
<v Speaker 5>know who Ben Shapiro is. But I'm also guessing that

1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:57.240
<v Speaker 5>almost no one listening to this probably knows who Jeremy

1:45:57.280 --> 1:46:01.440
<v Speaker 5>Boring is, hence the name. So I'm gonna be focusing

1:46:01.520 --> 1:46:05.600
<v Speaker 5>a lot on Jeremy. I I find Jeremy to be

1:46:05.640 --> 1:46:10.160
<v Speaker 5>a kind of fascinating person. I I almost weirdly enjoy

1:46:10.760 --> 1:46:13.240
<v Speaker 5>watching his stuff just because I find it to be

1:46:13.439 --> 1:46:18.040
<v Speaker 5>extremely fascinating. His demeanor, his his his way of going

1:46:18.080 --> 1:46:21.840
<v Speaker 5>about creating a conservative media empire, I find to be

1:46:21.880 --> 1:46:25.840
<v Speaker 5>really intriguing. I've I've watched Jeremy Boring stuff just as

1:46:25.880 --> 1:46:29.320
<v Speaker 5>like a voyeurist observer for years now, and he's actually

1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:33.320
<v Speaker 5>starting to become more of a prominent face among the

1:46:33.400 --> 1:46:36.559
<v Speaker 5>right wing media ecosystem, or at least he's he's been

1:46:36.600 --> 1:46:39.080
<v Speaker 5>putting his face out there for a while. Most of

1:46:39.120 --> 1:46:42.799
<v Speaker 5>the time he's just been behind the scenes. So Jeremy

1:46:42.800 --> 1:46:45.360
<v Speaker 5>Boring is just a is a is A is a

1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:48.800
<v Speaker 5>good Christian boy from a small town in Texas. He

1:46:48.880 --> 1:46:52.240
<v Speaker 5>got involved in kind of local town. Yeah. I I

1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:55.439
<v Speaker 5>forget the exact town because I didn't I didn't write

1:46:55.479 --> 1:46:59.160
<v Speaker 5>it down in the script, but I believe it's somewhere

1:46:59.200 --> 1:47:02.040
<v Speaker 5>in West Texas if I remember correctly, it's it's it's

1:47:02.280 --> 1:47:04.559
<v Speaker 5>It's been a while since I watched the two hour

1:47:04.600 --> 1:47:07.240
<v Speaker 5>interview with Jerity Boring where he discussed his upbringing.

1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:10.040
<v Speaker 2>God, I wonder if it's Lufkin. I'm pulling it up.

1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm pulling it up Slayton. Okay, okay, well still a

1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:15.200
<v Speaker 2>dogshit Texas.

1:47:15.400 --> 1:47:17.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, See that's why I did mention it because its

1:47:17.600 --> 1:47:18.080
<v Speaker 5>like who.

1:47:17.880 --> 1:47:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Can's in Lubbock County, min love it.

1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:23.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he was kind of involved in some local community

1:47:23.680 --> 1:47:27.360
<v Speaker 5>theater productions as a kid, and like a lot of kids,

1:47:27.400 --> 1:47:30.360
<v Speaker 5>he aspired to be an actor. So as a young

1:47:30.360 --> 1:47:35.160
<v Speaker 5>adult he moved to LA He very soon gave up acting.

1:47:35.280 --> 1:47:38.080
<v Speaker 5>I think he had one small bit role as like

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<v Speaker 5>a crying soldier, but besides that, he just couldn't get

1:47:41.120 --> 1:47:44.200
<v Speaker 5>any work. So instead he just he decided to become

1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:49.840
<v Speaker 5>a struggling screenwriter. Classic classic move. Yeah, moving from a

1:47:49.840 --> 1:47:54.800
<v Speaker 5>failed actor failing yes, yes, yes, exactly. In the early

1:47:54.840 --> 1:47:58.160
<v Speaker 5>two thousands, he got invited to a Hollywood Bible study

1:47:58.200 --> 1:48:01.280
<v Speaker 5>group with a whole bunch of like young C list celebrities,

1:48:02.000 --> 1:48:05.320
<v Speaker 5>and over time he evolved into a sort of pastoral

1:48:05.479 --> 1:48:07.920
<v Speaker 5>role within the group. And then in two thousand and seven,

1:48:08.080 --> 1:48:11.560
<v Speaker 5>he was able to write and produce his first movie, Spiral,

1:48:11.760 --> 1:48:17.479
<v Speaker 5>starring Zachary Levi, who now played Shazam in DC's movies

1:48:17.840 --> 1:48:20.200
<v Speaker 5>and really nothing else because he seems to be a

1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:22.960
<v Speaker 5>deeply unlikable person who's not really been hired in many

1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:28.040
<v Speaker 5>other things. But Zachary Levi was also in this like

1:48:28.200 --> 1:48:31.439
<v Speaker 5>Christian Bible study group. They were both friends, him and

1:48:31.520 --> 1:48:34.839
<v Speaker 5>Jeremy Boring, So they made this movie spiral. It grossed

1:48:35.120 --> 1:48:40.040
<v Speaker 5>just over three thousand dollars. So not the smash hit

1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:43.040
<v Speaker 5>that you know you would you you would hopeful for

1:48:43.160 --> 1:48:44.240
<v Speaker 5>your first movie.

1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:46.759
<v Speaker 2>That is, uh yeah, that's not great.

1:48:47.240 --> 1:48:51.120
<v Speaker 5>It's not it's it's not it's not perfect. Now. Jeremy

1:48:51.120 --> 1:48:54.439
<v Speaker 5>Boring claims that his religious and political beliefs made it

1:48:54.479 --> 1:48:57.080
<v Speaker 5>so that he wasn't able to progress very far in

1:48:57.160 --> 1:49:01.400
<v Speaker 5>the Hollywood system, but he was invited to a secret

1:49:01.520 --> 1:49:05.879
<v Speaker 5>meeting of conservatives in Hollywood called the Friends of ABE

1:49:06.320 --> 1:49:08.479
<v Speaker 5>that Robert you should you should look up the Friends

1:49:08.479 --> 1:49:10.200
<v Speaker 5>of ABE logo because it's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

1:49:12.520 --> 1:49:15.599
<v Speaker 5>I think people like like, uh like John Voight and

1:49:15.680 --> 1:49:17.240
<v Speaker 5>just you know those sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of like yeah, it sounds like I think John Voight

1:49:19.040 --> 1:49:20.479
<v Speaker 2>would be a member of Yes, yes.

1:49:20.520 --> 1:49:22.799
<v Speaker 5>I'm pretty sure John voyightt was a member of this group.

1:49:22.920 --> 1:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>God, they're and they're treating it. They're treating it. There

1:49:25.240 --> 1:49:27.160
<v Speaker 2>was like a Friends of something or other group that

1:49:27.280 --> 1:49:31.720
<v Speaker 2>was like an underground group providing reproductive healthcare service back

1:49:31.760 --> 1:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>before abortion, back for Roe v. Wade, which is clearly

1:49:35.600 --> 1:49:37.320
<v Speaker 2>what they're Oh god.

1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:41.479
<v Speaker 5>Is that who made this logo? This is like bad

1:49:41.720 --> 1:49:46.120
<v Speaker 5>clip art. Oh my god, it's it's quite good. So

1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:49.680
<v Speaker 5>he was he was invited to this secret meeting, the

1:49:49.760 --> 1:49:53.120
<v Speaker 5>Friends of Abe, and this is where he met another

1:49:53.280 --> 1:49:56.760
<v Speaker 5>friend of the pod, Andrew Breitbart. So this is this

1:49:56.800 --> 1:50:00.840
<v Speaker 5>is actually really a really important Grammer was a member too, yes,

1:50:01.520 --> 1:50:05.960
<v Speaker 5>a very important weird subcultural community within Hollywood. So as

1:50:06.040 --> 1:50:09.040
<v Speaker 5>Jeremy was trying to move into just movie producing, he

1:50:09.120 --> 1:50:11.920
<v Speaker 5>was actually asked to take over this Friends of Abe group.

1:50:11.960 --> 1:50:14.200
<v Speaker 5>So he became a very central role and he made

1:50:14.240 --> 1:50:18.000
<v Speaker 5>a lot of connections, connections that will soon become important

1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:21.160
<v Speaker 5>when we discuss the Daily Wires own adventures in movie

1:50:21.160 --> 1:50:25.800
<v Speaker 5>producing in the next episode or so. So he took

1:50:25.840 --> 1:50:29.000
<v Speaker 5>over this group. Eventually he had this other smaller Bible

1:50:29.000 --> 1:50:31.000
<v Speaker 5>study group, So he's kind of moving up in the

1:50:31.040 --> 1:50:37.720
<v Speaker 5>world of conservative secret meetings in Hollywood. So because he

1:50:37.800 --> 1:50:40.759
<v Speaker 5>met Andrew bite Bart at the Friends of Abe, Andrew

1:50:40.760 --> 1:50:43.840
<v Speaker 5>bite Bart obviously knows Ben Shapiro because Shapiro used to

1:50:43.840 --> 1:50:45.519
<v Speaker 5>be the editor at Breitbart News.

1:50:46.040 --> 1:50:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Also, I feel the need to note the Friends of

1:50:48.640 --> 1:50:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Abe was founded by Gary Sinise, who was in such

1:50:53.439 --> 1:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>beloved movies as well. I think the only beloved movie

1:50:57.880 --> 1:51:00.679
<v Speaker 2>he was in was Forrest Gump, where he played Lieutenant Dan.

1:51:01.360 --> 1:51:02.400
<v Speaker 5>Oh he did Bobe.

1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is Lieutenant Dan founded the group, which is

1:51:06.600 --> 1:51:09.519
<v Speaker 2>actually like Lieutenant Dan would be in the Friends of Abe,

1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:14.080
<v Speaker 2>so that kind of fits. He also had apparently a

1:51:14.080 --> 1:51:16.920
<v Speaker 2>bit roll our some role in Apollo thirteen. I forget

1:51:16.960 --> 1:51:20.760
<v Speaker 2>who So there you go, Gary Sinise great.

1:51:21.720 --> 1:51:25.360
<v Speaker 5>So around this time is when Ben Shapiro and Jeremy

1:51:25.360 --> 1:51:29.439
<v Speaker 5>Boring first met, just before like twenty ten. I think

1:51:29.680 --> 1:51:32.360
<v Speaker 5>the two met via Andrew Bitepart, whom Ben was working

1:51:32.400 --> 1:51:35.880
<v Speaker 5>for at the time at Brightbart News. Now. Jeremy and

1:51:35.920 --> 1:51:38.240
<v Speaker 5>Ben hit it off, and they decided that they would

1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:41.240
<v Speaker 5>want to work together to create media to quote unquote

1:51:41.360 --> 1:51:45.760
<v Speaker 5>influence culture. That's a term that Boring uses quite a lot,

1:51:45.920 --> 1:51:50.800
<v Speaker 5>is like influencing culture. Now. Boring was very impressed by

1:51:50.880 --> 1:51:54.479
<v Speaker 5>Shapiro and sought to propel Shapiro's fame and wanted to

1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:58.360
<v Speaker 5>create a platform and wanted to create a platform to

1:51:58.439 --> 1:52:02.560
<v Speaker 5>increase Ben's ability to impact politics on a larger scale.

1:52:02.760 --> 1:52:05.560
<v Speaker 5>He really thought he saw something in Ben that, if utilized,

1:52:05.600 --> 1:52:09.960
<v Speaker 5>could make Ben into a pretty major celebrity. Boring was

1:52:10.040 --> 1:52:13.679
<v Speaker 5>friendly with board members of the David Horowitz Freedom Center,

1:52:14.160 --> 1:52:17.720
<v Speaker 5>an extremely racist, anti Muslim right wing think tank I

1:52:17.800 --> 1:52:22.559
<v Speaker 5>believe based in law. Boring thought that Ben and David

1:52:22.640 --> 1:52:24.800
<v Speaker 5>had a lot in common. They were both very like

1:52:24.920 --> 1:52:29.160
<v Speaker 5>politically feisty Jewish conservatives in the LA scene, and Boring

1:52:29.240 --> 1:52:31.960
<v Speaker 5>wanted to prepare Ben to sort of carry the torch

1:52:32.040 --> 1:52:34.640
<v Speaker 5>of the Freedom Center using all of the resources that

1:52:34.720 --> 1:52:37.400
<v Speaker 5>David Horowitz have built up over a long period of time.

