1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: I've never told you production of Bahart Radio and welcome 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: to another feminist around the world. And today we wanted 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: to feature an indigenous activist as yesterday, not that you 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: guys are listening when it's being published, but what's actually 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Indigenous People Day here in the US, So like October fourteenth, 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: you know, around that time is what used to be 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Columbus Day. But we don't want to necessarily celebrate a 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: colonizer who stole people's identities and property. So of course 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Indigenous People's Day. And so 11 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: with that coming and going, we were talking about activists 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: and lawyer set Ami. So Ami is an EMBEDDA lawyer 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: who has been working to advocate for her community and 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: the environment. And though her work alone is something that 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: we should be celebrating, she has made history becoming the 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: first Indigenous woman lawyer in Panama, which I thought was 17 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: really really significant. In went an article Annie, they featured 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: like how many people within their community go on to 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: law school or graduate from law school, and it's like 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: a three to one so three men to one woman 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: in general. So according to a lot of the stats 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: is obviously overbeandonly men who are in this field and 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: getting an education alone. So she decided at a young 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: age around fifteen, that she was going to go down 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: this path, that she needed to do something for her 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: community and that one of the things that she knows 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: that has some power is education and then also knowing 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: policies and law. So she went down this route, which 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: was amazing. So AMI's journey has been heavily influenced by 30 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: her family and her community and her calling to fight 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: for them and for herself. So Eco Americas was able 32 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: to sit down and talk with her about herself and 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: her works in twenty twenty three. So here's what she 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: told them about why she wanted to go into law 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: and her work. She said, I was born in a 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: moment of conflict. My community had been relocated and was 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: seeking ways to survive. Everything was in short supply and 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: there were no opportunities. Women and young people had no voice. 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: My mother was the first female in better achief, and 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: throughout my childhood I watched her fight for the rights 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: of a relocated community. From when I was very young, 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to school so I could become 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: a lawyer and support my mother in her pursuit of justice. 44 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: I was lucky my parents understood education was the way 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: to change things, even though at the time it was 46 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: not normal for em bettered girls to be sent to 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: primary school. I left my village at the age of 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: fifteen so I could continue my studies, and thanks to 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: scholarships from this Catholic church, I graduated as a lawyer 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: at the age of twenty two. Even when I was 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: far away from my community, I never lost my connection 52 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: with my village, and I always dreamed of returning to 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: help my people in their search for better economic, social, 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: and political opportunity, to fight against the invasion of our 55 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: territory by non indigenous communities, and to defend women in 56 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: indigenous communities from violence and discrimination. So her family has 57 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: always made sure she knew and understood the legacy of 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: her people, including the uprooting of her people. Here's some 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: information about that from elpass dot com. They write from 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: family stories. Ami learned earlier on about the uprooting that 61 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: her people had to endure. It happened between nineteen seventy 62 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: two and nineteen seventy six, when the construction of the 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Vola LEAs Hydroelectric dam on the Bayana River flooded the 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: land they inhabited and forced them to rebuild their lives elsewhere. 65 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: This opened a community wound and motivated an international claim 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: recognized in twenty fourteen by ruling by the Inter American 67 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: Court of Human Rights. So a lot of history, a 68 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: lot of hurt, especially when it comes to the uprooting 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: of an entire indigenous community. Yeah, so we know that 70 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot more to that history than we're getting into, 71 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: but just to pinpoint that, and so when she returned 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: back to her community, she was able to assess the 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: level of needs not only for her community, but for 74 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: many other Indigenous communities around them. She told the Latin 75 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: America and Caribbean Sector for the UN Women's Organization quote, 76 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: when I arrived in Panama City, I thought that the 77 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: problems only existed in my community, but I realized that 78 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: all Indigenous peoples faced the same needs. And that is 79 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: where I became concerned as a young person and decided 80 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: to become part of the organization of Embedda Munan Youth 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: of Panama or OJEWP. That is where I learned about 82 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: the rights of Indigenous peoples and I support the political 83 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: agenda to ensure the fundamental rights of our people, and 84 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: she went on talking specifically about the lack of women 85 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to being a part of the solutions 86 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: for the issues, saying, knowing all the difficulties of our 87 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: people and the lack of participation of women in decision 88 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: making at the level of our traditional structures, I accepted 89 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: the challenge of participating and being a traditional authority in 90 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: the position of President of the General and Better Congress 91 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: of Altabaio. Then, in search of occupying a more visible 92 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: space in my territory a year ago, I dared to 93 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: challenge the traditional structure to be the only female candidate 94 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: to aspire to the position of General Chief of said Congress, 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: because we are the women who desire better opportunities on 96 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: a personal, family and community level with the help of 97 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: breaking the barriers of violence against girls, boys and women 98 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: in the community and trying to seek better living conditions 99 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: without straying from our Embarrah worldview. So she's been really 100 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: vocal about the importance of Indigenous women being a part 101 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: of this conversation when it comes to Indigenous rights and 102 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: also for the fight against climate change, and we've seen 103 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: that over and over and over again when we talk 104 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: about indigenous peoples and activists. So here's a quote from 105 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: the Ecoamericas dot com interview. Indigenous women are the guardians 106 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: of traditional knowledge about planting, food, protection of the forest, water, biodiversity, 107 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: and other ancestral spiritual practices. It has always been women's 108 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: role to transmit that note to current and future generations. 109 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: Yet that all important responsibility has always been made invisible. 