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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 2: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions. Oh my goodness, it's

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Speaker 2: it could happen here a podcast that is about things

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Speaker 2: falling apart are Dystopian now and tomorrow, And for the

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Speaker 2: last several days has been heavily about the Consumer Electronics Show,

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Speaker 2: which is a huge event every year where one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty to one hundred and fifty thousand people flood

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Speaker 2: into Las Vegas to show off all of the new

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Speaker 2: gadgets and to have big, fancy panels on the future

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Speaker 2: of technology. And this has been a particularly good year

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Speaker 2: for the Dystopia beat. Part of that because the entire

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Speaker 2: industry is obsessed right now with artificial intelligence. Now there's

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Speaker 2: a couple reasons for this. Every laptop manufacturer is basically

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Speaker 2: throwing out laptops with AI assistance. Microsofts is copilot, and

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Speaker 2: they're doing this because laptop sales have stalled a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, Like the pandemic was great for laptop sales,

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Speaker 2: and then people stopped buying them because most people don't

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Speaker 2: need to replace their laptops very often. So there's this

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Speaker 2: desperate hope that by scaring everybody into thinking they need

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Speaker 2: raft of machines. And outside of that, it's just as

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware, with interest rates where they are, companies,

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Speaker 2: Tech companies, particularly startups, are having trouble getting VC money

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Speaker 2: fill in the gap. So today we have probably in

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Speaker 2: a week or two, we're going to have be putting

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Speaker 2: out a long investigation based on number of panels we

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Speaker 2: went to with executives from Google, from weirdly enough McDonald's,

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Speaker 2: from Adobe, from Nvidia, from the Consumer Electronics Association, in

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Speaker 2: multiple government agencies including DHS, on what they see as

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Speaker 2: the future of AI. That's going to be some pretty

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Speaker 2: in depth reporting. But today we want to talk about

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Speaker 2: the AI products that we've been seeing and as a spoiler,

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Speaker 2: they're basically all the dumbest shit you've ever heard of.

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Speaker 2: So I want to introduce our panel today, coming back

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Speaker 2: after catching a horrible, horrible lung infection, throat infection, some

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Speaker 2: kind of infection. Yeah, Garrison got strep throat and despite

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Speaker 2: the fact that we've been hanging out together, I did not,

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Speaker 2: which does prove I'm genetically superior. We also have Tavia

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Speaker 3: Hello Tavia, Howdy everybody.

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Speaker 2: And for the first time on well, no, not for

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Speaker 2: the first time, for the third time on it could

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Speaker 2: happen here, the upcoming host of the cool Zone media

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Speaker 2: tech focused show Better Offline ed zitron ed.

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Speaker 4: Well Gwan Hello, Yeah, sorry, Hi, Yeah, I hit my

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Speaker 4: head on the way and yeah.

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Speaker 5: It's a truly awful show this year.

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Speaker 4: The thing that I said to Robert yesterday when we

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Speaker 4: to me, is if you had told me this was

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, I'd have believed you. It doesn't feel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was this period of time after the iPhone

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Speaker 2: came out where every year there would be really big

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Speaker 2: But the upside of that is people are increasingly cramming

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Speaker 2: AI into insane shit in the hopes that somebody will

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Speaker 2: want to buy it. And so I want to start

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Speaker 2: off ed since you are not just our newest host,

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Speaker 2: but also a Las Vegas native, I think people could

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Speaker 2: probably assume that from your Vegas accent. Yes, natural, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: What is your favorite or the first AI product do

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about the rabbit. The rabbit are one?

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Speaker 2: Oh god? Yes.

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Speaker 4: So this thing is a square box and I can't

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Speaker 4: series of nuanced actions like you can say, get me

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Speaker 4: do not need to. This thing looks cool, and on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the design is not bad. It's like a square.

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Speaker 2: basically a seri that can use at, it can use Uber,

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Speaker 2: to it's basically pulling from a list I'm sure in

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Speaker 4: And it's just very weird because all of these tech guys,

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Speaker 4: all desperately want a machine to tell them exactly what

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Speaker 2: Pull out my phone. I'm on Uber, Yes, right, I

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Speaker 5: I mean, like, I have my phone open to signal

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Speaker 2: I also do love the idea of like completely ruining

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Speaker 2: the point of Signal, which is an encrypted, extremely secure

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Speaker 2: I don't know what your data retention policy is or

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Speaker 5: They sold out and they made two million.

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Speaker 2: Dollars, like ten million of them, some ten thousand. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: I read like eleven articles about this thing, because I

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Speaker 2: my smartphone is a part of my life. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: So I have it. This thing is number one adding

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Speaker 4: But on top of that, the thing they have failed

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the other thing is just that, like part

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Speaker 4: Except ten thousand customers is actually not that many, and

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Speaker 4: I actually look forward to I really can't wait for

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Speaker 4: what two months to pass people to get this and

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Speaker 4: someone to end up like sending the word penis to

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Speaker 4: their or company slack because they wanted to order pizza,

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Speaker 4: and on top of that, ordering a fly, ordering an Uber.

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Speaker 4: These are actually nuanced actions. Coming to Mandeley Bay toenite

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Speaker 4: Uber took me to the wrong place because it decided

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Speaker 4: it wanted to go to the convention center. I did

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Speaker 4: not select that. If you go to the airport, you

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Speaker 5: And what have you. With grabhab you need to do

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Speaker 4: It's just most people don't order lunch, they order something

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Speaker 4: for lunch, and I just don't. Ah, this whole thing

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Speaker 2: heard it? The CEO of Rabbit trying to rickroll the

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, eyes on the screen. Everybody to activate the eye,

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Speaker 5: Let me take a look. I'm never gonna give you up.

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Speaker 5: What am I getting Rick rolled in my own kenotes?

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Speaker 4: So what is the functionality he just activated? Is it

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Speaker 2: I automatically see Rick Astley and choose to play one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that seems like what happens if it sees certain people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeffrey Epstein, Yeah, what happens if it sees Jeffrey Yeah,

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Speaker 2: plays children screaming like what is wow? Is this thing work?

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Speaker 4: Booking trips to Florida?

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Speaker 2: It I maybe it's respectable that they showed how bad

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Speaker 4: And it's just also I feel for the bloke because

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Speaker 4: when you can't perform, you don't perform.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's bad delivery.

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Speaker 4: Did I just get Rick rolled in my own video?

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Speaker 4: It was like that, I forget what the movie's called.

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Speaker 2: Oh high Mark, Yeah it is, and obviously like English

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Speaker 4: Oh I tell you this from experience as I've run

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you bring in other people to do like

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Speaker 2: changed having seen that. Absolutely not Garrison has a look

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Speaker 5: No, it's just like what I've always wanted in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the dream of fucking Archimedes had.

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Speaker 2: That's right he was when he was building his laser.

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Speaker 2: some other ads.

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Speaker 5: Why are we giving free advertising to Disney? Why are we.

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 2: Because that movie was so close to being worth it

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Speaker 2: that last twenty minutes.

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Speaker 5: They fully committed, They fully get it.

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Speaker 2: No Nazis machine gunning Roman Legion.

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Speaker 5: Pretty funny, It's pretty funny. Well, do you know who

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Speaker 5: would have loved cees our our comedian is probably yes,

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Speaker 5: What what next AI product do we want to talk about?

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Speaker 5: How about the pet one Garrison?

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Speaker 2: You saw that?

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Speaker 5: All right? So I think I think I think me

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Speaker 5: and Ed both saw chat GPT for animals. Yeah damn,

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Speaker 5: which is not really what it is saying. It's like

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Speaker 5: It's based on that picture. It's it's it's You're not

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Speaker 4: It was every CES I see something that begins to

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Speaker 4: like could you just like start like glitching out? And

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Speaker 2: See there's a fun product in here, which is you

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Speaker 5: That would be so cool.

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Speaker 2: You can have their like, yeah, your cat's racist, now

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Speaker 5: The perfect product for HB. Love Craft. I would have

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Speaker 4: No if you gave me like the show light to me,

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Speaker 2: Will get I wouldn't pay like average West Coast rent

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Speaker 4: caliphate according to the app. I don't know what this

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Speaker 5: I don't know why I need it so because so

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Speaker 2: Chat GPT of antibiotics.

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Speaker 4: rita's a cool in and say what that is?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks just like that. It has relaxed stick

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Speaker 2: Now I respect that. I respect that. That's a baller

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Speaker 5: Again, this is this is for a speaker company like.

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Speaker 5: No, it's just home theater speakers.

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Speaker 2: It just have a horrible AI generated woman as their spokesperson.

442
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Speaker 3: I mean I would buy it if it was DJ Girlfriend. Though.

443
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Speaker 2: DJ Girlfriend is a great idea for a product and

444
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Speaker 2: might stop several.

445
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Speaker 5: AI has brought back sexism.

446
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Speaker 2: If you do DJ Girlfriend right, you could stop at

447
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Speaker 2: least one mass shooting.

448
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 3: Finally, we have a real solution now.

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Speaker 5: Another product that won the CEES twenty twenty four Innovation

450
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Speaker 5: Awards is an AI powered coffee brewer and grinder system.

451
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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna read the description from the coffee's been missing,

452
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Speaker 5: that's right.

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Speaker 2: I know.

454
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 5: We wake up every morning make our little French press coffee.

455
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Speaker 5: That's fine, But you know what could be better? An

456
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Speaker 5: AI system that does it for you. I'm gonna read

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Speaker 5: the award the award description for this product. Okay, introducing

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Speaker 5: Barista Brew Coffee Brewer and Grinder System, a smart coffee

459
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Speaker 5: system that tailors your brew to perfection with AI guided personalization.

460
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 5: Easily adjust brewing parameters for a custom cup. New expertise needed,

461
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Speaker 5: rate to track and refine your bruise brew iq AI

462
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 5: suggestions for your ideal taste, simplify with one touch favorites,

463
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Speaker 5: elevate your coffee experience.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I hear all that. The one thing I

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Speaker 4: think is simplify. That's that's simple. The Movie's Spacies, by

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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 5: I love that movie. One of one of the best

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Speaker 5: hr Geiger art utilizations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and easily the horniest movie of the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 5: Which is Lot of which is which is a high

471
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Speaker 5: high bar. So on on. On this AI coffee maker.

472
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 5: On the front, there's a little control panel with nine

473
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Speaker 5: different settings that you can you can change because they're

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Speaker 5: all on a graph. We have we have citrus, spice, nutty, fruity, balanced, cocoa, floral, herbal,

475
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Speaker 5: and honey, so you can you can with your with

476
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Speaker 5: the with the ease of a touchpad, start to customize

477
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Speaker 5: your own AI coffee, so that that is revolutionary. I'm

478
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Speaker 5: going to be getting one for Robert this Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Garrison. I know I've always thought, you know,

480
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Speaker 2: what I hate is the experience of uh, of exploring

481
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Speaker 2: new flavors on my own and and learning new ways

482
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Speaker 2: of brewing coffee, a beverage I consume every day. So

483
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to be handing that whole experience off to

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Speaker 2: a machine.

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Speaker 5: That's right, and I know a lot of people used Tavia.

486
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Speaker 2: Just brought something up that I think is relevant here.

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Speaker 3: It's a Guardian article about an AI smoothie shop that

488
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Speaker 3: opened in San Francisco well before a ce S. That

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Speaker 3: is a combination of it's being driven forward with AI

490
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: technology as well as five G stuff that I think

491
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Speaker 3: had opened up and then like three weeks later had

492
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Speaker 3: shut down.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's they were like, a robot will pick the

494
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Speaker 2: perfect smoothie for you.

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Speaker 4: Well, I actually want to bring I want to bring

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Speaker 4: something up. So I love smoking me. I have pellet

497
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Speaker 4: smokers at home, and I saw a few times on

498
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Speaker 4: this show AI grills and I just looked up one

499
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Speaker 4: called a brisk It smart grill, and I was like,

500
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Speaker 4: how could you possibly make a thing which is basically

501
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Speaker 4: maintaining hot air in a tube long enough until the

502
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Speaker 4: food's done? And what it is is it has a

503
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Speaker 4: thing You can ask the grill what seasoning should I

504
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Speaker 4: add to make my chicken skew a spicy or how

505
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Speaker 4: do I see a medium rest eight? I don't fucking know.

506
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Speaker 4: Why don't you learn to cook?

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Speaker 5: You twat?

508
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Speaker 2: It's just like.

509
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Speaker 4: The enjoyable part of cooking is the experimentation and learning taste.

510
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Speaker 4: But no, thank you, just like that goddamn coffee thing. Oh,

511
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Speaker 4: I don't want to learn anything. I don't want to

512
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Speaker 4: have a human experience.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing with a lot of these AI solutions,

514
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Speaker 3: will call them, is I feel like they're robbing people

515
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Speaker 3: of real experiences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for like no, been Like there's some stuff that like,

517
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Speaker 2: you know, the ability of a smartphone to once you

518
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: had to be like in a building in order to

519
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Speaker 2: like access a phone or like use a payphone. Now

520
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: you can connect with people everywhere. That's that's a clear benefit, right.

521
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Speaker 2: There's downsides to it, obviously, but it's a clear benefit,

522
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Speaker 2: but like, now you don't have to learn. Now, now

523
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Speaker 2: you don't have to cook. You can let a robot

524
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Speaker 2: do it for you. It's like, well, but why cooking

525
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Speaker 2: is pleasurable? And if I don't want to cook, I

526
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Speaker 2: will go to a restaurant or order food, and it's

527
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Speaker 2: cheaper than buying several thousand dollars AI device.

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Speaker 5: I mean, some things are hard to learn, which brings

529
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Speaker 5: me to the next product that's smoking me. But had

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Speaker 5: kind of like like, uh, like parenting, right.

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Speaker 2: So good, okay, nice, you know what, Garrison, I'm proud

532
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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 5: That was a good sex way so AI parenting, especially

534
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Speaker 5: with your infant child. This was also in the CEES

535
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Speaker 5: Awards section, so you know it's gonna be legit. I

536
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 5: was able to see an demonstration of an AI baby

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Speaker 5: crib that will shake your baby up and down based

538
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Speaker 5: on facial expression analysis done by an AI, and yeah,

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00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna show a show it here. So here is

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Speaker 5: here's the cutting edge facial expressions we have anger discussed fear, happiness, sadness,

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Speaker 5: and surprise, and that basically that data will go into

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Speaker 5: this little crib which will start shaking and moving up

543
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Speaker 5: and down. Based on what they scan on your baby's face.

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Speaker 4: So to be clear, there is a protocole, yes, snow

545
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Speaker 4: that exists where drop my phone. There there's a protut

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Speaker 4: called the snow which is like a for infants and

547
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Speaker 4: it notices when they're fussing and it kind of like

548
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Speaker 4: lightly rocks them.

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Speaker 5: But the way it rocks them is so very light.

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Speaker 4: It is very much a This is this is what

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Speaker 4: a mother would do with a brand new baby biked.

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Speaker 5: You don't want to move into much.

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Speaker 4: That one has like six pictures from the intro of

554
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 4: light to me and a hot rate monitor. It's like, yeah,

555
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: hand over your baby to AI.

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Speaker 3: Great, Yeah, this product looks like a baby Morocca. The

557
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: pace that you shake in it, which is dependent on

558
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Speaker 3: what pretty much you make pretty much well.

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Speaker 2: I love it also because like a real scandal I

560
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: think from the I think it was in the eighties,

561
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: is like Nanny's shaking babies to death. Like the idea

562
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Speaker 2: that like again a machine that can only go at

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Speaker 2: a certain pace that's very light. You know, I get

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Speaker 2: that's a labor staate, especially for like a single parent

565
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: or whatnot. Like you know, some some people will need that,

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Speaker 2: But I just worry. I worry that we're not all

567
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Speaker 2: that far from our first and AI killed my baby.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think I think that I think the

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Speaker 5: real beauty of this product is usually when you have

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Speaker 5: a newber, maybe you have to like watch it all

571
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Speaker 5: nightcs it'll wake up, you have to like pick it up,

572
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 5: pat it, make sure it gets back to sleep. You

573
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 5: can just leave that baby in the bed. You can

574
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 5: you can like go to the club, just leave the

575
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Speaker 5: baby in the bed. If it starts crying, don't worry.

576
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: The AI will take the will take over.

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Speaker 2: We are on the verge of beds that can raise

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Speaker 2: our children, just like the Venture Brothers.

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Speaker 5: That's right, and and those and those kids turned out fine,

580
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: they turned out great, perfectly. But I think luckily luckily

581
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 5: for you, because I know none of us are babies anymore.

582
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 5: But we are all, you know, eventually going to get old, hopefully, hopefully,

583
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 5: and there is air products that will also assist us

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Speaker 5: as we get older, using the same AI baby tech. Here.

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Speaker 5: One of the one of the one of the places

586
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Speaker 5: that me and Robert stopped by was called Blue Sky AI.

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Speaker 5: It's spelled ridiculously offensively, and they refused to do an

588
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 5: interview they were not happy, but I was able to

589
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 5: get a pamphlet and they have an AI that I

590
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Speaker 5: think they're mostly targeted to get at like older people.

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00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 5: But quote, by comparing the way your facial and vocal

592
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: behavior changes over time, using your facial expressions, facial muscle actions,

593
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: as well as where you are looking, your body pose,

594
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 5: and the tone of your voice, we have the potential

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Speaker 5: to identify and monitor all kinds of medical conditions that

596
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 5: manifest in the face or voice. So it's it's a

597
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 5: facial scanning and voice scanning that uses AI to try

598
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 5: to diagnose you with medical conditions specific specifically, the guy

599
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 5: told us that it's it's useful for Alzheimer's. Then he

600
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 5: realized we were journalists and the nassis to go away.

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Speaker 2: And also, but yeah, that's how you know you've got

602
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Speaker 2: a good medical.

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Speaker 5: Device, a good product. At CES blue Sky uses a

604
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Speaker 5: continuous approach apparent valiance and arousal to measure to measure

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00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: expressed emotion. This better fits the real human experience of

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00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 5: emotional states. This approach allows emotion regions to be defined

607
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 5: and to measure the transitions away from and towards these regions.

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00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: This continuous approach where appropriate can be mapped back to

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00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 5: a much less exact categorical representation, for example, excited, calm

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Speaker 5: or angry.

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Speaker 3: Did they have horny?

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Speaker 5: They do not have horny, not that I can see.

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Speaker 2: Look, if you know old people, one thing they never

614
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: stop doing is funny.

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Speaker 5: Now they do have a list of all human emotions

616
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Speaker 5: here that turn it on a map. Finally that using AI,

617
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 5: we can finally figure out what emotions you're feeling based

618
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 5: on your face. So you can use this just with

619
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Speaker 5: your with your phone camera, with your with your iPad camera.

620
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Speaker 5: They do data collection, data analysis. One of the weird

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Speaker 5: use cases that we saw was, I know we saw

622
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Speaker 5: something similar to this already, but just scanning your face

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Speaker 5: when driving to tell you how you're feeling, which is

624
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Speaker 5: just quite funny.

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Speaker 2: It's a I could talk about that a second. What

626
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Speaker 2: this reminds me of there was a product a few

627
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: years ago. It was like a robot for the military,

628
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: and the idea was this robot can run in dangerous

629
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Speaker 2: situations and pickup troops that have been injured and run

630
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Speaker 2: them out, which is probably a thing that will exist

631
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: at some point and might even save lives. Right, I

632
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: can see how that would be a useful thing, and

633
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: the military can be very dangerous to retrieve people. Much

634
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 2: better for a robot to get shot or blown up

635
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: in that situation than another person. But to try and

636
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: comfort the soldiers, they gave the robot the head of

637
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: a teddy Bear, like a metal teddy Bear head. It

638
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: looked like a fucking nightmare. It's just like, what, what

639
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: do you think did you talk to There's all sorts

640
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: of guys who have been shot in combat. Did you

641
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: talk to one of them? Did you go with the

642
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: experience of having your arm blown off? Corporal have been

643
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: more pleasurable if a giant metal teddy Bear entered.

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Speaker 4: So my first job was working on the characters and

645
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: twisted metal, but then I moved into robotics. It's so

646
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Speaker 4: cool that how many of these products are very clearly made, funded, prototyped,

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Speaker 4: r and D, hired PR teams. Everyone's done these big

648
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: presentations without talking to a single fucking human being.

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Speaker 2: It's so cool.

650
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: It's so cool how much waste there is at this

651
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: shoh where not a single human soul there is a

652
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: completely different subject. There was like an AI powered nail

653
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: saw on thing as well. I saw, and I'm like

654
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: That's definitely one where you didn't talk to talk to

655
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: any woman though, because first and foremost in my experience,

656
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: a lot of women are scared of a new nail

657
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 4: place for fucking up their hands. So are they going

658
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Speaker 4: to spend eight hundred goddamn dollars on this thing to

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Speaker 4: maybe get burnt? And I saw in this article about

660
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: it just now that their thing they said was, oh, yeah,

661
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: it's like an espresso at home. I've had an espressos

662
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 4: break multiple times, and I realized it may sound weird.

663
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: How can you break an espresso? I'm just built different.

664
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: But if I can break it in just like me.

665
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: And strep throat, unbelievable.

666
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 5: So I do have one more product. And then I'm and.

667
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Well, first, Garrison, I know you have one more product,

668
00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: but we also have one more ad break. Ah, we're back, Garrison,

669
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: what's your next product?

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00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 5: So we already talked about the handy, which is you know,

671
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: I sure did, which is bye. By all accounts, actually

672
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 5: like works as intended.

673
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: It's a good product. The people, the PR people, and

674
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: we talked to the CEO. We're not just knowledgeable, but

675
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: like remarkably good at keeping a straight face while talking

676
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: about their jack Well, that's professionalism. You have to respect it.

677
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: Honestly, that was the most professional booth I saw the

678
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: entirety of ces. They were really on point.

679
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: If you are looking for a jack off machine, I

680
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: can't recommend anything more highly.

681
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 5: Well, Robert, except for our next product, which is an

682
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 5: AI power to jack off machine. Thank god. So this

683
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 5: is called my Hixel. It is the first it's the

684
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 5: first app.

685
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: That's an appealing names that's a name that sounds like sex.

686
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 5: It is the first app for climax Control to incorporate AI.

687
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 5: Now I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna read through.

688
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 3: There really redefines edge technology. Huh.

689
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: I want to make a note before you get into it.

690
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: The thing that they're claiming this is useful for there

691
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: are devices for and it is a real use case,

692
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: which is that like, premature ejaculation is a serious problem

693
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: for a lot of men. It's like it's like a

694
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 2: quality of life issue, right, Like it stops people from

695
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: feeling confident. It's a serious problem. There are prosthetic devices

696
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: people can use to train themselves. That's fine, they already exist.

697
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 2: This is basically like what if an AI could teach

698
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: you how to come slower.

699
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 5: Yes, and we have a six step layout here describing

700
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 5: why why my Hixel is right for you. For the

701
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: first step is secure and anonymonized data collection, so you

702
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 5: can get O good all of your coming data stored,

703
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: but don't worry, it's secure.

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00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 7: See.

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00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: My first question to that is why is data on

706
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: me masturbating being collected at all?

707
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 5: Well, it could be because they're putting it towards an

708
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 5: eight week training program.

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00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: No, So, first and foremost, one of the first things

710
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 4: on the website for this is just the words happy

711
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: sex here save sixty dollars and my Hixel control. But

712
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: happy sex here is going to be something I think

713
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: about for a while. But also it says it has

714
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: my Hixel care and my Hixel control, two different things,

715
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 4: and then my hicksl Academy and sadly you can't click

716
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: on that because I've never wanted to know more about

717
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 4: how much material could there be unless.

718
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: A masturbation academy.

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00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they just called that eton. I was

720
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: a British public school joke.

721
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 3: It's okay, I made an edging joke earlier and nobody

722
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: caught it.

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00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I there's one thing in the eating boys do

724
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: and they don't have sex.

725
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: No masturbation. Yeah sorry. Part of what I hate about

726
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: this is its name is so clearly like trying to

727
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: be respectful and like respectable and tech product name as

728
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: opposed to like one of the things that I respect

729
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: about the Handy people is they just went ahead and

730
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: called it handy.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's weird because like some of their some

732
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 5: of their free merchere were labeled with stuff like download

733
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 5: the app to control your loads, we bring the game,

734
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 5: you bring the joystick. The first day you went for

735
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 5: a run, you couldn't last more than three minutes either.

736
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 5: So it's weird how they Yeah, I had this very

737
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 5: like sanitized branding except for their like free merch but

738
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 5: yeah it has. It has Bluetooth connection, interactive and personalized settings.

739
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 5: You can monitor your user evolution, and it is it

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00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 5: is marked as a medical device. But on on their

741
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 5: brochure there's just two really really good sentences. There's video

742
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 5: feedback from our sexual health professionals, so after you come,

743
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 5: you can get on a video chat and talk about that.

744
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 5: We go there, we go looking good.

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00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: It's the load talking ad on.

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00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: I'd love to be one of those people. As a

747
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: guy man three minutes. You can do better than that.

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00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 4: Come on, they Are you meant to encourage them?

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00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?

750
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: Are you meant to commiserate with them?

751
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? What is the call here?

752
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: But also I cannot think of a single person i'd

754
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: want to talk about that with.

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00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just imagining like the guy in the other

756
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: and be like no, no, no, zoom me the camera a

757
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: little more. I want to see those ropes. No, that's

758
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: not bad, that's not bad. Good consistency.

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00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: Okay, let's move that over. Let's see his O face again.

760
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: Wow, you play that, my friend? That your load management

761
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 4: is very consistent.

762
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 5: And I think I think we're really missing is how

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00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 5: much how much AI will assist in this because they

764
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: claim that using cutting edge technology? Eh eh my hixel

765
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 5: Control is the first solution to include AI and machine

766
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 5: learning for climax control treatment, which is just really really reassuring.

767
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 5: So yeah, it basically looks like a flashlight that connects

768
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 5: to your phone and it's an act app with anatomical

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00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: realistic interior design and AI and secured it and and

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00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 5: adanemonized data.

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Speaker 3: I think this is really going to open up some

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00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 3: avenues for sex workers.

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00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, hope, hopefully hopefully Tafia.

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00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: It's It's also like the design the handy is very

775
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: clearly a robot. You stick your dick inside and it

776
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: jacks you off. This looks like a flesh light except

777
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 2: the back and like the front end that we unscrewed

778
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: the top and it's like a fake vagina looks like

779
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: a fleshlight. The back end looks like an incense diffuser,

780
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: like like someone decided these two products needed to be

781
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: like what if you could fuck your you're aromatherapy bot.

782
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: Finally, so that that is that is most of the

783
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 5: the the just the groundbreaking AI products that I was

784
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 5: able to see today. Does anyone else have any AI

785
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 5: products they would love to talk about?

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00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: It's time to talk about Ganerd. I Okayerts, you want

787
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: to start us off about Ganert.

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00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess We attended a panel. Which panel was it, y'all?

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00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 7: That was the DHSA AI pie that was that was

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00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 7: the AI panel with one of the heads of the

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00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 7: Department of Homeland Security, who I can confirm because he

792
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 7: turned around to take a selfie has a Hank Hill ass.

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00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: He was very insistent on that.

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00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: No, but absolutely no. But and I'm saying this not

795
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: to shame him, but because there are orthotics for that,

796
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: you can get help, sir.

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00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: That's even a whole episode of King of the Hill,

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00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: one of the better episodes good times. So ganert Ai

799
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 3: was announced before this talk that we had, and it

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00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: was a I think the guy announcing both this this

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00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: event as well as the panel had taken some time

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00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: to really focus on the fact that this was his

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00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: quote unquote opis.

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00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 5: His His opis opus. He said the word opis like

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00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 5: five times Ganert's what I'll be remembered by.