1:52:38.040 --> 1:52:40.679
<v Speaker 5>So for about a year and a half, Boring met

1:52:40.720 --> 1:52:43.719
<v Speaker 5>with board members behind the scenes to create some sort

1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:46.839
<v Speaker 5>of buy in and cast Ben Shapiro as the future

1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:49.679
<v Speaker 5>for the Freedom Center, planning seeds of what it will

1:52:49.760 --> 1:52:53.360
<v Speaker 5>be to come. Eventually, David Horowitz chose Ben as the

1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:57.439
<v Speaker 5>heir to the Freedom Center first by giving Shapiro and

1:52:57.479 --> 1:53:01.000
<v Speaker 5>Boring an opportunity to test things out by starting a

1:53:01.040 --> 1:53:05.679
<v Speaker 5>company under the Freedom Center called Truth Revolt. Truth Revolt

1:53:06.320 --> 1:53:09.200
<v Speaker 5>is something that I didn't I think I saw it

1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:11.000
<v Speaker 5>a little bit when I was like a younger teen,

1:53:11.040 --> 1:53:14.400
<v Speaker 5>but it wasn't It wasn't super popular. Truth Revolt saw

1:53:14.520 --> 1:53:18.080
<v Speaker 5>some initial success as like a conservative quote unquote news

1:53:18.080 --> 1:53:23.559
<v Speaker 5>site aimed at exposing leftist media. Shapiro billed Truth Revolt

1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:28.439
<v Speaker 5>as the quote unquote anti media matters Now, Shapiro admits

1:53:28.479 --> 1:53:31.840
<v Speaker 5>that Truth of Volt ultimately wasn't very sustainable because the

1:53:31.880 --> 1:53:35.519
<v Speaker 5>whole website was designed around trying to generate traffic by

1:53:35.560 --> 1:53:39.680
<v Speaker 5>being linked by Drudge Report. And at the time.

1:53:40.040 --> 1:53:43.040
<v Speaker 2>That's like literally literally like a third of right wing

1:53:43.120 --> 1:53:45.760
<v Speaker 2>media in the early two thousands to mid auts Like

1:53:45.760 --> 1:53:48.439
<v Speaker 2>that was Alex Jones's whole strategy for a while too.

1:53:48.920 --> 1:53:52.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the whole point was creating headlines that would be

1:53:52.760 --> 1:53:56.880
<v Speaker 5>linked by this conservative news aggregator. And this isn't a

1:53:56.960 --> 1:54:00.639
<v Speaker 5>very sustainable business model, at least that's what Ben claims.

1:54:01.080 --> 1:54:04.200
<v Speaker 5>And because truth Revolt was operating under the Freedom Center,

1:54:04.520 --> 1:54:07.519
<v Speaker 5>it was run as a nonprofit and received very limited

1:54:07.560 --> 1:54:12.080
<v Speaker 5>funding and little to no advertising budget. But even back then,

1:54:12.200 --> 1:54:15.000
<v Speaker 5>there was a big focus on creating video content to

1:54:15.080 --> 1:54:18.519
<v Speaker 5>fill out the site and grow its own YouTube page.

1:54:19.360 --> 1:54:24.000
<v Speaker 5>I have a wonderful screenshot here of some old truth

1:54:24.040 --> 1:54:26.880
<v Speaker 5>Revolt videos from like nine ten years ago. We have

1:54:27.720 --> 1:54:32.280
<v Speaker 5>brass tax on immigration. Andrew Clevan I think his name

1:54:32.320 --> 1:54:35.040
<v Speaker 5>is Clevans. He's one of the main Daily Wire guys now,

1:54:35.080 --> 1:54:38.280
<v Speaker 5>but he was involved way way back then. He has

1:54:38.320 --> 1:54:43.120
<v Speaker 5>a video on Obama conspiracy theories, which I'm sure that's great.

1:54:43.760 --> 1:54:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't wait to dig into that one.

1:54:46.400 --> 1:54:48.960
<v Speaker 5>Ben Shapiro has a lot of videos about why Jews

1:54:49.040 --> 1:54:53.760
<v Speaker 5>vote leftist. We have videos about Hillary Clinton, we have

1:54:53.840 --> 1:54:59.200
<v Speaker 5>the left's magical thinking. There is another Andrew Clavan video

1:54:59.320 --> 1:55:02.680
<v Speaker 5>called fIF D Shades of Barack Obama. So again, all

1:55:02.760 --> 1:55:07.640
<v Speaker 5>like very very like twenty twelve type stuff here, like

1:55:07.720 --> 1:55:11.919
<v Speaker 5>all all very like early early twentyighteenth.

1:55:11.960 --> 1:55:13.600
<v Speaker 2>They were iterating, they were cooking.

1:55:14.240 --> 1:55:18.280
<v Speaker 5>They were cooking, and like cooking, sometimes your first attempt

1:55:18.320 --> 1:55:21.760
<v Speaker 5>doesn't really work out. Truth of Volt started declining in

1:55:21.800 --> 1:55:26.120
<v Speaker 5>around early twenty fifteen, but Jeremy Boring was working on

1:55:26.200 --> 1:55:30.160
<v Speaker 5>a business plan with a more marketing driven approach. Instead

1:55:30.160 --> 1:55:34.080
<v Speaker 5>of relying on like nonprofit annual donors, Boring wanted to

1:55:34.160 --> 1:55:36.400
<v Speaker 5>use a more of a for profit model where they

1:55:36.480 --> 1:55:39.920
<v Speaker 5>used ad revenue and the larger web traffic generated through

1:55:39.920 --> 1:55:43.200
<v Speaker 5>marketing on social media, especially on Facebook, to pay for

1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:47.560
<v Speaker 5>this entire media operation. Now, the old guard of this

1:55:47.680 --> 1:55:51.640
<v Speaker 5>conservative think tank did not really like this plan. The

1:55:51.640 --> 1:55:54.680
<v Speaker 5>Freedom Center actually fired to Jeremy Boring when he produced

1:55:54.680 --> 1:55:57.920
<v Speaker 5>this plan to revamp truth Revolt, and soon after Ben

1:55:57.960 --> 1:56:02.720
<v Speaker 5>Shapiro stepped down. This was in April twenty fifteen. Jeremy Bort.

1:56:03.760 --> 1:56:06.320
<v Speaker 5>Jeremy and Ben attempted to buy out the site, but

1:56:06.600 --> 1:56:10.880
<v Speaker 5>that didn't pan out, and eventually Truthful to just withered away.

1:56:11.520 --> 1:56:14.520
<v Speaker 5>Do you know what else slowly withers away over time?

1:56:16.360 --> 1:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh? You without the products and services that support this podcast.

1:56:20.160 --> 1:56:33.720
<v Speaker 5>That's right, all right, we are back. Thank the maker

1:56:33.760 --> 1:56:36.160
<v Speaker 5>for all of those wonderful products and services that let

1:56:36.160 --> 1:56:40.200
<v Speaker 5>me spend about ten hours a day watching Daily Wire

1:56:40.320 --> 1:56:44.240
<v Speaker 5>videos so I could write like four thousand words.

1:56:44.520 --> 1:56:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Truly, this was This was Sophie's grand dream when she

1:56:48.640 --> 1:56:49.080
<v Speaker 2>began this.

1:56:50.520 --> 1:56:54.200
<v Speaker 5>Just have a wall of computers constantly playing Daily Wire

1:56:54.240 --> 1:56:55.640
<v Speaker 5>plus exclusive contest.

1:56:56.440 --> 1:56:58.960
<v Speaker 2>That was the pitch we came to corporate with, what

1:56:59.080 --> 1:57:02.400
<v Speaker 2>if we expose demand to all of the Daily Wire

1:57:02.480 --> 1:57:04.000
<v Speaker 2>one could possibly consume?

1:57:04.520 --> 1:57:09.800
<v Speaker 5>Hell? Oh, by all right, So Jeremy Boring, failed movie producer,

1:57:09.840 --> 1:57:13.280
<v Speaker 5>failed screenwriter, has been fired from Truth Revolt. Ben Shapiro,

1:57:13.600 --> 1:57:17.200
<v Speaker 5>his colleague in arms, steps down in solidarity. We love

1:57:17.240 --> 1:57:21.960
<v Speaker 5>to see workers unite. So Shapiro and Boring still liked

1:57:22.000 --> 1:57:24.920
<v Speaker 5>their plan to use ad revenue and social media advertising

1:57:24.960 --> 1:57:28.840
<v Speaker 5>to make a for profit media company. So in twenty

1:57:28.880 --> 1:57:33.080
<v Speaker 5>fifteen they looked for other investors to fund a new website,

1:57:33.520 --> 1:57:36.320
<v Speaker 5>and it just so happened that around this time, two

1:57:36.520 --> 1:57:40.120
<v Speaker 5>Texas billionaires known as the Wilks Brothers We're looking to

1:57:40.240 --> 1:57:44.840
<v Speaker 5>use their fracking fortune to quote unquote influence culture. There's

1:57:44.840 --> 1:57:48.040
<v Speaker 5>that term again. Through a mutual friend, Boring was able

1:57:48.080 --> 1:57:51.160
<v Speaker 5>to secure millions of dollars in seed money from the Wilks,

1:57:51.440 --> 1:57:55.320
<v Speaker 5>who also later went on to fund prager You. With

1:57:55.400 --> 1:57:58.520
<v Speaker 5>an influx of cash on hand, Ben and Jeremy started

1:57:58.720 --> 1:58:02.760
<v Speaker 5>The Daily Wire initially just as a conservative news site,

1:58:03.000 --> 1:58:07.600
<v Speaker 5>but with ambitions to become an entire conservative entertainment production

1:58:07.840 --> 1:58:12.320
<v Speaker 5>and distribution house. Instead of relying on donors or links

1:58:12.360 --> 1:58:16.040
<v Speaker 5>from news aggregators, their new approach was focused on creating

1:58:16.280 --> 1:58:21.480
<v Speaker 5>and cultivating a long term audience. They first prioritized quote

1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:25.480
<v Speaker 5>unquote investing in making Ben and other up and coming

1:58:25.520 --> 1:58:30.760
<v Speaker 5>conservative figureheads more famous, in particular using an intentional social

1:58:30.800 --> 1:58:34.560
<v Speaker 5>media strategy to propel people from out of the conservative

1:58:34.560 --> 1:58:39.360
<v Speaker 5>bubble into the popular zeitgeist. Specifically, Jerry Boring worked to

1:58:39.480 --> 1:58:43.560
<v Speaker 5>increase the personal brand awareness on sites other than Twitter,

1:58:43.800 --> 1:58:46.200
<v Speaker 5>where generally most of these writers spend most of their

1:58:46.200 --> 1:58:50.360
<v Speaker 5>social media hours. The point was to not just do

1:58:50.440 --> 1:58:52.800
<v Speaker 5>it on Twitter, instead it on the other social media

1:58:52.840 --> 1:58:55.840
<v Speaker 5>sites where actual, like regular people spend more of their

1:58:55.880 --> 1:58:59.120
<v Speaker 5>time because it's mostly just other writers on Twitter versus

1:58:59.880 --> 1:59:02.560
<v Speaker 5>the the actual audience that the Daily Wire wanted to

1:59:02.640 --> 1:59:05.480
<v Speaker 5>attract were mostly spending their time on places like Facebook

1:59:05.520 --> 1:59:09.520
<v Speaker 5>or Instagram. So fourteen months in, the Daily Wire was

1:59:09.640 --> 1:59:13.920
<v Speaker 5>already cash flow positive, and we see this approach of

1:59:14.000 --> 1:59:18.480
<v Speaker 5>specifically trying to like create celebrity. It really paid off

1:59:18.360 --> 1:59:22.000
<v Speaker 5>if you look at how the how like the cultural

1:59:22.120 --> 1:59:25.680
<v Speaker 5>figure of Ben Shapiro specifically kind of emerged in the

1:59:25.720 --> 1:59:29.080
<v Speaker 5>mid two thousands, Like he became such a such like

1:59:29.120 --> 1:59:32.040
<v Speaker 5>a meme with such like a recognizable character through very

1:59:32.040 --> 1:59:35.520
<v Speaker 5>simple marketing on like YouTube on Facebook. It was. It

1:59:35.560 --> 1:59:39.360
<v Speaker 5>was wildly successful. You cannot open up YouTube without seeing

1:59:39.400 --> 1:59:43.400
<v Speaker 5>a Ben Shapiro destroys college student on campus video, like

1:59:43.640 --> 1:59:46.800
<v Speaker 5>every single every single time. Now, on top of making

1:59:46.840 --> 1:59:50.680
<v Speaker 5>a news site, they also decided to move into podcasting,

1:59:51.000 --> 1:59:54.440
<v Speaker 5>a very controversial medium. I'm gonna I'm gonna read one

1:59:54.520 --> 1:59:57.400
<v Speaker 5>quote from Ben here. Quote one area that we had

1:59:57.440 --> 1:59:59.760
<v Speaker 5>no idea was going to be the center of revenue

2:00:00.120 --> 2:00:02.640
<v Speaker 5>was the actual podcast. When I look back at that

2:00:02.680 --> 2:00:04.960
<v Speaker 5>business plan, what we get allocated for the amount of

2:00:05.000 --> 2:00:08.080
<v Speaker 5>revenue from the podcast was minimal compared to how successful

2:00:08.120 --> 2:00:11.880
<v Speaker 5>the podcast became, and that cannot be understated. The Daily

2:00:11.920 --> 2:00:14.640
<v Speaker 5>Wire makes a shitload of money on their podcast.