110 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: We were just seen as women at home. Women and 111 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: our communities have so many tools, but in the past 112 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: we had no way to put that ancestral knowledge on 113 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: the table and use our skills to accompany our community's 114 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: process of development. From the fight for territory, the fight 115 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: for development with dignity, the protection of traditional values, our 116 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: cosmo vision, all of these can now be positioned at 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: territorial and national level. We have worked to bring our 118 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: role to light and position the voice of women in 119 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: indigenous communities so that we can exert our influence. Climate 120 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: change is very present in our communities and women are 121 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: on the front light of its effects and during crop 122 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: failure and extreme weather conditions, for example, we work hard 123 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: to restore the forest, leading the process and applying our 124 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: ancestral knowledge. Again, I think that's been a common theme 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: when we talk about indigenous peoples, when we talk about 126 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: the community and activists itself, that the women are the 127 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: front line. And we know this as a tradition in general, 128 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: but as they are even biblically, which we kind of 129 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: talked about, held responsible for teaching traditions and passing those 130 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: down in those stories. So I think it's one of 131 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: those conversations where we talk about the importance of remembering 132 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: cultures and traditions, and especially if it's an honoring a 133 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: good system, I think we should that key word being good. 134 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: So and with that, it's not surprising that she would 135 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: become a part of the leaderships for different programs and 136 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: organizations to continue with the much needed conversation. She's the 137 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: founder of the Embeter Artisan Women Association or a Marie 138 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: em Betterra, which works to promote the culture and empower 139 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: the Embtter women by passing on the traditions and preserving 140 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: their cultural knowledge. She was also the president, and I 141 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: believe she is now a spokesperson coordinator for the territorial 142 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: women leaders of the Mesoamerican Alliance of People in Forest 143 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: and a spokesperson for the Women of the Global Alliance 144 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: of Territorial Communities and as a representative, she has used 145 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: her platform to continue the conversation of the importance of 146 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: women in the community. Like we said before, she told 147 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: olpast dot com, women maintain the balance that the family needs. 148 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: They protect the family and the community. It is women 149 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: who are active, better organized, concerned every day with maintaining identity, 150 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: in my case, influencing the creation of public policies that 151 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: integrate the vision of Indigenous women and that achieve concrete 152 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: results in the territory. And she told climateforest dot org 153 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: about what her organizations are doing in regards to climate change. 154 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: She said, the women in my organizations, both locally and 155 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: across Panama, are proposing various alternatives to combat the effects 156 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: of climate change and to recover and preserve our traditional knowledge, 157 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: for instance by creating botanical gardens made by women to 158 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: promote this knowledge. We are working hard on sustainable economic 159 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: through our identity. Where do we want to go? We 160 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: are proposing our initiatives and our alternatives to be able 161 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: to continue working with the balance that our mother earth needs. 162 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: We are also working on how families can subsist despite 163 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: the current and future challenges to food security. We are 164 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: working with the concept of the living forest, with the 165 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: traditional medicine, food security, agricultural production, which are important tools 166 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: to maintain the balance and protection of our mother earth. 167 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: And when she was asked about some of her biggest challenges, 168 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: she told them the biggest challenges that we have, especially 169 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: as women, is our access to full and effective participation 170 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: in all spaces. We currently lack strategic allies that can 171 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: help us to promote our positions. We also need compensation 172 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: for the yearly losses that our communities suffer because of 173 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: climate change. It impacts us severely and disrupts life in 174 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: our territories. We need to fight these challenges on the 175 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: grounds of our own vision, especially the vision we have 176 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: as women. But again with the challenges, she also has hope. 177 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: The Eco America's interview, she says, I'm optimistic that there 178 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: will be a positive change. Those changes depend on us 179 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: being committed to repairing and restoring our mother Earth. With 180 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: our influence, power and voices, we will be able to 181 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: ensure that there are more women leaders who can unify 182 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: our message in a single voice, so that in the 183 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: near future, rights can be perspected and there can be 184 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: full and effective participation of Indigenous people and women in 185 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: the dialogue. I aspire to see more women leading the 186 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: process of social and environmental justice. And from the LAC 187 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: dot unwomen dot Org they asked her what her message 188 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: was for the younger Indigenous women and generations, and she said, 189 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: my message to the youth is that they have the 190 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: responsibility to keep the essence of our Indigenous peoples alive. 191 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: They need to be present in our struggles and value 192 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: this knowledge as an essential tool representing the voices of 193 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: women and our grandparents, and that without their participation, the 194 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: development to which we aspire as Indigenous people women in 195 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: youth will not be possible. Yeah Ay missed out on 196 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: our previous feature with Gualinga that she is a younger generation, 197 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: her and her sister of Indigenous people who have been 198 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: putting in this fight and making sure that their culture 199 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: and their community are preserved and that they are fighting 200 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: for not only their land, but again for their people. 201 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: So we've seen this example and we know if anybody 202 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: rallies and answered these calls, it is the Indigenous peoples, 203 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: and it is a lot of the Indigenous Indigenous young peoples. 204 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: So it's amazing to see. But for a MEI she 205 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: her work continues to be acknowledged, and not just with 206 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: her leadership, but also being nominated for her work, including 207 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: being named one hundred most Powerful Women by Forbes Central 208 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: America for two years in a row. I don't know 209 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: if the twenty twenty four list has come out, but 210 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: last like twenty twenty three, she was on that list. 211 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: So we'll see she's back on that list because I'm 212 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: sure she definitely deserves it with all of her amazing works. 213 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: And yeah, we'll come back. I'm sure we're going to 214 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: do a found up soon about where are they now 215 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: conversations if we can find them. Yeah, I like that idea. Okay, 216 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: we did that before. We were like, yeah, well, we'll 217 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: see look forward to that listeners. In the meantime, if 218 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: you would like to contact us, you can. 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