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00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: This is my legacy. Yeah, and then I guess two

807
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: of the designers had come up who stuck out like

808
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: a sore thumb compared to the sea of khaki and

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00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: blazers and things like that.

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00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they had clearly never ordered a drone strike,

811
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: unlike our hero at Homelands Security.

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00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: One of them had a wide brimmed hat that was

813
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 5: color matched to the Ganert logo, which is pretty cool.

814
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 5: What does Genert stand for? Ganert stands for generate, so

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00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 5: I think it's actually just called it generate. They just

816
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 5: took out the vowels. But this is going to be

817
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 5: a three day event or a conference held in Arlington, Virginia.

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00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 5: They're claiming that it's gonna have like two hundred speakers,

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00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty AI sessions, more than five hundred startups,

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00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty partners, one hundred investors, and around

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00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: five thousand attendees. They're trying to target enterprise, governments, platforms,

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00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 5: AI tools, AI builders, services, investors, startups, and media that

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00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 5: it's it's these three events held simultaneously. Ones just called

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00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 5: GOODERT or Generation AI, which is about just AI AI tech.

825
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 5: It's about like AI companies, classes, keynotes, funding, blah blah

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00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. There is then Voice and AI which

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00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 5: is about AI language services. And there's also one for

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00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 5: gov AI, which is about public sector and how the

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00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 5: government's gonna start integrating AI or regulating AI. And they

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00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 5: also have one for coding called code Forward, and it's

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00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 5: it's about where we can't just play the opening video

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00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 5: because opening video had.

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00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: No voice here, but there's yeah, there's no voice, I

834
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: can read it though. Ninety seven million new jobs in AI,

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00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: five hundred billion in annual AI spend by twenty twenty seven,

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00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty billion in VC.

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Speaker 5: Funding by twenty twenty five. Gonert generate for a new

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00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 5: world in a new market Goodert connects.

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00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: And forms, elevates and inspires.

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00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 5: It all happens at words, and we cannot emphasize it.

841
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 5: Of how they hyped up vc cash. There was, there

842
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 5: was so much build up for vc cash.

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00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 2: I have I have watched people who are dope sick

844
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: by Heroin with less jittery excitement in their hands and eyes.

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00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 5: All right, So not a bit about shit like this.

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00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 4: So I just did a brief cursory look up gener

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00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: and it's and it's it's connected Confidence Voice I and

848
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: gov and code Forward, and all of them are claiming

849
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: the following. They're featuring GitHub, Microsoft, open Ai, Codium tab nine.

850
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 4: Their thing on LinkedIn has twenty eight followers, and their

851
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: engagement is like when I post the word twitter on Twitter,

852
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 4: it's not very good at all. I can get more

853
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: on that doing any punch picture of my asshole and

854
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 4: get more than that. But also I cannot find a

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00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 4: single person claiming to attend this, despite them claiming two

856
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 4: hundred buspeakers, one hundred and fifty plus sessions, five hundred stars,

857
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty part one hundred investors, five thousand attendees.

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00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: I can't find a single bit of evidence that anyone

859
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 4: is ganerting around at all. And also they claim to

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00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: have three different conferences, Code Forward, gove Ai, Voice Ai,

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00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 4: and of course connert Ai and I and of course

862
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: all of these are part of the ganert Ai beta experience.

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00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 5: I don't know why you put beta.

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00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 2: People are beta as hell.

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00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 5: But also why have you got beta on a conference?

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00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 5: What are you doing? But also.

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00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: Featuring open AI and video, Microsoft Google and veritoon. I'm

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00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: gonna guess that they've got like chat, GPT, open on

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00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 4: a computer, an nvideo pro GPU and something Microsoft Word

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00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: and they've used Google. And it's very strange because I

871
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: don't know what this thing.

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00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: Is, you know. I think what it is is some

873
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: guys who have a degree of like nay like like

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00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: some guys who are are hoping that they don't have

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00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: any actual ideas for it to do with AI, so

876
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: they're hoping that if they create a conference and make

877
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: that be like the cees of AI, they can kind

878
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: of force a place for themselves and also attract a

879
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: bunch of suction up a bunch of money.

880
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 4: I also found some I found some of the speakers

881
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 4: You've got a fellow called Adam Goldberg, who's an account

882
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 4: director and head of Azure Open Ai Enablement. On the

883
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: go to market team open Ai. They found a sales

884
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 4: guy from open ai and then said they got someone

885
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 4: from open Ai. They got someone from JP Morgan Chile's

886
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: data and AI design.

887
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 5: These are all fake jobs. These aren't real jobs.

888
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: And I think that these conferences are amazing as well,

889
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: because all people do at them is they go they

890
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: watch these things where people go up on stage and go,

891
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 4: you know, generative AI is going to create maybe even

892
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 4: trillions of dollars of value at some point, and you know,

893
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: the synergy between generative AI and data collection but also

894
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 4: data silos is going to be truly, truly innovative. And

895
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: everyone's like, holy fucking shit, whoa holy shit piss and

896
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: then they all post on Twitter and they will forget

897
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: it ever happened immediately.

898
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, we call that the dividend.

899
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 5: We do call that the g dividend. So Gert's being

900
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 5: put on by this guy who runs this like panel

901
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: collection called Brands gpt at ces with a Z.

902
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: No, it's not no Garrison Garrison with a Z.

903
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 5: It should it should be. I think me and Robert

904
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: both went to like one or two of these brands

905
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 5: GPT panels. This is the one where Robert got to

906
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: yell at Google and Microsoft and get them mad.

907
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: No, Google and McDonald's. Mc donald's is ahead of AI,

908
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: which is a thing.

909
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 5: So they look to basically just focus on like convention programming.

910
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 5: So now they're trying to put on their own convention

911
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 5: that they're calling Ganert instead of just running this brand's

912
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 5: GPT at CES. So that's that's the background. It's it's

913
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 5: done by Mode V events. That's Mode and the letter V,

914
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 5: but one word that's like the parent company for this.

915
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: I'll be interested once we get closer to October. I'll

916
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 5: be interested to see if this is looking more like

917
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 5: a real event. It's it's not gonna be that far

918
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 5: for me to travel. But no, they're promising five hundred

919
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 5: billion dollars in annual AI spending with two hundred and

920
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 5: fifty billion new VC cash investments, which is which is

921
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 5: quite promising.

922
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so hopefully this beta test goes like the last

923
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: video game beta test that I went to and everybody

924
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: clips through the floor and disappears into a void. Well,

925
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna do it for us in this episode,

926
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 2: and I want to leave you all with well, before

927
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: we've got one more thing. But before we get into that,

928
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 2: which which will be fun, I want to talk about

929
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: something sobering, which is that, as you may get from this,

930
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: nearly one hundred percent of the AI use cases that

931
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: we saw presented were either nonsense or incredibly vague. At

932
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: these different where you had people from like in Nvidia

933
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: and Adobe and whatnot that like they wouldn't say, like,

934
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: we're going to use AI for this specific task. They

935
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: would say we're going to use AI to get more nimble,

936
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: which I think means firing people, you know. Outside of that,

937
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: the only real specific use cases that were not clearly nonsense.

938
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: We're stuff like replacing you know, customer service workers with chatbots,

939
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: which is bad, and to be fair, some also really

940
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: good stuff like that telescope that used kind of machine

941
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: learning in order to like clean up images so that

942
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: you can get better, better images and whatnot when you're

943
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: in an area with a lot of light pollution. There

944
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: was some stuff like that, but usually very vague. The

945
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: use cases for AI was always extremely clear were the

946
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: harms and the very first panel we attended there's a

947
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: company called Deloitte. They're a huge consulting firm. If you

948
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: know about McKenzie, because they're currently somewhat rightfully so a

949
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: bit of a bugbear on the left. Deloitte is a

950
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: similar kind of organization, right I think they're a bit

951
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: less toxic, but to a marginal degree. They're like a

952
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: massive consulting firm. Companies bring them in in order to

953
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: help them streamline and make processes more efficient in stuff.

954
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: And one of their people said that according to their

955
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: internal metrics, they expected half a trillion dollars in fraud

956
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: this year in one year due just to voice cloning AI.

957
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: And that was a more specific statement of what AI

958
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: is going to do to change people's lives than absolutely

959
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: any positive use case I heard presented at this comfence.

960
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: Could you like explain what you mean by voice cloning

961
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 5: so AI.

962
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: You know, we did a couple of Bastards episodes talking

963
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: about scams and like how they've contributed to the decline

964
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: of trust in our society. One of the things that

965
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: is in the last year or so become a massive

966
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: problem is there are now AI things that can generate

967
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: a human voice near perfectly to the point where, especially

968
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 2: if it is a voice of say your kid calls

969
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: you and they're telling you that they have been fucking

970
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: kidnapped or you know, something else has happened and they

971
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: need you to wire the money desperately, and you send

972
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: them the money, it's a fucking scam, right. That is.

973
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: We have a person from Deloitte, and I think it

974
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: was a person from Adobe say that they had been

975
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 2: called by a colleague who had gotten like a call

976
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: thinking it was that seemed to be them asking them

977
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: to buy a bunch of Apple gift cards. Like sit

978
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: like this is extreme and it's only going to get

979
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: more common. You can automate to the writing of the

980
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: scams and the sending of the scams using these AI tools,

981
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: and that is absolutely, in my opinion, much more of

982
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: a direct way in which AI is going to affect

983
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: people than any single product or even cumulatively, all of

984
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 2: the AI products we saw at CE.

985
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 5: All that uplifting note.

986
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's a bummer, and well, we will

987
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: be going into more depth about that, but I wanted

988
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: to end. Tavia took notes at all of the buzzwords,

989
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: particularly the AI buzzwords that we heard during the convention,

990
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: and she's going to read that to us.

991
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 5: Now.

992
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: You gotta tell you, this list is incredible. I've worked

993
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: in and out of corporate America, and much like a cult,

994
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 3: they have their own internal vocabulary that they use, and

995
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: this convention we went to was just filthy with these buzzwords.

996
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: So I'm just going to dig in. The ones that

997
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: I've written down are double down. Love that one. That

998
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: one comes up a lot. Versioning, versioning, version ing, which

999
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: is like a legitimate term in software, but I was

1000
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: hearing it used in places where it didn't make much

1001
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 3: sense to do it. Then our favorite liar's.

1002
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 5: Dividend by far the best term that we've heard at

1003
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 5: the conference, so flexible.

1004
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm using versions of that and everything. You know,

1005
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: it makes me think a lot about the murderer's dividend,

1006
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: which is when you know, I longer I have to

1007
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: deal with an annoying person.

1008
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: We got content credential, which is coming up a lot,

1009
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 3: especially around the topic of AI. We have data rich

1010
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: and it's sister term problem rich, core values, which I

1011
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: heard in every single panel that we were in.

1012
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Usually the context of this was we don't need

1013
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: regulations around how AI can be made and put together.

1014
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: The core values of the companies is what will make

1015
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: sure that AI isn't used in a harmful way?

1016
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: Great, that's that's gonna happen.

1017
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 3: No, very trustworthy, very trustworthy groups, got risk model. And

1018
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: then my next term is the favorite one. It's so good.

1019
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna give this one to you, Robert.

1020
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't think we talked about this. Guardian

1021
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 2: MM or something like that was then is MM guardian

1022
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 2: MM Guardian? Which is an app you put on It's

1023
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: not it used to be an app. Now it is

1024
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 2: a phone you buy for your child. It's a modified

1025
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: Samsung Galaxy something or other.

1026
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 5: That it's not ax No.

1027
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 4: Seven.

1028
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: It gives your It gives you, as the parent, complete

1029
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: access to your kid's phone and everything they're doing. And

1030
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: it automatically monitors monitors all of their not just their conversations,

1031
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: but their browsing history, and sends you alerts. So like,

1032
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: if someone sends your kid a text that says you

1033
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: should kys you know, kill yourself. This is the example

1034
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 2: he showed us. You get a message that like there's

1035
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: this suicidal discussion or whatnot going on, we ask them,

1036
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, hey, Garrison particularly was like, what if this

1037
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: is a situation where a parent is abusive and like

1038
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: using this in order to keep tabs on their kids

1039
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: or like hates you know, is like a child is

1040
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: gay or trans and their parents are not accepting of that.

1041
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: Like does this still can parents still like spy on

1042
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: them over that stuff? Are there any limitations? Are there

1043
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: any sort of safeguards built in in case a parent

1044
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: is being abusive, right to like monitor or sind to

1045
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: the authorities of a parent is using this in an

1046
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: abusive way? And their answer was no, We're purely about

1047
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: giving parents more power. And yeah, the term that they

1048
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: used was tech contracts with children.

1049
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 3: I can't think of anything more dismal.

1050
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is one of the most dystopian assemblies of

1051
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 2: words I've ever heard.

1052
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 5: Should you should you should never say the phrase contracts

1053
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 5: with children. That's just that's just like, if you find

1054
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 5: your self ever ever hearing the phrase contracts with children

1055
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 5: spoken by anyone, run away for that person as fast

1056
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 5: as you can, maybe maybe maybe punch them in the

1057
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 5: face first, and then run away as fast as you can.

1058
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: So that's a good one.

1059
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: That's that's some shit you just keep in Florida, I

1060
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 4: guess now or Indiana.

1061
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: It's a super Florida app that is that is the

1062
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: center of this business.

1063
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: Moving on, We've got other terms called visionary and thought leaders,

1064
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 3: which comes up a lot in these types.

1065
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: Of I mean the pr ship people love saying thought leader.

1066
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 5: I love it thing, do eat it up.

1067
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: We also have edge computing, I know.

1068
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 2: Digital Yeah again handy, great company.

1069
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 3: Incredible company, very very excellent product. We have digital twin

1070
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 3: horizon scin.

1071
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 4: So digital twin's really good because it means like eight

1072
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: different things. It can mean literally a copy of something,

1073
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: or it can mean a digital version of something. It

1074
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: can mean like a of US thing. And these are

1075
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: old different industries using it, and no one can agree

1076
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: on the meaning.

1077
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just tradition. That's just like what they do.

1078
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: They have horizon scan. I actually kind of liked that one.

1079
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: Was the first time I heard that one. When they're

1080
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: just like looking into the future, I think they're calling

1081
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: that horizon scan use case, which came up a lot

1082
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: because everyone was groping for use cases for their technology

1083
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 3: and didn't seem to have any that they could bring up.

1084
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 5: The next one I heard way more than I wanted

1085
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 5: to hear which was accelerate. Yeahs always a great term

1086
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 5: to hear in tech. There was so much accelerate and

1087
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 5: accelerating relating to their tech development and their tech use

1088
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 5: cases for another one of those terms that Tavia just

1089
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 5: read off.

1090
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: Now, this next term is a real thing and an

1091
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: important thing, and not a thing that anyone in the

1092
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Speaker 2: tech industry wants or cares about. The right to be forgotten.

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Speaker 2: This has actually been legislated. The reason they have to

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Speaker 2: care about this to some extent is it's been legislat

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Speaker 2: in the EU right, and it should be everywhere. I

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Speaker 2: actually think this is an incredibly important concept, and it's

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Speaker 2: basically the you know, we have people go viral that

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00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: become a main character on whatever app for being a

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00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: piece of shit sometimes or sometimes doing something stupid or

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Speaker 2: sometimes doing something innocuous that for no reason at all

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Speaker 2: makes a huge number.

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Speaker 5: He's actually a really good example.

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Speaker 4: There was a kid who posted a video of himself

1104
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 4: and it was like four point o GPA had a job,

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00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 4: braised money didn't get into Harvard or something. He didn't

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00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 4: mean it in this way, but someone took it and

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00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 4: then turned it into ay, why kids are being kept

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Speaker 4: off Harvard thing? And he dm them was like, you're

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00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 4: ruining my fucking life. Yeah, this is how this, like

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Speaker 4: the right to be forgotten should be everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is not. It is a hugely important thing. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I actually give the EU a lot of

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00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: credit for the fact that that has to some extent

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Speaker 2: been legislated. All of that needs to be more common

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Speaker 2: in other countries and more vigorously enforced. I don't I

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Speaker 2: say that I have no idea how you do it

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Speaker 2: with the internet working the way it does. Some of this,

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Speaker 2: I actually do think is a values thing where we

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00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: all need to be more okay with the fact that people,

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Speaker 2: even people who can do something shitty online, deserve to

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Speaker 2: not have that necessarily define the rest of their lives,

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Speaker 2: especially you know, teenagers.

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Speaker 4: And the next one is one that I like to

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00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 4: associate with my posts, data poisoning. I believe every time

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Speaker 4: I interact with Twitter or blue Sky, that is what

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Speaker 4: I am doing. I have some data poisoning death, or

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00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 4: I am data poisoning as a verb, or I am

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Speaker 4: data poisoning myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we've got oh, Garrison, you want to

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Speaker 2: do this one?

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Speaker 5: Sure? These These are the last three that I got

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Speaker 5: from an AI Ethics Panel. We have data silos, how

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00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: data is all separated. We have data harmonization, kind of

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Speaker 5: the opposite of data silos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically using AI to generate pictures of dan

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Speaker 2: harmon Right.

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Speaker 5: Yes, then we have the last term, which I will

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Speaker 5: I will describe for you the speed capacity gap. So

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Speaker 5: the speed capacity gap.

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Speaker 2: I know I can answer that for you. So sometimes

1141
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: when I'm doing a shitload of amphetamines that I purchased

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Speaker 2: from some Turkish website via the dark web, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing them with a friend and they o d

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00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: because there's a day there's a speed capacity gap between

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Speaker 2: the two of us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what that Uh, that's what DHS guy was

1147
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 5: talking about. For using AI to monitor dark web purchases.

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Speaker 5: He's going to really get on that one. No, speed

1149
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Speaker 5: capacity gap the gap between tech acceleration and the capacity

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Speaker 5: of society to keep up and make informed decisions about

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00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 5: the technology, which is actually kind of a useful terms.

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00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 5: It's it's just one of those you know, it sounds

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00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 5: like a silly tech term, but when the when it's

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00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 5: actually explained, like, oh, that's actually a really good way

1155
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 5: to think about the way AI is being pushed in

1156
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 5: all of these new ways, and are we actually as

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00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 5: a society, whether that's like as a government or just

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Speaker 5: like culturally, able to actually make inform decisions about how

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Speaker 5: we want this tech to be integrated into our lives.

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Speaker 5: And now the dark side of this term the speed

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Speaker 5: capacity gap. For the to kind of solve this gap,

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Speaker 5: we can either slow down a development or we can

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Speaker 5: speed up our capacity, and the panelists obviously preferred the latter,

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Speaker 5: and so we should just speed up our cultural capacity.

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Speaker 3: Did they propose a solution for that.

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Speaker 5: Well, kind of, but it's it's a little unclear. We

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Speaker 5: can go through my recording at a later day once

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Speaker 5: we do our full AI episode. But they're rationale for

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Speaker 5: why we should instead of instead of slowing down tech

1170
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 5: development instead speed up our cultural capacity is because of

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Speaker 5: the many benefits that tech improvements can be made via

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Speaker 5: tech iterations. Right, the more iterations you get of technology

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Speaker 5: that the more benefits are able to get from said technology.

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Speaker 3: A versioning y version.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, which brings us all the way back to versioning

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Speaker 5: there we go.

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Speaker 2: Which brings us all the way back to turkisham fetamines.

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Speaker 2: Because I've been for the last twenty years trying different

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Speaker 2: versions of turkishamphetamines and the blue pills. Man. You know,

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: normally you don't hallucinate on speed, but when you take enough,

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Speaker 2: it turns out you can. And so I think what

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Speaker 2: I'd like to leave everyone with is the knowledge that

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Speaker 2: turkisham fetamines are a thing you can purchase on the

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Speaker 2: dark web and should There's no health consequences to it

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 4: I'm not part of this byroh Flyne does not support

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Speaker 4: illegal drug purchases.

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Speaker 5: Respective podcasts.

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Speaker 2: They're not illegal if they're so new that the DEA

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Speaker 2: hasn't banned them yet.

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Speaker 5: That's innovation exactly exactly.

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Speaker 4: That's versioning, and that is the speed capacity gap folks.

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00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 5: That the DA can't keep up with the tech improvements.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody that's gonna do it for us here

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Speaker 2: at cool Zone. Before we leave, I want to give

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Speaker 2: Tabia and Ed both chances to plug their pluggables.

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Speaker 5: ED.

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Speaker 2: People are going to be hearing from you every week

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Speaker 2: on your new show, Better Offline, which is launching in

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Speaker 2: a what I'm sure you'll agree is a frighteningly short

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01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: time be soon.

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Speaker 4: It is going to be the best weekly tech show.

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Speaker 4: It is going to do the job that no one

1204
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 4: is strong enough to do, which is ask questions, listen

1205
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 4: to the answers, then actually make a question that follows them.

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Speaker 4: I'm very much looking forward to this and very excited

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Speaker 4: to work with the cool Zone team and Tavia Oh.

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Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter at cutma and if

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Speaker 3: you want to learn a little bit more about my

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Speaker 3: interactive and immersive work, you can see that at tabimora

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Speaker 3: dot com.

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Speaker 4: Now you may wonder why I didn't give you any

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Speaker 4: links to anything, and that was a deliberate thing called subterfuge.

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Speaker 4: But you can find me at where's your ed dot

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Speaker 4: at edzitron on Twitter, x rateminutes dot biers and of

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Speaker 4: course plue sky Zitron, dobisky dot social.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can find my profile on hand. All right, we're.

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Speaker 6: Fucking done here. Welcome to Nick What Happened Here? A

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Speaker 6: podcast about I don't know. This is gonna come me

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Speaker 6: out like Tuesday, right, maybe Wednesday. You probably know what

1221
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 6: this podcast is about. If you don't, It's about things

1222
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 6: falling apart putting it back together again.

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Speaker 5: I'm your host Mia Wong.

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Speaker 8: With me is James hi May and I'm very excited

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Speaker 8: to uh to lend some stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll be great.

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Speaker 6: No nothing, Well, okay, the good news that the first

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Speaker 6: guy we're talking about died. That's that's the only good news. Great, great,

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Speaker 6: more good news. But we're doing some episodes about the

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Speaker 6: Daily Wire. Uh, you're gonna get a lot more actual

1231
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Speaker 6: stuff about the Daily Wire in the next two episodes.

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Speaker 6: This is the this is the preliminary background information episode.

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Speaker 6: But you know, for people who aren't familiar with the

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Speaker 6: Daily Wire, the Daily Wire is a very large and

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Speaker 6: very powerful right wing media empire. They're you know, Ben

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Speaker 6: Shapiro's people. Matt Walsh is there, and they are. They've

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Speaker 6: become increasingly powerful because of their ability to drive the

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Speaker 6: actions and sort of like not even really mid level

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Speaker 6: like high mid high level like Republican officials, particularly at

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Speaker 6: a state level, towards you know, horrific anti trans policies

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Speaker 6: stuff like that.

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Speaker 8: Yep, they've had as the incredible divorced dad power of

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Speaker 8: those two guys. Like it's like a yeah, it's like

1244
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 8: a Pokemon situation, you know, like that, It's just it's inside,

1245
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 8: it's like shaken ball, but sometimes they let it out

1246
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Speaker 8: and control their Republican body with it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so okay, you know, but in order to

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01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 6: really sort of understand who these people are and why

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01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 6: they're able to sort of be like this, we need

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01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 6: to talk about the ways that this is new, because

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Speaker 6: you know, there's always been sort of writing like Christian

1252
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 6: media figures who do terrible stuff, but the way the

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01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 6: daily wire works is different than this stuff has worked

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Speaker 6: in the past. And in order to understand what is

1255
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Speaker 6: different about this than these sort of like previous eras

1256
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 6: of like Christian antiquer violence, we need to talk about neoliberalism.

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Speaker 6: So this is this is not the normal starting place

1258
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Speaker 6: you're talking about the religious right, but if you want

1259
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 6: to actually understand what's happening right now, you have to

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Speaker 6: go back to the origin and structure of neoliberalism so

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Speaker 6: you can understand how it shaped right when Christian organizing

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Speaker 6: in the last about fifty years. I want to start

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Speaker 6: this by talking about a guy who is not normally

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Speaker 6: considered part of the Christian right at all. In fact,

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Speaker 6: he's not even an American and his greatest influence is

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Speaker 6: on his home country of Germany. The man I'm talking

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Speaker 6: I want to talk about is Wilhelm rope Key. I've

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Speaker 6: mentioned him on this show before, but that was several

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Speaker 6: years ago. Now he is not a very well known figure,

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Speaker 6: and that's not good because he is one of the

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Speaker 6: smartest and one of the most dangerous neoliberals. So in

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Speaker 6: order to really get a sense of who rope Key is,

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Speaker 6: we need to talk about the beginnings of neoliberalism. So

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Speaker 6: we need to talk about Hyak and his sort of

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Speaker 6: attempt to recruit a bunch of new liberals to oppose.

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Speaker 6: While mostly to opposed communism, it later becomes about also

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Speaker 6: opposing fascism. But the problem that Hyak has is that

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Speaker 6: so in the nineteenth this is happening in the nineteen

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Speaker 6: twenties and really the nineteen thirties, the problem is that

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Speaker 6: the people who Hayak have been trying to recruit from

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Speaker 6: Germany dream the thirties all joined the Nazi Party.

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Speaker 5: So in many such cases, Yeah, it's a real issue

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Speaker 5: for them.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, once again the lips have let us down.

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Speaker 2: Shocked.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So you know, in the in the nineteen forties

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Speaker 6: after the war, when Hayak is trying to do this again,

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Speaker 6: he turns to William Ropeke instead of the original guys

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Speaker 6: who've been Nazis, because Roke had been out of the

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Speaker 6: country for the whole Nazi things. So he kind of

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Speaker 6: had skipped out on it.

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Speaker 8: Okay, smart, move on his foot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know this, this gets him an invite

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Speaker 6: to like Montpellier.

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Speaker 5: And so the whole sort of the origins of neoliberalism.

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Speaker 6: And rope Key is he's one of the architects of

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Speaker 6: what's called orderliberalism. So the order Liberals are one of

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Speaker 6: the factions of you know, they're one of the factions

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Speaker 6: of neoliberalism. What's interesting about them, We're gonna talk a

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Speaker 6: bit about what they believe. But what's interesting about the

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Speaker 6: order liberals is that they're not really economists. I mean,

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Speaker 6: some of them are, but it's a lot of sociologists.

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Speaker 6: And this means that the way that they think think

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Speaker 6: about the world is very different than the way that

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Speaker 6: like Hayek or you know, like a like von Mises

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Speaker 6: or like all the you know, the sort of like

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01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 6: mainline like guys who are economists in the neoliberal movement think.

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01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 6: The order liberals believe that there is a natural capitalist

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01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 6: hierarchy in a society that produces stability. But they also

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01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 6: understand that capitalism in general and neoliberalism, like specifically the

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Speaker 6: thing they're trying to bring about, adamses people. You know,

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Speaker 6: it destroys social bonds, It tears the fabric of communities apart,

1313
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Speaker 6: and it destroys the notion of any collective self identification,

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Speaker 6: replacing them with sort of market exchange and empty consumer

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Speaker 6: symbols masquerading his identity. You know, thing for example, the

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Speaker 6: rise of stand culture or I mean, god like the

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Speaker 6: thing we do, which is like, yeah, going to.

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Speaker 8: Say streamers, you know, so that's friends are on your phone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So this is extremely bad, and rope Key realizes this

1321
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 6: is a real issue for the success of neoliberalism, because

1322
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Speaker 6: people don't actually like being completely autonomized market agents with

1323
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 6: no real social relations other than wages and contracts. And

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Speaker 6: you know, if presented with these options, they might, for example,

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Speaker 6: turn to communism or God forbid anarchism.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but Roki, you know, Rokey is on the side

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Speaker 5: of bad and.