2:00:14.920 --> 2:00:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we all were surprised by how lucrative prop podcasting

2:00:18.760 --> 2:00:22.520
<v Speaker 2>wound up being like because it was around for like

2:00:22.560 --> 2:00:26.160
<v Speaker 2>a decade or so before it was before people were

2:00:26.160 --> 2:00:28.600
<v Speaker 2>really making any money off of it. It kind of

2:00:29.400 --> 2:00:33.080
<v Speaker 2>snowballed very quickly once advertisers realized it was something they

2:00:33.080 --> 2:00:35.200
<v Speaker 2>could get in on. But like it was, there was

2:00:35.240 --> 2:00:36.920
<v Speaker 2>a long time where it was just sort of like

2:00:36.960 --> 2:00:40.120
<v Speaker 2>a thing weird little guys like Joe Rogan did and

2:00:40.960 --> 2:00:42.840
<v Speaker 2>most people didn't really think about them much.

2:00:43.520 --> 2:00:48.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and their social media advertising plan also worked outrageously well,

2:00:48.920 --> 2:00:53.000
<v Speaker 5>especially on Facebook. Routinely, over the past few years, stories

2:00:53.040 --> 2:00:56.080
<v Speaker 5>published by The Daily Wire received more likes, shares, and

2:00:56.120 --> 2:00:59.760
<v Speaker 5>comments on Facebook than any other news publisher by a

2:01:00.040 --> 2:01:03.800
<v Speaker 5>wide margin. Shapiro has more followers in The Washington Post.

2:01:04.040 --> 2:01:09.400
<v Speaker 5>Their engagement outpaces the New York Times, The Washington Post, NBC, CNN,

2:01:09.560 --> 2:01:13.680
<v Speaker 5>and Fox News on average by over ten Times, and

2:01:13.760 --> 2:01:16.280
<v Speaker 5>they often get more clicks on their articles than all

2:01:16.320 --> 2:01:19.680
<v Speaker 5>of those outlets combined. They have like they figured out

2:01:19.720 --> 2:01:24.200
<v Speaker 5>a really successful method to promoting their news content in

2:01:24.240 --> 2:01:26.080
<v Speaker 5>a way that really no one else has been able

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<v Speaker 5>to replicate. Utilizing provocative rage bait propagandized by a select

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<v Speaker 5>few of online personalities, the Daily Wire has been able

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<v Speaker 5>to expand the brand recognition of not just their own site,

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<v Speaker 5>but also the personal brand of its own hosts. Ben

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<v Speaker 5>and Jeremy brought over some of the people from Truth Revolt,

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<v Speaker 5>but they were also scouting for new talent among the

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<v Speaker 5>twenty sixteen conservative sphere to invest their newly acquired fracking

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<v Speaker 5>resources into. Another quote from Ben is like surround yourself

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<v Speaker 5>with people who are going to be successful unquote, particularly

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<v Speaker 5>not like going after people who are currently popular, but

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<v Speaker 5>trying to find up and coming content creators who they

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<v Speaker 5>think they can turn into being much more successful than

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<v Speaker 5>what they currently started as. Among the people they recruited

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<v Speaker 5>was the relatively unknown extremist Christian writer and radio talk

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<v Speaker 5>show host Matt Walsh, who we will get to in

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<v Speaker 5>a sec the slightly more famous blogger Candice Owens, who

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<v Speaker 5>was picked up a few years prior by the conservative

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<v Speaker 5>student group Turning Point USA to be their quote director

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<v Speaker 5>of Urban Engagement.

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<v Speaker 6>Which.

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<v Speaker 5>Is an awful title what they mean by I wonder

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<v Speaker 5>what they mean by urban engagement. And then in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 5>after being a Daily Wire correspondent for a few years

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<v Speaker 5>and helping to launch Ted Cruise's own podcast, the Daily

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<v Speaker 5>Wire hired failed actor Michael Knowles, who's basically a discount

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<v Speaker 5>Matt Walsh, to host his own podcast. And finally, in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two, the Daily Wire recruited Jordan Peterson, probably their

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<v Speaker 5>biggest get to date after he quote unquote retired from

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<v Speaker 5>the University of Toronto. The original funding pitch to the

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<v Speaker 5>Wilkes Brothers, who are looking to influence culture, explicitly positioned

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<v Speaker 5>the Daily Wire not just as a news site, but

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<v Speaker 5>as a prospective alternative to the liberal Hollywood monopoly. There

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<v Speaker 5>there's a really interesting quote here from Jeremy Boring quote,

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<v Speaker 5>I think there is a path for conservatives to create entertainment,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think you have to go about it in

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<v Speaker 5>a roundabout way. We need a marketing and distribution mechanism

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<v Speaker 5>that allows us to actually put an audience on the target,

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<v Speaker 5>because Hollywood will never cooperate. Even if you managed to

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<v Speaker 5>make a great film, they'll never cooperate. They'll make it

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<v Speaker 5>very difficult for you. With Ben, and with what we've

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<v Speaker 5>been doing at Truth Revolt, we can make something that's

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<v Speaker 5>capable of marketing whatever we produced thereafter for this particular

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<v Speaker 5>audience unquote. So there he's emphasizing that, no matter the

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<v Speaker 5>quality of the actual content you create for this sort

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<v Speaker 5>of conservative media ecosystem, you first need to actually build

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<v Speaker 5>an audience that will be able to find it. That's

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<v Speaker 5>like their first step is building up this audience and

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<v Speaker 5>then they can focus on actually making the content just

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<v Speaker 5>because of how this distribution system works. That at least

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<v Speaker 5>that was that was Jeremy's take on that. Do you

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<v Speaker 5>know what else is really important for building up a

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<v Speaker 5>sustainable audience? Products that's right, trustworthy products and services that

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<v Speaker 5>our audience knows are of fantastic, fantastic quality. It's the

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<v Speaker 5>it's the only way.

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<v Speaker 2>We are also supported by the Wilkes Brothers, but but

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<v Speaker 2>directly through selling hydraulic fracturing technology. So rack your backyard

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<v Speaker 2>and join the fractvolution.

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<v Speaker 5>We're fracking back here, all right. That was just a

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<v Speaker 5>wonderful a wonderful frack break. My back feels is so much,

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<v Speaker 5>so much, so much more loose. After that, I cracked

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<v Speaker 5>for like.

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<v Speaker 2>The house across from me exploded when fracturing fluid released

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<v Speaker 2>natural gas that was then ignited by an oven.

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<v Speaker 5>Speak of, speaking of fracking, I think we're both actually,

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<v Speaker 5>even though we're on different sides of the country, we're

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<v Speaker 5>both in like a ridiculous cold freeze right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's pretty cold.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it is twenty two degrees right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like sixteen or something here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're in Atlanta, so you are the last

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<v Speaker 2>person alive in the entire city.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, but no, I'm sure fracking has done nothing to

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<v Speaker 5>contribute to this anyway. So let's let's turn our dials

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<v Speaker 5>now to twenty two once again. Normal year. Nothing bad happened,

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<v Speaker 5>just a fun time overall. In twenty twenty one, The

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<v Speaker 5>Daily Wire relocated from liberal Hollywood, California, to Nashville, Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 5>with hopes of creating their own conservative entertainment empire in

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<v Speaker 5>the music city. After over half a decade of building

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<v Speaker 5>up an audience, the Daily Wire started to shift towards

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<v Speaker 5>creating in house entertainment media like movies and TV, as

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<v Speaker 5>well as producing their own neatly packaged documentaries to serve

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<v Speaker 5>as a cultural catalyst in a way that a daily

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<v Speaker 5>podcast show like The Ben Shapiro Show just can't write

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<v Speaker 5>like we put out a daily podcast, and because it's

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<v Speaker 5>a daily show, it can only have a certain level

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<v Speaker 5>of impact for all the things we cover in a

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<v Speaker 5>way that you know, a highly produced documentary can have

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<v Speaker 5>like a little bit more like easily observable impact just

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<v Speaker 5>because of how it's being packaged. So they saw this

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<v Speaker 5>and decided they wanted to start putting a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>resources into their own documentaries as well as their podcasts.

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<v Speaker 5>But it wasn't just documentaries. In twenty twenty one, they

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<v Speaker 5>also distributed their first movie, Run Hide Fight thirty eight

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<v Speaker 5>percent on Rotten Tomatoes. It is a school shooter thriller

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<v Speaker 5>movie that I have not watched. I've watched a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of the Daily Wires original content. I am not watching

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<v Speaker 5>Run Hide Fight. I'm sorry, I'm just not doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't really want to watch Diehard with school

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<v Speaker 2>shooters and a teenage girl. That seems a bit on

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<v Speaker 2>the nose. No, I just I simply refused. Four other

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<v Speaker 2>original Daily Wire movies have come out since then, which

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to some of those in the next episode. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>before twenty twenty, the Daily Wire was making some exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>content behind like a membership paywall for something that they

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<v Speaker 2>called Daily Wire All Access. But us twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>and into twenty twenty two, they rebranded and pivoted hard

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<v Speaker 2>into promoting their own subscription based streaming service, The Daily

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<v Speaker 2>Wire Plus. Again, they are nothing if not original. This

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<v Speaker 2>was during a wave of plus branded streaming services. We

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<v Speaker 2>have Disney Plus, we have Paramount Plus.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure there's probably many others that I'm just not

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<v Speaker 5>gonna bother even looking up. But the Daily Wire Plus

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<v Speaker 5>the hit new streaming service that I'm sure your great

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<v Speaker 5>uncle has quote. The Daily Wire Plus is the streaming

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<v Speaker 5>home of The Daily Wire, Jordan Peterson Movies, Praeger, You,

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<v Speaker 5>and Daily Wire Kids. We're one of America's fastest growing

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<v Speaker 5>media companies and counter cultural outlets for news, opinion, and entertainment.

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<v Speaker 5>We're building the future you want to see unquote. That's

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<v Speaker 5>their their little tagline.

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<v Speaker 2>Thrilling. Yeah, truly, the new line cinema of racism.

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<v Speaker 5>Such groundbreaking original content includes My Dinner with Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I hadn't even heard of that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you fucking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm not kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? Is it actually on My Dinner with

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea parody or is it just something completely disconnected that

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<v Speaker 2>they stole a famous title for.

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<v Speaker 5>They just stole the famous title.

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<v Speaker 2>For damn it. It would be really funny if it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a shot for shot remake of My Dinner

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<v Speaker 2>with Andre but with but with Andrea as Trump, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I would. That's respect that's actually respectable. That would I

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<v Speaker 2>would watch that movie tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it's it's it's just a film to Dinner with

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<v Speaker 5>Trump and like various political advisors.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Yeah, Oh that's so lame.

