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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number forty tall.

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Speaker 1: In the show, we're joined by Robert Hanneman of Hunting

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Speaker 1: Fool to dive into everything a white tail hunter needs

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Speaker 1: to know to plan a successful Western big game hunt.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: mid February and hunting season is technically a long ways off,

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Speaker 1: but if you're as addicted of a hunter as me

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Speaker 1: and Dan are, we know you're probably already in the

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Speaker 1: midst of planning your future hunting trips. And today that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what we wanted to discuss, you know, but different

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Speaker 1: than usual. We're going to discuss how to plan a

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Speaker 1: non white tailed trip. And I don't know if some

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Speaker 1: of you might remember last year we had an episode

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Speaker 1: in which Dan and I shared our own personal experiences

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Speaker 1: planning our first couple non white tailed Western trips, and

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Speaker 1: hopefully that was helpful to you guys. But you know,

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Speaker 1: me and Dan obviously are still pretty novice when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Western game So that said, today we're

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Speaker 1: bringing a real expert who's going to share with us

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Speaker 1: some really great insight into how to go about planning

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Speaker 1: a big Western game hunt. So, Dan, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: chatting with Robert Hanneman of Hunting Fool And are you

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Speaker 1: as excited as I am for this conversation. Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of questions and um, I really don't

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Speaker 1: know where to even start. You know, I've been doing

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Speaker 1: the research about certain zones and tags and drawls and

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Speaker 1: lotteries and states and it almost can be overwhelming at times.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully he can help us weed through it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think our listeners. No, we haven't actually

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Speaker 1: like formally announced this, but you and me are planning

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Speaker 1: the first Wired to Hunt podcast hunt ever with both

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Speaker 1: both co hosts. So so it's officially official now, Well,

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Speaker 1: I say so. We just came out with it on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. So it's good because you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was putting off rumors that we were going to

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Speaker 1: be going to Zimbabwe to hunt elephant. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people are asking me those questions, right, that's a popular theory.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna go to Afghanistan and hunt those sheep?

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Speaker 1: That those, you know, and I was like, no comment.

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Speaker 1: But now since it's official, I believe we're going to

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Speaker 1: be going somewhere to hunt mule there. Yeah, I think, uh,

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Speaker 1: I think we are going to go somewhere to hunt

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Speaker 1: put us to our limits as far as physical conditioning

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Speaker 1: Write right, So yeah, we are. I'm pumped. I know

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Speaker 1: you are too, but I'm I'm excited. We're talking early September,

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Speaker 1: and I think you know right now, we've been talking Idaho.

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Speaker 1: It's an over the counter uh state for some areas,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm already familiar with some areas because

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Speaker 1: But like you said, Dan, I'm excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: you know, any kind of Western hunt, because I know

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Speaker 1: that's a topic. Um. You know for me originally that

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Speaker 1: Right now, all I need to do is get my

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Speaker 1: line is Robert Hanneman. Welcome to show. Robert. Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: good to be here, guys, and we are really excited

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Speaker 1: with hunting fool and what hunting fool is. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: like I said, my name is Robert, and I've been

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Speaker 1: Hunting Fool. Oh wow, that's awesome. Um, I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: check that out. So, you know, we've got to kind

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Speaker 1: all these application processes and all these draws and all

429
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Speaker 1: these preference points. And I was like, Okay, Montana, I

430
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 1: gotta get this, and Wyoming, I gotta get points for

431
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 1: three years before can get anything. In Colorado. I gotta

432
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: will Colorado some over the counter stuff. But Arizona, Utah,

433
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: those are all completely out of my league. Um, and

434
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: all these just was intimidating, all these different systems and

435
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,959
Speaker 1: application processes. I didn't even want to look into it.

436
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Speaker 1: Um that said, can you help us for the for

437
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Speaker 1: those of us who aren't familiar with those processes, can

438
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Speaker 1: you give us a high, high level overview of what

439
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 1: the couple most popular application systems or point systems are

440
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Speaker 1: for most of these Western states and how those basically

441
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Speaker 1: work at a high level. Yeah. So, I mean the

442
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: first thing I would tell someone that was wanting to

443
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 1: hunt the West was, you know, become a hound full

444
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: member for a year and check the magazine out because

445
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: it's going to break down every single the West, every

446
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 1: single one of the Western states. And when we break

447
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Speaker 1: a state down, we break down you know, is it

448
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Speaker 1: a preference point state, is a bonus point state? Do

449
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: you have to help something id to apply? Do you not?

450
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: Do you have to um buy a purchase a hunting

451
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: license before you apply? How old you have to be

452
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: to hunt? We essentially go through the state regulations and

453
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 1: can damp sit down to three pages that you can

454
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: read during our magazine and I'll answer all your questions.

455
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Speaker 1: Then we take every single unit in the state that

456
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Speaker 1: we feel is going to give you a chance at

457
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: the trophy animal, and then we're going to break that

458
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Speaker 1: down over five years, So five years of harvest data,

459
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: five years of draw odds, you know, the like for sheep,

460
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: the best ram take in the average ram taken. So

461
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: you can kind of look at these areas and will

462
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Speaker 1: say how much public lands in there? Um, you know

463
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: it's in an area you can do it yourself. For scenario.

464
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: You need to be guided. But you know, every state

465
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Speaker 1: is completely different and to try to explain all seventeen

466
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Speaker 1: states would be super difficult. But you know, just to

467
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Speaker 1: start like with one of the most popular states of Wyoming,

468
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Speaker 1: and Wyoming has a true preference point state UM, so

469
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Speaker 1: se of their honor event tags and be given the

470
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: non residence with the max points percent will go in

471
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Speaker 1: the random draw. So like you guys, if you applied

472
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Speaker 1: for Wyoming this year, you would be in the rand

473
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Speaker 1: and draw, so you still have you'd be a chance

474
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: of tags UM. So there's bonus points that we're talking

475
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: about earlier. You know, when you get into those max

476
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: point pools, you get a lot more opportunity at tags UM.

