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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We got a great show planned for you today.

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Speaker 1: Kyle is back for his final time in the chair

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Speaker 1: this week. At least, how's it been for you? So

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Speaker 1: it's been great again. I want to thank everybody for

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Speaker 1: putting up with me. I know that the way these

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Speaker 1: shows work, everybody loves Ogger and everybody loves Crystal, and

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Speaker 1: so when somebody sort of gets in the middle of that,

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Speaker 1: it feels like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, and I listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm not blaming them because I know for my show too,

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Speaker 1: if somebody sat in my chair, people be like, you're

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Speaker 1: not Kyle, Like, get out of here, that would be

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Speaker 1: really weird. That would be incredibly weird. So I want

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Speaker 1: tried so hard on the second show to reel it

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Speaker 1: in with the cursing. Yeah, and I succeeded in rolling

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Speaker 1: one per segment. Okay, but you don't want it to

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Speaker 1: could check out my show, Yeah, Secular Talk on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I was just going to say, there's a story that

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Speaker 1: broke about Hunter Biden that broke after we'd planned this

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Speaker 1: show about because another of his laptops was stolen. There's

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Speaker 1: some other details there, rather salicious that we're not going

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Speaker 1: So you know, in his resignation video, he keeps going

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Speaker 1: resigning when us he's residing today. You had traveled in

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Speaker 1: so sad. So he's done a hell of a job, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: they don't even have to tie it to the infrastructure bill.

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Speaker 1: They could just tell their people, don't just see all

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Speaker 1: the investment I got in my state. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably what happened. You had another theory

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Speaker 1: though about self. Go ahead, I'll let you tell me.

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Speaker 1: I think they're in my estimation, there are three factors here.

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Speaker 1: Number one is it's a corporate friendly bill. Corporations want infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you think about Amazon or other big

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Speaker 1: like deliveries serve like they need roads and bridges and

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Speaker 1: good airports and good broadband in order to conduct business.

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Speaker 1: So business was dramatically in favor of this infrastructure package,

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Speaker 1: so they didn't have to get crosswise with the donor class.

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Speaker 1: They laid out very early on, we're not going to

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Speaker 1: raise taxes on corporation. So I mean, the payers are

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Speaker 1: a bunch of like smoke and mirrors and gimmicks basically,

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Speaker 1: which you find whatever. I don't think you should have

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Speaker 1: to pay for infrastructure anyway. Don't they say they'll do

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Speaker 1: a little bit of tax raising. Sorry to interject, didn't

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Speaker 1: mansion say don't go over a certain amount, but they

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Speaker 1: are going to raise it a little bit. Not on reconciliation. Okay, that'sation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the infrastructure, the Republican said, we're not doing anything

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Speaker 1: to change the Trump corporate tax cuts, so raising taxes

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Speaker 1: on the wealthy, raising taxes on corporations for this piece

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Speaker 1: was off the table, so again fine with their corporate donors.

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Speaker 1: In fact, their corporate donors wanted them to do this.

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Speaker 1: So that's one reason. Another reason is I think that

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Speaker 1: you know, it's oftentimes I think we discount in politics

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Speaker 1: how much just normal human dynamics play a part. And

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden knows a lot of those guys, you Chuck

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Speaker 1: Grassley and Lindsey Graham and Misconna like He's known these

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Speaker 1: dudes forever. So there is a level of a rapport

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Speaker 1: and a level of trust there that I do think

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Speaker 1: ultimately makes a difference. And he is the quintessential like

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Speaker 1: old school insider backslapping Paul something that was very different

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Speaker 1: from Obama didn't like to do any of that and

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Speaker 1: actually look down on Biden for being that sort of

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Speaker 1: old school type of relational politician. So I do think

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Speaker 1: that that helped. And then the other thing that I

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Speaker 1: think here though, and this is the kind of like

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Speaker 1: the cynical take, but I don't think it's wrong to

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Speaker 1: be cynical. Where any of these people are concerned, and

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Speaker 1: certainly where the Republican Party is concerned, is their ultimate

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Speaker 1: goal is to block the law. Your three point five

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar package that Bernie Sanders has been negotiating that

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Speaker 1: actually has a lot more to like about it and

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Speaker 1: a lot more important programs in it, and they're hoping,

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Speaker 1: not without some merit, that the fact that the Moderates

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Speaker 1: got their deal, the you know, mansion and Cinema and

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Speaker 1: the others who were really obsessed with this like bipartisan

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Speaker 1: infrastructure fetish. Since they got their thing, they'll be now

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Speaker 1: less willing to go along with the three and a

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Speaker 1: half trillion, Which is why you know, people like myself

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Speaker 1: and you and Bernie and others on the left always

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Speaker 1: thought like, we got to tie these things together so

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Speaker 1: we can make sure we bring the moderates along. And

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Speaker 1: lo and behold. The strategy that has been articulated to

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Speaker 1: make sure that these two things do sort of stay

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Speaker 1: tied together so that the progressives get what they want

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Speaker 1: and the centrists or corporatists get what they want as well.

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Speaker 1: Is the House is planning to wait to pass the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure bill until they do the budget reconc the three

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Speaker 1: and a half trillion. Several six moderates is being reported

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Speaker 1: this morning are saying effectively like we're not going to

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Speaker 1: vote for that three and a half burnings three and

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Speaker 1: a half trillion budget reconciliation thing until we get the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure package passed. So it does now are they actually

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Speaker 1: going to follow through on that? We'll see, But I

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Speaker 1: think that was the other calculation from the Republicans is

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Speaker 1: basically like if we do it this way and if

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Speaker 1: we work with them on this infrastructure package, then it's

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Speaker 1: going to pull the moderates away and they're not going

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Speaker 1: to want to vote for the three and a half trillion.

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Speaker 1: The last thing that I'll throw out here too is

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Speaker 1: I think Mansion articulated this. You're the one who flagged

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Speaker 1: this for me. Mansion articulated that, like, listen, you've got

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Speaker 1: to do something with us or else they are going

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Speaker 1: to get rid of the filibuster and then you'll be hosed.

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Speaker 1: And so that was also a little bit of leverage

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Speaker 1: that was used here. That's exactly right. So I think

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Speaker 1: you may have a point there that the idea is

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Speaker 1: make it such an overwhelming victory on the bipartisan bill

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Speaker 1: that there's a lot of pressure that goes hand in

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Speaker 1: hand with that on the House Democrats, particularly the ones

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Speaker 1: who are holding out and saying no, it's both or

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Speaker 1: it's nothing. So really we are maybe looking at a

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Speaker 1: game of chicken here a little bit, which is absolutely fascinating.

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Speaker 1: As a general rule, you don't bet on the lefties

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Speaker 1: to win that game of chicken, but you know, nor

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Speaker 1: do you bet on Nancy Pelosi to hold the line

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Speaker 1: right exactly we're doubting on right now, that's green dream

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Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm surprised she even initially said it's both

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Speaker 1: bills or it's nothing. Pleasant surprise, but I was surprised.

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Speaker 1: A couple more facts here real quick. There was a

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Speaker 1: report released all the way back in twenty seventeen, and

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Speaker 1: they said, simply to update our infrastructure, it would take

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Speaker 1: four point seven trillion dollars of investment. So, even though

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Speaker 1: this is a good bill, even though I would vote

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Speaker 1: it if you get both of the bill, both for it,

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Speaker 1: if you got both of the bills, just want everybody

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Speaker 1: to understand it is wildly inadequate given the scale of

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Speaker 1: what we're facing. And then I also want to say,

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Speaker 1: of the Republicans who opposed it, they presented probably the

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Speaker 1: least convincing argument I've ever heard in my life. They said,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is gonna add about two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty billion dollars to the deficit. Please, now, mind you.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say virtually all of them, but I

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Speaker 1: think it might actually be all of them voted for

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Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen Trump tax cut bill, where eighty three

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Speaker 1: percent of the benefits went to the top one percent,

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Speaker 1: and that added over a decade, nearly two trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: to the deficit. So, I mean, it's just, you know,

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Speaker 1: I almost like, give me a better lie, give me

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Speaker 1: a better silly line as to why you opposed their Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is just a slap in the face and an

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Speaker 1: insult to our intelligence. Well, and the other silly line

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Speaker 1: that they gave that we covered the other day was like,

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Speaker 1: this is Joe Biden's radical left walk agenda woke right exactly,

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Speaker 1: Wait how well that bridges the real irony here too?

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Speaker 1: Is that then the Republicans added a bunch of culture

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Speaker 1: war amendments, Right, that's true, about defund the police and

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Speaker 1: about critical race theory. So like that stuff wasn't in

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Speaker 1: the bill. But then the Republicans were like, this is

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Speaker 1: two woke so it I mean, it's literally just roads

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Speaker 1: and bridges, guys, it's not some woke agenda. But they

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Speaker 1: had to layer in the culture war themselves. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, the vote was ninety nine to zero against

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Speaker 1: defunding the police and for increasing funding for the police. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so wait, but now flip it right back on them.

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Speaker 1: So all the Republicans who said they're against this bill.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, So now you've got infrastructure plus more

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Speaker 1: funding for the police and a promise not to defund

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Speaker 1: the police. Sow were goanna vote for the bill because

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Speaker 1: they have? Of course, the answer is completely part is.

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Speaker 1: And of course, obviously if this bill had been put

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Speaker 1: forward by Donald Trump, they all, oh my god, they

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Speaker 1: would love it, gone along with it. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I would vote for it if it came from Trump

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Speaker 1: or by It doesn't matter. But I do agree though

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Speaker 1: that it should be both. It needs to be human

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Speaker 1: infrastructure infrastructure bill. You're right to point out it's like

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Speaker 1: wholly inadequate. It does still contain some privatization skill schemes.