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Speaker 8: The side of bad. Yeah. The great title for the

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Speaker 8: episode side of that, it's.

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Speaker 2: Me as biography God.

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Speaker 6: Roke's conclusion from this is that you can't just rely

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Speaker 6: on the market passively coming into existence, because if markets

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Speaker 6: were supposed to passively come into existence, or if they

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 6: were you know, like the sort of like spontaneous order

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Speaker 6: thing that Y talks about when he's lying, Like if

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Speaker 6: that was actually true, they would just have they would

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Speaker 6: be everything would be market economies already.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's like no, like we would have had the exact

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01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 6: same economic and political system for the last thirty thousand years.

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Speaker 2: But we haven't.

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Speaker 6: So in order to do this, you have to make

1343
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 6: people into good neoliberal market subjects, and this requires the

1344
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 6: intervention of the state. The product of this is that

1345
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 6: ro Key is one of the architects of what's called

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01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 6: structural policy. These are these are specific state policy things

1347
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 6: that are used to create markets by you know, sometimes

1348
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 6: it's it's there's a whole variety of sort of ways

1349
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 6: that this happens, but by acting on and transforming like

1350
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 6: physically people right like what they do, what they believe,

1351
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 6: how they congregates, like what things they're allowed not allowed

1352
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:52,480
Speaker 6: to do, what things are incentivized. This this is structural policy.

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Speaker 6: This is the origin of what's later going to be

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01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 6: called structural or reform, which is the kind of stuff

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 6: that the IMF does to an economy to create markets.

1356
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 6: By taking food for the mouths of babies, and making

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Speaker 6: the babies work to get the food.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's great, it's the only way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 6: And that part of neoliberalism broadly, a lot of that

1361
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 6: comes from order liberalism, and it comes from people like Roke.

1362
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 6: But Ropeke realizes that, you know, there's there's a problem

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01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 6: of structural policy as an abstract concept, right, which is

1364
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 6: that in order for it to work, you need to

1365
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 6: a take control of the state, because again, this is

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01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 6: a state, but there is a top down state reform project, right,

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01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 6: and b there has to be something beyond the state

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01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 6: to create the kind of subjectivity you need to instill,

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01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 6: you know, to instill in people to make them behave

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Speaker 6: quote unquote as market agents.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 6: You can't just use the state in the market to

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01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 6: make people behave in the way that they're supposed to,

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01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 6: you know, to be good sort of like workers for

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 6: the workers for the great market. You need something else,

1376
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 6: is specifically, neoliberalism needs its own form of collectivity. It

1377
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 6: needs its own thing that creates social bonds between people.

1378
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 6: It needs its own kind of sort of identification to

1379
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 6: combat the sort of collective society of the left. Now

1380
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 6: part of Roke's plan, and this is something you share

1381
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 6: us with the other orderliberals is that they want to

1382
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 6: do this with you know, they want to use the

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01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 6: patriarchal family and small businesses as like the sort of

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01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 6: social basis of all of their sort of right wing politics.

1385
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 6: This is very durable rating politics stuff they also have. Weirdly,

1386
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 6: this is one of the things it's in the fifties

1387
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Speaker 6: and sixties is there's a lot of sort of on

1388
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 6: every side of the political aisle, like kind of romantic

1389
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 6: utopianism ish about like the countryside, ya. You know, this

1390
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 6: can swing wildly between like Mao or like the Japanese

1391
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 6: fascists or the neoliberals. So they have this dream of

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01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 6: sort of turning rural areas into these like bastions of

1393
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 6: like reaction against the left, and that did kind of

1394
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 6: happen in the US, but it didn't happen like it

1395
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 6: happened because the rural economy was completely annihilated and replaced

1396
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 6: with like a series of meth labs. Not because I

1397
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 6: guess technically was a downstream result. It's just that it didn't.

1398
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 6: It wasn't the sort of idyllic like good like farmer

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Speaker 6: family things that these people wanted.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, yeah, they they got there in an interesting way. Yeah,

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01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 8: with like massive agri business and meth labs are your

1402
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 8: two choices in life?

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01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like and you know, so like like yes,

1404
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 6: they this is one of these things where instead of

1405
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 6: achieving their goals through cultural means, they achieved their goals

1406
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 6: through like the massive uh like unbelievable economic violence. But

1407
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 6: you know, okay, so that's that's the other thing. That

1408
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 6: that and that's all sort of standardne.

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01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 5: Liberal theory, right.

1410
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 6: But what makes rope Key kind of unique is that

1411
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 6: she's really one of the first of these people to

1412
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 6: realize that you need another force, and that force is

1413
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 6: the Church. And this is something that people don't talk

1414
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 6: about a lot when they talk about neoliberalism, but a

1415
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 6: lot of these people are very very deeply Christian. Here's

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01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 6: Roke talking about his ideal society, quote rendering to the

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 6: king what is owed to the king, but also giving

1418
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 6: to God what belongs to God.

1419
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 8: So what belongs to God? Now one now I'm concerned.

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 6: I mean, he's it's funny because like he's taken the

1421
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 6: Bible verse like that he's taking to the render under Caesar,

1422
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,480
Speaker 6: like what belongs to Caesar.

1423
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 5: Render und blah blah, blah blah blah. But like it's

1424
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,480
Speaker 5: he's made it enormously more alarming.

1425
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, deeply, like cause like like the thing about

1426
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 6: the render under Caesar is that that's a statement about

1427
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 6: about like living under the Roman Empire, right right, Like

1428
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 6: this is just he just wants you to fucking have

1429
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 6: a king, yes, give shit to everyone needs a god.

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01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 5: Who is also the king.

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 8: Right, it's not even like like the necessity of the

1432
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 8: state thing, like you just dump dumped in like a pointless, hereditary,

1433
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 8: inbred person to give money to.

1434
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean she's not like, so okay, I should

1435
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 6: I should probably not slander him as thoroughly as I'm

1436
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 6: doing here, because I don't actually quite think he literally

1437
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 6: becomes a monarchist. But she does believe that there should

1438
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 6: be like I don't know, you describe it like there

1439
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 6: should be democratic parties, but that like actual economic policy

1440
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 6: shouldn't be like managed by them, Like you need like

1441
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 6: a super thing above the democracy, which is the IMF,

1442
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 6: to make sure that there's the little the little democratic

1443
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 6: people don't like start getting any ideas about the economy.

1444
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 8: Like a technocracy like a yeah, yeah, but.

1445
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 6: Like the thing with the technocracy and this is this

1446
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 6: is genuinely kind of what has been happening in Europe

1447
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 6: is that like living under a technocracy really sucks. Like

1448
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 6: it sucks like politically, it sucks materially, and it sucks

1449
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 6: like emotionally. And you know, the right has been able

1450
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 6: to make a lot out of sort of like this

1451
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 6: opposition to like the global bureaucracies or whatever, which is like, okay,

1452
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 6: like you guys maade these things in the first place,

1453
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 6: Like I, I, you know, you don't get a fucking

1454
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 6: complain about the bureaucracies that you set up and ran,

1455
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 6: but you know I haven't stomped him.

1456
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 5: Yeah. But but rop Key, rope Key.

1457
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:36,839
Speaker 6: You know, so a lot of the other order liberals

1458
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 6: become really sort of like you know, are become obsessed

1459
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 6: with taking over the IMF, which they do, and they

1460
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 6: take over the World Bank and they become you know,

1461
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 6: they do that stuff. Rope Key is obsessed with using

1462
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 6: the with using religion as like another kind of social

1463
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 6: force that he can bind to the other bull sort

1464
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 6: of movement together with, and so he sets out to

1465
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 6: form like like a react kind of like reactionary Catholic

1466
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 6: international to bring the ioliberalism to the world.

1467
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 8: That is a troubling concept.

1468
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it.

1469
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 6: Doesn't work, which is the good news. Well, and the

1470
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 6: problem is it doesn't work. It's not that it doesn't

1471
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 6: work because it's a bad idea. The reason that it

1472
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 6: doesn't work is that he's trying this in like the

1473
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 6: fifties and sixties and it is too early for that shit,

1474
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 6: like you know, I mean, and it's something I feel

1475
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 6: like I should at some point, I should actually do

1476
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 6: a deep dive into this on the show. But I've

1477
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 6: talked about this a couple of times. There is a

1478
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 6: very powerful form of kind of like conservative Christian politics

1479
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 6: in Europe at this time. It's like the Christian democracy movements.

1480
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 6: There's like if every single country if you look at

1481
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 6: it like this, from like the fifties through like the nineties,

1482
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 6: I mean, and even to this day. In Germany, for example,

1483
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 6: like there was a party called the Christian Democrats. Yeah,

1484
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 6: and they win like at least sixty percent of all elections,

1485
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 6: like in Italy, they're in power for like forty years.

1486
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 6: But the problem with Christian democracy from the perspective of

1487
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 6: someone like Roki is that like if you if you

1488
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 6: take like these parties, right, these parties are you know,

1489
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 6: these are these are the Christian Conservatives of this era.

1490
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 6: They are way way too far left for uh, for Roki.

1491
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 6: And that's not just the sort of like Rope look

1492
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 6: got how far right rop Key as although he is

1493
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 6: so like if if you took Elder Moro, who's like

1494
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 6: the great Italian Christian democratic statesman, multiple time Prime Minister

1495
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 6: of Italy killed in an insane web of conspiracies, like

1496
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 6: if you yeah, look like if you took Elder Moro

1497
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,560
Speaker 6: and you dropped him into the modern American Congress, he

1498
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 6: would be to the left. He is again the leader,

1499
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 6: he's like the leader of Italian well he's technically from

1500
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 6: the central left faction of the Christian Democrats, but he's

1501
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 6: like the guy who's not a socialist or a communist,

1502
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 6: like in terms of Italian politicans, who's not also a fascist.

1503
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 6: And if you took him from like the seventies and

1504
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 6: you plopped him into the American car he would be

1505
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 6: to the left of AOC, like AOC is pro cease

1506
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 6: fire in Gaza, right, like she she's pro cease fire

1507
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 6: in in Palestine. Aldo Borrow allowed the popular threat for

1508
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 6: the Liberation of Palestine, which is the Palestinian Communist pera

1509
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 6: military to operate out of and carry out attacks like

1510
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 6: from Italy.

1511
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 8: Right, like this guy you would like she is, well,

1512
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 8: if you go far enough, right, you might get that

1513
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 8: as well.

1514
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 6: To be fair, no, but but it wouldn't be the

1515
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 6: PFLP though, Yeah, I guess, I guess some of the

1516
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 6: German neo Nazis kind of liked them, but right, yeah, yeah,

1517
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 6: Like like imagine in the US any politician being like, yeah,

1518
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 6: the PFLP could operate out of the US or only

1519
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 6: our only our only condition is that we like we're

1520
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 6: gonna let you operate, but we're not gonna like protect

1521
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 6: you from uh like shim Bett or whatever, like the masade, Yeah,

1522
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 6: like racking pack you from the massade like that. But

1523
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 6: you know, you can you can do your stuff here.

1524
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 6: Could you imagine that shit happening? This guy was, This

1525
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 6: guy is a conservative in Europe right in He's like,

1526
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 6: you know, so this is what Roke's responding to. You

1527
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 6: like the existing Christian you know, and you know, to

1528
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 6: some extent, like the Christian the Christian Democrats are very

1529
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 6: very successful stopping communism, right, They're really good at it.

1530
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 6: They stop communism from taking hold anywhere in Europe, but

1531
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 6: they're not like capitalist enough for Roke. So when we

1532
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 6: come back from this thing Roki would have loved, which

1533
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 6: is ad transitions, we're going to talk about more of

1534
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 6: what Roki was doing and how it shaped neoliberalism and

1535
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 6: the Christian right. Woo yay, we're back. Rochi is having

1536
01:18:59,320 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 6: a great time.

1537
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 5: Is Grave.

1538
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 6: We're gonna get the thing that makes them spin it

1539
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 6: his grave, which I'm very excited about accent. But Okay,

1540
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 6: so you know, like as we've sort of been talking about,

1541
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 6: the Christian Democrats are not the Christian the Christian Democrats

1542
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 6: and a lot of countries are Catholic, some of them,

1543
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 6: like I think, like there are Protestant like Christian anectionsmen,

1544
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 6: but like yeah, but like a lot of a lot

1545
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 6: of them are Catholic. So I mean, it's it's it's

1546
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 6: a really interesting kind of like predecessor to like modern

1547
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 6: fire right politics where you get these like both of

1548
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 6: the US and Latin America, will you get these sort

1549
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 6: of like these Catholic Protestant alliances like this is this

1550
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 6: is like Matt Walsh, you know, we're gonna be talking

1551
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 6: about more in the next two days, like is a

1552
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 6: Catholic theocrat, right, but a lot of his base are

1553
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 6: like you know, are like Baptists and like the more

1554
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 6: even more feral charismatic Christians and like you know, but

1555
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 6: but you know, but these these groups are able to

1556
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 6: sort of work together, but they're not able. They're not

1557
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 6: working together with it. Roki wants so. And this is

1558
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 6: the thing that I think is very very scary about

1559
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 6: rok and and especially about the people who took this

1560
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 6: model right, whether explicitly or implicitly, people who people who

1561
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 6: figure out the same because a lot of people, some

1562
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 6: people like kind of directly go for Roky. Some people

1563
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 6: discover it through like I very weird readings, right wing

1564
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:24,879
Speaker 6: readings of Gramsci.

1565
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 5: It's a whole thing. I'll talk Yeah, one day, I'm gonna.

1566
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 6: Get Eve on the show and we're going to talk

1567
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,759
Speaker 6: about that, because it's fucking wild.

1568
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 8: What the yeah, wow, I think that Gramsky is not

1569
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 8: the most like inaccessible you know, like it. You know,

1570
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 8: there are some like left theorists who just just vomit

1571
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 8: words so much so you can just project a meaning

1572
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 8: on it.

1573
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 2: But I have not their thing.

1574
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 6: This is, this is eve Angers like thesis is that

1575
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 6: these people saw that, like leftists are reading obviously read

1576
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 6: Gromsey and we're like, we're going to do the right

1577
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 6: wing version of this. Okay, yeah, so now it's yeah,

1578
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 6: but you know, so some of these people are rediscovering

1579
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 6: the same things that Ropi has figured out in like

1580
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 6: the fifties. But the thing that Roki is doing is

1581
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 6: he she's figured out all the essential elements of the

1582
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 6: modern Christian right. You promote neoliberalism with one hand, and

1583
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 6: then you sell the solution to the atomization that your

1584
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 6: neoliberalism causes on the other hand with the church and

1585
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 6: the church, yes, we will serve as the basis of

1586
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 6: your political organization.

1587
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, that is that is a there's a way of

1588
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 8: doing it.

1589
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's an interesting there's a lot of people

1590
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 6: who do this same thing. Like at some point I'm

1591
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 6: going to finish my I'm going to write the thing

1592
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 6: about like this is actually what libertarianism is for a

1593
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 6: broad extent, is that libertarians are the people who like

1594
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 6: take the problems that the market produces and then try

1595
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 6: to sell you a solution which is more of those

1596
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 6: same problems but worded differently.

1597
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, so with people that weed now, so it's fine.

1598
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but you know so, but this is this

1599
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 6: is the Christian version of it. But again, rope Key

1600
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 6: to a large extent is smarter than the people who

1601
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 6: come after him, because he understands that this project, this

1602
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,759
Speaker 6: this this sort of Christian deliberal project is a constant

1603
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 6: struggle against adimization. That and and this adamization has to

1604
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,799
Speaker 6: be actively politically combated by the Church, like both politically

1605
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 6: and socially. And if it's not like actively combated by

1606
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 6: the Church, this whole project is going to start to

1607
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 6: come apart. Now rope Key is not the man who's

1608
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 6: going to lead the mob of Christian fanatics into the

1609
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 6: Promised Land. And part of this is also because he

1610
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 6: is like too racist for like the sixties, which again

1611
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 6: like so like in the parts of the sixties when

1612
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 6: he's saying the really racist stuff like segregation is legal

1613
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 6: in the US, right, like yeah, like that this is

1614
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 6: this is this is where we're at with this. He's

1615
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 6: too racist for that. And the thing that he's really

1616
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 6: really racist about is Rhodesia. Oh fucking hell, I didn't

1617
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 6: expect appearance. Yeah, yeah, this is this is the Rhodesia pivot,

1618
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 6: which is that like okay, so the orthodox neoliberals, people

1619
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 6: like Hayak are pro Rhodesia, right, And this is a

1620
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 6: Milton friedmand that these people are pro Rhodesia, but they're

1621
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 6: smart enough to use dog whistles and talk about it

1622
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 6: in terms of like economic terms and like stability of

1623
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 6: gar and blah.

1624
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah blah blah.

1625
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 6: Roke is just openly saying race warship, like I'm not

1626
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 6: gonna read it, but he is effectively like the spiritual

1627
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 6: forefadder of like the four Chane mass shooter.

1628
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 5: Like that, that's how racist he is.

1629
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 6: And you know, it turns out that just again openly

1630
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 6: like open race war ship is like too much for Hyak,

1631
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 6: and he gets kicked out of the manju m liberal

1632
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 6: organizations and tragically, tragically for all of us, Rokey dies

1633
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 6: before you can see his beloved Rhodesia reduced to a

1634
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 6: pulp by the series events IMPERIALSS insurgencies.

1635
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 5: He dies.

1636
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 6: He dies before all of the Rhodesian or like society's

1637
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 6: fucking fuel supplies stored in one spot or blown out.

1638
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 8: I say, see, if they'd had a more distributed market economy, maya,

1639
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 8: they would have had just just that all their fuel

1640
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 8: in one giant bottle which they burned. Spoiler love for

1641
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 8: anyone who hasn't been following the history of Rhodesia, not

1642
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 8: the country anymore.

1643
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank Christ. I actually don't think Christ. Fuck Christ,

1644
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 5: Christy new ship.

1645
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank all those people who went out there and

1646
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 8: killed bigger list, et cetera. Yeah, and of course all

1647
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 8: the American people who went over to join the Rhodesian

1648
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 8: military and killed other white Rhodesians by accident, by shooting

1649
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,719
Speaker 8: at people who were theoretically on their side.

1650
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, shout out to them. We're not going to get

1651
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 6: into North Korea backing another genocide in Zimbabwe here. That's

1652
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 6: also a fucking thing. I've not doing apologies for that

1653
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 6: because actually fucking sucked. Yeah, but you know, Okay, but

1654
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 6: he he dies before he can see his beloved Rhdesia

1655
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 6: fucking eat shit and die. But what Roki had is

1656
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 6: a very clear version of the hierarchical neoliberal society that

1657
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 6: he wanted to create. Right, and he is very especially

1658
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 6: by the end of his life, he is very explicit.

1659
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 5: About what this is.

1660
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 6: It is a Christian, white supremacist, patriarchal world and to

1661
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 6: build it, the right is going to have to use

1662
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 6: the church to stave off the alienization and adamization of capitalism,

1663
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 6: and we're back now in order to build this.

1664
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 5: New world, the world that Roke sort of.

1665
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 6: Imagines, the religious right, the actual religious right that's going

1666
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 6: to bring this up into fuition, sets off from a

1667
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 6: number of angles. I think the most famous part of

1668
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 6: this is probably the sort of moral majority infrastructure, which

1669
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 6: is this network of like think Tank's political advocacy organization's

1670
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 6: TV networksailing lists, like their own insane right wing colleges. Yeah, god,

1671
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 6: terrifying places. But the fundamental social basis, right, the fundamental

1672
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 6: collective space around which the right is organized was the church.

1673
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 6: There's been a lot of sociological talk in the last

1674
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 6: few years about like quote unquote third spaces. So the

1675
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 6: third space is supposed to be this place that's like

1676
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 6: not the home or not the workplace that people can

1677
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 6: exist in inform bonds in, and you know, people talk

1678
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 6: about like bridge clubs, blah.

1679
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah blah.

1680
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 6: But the thing about the US is that like the

1681
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 6: fucking YMCA, like all of these things that people talk

1682
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 6: about as the third space are just the church in

1683
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 6: different forms. Literally, church or a bunch of church run events.

1684
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, especially like the more like rural you get like

1685
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 8: it is, yes, and this is this is one of

1686
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 8: these things like that this was actually like one of

1687
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 8: the sort of rear flame to the workers movement, right,

1688
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 8: which is that like in large parts of Appalachia, right,

1689
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 8: you have a bunch of really really militant like miners

1690
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 8: unions for example.

1691
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 6: But then you know, but all of them are also

1692
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 6: like are also are also Baptists. And that is fine

1693
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 6: as long as you know you're you're you're dealing with

1694
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 6: Baptists who are doing well. I mean, I say fine,

1695
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 6: but like it's not an existential threat to the workers

1696
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 6: movement when you're dealing with like like you know, like

1697
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 6: it's easier for an arrow to like, sorry, it's easier

1698
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 6: for a camel to walk through the head of a

1699
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 6: pin than it is for a rich man to go

1700
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,759
Speaker 6: to have in Baptists. But the moment that still starts flipping,

1701
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 6: that's a very very dangerous sort of rear guard. You

1702
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 6: see this Nasian American communities where like you know, Asian

1703
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 6: Americans generally, like the last two generations like Millennials and

1704
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 6: gen Z are tacking really really hard left, except the

1705
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 6: fucking Christians who are like forming this for this insane rearguard.

1706
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 6: Because I've complained about this before, an fucking I'm doing this,

1707
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 6: this is this, this is a Christianity episode.

1708
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 5: I could talk about this that the.

1709
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 6: Thing to think about Asian Christians is that they're all

1710
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 6: they're almost all like first Chen converts, so they all

1711
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 6: have convert brain.

1712
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 5: Which means they're completely fucking batshit. Yeah.

1713
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 6: So you know, and this is one of the things

1714
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 6: that we're talking about here, right, is that the physically

1715
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 6: the church serves as this very very important engine kind

1716
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 6: of kind of revolution. It serves this engine of sort

1717
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 6: of spreading reactionary politics even among groups of people who

1718
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 6: you normally wouldn't get that kind of sort of right

1719
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 6: wing politics from. And this is where, you know, face

1720
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 6: face with the sort of leftward shifts in the US

1721
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 6: and the sixties and seventies globally too, a face with

1722
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 6: you know, I mean literally the specter of revolutions and

1723
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 6: not even like sometimes not even in specters like you know,

1724
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 6: this is post sixty eight, right, there's been a bunch

1725
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 6: of actual uprisings. Yeah, and they're the place that they

1726
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 6: make their move is by trying to seize control of

1727
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 6: various pieces of church infrastructure. We're going to take a

1728
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 6: Catholic example and a Protestant example, and we're not going

1729
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 6: to do the obvious Orthodox example because we'd be here

1730
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 6: for a fucking century.

1731
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 5: So let's start with Roki beloved Catholic Church. I think.

1732
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm gonna do a little bit

1733
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 6: of left inside baseball. I think people on the left

1734
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 6: tend to be really obsessed with the like liberation theology people.

1735
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 6: But the problem with liberation theology people is that they

1736
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 6: were around for maybe like thirty years, right, but by

1737
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 6: the time you get to the end of the eighties,

1738
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,719
Speaker 6: these people are all dead, right, Like they're either dead

1739
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 6: or they're like Ortega, and they've become these like literally

1740
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 6: they start calling themselves the Third Way and are like

1741
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 6: cutting all these deals with like really right wing social groups.

1742
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 6: And so this means that the dominant politics of like

1743
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 6: the capital like t Capital c.

1744
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 5: The Catholic Church is very gets very very right wing.

1745
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 6: Well it's not even that as much as it gets

1746
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 6: right wing, but it is very right wing, and that

1747
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 6: they're doing is very very scary. One of the things

1748
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 6: that I don't think people really realize. Is that so

1749
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 6: that probably you've heard the term gender ideology, Yeah, yes

1750
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 6: I have.

1751
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, do you know where that's from? Is it from?

1752
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 8: I've fucking forgotten the place where Harry Potter goes Hogwarts. Yeah.

1753
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 8: JFK is a fucking Johnny come late bastard. Like she

1754
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 8: she she got into this game after that ship had

1755
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 8: already started. Gender ideology is a term k rowling. Jfk

1756
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 8: rowling is powerful.

1757
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 5: Speak like this.

1758
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 6: The term gender ideology comes from the Catholic Church, and

1759
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 6: it's developed in reactions specifically to feminism, and very specifically

1760
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 6: it's developed in reaction to to arguments from feminists that that,

1761
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 6: you know, that gender is socially constructed, you know, because

1762
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 6: in the Catholic church's position is like, well no, that's

1763
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 6: herradic because obviously gender was assigned by God, and because

1764
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 6: gender just signed by God, like women are like you know,

1765
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 6: women are like like submissive blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah,

1766
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 6: like naturally, this is this is the natural order. This

1767
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 6: isn't like a sociologically constructed thing. This is the natural orders.

1768
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 6: Always been in talis, always billy b because they're like

1769
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 6: Nike unfathomably sexist.

1770
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 8: Is this like around there, like Elaine Pagel's beef with

1771
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 8: the Church, I'm not sure of Blaine Pagel's. If me

1772
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 8: with Elaine Pagel's God the Father Got the Mother.

1773
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 5: I think this is a bit before my time.

1774
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, yeah, this is uh the World's History stands

1775
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 8: at the University of California in common topic.

1776
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 5: Well, I think I think this is actually in the same.

1777
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 8: I've played videos of her to my students, and definitely

1778
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 8: in the eighties, like the vibe is powerfully eighties.

1779
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I guess that's a bit late because so

1780
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 6: a lot of the general all this stuff comes out

1781
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 6: of the early night.

1782
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 5: Well, I guess it's like early nineties.

1783
01:31:58,240 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 2: Okay.

1784
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 6: So one of the things that happens is that a

1785
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 6: lot of you know, in the nineties, the Catholic Church,

1786
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 6: and they have a bunch of like radfem allies here.

1787
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 6: By the way, do you have this massive fight in

1788
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 6: the un about like recognizing the right to abortions and

1789
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 6: other like sexually reproductive rights, And the Red Fems are

1790
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 6: pissed off because I mean there's a whole so they've

1791
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 6: been they're aligned with the Catholic Church is like an

1792
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 6: anti sex work thing and like an anti porn thing.

1793
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 6: And then also like a lot of the redfems. Well,

1794
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 6: I get I've gotten so much trouble for saying this,

1795
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 6: but like, holy shit, there's somebody those people are insanely technsphobic.

1796
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 6: Yeah damn wow, but you know, but like this is

1797
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 6: this is this, There's this massive battle inside the United

1798
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 6: Nations between a bunch of feminists and or like feminist

1799
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 6: who are like normal and then like the shitty RATFM

1800
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 6: factions and the Catholic Church on the other side, and

1801
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 6: Pope Benedict in particular goes like all out on this stuff,

1802
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 6: both on the international level and intern with like local churches,

1803
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 6: like goes on the offensive against abortion in queer liberation.