477
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: Wyoming is a state where you have to upfront the

478
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: money that you don't have to buy a hunting license.

479
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: You have to purchase your points um in. The bonus

480
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: point system for deer elk and Antelopal started nine years ago,

481
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Speaker 1: and the bonus point system for uh cheap Monus and

482
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Speaker 1: goat or excuse me, goat does not bus blocking system,

483
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: but the sheet Moves was almost twenty years into it.

484
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: So most of these Western states started these bonus point

485
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: systems around twenty years ago. So for a guy just

486
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: getting in the game now, it's a little intimidating. But

487
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: if you have lead three and steer from the top

488
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: end units UM, there's a lot of giant animals that

489
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Speaker 1: are taking on the migraine units that people just overlook.

490
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: So you know, that's part of what our publication. Our

491
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Speaker 1: publication started twenty years ago. Really it's just you know,

492
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: five page magazine state altogether, and it essentially broke down

493
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: each of the state's proclamations, told you guys where to apply.

494
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: You know, it is turned into a lot of different facets,

495
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: the huntfuls of giant company now with almost forty employees

496
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: that work for us UM. But it still comes down

497
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: to the magazine is what most of our members subscribed

498
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: for because it breaks down all the information. Like we

499
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: give you all the information to do yourself. We're not

500
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: trying to necessarily push outfitters or push license up on you.

501
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: If your guy was willing to just take the time

502
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Speaker 1: and read our magazine, it would break down all the

503
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Speaker 1: Western states for yourself. That's awesome. I'm excited to check

504
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Speaker 1: that out. UM. So another thing you mentioned just a

505
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Speaker 1: touch before this, and I know we can't dive into

506
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Speaker 1: details of every single state since they're all different with

507
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: their own application systems and point systems and everything. Um,

508
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: but you know, if I'm a new guy and I'm

509
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Speaker 1: going to, you know, get into this whole system. Is

510
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Speaker 1: there a state or two that you would recommend starting with, Like,

511
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Speaker 1: that's not too terribly diff forficult to start understanding the

512
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: system and that decent has it provides a decent opportunity. Yeah,

513
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: And it really comes down to what animals you're looking

514
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: to apply for. I mean, if you're that's going to

515
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: tell me what states did, I'd tell guys to apply

516
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: for UM one way or the other. But you say,

517
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: if you're a deer and elk kind of guy, you know,

518
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: I'd say you definitely need to be applying for UM

519
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: Colorado deer be applying for deer and elk in Wyoming

520
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: UM and local Wyoming. In states like Idaho, what you're

521
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: going to UM or New Mexico, they don't have a

522
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: bonus point system, so it's not like you guys are

523
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Speaker 1: behind the curve on bonus points. Everybody's equal every year

524
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Speaker 1: in Idaho. So I mean, you know, those are kind

525
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: of states where you know, you don't have to look

526
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Speaker 1: towards the future of building points because there isn't any there.

527
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: So you know, if I was just going to start

528
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Speaker 1: out with a few states and I was a real

529
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: deer elk kind of guy. I would definitely be applying

530
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: in Wyoming for elk and deer, and I'd also be

531
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: applying in Colorado for deer um. That would kind of

532
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: be my starter if I was looking to, you know,

533
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: actually apply for tags. But you guys are totally on

534
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: the right track. If I was looking to just come

535
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: to the West and just hunting over the counter unit,

536
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: I'd behind in Idaho and I'd be hunt in Montana,

537
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: And you guys are smacked dead in some of the

538
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: best country where you're all cutting down there. Yeah, I've

539
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: been happy with this so far, and that Montana is

540
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: definitely on my to do list too. I love the state.

541
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: I've spent a little bit of time out there and

542
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: going to spend some time out there this summer, and

543
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm just excited hopefully in the next couple of years

544
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: start hunting there too. Um. Now we've talked about deer

545
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: and elk, which are you know, as you mentioned, probably

546
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: a couple of the most popular species that most guys

547
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: start with. Um, but what for the the apple pie

548
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: high and the sky type of hunter who wants to

549
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: shoot for a goat or a ram um or moose

550
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: or one of these other species. It's a little bit

551
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: harder to get at. Um, you know, where should I

552
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: start looking? If I'm trying to hunt one of those

553
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: types of species, where where do I begin that process? Well,

554
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: if I was looking for mountain goat, the first day

555
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: I would apply for is Montana. And there's a couple

556
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Speaker 1: of reasons behind that. Montana gives more on the resident

557
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: mountain goat tags then every other state combined other than Alaska.

558
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: So your odds of drawn the mountain goat tag in

559
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: Montana are, you know, better than most other states. Um,

560
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm kind of parcel to Montana. I killed a great

561
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: mountain goat with the bow there a couple of years ago,

562
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: and I mean on multiple goat hunts up there, so

563
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: it's it's probably my favorite goat state to hunt. But

564
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: that would be probably the first state that I'd be

565
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: applying for if I was looking to hunt goat for sheep.

566
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: You know, Montana's got giant rams. It's the landed giant rams.

567
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: You know, last year there was two rams killed over

568
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: two inches, which are I mean, just unrealistic. They're so giant.