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Speaker 1: I saw David dan Is writing about the broadband piece,

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Speaker 1: is like he continues indulging the broadband monopolists and so

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Speaker 1: not great on some of those points. But it also

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Speaker 1: some of the worst things did get stripped out. For example,

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Speaker 1: they flow with the idea of a gas tax early on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is like just completely hits the working class in a

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Speaker 1: terrible and unconsctable way. So they did take out some

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Speaker 1: of the worst pieces. So I agree with you as

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Speaker 1: long as you are going to actually get something approaching

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Speaker 1: the three and a half trillion dollar deal. I would

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Speaker 1: have also got it in favor of this. So game

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Speaker 1: of Chicken is where we are right now, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens if Nancy Pelosi holds the line for us. Hey,

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Speaker 1: show notes. So, Crystal, why don't you go ahead and

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Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about this new round of

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Speaker 1: COVID misinformation that we're yes while you flagged this, So

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Speaker 1: let's throw Kyle's tweet up on the screen here. Axios

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Speaker 1: leave this up for a minute because I'm gonna explain this.

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Speaker 1: So Axios put out this piece that says new pre

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Speaker 1: prints study found the Pfeiser vaccine was only forty two

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Speaker 1: percent effective against infection in July when Delta was dominant.

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Speaker 1: Study has grabbed the admin's attention. If that's not a

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Speaker 1: wake up call, I don't know what is a senior

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Speaker 1: by an official told me so, leading with the most

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Speaker 1: you can continue to leave this up on the screen,

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Speaker 1: leading with the most scare mongering part of this study

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Speaker 1: you possibly could get. As you point out, however, the

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Speaker 1: study is number one, not pure reviewed number two. If

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Speaker 1: you read the article, it says alone and behold, Maderna's

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Speaker 1: vaccine was ninety two percent effective against hospitalization and Pfizer's

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Speaker 1: was eighty five percent. And also from the article, no

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Speaker 1: data so far has found either vaccine's protection against severe

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Speaker 1: disease and death is significantly less against delta. So this

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Speaker 1: is a consistent pattern that we're seeing. Liberal media knows

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Speaker 1: what their audience, what's going to freak out their audience,

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Speaker 1: the type of information that's going to titillate and scare

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Speaker 1: the crap out of them, and so they are leaning

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Speaker 1: into scare mongering, putting out what is really misleading, if

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Speaker 1: not actual misinformation about the vaccines and how effective they

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Speaker 1: actually are for clicks. And by the way, when you

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Speaker 1: do that, when you were consistently saying the vaccines don't work,

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Speaker 1: guess what, you're also fueling vaccine hesitancy, because why would

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Speaker 1: you get a vaccine and have to deal with, like

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Speaker 1: the couple days of symptoms or taking time off of

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Speaker 1: work or whatever requires to get that vaccine if you're

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Speaker 1: consistently being told by supposedly credible sources that this thing

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Speaker 1: doesn't work all that well anyway, Yeah, this is something

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Speaker 1: that's annoyed me for a very long time, and now,

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Speaker 1: as you see, it's just gotten worse and worse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you are citing how effective a vaccine is, there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of experts who argue this, but nobody

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Speaker 1: in the media seems to agree that. Really, the only

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Speaker 1: number that makes sense is to cite how much does

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Speaker 1: it protect you against hospitalization, severe illness, and death, because

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Speaker 1: that's what people really want to know. Am I going

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Speaker 1: to get really sick? Or am I going to die? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: People aren't terrified of getting a cold, that's exactly right, y,

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Speaker 1: But what they do is so that forty two percent number,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what you just said. That includes people who

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Speaker 1: get COVID but are asymptomatic, and includes people who get

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Speaker 1: COVID and have the sniffles. And it's like, that's just

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Speaker 1: wildly misleading and it is totally sensationalist. They just want

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Speaker 1: the clicks. They just want the eyeballs. And the sad

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Speaker 1: thing is crystal. I forget what the number is, but

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Speaker 1: it's some preposterously high percentage of people who only read

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Speaker 1: the headline yes when it comes. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm also guilty of that many times. You know, like

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Speaker 1: it's just part you know, you're busy, you got stuff

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Speaker 1: you got to do. You scroll through. Sometimes you just

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Speaker 1: see something and move on and you just take it

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Speaker 1: at face value. But the last thing you should do

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Speaker 1: is take it at face value. And actually, one of

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Speaker 1: the best pieces I've seen on this, and this isn't

646
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Speaker 1: an outlet I usually give a lot of credit to.

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Speaker 1: It's not my favorite outlet, but Vox actually produced a

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Speaker 1: segment on this a while ago that I thought was

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Speaker 1: phenomenal because they explained in detail how how you know

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Speaker 1: those numbers came about. There was a governor I forget

651
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Speaker 1: where the governor was, but this governor said, or maybe

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Speaker 1: been a mayor, said we're not going to accept Johnson

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Speaker 1: and Johnson vaccine. And it was like, wait, why why

654
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you accept the Johnson and Johns vaccine? He goes

655
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Speaker 1: it's only sixty six percent effective or whatever. Then no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a baron Florida, and we care about

657
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Speaker 1: our people, so I don't want to give them something

658
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: that really doesn't that's not good enough. Well, come to

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Speaker 1: find out, as soon as the expert sat down with

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Speaker 1: him and explained him what that really meant, that actually

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Speaker 1: this vaccine is just as effective as the other vaccines,

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Speaker 1: and it's still over ninety five percent effective against hospitalization

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Speaker 1: and death. And when they did the studies, it was

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Speaker 1: at different times in the pandemic, so you had they

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Speaker 1: tested the Johnson and Johnson I believe it was in

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Speaker 1: Brazil during you know, the peak of COVID for them,

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Speaker 1: during one of the waves, and it was a new variant.

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Speaker 1: They said, basically, it looks like if we had tested

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Speaker 1: all of these at the exact same time in the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: then we would have gotten exac same results with all

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Speaker 1: of them, which is why the Johnson and Johnson was

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Speaker 1: approved alongside the Pfizer in the Maderna. And as soon

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Speaker 1: as the actual science and the real information was explained

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Speaker 1: to this person and wasn't just sensationalist headlines, he immediately

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Speaker 1: flipped and came out and said I was wrong, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to accept all the different vaccines. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: but this is what I'm talking about. This is the

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Speaker 1: level that we're dealing with. We're dealing with a media

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Speaker 1: that is sensationalist, that is misleading, and it really does

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Speaker 1: a lot of damage in the real world. Because to

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Speaker 1: your point, if you see that headline and it says

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Speaker 1: now it's only forty two percent effective against the new

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Speaker 1: delta area, I would look at that and if I

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Speaker 1: thought that was true, I'd be like, why would I

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Speaker 1: get the vaccine? It doesn't even work right, exactly exactly,

686
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't even work anymore, So why would I bother

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Speaker 1: with that? And they're doing profound damage even as they

688
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: claim to care so much about protecting people and people

689
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Speaker 1: getting vaccinated and all of that. The other person who

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00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: has been consistently pretty good on these issues is Nate Silver,

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Speaker 1: and we can put his sweet up on the screen

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Speaker 1: because he's flagging another instance of media misinformation on COVID

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Speaker 1: in the same direction. So, there was a leaked CDC

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Speaker 1: document that emphasize this notion that the delta variant is

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Speaker 1: as contagious as chicken pox. Chicken pox is famously extremely contagious.

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Speaker 1: One of the most like contagious things that we know

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Speaker 1: about that's out there, and so that sounds really really scary,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, this thing is as

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Speaker 1: infectious and contagious as chicken pox. Well that's not true.

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Speaker 1: It's just not true. This leak CDC document was inaccurate.

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Speaker 1: The media didn't fact check it. They just ran with it.

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00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: They framed it in the scariest possible light. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: delta is very contagious. You can see they're the numbers

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Speaker 1: if we leave that up on the screen, chicken pox,

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Speaker 1: they say, for how does this way? It's like, for

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Speaker 1: every so many people that you're in a room with,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna infect ten people, and for COVID nineteen it's

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Speaker 1: seven people. That's still a high number. It's still fairly contagious,

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Speaker 1: and more so than the original strain, which is that

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Speaker 1: three people. For this are not metric that they use,

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Speaker 1: but it is not in fact as contagious as chicken pox.

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Speaker 1: And so again this was extremely misleading. There were other

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Speaker 1: conclusions and other scare mongering reports that were written up

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Speaker 1: based on this one study. And what he points out

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Speaker 1: if you read down in this threat is he's saying,

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Speaker 1: like I really want to know how and why this

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Speaker 1: document was leaked because people have certain interests within the

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Speaker 1: administration or certain like they may have wanted to justify

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Speaker 1: the fact that they turned on a dime on the

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Speaker 1: mask on their you know, mask requirements, and where they

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Speaker 1: were there, there may have been a minority view within

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Speaker 1: the CDC that wanted to like prove their point and

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Speaker 1: get it out there with the public. So it's always

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Speaker 1: important to keep in mind that even when you're dealing

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Speaker 1: with these with the CDC or public health officials, they

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00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: have their own incentives and interest to spin a narrative

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00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: or convince the public of something that may may not

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Speaker 1: be true. And consistently from the beginning of this thing,

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00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: you know, the media has been very unskeptical about any

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Speaker 1: claims that have been made. You saw this with you know,

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Speaker 1: the Lovely hypothesis and what was being fed to them

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Speaker 1: in that. And they also have their own incentive to

733
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Speaker 1: take whatever piece of information they have and make it

734
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Speaker 1: as scary as they possibly can, even when it results

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Speaker 1: in what is patent misinformation in this case. Yeah, with

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Speaker 1: the media, we can't overestimate the They're just not a

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Speaker 1: lot of these people are just not experts in the field.