1804
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 6: And meanwhile the Protestant Church is doing like exactly the

1805
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 6: same thing. They're like pro except like I think, I think,

1806
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 6: like even more fascist, which is really really and I

1807
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 6: say this is someone who has raised Lutheran like that

1808
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 6: that is really the core of Protestantism is like what

1809
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 6: if we did Catholicism but like somehow shittier, like like

1810
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 6: Martin Luther. One day I'm going to do my thing

1811
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 6: on the world's greatest kind of revolutionaries, and then one

1812
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 6: of them is Martin Luther because oh yeah, very cley,

1813
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 6: because like like I might, my argument for this is

1814
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 6: that the greatest kind of revolutionary is the person who

1815
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 6: starts out at on on the side of the revolution

1816
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 6: and then turns against it. And so Martin Luther's thing

1817
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 6: was he was trying to outflank the Catholic Church in

1818
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 6: the sixteen hundreds from the right on anti Semitism. Sorry,

1819
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 6: I meant a sixteen sixteenth century fififteen hundred, fifty hundreds,

1820
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 6: which is even worse, fifty hundreds Catholic Church they have expelled,

1821
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 6: they have like the of the this is this is

1822
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 6: in the period where they're like expelling all of the

1823
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 6: Jews from Spain, right, and Martin Luther's trying to like

1824
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 6: flank them, and this is the kind of shit that's

1825
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 6: happening like in the US at this point, which is

1826
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 6: you know, this is this is this is the this

1827
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 6: is the Protestant sort of following the Catholic like why

1828
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 6: and in some ways blazing their own trail of of

1829
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 6: going really hard right. So probably the most famous and

1830
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 6: I think definitely one of the most important examples of

1831
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 6: this is the right wing seizure of the Southern Baptist.

1832
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 5: Convention in nineteen seventy nine.

1833
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 6: So for people who don't know about the Southern Baptist Convention,

1834
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 6: they are a very very large and influential like group

1835
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 6: of Baptist churches, and they've been kind of like they'd

1836
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 6: been anti segregation, they've been sort of like trending left,

1837
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 6: and there's this is one of the things. This is

1838
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 6: a very very famous thing in the history, like if

1839
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 6: if you're you know, it's sort of like the history

1840
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 6: and mythos of the right wing is like in nineteen

1841
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 6: seventy nine, at this convention, these like there's like these

1842
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:03,719
Speaker 6: group of pastors who are.

1843
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 5: Like, ah, the church is getting too woke or getting

1844
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 5: too left.

1845
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 6: They scrolled out this plan like on a fucking napkin

1846
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 6: to like how they were going to take over the church.

1847
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 5: And they do it. They see they.

1848
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 6: See control of the Southern Baptist Convention and they purge

1849
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:21,759
Speaker 6: all of their enemies and it is very very quickly,

1850
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 6: within a matter of like a couple of years, it's

1851
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 6: converted into this factory for right wing violence. Yeah, they

1852
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 6: they are They ruthlessly purge acting thiscent in the churches.

1853
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 6: A bunch of churches leave because they're like what the

1854
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 6: who the fuck are these people, like just these absolute

1855
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 6: right wing fanatics. Is like I've taken controls. A bunch

1856
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 6: of churches leave, but a lot of them stay, and

1857
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 6: you know what they're what their project is is that

1858
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 6: they start creating these sort of totalitarian micro states, like

1859
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 6: in like this is this what they turn churches into,

1860
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 6: and this is what they turn households into. Because these

1861
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 6: households become enormous centers of abuse, like just unfathomable amounts

1862
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 6: of violence. Cant sort of get get sort of spread

1863
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 6: out of this stuff. And you know the way that

1864
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 6: these things work, right is is is you may have

1865
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 6: seen I have you've seen those like fucking deranged umbrella

1866
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 6: memes that the Christian right makes on Twitter. No, I think, so, okay,

1867
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 6: they're supposed to be like these like umbrellas, and there's

1868
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 6: likely or the umbrella like protects you from the things.

1869
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 6: So there's like the family and it's had the family,

1870
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 6: they're like protected by the authority of the husband. You're

1871
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 6: protected by the authority of the church, protected by the

1872
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 6: authority of like the theocratic state.

1873
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 8: Okay, no, this is like the most cursed Russian doll.

1874
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 5: It's awful.

1875
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 6: And this is just what these people believe, right, and

1876
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 6: and they they enforce this through psychological and physical violence.

1877
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 6: These people are they're sending out instruction manuals about how

1878
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 6: to beat your children right, and how to do it

1879
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 6: in ways that you won't get caught, you know. And

1880
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 6: like what I'm saying that these are like totalitarian micro states,

1881
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 6: that's not an exaggeration that that is what these households are. Like,

1882
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 6: they're unbelievably violent. You as a child, there's under constant surveillance.

1883
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 6: You're literally forced to through physical violence to maintain their

1884
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 6: gender norms. And this is the base of the Christian

1885
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 6: of the homophobic Christian right. These churches are pumping out shocktroopers.

1886
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 6: And these are the shocktroopers both of neoliberalism and homophobic

1887
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 6: and transphobic violence. And when I say shocktroopers, I do

1888
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 6: mean this literally. Because an enormous number of these people,

1889
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 6: and this is part of.

1890
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 5: The reason's politics, it starts to fall apart. Like I

1891
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 5: grew up around these people.

1892
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 6: A lot of these people went to fucking a rock

1893
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 6: and got the absolute shit blown out of them. But

1894
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 6: you know, these people, like these these churches, this is

1895
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 6: you know, you can look at the sort of panopoly

1896
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 6: of the people who do right wing like homophobic violence,

1897
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 6: right the queer basher, the peroneu kicks their kid out

1898
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 6: of their homes for being gay, the homophobic boss who

1899
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 6: fires and abuses queer workers, the doctor who assaults us

1900
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 6: and then denies his medical care. These people are pumped

1901
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 6: up by the church. And what the church is doing

1902
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,799
Speaker 6: here is they're serving as the equivalent of sort of

1903
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 6: of unions in the left right. And when I say unions,

1904
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 6: I'm talking more like the nineteen oh seven iww of

1905
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 6: in like the twenty twenty three AFLCIO. These churches are

1906
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 6: the social and organizational space in which the right constructs

1907
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 6: its world right, it's the sort of nexus of homophobic

1908
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 6: organizing from the beginnings of the homophobic right through like

1909
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 6: their fight against gay marriage. But Kaba, something happened that

1910
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 6: Ropeke well, I think rope Key might have suspected this,

1911
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 6: But something happens that his inheritors did not expect. And

1912
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:36,160
Speaker 6: that's something is the only thing I failed to consider

1913
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 6: is what if neoliberalism came for the church so one

1914
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 6: of the things that has happened in the last and

1915
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 6: I mean literally we are talking the last ten years

1916
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 6: or ten to fifteen years. Really the last like ten

1917
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 6: years church attendants and this is also actually true well

1918
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,759
Speaker 6: of sending out on mosco attendants with the church tendants

1919
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 6: has been declining way more. It used to be like

1920
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 6: you know, if you're are you a member of a

1921
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 6: church moster synagogue r like Gallup has been pulling this

1922
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 6: since the fucking forties. It used to be the rate

1923
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 6: of it of being a member of a church, synagoguara,

1924
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 6: mosque was it was for like basically until like two thousand,

1925
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 6: it was hovering around seventy percent. It's now forty seven.

1926
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 6: That is a catastrophic drop. That is a rewriting of

1927
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 6: like fundamentally what the US is. The US has been

1928
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 6: a like Christian health state like since it was created,

1929
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 6: right like the US is founded by like religious extremists

1930
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 6: whose problem is that they weren't allowed to pursue Catholics enough.

1931
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 6: So this has been this has been a church country

1932
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 6: more so than like most of the European countries. You

1933
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 6: did the settling up until literally the last twenty years,

1934
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 6: and the drop between twenty ten and now is like

1935
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 6: fourteen percent. And this is this is and it's not

1936
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 6: just that the membership rates are going down, like the

1937
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 6: actual actual church attendance is going down, and so and so.

1938
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 6: In this context where less people are going to a church,

1939
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 6: less people belong to a church, the political strategies that

1940
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Speaker 6: have been based on using the church as like you

1941
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Speaker 6: default social network. Uh, they don't have the kind of

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Speaker 6: reachs that they used to. Yeah, and if that's your

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Speaker 6: political strategy, this is a catastrophe for you.

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Speaker 5: Now you know, we can talk. There are like, there

1945
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Speaker 5: are lots of.

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Speaker 6: Reasons this is happening, part of which it's sort of

1947
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Speaker 6: like the secularization of the US. Part of this is

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Speaker 6: that there's been so many fucking atrocious abuse scandals in

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Speaker 6: these churches that people are just fucking leaving because that's

1950
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Speaker 6: what happens. Yeah, you know, And one day, one day,

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Speaker 6: the thing I really will get canceled for is when

1952
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna the episode I do about how this happened

1953
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Speaker 6: in the DSA and how it is hauled out the membership,

1954
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Speaker 6: because you know, it turns out when people get abused,

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Speaker 6: they just fucking leave.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, not just the d I say, like, unfortunately, Yeah, this.

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Speaker 6: Happens in so many organizing like this is on the left, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: stopping fucking creeps. Yeah, but like you know, fellows sist dudes. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: the Christian right has particularly bad because they don't they

1960
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Speaker 6: did therever address it, right, this is part of their

1961
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Speaker 6: ideology is that this is good.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the problem, like at least in the left,

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Speaker 8: Like it keeps fucking happening, and we do recognize it's bad.

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Speaker 8: We sometimes just seeming to people on the left are

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Speaker 8: repaired to allow it to happen because I think it's

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Speaker 8: not as bad as the alternative but which is bullshit.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, when you have a church which actively kind

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Speaker 8: of encourages.

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Speaker 6: It, then that's actually and and and part of and

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Speaker 6: the other. The other thing that's happening here, right, is

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Speaker 6: that like the other thing that's generating this is just

1972
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Speaker 6: there's just the neoliberal adamisation of society, like it's it's

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Speaker 6: tearing apart sort of like social bound you know. And

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Speaker 6: and I mean one of the things I think you

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Speaker 6: have to be careful of when you talk about neoliberalism

1976
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Speaker 6: tearing about social bonds, is that not all a lot

1977
01:41:56,640 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 6: of those bonds sucked like it was not good but

1978
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Speaker 6: everyone with seventy percent of Americans were going to church, right, Like,

1979
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Speaker 6: not good at all.

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Speaker 5: That sucked. It was deeply evil.

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Speaker 6: But you know, it tears apart like it tears, it

1982
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Speaker 6: tears apart bonds, not entirely without regard to ideology, but it.

1983
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Speaker 5: Still does do it.

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Speaker 6: And this means this context has completely reshaped what right

1985
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Speaker 6: wing like anti career and anti transorganizing looks like. And

1986
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Speaker 6: the right right now, the right solution to that is

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Speaker 6: the Daily Wire, and we will get explained that in

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Speaker 6: very great length tomorrow and the day after that, So

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Speaker 6: stay tuned.

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Speaker 8: Does the entree of the bad guy, Well, we already

1991
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Speaker 8: had a bad guy. I guess he's dead these ones, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: this is the bad guy number two, yeah, three, four.

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Speaker 5: Maybe after the Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Convention.

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Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, they're right up there there. And they've still

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Speaker 8: got time too. You know, they're already only in their ascendency,

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Speaker 8: so we shouldn't judge him too, Eddie.

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Speaker 6: Yep, but yeah, this has been naked happened here, go

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Speaker 6: make these people's lives miserable.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Ben Shapai is miserable because I write a

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Speaker 8: piece of mechanics about how to tag down a statue

2001
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Speaker 8: and he is still mad about it because he said,

2002
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Speaker 8: I can't wait for their piece about mods of cocktails

2003
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Speaker 8: and I never wrote that as well. So Ben Shapira

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Speaker 8: can suck it. Thank you for the career help of

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Speaker 8: Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 2: Ah, welcome back to it could happen here a podcast

2007
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:53,839
Speaker 2: about things falling apart. And whenever you have things falling apart,

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Speaker 2: you have the Daily Wire. I don't know, Garrison, what

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Speaker 2: are we talking about today?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Daily Wire has been our trusted companions among

2011
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Speaker 5: the rise of the alt right and this kind of

2012
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Speaker 5: just impending sense of bad that has been, you know,

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Speaker 5: increasing the past five ten years, twenty years, thirty years.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: So Mia in the last episode talked about some of

2016
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Speaker 5: the neoliberal conditions that kind of led to this dip

2017
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Speaker 5: in church attendance and it's resulted in the Christian right

2018
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Speaker 5: kind of changing formations in a few interesting ways, and

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Speaker 5: we're going to talk about that here, but now more

2020
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Speaker 5: specifically about how The Daily Wire has been able to

2021
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:49,799
Speaker 5: profit off of this shift. So as third spaces, including churches,

2022
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 5: die off, online spaces have been gun to fill the gaps.

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01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 5: From Facebook groups to content creators to conservative streaming services,

2024
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 5: the organizational hub of the far right has been picked

2025
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Speaker 5: up by opportunistic bloggers and aspiring movie moguls. Which brings

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Speaker 5: us to twenty thirteen, a perfect year. Nothing went wrong,

2027
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 5: just a normal, normal time. So in twenty thirteen, we

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Speaker 5: had failed screenwriter Ben Shapiro and a failed movie producer,

2029
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Speaker 5: Jeremy Boring. They started working together on a project called

2030
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Speaker 5: Truth Revolt. Now I assume most of us are somewhat

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01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 5: familiar with Ben Shapiro. He was an editor at Breitbart.

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Speaker 5: This he started as a young conservative blogger who gained

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Speaker 5: prominence in the two thousands. In the twenty teens, So

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna waste too much time going into the

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Speaker 5: background of Ben because I'm I'm guessing we all basically

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01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 5: know who Ben Shapiro is. But I'm also guessing that

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01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 5: almost no one listening to this probably knows who Jeremy

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Speaker 5: Boring is, hence the name. So I'm gonna be focusing

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Speaker 5: a lot on Jeremy. I I find Jeremy to be

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01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 5: a kind of fascinating person. I I almost weirdly enjoy

2041
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 5: watching his stuff just because I find it to be

2042
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 5: extremely fascinating. His demeanor, his his his way of going

2043
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 5: about creating a conservative media empire, I find to be

2044
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 5: really intriguing. I've I've watched Jeremy Boring stuff just as

2045
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 5: like a voyeurist observer for years now, and he's actually

2046
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 5: starting to become more of a prominent face among the

2047
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 5: right wing media ecosystem, or at least he's he's been

2048
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 5: putting his face out there for a while. Most of

2049
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:42,799
Speaker 5: the time he's just been behind the scenes. So Jeremy

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01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 5: Boring is just a is a is A is a

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01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 5: good Christian boy from a small town in Texas. He

2052
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 5: got involved in kind of local town. Yeah. I I

2053
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Speaker 5: forget the exact town because I didn't I didn't write

2054
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 5: it down in the script, but I believe it's somewhere

2055
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 5: in West Texas if I remember correctly, it's it's it's

2056
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Speaker 5: It's been a while since I watched the two hour

2057
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Speaker 5: interview with Jerity Boring where he discussed his upbringing.

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Speaker 2: God, I wonder if it's Lufkin. I'm pulling it up.

2059
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm pulling it up Slayton. Okay, okay, well still a

2060
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 2: dogshit Texas.

2061
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Speaker 5: Yeah, See that's why I did mention it because its

2062
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 5: like who.

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Speaker 2: Can's in Lubbock County, min love it.

2064
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was kind of involved in some local community

2065
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 5: theater productions as a kid, and like a lot of kids,

2066
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 5: he aspired to be an actor. So as a young

2067
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 5: adult he moved to LA He very soon gave up acting.

2068
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 5: I think he had one small bit role as like

2069
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Speaker 5: a crying soldier, but besides that, he just couldn't get

2070
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 5: any work. So instead he just he decided to become

2071
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 5: a struggling screenwriter. Classic classic move. Yeah, moving from a

2072
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Speaker 5: failed actor failing yes, yes, yes, exactly. In the early

2073
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 5: two thousands, he got invited to a Hollywood Bible study

2074
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Speaker 5: group with a whole bunch of like young C list celebrities,

2075
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 5: and over time he evolved into a sort of pastoral

2076
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 5: role within the group. And then in two thousand and seven,

2077
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,560
Speaker 5: he was able to write and produce his first movie, Spiral,

2078
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 5: starring Zachary Levi, who now played Shazam in DC's movies

2079
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 5: and really nothing else because he seems to be a

2080
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 5: deeply unlikable person who's not really been hired in many

2081
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 5: other things. But Zachary Levi was also in this like

2082
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 5: Christian Bible study group. They were both friends, him and

2083
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,839
Speaker 5: Jeremy Boring, So they made this movie spiral. It grossed

2084
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 5: just over three thousand dollars. So not the smash hit

2085
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 5: that you know you would you you would hopeful for

2086
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 5: your first movie.

2087
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Speaker 2: That is, uh yeah, that's not great.

2088
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 5: It's not it's it's not it's not perfect. Now. Jeremy

2089
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 5: Boring claims that his religious and political beliefs made it

2090
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 5: so that he wasn't able to progress very far in

2091
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 5: the Hollywood system, but he was invited to a secret

2092
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:05,879
Speaker 5: meeting of conservatives in Hollywood called the Friends of ABE

2093
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 5: that Robert you should you should look up the Friends

2094
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 5: of ABE logo because it's really good.

2095
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

2096
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Speaker 5: I think people like like, uh like John Voight and

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01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 5: just you know those sort.

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Speaker 2: Of like yeah, it sounds like I think John Voight

2099
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 2: would be a member of Yes, yes.

2100
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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure John voyightt was a member of this group.

2101
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 2: God, they're and they're treating it. They're treating it. There

2102
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Speaker 2: was like a Friends of something or other group that

2103
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 2: was like an underground group providing reproductive healthcare service back

2104
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 2: before abortion, back for Roe v. Wade, which is clearly

2105
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 2: what they're Oh god.

2106
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Speaker 5: Is that who made this logo? This is like bad

2107
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 5: clip art. Oh my god, it's it's quite good. So

2108
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 5: he was he was invited to this secret meeting, the

2109
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Speaker 5: Friends of Abe, and this is where he met another

2110
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Speaker 5: friend of the pod, Andrew Breitbart. So this is this

2111
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Speaker 5: is actually really a really important Grammer was a member too, yes,

2112
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 5: a very important weird subcultural community within Hollywood. So as

2113
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Speaker 5: Jeremy was trying to move into just movie producing, he

2114
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 5: was actually asked to take over this Friends of Abe group.

2115
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Speaker 5: So he became a very central role and he made

2116
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Speaker 5: a lot of connections, connections that will soon become important

2117
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 5: when we discuss the Daily Wires own adventures in movie

2118
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 5: producing in the next episode or so. So he took

2119
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Speaker 5: over this group. Eventually he had this other smaller Bible

2120
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Speaker 5: study group, So he's kind of moving up in the

2121
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 5: world of conservative secret meetings in Hollywood. So because he

2122
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,759
Speaker 5: met Andrew bite Bart at the Friends of Abe, Andrew

2123
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 5: bite Bart obviously knows Ben Shapiro because Shapiro used to

2124
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 5: be the editor at Breitbart News.

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Speaker 2: Also, I feel the need to note the Friends of

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Speaker 2: Abe was founded by Gary Sinise, who was in such

2127
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 2: beloved movies as well. I think the only beloved movie

2128
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,679
Speaker 2: he was in was Forrest Gump, where he played Lieutenant Dan.

2129
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 5: Oh he did Bobe.

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01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Lieutenant Dan founded the group, which is

2131
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 2: actually like Lieutenant Dan would be in the Friends of Abe,

2132
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 2: so that kind of fits. He also had apparently a

2133
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 2: bit roll our some role in Apollo thirteen. I forget

2134
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 2: who So there you go, Gary Sinise great.

2135
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Speaker 5: So around this time is when Ben Shapiro and Jeremy

2136
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 5: Boring first met, just before like twenty ten. I think

2137
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 5: the two met via Andrew Bitepart, whom Ben was working

2138
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 5: for at the time at Brightbart News. Now. Jeremy and

2139
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:38,240
Speaker 5: Ben hit it off, and they decided that they would

2140
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 5: want to work together to create media to quote unquote

2141
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Speaker 5: influence culture. That's a term that Boring uses quite a lot,

2142
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 5: is like influencing culture. Now. Boring was very impressed by

2143
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 5: Shapiro and sought to propel Shapiro's fame and wanted to

2144
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 5: create a platform and wanted to create a platform to

2145
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:02,560
Speaker 5: increase Ben's ability to impact politics on a larger scale.

2146
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,560
Speaker 5: He really thought he saw something in Ben that, if utilized,

2147
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 5: could make Ben into a pretty major celebrity. Boring was

2148
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 5: friendly with board members of the David Horowitz Freedom Center,

2149
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 5: an extremely racist, anti Muslim right wing think tank I

2150
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:22,559
Speaker 5: believe based in law. Boring thought that Ben and David

2151
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 5: had a lot in common. They were both very like

2152
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 5: politically feisty Jewish conservatives in the LA scene, and Boring

2153
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 5: wanted to prepare Ben to sort of carry the torch

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Speaker 5: of the Freedom Center using all of the resources that

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Speaker 5: David Horowitz have built up over a long period of time.

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Speaker 5: So for about a year and a half, Boring met

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Speaker 5: with board members behind the scenes to create some sort

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Speaker 5: of buy in and cast Ben Shapiro as the future

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Speaker 5: for the Freedom Center, planning seeds of what it will

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Speaker 5: be to come. Eventually, David Horowitz chose Ben as the

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Speaker 5: heir to the Freedom Center first by giving Shapiro and

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Speaker 5: Boring an opportunity to test things out by starting a

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Speaker 5: company under the Freedom Center called Truth Revolt. Truth Revolt

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Speaker 5: is something that I didn't I think I saw it

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Speaker 5: a little bit when I was like a younger teen,

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Speaker 5: but it wasn't It wasn't super popular. Truth Revolt saw

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Speaker 5: some initial success as like a conservative quote unquote news

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Speaker 5: site aimed at exposing leftist media. Shapiro billed Truth Revolt

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Speaker 5: as the quote unquote anti media matters Now, Shapiro admits

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Speaker 5: that Truth of Volt ultimately wasn't very sustainable because the

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Speaker 5: whole website was designed around trying to generate traffic by

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Speaker 5: being linked by Drudge Report. And at the time.

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Speaker 2: That's like literally literally like a third of right wing

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Speaker 2: media in the early two thousands to mid auts Like

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Speaker 2: that was Alex Jones's whole strategy for a while too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole point was creating headlines that would be

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Speaker 5: linked by this conservative news aggregator. And this isn't a

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Speaker 5: very sustainable business model, at least that's what Ben claims.

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Speaker 5: And because truth Revolt was operating under the Freedom Center,

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Speaker 5: it was run as a nonprofit and received very limited

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Speaker 5: funding and little to no advertising budget. But even back then,

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Speaker 5: there was a big focus on creating video content to

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Speaker 5: fill out the site and grow its own YouTube page.

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Speaker 5: I have a wonderful screenshot here of some old truth

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Speaker 5: Revolt videos from like nine ten years ago. We have

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Speaker 5: brass tax on immigration. Andrew Clevan I think his name

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Speaker 5: is Clevans. He's one of the main Daily Wire guys now,

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Speaker 5: but he was involved way way back then. He has

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Speaker 5: a video on Obama conspiracy theories, which I'm sure that's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to dig into that one.

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Speaker 5: Ben Shapiro has a lot of videos about why Jews

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Speaker 5: vote leftist. We have videos about Hillary Clinton, we have

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Speaker 5: the left's magical thinking. There is another Andrew Clavan video

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Speaker 5: called fIF D Shades of Barack Obama. So again, all

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Speaker 5: like very very like twenty twelve type stuff here, like

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Speaker 5: all all very like early early twentyighteenth.

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Speaker 2: They were iterating, they were cooking.

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Speaker 5: They were cooking, and like cooking, sometimes your first attempt

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Speaker 5: doesn't really work out. Truth of Volt started declining in

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Speaker 5: around early twenty fifteen, but Jeremy Boring was working on

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Speaker 5: a business plan with a more marketing driven approach. Instead

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Speaker 5: of relying on like nonprofit annual donors, Boring wanted to

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Speaker 5: use a more of a for profit model where they

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01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:39,920
Speaker 5: used ad revenue and the larger web traffic generated through

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Speaker 5: marketing on social media, especially on Facebook, to pay for

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Speaker 5: this entire media operation. Now, the old guard of this

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Speaker 5: conservative think tank did not really like this plan. The

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Speaker 5: Freedom Center actually fired to Jeremy Boring when he produced

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Speaker 5: this plan to revamp truth Revolt, and soon after Ben

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Speaker 5: Shapiro stepped down. This was in April twenty fifteen. Jeremy Bort.

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01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 5: Jeremy and Ben attempted to buy out the site, but

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Speaker 5: that didn't pan out, and eventually Truthful to just withered away.

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Speaker 5: Do you know what else slowly withers away over time?

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Speaker 2: Uh? You without the products and services that support this podcast.

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Speaker 5: That's right, all right, we are back. Thank the maker

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01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 5: for all of those wonderful products and services that let

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Speaker 5: me spend about ten hours a day watching Daily Wire

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Speaker 5: videos so I could write like four thousand words.

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Speaker 2: Truly, this was This was Sophie's grand dream when she

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Speaker 2: began this.

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Speaker 5: Just have a wall of computers constantly playing Daily Wire

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Speaker 5: plus exclusive contest.

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Speaker 2: That was the pitch we came to corporate with, what

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Speaker 2: if we expose demand to all of the Daily Wire

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Speaker 2: one could possibly consume?

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Speaker 5: Hell? Oh, by all right, So Jeremy Boring, failed movie producer,

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Speaker 5: failed screenwriter, has been fired from Truth Revolt. Ben Shapiro,

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01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:17,200
Speaker 5: his colleague in arms, steps down in solidarity. We love

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01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 5: to see workers unite. So Shapiro and Boring still liked

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Speaker 5: their plan to use ad revenue and social media advertising

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Speaker 5: to make a for profit media company. So in twenty

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Speaker 5: fifteen they looked for other investors to fund a new website,

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01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 5: and it just so happened that around this time, two

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Speaker 5: Texas billionaires known as the Wilks Brothers We're looking to

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01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 5: use their fracking fortune to quote unquote influence culture. There's

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Speaker 5: that term again. Through a mutual friend, Boring was able

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01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,160
Speaker 5: to secure millions of dollars in seed money from the Wilks,

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Speaker 5: who also later went on to fund prager You. With

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01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 5: an influx of cash on hand, Ben and Jeremy started

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Speaker 5: The Daily Wire initially just as a conservative news site,

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01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 5: but with ambitions to become an entire conservative entertainment production

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01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 5: and distribution house. Instead of relying on donors or links

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01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:16,040
Speaker 5: from news aggregators, their new approach was focused on creating

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01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 5: and cultivating a long term audience. They first prioritized quote

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01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:25,480
Speaker 5: unquote investing in making Ben and other up and coming

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01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:30,760
Speaker 5: conservative figureheads more famous, in particular using an intentional social

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01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 5: media strategy to propel people from out of the conservative

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01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 5: bubble into the popular zeitgeist. Specifically, Jerry Boring worked to

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Speaker 5: increase the personal brand awareness on sites other than Twitter,

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Speaker 5: where generally most of these writers spend most of their

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Speaker 5: social media hours. The point was to not just do

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Speaker 5: it on Twitter, instead it on the other social media

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Speaker 5: sites where actual, like regular people spend more of their

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01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 5: time because it's mostly just other writers on Twitter versus

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Speaker 5: the the actual audience that the Daily Wire wanted to

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Speaker 5: attract were mostly spending their time on places like Facebook

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01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,520
Speaker 5: or Instagram. So fourteen months in, the Daily Wire was

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01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:13,920
Speaker 5: already cash flow positive, and we see this approach of

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01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 5: specifically trying to like create celebrity. It really paid off

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01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 5: if you look at how the how like the cultural

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01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 5: figure of Ben Shapiro specifically kind of emerged in the

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Speaker 5: mid two thousands, Like he became such a such like

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Speaker 5: a meme with such like a recognizable character through very

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Speaker 5: simple marketing on like YouTube on Facebook. It was. It

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Speaker 5: was wildly successful. You cannot open up YouTube without seeing

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Speaker 5: a Ben Shapiro destroys college student on campus video, like

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Speaker 5: every single every single time. Now, on top of making

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Speaker 5: a news site, they also decided to move into podcasting,

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Speaker 5: a very controversial medium. I'm gonna I'm gonna read one

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Speaker 5: quote from Ben here. Quote one area that we had

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Speaker 5: no idea was going to be the center of revenue

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Speaker 5: was the actual podcast. When I look back at that

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Speaker 5: business plan, what we get allocated for the amount of

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Speaker 5: revenue from the podcast was minimal compared to how successful

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Speaker 5: the podcast became, and that cannot be understated. The Daily

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Speaker 5: Wire makes a shitload of money on their podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all were surprised by how lucrative prop podcasting

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Speaker 2: wound up being like because it was around for like

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Speaker 2: a decade or so before it was before people were

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Speaker 2: really making any money off of it. It kind of

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Speaker 2: snowballed very quickly once advertisers realized it was something they

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02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 2: could get in on. But like it was, there was

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02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,920
Speaker 2: a long time where it was just sort of like

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Speaker 2: a thing weird little guys like Joe Rogan did and

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Speaker 2: most people didn't really think about them much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and their social media advertising plan also worked outrageously well,

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02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 5: especially on Facebook. Routinely, over the past few years, stories

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Speaker 5: published by The Daily Wire received more likes, shares, and

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Speaker 5: comments on Facebook than any other news publisher by a

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Speaker 5: wide margin. Shapiro has more followers in The Washington Post.