569
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: But gods up there are horrible. So if I was

570
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: looking for Rocky Mountain sheep, um and goats, I'd probably

571
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: definitely be applying in Montana is my first state for

572
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: both of those. Uh, if we switch over to desert

573
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: sheep Arizona, Nevada, hands down they give out more desert

574
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: sheep tags than the other states. They killed some giants

575
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: every year, So those who do the two states, I'd

576
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: be applying there for team for those are big part sheets.

577
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: And are these tags, I mean, are Whenever I think

578
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: about sheep and goats um, I'm thinking like almost no

579
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: chance of ever even drawing it. That's my assumption based

580
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: on some of the things I read, but I haven't

581
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: really really looked into it. Are these typs of hunts

582
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: like a once in a lifetime hunt or is it

583
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: something that I could realistically say, maybe be able to

584
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: actually get out there and do one of these hunts

585
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: in the next five years or something like that. You know,

586
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to sheep, planning on it being once

587
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: in a lifetime. I've known guys that have drawn a

588
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: tag with no points. I've known guys have applied for

589
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: twenty years and never gone a tag. So I tell guys,

590
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: never plan on John a sheep tag. You're just hoping,

591
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: you know. So you know when guys will kind of

592
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: call that. The joker around the office is you know,

593
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: we've all watched that movie Dumb and Dumber. Or he

594
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: asked a girl, you know what his odds are. She's

595
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: like one in a million, and he's all excited and

596
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: he's like, so you're saying, there's a chance. Literally, what

597
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: it's like was sheep hime. It's so like, you know,

598
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: we're willing to throw all the dice every time for

599
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: one hundred to one in a thousand odds because when

600
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: it happens, it's just the greatest thing in the world.

601
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to be on a lot of

602
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: sheep hunts and uh, you know, it is an amazing experience.

603
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: But I never plan on drawn. You know. It's not

604
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: like any of the other tags in the last where

605
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: you're like, I'll draw it tag some day, you know.

606
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: The sheep it's just like you crossed your fingers every

607
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: single time before the draw gets out, and you wait

608
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: like Christmas, and you hit refresh on the intern screen

609
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: times before they're finally close to draws. But you never

610
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: really you know, I think you're in a draw sheet tag.

611
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: You know when you do it's kind of like in

612
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: the water. That's awesome. I sure we love to somebody

613
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: get that chance. It looks it looks just incredible. What

614
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: about you, Dan, would you ever want to do a

615
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: sheep or goat hunt? Yes, that's it. I mean, okay,

616
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: So you know, I've ever since I've started interest in

617
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: the UH, in the in the western type of hunting,

618
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: my focus on like TV shows and in web shows

619
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: has switched to Western hunts and just it's like sitting

620
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: in a in a tree stand and waiting for white

621
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: tail to come by is awesome, But climbing up, you know,

622
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: ten thousand feet and having more of an adventure behind

623
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: your hunt is really what I find exciting. So yes,

624
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: that's a I'm right there with you. I'm excited to

625
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: somebody speaking of speaking of adventure and an incredible country. Um,

626
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: I've got a question for you that's a little bit

627
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: farther west and a little bit farther north than what

628
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: we've been talking about, Robert, what about Alaska? Um, for

629
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: a guy that wants to hunt Alaska, and I'm not

630
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: sure you know how much you deal with that's with

631
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: that state, But for someone who's who just knows they

632
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: want to hunt Alaska? Where should they start? Is there

633
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: species or two that's a good starter Alaskan species or

634
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: starter trip? You know, I think there is if a

635
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: guy was looking to go to Alaska. Um, you know, honestly,

636
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: I try to steer you guys away from a moose.

637
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Um if you can only never hide whitetail and you

638
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: know you've walked up on a two com back and

639
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, you walk up on a moose.

640
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: You're in a toll new world and can't throw them over.

641
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: So a lot of guys for their first hunt up there, um,

642
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, easily tell them to go after like a

643
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: caribou hunt. You know, there's a lot of great fly

644
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: in areas where you know you can hire a pilot.

645
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: He'll fly you in and they'll drop off your camp

646
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: and you can hunt for cariboo for five or seven days. Um.

647
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: Or you know, another great option that's a lot of

648
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: fun is to go to Kodiak Island and hunt the

649
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: blacktail deer. I mean, they they're callable. Um, it's a

650
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: great fun hunt. It's fairly steep, you know, if you

651
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: wait till November, the they're down closer to the beach. Um.

652
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: There are a lot of big bears in there too,

653
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: So I mean that's we started hunt Alaska. You know,

654
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot of guys get a little bit more timid

655
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: and the aid because you know, there's a lot of

656
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: big triggers that live in the woods and go bump

657
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: in the night when you're a new tent. That's the truth. Um,

658
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: I've spent I've spent a pretty good amount of time

659
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: in bear country. Um. But on that very topic, because

660
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: let's address it, there's probably some guys out there like, heck, no,

661
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to go on Kodiak Island

662
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: with these giant, uh, you know, grizzlies. What what kind

663
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: of advice should a white tail hunter who has never

664
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: really spent a whole lot of time in grizzly country

665
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: know about dealing with that kind of animal out there

666
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: while they're hunting. Can you give us a one on

667
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: one on that? Yeah, I would just first advice is

668
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: always carry bear stay. You know, and we all think

669
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: we're a great crack shot, and you know, we continue

670
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: anything that moves, but honestly, if there's you know, coming

671
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: at you a full tilt at thirty yards away. You

672
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: really want their spray. It's gonna put a big pattern

673
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: out there and stop him. Um. Yeah, you might be

674
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: able to hit him red between the eyes with your rifle,

675
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: but I bet you can't do that for you had

676
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: a four times. So, I mean, you know, bear sprays

677
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: is the number one thing I carry, especially you know,

678
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: every year I'm in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming for help. Um,