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Speaker 1: Now that's also coming from a non expert myself, but

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Speaker 1: I will admit to you upfront, I am not an expert,

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00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: and I'm giving my opinion, and you should definitely try

741
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: to whatever I'm saying, you should check it up against

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00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: what other experts are saying. And sometimes experts disagree with

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Speaker 1: each other, So that's where you have to rely as

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00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: much as you can on your own independent judgment. But

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00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: you get the sense that they will very often in

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00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: the media lean towards whichever thing sounds more hyperbolic and

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00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: more sensationalist. And it's a real shame. And you made

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00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: a great point recently about long COVID and about the

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Speaker 1: way it's been reported with how it affects kids, where

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00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: there was this fear monger Was it a New York

751
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: Times story? It was a very fear mongering story about

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00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: long COVID and kids, and then when you actually look

753
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: at the data, they were really overhyping what the problem was.

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00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: And it's the mirror image because now COVID has in

755
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: some ways become a culture war issue. It's now the

756
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: mirror image of the people on the right who try

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00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: to downplay it at every turn. There are many people

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00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: in liberal elites who try to play it up at

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00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: every turn. Yes, and that's again why you see the

760
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: thing about even when people are vaccinated and breakthrough cases

761
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: are so small, it's like, well, everybody still wear a

762
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: mask anyway, and it's like, well maybe, but at the

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00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: same time, don't overhype and talk about how necessary that

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Speaker 1: is when it's really not nearly as necessary as unvaccinated

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Speaker 1: people wearing the mask. And they go way beyond the

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Speaker 1: thing with long COVID is they go way beyond where

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00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: the science actually is. Yes, you know, there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: a proven causal link between these lingering symptoms. There are

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Speaker 1: some questions about whether this is truely a result of coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it is, maybe it isn't It just hasn't been

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00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: proven out yet. So to take these few instances of

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00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: extreme cases and then to show you some numbers, you know,

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00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: sort of cherry pick the numbers to convince you that, oh,

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00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: this is a typical this is a typical sequence of events,

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00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: This is typical of what might happen to your kid too.

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00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: It's just really irresponsible. And this actually good transition to

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Speaker 1: the next segment because New York Times, you know, who

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Speaker 1: any of these other outlets axios that are putting out

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00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: their own misinformation. They never get censored or called on it.

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00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: They're allowed to put out their like, you know, their

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00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: version of the overcon cautious, scare mongering misinformation. But Rand Paul,

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00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: who recently did a video questioning the efficacy of cloth mats,

783
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: had a very different experience. Yeah, so Rand Paul has

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00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: been banned from YouTube for a week or I guess.

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Speaker 1: Suspended is the terminology that they're using, and they're claiming

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00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: it's for COVID misinformation. So guys, go ahead and throw

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Speaker 1: that first graphic up here. You see it. This is

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00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: from NBC News just in YouTube suspend Center Paul over

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00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: a video falsely claiming masks are ineffective against COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 1: The lawmaker has described the suspension as a badge of honor. Okay,

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00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: so here's some of what he said. He tweeted this

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00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: left wing cretans at YouTube kind of funny. I wish

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Speaker 1: they were left wing. Yeah ahead, Yeah, liberal elites is better.

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Speaker 1: Left wing cretans at YouTube banning me for seven days

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Speaker 1: for a video that quotes two peer reviewed articles saying

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Speaker 1: cloth masks don't work. He wrote, calling the suspension a

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00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: badge of honor. So Paul's tweet included a link to

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Speaker 1: a video. It's the original video, but he's linking to

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00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: an alternate platform where it's still allowed, and YouTube indicated

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Speaker 1: that examples of the offending content in the video include

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Speaker 1: the line quote most of the masks you get over

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00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: the counter don't work. They don't prevent infection. It also

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00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: included the quote trying to shape human behavior isn't the

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00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: same as following the actual science, which tells us that

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00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: cloth masks don't work. So before anybody jumps to conclusion

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Speaker 1: any conclusions on this, I do want to point out

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00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: that Biden's former COVID advisor, the epidemiologist Michael Osterholme. And

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Speaker 1: this guy, by the way, is also the director of

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Speaker 1: the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the

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Speaker 1: University of Minnesota. This guy's an experts expert. He said

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Speaker 1: the same thing on CNN about a week ago. He

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00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: was talking to Christian I'm on poor and he said, listen,

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00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: there's a spectrum with masks and cloth masks are the worst.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think he said, N ninety five's

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Speaker 1: are the best. And so he said something very similar,

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00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: if not exactly alike. And obviously nobody's calling for pulling

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00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: down CNN or banning Michael Oster home or I'm fine

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00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: with panning CNN but no, just kidding, no, even don't

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00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: I will protect right. Yeah, So anyway, we're joking. But

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Speaker 1: I have to d you want to say a thing

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Speaker 1: or should I jump to the video of ball? I

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Speaker 1: just want to say, uh, do I think that Rand

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00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: Paul's rhetoric was unnuanced and irresponsible? Yes, And we're going

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00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: to see example of that because he does. He doesn't say,

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00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: like the expert that you're talking about, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to play that video in just a second, is clear

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Speaker 1: about like the N ninety five masks are really good,

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Speaker 1: right and really effective, and the cloth masks are much much,

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00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: much less effective. Right. He doesn't say they flat out

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00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: don't work, and he's clear that he's just talking about

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Speaker 1: this specific type of mask. And I think Rand Paul,

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Speaker 1: who's a propaganda who I'm not a fan of whatsoever,

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00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: As you guys know, I think he is, you know,

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00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: plays a little like fast and loose with some of

835
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: those things to give people the that mass don't work,

836
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: period and stop and that is not the case. So

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00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: do I think his rhetoric was irresponsible? Do I think

838
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: that he kind of like misled people with how he's right? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do I think he should be banned from YouTube? Absolutely not.

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00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: So absolutely pause here because we are burying the lead

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00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. Let's just play some of his comments

842
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about it. We have either had COVID,

843
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: had the vaccine, or been offered the vaccine. We will

844
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: make our own health choices. We will not show you

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00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: a passport, We will not wear a mask. We will

846
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: not be forced into random screenings and testings so you

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00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: can continue your drunk with power rein over the Capitol,

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00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: President Biden. We will not accept your agencies mandates or

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00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: your reported moves towards a lockdown. No one should follow

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00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: the CDC's anti science mask mandates. And if you want

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00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: to shut down federal agencies again, some of which aren't

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00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: even back to work yet, I will stop every bill

853
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: coming through the Senate with an amendment to cut their

854
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: funding if they don't come back to work in person. Yeah, so,

855
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of that I think as silly

856
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: and goes too far, Like why would you force everybody

857
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: back to work in person, and again studies show that

858
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: a lot of these jobs can be done from home

859
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: and people are actually just as productive and more productive,

860
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: and they're happier standing up for corporate bosses who want

861
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: to have you there to control you. It's the ultimate

862
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: irony of ran Paul, who's like big against like government overreach,

863
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: tyranny and getting involved in your life and oppressing you.

864
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: But then he's like, you know who should be able

865
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: to oppress you and get involved in your life. The

866
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: corporation and the boss. They can tell you what to

867
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: do foreshore, you have no say shut up and do it.

868
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: But the government, No, not the government. The government can

869
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: sometimes corporations can be just as intrusive and oppressive as government.

870
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: So that's the fundamental issue with the part of Rampaul's ideology,

871
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: and also even worse than that, in this instance, he's

872
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: saying he's going to use the power of government to

873
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: force corporations to force workers back into the seat because

874
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, not anyway. And then the other

875
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: thing that here is ridiculous is he says flat out

876
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: mass mandates are anti science, and that is way too far,

877
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: and that's not true, and that's quote, we will not

878
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: wear a mask. Yeah, and that doesn't include any of

879
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: the nuance about like this type of yeah, better than

880
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: that type of mask. And he says screw the CDC guidance, like,

881
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, So there's no it's not like he's

882
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: a responsible act here. Let's just be clear. He's definitely overreaching.

883
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: He's definitely leaning into the cultural war angle of this,

884
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: where like we were just discussing how on the liberal

885
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: elite side they sort of overplay everything and give the

886
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: scariest version of COVID, and then on the right they

887
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: sort of downplay it at every turn. They think everything

888
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: is tyranny. You know, Oh my god, it's such so turannical.

889
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: If you're unvaccinated to have to wear a mask, Is

890
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: it tyrannical to have to wear a seatbelt if you're

891
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: driving in a car. Like that's sort of the level

892
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: that we're playing at. I think that's somewhat analogous. But

893
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: to your point, so, yes, he's not nearly nuanced enough.

894
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: But what I will say is we should stress this point.

895
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: To ban him from YouTube is I think sheer insanity,

896
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: especially since experts are saying similar things. And by the way,

897
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: just covered a story on my show, Marjorie Taylor Green.