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<v Speaker 5>Do I? I don't believe the Daily Wires releasing their

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<v Speaker 5>streaming metrics. Just like Netflix, they're keeping them secret. Similar companies, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>very similar. We have other other hit hit documentaries like

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<v Speaker 5>Kanye West's Favorite, The Greatest Lie Ever Sold by Canda Sowans.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh God, an extremely racist misinformation or sorry, disinformation documentary

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<v Speaker 5>about about George Floyd. We have that Mandalorian actresses movie

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<v Speaker 5>Terror on the Prairie. We have a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 5>a whole bunch of stuff from Jordan Peterson after he

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<v Speaker 5>left uh the University of Toronto and got and got

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<v Speaker 5>kicked off Twitter. That's the exact time that he was

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<v Speaker 5>hired at Daily Wire. He's a whole bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 5>of just like roundtable discussions on like the Bible, and

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<v Speaker 5>I believe he has that dragon mythology.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's great now that that's that's a good show.

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched all of that one that's kozy and we

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed ourselves quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>We have We have a making a Murderer ripoff documentary

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<v Speaker 5>by Canda so Owens called Convicting a Murderer. Again, truly

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<v Speaker 5>original stuff. Great, but it's not just movies, TV shows

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<v Speaker 5>and documentaries. It's also like like we mentioned, they're hit

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<v Speaker 5>podcasts quote. The Daily Wire plus podcast network is America's

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<v Speaker 5>sixth largest podcast publisher and produces several of the top

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<v Speaker 5>ranked podcasts in America, including The Ben Shapiro Show, The

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<v Speaker 5>Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, Candace with Candace Owens, The Matt

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<v Speaker 5>Wall Show, The Michael Knowles Show, and The Morning Wire,

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<v Speaker 5>some of which do quite well on the charts and

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<v Speaker 5>are often sometimes sometimes beaten by Robert's podcast. Anyway, So

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<v Speaker 5>a little over a year ago, the Daily wire Plus

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<v Speaker 5>passed one million subscribers. We don't have any updated numbers

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<v Speaker 5>on that, so it's probably quite higher now, but at

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<v Speaker 5>least as of as of around a year ago, they

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<v Speaker 5>had a million subscribers, and again, as of back then,

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<v Speaker 5>it was bringing in the company two thirds of its

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<v Speaker 5>annual revenue. I think it was like three or so

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<v Speaker 5>years ago they were making one hundred million dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 5>so they were making bank across their podcasts and exclusive content.

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<v Speaker 5>They have over three hundred employees and are still growing

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<v Speaker 5>and are investing hundreds of millions of dollars into producing

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<v Speaker 5>original entertainment content. In their efforts to influence politics through

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<v Speaker 5>entertainment media, they strive to create cultural events around the

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<v Speaker 5>release of their original documentaries. The biggest success they've had

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<v Speaker 5>with this is what was in twenty twenty two with

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<v Speaker 5>What Is a Woman, which rocketed the Daily wire Plus

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<v Speaker 5>into the online spotlight and proved there was great success

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<v Speaker 5>to be had with this style of aggressive anti trans advocacy.

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<v Speaker 5>The film also put the previously niche figure of Matt

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<v Speaker 5>Walsh on the map and established Walsh as an authority

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<v Speaker 5>in queer exterminationist campaigning. I've known of Walsh for like

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<v Speaker 5>the past decade. After he had a short lived radio career,

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<v Speaker 5>he made a name in Christian circles as a provocative blogger,

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<v Speaker 5>sort of like a young firebrand of the Christian right.

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<v Speaker 5>In the early twenty teens, he had a brief stint

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<v Speaker 5>at Glenn Beck's The Blaze before being recruited to The

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<v Speaker 5>Daily Wire in twenty seventeen to do a daily podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>The goal of documentaries such as What Is a Woman

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<v Speaker 5>beyond growing the Daily Wire's a subscriber count, is also

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<v Speaker 5>to encourage real world action while converting attention from the

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<v Speaker 5>documentary into actual real world harassment campaigns and live events,

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<v Speaker 5>which fuel even more content. It's like this, It's like

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<v Speaker 5>this weird content circle that the Daily Wire does. They

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<v Speaker 5>create content to make these real world events, which then

2:13:38.640 --> 2:13:42.280
<v Speaker 5>can fuel more content. It's this perfect loop that generates

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<v Speaker 5>them a lot of money. On October twenty first, twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two, the Daily Wire put on a quote rally

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<v Speaker 5>to end child mutilation at the Tennessee State Capitol, which

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<v Speaker 5>was streamable on Daily Wire Plus exactly. This is a

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<v Speaker 5>perfect example of creating this event that then allows them

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<v Speaker 5>to also create exclusive content for their own streaming service.

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<v Speaker 5>The Daily Wire has been in cahoots with the state

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<v Speaker 5>government of Tennessee ever since they first moved their headquarters there.

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<v Speaker 5>Back in twenty twenty one, the General Assembly and Governor

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<v Speaker 5>drafted a resolution welcoming the Daily Wire to the state.

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<v Speaker 5>Jeremy Boring regularly gets invited to dinners at the Governor's mansion.

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<v Speaker 5>After the release of What Is a Woman? The Governor

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<v Speaker 5>of Tennessee announced an investigation into a transgender health clinic

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<v Speaker 5>in Nashville, and Walsh has made appearances at official state

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<v Speaker 5>press conferences, and Tennessee's legislator has led the charge on

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<v Speaker 5>following the Daily Wire and Walsh's political program to target

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<v Speaker 5>trans people, ban drag shows, and lobbying school boards to

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<v Speaker 5>ban LGBTQ materials in schools. The Daily Wire was they

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<v Speaker 5>were kind of wise to not get too caught up

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<v Speaker 5>in the TRUMPI and Mud from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 5>instead instead focusing on broader culture war issues ranging from

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<v Speaker 5>anti liberalism, antidiversity, parental rights, religious rights, and attacks on

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<v Speaker 5>LGBTQ people. But that also means that they didn't peak

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<v Speaker 5>during the Trump era in the way that a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of other conservative content people kind of did. They chose

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<v Speaker 5>not to capitalize on the Trumpian alt right moment, and

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<v Speaker 5>they were way too smart to go full qan On. Instead,

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<v Speaker 5>they were kind of waiting on the sidelines, slowly growing

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<v Speaker 5>an audience to eventually find the right moment to catalyze

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<v Speaker 5>more widespread support and thrust themselves into the spotlight, which

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<v Speaker 5>they have now done by crafting antiqueer propaganda to pick

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<v Speaker 5>up the baton from the dying QAnon movement while moving

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<v Speaker 5>the needle away from like explicitly q brained shit to

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<v Speaker 5>simple stuff like parental rights and the more socially acceptable

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<v Speaker 5>groomor and save the children talking points. The once more

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<v Speaker 5>exotic target of pedophilic elites has been shifted to simply

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<v Speaker 5>any random queer person, which is a much more tangible

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<v Speaker 5>point of iyre and that'shere we're gonna leave us here today,

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<v Speaker 5>kind of on the point that The Daily Wire waited

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<v Speaker 5>and found the moment in like the first year or

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<v Speaker 5>two of the Biden presidency to really push themselves to

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<v Speaker 5>be the own spotlight instead of just relying in the

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<v Speaker 5>shadow of Donald Trump in the way that someone like

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<v Speaker 5>Tucker kind of has now done. He's not nearly as

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<v Speaker 5>popular as he was in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 5>and The Daily Wire is now massively influential in a

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<v Speaker 5>way that they were only kind of rising to prominence

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<v Speaker 5>back during the Altright era. So in the next episode,

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<v Speaker 5>we'll talk a little bit more about The Daily Wire's

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<v Speaker 5>own anti queer advocacy and their push for original content,

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<v Speaker 5>including a brand new child focused to streaming service, which

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<v Speaker 5>I will talk about in the next episode. Anyway, Robert,

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<v Speaker 5>do you have any do you have any thoughts on

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<v Speaker 5>the Daily Wire?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know that the child grooming service they're building,

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of what they're looking to do is

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<v Speaker 2>try to copy the show Bluey, which is like the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest thing in children's entertainment right now, and just casual

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge of where that is talking to parents and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>about Bluey, Like, I feel like it might be a

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<v Speaker 2>bridge too far for them, because they're they're they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to go after they're trying to capture like market

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<v Speaker 2>from something that's legitimately really fucking good, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>just putt it like they're they're kind of most commercially

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<v Speaker 2>viable movies like the School Shooting Movie are from what

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<v Speaker 2>I've read in reviews, like just kind of normal mid movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they don't necessarily feel like a daily wire movie. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be a couple of points in there maybe, but

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<v Speaker 2>there they could more or less pass for something you'd

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<v Speaker 2>see on Netflix or Amazon Prime or whatever, which is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're competing with mid grade action movies

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<v Speaker 2>and the like that that are a dime a dozen,

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually do that fairly well. And it's even

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<v Speaker 2>possible to, like well, the economics of streaming are actually

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<v Speaker 2>deeply obscured, but theoretically it's possible to do as well

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<v Speaker 2>with that as Netflix does with it, right because people,

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're trying to replace a children's show that,

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<v Speaker 2>like kids consume voraciously and are deeply in love with

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<v Speaker 2>and is really well made, I think that's actually a

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<v Speaker 2>lot harder than they're guessing it's going to be. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>yeahd adults who want something to watch when they're drunk

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<v Speaker 2>at night are a harder audience than little kids who

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<v Speaker 2>are obsessed with a TV show that is the best

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<v Speaker 2>in its market.

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<v Speaker 5>It's certainly a gamble, and we will talk more about

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<v Speaker 5>the details of this gamble in the next episode, as

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<v Speaker 5>we will also eventually eventually talk about their brand new

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<v Speaker 5>movie that came out last month. Lady Ballers.

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<v Speaker 8>All right, we're done.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I should call hr just because you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned the name of that movie.

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<v Speaker 5>See you in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I started the episode Garrison.

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<v Speaker 5>Really really what an energetic entry into I'm tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me things that make me sad.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I don't worry, I will. That is my favorite

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<v Speaker 5>thing to do. Let's let's yeah, let's talk about things

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<v Speaker 5>that are actually sad for the first first half of

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<v Speaker 5>this episode. You know, the past few years, it's kind

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<v Speaker 5>of been increasingly profitable to be friendly to the gaze,

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<v Speaker 5>which is kind of a new trend. You know, if

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<v Speaker 5>if you look at the past twenty years or so,

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<v Speaker 5>it's becoming more more profitable. Which if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 5>like a queer accelerationist anarchist, maybe maybe that's a bad thing, right,

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<v Speaker 5>But if you're just trying to like not get killed

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<v Speaker 5>in the interim as the climate collapses, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe a good thing. That generally queer acceptance has been improving,

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<v Speaker 5>but as it's been improven There's also been a pretty

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<v Speaker 5>sizable backlash from some members of the Christian right who

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<v Speaker 5>don't really like this or are trying to use this

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<v Speaker 5>backlash as a way to promote their own economic interests.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't think this needs to be an either

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<v Speaker 5>or I think this can definitely be a both scenario.

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<v Speaker 5>Speaking of Matthew Walsh, the Catholic self described fascist, this

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<v Speaker 5>is going to be kind of the the topic of

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<v Speaker 5>the first half of this because he has been able

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<v Speaker 5>to the work he's done, has been able to really

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<v Speaker 5>propel The Daily Wire as an actual like political entity

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<v Speaker 5>in a way that Shapiro just never really has. Shapiro

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<v Speaker 5>was really good at creating eye catching a YouTube clickbait

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<v Speaker 5>and stuff, but we never really saw him campaigning hard

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<v Speaker 5>for any political cause. He was never really doing that

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<v Speaker 5>type of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They come at of different eras in different communities. For

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, Ben Shapiro is Jewish and came of age

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<v Speaker 2>and came into prominence in the early two thousands when

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<v Speaker 2>conservatives had political power but basically zero like social power

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<v Speaker 2>as they saw it, right, and so he was always

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<v Speaker 2>positioned as like, I am sort of the I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>insurgent conservative, like I'm Rush Limbaugh. You know, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to provide a safe place for you, even though you

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<v Speaker 2>control the government to a large extent, where I can

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<v Speaker 2>yell at and make fun of the people that you

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<v Speaker 2>think are bad. Right, And that's that's the only thing

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<v Speaker 2>he ever really sought to do, is like lol, liberals dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>Walsh comes out of the Christian kind of dominionist adjacent

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<v Speaker 2>movement at the very least, and their goal has always

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<v Speaker 2>been capture the seven pillars of culture, right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>he from the beginning has thought of this more as

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<v Speaker 2>like I am waging a Christian war against secular society

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<v Speaker 2>and doing so like kind of methodically. So they just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have approached what they're doing fundamentally from a

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<v Speaker 2>different way and came into it at different times.