679
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: I have bear spray um that I carry when I'm

680
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: bow hunting especially, you know, and I always keep it exposed,

681
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: so it's on a holster. Its hugely on my chest

682
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: and next my buyal harness, so it's really accessible. The

683
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: second thing if you're gonna be hunt in the West

684
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: is you know, make sure you have a buddy, you know,

685
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: and not just so much for bears, but if you

686
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: get something down. Um, it's it's good to buddy hunt

687
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: in this country because you know, it's not like you're

688
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: hunting the farm where you've got self service. I mean

689
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the places in Idahome, Montana is mean,

690
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: we don't have self service. And if you fall or

691
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: curt yourself to leaves in there, you know, you can

692
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: be in real trouble, especially if you be going to

693
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: leave a note. So if you're gonna hunt the West,

694
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, and you're in Bear country, definitely their spay

695
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: and definitely you're gonna co out and hunt the West,

696
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, bring a bring a hunting buddy. It's not

697
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: something I would necessarily tell a guy to do, you know, solo,

698
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: unless he's hardcore and that's just how he lives his life.

699
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: There are some there are some hardcores out there. That's

700
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: It's something I've always wanted to do. Um. I haven't

701
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: done it yet, but it definitely I think it would

702
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: be a definitely different experience. Um. But I found, like

703
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: the one other, having one other hunting buddy out there,

704
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: whether he does seem to be a really good fit

705
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: for trips and stuff. It's worked well for me the

706
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: last couple of years. And we'll test that theory again

707
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: this fall. Dan sounds good, Yeah, um, alright. One other

708
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say about hunting the West is

709
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: don't be intimidated, you know, the guys from the East coast.

710
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm intimidated to go hunt the East honestly, and I

711
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: don't know why I just did, but for guys coming

712
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: out to hunt the west. Don't be intimidated. There's tons

713
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: of public land. You know, you guys are great hunters.

714
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: You've been grind it out for years. You know, this

715
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: is just another challenge. You're gonna do extremely well in it,

716
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: you know. Just come out here and give it a shot. Um,

717
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: But don't be intimidated. I mean, these mountains look big,

718
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: but once you started putting one bullet in front of

719
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: the other, you'd be surprised how faster eat at that country. Yes,

720
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: So speaking of that, we've talked a little bit about,

721
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, the specif eiks of getting you know, figure

722
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: out where you're getting hunt and how to get those

723
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: tags and everything. But what about some more advice just

724
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: on that preparation in regards to you know, how you

725
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: should prepare physically, or what you should prepare for mentally,

726
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: or what you should be packing. Can you give us

727
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: some insight into into you know, if you were talking

728
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: the first time guy, you know, and you had five

729
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: minutes to give him the low down of here the

730
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: you know, the five things you absolutely need to keep

731
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: in mind when you're playing in this trip. When it

732
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: comes to those types of topics, what would you tell

733
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: them well, you know, the first thing is being the

734
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: best shape you can be in. I mean, there's no

735
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: such thing as being in two game shape, um, you know.

736
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: But if you're in poor shape, it's just gonna hurt more.

737
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, the better shape in hurts last. But try

738
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: to be in you know, best shapes you can be in.

739
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: I know a lot of you guys are in pretty

740
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: flat countries. You can't really you know, both big hikes

741
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: with a pack on and stuff like that. But there's

742
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: a lot of things you guys can do to prepare

743
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: yourself to be in good shape. When it comes to

744
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: being mentally strong. If you guys are sitting in the tree,

745
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: stand dark to dark for seven days, you're mentally strong

746
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: enough to do anything in the last. Um, how can imagine?

747
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: You know. I talked to somebuddies that hunt out there

748
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: and they sit you know, all day, every day for days,

749
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: and I'm just like wow, I just blows my mind.

750
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: But you know, so mentally strong strong, um you know.

751
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: And again if you have a buddy, that kind of

752
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: helps that because you just you know, you can you know,

753
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: feed off each other if you're gonna hunt the last.

754
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: You know, some of the things for a first timer

755
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: is have a good pair of boots and make sure

756
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: they're broken in UM, and I mean broken in because

757
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: depending on where you're at in the East, you don't

758
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: have too many hills. It's kind of hard to break

759
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: in a pair of boots even on flat ground. And

760
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: you might have had them for a year and then

761
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: hit the first mountain and blister up. So I don't

762
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: know where you can do it, but try to break

763
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: in your boots the best you can, because once your

764
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: feet go bad, your haunts over. I mean, it's just

765
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: miserable after that point. So UM, have solid boots, make

766
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: sure they're broken in UM two or in the three

767
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: or four I lost Jack, but anyways, make sure you're

768
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: right full of sided in UM. I know a lot

769
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: of guys that I've guided over the years from the east,

770
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, three hundred yards and now like it's too

771
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: far in three yeard yards to a western hunter, is

772
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: is a pot shot, and most of the sider guns

773
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: in for three hundred yards. So I mean, if you

774
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: gotta range or someone's place you can go to, you know,

775
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: be confidently out the four hundred yards. I mean that's

776
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: gonna help you dramatically. You know, if you're a rifle hunter,

777
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: if you're a bow hunter, you know, I have tens

778
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: to eighty yard eight yards on my bow. Now shoot

779
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: the bull eight yards. Now about practicing consistently at seventy

780
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: and eighty yards, It makes a forty and fifty yards

781
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: shot seemed like a chip shot. So just be ready

782
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: for those longer shots and take the first good opportunity

783
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: you get for a shot. Um, it's not like they're

784
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: coming into a tree stand and uh, you know you're

785
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of time where they could be

786
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: around you, you know, the scrape or something like that.

787
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: You know, so don't wait for that perfect, perfect shot.