898
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: This is now the third time she's been suspended from

899
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: I think it's Twitter, was Twitter, YouTube, Twitter? Okay, so

900
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: third time she was suspended from Twitter. And for her,

901
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: it's a similar situation like she I think she's actually

902
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: significantly dumber than ran Paul, and so she works. She

903
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: says yeah, yeah, so she goes way too far and

904
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: does flat out like COVID denihalism and says things that

905
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: are untrue. So, in no way, shape or form, I'm

906
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: like semi defending Paul on the substance of what he

907
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: said BB Marjorie Taylor Green, I'm not defending the substance

908
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: at all. The one area where there's a tiny grain

909
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: of truth is when she talked about how from the

910
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: Wuhan lab, Fauci funded the Wuhan lab and coronavirus, she

911
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: said is his baby. She phraates it like that way

912
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: too definitive, But the grain of truth is, yes, there

913
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: were grants from the US government that went to the

914
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: lab in Wuhans, so that's factual. But they banned he

915
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: this is her third time being banned. Apparently you get

916
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: five strikes, but listen, man, you can't just say this

917
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: is wrong, this is a conspiracy, or even even this

918
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: is a lie. So we're gonna ban you because that

919
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: is the slipperyest slippery slope of all time. There's a

920
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: whole subgenre, for example, of like AIDS denialism. Now do

921
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: I agree with it, of course not. But if you're

922
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna ban misleading stuff on health, okay, then you

923
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: have to ban that. If you're gonna ban misleading stuff

924
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: on health, you shouldn't be allowed to discuss any alternative

925
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: medicine because alternative medicine doesn't make the cut to be

926
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: medicine medicine right if the evidence is weak? So should

927
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: we do that? Should we ban all talk of supplements?

928
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Because there were studies that supplements don't have the stuff

929
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: in the pills that you buy at the store that

930
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: they say is in it. It'll have like rice powder

931
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: and soy powder. There was a big study on this.

932
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: And also even if it did have the stuff it

933
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: says on the label, there's very little evidence that the

934
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: stuff actually works for the stuff that says it works for.

935
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: So should you ban all talk of supplements, all talk

936
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: of alternative medicine, because hey, we need to protect people's health,

937
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: and then what do you do when there's a conflict.

938
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: What do you do in the situation where the FDA

939
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: approved an Alzheimer's drug, where the board was like, this

940
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: doesn't really work, we shouldn't approve it, and then the

941
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: FDA was like, great, we're gonna approve it. Yeah, So

942
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: you have conflicting stuff. Should you ban people on one

943
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: side or the other side of that issue? In a

944
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: free society, you have to allow people to talk, not

945
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: to mention. Very clear from this segment, juxtaposed with the

946
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: l one that we did about COVID misinformation coming from

947
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: Axious in the New York Times, like they clearly do

948
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: not apply the standards in any sort of consistent way.

949
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: Because let's put Marjorie Taylor Greed to the side for

950
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: a moment. What rand Paul said is no more irresponsible

951
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: and possibly less irresponsible and more fact based than the

952
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: way Axios presented their information of a not even peer

953
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: reviewed study. Now imagine that it was Marjorie Taylor Greed

954
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: hyping some not peer reviewed study on hydroxychloroquin or on

955
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: ivermectin or one of these things. Misinformation band censored all

956
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: of that okay, But when it's The New York Times,

957
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: when it's Axios, when it's you know, they're saying it's

958
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: the same as chicken pox, when it's not the same

959
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: as chicken pox, and that's just flat out wrong. There's zero,

960
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: zero consequence. And it's not just like we're only talking

961
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: about right wingers getting censored in this particular segment, but

962
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: I know you and I both covered plenty of instances

963
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: where this gets applied to the left wing as well.

964
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: You're only protected if it is in fact that you're

965
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: like a mainstream liberal elite outlet. Those are the only

966
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: ones who seem to be able to get away with

967
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: whatever they want to say. And in a lot of

968
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: ways too, when those mainstream outlets put out scare mongering misinformation,

969
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: it's far more damaging because they have such broad reach

970
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: and they're imbued with this sense of like, you know,

971
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: cultural authority, So it does actually more damage a lot

972
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: of times than the type of people that they are

973
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: obsessed with censoring and banning. I think you're exactly right

974
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: to your point. It was every mainstream media network that

975
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: pushed for the illegal and unconstitutional war in Iraq. Yes,

976
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: And the fact is everybody who is making the case

977
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: to go to war at the time was stating misinformation

978
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: or disinformation. Yeah, and so in a world that made

979
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: sense where you have these perfect fact checkers who can

980
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: determine what goes beyond the line and what's a conspiracy, well,

981
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: then every mainstream network would have been banned and it

982
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: would have been like three alternative outlets left in the country.

983
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: You can't like who will fact check the fact checkers,

984
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: who will watch the watchmen. There is no such thing

985
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: as a ministry of truth that gets everything right all

986
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: the time. So all the big networks pushed for an

987
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: illegal war. MSNBC just came off of an orgy of

988
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: Russia Gate misinformation. Yeah, that entire network be banned. Syria misinformation.

989
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: I remember when Brian Williams was talking about the beauty

990
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: of our weapons and this was under the Trump administration too.

991
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: They launched a strike on a I believe it was

992
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: an airport in Syria based on total misinformation, and he's

993
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: talking about the beauty of our weapons taking off in landing.

994
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: Is that glorifying violence because they say they banned people

995
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: for glorifying violence, right, But oh, apparently when it's a

996
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: state actor when it's an official outlet, it's totally fine.

997
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: Brian Williams is rather known for misinformation. That's exactly right.

998
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: But even like the whole idea of even banning conspiracies, okay,

999
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: but then you can't stop where you want to stop.

1000
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: What about nine to eleven? What about JFK? Over half

1001
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: the country thinks the story we're told on JFK is

1002
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: not true? Should you ban any talk of that? And

1003
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: then people what happens? Same? But what happens when there's

1004
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: a conspiracy that turns out to be true, like the

1005
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs, like the Tuskegee experiments, Epstein co Intel

1006
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: pro Like, what do you do? Y'all? Ben it? Because

1007
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: there's just no way to enforce this. That's fair, that's just,

1008
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: that's reasonable. The least bad thing to do is to

1009
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: leave it as is. And the only time you take

1010
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: any action it should be after an open and clear process.

1011
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: And it's because there's a direct threat of violence, you know,

1012
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: or it's because there's docsing. But outside of that hands off,

1013
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: we want freedom. Yeah, And there has to be transparency.

1014
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: There has to be an appeals process, and it has

1015
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: to be applied across the board, which is why, you

1016
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: know a lot of these organizations are complete monopolies and

1017
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: should be regulated as public utilities. At this point, that's

1018
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: the exact right point. Some interesting comments on the mass

1019
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: wearing point from Bilburr. Who was that this one up? Yes,

1020
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: I do so, Bilburr. Comedian Bill Burr absolutely roasted Ron

1021
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: DeSantis in an incredible little portion of his podcast. Let's

1022
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: take a look at this video. DeSantis, whoever this guy is,

1023
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: and they have the most grumpiest looking photo ever. This

1024
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: guy is starting to build his stature in twenty twenty

1025
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 1: four and he says he disagrees on mask mandates. Hey,

1026
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: kids aren't wearing masks. The amount of people who not

1027
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: only don't even own a microscope or even have a

1028
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: pair of scrubs, you know, unless they went to some

1029
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: Halloween party, who are literally questioning doctors. It's just at

1030
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: this point, it's just hilarious. And what do you know,

1031
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: these fucking pieces shit politicians. He knows that that's what

1032
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: his fan base wants him to do, so that's what

1033
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: the fuck he gonna do. Unbelievable. You know what's interesting

1034
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: to me, Crystal is whenever there's somebody who is not

1035
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: like the typical, you know, PC lefty going after somebody

1036
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: like it's easy to dismiss those people like you have

1037
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: pink hair, you're ridiculous, you you know, you overreach. But

1038
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: when it's Bill Burr, super politically incorrect but also happens

1039
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: to lean left on a lot of things. Yeah, like

1040
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: I feel like the criticism is so much more biting. Yeah,

1041
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: you just feel it more. You're like, oh, DeSantis is

1042
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: getting bodied right now. Yeah, that's really true, and it's

1043
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: it's worth providing a little bit of the context here

1044
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: of what he's reacting to that Stantis actually did. Right. Yeah,

1045
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: let me go ahead and dive into this. Let me

1046
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: show you guys this graphic here. So this is in NPR.

1047
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: Florida's governor says school leader's salary may be withheld if

1048
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: they require masks, and then let me read you a

1049
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: little bit of this. As the majority of Florida's K

1050
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: to twelve schools prepared to reopen camps as a full

1051
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: capacity this week, many of them, on Tuesday, Governor Ron

1052
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: DeSantis announced that the state Board of Education could withhold

1053
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: pay from school leaders who implement mask mandates for students

1054
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: to move to potentially punish educators follows days of controversy

1055
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: during which school district superintendents and school board members are

1056
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: seeking to comply with the CDC. They ignored an executive

1057
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: order from DeSantis banning school districts from requiring students to

1058
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: wear face masks. So, yeah, go ahead, you tell Usten.

1059
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: My kids are back in school this week, actually in

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Speaker 1: public school, and they are not required to wear face masks.

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Speaker 1: And the area where I live, you know, isn't in

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Speaker 1: the midst of like a gigantic delta variant surge, so

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00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: personally for our county, and you know what's going on

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00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: with my kids, I'm good with that decision. But what's

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00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: so ridiculous about Republicans is that they're all about, like, oh,

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00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: they're anti big government and freedom and all of that,

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Speaker 1: until some liberal locality makes a decison that they don't

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00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: like and then they pulled the full like authoritarian force

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00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: of the government coming down. And this is ridiculous. These

1070
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: are people who consistently argue for local control and the

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00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: importance of that in a republic and all of this.