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Speaker 5: Their engagement outpaces the New York Times, The Washington Post, NBC, CNN,

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02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 5: and Fox News on average by over ten Times, and

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02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:16,280
Speaker 5: they often get more clicks on their articles than all

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Speaker 5: of those outlets combined. They have like they figured out

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Speaker 5: a really successful method to promoting their news content in

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Speaker 5: a way that really no one else has been able

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Speaker 5: to replicate. Utilizing provocative rage bait propagandized by a select

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Speaker 5: few of online personalities, the Daily Wire has been able

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Speaker 5: to expand the brand recognition of not just their own site,

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Speaker 5: but also the personal brand of its own hosts. Ben

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Speaker 5: and Jeremy brought over some of the people from Truth Revolt,

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Speaker 5: but they were also scouting for new talent among the

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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen conservative sphere to invest their newly acquired fracking

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Speaker 5: resources into. Another quote from Ben is like surround yourself

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Speaker 5: with people who are going to be successful unquote, particularly

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Speaker 5: not like going after people who are currently popular, but

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Speaker 5: trying to find up and coming content creators who they

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Speaker 5: think they can turn into being much more successful than

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Speaker 5: what they currently started as. Among the people they recruited

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Speaker 5: was the relatively unknown extremist Christian writer and radio talk

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Speaker 5: show host Matt Walsh, who we will get to in

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Speaker 5: a sec the slightly more famous blogger Candice Owens, who

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Speaker 5: was picked up a few years prior by the conservative

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Speaker 5: student group Turning Point USA to be their quote director

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Speaker 5: of Urban Engagement.

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Speaker 6: Which.

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Speaker 5: Is an awful title what they mean by I wonder

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Speaker 5: what they mean by urban engagement. And then in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 5: after being a Daily Wire correspondent for a few years

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Speaker 5: and helping to launch Ted Cruise's own podcast, the Daily

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Speaker 5: Wire hired failed actor Michael Knowles, who's basically a discount

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Speaker 5: Matt Walsh, to host his own podcast. And finally, in

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Speaker 5: twenty two, the Daily Wire recruited Jordan Peterson, probably their

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Speaker 5: biggest get to date after he quote unquote retired from

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Speaker 5: the University of Toronto. The original funding pitch to the

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Speaker 5: Wilkes Brothers, who are looking to influence culture, explicitly positioned

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Speaker 5: the Daily Wire not just as a news site, but

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Speaker 5: as a prospective alternative to the liberal Hollywood monopoly. There

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Speaker 5: there's a really interesting quote here from Jeremy Boring quote,

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Speaker 5: I think there is a path for conservatives to create entertainment,

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Speaker 5: but I think you have to go about it in

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Speaker 5: a roundabout way. We need a marketing and distribution mechanism

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Speaker 5: that allows us to actually put an audience on the target,

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Speaker 5: because Hollywood will never cooperate. Even if you managed to

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Speaker 5: make a great film, they'll never cooperate. They'll make it

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Speaker 5: very difficult for you. With Ben, and with what we've

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Speaker 5: been doing at Truth Revolt, we can make something that's

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Speaker 5: capable of marketing whatever we produced thereafter for this particular

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Speaker 5: audience unquote. So there he's emphasizing that, no matter the

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Speaker 5: quality of the actual content you create for this sort

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Speaker 5: of conservative media ecosystem, you first need to actually build

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Speaker 5: an audience that will be able to find it. That's

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Speaker 5: like their first step is building up this audience and

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Speaker 5: then they can focus on actually making the content just

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Speaker 5: because of how this distribution system works. That at least

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Speaker 5: that was that was Jeremy's take on that. Do you

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Speaker 5: know what else is really important for building up a

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Speaker 5: sustainable audience? Products that's right, trustworthy products and services that

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Speaker 5: our audience knows are of fantastic, fantastic quality. It's the

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Speaker 5: it's the only way.

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Speaker 2: We are also supported by the Wilkes Brothers, but but

2352
02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:50,760
Speaker 2: directly through selling hydraulic fracturing technology. So rack your backyard

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Speaker 2: and join the fractvolution.

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Speaker 5: We're fracking back here, all right. That was just a

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Speaker 5: wonderful a wonderful frack break. My back feels is so much,

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Speaker 5: so much, so much more loose. After that, I cracked

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Speaker 5: for like.

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Speaker 2: The house across from me exploded when fracturing fluid released

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Speaker 2: natural gas that was then ignited by an oven.

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Speaker 5: Speak of, speaking of fracking, I think we're both actually,

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Speaker 5: even though we're on different sides of the country, we're

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Speaker 5: both in like a ridiculous cold freeze right now.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's pretty cold.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is twenty two degrees right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like sixteen or something here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're in Atlanta, so you are the last

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Speaker 2: person alive in the entire city.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but no, I'm sure fracking has done nothing to

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Speaker 5: contribute to this anyway. So let's let's turn our dials

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Speaker 5: now to twenty two once again. Normal year. Nothing bad happened,

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Speaker 5: just a fun time overall. In twenty twenty one, The

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Speaker 5: Daily Wire relocated from liberal Hollywood, California, to Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 5: with hopes of creating their own conservative entertainment empire in

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Speaker 5: the music city. After over half a decade of building

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Speaker 5: up an audience, the Daily Wire started to shift towards

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Speaker 5: creating in house entertainment media like movies and TV, as

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Speaker 5: well as producing their own neatly packaged documentaries to serve

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Speaker 5: as a cultural catalyst in a way that a daily

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Speaker 5: podcast show like The Ben Shapiro Show just can't write

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Speaker 5: like we put out a daily podcast, and because it's

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02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:46,360
Speaker 5: a daily show, it can only have a certain level

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Speaker 5: of impact for all the things we cover in a

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Speaker 5: way that you know, a highly produced documentary can have

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Speaker 5: like a little bit more like easily observable impact just

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Speaker 5: because of how it's being packaged. So they saw this

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Speaker 5: and decided they wanted to start putting a lot of

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Speaker 5: resources into their own documentaries as well as their podcasts.

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Speaker 5: But it wasn't just documentaries. In twenty twenty one, they

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Speaker 5: also distributed their first movie, Run Hide Fight thirty eight

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Speaker 5: percent on Rotten Tomatoes. It is a school shooter thriller

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Speaker 5: movie that I have not watched. I've watched a lot

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Speaker 5: of the Daily Wires original content. I am not watching

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Speaker 5: Run Hide Fight. I'm sorry, I'm just not doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really want to watch Diehard with school

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Speaker 2: shooters and a teenage girl. That seems a bit on

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Speaker 2: the nose. No, I just I simply refused. Four other

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Speaker 2: original Daily Wire movies have come out since then, which

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Speaker 2: we'll get to some of those in the next episode. Now,

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Speaker 2: before twenty twenty, the Daily Wire was making some exclusive

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Speaker 2: content behind like a membership paywall for something that they

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Speaker 2: called Daily Wire All Access. But us twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: and into twenty twenty two, they rebranded and pivoted hard

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Speaker 2: into promoting their own subscription based streaming service, The Daily

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Speaker 2: Wire Plus. Again, they are nothing if not original. This

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02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:18,040
Speaker 2: was during a wave of plus branded streaming services. We

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Speaker 2: have Disney Plus, we have Paramount Plus.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there's probably many others that I'm just not

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Speaker 5: gonna bother even looking up. But the Daily Wire Plus

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Speaker 5: the hit new streaming service that I'm sure your great

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Speaker 5: uncle has quote. The Daily Wire Plus is the streaming

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Speaker 5: home of The Daily Wire, Jordan Peterson Movies, Praeger, You,

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Speaker 5: and Daily Wire Kids. We're one of America's fastest growing

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Speaker 5: media companies and counter cultural outlets for news, opinion, and entertainment.

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Speaker 5: We're building the future you want to see unquote. That's

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Speaker 5: their their little tagline.

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Speaker 2: Thrilling. Yeah, truly, the new line cinema of racism.

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Speaker 5: Such groundbreaking original content includes My Dinner with Trump.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hadn't even heard of that one.

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Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 2: What is it? Is it actually on My Dinner with

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02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:20,800
Speaker 2: Andrea parody or is it just something completely disconnected that

2424
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Speaker 2: they stole a famous title for.

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Speaker 5: They just stole the famous title.

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Speaker 2: For damn it. It would be really funny if it

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Speaker 2: was just a shot for shot remake of My Dinner

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Speaker 2: with Andre but with but with Andrea as Trump, Like

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Speaker 2: I would. That's respect that's actually respectable. That would I

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Speaker 2: would watch that movie tonight.

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Speaker 5: No, it's it's it's just a film to Dinner with

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Speaker 5: Trump and like various political advisors.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, Oh that's so lame.

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Speaker 5: Do I? I don't believe the Daily Wires releasing their

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Speaker 5: streaming metrics. Just like Netflix, they're keeping them secret. Similar companies, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: very similar. We have other other hit hit documentaries like

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02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:08,360
Speaker 5: Kanye West's Favorite, The Greatest Lie Ever Sold by Canda Sowans.

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Speaker 5: Oh God, an extremely racist misinformation or sorry, disinformation documentary

2439
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:21,640
Speaker 5: about about George Floyd. We have that Mandalorian actresses movie

2440
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:24,760
Speaker 5: Terror on the Prairie. We have a whole bunch of

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02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:28,040
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of stuff from Jordan Peterson after he

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Speaker 5: left uh the University of Toronto and got and got

2443
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:33,800
Speaker 5: kicked off Twitter. That's the exact time that he was

2444
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:36,440
Speaker 5: hired at Daily Wire. He's a whole bunch of stuff

2445
02:10:36,440 --> 02:10:39,680
Speaker 5: of just like roundtable discussions on like the Bible, and

2446
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Speaker 5: I believe he has that dragon mythology.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's great now that that's that's a good show.

2448
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:48,080
Speaker 2: I've watched all of that one that's kozy and we

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02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:49,760
Speaker 2: enjoyed ourselves quite a lot.

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Speaker 5: We have We have a making a Murderer ripoff documentary

2451
02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:57,040
Speaker 5: by Canda so Owens called Convicting a Murderer. Again, truly

2452
02:10:57,280 --> 02:11:02,960
Speaker 5: original stuff. Great, but it's not just movies, TV shows

2453
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:07,000
Speaker 5: and documentaries. It's also like like we mentioned, they're hit

2454
02:11:07,120 --> 02:11:11,720
Speaker 5: podcasts quote. The Daily Wire plus podcast network is America's

2455
02:11:11,800 --> 02:11:15,400
Speaker 5: sixth largest podcast publisher and produces several of the top

2456
02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:18,600
Speaker 5: ranked podcasts in America, including The Ben Shapiro Show, The

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Speaker 5: Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, Candace with Candace Owens, The Matt

2458
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:25,240
Speaker 5: Wall Show, The Michael Knowles Show, and The Morning Wire,

2459
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:28,720
Speaker 5: some of which do quite well on the charts and

2460
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:36,040
Speaker 5: are often sometimes sometimes beaten by Robert's podcast. Anyway, So

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Speaker 5: a little over a year ago, the Daily wire Plus

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02:11:39,320 --> 02:11:43,680
Speaker 5: passed one million subscribers. We don't have any updated numbers

2463
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Speaker 5: on that, so it's probably quite higher now, but at

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Speaker 5: least as of as of around a year ago, they

2465
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:52,360
Speaker 5: had a million subscribers, and again, as of back then,

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Speaker 5: it was bringing in the company two thirds of its

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Speaker 5: annual revenue. I think it was like three or so

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Speaker 5: years ago they were making one hundred million dollars a year,

2469
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:06,520
Speaker 5: so they were making bank across their podcasts and exclusive content.

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Speaker 5: They have over three hundred employees and are still growing

2471
02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:14,879
Speaker 5: and are investing hundreds of millions of dollars into producing

2472
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:19,840
Speaker 5: original entertainment content. In their efforts to influence politics through

2473
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:24,120
Speaker 5: entertainment media, they strive to create cultural events around the

2474
02:12:24,160 --> 02:12:28,040
Speaker 5: release of their original documentaries. The biggest success they've had

2475
02:12:28,080 --> 02:12:30,760
Speaker 5: with this is what was in twenty twenty two with

2476
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:33,960
Speaker 5: What Is a Woman, which rocketed the Daily wire Plus

2477
02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:37,360
Speaker 5: into the online spotlight and proved there was great success

2478
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:42,320
Speaker 5: to be had with this style of aggressive anti trans advocacy.

2479
02:12:42,440 --> 02:12:45,760
Speaker 5: The film also put the previously niche figure of Matt

2480
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:48,920
Speaker 5: Walsh on the map and established Walsh as an authority

2481
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:53,800
Speaker 5: in queer exterminationist campaigning. I've known of Walsh for like

2482
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:57,160
Speaker 5: the past decade. After he had a short lived radio career,

2483
02:12:57,440 --> 02:13:00,839
Speaker 5: he made a name in Christian circles as a provocative blogger,

2484
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:03,880
Speaker 5: sort of like a young firebrand of the Christian right.

2485
02:13:04,240 --> 02:13:07,240
Speaker 5: In the early twenty teens, he had a brief stint

2486
02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:10,440
Speaker 5: at Glenn Beck's The Blaze before being recruited to The

2487
02:13:10,520 --> 02:13:13,680
Speaker 5: Daily Wire in twenty seventeen to do a daily podcast.

2488
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:17,200
Speaker 5: The goal of documentaries such as What Is a Woman

2489
02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:20,960
Speaker 5: beyond growing the Daily Wire's a subscriber count, is also

2490
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:24,760
Speaker 5: to encourage real world action while converting attention from the

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02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:29,560
Speaker 5: documentary into actual real world harassment campaigns and live events,

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02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:32,680
Speaker 5: which fuel even more content. It's like this, It's like

2493
02:13:32,720 --> 02:13:35,680
Speaker 5: this weird content circle that the Daily Wire does. They

2494
02:13:35,800 --> 02:13:38,600
Speaker 5: create content to make these real world events, which then

2495
02:13:38,640 --> 02:13:42,280
Speaker 5: can fuel more content. It's this perfect loop that generates

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02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:45,200
Speaker 5: them a lot of money. On October twenty first, twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty two, the Daily Wire put on a quote rally

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Speaker 5: to end child mutilation at the Tennessee State Capitol, which

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Speaker 5: was streamable on Daily Wire Plus exactly. This is a

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02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:59,280
Speaker 5: perfect example of creating this event that then allows them

2501
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:02,040
Speaker 5: to also create exclusive content for their own streaming service.

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Speaker 5: The Daily Wire has been in cahoots with the state

2503
02:14:05,360 --> 02:14:09,040
Speaker 5: government of Tennessee ever since they first moved their headquarters there.

2504
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:12,200
Speaker 5: Back in twenty twenty one, the General Assembly and Governor

2505
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:15,160
Speaker 5: drafted a resolution welcoming the Daily Wire to the state.

2506
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:18,960
Speaker 5: Jeremy Boring regularly gets invited to dinners at the Governor's mansion.

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02:14:19,600 --> 02:14:22,080
Speaker 5: After the release of What Is a Woman? The Governor

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02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:25,520
Speaker 5: of Tennessee announced an investigation into a transgender health clinic

2509
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:29,200
Speaker 5: in Nashville, and Walsh has made appearances at official state

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02:14:29,240 --> 02:14:33,000
Speaker 5: press conferences, and Tennessee's legislator has led the charge on

2511
02:14:33,160 --> 02:14:37,280
Speaker 5: following the Daily Wire and Walsh's political program to target

2512
02:14:37,320 --> 02:14:41,200
Speaker 5: trans people, ban drag shows, and lobbying school boards to

2513
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:47,880
Speaker 5: ban LGBTQ materials in schools. The Daily Wire was they

2514
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:51,000
Speaker 5: were kind of wise to not get too caught up

2515
02:14:51,120 --> 02:14:54,160
Speaker 5: in the TRUMPI and Mud from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty,

2516
02:14:54,800 --> 02:15:00,000
Speaker 5: instead instead focusing on broader culture war issues ranging from

2517
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:04,640
Speaker 5: anti liberalism, antidiversity, parental rights, religious rights, and attacks on

2518
02:15:04,720 --> 02:15:09,720
Speaker 5: LGBTQ people. But that also means that they didn't peak

2519
02:15:09,800 --> 02:15:11,760
Speaker 5: during the Trump era in the way that a lot

2520
02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:15,360
Speaker 5: of other conservative content people kind of did. They chose

2521
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Speaker 5: not to capitalize on the Trumpian alt right moment, and

2522
02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:22,920
Speaker 5: they were way too smart to go full qan On. Instead,

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Speaker 5: they were kind of waiting on the sidelines, slowly growing

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02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:29,200
Speaker 5: an audience to eventually find the right moment to catalyze

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Speaker 5: more widespread support and thrust themselves into the spotlight, which

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Speaker 5: they have now done by crafting antiqueer propaganda to pick

2527
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Speaker 5: up the baton from the dying QAnon movement while moving

2528
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:45,160
Speaker 5: the needle away from like explicitly q brained shit to

2529
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:48,600
Speaker 5: simple stuff like parental rights and the more socially acceptable

2530
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:52,640
Speaker 5: groomor and save the children talking points. The once more

2531
02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:56,920
Speaker 5: exotic target of pedophilic elites has been shifted to simply

2532
02:15:57,480 --> 02:16:00,720
Speaker 5: any random queer person, which is a much more tangible

2533
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:04,320
Speaker 5: point of iyre and that'shere we're gonna leave us here today,

2534
02:16:04,440 --> 02:16:08,040
Speaker 5: kind of on the point that The Daily Wire waited

2535
02:16:08,480 --> 02:16:11,360
Speaker 5: and found the moment in like the first year or

2536
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:14,560
Speaker 5: two of the Biden presidency to really push themselves to

2537
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:17,680
Speaker 5: be the own spotlight instead of just relying in the

2538
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:20,240
Speaker 5: shadow of Donald Trump in the way that someone like

2539
02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:22,840
Speaker 5: Tucker kind of has now done. He's not nearly as

2540
02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:25,720
Speaker 5: popular as he was in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,

2541
02:16:26,080 --> 02:16:29,000
Speaker 5: and The Daily Wire is now massively influential in a

2542
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:31,840
Speaker 5: way that they were only kind of rising to prominence

2543
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:35,080
Speaker 5: back during the Altright era. So in the next episode,

2544
02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:37,400
Speaker 5: we'll talk a little bit more about The Daily Wire's

2545
02:16:37,480 --> 02:16:42,440
Speaker 5: own anti queer advocacy and their push for original content,

2546
02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:47,320
Speaker 5: including a brand new child focused to streaming service, which

2547
02:16:47,400 --> 02:16:51,959
Speaker 5: I will talk about in the next episode. Anyway, Robert,

2548
02:16:51,959 --> 02:16:53,600
Speaker 5: do you have any do you have any thoughts on

2549
02:16:53,800 --> 02:16:54,680
Speaker 5: the Daily Wire?

2550
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:59,359
Speaker 2: Well, I know that the child grooming service they're building,

2551
02:16:59,480 --> 02:17:01,360
Speaker 2: a big part of what they're looking to do is

2552
02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:03,959
Speaker 2: try to copy the show Bluey, which is like the

2553
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:08,320
Speaker 2: biggest thing in children's entertainment right now, and just casual

2554
02:17:08,400 --> 02:17:12,000
Speaker 2: knowledge of where that is talking to parents and stuff

2555
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Speaker 2: about Bluey, Like, I feel like it might be a

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02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:18,840
Speaker 2: bridge too far for them, because they're they're they're they're

2557
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Speaker 2: trying to go after they're trying to capture like market

2558
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Speaker 2: from something that's legitimately really fucking good, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: just putt it like they're they're kind of most commercially

2560
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Speaker 2: viable movies like the School Shooting Movie are from what

2561
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Speaker 2: I've read in reviews, like just kind of normal mid movies.

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Speaker 2: Like they don't necessarily feel like a daily wire movie. Man,

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Speaker 2: there'll be a couple of points in there maybe, but

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Speaker 2: there they could more or less pass for something you'd

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Speaker 2: see on Netflix or Amazon Prime or whatever, which is

2566
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Speaker 2: you know, if you're competing with mid grade action movies

2567
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:56,879
Speaker 2: and the like that that are a dime a dozen,

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Speaker 2: you can actually do that fairly well. And it's even

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Speaker 2: possible to, like well, the economics of streaming are actually

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Speaker 2: deeply obscured, but theoretically it's possible to do as well

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Speaker 2: with that as Netflix does with it, right because people,

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Speaker 2: But if you're trying to replace a children's show that,

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Speaker 2: like kids consume voraciously and are deeply in love with

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Speaker 2: and is really well made, I think that's actually a

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Speaker 2: lot harder than they're guessing it's going to be. Like,

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Speaker 2: yeahd adults who want something to watch when they're drunk

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02:18:26,400 --> 02:18:29,400
Speaker 2: at night are a harder audience than little kids who

2578
02:18:29,440 --> 02:18:31,920
Speaker 2: are obsessed with a TV show that is the best

2579
02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:32,840
Speaker 2: in its market.

2580
02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:36,760
Speaker 5: It's certainly a gamble, and we will talk more about

2581
02:18:36,760 --> 02:18:40,000
Speaker 5: the details of this gamble in the next episode, as

2582
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:44,440
Speaker 5: we will also eventually eventually talk about their brand new

2583
02:18:44,440 --> 02:18:48,039
Speaker 5: movie that came out last month. Lady Ballers.

2584
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:51,000
Speaker 8: All right, we're done.

2585
02:18:51,800 --> 02:18:53,840
Speaker 2: I feel like I should call hr just because you

2586
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:55,679
Speaker 2: mentioned the name of that movie.

2587
02:18:56,720 --> 02:19:04,959
Speaker 5: See you in the next episode.

2588
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:18,240
Speaker 2: I started the episode Garrison.

2589
02:19:18,200 --> 02:19:22,440
Speaker 5: Really really what an energetic entry into I'm tired.

2590
02:19:23,640 --> 02:19:25,120
Speaker 2: Tell me things that make me sad.

2591
02:19:25,640 --> 02:19:28,920
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't worry, I will. That is my favorite

2592
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:32,760
Speaker 5: thing to do. Let's let's yeah, let's talk about things

2593
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:35,560
Speaker 5: that are actually sad for the first first half of

2594
02:19:35,560 --> 02:19:39,600
Speaker 5: this episode. You know, the past few years, it's kind

2595
02:19:39,640 --> 02:19:44,600
Speaker 5: of been increasingly profitable to be friendly to the gaze,

2596
02:19:44,920 --> 02:19:47,400
Speaker 5: which is kind of a new trend. You know, if

2597
02:19:47,720 --> 02:19:49,480
Speaker 5: if you look at the past twenty years or so,

2598
02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:54,959
Speaker 5: it's becoming more more profitable. Which if you're if you're

2599
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:58,440
Speaker 5: like a queer accelerationist anarchist, maybe maybe that's a bad thing, right,

2600
02:19:59,080 --> 02:20:01,640
Speaker 5: But if you're just trying to like not get killed

2601
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:04,600
Speaker 5: in the interim as the climate collapses, it's you know,

2602
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:11,120
Speaker 5: maybe a good thing. That generally queer acceptance has been improving,

2603
02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:15,720
Speaker 5: but as it's been improven There's also been a pretty

2604
02:20:15,720 --> 02:20:20,160
Speaker 5: sizable backlash from some members of the Christian right who

2605
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:24,560
Speaker 5: don't really like this or are trying to use this

2606
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:28,080
Speaker 5: backlash as a way to promote their own economic interests.

2607
02:20:28,480 --> 02:20:29,960
Speaker 5: And I don't think this needs to be an either

2608
02:20:30,120 --> 02:20:33,200
Speaker 5: or I think this can definitely be a both scenario.

2609
02:20:33,959 --> 02:20:40,920
Speaker 5: Speaking of Matthew Walsh, the Catholic self described fascist, this

2610
02:20:40,959 --> 02:20:43,480
Speaker 5: is going to be kind of the the topic of

2611
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:46,240
Speaker 5: the first half of this because he has been able

2612
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:49,160
Speaker 5: to the work he's done, has been able to really

2613
02:20:49,240 --> 02:20:52,920
Speaker 5: propel The Daily Wire as an actual like political entity

2614
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:57,439
Speaker 5: in a way that Shapiro just never really has. Shapiro

2615
02:20:57,560 --> 02:21:01,440
Speaker 5: was really good at creating eye catching a YouTube clickbait

2616
02:21:01,480 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 5: and stuff, but we never really saw him campaigning hard

2617
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:09,000
Speaker 5: for any political cause. He was never really doing that

2618
02:21:09,160 --> 02:21:09,960
Speaker 5: type of stuff.

2619
02:21:10,840 --> 02:21:13,400
Speaker 2: They come at of different eras in different communities. For

2620
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:18,880
Speaker 2: one thing, Ben Shapiro is Jewish and came of age

2621
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:22,160
Speaker 2: and came into prominence in the early two thousands when

2622
02:21:22,280 --> 02:21:28,199
Speaker 2: conservatives had political power but basically zero like social power

2623
02:21:28,280 --> 02:21:31,480
Speaker 2: as they saw it, right, and so he was always

2624
02:21:31,480 --> 02:21:34,000
Speaker 2: positioned as like, I am sort of the I'm the

2625
02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:38,480
Speaker 2: insurgent conservative, like I'm Rush Limbaugh. You know, I'm going

2626
02:21:38,520 --> 02:21:41,600
Speaker 2: to provide a safe place for you, even though you

2627
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:45,119
Speaker 2: control the government to a large extent, where I can

2628
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:47,600
Speaker 2: yell at and make fun of the people that you

2629
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:49,920
Speaker 2: think are bad. Right, And that's that's the only thing

2630
02:21:49,959 --> 02:21:53,560
Speaker 2: he ever really sought to do, is like lol, liberals dumb.