788
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: If you get a good ethical shot and you can

789
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: get it in the vitals to take the shot. Um,

790
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: Other than that thin good quality gear you know, if

791
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: it's anything from your tents to your clothing to your

792
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: ring gear. Um, you know, you just want to have

793
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: good quality gear because again, if you're uncomfortable, the hunts

794
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: are going to be measurable. So are there um kind

795
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: of piggybacking off that gear question? Is there is there

796
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: any tips or tricks that you found that can help

797
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: a first time or maybe cut some costs because what

798
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm running into right now is u this is my

799
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: first official Western hunt. I'm I don't really count Nebraska

800
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: because it was it's flat land and I was able

801
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: to stay at a relative's house every day. Now I'm

802
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: going to have to buy a whole bunch of different

803
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: gear and equipment for this. Just kind of curious if

804
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: there's any tips or tricks that you found that could

805
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: help me spend less money but still get you know,

806
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: quality gear. Well, you gotta look at it this way.

807
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: You get what you pay for with gear. And I

808
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: mean two you gears, sick your gear, first light gears.

809
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: They're all high quality, They're all great Western, um you

810
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: know hunting gear, but it costs a ton of money.

811
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: If you look back ten years ago, and everybody that

812
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: was hut in the West and being super successful was

813
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: wearing wranglers and cards. So I don't think you're not

814
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: going to have a great hunt just because you're not

815
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: wearing the latest, greatest fashion. Um, you know a lot

816
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: of these you know companies. You can find good gear

817
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: that someone's bought and put on you baying you pick

818
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: up half guys or you know, get lucky and find there.

819
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: But honestly, when it comes to gear, my backpack, my boots,

820
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: my optics, and my rain gear are the four things

821
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: that I put all my money into and then it

822
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: goes from there. So you know, ring gear, you've got

823
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: to have high end rain gear, you gotta have high

824
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: end optics, high in boots, and if it's a backpack

825
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: style hunt, you've got to have a high end backpack

826
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: because it's just you know, that's what you're carrying everything in. Um.

827
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: The rest of this stuff you can kind of get

828
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: by with. Maybe you don't have the news latest period

829
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: of sleeping egg and yours is six pounds instead of

830
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: three pounds, But it's going to do the job, you know,

831
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: and you're just gonna to cut weight somewhere else. And

832
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you you know the hunting clothing that

833
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 1: you're using on the East, if he's got any early

834
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: season stuff, it's probably gonna work pretty dying well. In

835
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: the West, the biggest thing out here and probably sing

836
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: with you guys are just layering because you know, in

837
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: the morning it could be below freezing and it could

838
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: be sixty by midday. So you know, for US Western hunters,

839
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, you get the best gear you can buy,

840
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: but just prioritize the stuff that's most important. You know,

841
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: I always feel bad when I run into the guy

842
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: in the field and he's got brand new fit everything.

843
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like he just walked out of

844
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: Cabella's and he's got a pair of hunted allar binoculars,

845
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I know, he's got two thousand

846
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: dollars worth the boots, clothes, and the backpack, and you've

847
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: got a hundred dollar paper knockulers. So definitely prioritize, you know,

848
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: what you're gonna spend your money on. And uh, you know,

849
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: just like that kid that killed that three hundred itch

850
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: or you know again, he was just out having fun

851
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: with his buddies, you know, hunting in his normal clothes.

852
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: You know. So you don't gotta get excited and think

853
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: you have to have the highest gradest stuff. Um, it

854
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: is a great quality last a long time, but you know,

855
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: just you know, put your money where you need to

856
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: to get out here, and then if you're going to

857
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: continue to do it, then every year you can upgrade.

858
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: You know something, It's hard to drop tons of money

859
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 1: and upgrade everything in your first year, like you're trying

860
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: to do. Get the most important things this year, Next year,

861
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: upgrade two things. Year after that, upgrade two things. Pretty

862
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: soon after five years, you've got a pretty awesome outfit,

863
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, from your pack to your sleeping bag, to

864
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: your tent to everything else. That's that's some awesome advice. Um. Yeah,

865
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: I want to pick your brain a little bit more

866
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: about optics, because that's something that's so important, and it's

867
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: especially important out west, even more so than for us

868
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: guys out east. Um, can you give us a couple

869
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: of questions? Really this, I guess number one, spotting scope

870
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: or binoculars? Which one should we be looking at? Or

871
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: should we have both in the number two? Both? Okay,

872
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: tell me more. Can you tell us more about that? Why?

873
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: And then what should we be looking for in quality

874
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: spotting scope or binoculars? Well, we'll start with both. So

875
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: me personally, I carry a pair of tin power binoculars

876
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: on my neck and then I have a scope in

877
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: my backpack. And a lot of guys are like, do

878
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: you really need that spot and scope? Well, here's my deal.

879
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm usually only after trophy animals. If I spot a

880
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: buck that's three miles away through my ten power binoculars

881
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: and I can tell you the buck. If I didn't

882
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: have that spoting scope, I'd have to walk three miles

883
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: through rough the rain to find out if he's a

884
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: shooter or not. I can pull my spotter out, crank

885
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: at the sixty and be like, Nope, it's not a

886
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: Shooter's gonna go right back to glass. So I think

887
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: the spot and scope saves tremendous amount of legwork because

888
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: you can judge something from miles away and know if

889
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: it's what you're after, what you what you want, and

890
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: which it isn't um. And then the other biggest thing

891
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: is if you're out in the west, put your binoculars

892
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: on a tripod. You would be amazed. You'll see more

893
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: stuff When you have your binoculars on a tripod in

894
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: that rock steady, you would not believe the movement. You'd

895
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: find it eight hundred yards of a deer twitching, a

896
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: deer or bird flying. You know, just push the bush. Um.