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00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: But then in order to make some like weird political statement,

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Speaker 1: you're not only going to ban school systems for doing

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00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: what their school board which is elected and you know

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00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: the parents in their community think is right for their

1076
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: children based on local conditions. But then you're going to

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00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: go that extra level of like punishing them and withholding

1078
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: their salary and all of that. It's just completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that has always struck me is so

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00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: weird is like, you know, these are the same people

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00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: who are not in favor of any kind of vaccine

1082
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: mandate or really like pushing people to get the vaccine,

1083
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: and they're skeptical of COVID. Like, if you want to

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00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: make sure you don't have lockdowns and keep things open

1085
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: and allow these schools to be able to function, then

1086
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: you should be in favor of the type of protective

1087
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: metad like masking that can make sure that you don't

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00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: have to go back into lockdown because there's like a

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00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: breakthrough surge in one of these communities. Now, if you

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Speaker 1: leave it up to the individual schools in Florida, my

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00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: guess is most of them actually would do what the

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00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: Santis wants, which is just you know, they're not going

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00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: to wear masks, and that's fine. They have the authority

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00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: to do that. But remember DeSantis is purposefully going out

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00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: there to say this so that you don't listen to

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Speaker 1: the CDC guidance at the moment, because the CDC is

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00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: saying it's probably a good idea if you guys want

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00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: to do it, So yes, I mean it. It's just

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00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: another clear example of when the decision, when he thinks

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Speaker 1: the decision is not going to line up with his

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00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: own politics, then he imposes and Burr hits the nail

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Speaker 1: on the head, which is that he's not doing this

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00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: because he really cares about masks or any of that.

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00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: He's doing it because it's a it's a political stunt.

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00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: He wants to run for president. He thinks the base,

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Speaker 1: elite the side. This is the culture war issue, right,

1107
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: this is the culture and he's he's very good at this.

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: He's done this the number of times. He did it

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00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: with his like tech censorship thing, which had a gigantic

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00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: carve out for Disney. By the way, but he made

1111
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: protesting bill too. He made a big show of that.

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00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: His protesting bills another great example of banning certain types

1113
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: of protests and also making it effectively illegal for you

1114
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: to run protesters over with your car and making it

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00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: illegal for you to run O. Sorry, made it legal,

1116
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: everybody got it. Yeah. And then the last one was

1117
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: that this was really entertaining to see unfold made it

1118
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: a felony to block a roadway with a protest and

1119
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: then gets who because just blocked multiple roadways, including like interstates.

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Speaker 1: I think with their protests was the pro you know,

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00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: the the Cuba protesters in the recent uprising there, so

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: the the law wasn't applied to them. But anyway, the

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Speaker 1: point is he's very good at seizing on these cultural issues,

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Speaker 1: putting on a big press release, getting a bunch of

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Speaker 1: media attention over it. He put on he also this

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00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: didn't even like come across my radar, but this was

1127
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: apparently a big story across all of the cable news networks.

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Speaker 1: He put out this merchandise that says, don't fauci my

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Speaker 1: Florida and this guy. This guy coverage on all three

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Speaker 1: significant coverage on all three of the cable news networks

1131
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: because I was doing research to see, you know, what

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Speaker 1: they had been covering instead of covering like the coal

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00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: miner strike. And there was another big labor story that

1134
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: hadn't wasn't getting I think the Freedom lay strike that

1135
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: didn't get any coverage either, And so I was like, Okay,

1136
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: well what were they covering? And all three of them

1137
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: had done like multiple segments on this don't fauci my

1138
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: Florida merchandise. So he is kind of the king of

1139
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: like seizing on these stupid cultural issues and making a

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Speaker 1: big show of it for a national base. I did

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00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: see some poll numbers that say in the state of Florida,

1142
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: his approval rating is tanking, but nationwide if Trump doesn't

1143
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: if Trump doesn't run, he's leading in terms of the

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00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: Republican primer. So politically it's working for him. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I guess the final point I want to make is

1146
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: that listen, I there's plenty of examples of like the

1147
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: experts and the doctors at every step of this pandemic

1148
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: being wrong, and so that needs to be said. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, if you're give me one hundred

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Speaker 1: decisions made by doctors and experts and medical advisers, yeah,

1151
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: give me a hundred of those, and then give me

1152
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: a hundred dasantis decisions when it comes to the field

1153
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: of medicine and health, and the overwhelming majority of the

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00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: time I'm taking the doctors and the experts and the

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Speaker 1: medical people over Ron DeSantis a you know, Republican politician,

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Speaker 1: and that's Burr's point. And Burr actually made this point. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I love Joe Rogan, he's a friend of mine. He's great.

1158
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: But bur Burr actually made this point too, Joe Rogan

1159
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: in a podcast with Joe Rogan when Rogan start wanted

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00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: to talk about COVID and he brought some stuff up,

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00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: and Burr's like, really, we're gonna do this again. Listen, Joe,

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Speaker 1: you're not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. Who've done

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Speaker 1: with this? And Joe is giggling because he's sort of

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: Joe knew contrary to what a lot of people believe,

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01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: Joe's actually a really smart guy, and so you could

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01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: see in his eyes that he was like like, of course,

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01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: I know that I'm being silly and I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But Bilber is basically then let's

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01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: knit this in the butt. But done here. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to talk about this. I don't know anything about this.

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01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 1: Let's do a joke instead. Yeah, I do a terrible

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Speaker 1: Bilberg press. I thought that was pretty good, no likely, yeah, no,

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01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: better than what I could pull off. Wow, you guys

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01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: must really like listening to our voices, Well, I know

1175
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: this is annoying. Instead of making you listen to a

1176
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: Viagra commercial when you're done, check out the other podcast

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: I do with Marshall Kassoff called The Realignment. We talk

1178
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Speaker 1: a lot about the deeper issues that are changing realigning

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Speaker 1: in American society. You always need more Crystal and Zagur

1180
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: in your daily lives. Take care guys. So Crystal, why

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: don't you go ahead and tell us what you're looking

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Speaker 1: at today? As we've been discussing here, Democrats this week

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01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: voted to advance a budget resolution that officially launches that

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01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: reconciliation process. Now the top line price tag is three

1185
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: point five trillion dollars, and the budget instructions will now

1186
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: go to all of the Senate committees for a bunch

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: of additional haggling. Inceptmber sometime thereabouts, legislation will likely less

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: than three and a half trillion dollars will emerge to

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Speaker 1: be considered and further haggled over. The Senate version will

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Speaker 1: then be reconciled with the House version, and we will

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: all be here to see what remains. After a mansion cinema,

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01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: the so called problem Solver's Caucus and the Senate parliamentarian

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01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: have had their say. In other words, this process is

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01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: just beginning, and there's some pretty good reason to be concerned.

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Speaker 1: A lot of not just nice to have or important

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Speaker 1: to have, but absolutely critical pieces of the bill might

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Speaker 1: just be left on the cutting room floor. For example,

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Speaker 1: Senator Mansion has already threatened not just to extract his

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Speaker 1: pad of flesh here from the three and a half

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars bill, but to potentially blow up the whole

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Speaker 1: thing entirely. But this isn't another monologue worrying about Joe Mansion,

1202
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Speaker 1: or Here's cin Cinema, or the problem solvers, terrible politics,

1203
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: or even the complete mania of letting the Senate parliamentarian

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Speaker 1: dictate what can and can make it through. For one moment,

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Speaker 1: let's assume the very best case scenario that we actually

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Speaker 1: end up with the full reconciliation package that would include

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Speaker 1: the renewable energy standard, universal pre K free community college,

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Speaker 1: lowering the Medicare age, and all of the other truly

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Speaker 1: laudatory things that Senator Sanders fought to get included. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, I do think he deserves a tremendous

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Speaker 1: amount of credit for making the starting bit here as

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Speaker 1: good as it actually is. So in the very best

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Speaker 1: case scenario, how should we think about this bill? When

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Speaker 1: Kyle and I spoke with Professor Richard Wolf on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: he put it into perspective if this were to pass

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Speaker 1: as is, which is a big if, But if it

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Speaker 1: were to pass as is, would it be the biggest

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Speaker 1: fundamental transformation of the American economy since the New Deal? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it would be since the New Deal. But that's the

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Speaker 1: crucial caveat that you've given. There. We are in a

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Speaker 1: crisis that is much worse in ways I'll mention in

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Speaker 1: a minute than the New Deal. But we're proposing something

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Speaker 1: which is the best since the New Deal, but is

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Speaker 1: mod is compared to the New Deal. If you understand

1225
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Speaker 1: the scope. In the New Deal, we fundamentally changed the economy.

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Speaker 1: We created social Security, on employment compensation, the first minimum wage,

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Speaker 1: a federal jobs program employing millions. That was a staggering transformation.

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Speaker 1: Compared to that, this one, which is the biggest since then,

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Speaker 1: is still relative to the economy modest And that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: So FDR's genius was recognizing that the US didn't just

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Speaker 1: need to plug some holes or shore up some existing

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Speaker 1: programs that an entire reorganization and rethinking of the economy

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Speaker 1: at that point was necessary. He famously wrote at the

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Speaker 1: time that it was quote time for the country to

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Speaker 1: become fairly radical for a generation. He recognized that if

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Speaker 1: he didn't make the economy work for working people, then

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Speaker 1: an actual revolution might happen, bringing to power communists or

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Speaker 1: a fascist or someone else. So don't let right now,

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Speaker 1: Joe Manson or anyone else convince you that all is

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01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: going well for working people in America. What a nation

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: in which all is well? Have elected Donald Trump, and,

1242
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: by the way, be contemplating electing him again, of course not.