2631
02:21:53,959 --> 02:21:57,760
Speaker 2: Walsh comes out of the Christian kind of dominionist adjacent

2632
02:21:57,840 --> 02:22:00,520
Speaker 2: movement at the very least, and their goal has always

2633
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:04,520
Speaker 2: been capture the seven pillars of culture, right, And so

2634
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:06,720
Speaker 2: he from the beginning has thought of this more as

2635
02:22:06,760 --> 02:22:11,880
Speaker 2: like I am waging a Christian war against secular society

2636
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:16,320
Speaker 2: and doing so like kind of methodically. So they just

2637
02:22:16,400 --> 02:22:19,160
Speaker 2: kind of have approached what they're doing fundamentally from a

2638
02:22:19,160 --> 02:22:21,120
Speaker 2: different way and came into it at different times.

2639
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:25,800
Speaker 5: Walsh is definitely the most evangelical Catholic I've ever seen,

2640
02:22:26,879 --> 02:22:28,800
Speaker 5: and which is weird because like back when he was

2641
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:31,959
Speaker 5: a popular Christian blogger, his stuff was very popular in

2642
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:35,680
Speaker 5: evangelical circles, even though evangelicals generally are not very friendly

2643
02:22:35,720 --> 02:22:39,680
Speaker 5: to Catholics, but his stuff was widely shared because he

2644
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:44,320
Speaker 5: was quite provocative. Now, he spent a few years just

2645
02:22:44,440 --> 02:22:47,160
Speaker 5: kind of laying low running a podcast at The Daily

2646
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:51,160
Speaker 5: Wire and then What is a Woman? Really? Really propelled

2647
02:22:51,240 --> 02:22:55,320
Speaker 5: him into the spotlight and he got a glimpse of

2648
02:22:55,520 --> 02:23:00,000
Speaker 5: fame and popularity that he's been endlessly trying to replicate.

2649
02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:04,320
Speaker 5: And because this fame was based around hating trans people,

2650
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:07,040
Speaker 5: that is what he's decided to pivot his whole career

2651
02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:10,680
Speaker 5: to doing. That is now his entire focus in life

2652
02:23:11,240 --> 02:23:14,360
Speaker 5: is about how he doesn't like trans people because it

2653
02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:17,600
Speaker 5: was very profitable for him. In twenty twenty two, so

2654
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:21,840
Speaker 5: as a part of an ongoing right wing harassment campaign

2655
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:26,640
Speaker 5: against TikTok influencer and chronic theater kid Dylan mulvaney, Matt

2656
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:30,240
Speaker 5: Walsh started a viral boycott campaign against bud Light for

2657
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:34,200
Speaker 5: having a brand partnership with a trans person. Now, I'm

2658
02:23:34,200 --> 02:23:36,160
Speaker 5: not going to spend too much time here talking about

2659
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:39,120
Speaker 5: right wing boycotts. I'm sure we've all watched, you know,

2660
02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:42,400
Speaker 5: like Nike shoe burnings and Gillette razors being flushed down

2661
02:23:42,440 --> 02:23:46,120
Speaker 5: the toilet and people dropping their Kere eggs off rooftops. Generally,

2662
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:50,160
Speaker 5: boycotts don't tend to work, but this bud Light thing

2663
02:23:50,440 --> 02:23:55,000
Speaker 5: did show some success, and success in this instance specifically

2664
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:58,680
Speaker 5: refers to Walsh and the Daily Wire cronies receiving a

2665
02:23:58,800 --> 02:24:03,120
Speaker 5: lot of attention and free publicity, so they sought to

2666
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:08,400
Speaker 5: replicate this strategy while publicly telegraphing their harassment methodology. Here's

2667
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:11,880
Speaker 5: two tweets from Matt Walsh quote, here's what we should do.

2668
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:14,680
Speaker 5: Pick a victim, gang up on it and make an

2669
02:24:14,680 --> 02:24:17,960
Speaker 5: example of it. We can't boycott every woke company, or

2670
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:20,360
Speaker 5: even most of them, but we can pick one it

2671
02:24:20,400 --> 02:24:24,000
Speaker 5: hardly matters which and target it with a ruthless boycott campaign.

2672
02:24:24,360 --> 02:24:27,480
Speaker 5: Claim one scalp, then move on to the next. Our

2673
02:24:27,560 --> 02:24:31,080
Speaker 5: goal is to make Pride toxic for brands. If they

2674
02:24:31,080 --> 02:24:33,360
Speaker 5: decide to shove this garbage in our face, they should

2675
02:24:33,440 --> 02:24:36,200
Speaker 5: know that they'll pay a price. It won't be worth

2676
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:40,240
Speaker 5: whatever they think they'll gain. First bud Light and now Target.

2677
02:24:40,480 --> 02:24:43,640
Speaker 5: Our campaign is making progress. Let's keep it going so

2678
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:48,600
Speaker 5: as Walsh's said there, Walsh's next target was Target the

2679
02:24:48,959 --> 02:24:52,440
Speaker 5: Department Store, due to the store's history of prominent Pride

2680
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:55,560
Speaker 5: displays in the lead up to Pride Month during twenty

2681
02:24:55,640 --> 02:24:59,680
Speaker 5: twenty three. Target was met with online and in person harassment,

2682
02:24:59,720 --> 02:25:02,840
Speaker 5: with a wave of emails and calls to individual stores,

2683
02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:06,760
Speaker 5: accusing them of grooming and indoctrinating kids with the presence

2684
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:11,840
Speaker 5: of Pride themed apparel. People started ransacking stores, destroying pride displays,

2685
02:25:11,879 --> 02:25:15,760
Speaker 5: threatening violence against employees in person, as well as calling

2686
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:19,480
Speaker 5: in multiple bomb threats into into many, many different stores,

2687
02:25:19,840 --> 02:25:23,360
Speaker 5: mirroring the harassment campaign against trans clinics and hospitals the

2688
02:25:23,440 --> 02:25:27,160
Speaker 5: year prior, which was also spearheaded by Matt Walsh. We've

2689
02:25:27,160 --> 02:25:30,879
Speaker 5: seen this tactic game prominence. This bomb threat tactic is

2690
02:25:30,920 --> 02:25:33,280
Speaker 5: now quite common among the right. We saw it be

2691
02:25:33,480 --> 02:25:36,800
Speaker 5: called into there was there was a lot of bomb

2692
02:25:36,840 --> 02:25:41,120
Speaker 5: threats called into like four hundred synagogues this past winter.

2693
02:25:42,040 --> 02:25:45,280
Speaker 5: That was, you know, most likely done by some form

2694
02:25:45,320 --> 02:25:48,640
Speaker 5: of neo Nazi. But we've just seen this, this specific

2695
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:51,600
Speaker 5: bomb threat tactic pick up a lot because it provides

2696
02:25:51,640 --> 02:25:56,680
Speaker 5: a pretty sizable minor or short term disruption to regular,

2697
02:25:56,840 --> 02:26:02,000
Speaker 5: regular services. Now, in response to this wave of harassment,

2698
02:26:02,280 --> 02:26:05,600
Speaker 5: Target Corporate mandated that many stores remove their front of

2699
02:26:05,640 --> 02:26:09,320
Speaker 5: store pride displays in late May, all across the country,

2700
02:26:09,360 --> 02:26:12,720
Speaker 5: but especially in the South. Target released a statement saying

2701
02:26:12,760 --> 02:26:15,080
Speaker 5: they were quote making adjustments to our plans given these

2702
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:20,199
Speaker 5: volatile circumstances unquote, and these adjustments included relocating or removing

2703
02:26:20,280 --> 02:26:23,959
Speaker 5: Pride displays due to quote threats impacting our team members

2704
02:26:24,040 --> 02:26:26,520
Speaker 5: a sense of safety and well being at work. Quote.

2705
02:26:27,120 --> 02:26:30,760
Speaker 5: Employees were also instructed to specifically remove items quote at

2706
02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:36,760
Speaker 5: the center of the most significant confrontational behavior unquote like shapewear, binders,

2707
02:26:36,840 --> 02:26:40,200
Speaker 5: and a tuck friendly swimwear, and to quote replace them

2708
02:26:40,280 --> 02:26:44,680
Speaker 5: with swimwear to better meet our sales goalsuot now. Walsh

2709
02:26:44,800 --> 02:26:48,119
Speaker 5: claimed that the tuck friendly swimwear was being marketed to kids,

2710
02:26:48,560 --> 02:26:51,560
Speaker 5: but it only came in adult sizes. A lot of

2711
02:26:51,560 --> 02:26:55,200
Speaker 5: this sort of harassment campaign isn't really based on anything truthful,

2712
02:26:55,320 --> 02:26:58,840
Speaker 5: but that doesn't really matter. Here's a quote from Walsh again, quote,

2713
02:26:59,160 --> 02:27:02,520
Speaker 5: I think this Target boycott has real staying power. Target

2714
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:06,000
Speaker 5: has now branded itself as a far left organization to

2715
02:27:06,040 --> 02:27:08,760
Speaker 5: the point where it's embarrassing to shop there. This is

2716
02:27:08,760 --> 02:27:12,000
Speaker 5: the branding that makes the boycott stick. It happened about Light,

2717
02:27:12,320 --> 02:27:15,480
Speaker 5: I think it's happening to Target. This is what conservatives

2718
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:18,520
Speaker 5: have missed in the past with failed boycott attempts. It's

2719
02:27:18,520 --> 02:27:20,680
Speaker 5: not enough to simply tell people not to shop somewhere

2720
02:27:20,760 --> 02:27:22,800
Speaker 5: or buy something. You have to make it so that

2721
02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:29,080
Speaker 5: they don't want to. So after a around five percent

2722
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,520
Speaker 5: sales drop in the second quarter, and again it's hard

2723
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:34,800
Speaker 5: to actually figure out what that can be attributed to.

2724
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:39,360
Speaker 2: Beer sales also hit like their lowest level in recent history. Yes,

2725
02:27:39,440 --> 02:27:40,039
Speaker 2: you're just kind of.

2726
02:27:40,040 --> 02:27:42,200
Speaker 5: A Again, it's hard to see if these things are

2727
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:45,879
Speaker 5: actually working, But that doesn't matter because the right can

2728
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:47,720
Speaker 5: claim them as a success.

2729
02:27:47,879 --> 02:27:48,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2730
02:27:48,400 --> 02:27:52,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Target released an update saying, quote, the reaction

2731
02:27:52,840 --> 02:27:55,560
Speaker 5: is a signal for us to pause, adapt and learn

2732
02:27:55,640 --> 02:27:59,920
Speaker 5: so that our future approach to these moments balances celebration, inclusivity,

2733
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:04,720
Speaker 5: and broad based appeal unquote. And Walsh claimed this announcement

2734
02:28:04,760 --> 02:28:09,560
Speaker 5: as a quote quite massive victory. Now, I hope you know,

2735
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:11,959
Speaker 5: I hope many of us aren't, you know, shopping for

2736
02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:15,200
Speaker 5: Pride products at a store like Target. But for a

2737
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:18,440
Speaker 5: lot of kids and even adults in more conservative areas

2738
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:21,280
Speaker 5: of the country, Target was really the only place to

2739
02:28:21,360 --> 02:28:24,959
Speaker 5: get gender firming clothing like binders and trans friendly swimsuits

2740
02:28:24,959 --> 02:28:27,320
Speaker 5: in person. These things can be tricky to buy online.

2741
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:29,480
Speaker 5: Sometimes you don't want to package showing up to your

2742
02:28:29,560 --> 02:28:31,760
Speaker 5: door if you can't be the one to like open it.

2743
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:34,680
Speaker 5: So Target really was the only place for a lot

2744
02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:38,160
Speaker 5: of people to have access to this kind of stuff. Now,

2745
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:41,760
Speaker 5: last year, Michael Knowles tried to kind of replicate the

2746
02:28:41,800 --> 02:28:45,760
Speaker 5: Matt Walsh strategy because it proved to be very, very successful.

2747
02:28:45,959 --> 02:28:49,359
Speaker 5: So they had Walls going out on doing very similar

2748
02:28:49,440 --> 02:28:52,120
Speaker 5: kind of anti transit speeches. He spoke at a lot

2749
02:28:52,120 --> 02:28:54,440
Speaker 5: of the big conservative conferences talking about how we need

2750
02:28:54,440 --> 02:28:58,840
Speaker 5: to eliminate transgenderism. He jumped on this this boycott stuff

2751
02:28:59,240 --> 02:29:02,320
Speaker 5: and his viewers saying, quote, we need to make the

2752
02:29:02,360 --> 02:29:05,200
Speaker 5: Pride symbol toxic for brands. We need to make companies

2753
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:08,720
Speaker 5: think twice as we're making these symbols culturally toxic. We've

2754
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:11,039
Speaker 5: got to come in with more political force to ban

2755
02:29:11,240 --> 02:29:14,959
Speaker 5: this stuff. Don't back down. The progress conservatives have made

2756
02:29:14,959 --> 02:29:17,240
Speaker 5: on this just between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three,

2757
02:29:17,640 --> 02:29:20,160
Speaker 5: the fact that companies are trying to back off shows

2758
02:29:20,160 --> 02:29:25,320
Speaker 5: that we are winning. Keep pushing much much harder. Unquote

2759
02:29:26,040 --> 02:29:30,560
Speaker 5: and at the very least local governments were responding to

2760
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:33,720
Speaker 5: this sort of thing. In another instance of the government

2761
02:29:33,800 --> 02:29:36,960
Speaker 5: being in cahoots with the Daily Wire, on July fifth,

2762
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:43,120
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, the Attorney's General of Indiana, Arkansas, Idaho Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri,

2763
02:29:43,160 --> 02:29:47,119
Speaker 5: and South Carolina sent a joint letter adjusted to Target's CEO,

2764
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:53,560
Speaker 5: ostensibly threatening legal action against Target for carrying LGBTQ merchandise.

2765
02:29:54,080 --> 02:29:56,240
Speaker 5: I'm going to read some quotes from this letter because

2766
02:29:56,280 --> 02:30:00,120
Speaker 5: it's a really interesting thing that I've never really seen done.

2767
02:30:00,120 --> 02:30:03,440
Speaker 5: Four in terms of like five or six of these

2768
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:08,959
Speaker 5: states all coming together to actually affect the market. Quote.

2769
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:12,720
Speaker 5: Target's pride campaign not only raises concerns under our states

2770
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:16,000
Speaker 5: child protection and parental rights laws, but also against our

2771
02:30:16,040 --> 02:30:20,600
Speaker 5: states economic interests. As Target shareholders, Target's management has a

2772
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:23,520
Speaker 5: finishiary duty to our states as shareholders in the company.

2773
02:30:23,800 --> 02:30:26,560
Speaker 5: The evidence suggests that Targets directors and officers may be

2774
02:30:26,720 --> 02:30:31,560
Speaker 5: negligent in undertaking the pride campaign, which negatively affected Target's

2775
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:36,080
Speaker 5: stock price. Moreover, it may have improperly directed company resources

2776
02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:40,119
Speaker 5: for collateral, political, or social goals unrelated to the companies

2777
02:30:40,360 --> 02:30:44,640
Speaker 5: and its shareholders best's interests. It is likely more profitable

2778
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:47,280
Speaker 5: to sell the type of pride that enshrines the love

2779
02:30:47,360 --> 02:30:52,320
Speaker 5: of the United States. Target's pride campaign alienates, whereas pride

2780
02:30:52,360 --> 02:30:56,440
Speaker 5: in our country unites. Targets management has no duty to

2781
02:30:56,480 --> 02:31:00,640
Speaker 5: fulfill stores with objectionable goods, let alone endor or feature

2782
02:31:00,640 --> 02:31:04,640
Speaker 5: them in attention grabbing displays at the behest of radical activists. However,

2783
02:31:04,879 --> 02:31:07,880
Speaker 5: Target's management does have a fdicciary duty to its shareholders

2784
02:31:08,040 --> 02:31:11,440
Speaker 5: to act in the company's best interests. Target's board and

2785
02:31:11,480 --> 02:31:15,080
Speaker 5: management may not lawfully dilute their findicciary duties to satisfy

2786
02:31:15,080 --> 02:31:18,400
Speaker 5: the boards or the left wing activists desire to foist

2787
02:31:18,600 --> 02:31:23,200
Speaker 5: contentious political or social agendas upon families and children at

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Speaker 5: the expense of the company's hard won goodwill and against

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Speaker 5: its best interests unquote. And it's just generally not a

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02:31:33,160 --> 02:31:35,480
Speaker 5: great sign when the government is trying to convince a

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02:31:35,480 --> 02:31:38,720
Speaker 5: business that it's in their legal and financial interests to

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02:31:38,800 --> 02:31:40,160
Speaker 5: throw the gaze to the wolves.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's also, yeah, that's not how fiduciary duty works. Like, no,

2794
02:31:45,240 --> 02:31:49,360
Speaker 2: it's not a legal principle. It's more of a philosophical

2795
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:53,040
Speaker 2: principle among capitalists that is dominant. But like, you actually

2796
02:31:53,240 --> 02:31:56,520
Speaker 2: are not breaking the law by doing something that's not

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02:31:56,600 --> 02:32:01,160
Speaker 2: in fiduciary interest of your shareholders, among other things, basically

2798
02:32:01,160 --> 02:32:05,920
Speaker 2: impossible to anyway whatever this is all, But it's a

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02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:07,840
Speaker 2: question of like what you can get away with right.

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02:32:07,879 --> 02:32:11,280
Speaker 2: This is what fascists always do, and it's from a

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02:32:11,320 --> 02:32:14,280
Speaker 2: strategic standpoint. If you're looking at the culture war as

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02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:17,720
Speaker 2: a kind of mutual insurgency, it's a strategy of denying

2803
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:20,840
Speaker 2: terrain to the enemy, in this case, access to a

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02:32:20,879 --> 02:32:24,640
Speaker 2: place that is available in basically every state where trans

2805
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:28,320
Speaker 2: people can purchase stuff like binders and get to try

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02:32:28,360 --> 02:32:32,240
Speaker 2: them all like it's making life. It's reducing maneuvering space

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02:32:32,280 --> 02:32:33,560
Speaker 2: for the enemy, as they see it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this campaign worked specifically because of the Christian

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02:32:38,480 --> 02:32:42,280
Speaker 5: rights willingness to use physical violence, property destruction, and threats

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02:32:42,520 --> 02:32:46,279
Speaker 5: against workers to achieve their goals. That is why Target caved,

2811
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:49,440
Speaker 5: because enough of their employees were feeling threatened, enough of

2812
02:32:49,480 --> 02:32:52,400
Speaker 5: their displays were being destroyed and ransacked. No one was

2813
02:32:52,400 --> 02:32:55,680
Speaker 5: held accountable because they're not going to arrest these people

2814
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:59,520
Speaker 5: for the stuff. And that's what causes to really have

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02:33:00,040 --> 02:33:01,000
Speaker 5: any level of success.

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02:33:01,480 --> 02:33:01,760
Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 5: During Pride Month back in twenty twenty three, Starbucks union

2818
02:33:06,120 --> 02:33:09,240
Speaker 5: members began coming forward saying that Starbucks and store managers

2819
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:12,040
Speaker 5: weren't letting employees put up their usual Pride decorations, telling

2820
02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:14,879
Speaker 5: workers that it was a safety concern, citing recent incidents

2821
02:33:14,879 --> 02:33:18,560
Speaker 5: at Target and the manufactured about light controversy. Now Starbucks

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02:33:18,600 --> 02:33:22,400
Speaker 5: Corporate claimed that they made no policy changes regarding pride decorations,

2823
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:26,000
Speaker 5: but that quote, retail leaders continued to work with store

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02:33:26,040 --> 02:33:28,600
Speaker 5: teams to find ways to celebrate their communities, keeping in

2825
02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:32,000
Speaker 5: mind our safety standards unquote. So I think this was

2826
02:33:32,040 --> 02:33:34,920
Speaker 5: more up to kind of like local ownership and local management.

2827
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:39,360
Speaker 5: The union publicized confirmed instances of managers not letting workers

2828
02:33:39,360 --> 02:33:42,200
Speaker 5: wear pride pins or put up flags, and then in

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02:33:42,280 --> 02:33:45,920
Speaker 5: early June, a regional director ordered a collection of one

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02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:50,000
Speaker 5: hundred stores across Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Missouri to throw out

2831
02:33:50,040 --> 02:33:53,200
Speaker 5: pride decorations from previous years and were barred from putting

2832
02:33:53,240 --> 02:33:57,320
Speaker 5: up any pride related decor inside stores. The union claims

2833
02:33:57,320 --> 02:33:59,560
Speaker 5: that there was workers in a total of twenty one

2834
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:02,360
Speaker 5: states that were not allowed to put up pride decorations.

2835
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:07,960
Speaker 5: And I think for the Daily Wire hosts that are

2836
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:11,240
Speaker 5: pushing this sort of stuff, and especially Michael Knowles, especially

2837
02:34:11,320 --> 02:34:15,800
Speaker 5: Matt Walsh, their motive is deeply theological for this, But

2838
02:34:16,400 --> 02:34:21,200
Speaker 5: for the Daily Wire, this is deeply economical because all

2839
02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:24,520
Speaker 5: of this also serves as free advertising for the Daily

2840
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:27,480
Speaker 5: Wire and it builds the personal brand of their hosts,

2841
02:34:27,640 --> 02:34:30,840
Speaker 5: which is the very thing that Jeremy Boring was trying

2842
02:34:30,879 --> 02:34:33,480
Speaker 5: to get started with Ben Shapiro back during Truth Revolt.

2843
02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:36,640
Speaker 5: This was his whole idea was building up the personal

2844
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:41,440
Speaker 5: brand of these of these right wing media figures, and

2845
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:44,879
Speaker 5: all of this anti queer stuff provides really, really great

2846
02:34:44,920 --> 02:34:49,560
Speaker 5: marketing to propel these one time very niche figures into

2847
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:53,440
Speaker 5: actual national spotlight. Do you know what else deserves to

2848
02:34:53,440 --> 02:34:55,199
Speaker 5: be put into the spotlight, Robert.

2849
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:59,080
Speaker 2: Now, that's a crime. All of my ideas are to

2850
02:34:59,080 --> 02:35:00,680
Speaker 2: suggest crime. Let's just move on.

2851
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:04,760
Speaker 5: Let's just let's you know, I think ads deserves huh.

2852
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:19,959
Speaker 5: There we go the spotlight. Great, all right, we are back.

2853
02:35:20,520 --> 02:35:24,800
Speaker 5: It's once again time to talk about the Daily Wire

2854
02:35:24,879 --> 02:35:28,400
Speaker 5: Plus and their and their hit new streaming service. So

2855
02:35:30,360 --> 02:35:34,000
Speaker 5: when Jeremy Boring announced the Daily Wire Plus back in

2856
02:35:34,440 --> 02:35:38,160
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, the early marketing was made in response

2857
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:42,680
Speaker 5: to the Disney Company having very very very very slight

2858
02:35:42,840 --> 02:35:47,920
Speaker 5: pushback on Florida's Don't Say Gay Bill. Now, a big

2859
02:35:47,959 --> 02:35:50,640
Speaker 5: part of the Daily Wire Plus announcement was about how

2860
02:35:50,920 --> 02:35:55,200
Speaker 5: Disney has been woke afying children's TV shows, and so

2861
02:35:55,400 --> 02:35:57,920
Speaker 5: the Daily Wire decided to position itself as a safe

2862
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:01,720
Speaker 5: alternative media hub for conservative families. I'm going to play

2863
02:36:01,879 --> 02:36:03,760
Speaker 5: a short clip from the announcement.

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02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:07,400
Speaker 9: There is unbelievable kids content in the market. The beauty

2865
02:36:07,440 --> 02:36:10,720
Speaker 9: of kids content is that, unlike adult content, there's always

2866
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:12,520
Speaker 9: new kids and they go back.

2867
02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:12,840
Speaker 3: And watch it.

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02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:17,000
Speaker 9: So there's an unbelievable library of content. Most of it's

2869
02:36:17,040 --> 02:36:19,440
Speaker 9: at Disney, let's be honest. But it's not that the

2870
02:36:19,480 --> 02:36:22,720
Speaker 9: content isn't great. It's that you can't trust the platform.

2871
02:36:22,879 --> 02:36:24,600
Speaker 9: You can't put your kids in front of a classic

2872
02:36:24,680 --> 02:36:26,800
Speaker 9: piece of Disney content because you don't know that the

2873
02:36:26,879 --> 02:36:29,120
Speaker 9: very next thing that plays won't be that not so

2874
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:32,760
Speaker 9: secret gay agenda that teaches your daughter that she's a boy.

2875
02:36:34,280 --> 02:36:37,800
Speaker 9: That's why we have to have Daily wire Plus. So

2876
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:43,199
Speaker 9: that is what they're framing the Daily wire Plus ass

2877
02:36:42,920 --> 02:36:48,960
Speaker 9: That's why the Daily wire Plus is important. Also, I

2878
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:51,199
Speaker 9: love how he said that kid's content is so profitable

2879
02:36:51,440 --> 02:36:55,920
Speaker 9: because there keeps being kids, unlike adult content, which doesn't

2880
02:36:55,959 --> 02:36:57,359
Speaker 9: make any sense because.

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02:36:57,440 --> 02:37:02,200
Speaker 2: Kids we stopped a but like a plague hit, it

2882
02:37:02,920 --> 02:37:06,480
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense at all. Yeah, that's like a

2883
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:10,520
Speaker 2: reverse Children of Men sort of deal. Anyway, God, what

2884
02:37:10,600 --> 02:37:13,280
Speaker 2: a mess that would be man. That's not a bad

2885
02:37:13,320 --> 02:37:16,360
Speaker 2: idea for a movie. Just people keep making more babies,

2886
02:37:16,360 --> 02:37:19,880
Speaker 2: but they never grow up. So just like a dwindling

2887
02:37:19,959 --> 02:37:24,120
Speaker 2: number of adults and infinite babies. That's not bad, not

2888
02:37:24,200 --> 02:37:25,000
Speaker 2: a bad idea.

2889
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:28,360
Speaker 5: This is why I like watching Jeremy Boring because there's

2890
02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:34,039
Speaker 5: so many moments like this, because he's so not charismatic,

2891
02:37:34,440 --> 02:37:40,000
Speaker 5: but his complete void just makes I just can't stop

2892
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:41,039
Speaker 5: staring into the void.

2893
02:37:41,560 --> 02:37:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I already just listening to thirty seconds of him.

2894
02:37:44,600 --> 02:37:48,080
Speaker 2: I've had an idea for a multimillion dollar adaptation, gritty

2895
02:37:48,120 --> 02:37:50,600
Speaker 2: adaptation of the rug Rats. I think we could, really

2896
02:37:50,840 --> 02:37:52,120
Speaker 2: we can make a lot of money with this.

2897
02:37:53,640 --> 02:37:57,640
Speaker 5: So a press release put out by The Daily Wire

2898
02:37:57,680 --> 02:38:02,520
Speaker 5: itself went into more detail about the company's child content initiative.

2899
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:07,480
Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna read this, this is a direct quote quote.