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<v Speaker 5>Walsh is definitely the most evangelical Catholic I've ever seen,

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<v Speaker 5>and which is weird because like back when he was

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<v Speaker 5>a popular Christian blogger, his stuff was very popular in

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<v Speaker 5>evangelical circles, even though evangelicals generally are not very friendly

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<v Speaker 5>to Catholics, but his stuff was widely shared because he

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<v Speaker 5>was quite provocative. Now, he spent a few years just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of laying low running a podcast at The Daily

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<v Speaker 5>Wire and then What is a Woman? Really? Really propelled

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<v Speaker 5>him into the spotlight and he got a glimpse of

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<v Speaker 5>fame and popularity that he's been endlessly trying to replicate.

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<v Speaker 5>And because this fame was based around hating trans people,

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<v Speaker 5>that is what he's decided to pivot his whole career

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<v Speaker 5>to doing. That is now his entire focus in life

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<v Speaker 5>is about how he doesn't like trans people because it

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<v Speaker 5>was very profitable for him. In twenty twenty two, so

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<v Speaker 5>as a part of an ongoing right wing harassment campaign

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<v Speaker 5>against TikTok influencer and chronic theater kid Dylan mulvaney, Matt

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<v Speaker 5>Walsh started a viral boycott campaign against bud Light for

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<v Speaker 5>having a brand partnership with a trans person. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not going to spend too much time here talking about

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<v Speaker 5>right wing boycotts. I'm sure we've all watched, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like Nike shoe burnings and Gillette razors being flushed down

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<v Speaker 5>the toilet and people dropping their Kere eggs off rooftops. Generally,

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<v Speaker 5>boycotts don't tend to work, but this bud Light thing

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<v Speaker 5>did show some success, and success in this instance specifically

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<v Speaker 5>refers to Walsh and the Daily Wire cronies receiving a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of attention and free publicity, so they sought to

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<v Speaker 5>replicate this strategy while publicly telegraphing their harassment methodology. Here's

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<v Speaker 5>two tweets from Matt Walsh quote, here's what we should do.

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<v Speaker 5>Pick a victim, gang up on it and make an

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<v Speaker 5>example of it. We can't boycott every woke company, or

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<v Speaker 5>even most of them, but we can pick one it

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<v Speaker 5>hardly matters which and target it with a ruthless boycott campaign.

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<v Speaker 5>Claim one scalp, then move on to the next. Our

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<v Speaker 5>goal is to make Pride toxic for brands. If they

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<v Speaker 5>decide to shove this garbage in our face, they should

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<v Speaker 5>know that they'll pay a price. It won't be worth

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<v Speaker 5>whatever they think they'll gain. First bud Light and now Target.

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<v Speaker 5>Our campaign is making progress. Let's keep it going so

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<v Speaker 5>as Walsh's said there, Walsh's next target was Target the

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<v Speaker 5>Department Store, due to the store's history of prominent Pride

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<v Speaker 5>displays in the lead up to Pride Month during twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty three. Target was met with online and in person harassment,

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<v Speaker 5>with a wave of emails and calls to individual stores,

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<v Speaker 5>accusing them of grooming and indoctrinating kids with the presence

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<v Speaker 5>of Pride themed apparel. People started ransacking stores, destroying pride displays,

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<v Speaker 5>threatening violence against employees in person, as well as calling

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<v Speaker 5>in multiple bomb threats into into many, many different stores,

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<v Speaker 5>mirroring the harassment campaign against trans clinics and hospitals the

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<v Speaker 5>year prior, which was also spearheaded by Matt Walsh. We've

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<v Speaker 5>seen this tactic game prominence. This bomb threat tactic is

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<v Speaker 5>now quite common among the right. We saw it be

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<v Speaker 5>called into there was there was a lot of bomb

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<v Speaker 5>threats called into like four hundred synagogues this past winter.

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<v Speaker 5>That was, you know, most likely done by some form

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<v Speaker 5>of neo Nazi. But we've just seen this, this specific

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<v Speaker 5>bomb threat tactic pick up a lot because it provides

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<v Speaker 5>a pretty sizable minor or short term disruption to regular,

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<v Speaker 5>regular services. Now, in response to this wave of harassment,

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<v Speaker 5>Target Corporate mandated that many stores remove their front of

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<v Speaker 5>store pride displays in late May, all across the country,

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<v Speaker 5>but especially in the South. Target released a statement saying

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<v Speaker 5>they were quote making adjustments to our plans given these

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<v Speaker 5>volatile circumstances unquote, and these adjustments included relocating or removing

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<v Speaker 5>Pride displays due to quote threats impacting our team members

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<v Speaker 5>a sense of safety and well being at work. Quote.

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<v Speaker 5>Employees were also instructed to specifically remove items quote at

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<v Speaker 5>the center of the most significant confrontational behavior unquote like shapewear, binders,

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<v Speaker 5>and a tuck friendly swimwear, and to quote replace them

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<v Speaker 5>with swimwear to better meet our sales goalsuot now. Walsh

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<v Speaker 5>claimed that the tuck friendly swimwear was being marketed to kids,

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<v Speaker 5>but it only came in adult sizes. A lot of

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<v Speaker 5>this sort of harassment campaign isn't really based on anything truthful,

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<v Speaker 5>but that doesn't really matter. Here's a quote from Walsh again, quote,

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<v Speaker 5>I think this Target boycott has real staying power. Target

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<v Speaker 5>has now branded itself as a far left organization to

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<v Speaker 5>the point where it's embarrassing to shop there. This is

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<v Speaker 5>the branding that makes the boycott stick. It happened about Light,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's happening to Target. This is what conservatives

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<v Speaker 5>have missed in the past with failed boycott attempts. It's

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<v Speaker 5>not enough to simply tell people not to shop somewhere

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<v Speaker 5>or buy something. You have to make it so that

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<v Speaker 5>they don't want to. So after a around five percent

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<v Speaker 5>sales drop in the second quarter, and again it's hard

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<v Speaker 5>to actually figure out what that can be attributed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Beer sales also hit like their lowest level in recent history. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just kind of.

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<v Speaker 5>A Again, it's hard to see if these things are

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<v Speaker 5>actually working, But that doesn't matter because the right can

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<v Speaker 5>claim them as a success.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and Target released an update saying, quote, the reaction

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<v Speaker 5>is a signal for us to pause, adapt and learn

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<v Speaker 5>so that our future approach to these moments balances celebration, inclusivity,

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<v Speaker 5>and broad based appeal unquote. And Walsh claimed this announcement

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<v Speaker 5>as a quote quite massive victory. Now, I hope you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I hope many of us aren't, you know, shopping for

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<v Speaker 5>Pride products at a store like Target. But for a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of kids and even adults in more conservative areas

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<v Speaker 5>of the country, Target was really the only place to

2:28:21.360 --> 2:28:24.959
<v Speaker 5>get gender firming clothing like binders and trans friendly swimsuits

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<v Speaker 5>in person. These things can be tricky to buy online.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes you don't want to package showing up to your

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<v Speaker 5>door if you can't be the one to like open it.

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<v Speaker 5>So Target really was the only place for a lot

2:28:34.720 --> 2:28:38.160
<v Speaker 5>of people to have access to this kind of stuff. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>last year, Michael Knowles tried to kind of replicate the

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<v Speaker 5>Matt Walsh strategy because it proved to be very, very successful.

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<v Speaker 5>So they had Walls going out on doing very similar

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<v Speaker 5>kind of anti transit speeches. He spoke at a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of the big conservative conferences talking about how we need

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<v Speaker 5>to eliminate transgenderism. He jumped on this this boycott stuff

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<v Speaker 5>and his viewers saying, quote, we need to make the

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<v Speaker 5>Pride symbol toxic for brands. We need to make companies

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<v Speaker 5>think twice as we're making these symbols culturally toxic. We've

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<v Speaker 5>got to come in with more political force to ban

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<v Speaker 5>this stuff. Don't back down. The progress conservatives have made

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<v Speaker 5>on this just between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that companies are trying to back off shows

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<v Speaker 5>that we are winning. Keep pushing much much harder. Unquote

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<v Speaker 5>and at the very least local governments were responding to

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<v Speaker 5>this sort of thing. In another instance of the government

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<v Speaker 5>being in cahoots with the Daily Wire, on July fifth,

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty three, the Attorney's General of Indiana, Arkansas, Idaho Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 5>and South Carolina sent a joint letter adjusted to Target's CEO,

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<v Speaker 5>ostensibly threatening legal action against Target for carrying LGBTQ merchandise.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to read some quotes from this letter because

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<v Speaker 5>it's a really interesting thing that I've never really seen done.

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<v Speaker 5>Four in terms of like five or six of these

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<v Speaker 5>states all coming together to actually affect the market. Quote.

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<v Speaker 5>Target's pride campaign not only raises concerns under our states

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<v Speaker 5>child protection and parental rights laws, but also against our

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<v Speaker 5>states economic interests. As Target shareholders, Target's management has a

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<v Speaker 5>finishiary duty to our states as shareholders in the company.

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<v Speaker 5>The evidence suggests that Targets directors and officers may be

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<v Speaker 5>negligent in undertaking the pride campaign, which negatively affected Target's

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<v Speaker 5>stock price. Moreover, it may have improperly directed company resources

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<v Speaker 5>for collateral, political, or social goals unrelated to the companies

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<v Speaker 5>and its shareholders best's interests. It is likely more profitable

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<v Speaker 5>to sell the type of pride that enshrines the love

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<v Speaker 5>of the United States. Target's pride campaign alienates, whereas pride

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<v Speaker 5>in our country unites. Targets management has no duty to

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<v Speaker 5>fulfill stores with objectionable goods, let alone endor or feature

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<v Speaker 5>them in attention grabbing displays at the behest of radical activists. However,

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<v Speaker 5>Target's management does have a fdicciary duty to its shareholders

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<v Speaker 5>to act in the company's best interests. Target's board and

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<v Speaker 5>management may not lawfully dilute their findicciary duties to satisfy

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<v Speaker 5>the boards or the left wing activists desire to foist

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<v Speaker 5>contentious political or social agendas upon families and children at

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<v Speaker 5>the expense of the company's hard won goodwill and against

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<v Speaker 5>its best interests unquote. And it's just generally not a

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<v Speaker 5>great sign when the government is trying to convince a

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<v Speaker 5>business that it's in their legal and financial interests to

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<v Speaker 5>throw the gaze to the wolves.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, it's also, yeah, that's not how fiduciary duty works. Like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a legal principle. It's more of a philosophical

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<v Speaker 2>principle among capitalists that is dominant. But like, you actually

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<v Speaker 2>are not breaking the law by doing something that's not

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<v Speaker 2>in fiduciary interest of your shareholders, among other things, basically

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<v Speaker 2>impossible to anyway whatever this is all, But it's a

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<v Speaker 2>question of like what you can get away with right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what fascists always do, and it's from a

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<v Speaker 2>strategic standpoint. If you're looking at the culture war as

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of mutual insurgency, it's a strategy of denying

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<v Speaker 2>terrain to the enemy, in this case, access to a

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<v Speaker 2>place that is available in basically every state where trans

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<v Speaker 2>people can purchase stuff like binders and get to try

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<v Speaker 2>them all like it's making life. It's reducing maneuvering space

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<v Speaker 2>for the enemy, as they see it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and this campaign worked specifically because of the Christian

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<v Speaker 5>rights willingness to use physical violence, property destruction, and threats

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<v Speaker 5>against workers to achieve their goals. That is why Target caved,

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<v Speaker 5>because enough of their employees were feeling threatened, enough of

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<v Speaker 5>their displays were being destroyed and ransacked. No one was

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<v Speaker 5>held accountable because they're not going to arrest these people

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<v Speaker 5>for the stuff. And that's what causes to really have

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<v Speaker 5>any level of success.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>During Pride Month back in twenty twenty three, Starbucks union

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<v Speaker 5>members began coming forward saying that Starbucks and store managers

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<v Speaker 5>weren't letting employees put up their usual Pride decorations, telling

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<v Speaker 5>workers that it was a safety concern, citing recent incidents

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<v Speaker 5>at Target and the manufactured about light controversy. Now Starbucks

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<v Speaker 5>Corporate claimed that they made no policy changes regarding pride decorations,

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<v Speaker 5>but that quote, retail leaders continued to work with store

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<v Speaker 5>teams to find ways to celebrate their communities, keeping in

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<v Speaker 5>mind our safety standards unquote. So I think this was

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<v Speaker 5>more up to kind of like local ownership and local management.