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Speaker 1: Inequality has never been higher, addiction and overdose deaths have

1244
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: never been higher, suicide rates have never been higher, and

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01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: life expectancy has been declining for years now. Last year

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Speaker 1: it dropped to the lowest level since two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: So do we need a new deal? Yes, we do.

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Speaker 1: Is this program as conceived a new new deal? No,

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Speaker 1: it's not even at its very best. It doesn't even

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Speaker 1: catch us up to where the rest of the developed

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01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: world is in terms of a social safety net. Let

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Speaker 1: alone lead the way in rethinking what a new economic

1253
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: model might look like. But there's another consideration here, which

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01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: comes into increasing focus with each passing day. A new

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Speaker 1: economic model must include a radical change in our approach

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Speaker 1: coach to the climate. It is absolutely clear the climate

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Speaker 1: is warming. The consequences have arrived, and they are even

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Speaker 1: worse than we thought. The planet has already warmed one

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Speaker 1: point one degree celsius, and the resulting fires, droughts, and

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Speaker 1: floods are going to get worse for the next thirty years.

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Speaker 1: That's no matter what we do. We're also on track

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Speaker 1: to quickly blow past the one point five degrees celsius

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Speaker 1: increase that scientists have long identified as a crucial tipping

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Speaker 1: point for the future of the planet. The track we

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Speaker 1: are currently on would have us warming the planet by

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Speaker 1: between five and a half and eleven degrees that's fahrenheit

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Speaker 1: over the next eighty years. However catastrophic you think that

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Speaker 1: would be, it would be worse constant natural catastrophes, massive

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Speaker 1: instability and war due to resource scarcity and refugee flows,

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Speaker 1: crop failures, famine, Miami underwater, the Middle East, uninhabitable, mass extinctions,

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Speaker 1: true dystopian nightmare stuff. Now, we should have acted thirty

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Speaker 1: years ago or twenty years ago in the Obama years,

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Speaker 1: and if we had the kind of gentle changes that

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Speaker 1: are being contemplated by the Biden administration might approach being sufficient.

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Speaker 1: But we didn't do that, and so even the best

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Speaker 1: case scenario for reconciliation, untouched by Joe Manchin's meddling, is

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Speaker 1: not even close to enough. Ryan Cooper The Week laid

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Speaker 1: that out laid out that inadequacy of what's being contemplated

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Speaker 1: quite well in a rather alarming piece titled American government

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Speaker 1: is heading for a climate induced legitimacy crisis, so he

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Speaker 1: writes there, Democrats are hoping to pass a separate reconciliation

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Speaker 1: bill with about three and a half trillion dollars in

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Speaker 1: additional spending over ten years. That's roughly one percent of GDP.

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Speaker 1: A modest bill, but even if that was entirely climate stuff,

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Speaker 1: and only a small part actually is, it is maybe

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Speaker 1: a fifth the size of what a serious attack on

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Speaker 1: climate change would be. Progress is being made, but it

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Speaker 1: just is not anywhere near the scale of the problem. Then,

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Speaker 1: because Democrats will likely lose control of the House of

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Speaker 1: Representatives at least next year, and Republicans don't believe in

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Speaker 1: doing anything about the climate problem, that will probably be

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Speaker 1: it for climate policy for the rest of the decade,

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Speaker 1: if not longer. He then makes the case that such

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Speaker 1: monumental failures of government and elites to respond to clear

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Speaker 1: and present dangers are precisely the sort of stuff that

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Speaker 1: revolutions are made of. Its argument, frankly, is rather compelling. Now, Look,

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Speaker 1: it might today be the college educated and the young

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Speaker 1: who are primarily concerned about the climate, but there is

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Speaker 1: no doubt that it will be the poor in the

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Speaker 1: working class who are bearing the brunt of the catastrophe. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: they already are, after all, who will be left without

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Speaker 1: the resources to adapt, who will be forced to work

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Speaker 1: outside in unlivable heat, who will bear the brunt of

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Speaker 1: resource shortages and be unable to rebuild after their lives

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Speaker 1: are turned upside down by extreme weather events, And who

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Speaker 1: will correctly blame the elites that were more interested in

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Speaker 1: the next campaign check from Exonmobile than they were an

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Speaker 1: averting disaster. So look, I am cheering for the three

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Speaker 1: and a half trillion to get through, let me be

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Speaker 1: clear about that, and to survive as close to intact

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Speaker 1: as possible. I do not want to downplay the significance

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Speaker 1: of the child tax credit, the investments in care and

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Speaker 1: housing and health. But we also can't close our eyes

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Speaker 1: to that bigger picture. The carbon dioxide in the air

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Speaker 1: does not care about political realities or midterm elections. This

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Speaker 1: scientific certainty carries on with the ultimate version of f

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Speaker 1: your feelings. Even in the best case scenario, that bigger

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Speaker 1: picture ends in catastrophe. And so listen, I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: a lot about how to think about one more thing,

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Speaker 1: I promise. Just wanted to make sure you knew about

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Speaker 1: my podcast with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends,

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Speaker 1: where we do long form interviews with people like Nom Chomsky,

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Speaker 1: Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any

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Speaker 1: podcast platform, or you can subscribe over on substack to

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Speaker 1: get the video a day early. We're going to stop

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Speaker 1: bugging you now enjoy. All right, Kyle, what are you

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Speaker 1: looking at? So I have the worst example of the

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Speaker 1: media failing for you this week? This really is something else.

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Speaker 1: Brian Stelter went on Colbert's Late night Show, where he

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Speaker 1: proceeded to make a fool of himself discussing the Cuomo

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Speaker 1: brothers and the network's conflict of interest. He the New

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Speaker 1: York Times has just reported a report just dropped because

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Speaker 1: it had been alleged that he was helping his brother

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Speaker 1: with his you know, his communications team. New York Times

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Speaker 1: is reporting that that's true. Chris was helping his brother.

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Speaker 1: What has that create any conflict over at CNN behind

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Speaker 1: closed doors? Are people mad at him? Or is he?

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Speaker 1: Is he in trouble? Some people are mad at him.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I can confirm the New York Times report.

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Speaker 1: I'll confirm it for your viewers. I also have a

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Speaker 1: source that says Chris was on the phone with his

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Speaker 1: brother this week. Is your source? He is not. He

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Speaker 1: is not. You gotta have boundaries, you gotta draw a

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Speaker 1: line why he doesn't. I think he does. Actually, really

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Speaker 1: I think Chris does. I don't know about the governor,

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Speaker 1: what the boundaries does? What bound the boundary that CNN

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Speaker 1: management presented to him in May when when they admitted

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Speaker 1: he screwed up, they said, you know, what you did

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Speaker 1: was inappropriate. You were on the phone with your brother's

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Speaker 1: aides advising him on what to do, and that was inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: But they said, of course you're to talk to your brother.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing more important. He didn't talk about

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Speaker 1: his brother. Once the trouble started, he said, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to talk about my brother, and that was also

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Speaker 1: a management ruling, and so the way I might rulled

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Speaker 1: that way when his brother was on the show pretty

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Speaker 1: much every night during the COVIDU, I think it's really

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Speaker 1: companies like an odd conflict of rules. It is an

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Speaker 1: odd conflict, but I don't think if we open up

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Speaker 1: the journalism ethics book, there's no page for this. It's

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Speaker 1: the craziest out of circumstances you can imagine, right, a

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Speaker 1: governor and a brother both in these high profile jobs.

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Speaker 1: This was definitely awkward for CNN. Though it's awkward for

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Speaker 1: CNN because it exposes it for what it is, a

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Speaker 1: propaganda network for the corporate democrats. It really isn't really complicated,

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Speaker 1: as Brian Stelter says, it's simple, and on the contrary,

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Speaker 1: there is a page for this in the Journalism Ethics book.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's the point of the entire book. Past

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Speaker 1: the entire book, look at the sections on conflict of

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Speaker 1: interest and rank bias. Chris was advising his brother on

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Speaker 1: how to respond to allegations of sexual harassment and assault.

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Speaker 1: That's hardly objective which a news anchor is supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: That's hardly neutral, which one could argue a news anchor

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Speaker 1: is supposed to be. Brian was saying that Chris was

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Speaker 1: advising Andrew to step down as governor there. I don't

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Speaker 1: buy it. I highly doubt it. And what's really happening

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Speaker 1: here is Brian Stelter is trying to save whatever tiny

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Speaker 1: scraps of his reputation, of Chris Cuomo's reputation remains, and

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Speaker 1: Stelter is helping him launder his image back into polite society.

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Speaker 1: And my guess is he's sitting there crossing his fingers

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Speaker 1: hoping that he doesn't get axed. So Brian said, quote,

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Speaker 1: I think Chris does have standards and boundaries he won't cross.

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Speaker 1: A claim so preposterous it even made liberal elite ally

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Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert recoil in disgust. That's really something. CNN said,

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Speaker 1: what you did was inappropriate to Chris. This is what

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Speaker 1: we're told, but they one hundred percent signed off on it.

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Speaker 1: CNN banned Cuomo from talking about his brother, So understand

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Speaker 1: that he was allowed to do propaganda for him, but

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Speaker 1: he can't accurately report against him. Uh. The fact of

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Speaker 1: the matter is it's not just Brian Stelter. The entire

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Speaker 1: media built a false narrative around Cuomo. Watch this, David,

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Speaker 1: we're sending by for Governor Cuomo's press conference is daily briefing.