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02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:12,520
Speaker 5: On Wednesday evening, the Daily Wire's co CEO and god King,

2901
02:38:12,760 --> 02:38:16,760
Speaker 5: Jeremy Boring, announced that the Daily Wire company town Hall

2902
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:19,600
Speaker 5: that the company will invest a minimum of one hundred

2903
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:22,280
Speaker 5: million dollars over the next three years into a line

2904
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:25,959
Speaker 5: of live action and animated children's entertainment on its streaming

2905
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:30,720
Speaker 5: platform unquote, and that that term God King is constantly

2906
02:38:30,760 --> 02:38:34,320
Speaker 5: how Jeremy refers to himself, which I guess is supposed

2907
02:38:34,360 --> 02:38:37,440
Speaker 5: to be a joke, but the fact that he does

2908
02:38:37,440 --> 02:38:40,800
Speaker 5: it at all is is is the actual joke that

2909
02:38:41,160 --> 02:38:44,760
Speaker 5: the fact that he just calls himself the God King

2910
02:38:44,959 --> 02:38:47,880
Speaker 5: is what a what a perfect look into the soul

2911
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:53,680
Speaker 5: of just a completely dead man. Yeah, he the God

2912
02:38:53,800 --> 02:38:57,560
Speaker 5: King of the Daily Wire. That's that's been like rewritten

2913
02:38:57,600 --> 02:39:03,200
Speaker 5: in like deadline variety. Actual publications have been forced to

2914
02:39:03,240 --> 02:39:08,600
Speaker 5: write the God King Jeremy boring anyway. So to start

2915
02:39:08,600 --> 02:39:12,560
Speaker 5: this child content initiative, Jeremy brought some writers from Netflix's

2916
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:16,840
Speaker 5: Veggietails and The Babylon Bee to head up their kid's content.

2917
02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:19,680
Speaker 5: I have a picture in my script here that Robert

2918
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:23,880
Speaker 5: can see of Eric Brand's gum, which is a great name.

2919
02:39:24,120 --> 02:39:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is an amazing name.

2920
02:39:26,320 --> 02:39:29,080
Speaker 5: Who is the co creator of the first Daily Wire

2921
02:39:29,160 --> 02:39:32,280
Speaker 5: kids show, Chip Chilla and Robert. Do you want to

2922
02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:34,920
Speaker 5: describe what's in this picture of Eric?

2923
02:39:35,560 --> 02:39:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there is a heavy set man wearing a

2924
02:39:39,720 --> 02:39:42,560
Speaker 2: T shirt that is, to be frank a little tighter

2925
02:39:42,600 --> 02:39:45,800
Speaker 2: than is comfortable. He's got a red beard, he has

2926
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:49,000
Speaker 2: sunglasses on. It looks like right, up above his hairline.

2927
02:39:49,360 --> 02:39:52,800
Speaker 2: A massive Confederate flag lines the wall behind him, and

2928
02:39:52,840 --> 02:39:56,240
Speaker 2: he appears to be casually pointing a handgun at his

2929
02:39:56,280 --> 02:40:00,000
Speaker 2: penis at his dick. Yes, yes, can't tell if it's

2930
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:01,959
Speaker 2: fingers through the trigger guard, but I hope so.

2931
02:40:02,440 --> 02:40:05,959
Speaker 5: Yeah. So that is the co creator of Chipchilla, which

2932
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:08,720
Speaker 5: we will we will get to in a sec Now,

2933
02:40:10,480 --> 02:40:10,959
Speaker 5: I don't know this.

2934
02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:14,480
Speaker 2: Also, there are four to six moist spots on his

2935
02:40:14,600 --> 02:40:19,800
Speaker 2: shirt and it does not It doesn't. It's not a

2936
02:40:19,840 --> 02:40:22,600
Speaker 2: flattering look. I'm not body shaming the man. I'm just

2937
02:40:22,640 --> 02:40:25,960
Speaker 2: saying there are four to six moist spots on his shirt,

2938
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:28,680
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't want to be filmed with with that

2939
02:40:28,760 --> 02:40:31,080
Speaker 2: many moist spots on my shirt while pointing a gun

2940
02:40:31,120 --> 02:40:32,920
Speaker 2: at my dick in front of a Confederate flag.

2941
02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Now.

2942
02:40:34,240 --> 02:40:38,560
Speaker 5: I don't know if this is either despite or because

2943
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:41,880
Speaker 5: of The Daily Wire's constant attacks on how Disney has

2944
02:40:41,879 --> 02:40:45,039
Speaker 5: a gay agenda, But The Daily Wire did manage to

2945
02:40:45,080 --> 02:40:48,560
Speaker 5: acquire some talent from Disney. In August of twenty twenty two,

2946
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:52,039
Speaker 5: they recruited the showrunner of the Emmy winning animated series

2947
02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:56,720
Speaker 5: Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure, Chris Sonnenberg to be the Senior VP

2948
02:40:56,879 --> 02:41:00,480
Speaker 5: of Animation Development and Production at The Daily Wire. Now

2949
02:41:00,720 --> 02:41:04,200
Speaker 5: they most likely got this guy the Jeremy Borings and

2950
02:41:04,200 --> 02:41:08,680
Speaker 5: Sonnenberg's mutual friend Zachary Levi, who again was in was

2951
02:41:08,680 --> 02:41:11,920
Speaker 5: in Boring's first movie, and Zachary Levi also starred as

2952
02:41:11,959 --> 02:41:16,560
Speaker 5: Flinn Ryder Entangled and This and This Tangled animated series

2953
02:41:16,560 --> 02:41:19,080
Speaker 5: for the Disney Channel. So I'm guessing this is how

2954
02:41:19,120 --> 02:41:22,200
Speaker 5: this connection was made. But yeah, so this this guy

2955
02:41:22,200 --> 02:41:26,519
Speaker 5: who was actually like a very successful, like mainstream showrunner

2956
02:41:26,640 --> 02:41:31,360
Speaker 5: for animated animated shows, some somehow decided to agree to

2957
02:41:31,360 --> 02:41:33,720
Speaker 5: get hired by The Daily Wire. And this is this

2958
02:41:33,800 --> 02:41:38,800
Speaker 5: is now his jobs overseeing the animated production for chip Chilla.

2959
02:41:38,800 --> 02:41:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is the Bluey knock off. I mean, yes,

2960
02:41:41,320 --> 02:41:43,240
Speaker 2: I get it, among other things. There's been a lot

2961
02:41:43,240 --> 02:41:45,400
Speaker 2: of layoffs and animation. I have no doubt that a

2962
02:41:45,480 --> 02:41:50,600
Speaker 2: number of people who don't align ideologically but are desperate

2963
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:53,720
Speaker 2: for a job and just more morally flexible than others

2964
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:55,960
Speaker 2: are going to wind up working for this project.

2965
02:41:56,879 --> 02:42:03,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So this past October, the Daily Wire's multi

2966
02:42:03,959 --> 02:42:07,840
Speaker 5: year initiative to create a slate of children's programming finally

2967
02:42:07,920 --> 02:42:11,760
Speaker 5: had something to show. In another live streamed announcement, Jeremy

2968
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:15,960
Speaker 5: Boring ranted about how Disney is using their parent trusted

2969
02:42:16,040 --> 02:42:23,120
Speaker 5: brand to quote indoctrinate children into the LGBTQIA cult unquote. Now,

2970
02:42:23,240 --> 02:42:27,160
Speaker 5: while he praised Walt Disney as an American entrepreneur, Jeremy

2971
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:30,920
Speaker 5: Boring derided the current state of the Disney Company as

2972
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:34,840
Speaker 5: quote pushing all of the worst excesses of the woke left,

2973
02:42:35,440 --> 02:42:40,359
Speaker 5: including paying for employees abortions, promoting anti racism training end quote,

2974
02:42:40,600 --> 02:42:43,199
Speaker 5: going to war on behalf of the left wing social

2975
02:42:43,240 --> 02:42:49,280
Speaker 5: policy in Florida. Unquote. Boring framed Disney's quite tame political

2976
02:42:49,320 --> 02:42:54,280
Speaker 5: stances as a huge cultural loss for conservatives. And here's

2977
02:42:54,320 --> 02:42:55,480
Speaker 5: a part of that announcement.

2978
02:42:56,160 --> 02:42:58,600
Speaker 10: It would be impossible to overstate just how big a

2979
02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:02,280
Speaker 10: loss this is for Americans. Wuper even basic reality, Disney

2980
02:43:02,280 --> 02:43:06,280
Speaker 10: controls the greatest content library ever created. Their cultural reach,

2981
02:43:06,360 --> 02:43:10,360
Speaker 10: particularly with children, is beyond anything that's ever existed. Recognizing

2982
02:43:10,360 --> 02:43:12,480
Speaker 10: the scope of this loss, the Daily Wire announced that

2983
02:43:12,480 --> 02:43:15,240
Speaker 10: we would spend one hundred million dollars over three years

2984
02:43:15,560 --> 02:43:18,680
Speaker 10: to begin our own kids entertainment company, and today, on

2985
02:43:18,760 --> 02:43:21,199
Speaker 10: the one hundredth anniversary of the day Walt Disney founded

2986
02:43:21,240 --> 02:43:24,160
Speaker 10: his company. I'm proud to announce the launch of ours,

2987
02:43:24,800 --> 02:43:28,640
Speaker 10: introducing bent Key and Entirely New Companies for The Daily Wire,

2988
02:43:28,920 --> 02:43:31,960
Speaker 10: a company dedicated to creating the next generation of timeless

2989
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:35,720
Speaker 10: stories to transport kids into a world of adventure, imagination,

2990
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:36,400
Speaker 10: and joy.

2991
02:43:36,959 --> 02:43:42,800
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, so bent bent Key, Robert, how do you

2992
02:43:42,800 --> 02:43:48,440
Speaker 5: feel about one? The name, the name bent Key, and

2993
02:43:48,600 --> 02:43:51,360
Speaker 5: the and the the bent Key logo.

2994
02:43:51,800 --> 02:43:55,080
Speaker 2: The bent Key logo looks like a flaccid penis.

2995
02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:57,960
Speaker 5: He does kind of look like a flacid penis. Y.

2996
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:03,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's not an appealing name. You know.

2997
02:44:03,360 --> 02:44:06,400
Speaker 2: One thing you've got to say for Walt Disney, and

2998
02:44:06,520 --> 02:44:09,480
Speaker 2: I guess it's impossible to say. Like my head says,

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02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:12,760
Speaker 2: there's something just kind of inherently attractive about the last

3000
02:44:12,840 --> 02:44:15,640
Speaker 2: name Disney. Yeah, but like made it always a good brand.

3001
02:44:15,720 --> 02:44:18,760
Speaker 2: But maybe if, like, if he'd been named Bluffo, would

3002
02:44:18,760 --> 02:44:23,439
Speaker 2: it have worked? Would Bluffo Entertainment be the cultural powerhouse

3003
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:27,440
Speaker 2: that it became. I can't even we can't answer Disney's

3004
02:44:27,440 --> 02:44:29,160
Speaker 2: such a thing. You can't answer it even.

3005
02:44:29,400 --> 02:44:32,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, they could have gone with a boring entertainment. But

3006
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:32,760
Speaker 5: I guess they.

3007
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not gonna happen. Bluffo's a better one

3008
02:44:35,840 --> 02:44:36,360
Speaker 2: than boring.

3009
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:40,959
Speaker 5: But yeah, bent keys. That's the word bent and the

3010
02:44:40,959 --> 02:44:45,080
Speaker 5: word key, and yeah, the logo is this lowercase B

3011
02:44:45,240 --> 02:44:47,959
Speaker 5: with a little droopy arm connecting to the letter K.

3012
02:44:49,480 --> 02:44:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, which doesn't really look like a key, but does

3013
02:44:52,920 --> 02:44:56,000
Speaker 2: look a little bit like an abstracted penis. You've got

3014
02:44:56,000 --> 02:44:58,160
Speaker 2: the B part kind of forming the head. You've got

3015
02:44:58,160 --> 02:45:00,879
Speaker 2: the ties of the key are two ball. I would

3016
02:45:00,879 --> 02:45:03,080
Speaker 2: have given it three times if I was making the key,

3017
02:45:03,240 --> 02:45:04,879
Speaker 2: just so it didn't look like balls.

3018
02:45:07,640 --> 02:45:07,840
Speaker 4: Ah.

3019
02:45:08,320 --> 02:45:12,120
Speaker 5: Well, do you know what else is a really important

3020
02:45:12,120 --> 02:45:17,760
Speaker 5: announcement that we have for our audience now, it's these

3021
02:45:17,800 --> 02:45:20,840
Speaker 5: products and services that support this podcast to pay close attention.

3022
02:45:21,160 --> 02:45:25,040
Speaker 5: This is crucial information about the fight for America and

3023
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:40,800
Speaker 5: to secure our values. Okay, all right, we are back

3024
02:45:40,879 --> 02:45:43,920
Speaker 5: back to talk about bent Key Entertainment, the new hit

3025
02:45:43,959 --> 02:45:50,520
Speaker 5: streaming service that your kids can enjoy. So the Daily

3026
02:45:50,520 --> 02:45:53,360
Speaker 5: Wire Kids content used to be under the banner of

3027
02:45:53,640 --> 02:45:58,520
Speaker 5: just Daily Wire Kids or DW Kids, right, and the

3028
02:45:58,680 --> 02:46:01,960
Speaker 5: choice to rebrand, even with a name as silly as

3029
02:46:02,040 --> 02:46:04,240
Speaker 5: bent Key, I think is actually one of their smarter

3030
02:46:04,400 --> 02:46:07,879
Speaker 5: moves here. They recognize that The Daily Wire is a

3031
02:46:07,959 --> 02:46:11,440
Speaker 5: very politically charged and possibly limiting title if they want

3032
02:46:11,480 --> 02:46:16,520
Speaker 5: to create a growing children's media company. Now Ever, since

3033
02:46:16,600 --> 02:46:18,880
Speaker 5: what is a Woman and up to their most recent

3034
02:46:18,959 --> 02:46:22,920
Speaker 5: releases like Ladyballers, the name the Daily Wire has actually

3035
02:46:22,920 --> 02:46:26,320
Speaker 5: been hidden or not included in like legal contracts and

3036
02:46:26,400 --> 02:46:29,400
Speaker 5: forms when people are signing up to these projects. So

3037
02:46:30,040 --> 02:46:32,959
Speaker 5: I think bent Key allows them to cast the widest

3038
02:46:32,959 --> 02:46:35,520
Speaker 5: net possible to not only you get people to buy

3039
02:46:35,560 --> 02:46:37,959
Speaker 5: their service, but also to get people to collaborate with

3040
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:41,200
Speaker 5: them on media. And it also like it also works

3041
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:44,000
Speaker 5: to attract parents that might not even be aware of

3042
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:47,400
Speaker 5: what the Daily Wire is. It's just this new kids

3043
02:46:47,480 --> 02:46:52,280
Speaker 5: streaming service company. And also bent Key Ventures also happens

3044
02:46:52,320 --> 02:46:54,879
Speaker 5: to be the name of The Daily Wire's parent company,

3045
02:46:55,080 --> 02:46:58,440
Speaker 5: so that's probably why they picked it. I still don't

3046
02:46:58,440 --> 02:47:01,600
Speaker 5: know what bent Key means, but it's also the name

3047
02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:04,240
Speaker 5: of the parent company for The Daily Wire, which is

3048
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:06,920
Speaker 5: probably the name they're gonna use for a lot of

3049
02:47:06,920 --> 02:47:08,920
Speaker 5: like their contracts. And they're trying to like get like

3050
02:47:09,320 --> 02:47:12,720
Speaker 5: actors and like producers to sign into their stuff, because

3051
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:15,920
Speaker 5: whenever someone sees the Daily Wire on something, if they're

3052
02:47:16,160 --> 02:47:20,200
Speaker 5: smart at all they'll be like, absolutely not. But if

3053
02:47:20,240 --> 02:47:23,039
Speaker 5: the word bent key is on there instead, maybe that

3054
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:27,600
Speaker 5: won't raise as many red flags. So the new child

3055
02:47:27,680 --> 02:47:32,160
Speaker 5: focused app is available for only ninety nine dollars a year.

3056
02:47:32,959 --> 02:47:37,640
Speaker 5: Hell hell of a steal. Wow And at launch included

3057
02:47:37,959 --> 02:47:41,800
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty episodes across eighteen different shows, four

3058
02:47:41,840 --> 02:47:45,240
Speaker 5: of which were produced in house, with new episodes airing

3059
02:47:45,360 --> 02:47:50,640
Speaker 5: every Saturday morning. Their flagship show, Chipchilla is about a

3060
02:47:50,680 --> 02:47:55,840
Speaker 5: family of homeschooled chinchillas. Now, some have pointed out that

3061
02:47:55,280 --> 02:47:59,000
Speaker 5: this appears to be a blatant conservative ripoff of the

3062
02:47:59,160 --> 02:48:04,000
Speaker 5: very popular kid show Bluey. Yes, and I have I

3063
02:48:04,040 --> 02:48:06,920
Speaker 5: have a picture comparing Blue and Chip Chilla.

3064
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:09,959
Speaker 2: Here the same fucking animation style.

3065
02:48:09,879 --> 02:48:14,280
Speaker 5: Yeah except except. I think this also shows that if

3066
02:48:14,280 --> 02:48:16,400
Speaker 5: you've seen any of the Blue art, you can compare

3067
02:48:16,440 --> 02:48:19,560
Speaker 5: it to the Chip Chilla art. They do look similar

3068
02:48:19,560 --> 02:48:22,520
Speaker 5: in like color palette, but there is a massive difference

3069
02:48:22,560 --> 02:48:25,720
Speaker 5: in like the appealing design of Blue, which actually looks

3070
02:48:25,800 --> 02:48:30,040
Speaker 5: pretty good versus the the design of the Chip Chilla

3071
02:48:30,120 --> 02:48:33,640
Speaker 5: characters just looks slightly off it. It looks kind of

3072
02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:35,760
Speaker 5: like they're all on like half a tab of acid

3073
02:48:36,200 --> 02:48:41,200
Speaker 5: versus Yeah, versus Bluey looks like has like pretty good

3074
02:48:41,280 --> 02:48:43,280
Speaker 5: character design like it has it has a lot of

3075
02:48:43,440 --> 02:48:46,119
Speaker 5: it has a lot of range for like expressions versus

3076
02:48:46,200 --> 02:48:48,400
Speaker 5: everyone in chip Chilla just all has the same like

3077
02:48:48,440 --> 02:48:49,400
Speaker 5: a wide eyed look.

3078
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:54,560
Speaker 2: Pretty widely considered to be like one of the better

3079
02:48:54,840 --> 02:48:57,640
Speaker 2: children's animated shows. That's that's just existed.

3080
02:48:58,120 --> 02:49:04,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so somehow, somehow the Blue Dog Show must have

3081
02:49:04,040 --> 02:49:08,199
Speaker 5: been too woke. So instead in the Daily Wires version,

3082
02:49:08,400 --> 02:49:11,480
Speaker 5: the kids are all homeschooled and operate as like a

3083
02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:16,280
Speaker 5: stereotypical nuclear family. Mm hmm, so this was This was

3084
02:49:16,280 --> 02:49:19,640
Speaker 5: the first show they announced, but they have others. Their

3085
02:49:19,680 --> 02:49:22,840
Speaker 5: other original content includes a show where a middle aged

3086
02:49:22,879 --> 02:49:25,480
Speaker 5: woman talks to a dog puppet.

3087
02:49:25,840 --> 02:49:28,519
Speaker 2: God So yeah, lamb Chop okay.

3088
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:32,480
Speaker 5: And two other original live action shows star child actors

3089
02:49:32,520 --> 02:49:36,680
Speaker 5: that teach fitness and history to kids. And all of

3090
02:49:37,280 --> 02:49:39,720
Speaker 5: between all of the Daily Wire original content I've watched.

3091
02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:42,119
Speaker 5: The thing I feel most uncomfortable about is the amount

3092
02:49:42,120 --> 02:49:45,000
Speaker 5: of child actors who've been forced into doing this, who

3093
02:49:45,080 --> 02:49:48,400
Speaker 5: don't know anything about The Daily Wire or politics. They're

3094
02:49:48,440 --> 02:49:50,440
Speaker 5: just these poor kids who have now been forced to

3095
02:49:50,440 --> 02:49:54,160
Speaker 5: participate in this like evil machine. Now I'm going to

3096
02:49:54,200 --> 02:49:56,640
Speaker 5: play a one minute, one minute trailer for Robert. I'm

3097
02:49:56,640 --> 02:49:58,480
Speaker 5: not going to play it for the audience here because

3098
02:49:58,720 --> 02:50:01,160
Speaker 5: you don't need to just hear this add but you

3099
02:50:01,200 --> 02:50:05,120
Speaker 5: will hear our reactions afterwards. So here's for Robert. Here

3100
02:50:05,200 --> 02:50:10,320
Speaker 5: is the trailer for bent Key. Oh God, how'd you

3101
02:50:10,320 --> 02:50:12,560
Speaker 5: feel about the bent Key trailer? Robert?

3102
02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we'll see if it

3103
02:50:15,280 --> 02:50:17,680
Speaker 2: takes off. I'm sure it could be a profitable business,

3104
02:50:17,959 --> 02:50:21,520
Speaker 2: right yeah, yeah, yeah, in terms of capturing the wider

3105
02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:24,720
Speaker 2: cultural market, I don't see it being a Disney level

3106
02:50:24,760 --> 02:50:29,600
Speaker 2: success or even like a Nickelodeon level success. I'm looking

3107
02:50:29,640 --> 02:50:32,320
Speaker 2: at it right now on Twitter. It's got four hundred

3108
02:50:32,320 --> 02:50:37,080
Speaker 2: and ninety likes and six hundred something thousand views. So again,

3109
02:50:37,640 --> 02:50:40,000
Speaker 2: I can see them getting enough downloads to make this

3110
02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:44,000
Speaker 2: maybe worthwhile enough. If they're spending thirty million or more

3111
02:50:44,040 --> 02:50:47,560
Speaker 2: a year on production, that is going to be kind

3112
02:50:47,560 --> 02:50:50,240
Speaker 2: of hard, especially given like bandwidth costs and shit to

3113
02:50:51,080 --> 02:50:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll say, yeah, I'm surprised if it's

3114
02:50:53,480 --> 02:50:56,320
Speaker 2: able to be a functional business. I don't think. I

3115
02:50:56,320 --> 02:50:58,520
Speaker 2: don't see anything on there that makes me think, oh

3116
02:50:58,560 --> 02:50:59,959
Speaker 2: this is kids are going to fall in love with

3117
02:51:00,120 --> 02:51:05,080
Speaker 2: this shit. Most of these, most great like children's networks

3118
02:51:06,120 --> 02:51:11,279
Speaker 2: and children's like entertainment companies, were driven by iconic successes

3119
02:51:11,360 --> 02:51:15,240
Speaker 2: that like absolutely took over and were like dominant culturally.

3120
02:51:15,280 --> 02:51:21,959
Speaker 2: You think about like in the early nineties, shit like Aladdin, right,

3121
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:26,240
Speaker 2: and like or The Lion King, how fucking everywhere and

3122
02:51:26,360 --> 02:51:29,080
Speaker 2: how a generation before you had, you know, the earlier

3123
02:51:29,120 --> 02:51:32,039
Speaker 2: generation of Disney animated movies. You think about stuff like

3124
02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:36,400
Speaker 2: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or like the Uh. That

3125
02:51:36,480 --> 02:51:39,480
Speaker 2: kind of stuff was was not just it was dominant

3126
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:42,720
Speaker 2: among kids, but it also like adults continue to watch

3127
02:51:42,800 --> 02:51:45,960
Speaker 2: it for generations. And I've never run into anybody outside

3128
02:51:45,959 --> 02:51:48,160
Speaker 2: of weird right wings, outside of not even weird right

3129
02:51:48,200 --> 02:51:50,960
Speaker 2: wing circles. I've never run out into anybody who has

3130
02:51:51,000 --> 02:51:53,680
Speaker 2: not work for The Daily Wire talking about these shows.

3131
02:51:53,879 --> 02:51:56,920
Speaker 5: Yes, and I think there's a few things about that.

3132
02:51:57,000 --> 02:51:59,600
Speaker 5: I think One, they don't need kids to like it.

3133
02:51:59,640 --> 02:52:02,679
Speaker 5: They only need parents to pay the annual.

3134
02:52:02,320 --> 02:52:04,959
Speaker 2: Fee, yeah, for it to make sense as a business,

3135
02:52:05,320 --> 02:52:08,520
Speaker 2: for it to do culturally what they want rather more

3136
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:09,560
Speaker 2: as required.

3137
02:52:09,720 --> 02:52:11,800
Speaker 5: At least a few years ago, they were pulling in

3138
02:52:11,840 --> 02:52:14,960
Speaker 5: over one hundred million dollars in revenue per year. And

3139
02:52:16,160 --> 02:52:18,000
Speaker 5: one thing that Daily Wire has shown is that they

3140
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:20,040
Speaker 5: are kind of playing the long game with this sort

3141
02:52:20,040 --> 02:52:22,360
Speaker 5: of stuff. They're not looking for short term profit. They're

3142
02:52:22,360 --> 02:52:27,360
Speaker 5: looking to slowly build dominance in this industry, mostly to

3143
02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:31,040
Speaker 5: just fulfill Jeremy and Ben's dreams of working in Hollywood.

3144
02:52:31,080 --> 02:52:33,680
Speaker 5: Like that's all this is, is that they're trying to

3145
02:52:33,760 --> 02:52:36,600
Speaker 5: fill their childhood dreams of making movies. So all of

3146
02:52:36,640 --> 02:52:39,560
Speaker 5: this is just being put towards making industry connections to

3147
02:52:39,600 --> 02:52:44,320
Speaker 5: be able to actually just make TV and films like that.

3148
02:52:43,959 --> 02:52:47,840
Speaker 5: That's all this is actually for. So which leads us

3149
02:52:47,920 --> 02:52:53,039
Speaker 5: to the most ambitious upcoming bent Key production, a live

3150
02:52:53,160 --> 02:52:57,119
Speaker 5: action fairy tale adaption written by Jeremy Boring in response

3151
02:52:57,200 --> 02:53:02,920
Speaker 5: to Disney's own upcoming remake of their class film snow White.

3152
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:05,440
Speaker 10: The company Disney found it doesn't agree with their founder

3153
02:53:05,480 --> 02:53:09,080
Speaker 10: and visionary they're remaking their own iconic film nearly one

3154
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:12,199
Speaker 10: hundred years later. They've decided to make some key changes.

3155
02:53:12,920 --> 02:53:15,760
Speaker 10: Their lead actress the new snow White, Rachel Ziegler, has

3156
02:53:15,760 --> 02:53:19,160
Speaker 10: summed it up saying, quote, I just mean it's no

3157
02:53:19,240 --> 02:53:22,480
Speaker 10: longer nineteen thirty seven. We absolutely wrote a snow White

3158
02:53:22,520 --> 02:53:24,520
Speaker 10: that she's not going to be saved by the prince,

3159
02:53:24,560 --> 02:53:26,480
Speaker 10: and she's not going to be dreaming about true love.

3160
02:53:26,520 --> 02:53:29,320
Speaker 10: She's dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be,

3161
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:31,320
Speaker 10: and the leader that her late father told her she

3162
02:53:31,400 --> 02:53:34,840
Speaker 10: could be if she was fearless, fair, brave and true.

3163
02:53:35,160 --> 02:53:37,720
Speaker 10: While Disney still uses Walt's name, they've all but abandoned

3164
02:53:37,760 --> 02:53:41,760
Speaker 10: his legacy. Instead of telling stories about timeless truth what

3165
02:53:41,840 --> 02:53:44,760
Speaker 10: the ancient fairy tales were all about, Disney's new snow

3166
02:53:44,760 --> 02:53:47,400
Speaker 10: White is an apology for their past and will expose

3167
02:53:47,440 --> 02:53:50,640
Speaker 10: children to the popular but destructive lies of the current moment.

3168
02:53:51,360 --> 02:53:53,520
Speaker 10: Which is why, in addition to announcing the launch of

3169
02:53:53,520 --> 02:53:56,600
Speaker 10: our Kids Entertainment Company, I also want to announce today

3170
02:53:56,840 --> 02:54:00,720
Speaker 10: that company's first live action feature film, story about a

3171
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:04,480
Speaker 10: princess and a prince, about beauty and vanity, about love

3172
02:54:04,520 --> 02:54:07,720
Speaker 10: and its power to raise us from death to life.