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<v Speaker 5>The union publicized confirmed instances of managers not letting workers

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<v Speaker 5>wear pride pins or put up flags, and then in

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<v Speaker 5>early June, a regional director ordered a collection of one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred stores across Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Missouri to throw out

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<v Speaker 5>pride decorations from previous years and were barred from putting

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<v Speaker 5>up any pride related decor inside stores. The union claims

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<v Speaker 5>that there was workers in a total of twenty one

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<v Speaker 5>states that were not allowed to put up pride decorations.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think for the Daily Wire hosts that are

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<v Speaker 5>pushing this sort of stuff, and especially Michael Knowles, especially

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<v Speaker 5>Matt Walsh, their motive is deeply theological for this, But

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<v Speaker 5>for the Daily Wire, this is deeply economical because all

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<v Speaker 5>of this also serves as free advertising for the Daily

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<v Speaker 5>Wire and it builds the personal brand of their hosts,

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<v Speaker 5>which is the very thing that Jeremy Boring was trying

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<v Speaker 5>to get started with Ben Shapiro back during Truth Revolt.

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<v Speaker 5>This was his whole idea was building up the personal

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<v Speaker 5>brand of these of these right wing media figures, and

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<v Speaker 5>all of this anti queer stuff provides really, really great

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<v Speaker 5>marketing to propel these one time very niche figures into

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<v Speaker 5>actual national spotlight. Do you know what else deserves to

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<v Speaker 5>be put into the spotlight, Robert.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, that's a crime. All of my ideas are to

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<v Speaker 2>suggest crime. Let's just move on.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's just let's you know, I think ads deserves huh.

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<v Speaker 5>There we go the spotlight. Great, all right, we are back.

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<v Speaker 5>It's once again time to talk about the Daily Wire

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<v Speaker 5>Plus and their and their hit new streaming service. So

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<v Speaker 5>when Jeremy Boring announced the Daily Wire Plus back in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty two, the early marketing was made in response

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<v Speaker 5>to the Disney Company having very very very very slight

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<v Speaker 5>pushback on Florida's Don't Say Gay Bill. Now, a big

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<v Speaker 5>part of the Daily Wire Plus announcement was about how

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<v Speaker 5>Disney has been woke afying children's TV shows, and so

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<v Speaker 5>the Daily Wire decided to position itself as a safe

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<v Speaker 5>alternative media hub for conservative families. I'm going to play

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<v Speaker 5>a short clip from the announcement.

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<v Speaker 9>There is unbelievable kids content in the market. The beauty

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<v Speaker 9>of kids content is that, unlike adult content, there's always

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<v Speaker 9>new kids and they go back.

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<v Speaker 3>And watch it.

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<v Speaker 9>So there's an unbelievable library of content. Most of it's

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<v Speaker 9>at Disney, let's be honest. But it's not that the

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<v Speaker 9>content isn't great. It's that you can't trust the platform.

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<v Speaker 9>You can't put your kids in front of a classic

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<v Speaker 9>piece of Disney content because you don't know that the

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<v Speaker 9>very next thing that plays won't be that not so

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<v Speaker 9>secret gay agenda that teaches your daughter that she's a boy.

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<v Speaker 9>That's why we have to have Daily wire Plus. So

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<v Speaker 9>that is what they're framing the Daily wire Plus ass

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<v Speaker 9>That's why the Daily wire Plus is important. Also, I

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<v Speaker 9>love how he said that kid's content is so profitable

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<v Speaker 9>because there keeps being kids, unlike adult content, which doesn't

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<v Speaker 9>make any sense because.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids we stopped a but like a plague hit, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense at all. Yeah, that's like a

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<v Speaker 2>reverse Children of Men sort of deal. Anyway, God, what

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<v Speaker 2>a mess that would be man. That's not a bad

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<v Speaker 2>idea for a movie. Just people keep making more babies,

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<v Speaker 2>but they never grow up. So just like a dwindling

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<v Speaker 2>number of adults and infinite babies. That's not bad, not

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<v Speaker 2>a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 5>This is why I like watching Jeremy Boring because there's

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<v Speaker 5>so many moments like this, because he's so not charismatic,

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<v Speaker 5>but his complete void just makes I just can't stop

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<v Speaker 5>staring into the void.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I already just listening to thirty seconds of him.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had an idea for a multimillion dollar adaptation, gritty

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<v Speaker 2>adaptation of the rug Rats. I think we could, really

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<v Speaker 2>we can make a lot of money with this.

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<v Speaker 5>So a press release put out by The Daily Wire

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<v Speaker 5>itself went into more detail about the company's child content initiative.

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<v Speaker 5>Now I'm gonna read this, this is a direct quote quote.

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<v Speaker 5>On Wednesday evening, the Daily Wire's co CEO and god King,

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<v Speaker 5>Jeremy Boring, announced that the Daily Wire company town Hall

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<v Speaker 5>that the company will invest a minimum of one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>million dollars over the next three years into a line

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<v Speaker 5>of live action and animated children's entertainment on its streaming

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<v Speaker 5>platform unquote, and that that term God King is constantly

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<v Speaker 5>how Jeremy refers to himself, which I guess is supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to be a joke, but the fact that he does

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<v Speaker 5>it at all is is is the actual joke that

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that he just calls himself the God King

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<v Speaker 5>is what a what a perfect look into the soul

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<v Speaker 5>of just a completely dead man. Yeah, he the God

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<v Speaker 5>King of the Daily Wire. That's that's been like rewritten

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<v Speaker 5>in like deadline variety. Actual publications have been forced to

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<v Speaker 5>write the God King Jeremy boring anyway. So to start

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<v Speaker 5>this child content initiative, Jeremy brought some writers from Netflix's

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<v Speaker 5>Veggietails and The Babylon Bee to head up their kid's content.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a picture in my script here that Robert

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<v Speaker 5>can see of Eric Brand's gum, which is a great name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is an amazing name.

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<v Speaker 5>Who is the co creator of the first Daily Wire

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<v Speaker 5>kids show, Chip Chilla and Robert. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 5>describe what's in this picture of Eric?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, there is a heavy set man wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>T shirt that is, to be frank a little tighter

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<v Speaker 2>than is comfortable. He's got a red beard, he has

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<v Speaker 2>sunglasses on. It looks like right, up above his hairline.

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<v Speaker 2>A massive Confederate flag lines the wall behind him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he appears to be casually pointing a handgun at his

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<v Speaker 2>penis at his dick. Yes, yes, can't tell if it's

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<v Speaker 2>fingers through the trigger guard, but I hope so.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. So that is the co creator of Chipchilla, which

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<v Speaker 5>we will we will get to in a sec Now,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know this.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, there are four to six moist spots on his

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<v Speaker 2>shirt and it does not It doesn't. It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>flattering look. I'm not body shaming the man. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying there are four to six moist spots on his shirt,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wouldn't want to be filmed with with that

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<v Speaker 2>many moist spots on my shirt while pointing a gun

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<v Speaker 2>at my dick in front of a Confederate flag.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if this is either despite or because

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<v Speaker 5>of The Daily Wire's constant attacks on how Disney has

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<v Speaker 5>a gay agenda, But The Daily Wire did manage to

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<v Speaker 5>acquire some talent from Disney. In August of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 5>they recruited the showrunner of the Emmy winning animated series

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<v Speaker 5>Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure, Chris Sonnenberg to be the Senior VP

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<v Speaker 5>of Animation Development and Production at The Daily Wire. Now

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<v Speaker 5>they most likely got this guy the Jeremy Borings and

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<v Speaker 5>Sonnenberg's mutual friend Zachary Levi, who again was in was

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<v Speaker 5>in Boring's first movie, and Zachary Levi also starred as

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<v Speaker 5>Flinn Ryder Entangled and This and This Tangled animated series

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<v Speaker 5>for the Disney Channel. So I'm guessing this is how

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<v Speaker 5>this connection was made. But yeah, so this this guy

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<v Speaker 5>who was actually like a very successful, like mainstream showrunner

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<v Speaker 5>for animated animated shows, some somehow decided to agree to

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<v Speaker 5>get hired by The Daily Wire. And this is this

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<v Speaker 5>is now his jobs overseeing the animated production for chip Chilla.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is the Bluey knock off. I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, among other things. There's been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of layoffs and animation. I have no doubt that a

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<v Speaker 2>number of people who don't align ideologically but are desperate

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<v Speaker 2>for a job and just more morally flexible than others

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<v Speaker 2>are going to wind up working for this project.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah, So this past October, the Daily Wire's multi

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<v Speaker 5>year initiative to create a slate of children's programming finally

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<v Speaker 5>had something to show. In another live streamed announcement, Jeremy

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<v Speaker 5>Boring ranted about how Disney is using their parent trusted

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<v Speaker 5>brand to quote indoctrinate children into the LGBTQIA cult unquote. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>while he praised Walt Disney as an American entrepreneur, Jeremy

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<v Speaker 5>Boring derided the current state of the Disney Company as

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<v Speaker 5>quote pushing all of the worst excesses of the woke left,

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<v Speaker 5>including paying for employees abortions, promoting anti racism training end quote,

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<v Speaker 5>going to war on behalf of the left wing social

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<v Speaker 5>policy in Florida. Unquote. Boring framed Disney's quite tame political

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<v Speaker 5>stances as a huge cultural loss for conservatives. And here's

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<v Speaker 5>a part of that announcement.

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<v Speaker 10>It would be impossible to overstate just how big a

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<v Speaker 10>loss this is for Americans. Wuper even basic reality, Disney

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<v Speaker 10>controls the greatest content library ever created. Their cultural reach,

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<v Speaker 10>particularly with children, is beyond anything that's ever existed. Recognizing

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<v Speaker 10>the scope of this loss, the Daily Wire announced that

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<v Speaker 10>we would spend one hundred million dollars over three years

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<v Speaker 10>to begin our own kids entertainment company, and today, on

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<v Speaker 10>the one hundredth anniversary of the day Walt Disney founded

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<v Speaker 10>his company. I'm proud to announce the launch of ours,

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<v Speaker 10>introducing bent Key and Entirely New Companies for The Daily Wire,

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<v Speaker 10>a company dedicated to creating the next generation of timeless

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<v Speaker 10>stories to transport kids into a world of adventure, imagination,

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<v Speaker 10>and joy.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, okay, so bent bent Key, Robert, how do you

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<v Speaker 5>feel about one? The name, the name bent Key, and

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<v Speaker 5>the and the the bent Key logo.

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<v Speaker 2>The bent Key logo looks like a flaccid penis.

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<v Speaker 5>He does kind of look like a flacid penis. Y.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's not an appealing name. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing you've got to say for Walt Disney, and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's impossible to say. Like my head says,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something just kind of inherently attractive about the last

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<v Speaker 2>name Disney. Yeah, but like made it always a good brand.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe if, like, if he'd been named Bluffo, would

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<v Speaker 2>it have worked? Would Bluffo Entertainment be the cultural powerhouse

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<v Speaker 2>that it became. I can't even we can't answer Disney's

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<v Speaker 2>such a thing. You can't answer it even.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they could have gone with a boring entertainment. But

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<v Speaker 5>I guess they.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was not gonna happen. Bluffo's a better one

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<v Speaker 2>than boring.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, bent keys. That's the word bent and the

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<v Speaker 5>word key, and yeah, the logo is this lowercase B

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<v Speaker 5>with a little droopy arm connecting to the letter K.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which doesn't really look like a key, but does

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<v Speaker 2>look a little bit like an abstracted penis. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>the B part kind of forming the head. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>the ties of the key are two ball. I would

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<v Speaker 2>have given it three times if I was making the key,

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<v Speaker 2>just so it didn't look like balls.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, do you know what else is a really important

2:45:12.120 --> 2:45:17.760
<v Speaker 5>announcement that we have for our audience now, it's these

2:45:17.800 --> 2:45:20.840
<v Speaker 5>products and services that support this podcast to pay close attention.