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Speaker 1: How would you contrast Cuomo and President Trump's handling of

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Speaker 1: the crisis truth versus mendacity. Governor Cuomo out there day

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Speaker 1: after day after day. Everything Trump isn't honest, direct, brave,

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Speaker 1: real leadership of the kind of President of the United

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Speaker 1: States should have provided. Governor Cuomo is clearly living in

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Speaker 1: a totally different reality, the actual one, than the President

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Speaker 1: of the United States. Governor Cuomo has become a national

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Speaker 1: leader people, Andrew Clomo has become the leader of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. He is conveying incredible strength. I spoke to

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Speaker 1: National Guard troops today and a stirring speech that if

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Speaker 1: I wasn't listening carefully, I thought you were sending soldiers

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Speaker 1: off to war. This has been a remarkable show of

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Speaker 1: leadership by Governor Cuomo in recent days. He's providing hope,

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Speaker 1: but not false hope. Governor of Cuomo, I think, is

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Speaker 1: one of the heroes on the front lines. With all

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Speaker 1: of this adulation that you're getting for doing your job?

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Speaker 1: Are you thinking about running for president? Andrew Cuomo, who

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Speaker 1: has a daily television show now and has become in

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Speaker 1: some way as the shadow president. Maybe Trump is just

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Speaker 1: a little bit mad that Governor Cuomo has become a

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Speaker 1: kind of acting president. Dealing with hardship actually makes you stronger,

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Speaker 1: That's what Governor Cuomo said earlier today. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go teach my kids right now at home, speaking

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Speaker 1: about the delicacy of the nose. And that's what you know,

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Speaker 1: what I understand. This is the normal swab I'm holding

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Speaker 1: up here now for everybody at home, a very valuable object.

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Speaker 1: There's only one company in the entire country that makes

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Speaker 1: these up in Maine. All right, here's this film. Is

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Speaker 1: it true that this was this swab that the nurse

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Speaker 1: was actually using on you, and that at first it

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Speaker 1: went into your nose and disappeared, so that in scale,

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Speaker 1: this was the actual swab that was being used to

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Speaker 1: fit up that double barrel shotgun that you have mounted

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Speaker 1: on the front of your pretty face. See so funny.

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Speaker 1: And this is just a little sample of what really

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01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: went on. I could have picked a thousand more clips, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, when they talked about, Hey, yah, Sunday dinners.

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Speaker 1: We have the spaghetti and meatballs, and man talks to

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Speaker 1: us and it's wonderful. This was on CNN, supposed to

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Speaker 1: be the number one name in news. So why did

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: they do this? They did this for two reasons. Number one,

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Speaker 1: quite simple, they're partisan hacks. They defend the corporate Democrats

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Speaker 1: all day and night. But number two, they want an

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Speaker 1: anti Trump hero, and so they fell for the theater

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01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: and pushed the theater on everybody else. They built this

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Speaker 1: narrative on vague character traits that they projected onto Andrew Cuomo.

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01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: But I'm here to give you his real record. His

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,839
Speaker 1: real record is as follows. He made the executive decision

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Speaker 1: to send COVID positive patients back to nursing homes, leading

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Speaker 1: to countless deaths. He lied and covered up the true

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01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: death toll from COVID in all of New York State.

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Speaker 1: He gave immunity to nursing home executives so they couldn't

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Speaker 1: be sued, and he allowed the industry to write the law.

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Speaker 1: He made five million dollars from a book about how

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Speaker 1: he led New York through COVID when New York was

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Speaker 1: actually hit hardest in the nation at the time. He

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Speaker 1: gave his family and allies VIP treatment and access to

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01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: COVID tests when they were really hard to get. He

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: created the Morland Commission to investigate corruption, then he disbanded

1452
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: it when it looked into his allies and by extension him.

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01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: A federal jury convicted Cuomo's right hand man, executive deputy

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Speaker 1: deputy secretary and campaign manager, Joseph Percoco. They found him

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01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: guilty of accepting more than three hundred and twenty one

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars in bribes. He cut Medicaid Andrew Cuomo did

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, cut healthcare during a pandemic. These are

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Speaker 1: the facts. Some of these things were even known while

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01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: the media was lionizing him as a great man and

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01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: a great leader. The perpetual failure of the media is

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01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 1: a reminder that just because they have billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: and name recognition and the veneer of respectability does not

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Speaker 1: make them good at their job. In fact, much smaller

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Speaker 1: independent YouTube shows like Breaking Points and like my show

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01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: Secular Talk can run circles around them. And guess what,

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Speaker 1: that's not because we're so good good, It's because they

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Speaker 1: are just that bad. So Crystal, I think we're also

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Speaker 1: that good. But anyway, go on, Oh you think we're

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Speaker 1: also that good. I'm a chilly man who makes part

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Speaker 1: with it. So joining us. Now we've got the founder

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Speaker 1: of the Daily Poster. Great friend of the show, David Starata.

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Speaker 1: Great to see David, great to see you. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. Of course, So we were just chatting about

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Speaker 1: Governor Cuomo. I know one of your personal favorites. You've

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Speaker 1: been a long time admirer of his leadership in New York. Now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, David, you get a lot of credit

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Speaker 1: because before anyone was covering this guy's actual record during COVID,

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: you were highlighting, in particular the corruption with the liability

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01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: shield that he lifted directly from industry language in order

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Speaker 1: to protect nursing home executives. Why do you think it

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: is that this time he actually got taken out and

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01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: ends up resigning. And also, why do you think it

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01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: is that those scandals with regards to the nursing home

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01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: and hiding the deaths and corruption and all of that,

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Speaker 1: why that wasn't sufficient? They came out to start with. Well,

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01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: that's the disturbing thing is that there was a lot

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01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: that came out about his actual record on economic policy,

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01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: on healthcare policy, and the like. Corruption A lot came

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01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: out before the details of him being a sexual predator

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01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: came out, and the law enforcement apparatus really did not

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01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: move against him, and the political apparatus really did not

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01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: move against him until the sexual harassment stuff all came

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01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: out after the other stuff. So the question is, have

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Speaker 1: we actually normalized all of the other stuff. I mean,

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01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: have we actually sent a message as the political system

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01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: and the governmental law enforcement system sent a message to hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you bury the data on nursing home deaths,

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Speaker 1: if you give corporate liability shields to your nursing home

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: industry donors all to get a five million dollar book

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Speaker 1: deal for yourself, is that all okay? Right? And I

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: think when we walk away from this and we look

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: at this, I think the answer is that the political

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01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: and government and law enforcement system basically said, yeah, that

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01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: stuff is fine. Being a sexual predator is not fine. Now. Look,

1505
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: it's good news that Andrew Cuomo is being forced from

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01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: office because of those the details of him being a

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: sexual predator, like that stuff is what he did was

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01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: really really bad. But I think the question is why

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: was the other stuff okay? And I would suggest that

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01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: part of it has to do with the fact that

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01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 1: if you go after Andrew Clomo for what he did

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01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: on nursing home issues and corruption doing favors for his donors,

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01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: then the political system itself is essentially a scandalizing and

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01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: criminalizing a lot of stuff that the system itself has

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01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: been involved in. Other words, a lot of those members

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01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: of the legislature, for instance, who might want to impeach

1517
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: him or would consider impeaching him over the nursing home issue,

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01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: in some way they were complicit too, right, I mean

1519
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: the Democrats in the New York Assembly, they got a

1520
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: lot of money from the same healthcare interests that were

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01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: given a legal liability shield for what they did in

1522
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: the COVID disaster. So to go after that would be

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01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: to potentially open up other scrutiny of other people in

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01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: New York politics, and so it was kind of swept

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01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: under the run. So, David, this is a pretty simple question.

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Speaker 1: But do you think he would have gotten away with

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01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,560
Speaker 1: everything else in the long run if there wasn't the

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01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: sexual harassment stuff? Because I was reading last night and

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01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: you actually wrote a lot of the stuff that I

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01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: was reading, but you know, there was an investigation into,

1531
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: or is an investigation ongoing into we used to be

1532
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: called the tap and Z Bridge and now it's called

1533
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: the Cuomo Bridge because they used the incorrect bolts and

1534
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: the bolts were breaking for the bridge and they tried

1535
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: to bury that. So could he potentially have gone down

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01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: for something like that? Could he have gone down for

1537
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: the fact that his right hand mand and former campaign

1538
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,799
Speaker 1: manager went down for over three hundred thousand dollars in bribes?

1539
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: Could he have gone down for the nursing home saying

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01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: what's your take on that? Well, Look, there's a lot

1541
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 1: of scandals in Andrew Cuomo's past and he's managed to

1542
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: basically just muscle through them by it. And I think

1543
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: we live in an euro where politicians have realized that

1544
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: if they just don't say anything and they just stay put,

1545
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: they can essentially power through things scandals that used to

1546
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: take down other politicians. Now, I don't know what would

1547
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: have come out in a federal prosecution investigation with subpoena power.

1548
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: It's not clear what would have come out in a

1549
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: full impeachment inquiry and an impeachment process, So it's hard

1550
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 1: to say whether he would have survived. But my point

1551
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: is is that we saw during the COVID, the last

1552
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: surge of the pandemic last year, that he was considered

1553
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: a rising star and portrayed as a great hero in

1554
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: the media as that nursing home situation was unfolding, and

1555
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: as whistleblowers in the New York Legislature, people like Assemblyman

1556
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: Ron Kim were blowing the whistle, and essentially the political system,

1557
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: the media system didn't really care about those alarms. It

1558
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: just continued forward portraying him Cuomo as a great hero.