897
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: So I would highly recommend that. And if you don't

898
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: want to put them on a bipod, you know a

899
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: lot of guys have a trek and stick or a

900
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: walking stick and just kind of sit down and set

901
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: up in the gown and then glass off that. But

902
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: the more steady you can make your optics, the more

903
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: things you're gonna pick up. Um. But I would not

904
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: go on the field, even on a half day half

905
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: without my spon skilled. You know, in the West, there's

906
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: just you know, you can see something over there and

907
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: maybe it's five miles and you don't know if it's

908
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: a bowl or a cow. You know, you have to

909
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: start walking in a letter to figure it out. And

910
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: the spons scope would be able to tell that out.

911
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: So always carry both. Always scarry range finder. You know

912
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys will just use a range finder

913
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: to know, like you know, how far it is to

914
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: take the shot. Um. You know, guys in the East

915
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: you're range and everything. While here in the West, especially

916
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: archer hunting, you know, a lot of times, you know,

917
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: say I find it dead at duck and I arrange

918
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: him and using a hundred and twenty yards and then

919
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: I can range things between me and him and the okay,

920
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: when I get to that red rock com eight yards

921
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: from him, when I get to that downlog, and when

922
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: it be present thirty five yards, I'm gonna be really

923
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: to take a shot. So by ranging the animal and

924
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: ranging other things, you can just do the math and

925
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: figure out how far away you are, and uh, it

926
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: really makes a difference. And when you get up there,

927
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'm within thirty five yards in caiece.

928
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: As you start to kneel, you get ready, he stands up,

929
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, and a time to range again, you know,

930
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: approximately right where you're at. So I use my range

931
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: finder for all kinds of different things rather than just

932
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: ranging right before the shot. Interesting. So then yes, so

933
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I think where you were

934
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: about to go with it was all right. If if

935
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm buying both, what should I be looking for in

936
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: those two different types of optics? Again, I mean, optics

937
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: is the one thing in this world where I truly

938
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: say that you get what you pay for. And I

939
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: mean objects are expensive, but I tell guys, get the

940
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: best you can afford. You know, um, whatever that is.

941
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: If it's a five hundred dollar perbonnoculars and a five

942
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: hundred dollar Sponton scope, you know that's going to do

943
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: you a lot better than um, you know, just the

944
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: parabonnoculars or just a Sponon scope. So whatever is the

945
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: best you can afford is kind of the direction that

946
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I'd be going, you know, and a lot of times

947
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: if there's two of you go on, you can you know,

948
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: go in on the spoton scope together and each bib

949
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: K ooculars and maybe you have a shared spontscope, you know,

950
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: and then if guys going out west, you can take that.

951
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: So I highly recommend a sponscope. And while we're on optics,

952
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: another thing I just want to quick point out is

953
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: again guiding all those years, the guy shows up, he's

954
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: got an eight hundred dollar rifle and a hundred fifty

955
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: dollar scope on there. I tell guys, with ever much

956
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: money you're spending your rifles, spend the same amount in

957
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: your scope. So if you're gonna buy a six hundred

958
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: dollar rifles, buy a six hundrell scope. You know out

959
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: here in the West, you know, sometimes you get that

960
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: chance at that buck reddit, uh, you know, right at

961
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: legal shooting light, and if you don't have a hiring scope,

962
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: you know your scope is gonna be dark. I don't

963
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: know how many clients I've had because they've looked through

964
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: the monoculis seeing the buck and then they looked through

965
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: the scope and I was black because the scope didn't

966
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: gather as much light because they had a cheap quality scope.

967
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: You don't want that to happen, that's for sure. So

968
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: speaking of money, another thing that I know a lot

969
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: of people will be thinking about when planning a trip

970
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: like this is should they go d I Y or

971
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: should they go with an outfitter? What would you recommend

972
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: for someone playing their first hunt. What's the right way

973
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: to go if the guy's got the time to do

974
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: the research, Dent, I've got self guided, you know, I

975
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: really think that if you have the time to get

976
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: the maps, study the maps, makes phone calls, um, talk

977
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: to the biologist, you know, do a little internet research,

978
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I think a guy can put together a pretty awesome

979
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: planned by himself. If you're the type of guy that's

980
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: like super busy, family wized, don't have a lot of

981
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: time to devote to this, you know, maybe guy should

982
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: be your first time out left Okay, all right? And

983
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: I think it probably definitely comes down to to what

984
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: you're looking to get out of it. Like for me, Um,

985
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, I get allowed by fulfillment from all the

986
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: work that I put into the hunt, regardless if I

987
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: kill or anything, I really want to know I did

988
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: all that to get to some point. Um. So for me,

989
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: the I wis d iwise how I would want to go.

990
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: But for some guys, like you said, limited time or

991
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, they might want to go a

992
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: different route. So it definitely seems like one of those

993
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: things that comes down to each person's own priorities and

994
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: then what what their abilities to are I imagine exactly.

995
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: I think it'd be the same thing in the East.

996
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: Some guys won't kind at least plan, other guys only

997
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: want to have public plan. I mean, I think it's

998
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: just you know, everybody's different on their choices. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

999
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: Dan Uh, what are your thoughts on all let's have

1000
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: any other questions for Robert here? Yeah, um, what would

1001
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: you say is the biggest mistake that first timers like

1002
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: my I would consider myself a first time or in

1003
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: someone novice like Mark? Uh, what was the biggest mistake

1004
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: that someone from you know, the Midwest and and goes

1005
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: to the West makes. The biggest mistake I see is

1006
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of twofold. One guy show up in the area

1007
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: and it's so big and so vast, and there's other hunters.