3173
02:54:07,800 --> 02:54:10,360
Speaker 10: It's our own peration of an ancient fairy tale. It's

3174
02:54:10,400 --> 02:54:13,680
Speaker 10: coming in twenty twenty four, and it's called So.

3175
02:54:14,440 --> 02:54:16,240
Speaker 5: Before I play the rest of the trailer for Robert,

3176
02:54:16,440 --> 02:54:19,039
Speaker 5: there is a few funny things about this clip that

3177
02:54:19,080 --> 02:54:21,480
Speaker 5: I just played for the audience as well. Mostly when

3178
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:25,840
Speaker 5: he's describing like the new Disney snow White, it's like

3179
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:28,600
Speaker 5: a very like sensible message that the lead actor was

3180
02:54:28,640 --> 02:54:32,240
Speaker 5: talking about. He's like, this is horrible, imassion.

3181
02:54:32,280 --> 02:54:34,840
Speaker 2: I also don't even think it's a great message. Like

3182
02:54:34,840 --> 02:54:38,120
Speaker 2: it's a very conservative message that like this woman is

3183
02:54:38,200 --> 02:54:41,160
Speaker 2: born to lead and it is about her finding her

3184
02:54:41,200 --> 02:54:45,039
Speaker 2: place in the bread, in the hierarchy of her state.

3185
02:54:45,160 --> 02:54:48,160
Speaker 2: Like that's a pretty conservative message. They just hate it

3186
02:54:48,200 --> 02:54:49,400
Speaker 2: because a Walm set it.

3187
02:54:49,760 --> 02:54:52,960
Speaker 5: Yes, but now will I will play you the very brief,

3188
02:54:53,000 --> 02:54:56,720
Speaker 5: like thirty second trailer based on like this one thing

3189
02:54:56,760 --> 02:54:58,480
Speaker 5: they've shot.

3190
02:55:02,360 --> 02:55:04,080
Speaker 3: One super.

3191
02:55:05,720 --> 02:55:07,119
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

3192
02:55:08,520 --> 02:55:12,240
Speaker 5: So bad, a tale of typeless truth.

3193
02:55:12,480 --> 02:55:18,880
Speaker 2: Prince would come wow, little on the nose. Oh my god,

3194
02:55:18,959 --> 02:55:21,240
Speaker 2: she's even got a basket of red apples, the kind

3195
02:55:21,280 --> 02:55:30,440
Speaker 2: of apples that don't exist anywhere but a gene engineered farm.

3196
02:55:30,480 --> 02:55:31,240
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

3197
02:55:32,240 --> 02:55:36,160
Speaker 2: Oh and it's clearly snow white. Oh my god. Yes,

3198
02:55:36,200 --> 02:55:37,279
Speaker 2: ah fuck.

3199
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:41,560
Speaker 5: So I actually I actually do want to play that

3200
02:55:41,600 --> 02:55:43,360
Speaker 5: for the audience because it's just so nunny.

3201
02:55:43,360 --> 02:55:45,320
Speaker 2: You keep that in there. That's that's good because like

3202
02:55:45,640 --> 02:55:49,119
Speaker 2: the song they've got in there is like completely without wonder.

3203
02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:51,480
Speaker 2: It's just like once upon a time a principal come

3204
02:55:51,560 --> 02:55:55,840
Speaker 2: or some shit. She's like in the woods picking apples

3205
02:55:55,920 --> 02:55:58,160
Speaker 2: that are like a color of red that you don't

3206
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:00,400
Speaker 2: even see in the like that not a natural read

3207
02:56:00,440 --> 02:56:06,480
Speaker 2: at all, just profoundly off putting, in weird. So one

3208
02:56:06,600 --> 02:56:11,039
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy seventeen thousand views, So I don't know,

3209
02:56:11,120 --> 02:56:14,520
Speaker 2: we'll see if this beats the original snow White or

3210
02:56:14,600 --> 02:56:17,360
Speaker 2: whatever snow White real actors and writers are making.

3211
02:56:17,800 --> 02:56:21,480
Speaker 5: So this is This is snow White and the Evil Queen,

3212
02:56:21,840 --> 02:56:23,600
Speaker 5: And I'm not sure if you pick this up. This

3213
02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:27,360
Speaker 5: is this is starring failed actor and the Daily Wire's

3214
02:56:27,480 --> 02:56:31,840
Speaker 5: own gen Z female clone of Ben Shapiro, Brett Cooper

3215
02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:36,920
Speaker 5: as snow White. It's that other Daily Wire host that

3216
02:56:37,000 --> 02:56:41,680
Speaker 5: looks like a weird female version of Ben Shapiro is

3217
02:56:41,720 --> 02:56:44,720
Speaker 5: starring as Snowing and it all just looks like really

3218
02:56:44,760 --> 02:56:50,200
Speaker 5: bad cosplay, like the it is. It was quite something.

3219
02:56:50,320 --> 02:56:54,320
Speaker 5: So that is that is their first bent Key upcoming

3220
02:56:54,360 --> 02:56:58,080
Speaker 5: original movie. So I'm sure everyone's gonna be excited for

3221
02:56:58,120 --> 02:57:01,840
Speaker 5: that one. And like it seems the entire bent Key

3222
02:57:01,879 --> 02:57:06,840
Speaker 5: strategy is to either be so banal that it appeals

3223
02:57:06,840 --> 02:57:09,039
Speaker 5: to like unassuming parents who don't know what The Daily

3224
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:13,280
Speaker 5: Wire is, or to create these like fake culture war

3225
02:57:13,360 --> 02:57:17,440
Speaker 5: outrage moments to scare parents into thinking that woke corporations

3226
02:57:17,440 --> 02:57:20,000
Speaker 5: are trying to turn their kids gay or or trying

3227
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:23,160
Speaker 5: to tear kids into like feminists, and the only way

3228
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:25,400
Speaker 5: to stop that is to give The Daily Wire one

3229
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:29,040
Speaker 5: hundred dollars a year to watch failed screenwriters and actors

3230
02:57:29,440 --> 02:57:32,160
Speaker 5: poorly imitate better pieces of film and TV.

3231
02:57:33,120 --> 02:57:36,200
Speaker 2: I think the trouble they're going to have here is

3232
02:57:36,240 --> 02:57:39,920
Speaker 2: that there's a I think a discrepancy between what would

3233
02:57:39,959 --> 02:57:42,360
Speaker 2: do the best job of achieving what they claim as

3234
02:57:42,400 --> 02:57:47,119
Speaker 2: their social mission right, which is incepting conservative ideas into

3235
02:57:47,200 --> 02:57:53,760
Speaker 2: mass culture by taking over pop entertainment, and they're what

3236
02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:56,680
Speaker 2: is clearly their more important goal, which is making a

3237
02:57:56,680 --> 02:57:58,440
Speaker 2: lot of money. Because the best way to make a

3238
02:57:58,440 --> 02:58:00,240
Speaker 2: lot of money, and I think they there's a good

3239
02:58:00,320 --> 02:58:03,960
Speaker 2: chance they can succeed building a content network for their

3240
02:58:03,959 --> 02:58:06,600
Speaker 2: weirdo fans that cost one hundred dollars a year, But

3241
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:08,640
Speaker 2: if they want to reach the most people, the best

3242
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:10,119
Speaker 2: thing they do would be to get to a point

3243
02:58:10,120 --> 02:58:15,039
Speaker 2: where they can sell their videos streaming to Netflix and

3244
02:58:15,080 --> 02:58:18,920
Speaker 2: the like. But that doesn't keep people in their walled

3245
02:58:18,959 --> 02:58:22,360
Speaker 2: garden and also probably is less profitable over time than

3246
02:58:22,360 --> 02:58:25,800
Speaker 2: having a monopoly on this shit. And so I don't

3247
02:58:25,800 --> 02:58:27,959
Speaker 2: know what they're going to choose to do. That'll be

3248
02:58:28,000 --> 02:58:31,520
Speaker 2: interesting to watch, but yeah, I mean it's the kind

3249
02:58:31,560 --> 02:58:33,720
Speaker 2: of thing is a business. This could work for sure.

3250
02:58:33,920 --> 02:58:35,600
Speaker 2: We'll see about the other stuff.

3251
02:58:36,080 --> 02:58:38,880
Speaker 5: And again, so this is this is only half of

3252
02:58:38,959 --> 02:58:41,720
Speaker 5: their efforts, because on top of the one hundred million

3253
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:44,280
Speaker 5: dollars put towards children's program thing which has resulted in

3254
02:58:44,320 --> 02:58:47,720
Speaker 5: bent Key, the Daily Wire Plus was also putting an

3255
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:52,119
Speaker 5: additional one hundred million dollars into more adult oriented entertainment. Now,

3256
02:58:52,160 --> 02:58:55,119
Speaker 5: most of the Daily Wires production effort has been going

3257
02:58:55,120 --> 02:59:00,320
Speaker 5: into adapting the Christian Arthurian novels The Pendragon Cycle live

3258
02:59:00,360 --> 02:59:04,560
Speaker 5: action seven episode mini series directed by Jeremy Boring. The

3259
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:08,160
Speaker 5: upcoming fantasy series just wrapped filming in Europe this past fall.

3260
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:11,400
Speaker 5: The cast is mostly made up of like sealist actors.

3261
02:59:11,720 --> 02:59:14,439
Speaker 2: Never never, I don't know where they made the scarson,

3262
02:59:14,520 --> 02:59:17,440
Speaker 2: but never has a production seemed more Croatia than this.

3263
02:59:18,640 --> 02:59:20,240
Speaker 5: It's stilled in Hungary, in Italy.

3264
02:59:20,400 --> 02:59:24,080
Speaker 2: So oh my god, I was close. I was close.

3265
02:59:24,240 --> 02:59:25,320
Speaker 5: There you go there you go.

3266
02:59:25,480 --> 02:59:26,480
Speaker 2: Ah, Okay.

3267
02:59:27,080 --> 02:59:30,240
Speaker 5: The cast is made up of mostly Like sealst actors,

3268
02:59:30,280 --> 02:59:33,800
Speaker 5: some Daily Wire staff, and actors from small roles in

3269
02:59:33,879 --> 02:59:36,560
Speaker 5: like Game of Thrones and The Witcher. So this is

3270
02:59:36,600 --> 02:59:38,680
Speaker 5: coming out later this year. It's based on this series

3271
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:42,040
Speaker 5: of novels that came out in the in the two thousands.

3272
02:59:42,400 --> 02:59:45,920
Speaker 5: It's it's it's like an Arthurian story, but set slightly

3273
02:59:45,959 --> 02:59:50,640
Speaker 5: before the rise of like England. It's it's during like

3274
02:59:51,400 --> 02:59:53,360
Speaker 5: the fall of like British Rome. I think is what

3275
02:59:53,400 --> 02:59:54,440
Speaker 5: they call it now.

3276
02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:58,720
Speaker 2: Guys, I'm sorry. We all got to see a great

3277
02:59:58,920 --> 03:00:02,600
Speaker 2: Arthurian cycle move recently, and something tells me this one's

3278
03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:04,680
Speaker 2: gonna have a lot less of a guy coming into

3279
03:00:04,720 --> 03:00:05,240
Speaker 2: a scarf.

3280
03:00:06,240 --> 03:00:08,480
Speaker 5: You don't think you'll think this'll be as good as

3281
03:00:08,520 --> 03:00:09,160
Speaker 5: The Green Knight.

3282
03:00:09,280 --> 03:00:11,920
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna get a real fucking clear

3283
03:00:11,959 --> 03:00:14,360
Speaker 2: shot of one guy's come in a scarf. I'll tell

3284
03:00:14,360 --> 03:00:14,640
Speaker 2: you that.

3285
03:00:14,680 --> 03:00:23,039
Speaker 5: I trust director Jeremy Boring's vision, ah man. But the

3286
03:00:23,160 --> 03:00:26,360
Speaker 5: project I am the most excited about is that The

3287
03:00:26,480 --> 03:00:31,840
Speaker 5: Daily Wire has acquired exclusive rights to adapt in Rand's

3288
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:37,800
Speaker 5: Atlas Shrugged into a television series. Oh good, Oh my god.

3289
03:00:38,400 --> 03:00:42,200
Speaker 2: That's like that's like being an opponent of the Nazis

3290
03:00:42,360 --> 03:00:45,520
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty one and hearing that they've just invaded

3291
03:00:45,560 --> 03:00:50,160
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union, Like, oh thank god, Okay, okay, we're

3292
03:00:50,160 --> 03:00:52,240
Speaker 2: on the down swing of this one. Boys.

3293
03:00:52,600 --> 03:00:56,800
Speaker 5: I am I am so excited to see the libertarian

3294
03:00:56,840 --> 03:00:59,600
Speaker 5: wet dream that's gonna be this Atlas Shrugged TV show.

3295
03:01:00,280 --> 03:01:03,040
Speaker 5: There is no one else I would rather adapt to

3296
03:01:03,040 --> 03:01:06,560
Speaker 5: Atlas Shrugged than the Daily Wire parpacouse.

3297
03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:10,320
Speaker 2: Antlas Shrug is like famously like the least filmable thing

3298
03:01:10,480 --> 03:01:12,680
Speaker 2: of all time, like it's it's.

3299
03:01:12,560 --> 03:01:16,240
Speaker 5: The scout Heads actually could be like a fine movie,

3300
03:01:16,480 --> 03:01:17,560
Speaker 5: but Atlas, I don't.

3301
03:01:17,760 --> 03:01:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm I'm excited to think you can make Atlas Shrugged

3302
03:01:20,160 --> 03:01:23,400
Speaker 2: and do I hope I hope they do shot for

3303
03:01:23,480 --> 03:01:26,240
Speaker 2: shot that one like seventy page speech that what's his

3304
03:01:26,360 --> 03:01:30,400
Speaker 2: name goes on? Oh yeah, that's that's what I really want.

3305
03:01:31,120 --> 03:01:35,480
Speaker 5: Ah. So yeah, I am actually excited to excited to

3306
03:01:35,879 --> 03:01:39,480
Speaker 5: not like hate watch, but like curiously staring into the

3307
03:01:39,560 --> 03:01:44,280
Speaker 5: void watch their Atlas, their Atlas Shrug show. But the

3308
03:01:44,320 --> 03:01:47,040
Speaker 5: one Daily Wire plus series that I am not very

3309
03:01:47,160 --> 03:01:50,840
Speaker 5: much excited about is an upcoming adult animated a scripted

3310
03:01:50,879 --> 03:01:54,679
Speaker 5: series created by Adam krolla entitled Mister Burchum.

3311
03:01:55,520 --> 03:01:58,760
Speaker 2: God in Heaven. Yeah, I saw ads for this one.

3312
03:01:59,120 --> 03:02:04,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, this show's description sounds like the most old man

3313
03:02:04,240 --> 03:02:07,920
Speaker 5: yells at cloud premise I've ever heard. Quote. Mister Burcham

3314
03:02:07,920 --> 03:02:10,920
Speaker 5: attempts to navigate a world he doesn't understand or approve of.

3315
03:02:11,320 --> 03:02:15,119
Speaker 5: He's befuddled by his gaming streamer's son Eddie, annoyed at

3316
03:02:15,120 --> 03:02:19,360
Speaker 5: his selfie taking snowflake students, and is constantly at war

3317
03:02:19,640 --> 03:02:23,640
Speaker 5: with the school district's appointed Jedi Justice Equality, Diversity and

3318
03:02:23,680 --> 03:02:29,560
Speaker 5: Inclusion officer, mister CARPONSEI UNQ. So that's the description of

3319
03:02:29,560 --> 03:02:32,520
Speaker 5: the show, which I don't know about you. That sounds

3320
03:02:32,560 --> 03:02:37,119
Speaker 5: like a horrible time. The cast includes Corolla as mister Burcham,

3321
03:02:37,840 --> 03:02:43,160
Speaker 5: Magan Kelly Roseenne Barr, conservative comedian Tyler Fisher, Daily Wire

3322
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:49,280
Speaker 5: hosts Brett Cooper and Cana Owens, comedian Alonso Broden, a

3323
03:02:49,360 --> 03:02:55,560
Speaker 5: former Amy Schumer, writer Kyle Dunningen, and unfortunately Danny Trejoe

3324
03:02:55,640 --> 03:02:56,840
Speaker 5: and Patrick Warburton.

3325
03:02:57,480 --> 03:03:01,760
Speaker 2: That last one hurts, that last one, I know. That's

3326
03:03:02,040 --> 03:03:02,360
Speaker 2: I know.

3327
03:03:04,840 --> 03:03:05,320
Speaker 3: All sad.

3328
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:10,440
Speaker 5: Let's I am going to play this for the audience because, oh.

3329
03:03:10,280 --> 03:03:13,400
Speaker 2: My I guess I'm not surprised that being in Venture

3330
03:03:13,440 --> 03:03:15,520
Speaker 2: Brothers didn't pay enough for him to avoid this.

3331
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:22,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and apparently Warburton is a conservative. I am interested

3332
03:03:22,040 --> 03:03:24,039
Speaker 5: to see what some of these people were told before

3333
03:03:24,080 --> 03:03:26,080
Speaker 5: they agreed to this, because I know the Daily Player's

3334
03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:28,760
Speaker 5: name has been hidden in a lot of contracts.

3335
03:03:28,959 --> 03:03:32,920
Speaker 2: Well, and Adam Carol is a real comedian, Like I

3336
03:03:32,959 --> 03:03:35,800
Speaker 2: didn't say good, but like he is somebody who established

3337
03:03:35,840 --> 03:03:39,760
Speaker 2: a career in Hollywood. Yeah, I get it. So and

3338
03:03:39,800 --> 03:03:42,560
Speaker 2: it looks like fucking Brickleberry and all those other like

3339
03:03:42,680 --> 03:03:44,800
Speaker 2: dog shit, cheap shit cartoons.

3340
03:03:44,879 --> 03:03:48,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks bad. Let's let's let's have fun listening

3341
03:03:48,560 --> 03:03:49,000
Speaker 5: to this though.

3342
03:03:51,560 --> 03:03:54,119
Speaker 2: Jumping in the first one speed.

3343
03:03:54,000 --> 03:03:56,720
Speaker 3: Action Sawbucks looking a little chubby.

3344
03:03:56,480 --> 03:04:01,760
Speaker 5: Woman, amazing voice acting by making Kelly dogs are supposed

3345
03:04:01,800 --> 03:04:02,440
Speaker 5: to eat meat.

3346
03:04:02,520 --> 03:04:04,080
Speaker 2: They're just sentence of wolves.

3347
03:04:04,200 --> 03:04:07,199
Speaker 5: You ever see a vegan wolf on the Nature Channel.

3348
03:04:07,400 --> 03:04:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm a vegan, very very funny.

3349
03:04:10,959 --> 03:04:15,800
Speaker 5: US closers, ladies, listen up, Oh my god.

3350
03:04:15,120 --> 03:04:17,600
Speaker 10: Don't do anything stupid ear than last year.

3351
03:04:17,879 --> 03:04:21,199
Speaker 2: I'm a heteronormative cisgender white male.

3352
03:04:21,520 --> 03:04:24,800
Speaker 5: For which I apologize. I'm black and that used to

3353
03:04:24,879 --> 03:04:28,480
Speaker 5: be enough, but I'm also bilingual and a'm non binary.

3354
03:04:28,560 --> 03:04:31,280
Speaker 6: Where the Army we drink more before nine am, the

3355
03:04:31,440 --> 03:04:33,680
Speaker 6: Navy pukes do all day. He rubbed all the fur

3356
03:04:33,760 --> 03:04:36,959
Speaker 6: off his emotional support far the damn thing looked.

3357
03:04:36,760 --> 03:04:39,400
Speaker 2: Like a four legged Rosanne bar.

3358
03:04:40,640 --> 03:04:46,680
Speaker 7: Oh God, charity and work two words that should never

3359
03:04:46,760 --> 03:04:49,240
Speaker 7: go together, like women and opinions.

3360
03:04:50,480 --> 03:04:53,039
Speaker 5: They're salting and make me dizzy. Or it just did

3361
03:04:53,160 --> 03:04:55,040
Speaker 5: find a thing to fix my gaming chair.

3362
03:04:55,200 --> 03:04:58,080
Speaker 2: When I was on the construction site, my chair was

3363
03:04:58,120 --> 03:04:59,600
Speaker 2: a five gallon bucket.

3364
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:02,160
Speaker 5: It was also my toilet.

3365
03:05:04,120 --> 03:05:07,240
Speaker 2: See, it's what's amazing about that all of the Megan

3366
03:05:07,320 --> 03:05:11,400
Speaker 2: Kelly and can like terrible voices character to them. Adam

3367
03:05:11,440 --> 03:05:14,320
Speaker 2: Carolla sounds like a parody of himself. He's going too

3368
03:05:14,360 --> 03:05:17,320
Speaker 2: hard into gruff. It just it's maybe maybe if I

3369
03:05:17,360 --> 03:05:20,400
Speaker 2: see the show, it'll be better because it may just

3370
03:05:20,400 --> 03:05:22,240
Speaker 2: have picked some lines where he was doing that, but

3371
03:05:22,280 --> 03:05:25,520
Speaker 2: there's not much character to his voice. What I will

3372
03:05:25,560 --> 03:05:28,960
Speaker 2: say is I hate that he's in this. But Patrick

3373
03:05:29,000 --> 03:05:31,920
Speaker 2: Burton still a pro every man. That man can do

3374
03:05:31,959 --> 03:05:33,959
Speaker 2: a line. Read, That man knows how to do a

3375
03:05:34,000 --> 03:05:34,959
Speaker 2: fucking line read.

3376
03:05:35,400 --> 03:05:39,360
Speaker 5: No, It's weird how many of these are like actual

3377
03:05:39,400 --> 03:05:42,160
Speaker 5: comedians who have been who are being forced to read

3378
03:05:42,280 --> 03:05:46,040
Speaker 5: like non binary and they're like, they don't know what

3379
03:05:46,120 --> 03:05:49,080
Speaker 5: non binary means. They're just being forced to read a

3380
03:05:49,120 --> 03:05:52,680
Speaker 5: script written by Ben Shapiro and they're like, one of

3381
03:05:52,720 --> 03:05:54,720
Speaker 5: these words, it doesn't matter, just keep going.

3382
03:05:55,440 --> 03:05:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, get your paycheck. I don't know, it's it's it's

3383
03:05:59,200 --> 03:05:59,680
Speaker 2: a bummer.

3384
03:06:00,240 --> 03:06:01,440
Speaker 8: Yeah.

3385
03:06:01,920 --> 03:06:06,360
Speaker 2: I It's weird because, like Adam Carolla, I've never felt

3386
03:06:06,400 --> 03:06:11,520
Speaker 2: anything positive towards or particularly negative towards until recently. I

3387
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:14,040
Speaker 2: guess now I'm on the negative side. Even with this,

3388
03:06:14,360 --> 03:06:17,680
Speaker 2: I still feel overall good about Patrick Warburt, and he's

3389
03:06:17,720 --> 03:06:20,600
Speaker 2: just given me too much. Yeah, it'll take a lot.

3390
03:06:21,720 --> 03:06:25,000
Speaker 5: So this this, that is most of what I wanted

3391
03:06:25,040 --> 03:06:28,320
Speaker 5: to talk about, because the only other Daily Wire project

3392
03:06:28,320 --> 03:06:31,039
Speaker 5: I have anything to say about is the movie that

3393
03:06:31,120 --> 03:06:35,200
Speaker 5: came out a few months ago, Lady Ballers, and I

3394
03:06:35,200 --> 03:06:38,160
Speaker 5: I could not, I could not fit my Lady Baller's

3395
03:06:38,200 --> 03:06:41,480
Speaker 5: thoughts into this episode because that is that is gonna

3396
03:06:41,520 --> 03:06:43,320
Speaker 5: be its own, its own special event.

3397
03:06:43,560 --> 03:06:45,720
Speaker 2: That's that's gonna be your Fittigan's wake.

3398
03:06:47,200 --> 03:06:49,640
Speaker 5: Yes, So a few weeks ago I watched it for

3399
03:06:49,680 --> 03:06:51,360
Speaker 5: the first time. I took a lot of notes. I'm

3400
03:06:51,360 --> 03:06:54,880
Speaker 5: gonna watch it again here, and we are gonna go

3401
03:06:55,120 --> 03:06:57,760
Speaker 5: deep into the production of this movie. This thing was shot.

3402
03:06:58,320 --> 03:07:01,600
Speaker 5: This this just just a peak of of of of

3403
03:07:01,600 --> 03:07:03,920
Speaker 5: of the writing quality you're you're about to hear about.

3404
03:07:04,200 --> 03:07:06,760
Speaker 5: The whole strip is written in two weeks. It was.

3405
03:07:06,800 --> 03:07:09,320
Speaker 5: It was shot in like a month. It's it's it

3406
03:07:09,440 --> 03:07:14,720
Speaker 5: stars the only Daily Wire hosts. Every single actor they

3407
03:07:14,760 --> 03:07:18,360
Speaker 5: approached for this turned it down because they're like, absolutely.

3408
03:07:17,800 --> 03:07:19,199
Speaker 2: Not, no, fuck this shit.

3409
03:07:20,840 --> 03:07:25,120
Speaker 5: And it is a It is a a insightful, insightful

3410
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:29,000
Speaker 5: look into the soul of Jeremy Boring. He wrote, directed, produced,

3411
03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:33,200
Speaker 5: and starred in this thing. It was shot right in Nashville, Tennessee.

3412
03:07:33,760 --> 03:07:36,640
Speaker 5: So that is gonna be after the weekend, this is

3413
03:07:36,680 --> 03:07:40,080
Speaker 5: We're gonna have a special episode of me diving into

3414
03:07:40,400 --> 03:07:43,640
Speaker 5: what makes Lady Baller's tick and is it any funny?

3415
03:07:43,680 --> 03:07:45,960
Speaker 5: The answer is not really, But we will we will

3416
03:07:45,959 --> 03:07:48,160
Speaker 5: go into the production of this movie, the way this

3417
03:07:48,280 --> 03:07:51,320
Speaker 5: movie tries to work, and what we can learn about

3418
03:07:51,360 --> 03:07:53,240
Speaker 5: how the Daily Wire is going to try to be

3419
03:07:53,320 --> 03:07:56,400
Speaker 5: producing these sorts of comedy films and try to insert

3420
03:07:56,440 --> 03:08:00,640
Speaker 5: itself into into the entertainment industry. So that will be

3421
03:08:00,840 --> 03:08:02,920
Speaker 5: that that will be the start of next week are

3422
03:08:02,959 --> 03:08:07,000
Speaker 5: special on Lady Ballers, any any any closing thoughts on

3423
03:08:07,000 --> 03:08:10,199
Speaker 5: on on bent Key or or the Daily Wire plus

3424
03:08:10,600 --> 03:08:13,240
Speaker 5: as as as as the Daily Wire enters the streaming market.

3425
03:08:13,360 --> 03:08:17,600
Speaker 2: Robert Patrick, you don't have to do this, like, just

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Speaker 2: just let us know you need help. We can take

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Speaker 2: care of you, you know, Patrick, We we love you.

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Speaker 5: If you need help with the mortgage, we can, we

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Speaker 5: can crowd fund.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can make this work, buddy, We can make

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Speaker 2: this work.

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Speaker 5: Anyway. Well, that does it for us today. I hope

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Speaker 5: you're reding something about Jeremy Boring the most forgettable man

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Speaker 5: with the most accurate name.

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Speaker 2: Yep, all right, guys. Bye, Hey, We'll be back Monday

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Speaker 2: with more episodes every week from now until the heat

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Speaker 2: death of the Universe.

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