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<v Speaker 5>This is crucial information about the fight for America and

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<v Speaker 5>to secure our values. Okay, all right, we are back

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<v Speaker 5>back to talk about bent Key Entertainment, the new hit

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<v Speaker 5>streaming service that your kids can enjoy. So the Daily

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<v Speaker 5>Wire Kids content used to be under the banner of

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<v Speaker 5>just Daily Wire Kids or DW Kids, right, and the

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<v Speaker 5>choice to rebrand, even with a name as silly as

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<v Speaker 5>bent Key, I think is actually one of their smarter

2:46:04.400 --> 2:46:07.879
<v Speaker 5>moves here. They recognize that The Daily Wire is a

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<v Speaker 5>very politically charged and possibly limiting title if they want

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<v Speaker 5>to create a growing children's media company. Now Ever, since

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<v Speaker 5>what is a Woman and up to their most recent

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<v Speaker 5>releases like Ladyballers, the name the Daily Wire has actually

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<v Speaker 5>been hidden or not included in like legal contracts and

2:46:26.400 --> 2:46:29.400
<v Speaker 5>forms when people are signing up to these projects. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think bent Key allows them to cast the widest

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<v Speaker 5>net possible to not only you get people to buy

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<v Speaker 5>their service, but also to get people to collaborate with

2:46:38.000 --> 2:46:41.200
<v Speaker 5>them on media. And it also like it also works

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<v Speaker 5>to attract parents that might not even be aware of

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<v Speaker 5>what the Daily Wire is. It's just this new kids

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<v Speaker 5>streaming service company. And also bent Key Ventures also happens

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<v Speaker 5>to be the name of The Daily Wire's parent company,

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<v Speaker 5>so that's probably why they picked it. I still don't

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<v Speaker 5>know what bent Key means, but it's also the name

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<v Speaker 5>of the parent company for The Daily Wire, which is

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<v Speaker 5>probably the name they're gonna use for a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>like their contracts. And they're trying to like get like

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<v Speaker 5>actors and like producers to sign into their stuff, because

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<v Speaker 5>whenever someone sees the Daily Wire on something, if they're

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<v Speaker 5>smart at all they'll be like, absolutely not. But if

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<v Speaker 5>the word bent key is on there instead, maybe that

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<v Speaker 5>won't raise as many red flags. So the new child

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<v Speaker 5>focused app is available for only ninety nine dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 5>Hell hell of a steal. Wow And at launch included

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred and fifty episodes across eighteen different shows, four

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<v Speaker 5>of which were produced in house, with new episodes airing

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<v Speaker 5>every Saturday morning. Their flagship show, Chipchilla is about a

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<v Speaker 5>family of homeschooled chinchillas. Now, some have pointed out that

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<v Speaker 5>this appears to be a blatant conservative ripoff of the

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<v Speaker 5>very popular kid show Bluey. Yes, and I have I

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<v Speaker 5>have a picture comparing Blue and Chip Chilla.

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<v Speaker 2>Here the same fucking animation style.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah except except. I think this also shows that if

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<v Speaker 5>you've seen any of the Blue art, you can compare

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<v Speaker 5>it to the Chip Chilla art. They do look similar

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<v Speaker 5>in like color palette, but there is a massive difference

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<v Speaker 5>in like the appealing design of Blue, which actually looks

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<v Speaker 5>pretty good versus the the design of the Chip Chilla

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<v Speaker 5>characters just looks slightly off it. It looks kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like they're all on like half a tab of acid

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<v Speaker 5>versus Yeah, versus Bluey looks like has like pretty good

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<v Speaker 5>character design like it has it has a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>it has a lot of range for like expressions versus

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<v Speaker 5>everyone in chip Chilla just all has the same like

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<v Speaker 5>a wide eyed look.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty widely considered to be like one of the better

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<v Speaker 2>children's animated shows. That's that's just existed.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so somehow, somehow the Blue Dog Show must have

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<v Speaker 5>been too woke. So instead in the Daily Wires version,

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<v Speaker 5>the kids are all homeschooled and operate as like a

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<v Speaker 5>stereotypical nuclear family. Mm hmm, so this was This was

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<v Speaker 5>the first show they announced, but they have others. Their

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<v Speaker 5>other original content includes a show where a middle aged

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<v Speaker 5>woman talks to a dog puppet.

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<v Speaker 2>God So yeah, lamb Chop okay.

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<v Speaker 5>And two other original live action shows star child actors

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<v Speaker 5>that teach fitness and history to kids. And all of

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<v Speaker 5>between all of the Daily Wire original content I've watched.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing I feel most uncomfortable about is the amount

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<v Speaker 5>of child actors who've been forced into doing this, who

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<v Speaker 5>don't know anything about The Daily Wire or politics. They're

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<v Speaker 5>just these poor kids who have now been forced to

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<v Speaker 5>participate in this like evil machine. Now I'm going to

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<v Speaker 5>play a one minute, one minute trailer for Robert. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not going to play it for the audience here because

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<v Speaker 5>you don't need to just hear this add but you

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<v Speaker 5>will hear our reactions afterwards. So here's for Robert. Here

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<v Speaker 5>is the trailer for bent Key. Oh God, how'd you

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<v Speaker 5>feel about the bent Key trailer? Robert?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we'll see if it

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<v Speaker 2>takes off. I'm sure it could be a profitable business,

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<v Speaker 2>right yeah, yeah, yeah, in terms of capturing the wider

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<v Speaker 2>cultural market, I don't see it being a Disney level

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<v Speaker 2>success or even like a Nickelodeon level success. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it right now on Twitter. It's got four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ninety likes and six hundred something thousand views. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>I can see them getting enough downloads to make this

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<v Speaker 2>maybe worthwhile enough. If they're spending thirty million or more

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<v Speaker 2>a year on production, that is going to be kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hard, especially given like bandwidth costs and shit to

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, we'll say, yeah, I'm surprised if it's

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<v Speaker 2>able to be a functional business. I don't think. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see anything on there that makes me think, oh

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<v Speaker 2>this is kids are going to fall in love with

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<v Speaker 2>this shit. Most of these, most great like children's networks

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<v Speaker 2>and children's like entertainment companies, were driven by iconic successes

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<v Speaker 2>that like absolutely took over and were like dominant culturally.

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<v Speaker 2>You think about like in the early nineties, shit like Aladdin, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and like or The Lion King, how fucking everywhere and

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<v Speaker 2>how a generation before you had, you know, the earlier

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<v Speaker 2>generation of Disney animated movies. You think about stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or like the Uh. That

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff was was not just it was dominant

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<v Speaker 2>among kids, but it also like adults continue to watch

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<v Speaker 2>it for generations. And I've never run into anybody outside

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<v Speaker 2>of weird right wings, outside of not even weird right

2:51:48.200 --> 2:51:50.960
<v Speaker 2>wing circles. I've never run out into anybody who has

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<v Speaker 2>not work for The Daily Wire talking about these shows.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, and I think there's a few things about that.

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<v Speaker 5>I think One, they don't need kids to like it.

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<v Speaker 5>They only need parents to pay the annual.

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<v Speaker 2>Fee, yeah, for it to make sense as a business,

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<v Speaker 2>for it to do culturally what they want rather more

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<v Speaker 2>as required.

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<v Speaker 5>At least a few years ago, they were pulling in

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<v Speaker 5>over one hundred million dollars in revenue per year. And

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<v Speaker 5>one thing that Daily Wire has shown is that they

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<v Speaker 5>are kind of playing the long game with this sort

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<v Speaker 5>of stuff. They're not looking for short term profit. They're

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<v Speaker 5>looking to slowly build dominance in this industry, mostly to

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<v Speaker 5>just fulfill Jeremy and Ben's dreams of working in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 5>Like that's all this is, is that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 5>fill their childhood dreams of making movies. So all of

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<v Speaker 5>this is just being put towards making industry connections to

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<v Speaker 5>be able to actually just make TV and films like that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's all this is actually for. So which leads us

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<v Speaker 5>to the most ambitious upcoming bent Key production, a live

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<v Speaker 5>action fairy tale adaption written by Jeremy Boring in response

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<v Speaker 5>to Disney's own upcoming remake of their class film snow White.

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<v Speaker 10>The company Disney found it doesn't agree with their founder

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<v Speaker 10>and visionary they're remaking their own iconic film nearly one

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<v Speaker 10>hundred years later. They've decided to make some key changes.

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<v Speaker 10>Their lead actress the new snow White, Rachel Ziegler, has

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<v Speaker 10>summed it up saying, quote, I just mean it's no

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<v Speaker 10>longer nineteen thirty seven. We absolutely wrote a snow White

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<v Speaker 10>that she's not going to be saved by the prince,

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<v Speaker 10>and she's not going to be dreaming about true love.

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<v Speaker 10>She's dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be,

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<v Speaker 10>and the leader that her late father told her she

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<v Speaker 10>could be if she was fearless, fair, brave and true.

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<v Speaker 10>While Disney still uses Walt's name, they've all but abandoned

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<v Speaker 10>his legacy. Instead of telling stories about timeless truth what

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<v Speaker 10>the ancient fairy tales were all about, Disney's new snow

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<v Speaker 10>White is an apology for their past and will expose

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<v Speaker 10>children to the popular but destructive lies of the current moment.

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<v Speaker 10>Which is why, in addition to announcing the launch of

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<v Speaker 10>our Kids Entertainment Company, I also want to announce today

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<v Speaker 10>that company's first live action feature film, story about a

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<v Speaker 10>princess and a prince, about beauty and vanity, about love

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<v Speaker 10>and its power to raise us from death to life.

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<v Speaker 10>It's our own peration of an ancient fairy tale. It's

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<v Speaker 10>coming in twenty twenty four, and it's called So.

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<v Speaker 5>Before I play the rest of the trailer for Robert,

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<v Speaker 5>there is a few funny things about this clip that

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<v Speaker 5>I just played for the audience as well. Mostly when

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<v Speaker 5>he's describing like the new Disney snow White, it's like

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<v Speaker 5>a very like sensible message that the lead actor was

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<v Speaker 5>talking about. He's like, this is horrible, imassion.

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<v Speaker 2>I also don't even think it's a great message. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very conservative message that like this woman is

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<v Speaker 2>born to lead and it is about her finding her

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<v Speaker 2>place in the bread, in the hierarchy of her state.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's a pretty conservative message. They just hate it

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<v Speaker 2>because a Walm set it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, but now will I will play you the very brief,

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<v Speaker 5>like thirty second trailer based on like this one thing

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<v Speaker 5>they've shot.

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<v Speaker 3>One super.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 5>So bad, a tale of typeless truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Prince would come wow, little on the nose. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>she's even got a basket of red apples, the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of apples that don't exist anywhere but a gene engineered farm.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and it's clearly snow white. Oh my god. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>ah fuck.

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<v Speaker 5>So I actually I actually do want to play that

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<v Speaker 5>for the audience because it's just so nunny.

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<v Speaker 2>You keep that in there. That's that's good because like

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<v Speaker 2>the song they've got in there is like completely without wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like once upon a time a principal come

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<v Speaker 2>or some shit. She's like in the woods picking apples

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<v Speaker 2>that are like a color of red that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even see in the like that not a natural read

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<v Speaker 2>at all, just profoundly off putting, in weird. So one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy seventeen thousand views, So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see if this beats the original snow White or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever snow White real actors and writers are making.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is This is snow White and the Evil Queen,

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm not sure if you pick this up. This

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<v Speaker 5>is this is starring failed actor and the Daily Wire's

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<v Speaker 5>own gen Z female clone of Ben Shapiro, Brett Cooper

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<v Speaker 5>as snow White. It's that other Daily Wire host that

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<v Speaker 5>looks like a weird female version of Ben Shapiro is

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<v Speaker 5>starring as Snowing and it all just looks like really

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<v Speaker 5>bad cosplay, like the it is. It was quite something.