1008
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: If they just get discouraged instantly and they give up

1009
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: on the hunt, before it starts. The second thing is

1010
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: guys don't leave the road. Guys come from the Midwest

1011
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: and they just you know, drive roads and you know,

1012
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: never leave the road. I mean in the West, most

1013
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: of these animals are used to road hunters, and you

1014
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: would be surprised the amount of animals you see throughout

1015
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: the West. Once you break that one mile, half mile

1016
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: to one mile barrier from our road, it's like it's

1017
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: a whole other area. So be willing to get off

1018
00:48:54,560 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: the road. And uh, you know, don't be discouraged. Mark.

1019
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to talk you out of launching this

1020
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: podcast because I feel that there's so much good information

1021
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: that I don't want anybody else to know it. You

1022
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: want to hoard it all to yourself, so you want

1023
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: to myself take advantage of it. A couple of months, Yeah,

1024
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: I understand. Um. I definitely seen the same thing though

1025
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: that you mentioned right there, Robert. Once you get off

1026
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: the road a couple of miles a couple of times

1027
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: I've been out there, it is totally different. And I

1028
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: think for me the experience is totally different too. You know,

1029
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: you're for me, I like going out there to get

1030
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: away from people and so once you get deep off

1031
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: that road and it's just you and the wilderness, it's

1032
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: it's a whole another world and experience, and that's what

1033
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: I really enjoy. No, it is. And there's you know,

1034
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: that's a big difference from the West to the East

1035
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: is we have so much public land in the West.

1036
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: But it's absolutely unbelievable. You can go so many places

1037
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 1: and experience so many different types of hunts public land. Yeah,

1038
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: it's an incredible resource. We're really fortunate that that those

1039
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: types of lands are available for us to use. So,

1040
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, we're getting we're getting pretty close here in time.

1041
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: But I want to be selfish here a little bit

1042
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: and pick your brain on one more topic, and this

1043
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: I think we're relevant to a lot of guys. Um.

1044
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: You know, mule deer and elk again are probably the

1045
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: most popular species that most first timers are going out

1046
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: to hunt, or at least white tailer is going out

1047
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: to hunt. Can you give us, like your brief couple

1048
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: of minute one on one on hunting tactics for each

1049
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: of those species. Um, you know, I'm going out there's

1050
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: a white to hunter. What are the basics that I

1051
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: need to know from a hunting perspective for mule there

1052
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: in the high country and elk, you know, for a

1053
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: guy getting ready to start hunting mule deer um, you know,

1054
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: coming out to the West. The biggest thing that I

1055
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: tell people instantly is the trophies in the eye to beholder.

1056
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: If you see something you want to shoot, shoot it

1057
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: and be happy with it. If you're happy enough to

1058
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 1: it on your wall, that's awesome. Don't be discouraged about

1059
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: what anyone else you're gonna say. And if it's not

1060
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: big enough, I mean, if all you're doing is looking

1061
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: at the cover of our magazine and every the magazine

1062
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: out there, and whatever you kill is going to be inferior,

1063
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: because we're showing the best twenty five animals that were

1064
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: killed in North America every year. You know, threw out

1065
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: the top three or four publications in the West. So

1066
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: come out west, have a good hunt, find an animal,

1067
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: shoot it for meal deer. High country, you know, glass

1068
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: and is your biggest thing. Always wanted glass with the

1069
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: sun at your back. You know, too many guys I've

1070
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: watched they come out and they just think fun glass

1071
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: and I'm doing well, use this gunt, you know, in

1072
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: the mornings, you want to sound to back in the evenings,

1073
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: you want your son sound the back, and uh, put

1074
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: your optics on a tripod. Thin glass, you know, and

1075
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: don't just randomly glass everywhere. Systematically glass in the area.

1076
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: Like I'll start out, I'll look for areas that look

1077
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: like a place where a buck would be, you know,

1078
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: like real bucky areas, and I'm gonna glass those areas

1079
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: first kind of rapidly, and then you know, then I

1080
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: usually go into a thorough glassing pattern where you know,

1081
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: I just started dreading the whole entire area, and I glass.

1082
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: And don't be afraid to spend a morning in one area.

1083
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: Too many guys throw up different knocklers glass for five

1084
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: minutes and I'm like, okay, let's go to the rich.

1085
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 1: And they miss so many things. So if you're gonna

1086
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: commit to glassing and sit down, you will see ten

1087
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: times the animals of anyone else where. It's just walking around.

1088
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: Let your glass do the work and save your feet.

1089
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: If you're gonna hunt the west, that goes for dear elk,

1090
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, so coming to the high country, be prepared,

1091
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, and when you take your animal, like you

1092
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: guys will this here, I'm sure. You know, I'll just

1093
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: be ready to take care of it and get it

1094
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: out before it'll spoil. Um. When it comes to elk cunning,

1095
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, it all depends archer and muzzle loader. But

1096
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, if the guy's coming out on an archering

1097
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: hunt in the West, everybody wants to blow a beagle.

1098
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: Everybody in the world decided to blow beagle. It's better

1099
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: to listen. Just listen, let the elk talk. First, move

1100
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: in on them, and then try to start calling them.

1101
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: Don't be jumping out of your car, running ten feet

1102
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: from the truck and streaming on a Google. Yeah, some

1103
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: bols will get called back to you, but really that

1104
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: you're doing educating the most elk. You know, if I'm

1105
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: gonna be Archerio counton, I'll get up at two in

1106
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: the morning and I'll drive to different areas. If I'm

1107
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: hunting down and like Arizona and New Mexico, there's lots

1108
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: of roads. I'll shut my truck off and I'll just

1109
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: listen and I'll hear bull streaming in the nights. I

1110
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: hear a bull that sounds big enough, then I'll go

1111
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: out after him and I'll just kind of ghost him.