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<v Speaker 5>So that is that is their first bent Key upcoming

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<v Speaker 5>original movie. So I'm sure everyone's gonna be excited for

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<v Speaker 5>that one. And like it seems the entire bent Key

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<v Speaker 5>strategy is to either be so banal that it appeals

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<v Speaker 5>to like unassuming parents who don't know what The Daily

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<v Speaker 5>Wire is, or to create these like fake culture war

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<v Speaker 5>outrage moments to scare parents into thinking that woke corporations

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<v Speaker 5>are trying to turn their kids gay or or trying

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<v Speaker 5>to tear kids into like feminists, and the only way

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<v Speaker 5>to stop that is to give The Daily Wire one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred dollars a year to watch failed screenwriters and actors

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<v Speaker 5>poorly imitate better pieces of film and TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the trouble they're going to have here is

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a I think a discrepancy between what would

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<v Speaker 2>do the best job of achieving what they claim as

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<v Speaker 2>their social mission right, which is incepting conservative ideas into

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<v Speaker 2>mass culture by taking over pop entertainment, and they're what

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<v Speaker 2>is clearly their more important goal, which is making a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money. Because the best way to make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money, and I think they there's a good

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<v Speaker 2>chance they can succeed building a content network for their

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<v Speaker 2>weirdo fans that cost one hundred dollars a year, But

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<v Speaker 2>if they want to reach the most people, the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing they do would be to get to a point

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<v Speaker 2>where they can sell their videos streaming to Netflix and

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<v Speaker 2>the like. But that doesn't keep people in their walled

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<v Speaker 2>garden and also probably is less profitable over time than

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<v Speaker 2>having a monopoly on this shit. And so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what they're going to choose to do. That'll be

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to watch, but yeah, I mean it's the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing is a business. This could work for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see about the other stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>And again, so this is this is only half of

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<v Speaker 5>their efforts, because on top of the one hundred million

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<v Speaker 5>dollars put towards children's program thing which has resulted in

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<v Speaker 5>bent Key, the Daily Wire Plus was also putting an

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<v Speaker 5>additional one hundred million dollars into more adult oriented entertainment. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>most of the Daily Wires production effort has been going

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<v Speaker 5>into adapting the Christian Arthurian novels The Pendragon Cycle live

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<v Speaker 5>action seven episode mini series directed by Jeremy Boring. The

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<v Speaker 5>upcoming fantasy series just wrapped filming in Europe this past fall.

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<v Speaker 5>The cast is mostly made up of like sealist actors.

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<v Speaker 2>Never never, I don't know where they made the scarson,

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<v Speaker 2>but never has a production seemed more Croatia than this.

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<v Speaker 5>It's stilled in Hungary, in Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh my god, I was close. I was close.

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<v Speaker 5>There you go there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>The cast is made up of mostly Like sealst actors,

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<v Speaker 5>some Daily Wire staff, and actors from small roles in

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<v Speaker 5>like Game of Thrones and The Witcher. So this is

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<v Speaker 5>coming out later this year. It's based on this series

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<v Speaker 5>of novels that came out in the in the two thousands.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's it's like an Arthurian story, but set slightly

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<v Speaker 5>before the rise of like England. It's it's during like

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<v Speaker 5>the fall of like British Rome. I think is what

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<v Speaker 5>they call it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, I'm sorry. We all got to see a great

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<v Speaker 2>Arthurian cycle move recently, and something tells me this one's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a lot less of a guy coming into

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<v Speaker 2>a scarf.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't think you'll think this'll be as good as

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<v Speaker 5>The Green Knight.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we're gonna get a real fucking clear

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<v Speaker 2>shot of one guy's come in a scarf. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that.

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<v Speaker 5>I trust director Jeremy Boring's vision, ah man. But the

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<v Speaker 5>project I am the most excited about is that The

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<v Speaker 5>Daily Wire has acquired exclusive rights to adapt in Rand's

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<v Speaker 5>Atlas Shrugged into a television series. Oh good, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like that's like being an opponent of the Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen forty one and hearing that they've just invaded

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union, Like, oh thank god, Okay, okay, we're

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<v Speaker 2>on the down swing of this one. Boys.

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<v Speaker 5>I am I am so excited to see the libertarian

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<v Speaker 5>wet dream that's gonna be this Atlas Shrugged TV show.

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<v Speaker 5>There is no one else I would rather adapt to

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<v Speaker 5>Atlas Shrugged than the Daily Wire parpacouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Antlas Shrug is like famously like the least filmable thing

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<v Speaker 2>of all time, like it's it's.

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<v Speaker 5>The scout Heads actually could be like a fine movie,

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<v Speaker 5>but Atlas, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm excited to think you can make Atlas Shrugged

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<v Speaker 2>and do I hope I hope they do shot for

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<v Speaker 2>shot that one like seventy page speech that what's his

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<v Speaker 2>name goes on? Oh yeah, that's that's what I really want.

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<v Speaker 5>Ah. So yeah, I am actually excited to excited to

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<v Speaker 5>not like hate watch, but like curiously staring into the

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<v Speaker 5>void watch their Atlas, their Atlas Shrug show. But the

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<v Speaker 5>one Daily Wire plus series that I am not very

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<v Speaker 5>much excited about is an upcoming adult animated a scripted

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<v Speaker 5>series created by Adam krolla entitled Mister Burchum.

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<v Speaker 2>God in Heaven. Yeah, I saw ads for this one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this show's description sounds like the most old man

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<v Speaker 5>yells at cloud premise I've ever heard. Quote. Mister Burcham

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<v Speaker 5>attempts to navigate a world he doesn't understand or approve of.

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<v Speaker 5>He's befuddled by his gaming streamer's son Eddie, annoyed at

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<v Speaker 5>his selfie taking snowflake students, and is constantly at war

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<v Speaker 5>with the school district's appointed Jedi Justice Equality, Diversity and

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<v Speaker 5>Inclusion officer, mister CARPONSEI UNQ. So that's the description of

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<v Speaker 5>the show, which I don't know about you. That sounds

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<v Speaker 5>like a horrible time. The cast includes Corolla as mister Burcham,

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<v Speaker 5>Magan Kelly Roseenne Barr, conservative comedian Tyler Fisher, Daily Wire

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<v Speaker 5>hosts Brett Cooper and Cana Owens, comedian Alonso Broden, a

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<v Speaker 5>former Amy Schumer, writer Kyle Dunningen, and unfortunately Danny Trejoe

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<v Speaker 5>and Patrick Warburton.

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<v Speaker 2>That last one hurts, that last one, I know. That's

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>All sad.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's I am going to play this for the audience because, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>My I guess I'm not surprised that being in Venture

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers didn't pay enough for him to avoid this.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and apparently Warburton is a conservative. I am interested

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<v Speaker 5>to see what some of these people were told before

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<v Speaker 5>they agreed to this, because I know the Daily Player's

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<v Speaker 5>name has been hidden in a lot of contracts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and Adam Carol is a real comedian, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say good, but like he is somebody who established

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<v Speaker 2>a career in Hollywood. Yeah, I get it. So and

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like fucking Brickleberry and all those other like

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<v Speaker 2>dog shit, cheap shit cartoons.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it looks bad. Let's let's let's have fun listening

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<v Speaker 5>to this though.

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<v Speaker 2>Jumping in the first one speed.

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<v Speaker 3>Action Sawbucks looking a little chubby.

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<v Speaker 5>Woman, amazing voice acting by making Kelly dogs are supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to eat meat.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just sentence of wolves.

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<v Speaker 5>You ever see a vegan wolf on the Nature Channel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a vegan, very very funny.

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<v Speaker 5>US closers, ladies, listen up, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 10>Don't do anything stupid ear than last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a heteronormative cisgender white male.

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<v Speaker 5>For which I apologize. I'm black and that used to

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<v Speaker 5>be enough, but I'm also bilingual and a'm non binary.

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<v Speaker 6>Where the Army we drink more before nine am, the

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<v Speaker 6>Navy pukes do all day. He rubbed all the fur

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<v Speaker 6>off his emotional support far the damn thing looked.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a four legged Rosanne bar.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh God, charity and work two words that should never

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<v Speaker 7>go together, like women and opinions.

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<v Speaker 5>They're salting and make me dizzy. Or it just did

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<v Speaker 5>find a thing to fix my gaming chair.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was on the construction site, my chair was

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<v Speaker 2>a five gallon bucket.

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<v Speaker 5>It was also my toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>See, it's what's amazing about that all of the Megan

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly and can like terrible voices character to them. Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Carolla sounds like a parody of himself. He's going too

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<v Speaker 2>hard into gruff. It just it's maybe maybe if I

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<v Speaker 2>see the show, it'll be better because it may just

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<v Speaker 2>have picked some lines where he was doing that, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's not much character to his voice. What I will

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<v Speaker 2>say is I hate that he's in this. But Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Burton still a pro every man. That man can do

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<v Speaker 2>a line. Read, That man knows how to do a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking line read.

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<v Speaker 5>No, It's weird how many of these are like actual

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<v Speaker 5>comedians who have been who are being forced to read

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<v Speaker 5>like non binary and they're like, they don't know what

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<v Speaker 5>non binary means. They're just being forced to read a

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<v Speaker 5>script written by Ben Shapiro and they're like, one of

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<v Speaker 5>these words, it doesn't matter, just keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, get your paycheck. I don't know, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bummer.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I It's weird because, like Adam Carolla, I've never felt

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<v Speaker 2>anything positive towards or particularly negative towards until recently. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess now I'm on the negative side. Even with this,

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<v Speaker 2>I still feel overall good about Patrick Warburt, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just given me too much. Yeah, it'll take a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>So this this, that is most of what I wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to talk about, because the only other Daily Wire project

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<v Speaker 5>I have anything to say about is the movie that

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<v Speaker 5>came out a few months ago, Lady Ballers, and I

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<v Speaker 5>I could not, I could not fit my Lady Baller's

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<v Speaker 5>thoughts into this episode because that is that is gonna

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<v Speaker 5>be its own, its own special event.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's gonna be your Fittigan's wake.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, So a few weeks ago I watched it for

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<v Speaker 5>the first time. I took a lot of notes. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna watch it again here, and we are gonna go

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<v Speaker 5>deep into the production of this movie. This thing was shot.

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<v Speaker 5>This this just just a peak of of of of

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<v Speaker 5>of the writing quality you're you're about to hear about.

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<v Speaker 5>The whole strip is written in two weeks. It was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was shot in like a month. It's it's it

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<v Speaker 5>stars the only Daily Wire hosts. Every single actor they

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<v Speaker 5>approached for this turned it down because they're like, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Not, no, fuck this shit.

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<v Speaker 5>And it is a It is a a insightful, insightful

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<v Speaker 5>look into the soul of Jeremy Boring. He wrote, directed, produced,

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<v Speaker 5>and starred in this thing. It was shot right in Nashville, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 5>So that is gonna be after the weekend, this is

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<v Speaker 5>We're gonna have a special episode of me diving into

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<v Speaker 5>what makes Lady Baller's tick and is it any funny?

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<v Speaker 5>The answer is not really, But we will we will

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<v Speaker 5>go into the production of this movie, the way this

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<v Speaker 5>movie tries to work, and what we can learn about

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<v Speaker 5>how the Daily Wire is going to try to be

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<v Speaker 5>producing these sorts of comedy films and try to insert

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<v Speaker 5>itself into into the entertainment industry. So that will be

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<v Speaker 5>that that will be the start of next week are

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<v Speaker 5>special on Lady Ballers, any any any closing thoughts on

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<v Speaker 5>on on bent Key or or the Daily Wire plus

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<v Speaker 5>as as as as the Daily Wire enters the streaming market.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Patrick, you don't have to do this, like, just

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<v Speaker 2>just let us know you need help. We can take

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<v Speaker 2>care of you, you know, Patrick, We we love you.

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<v Speaker 5>If you need help with the mortgage, we can, we

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<v Speaker 5>can crowd fund.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we can make this work, buddy, We can make

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<v Speaker 2>this work.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway. Well, that does it for us today. I hope

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<v Speaker 5>you're reding something about Jeremy Boring the most forgettable man

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<v Speaker 5>with the most accurate name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, all right, guys. Bye, Hey, We'll be back Monday

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<v Speaker 2>with more episodes every week from now until the heat

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<v Speaker 2>death of the Universe.

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