1112
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: Util it gets daylight. If he's a bull, I want,

1113
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: I'll try to harvest him. If he's not, a turn

1114
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: around and go back. Um, and if I'm hunting, you

1115
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: know up in Montana, Idaho in the high country, you

1116
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: know I do a lot more listening than I do

1117
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: call in. I think the biggest mistake archery hunters do

1118
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: in the West is over call because everybody watches on TV.

1119
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: But he's probably the ranches. Someone blows the call and

1120
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: eight teen bulls come running in. Well, as you found

1121
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: out in Idaho, that's not the case. Yeah, Yeah, that

1122
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: was definitely the biggest lesson learned for me from me

1123
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: or one to year two. Um was I just shut up,

1124
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: just shut up and listen and get close before you

1125
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: make any noise. And that seemed to make a huge,

1126
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: huge difference. So, Dan, do you have any final questions

1127
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: for Robert before we let him go and we lose

1128
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: our lifeline to Western expert knowledge? Just one question, Um,

1129
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: where is the largest mule deer in Idaho located? And

1130
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: can you give me directions to him? I'll tell you what.

1131
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I'll send your GPS location of him. Yeah, that's that's

1132
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: a good response right there. Yeah, I hope. I'd be

1133
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: happy just to find a mule deer buck uh come

1134
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: September and get close enough to him. So hopefully we'll

1135
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: I think with this knowledge you've been able to share

1136
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: with us, Robert, I think me and Dan are definitely

1137
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna be in a better position to do so, and

1138
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: hopefully a lot of our listeners will be to whether

1139
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: it's mule deer, elk antelope, or anything else. Um. I

1140
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: think this has been really helpful. Um, so thank you

1141
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: for that, Robert. And if any of our listeners want

1142
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: to take advantage of your resources at hunt and fool,

1143
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: where should they go? You can just go to Hunting

1144
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: Full dot com and it'll take them to our website

1145
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, from there they can learn about

1146
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: us if they have any questions, they can call in

1147
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: if they're not sure they want to be a member

1148
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: or not, and we can explain more of the services.

1149
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: But like I said, it's a it's a giant machine

1150
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: of what we do. And you know, we've been doing

1151
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: this for the last twenty years. And uh, you know,

1152
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: one of the other cool things I just wanted to

1153
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: point out real quick is if you are Hunting Full member,

1154
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: and let's say you do draw a tag in Idaho, um,

1155
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: and you're do it yourself kind of guy. What you

1156
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: can do is you can call up us and we

1157
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: have a member's draw a database for the last twenty years,

1158
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: all the hunters that we've had drawn we put into

1159
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: this database. So let's just say you guys got lucky

1160
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: this year and you drew Unit forty in Idaho. You'd

1161
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: call us up and you say, hey, Robert, I got

1162
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: lucky at your Unit forty in Idaho. We would send

1163
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: you an email of all Hunting Full members have drawn

1164
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: that tag in the last couple of years with their

1165
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: phone numbers, so you could literally pick up the phone

1166
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: and talk to guys they've had that exact same tag

1167
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, you know. And then

1168
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: you can go overmap with them, and they're extremely helpful

1169
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: for a self kind of guy to you know, hunt

1170
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: the West. That's something that we've been doing for the

1171
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: last twenty years. And you have an extremely extensive job database. Wow,

1172
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: that is that's incredible. That's uh, that's really cool. I

1173
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: did not know about that. So it looks like we're

1174
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: gonna be bugging a whole bunch of people on the

1175
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: phone over because that's it's you in the morning, are

1176
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: calling me. I got some questions. That's awesome. Well, Robert,

1177
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: thank you so much. This has been awesome. Um, you've

1178
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: got me even more excited than I already was about

1179
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: this fall. So thank you for that. And um, hopefully

1180
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: we'll chat with you again soon and maybe with maybe

1181
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: with a big deer hunting story to tell you. That

1182
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: sounds great. We'll talk to you boys later. Thanks Robert. Well,

1183
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: that's going to wrap things up here for another episode

1184
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: of the Wired Hunt podcast. And I know we're all

1185
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: white tailed junkies, but every once in a while it's

1186
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: nice to change things up a bit. The adventure of

1187
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: a Western hunt is definitely the kind of occasional changeup

1188
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: that I think that many of you would enjoy. And

1189
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: as I've said a couple of times, I already here today,

1190
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm officially hooked, and I wager that many of you

1191
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: will be too if you try your hand at it.

1192
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: And speaking of if you end up wanting to check

1193
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: out any of the resources at hunting Full that Robert mentioned,

1194
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: you can go to hunting fool dot com slash trial

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Speaker 1: and there you can get a free sixty day trial

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Speaker 1: free trial membership. That said, moving on, as always, we

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Speaker 1: For anyone that leaves a review between now and next

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Speaker 1: app you use. It's a lot easier than listening in

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Speaker 1: our partners who have helped make the podcast a huge

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Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Carbon Express Arrows, hunts, soft

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1220
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Speaker 1: guys make this show. You guys keep me waking up

1221
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: every morning excited to come into work, and you make

1222
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Speaker 1: weird to hunt the really most awesome community of white

1223
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: tail addicts out there, So thank you for that. All

1224
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Speaker 1: that said, I hope you're feeling inspired today to I

1225
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: something new, to get outdoors and chase something, whether it's

1226
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: a white tail or an elk or a mountain goat.

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Speaker 1: And of course, I hope you'll always stay wired to hunt.

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