1559
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: So I kind of think that what we've done is

1560
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 1: we've normalized a level of corruption that that really defines

1561
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: politics in America today. I mean, and to be to

1562
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: be clear, look, Chris Christie proved this before right right

1563
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: across the bridge in New Jersey, right, Chris Christy had

1564
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 1: that huge scandal. Now, granted had hurt his favorability ratings,

1565
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,959
Speaker 1: but Chris Christie remained in office through that entire scandal

1566
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: and just kind of muscled through it. And so it

1567
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: leaves us with the with the idea that if you're

1568
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: a politician who does really really all scandalous things in

1569
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, you can just sit there and

1570
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: and essentially muscle through it. Yeah, and still to this day,

1571
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: to the point that you know, when President Biden has asked, well,

1572
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 1: putting aside the sexual harassment stuff, did he do a

1573
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: good job? Hell of a Job's find the job that's right.

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01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, David, to lay out a

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01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: little bit more of this latest piece you wrote about

1576
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: Obama and climate. We've been covering here a lot this

1577
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: week the UN Climate report that came out that really

1578
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: laid out just how dire the situation truly is, how

1579
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,600
Speaker 1: far we've already gone down a very ugly path. Some

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01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: of the damage irreversible. The floods and the droughts and

1581
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: the wildfires we're experiencing now going to continue no matter

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01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: what we do for the next thirty years. The ice

1583
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: that's melting, all of those things going to continue for

1584
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: even longer. That's not to say we can't act and

1585
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: forestall the worst possible outcomes, however, and you're talking about

1586
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: how Look, we had another era of democratic control, and

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01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: we had a chance at that point to act earlier

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01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: and get a handle on these things. And not only

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01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: did we not act, but we did the opposite of

1590
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: that under the Obama administration, just make the case for us. Yeah,

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01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is something we really have

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01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: to remember right now because there aren't going to be

1593
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: that many moments. It made this say, be the last

1594
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: moment where you have democratic control of Washington, so actually

1595
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: a chance to pass real things on climate because when

1596
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: the Republicans are in control, I mean that that is

1597
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: a party of climate, of full explicit climate denihalism. But

1598
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: we have to remember that during the Lama era, there

1599
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: was one way you could look at the policy of

1600
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: the Obama era was another form of climate denial. I mean,

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01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: there is a clip of Barack Obama only three years

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01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: ago demanding an audience thank him. He said, that was

1603
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 1: me people. That's the quote. When talking about record oil production,

1604
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: record fossil fuel production during the Obama era. He gave

1605
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 1: a speech in twenty twelve in Oklahoma touting all sorts

1606
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: of drilling records that were being broken, all sorts of

1607
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: pipeline infrastructure construction levels that were unprecedented that he was

1608
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: presiding over and that he was supporting during his presidency,

1609
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 1: and there wasn't much democratic pushback, at least not pushback

1610
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: to change that policy. So the point is is that

1611
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: if you actually look at the Obama administration record on

1612
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: fossil fuels flooding into the world market, you know, lifting

1613
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 1: the crude oil export ban and the like, it was

1614
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: a record that if we repeat at this point of

1615
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: democratic control of Washington, we're essentially doomed. And the scary

1616
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: thing is, the really scary thing is is that even

1617
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours you've seen a kind

1618
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: of echoes of what's gone on, what went on in

1619
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: the Obama era. You know, Obama great rhetoric on climate,

1620
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: acknowledged it explicitly, and look, he wasn't all bad. I mean,

1621
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: he did solidify or at America as a participant in

1622
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 1: the in the Paris Accords, So it wasn't all bad.

1623
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: Certainly better than Donald Trump. But the point is is

1624
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: that if you look at even what happened the last

1625
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, same thing, right, Biden, this has tweeted out,

1626
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, climate is an emergency, we can't wait. And

1627
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: then within the same twenty four hour window he goes

1628
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: out and he calls for OPEC to increase the production

1629
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: of oil. Now, look, we have a serious problem with

1630
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: the world market and oil production and if it's not

1631
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: produced in the United States, it'll be produced elsewhere, And

1632
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: how do we actually deal with that? Those are all

1633
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: legitimate questions, But there's obviously a fundamental contradiction when a

1634
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: president is saying take climate change seriously and then pushing

1635
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: for more oil production. That's what happened in the Obama era,

1636
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: and it was a disaster. If that happens again in

1637
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: this era, it will be an even worse disaster. Now,

1638
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 1: all of that is a bummer, but here's the silver

1639
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: lining is that I think that politics has changed a

1640
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: bit since the Obama era, and you do have a

1641
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: handful of legislators who are now saying they are not

1642
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: going to pass the infrastructure bill unless and a serious

1643
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: climate bill passes along with it. That kind of dynamic

1644
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: in democratic politics really did not exist before. And so

1645
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: those legislators who are saying they're going to hold out,

1646
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: whether or not they actually follow through, and that's a

1647
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: big if. If they follow through or not, that is

1648
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: a huge thing. It could be a game change. Yeah, So, David,

1649
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: how do we overcome This is a point that Crystal's

1650
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: made over and over. I think Mansion is the head

1651
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: of one of the committees that's going to be in

1652
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: charge of stripping out a lot of these provisions on

1653
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: climate and so I guess my question is how do

1654
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 1: we overcome that? Is it like a bottom up thing.

1655
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: Do we need bodies in the streets immediately to have

1656
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: any chance at all? Or is it if these lawmakers

1657
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: that you just described the left flank, if they hold

1658
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: the line, is that going to be enough to get

1659
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: something done? How do we get from point A to

1660
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: point B. Well, I think it's all of the above.

1661
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I think legislatively, I think that that the and you

1662
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of process being thrown out the

1663
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: Reconciliation bill and the infrastructure bill. But it's the basics

1664
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: are this Joe Mansion and christ and Cinema and conservative

1665
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: Democrats really want that infrastructure build that smaller bipartisan infrastructure

1666
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: bill which doesn't have much climate stuff in it at all.

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01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: They really really want that. So the strategy here is

1668
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: that and this is the so called no climate, no

1669
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: Deal strategy. The strategy is basically, we will not pass

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01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: that bill until the bill with the climate stuff, the

1671
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: reconciliation bill, also passes, and it's kind of a game

1672
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: of chicken and the idea is that the best leverage

1673
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 1: that you have on Joe Mansion is if he wants

1674
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: that infrastructure bill, then he will have to accept the

1675
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: reconciliation bill. And that to me that seems like just it.

1676
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: Within this legislative battle here, this specific battle, that's what

1677
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: the no Climate, no Deal crew has to hold out

1678
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: for and is saying they will hold out for now. Look,

1679
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: we've been down this road before. I mean, the same

1680
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: crew of progressive legislators did not hold out for a

1681
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,440
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars minimum wage back in the first big Abidens

1682
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: spending bill. So again, whether or not they hold out

1683
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 1: is actually the big question, And whether or not they're

1684
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: really willing to play a game of chicken with Mansion

1685
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: is the question. And here's the thing is that if

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01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: they are willing to hold out, the best they can

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01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: hope for, I think is that it would mobilize the

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Speaker 1: full force of the White House to put the screws

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Speaker 1: on Mansion. In other words, the White House wants all

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Speaker 1: these bills as well. So the way to actually mobilize

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01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 1: the White House's apparatus is to say to the White House,

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Speaker 1: if you don't fulfill our demands for that Reconciliation Bill.

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Speaker 1: You're not getting any of this, and that mobilizes the

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Speaker 1: White House to actually put the pressure on the moderate

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Speaker 1: part the conservative wing of the Democratic Party. Last question

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, David. I saw this conversation

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Speaker 1: popping up on Twitter after Nina Turner lost in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic primaries, basically like you silly lefties, like, of course

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Speaker 1: you're not going to win when you all are running

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Speaker 1: around criticizing Barack Obama, who's wildly popular in the Democratic base,

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01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: don't you know this isn't the way to get ahead

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01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: in terms of politics. So I wonder if you could

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Speaker 1: explain why what you make of that criticism to start with,

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01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: and why you think it's important to set the record

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01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: straight about the reality nuance, good, bad, and ugly all

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01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: of that of the former president's actual legacy. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I certainly think we live in the era of identity politics,

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01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 1: and the biggest and most powerful political identity has become

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01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: a party affiliation and party loyalty. That is the world

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Speaker 1: we live in. It is lamentable. It is a product

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Speaker 1: of decades of propaganda, corporate media propaganda saying that the

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01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: main thing people should focus on is red versus Blue,

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01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: and that race, the Ohio eleventh district race, I mean

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01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 1: really did revolve around who is the most loyal person

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01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: to the Democratic Party brand, Not who is better on

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01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: the issues, not who is going to fight for a

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Speaker 1: fifteen dollars minimum wage or a green New Deal, but

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Speaker 1: literally who is more loyal rhetorically speaking to the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party establishment. And it's a kind of a tragedy that

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Speaker 1: that's the way races are run. They're not they're not

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01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: really about issues anymore, and that that's trickled down to

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Speaker 1: the voters. And again that's a product of that propaganda.

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01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: And as it relates to former presidents, I mean, that's

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01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:42,440
Speaker 1: the ultimate loyalty test. Have you ever criticized a Democratic

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01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 1: president a former Democratic president? And my take is is

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01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of education that needs to be

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01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: done through media, through a public information about the records

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01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: of we just talked about Barack Obama's record on climate

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Speaker 1: I mean that is not really in the public consciousness.

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01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,560
Speaker 1: What actually happened is not really in even the consciousness,

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01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: the mass consciousness of the Democratic primary electorate. And I

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01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily a good political strategy for a

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01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: candidate running for office to necessarily that's not really the

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01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,600
Speaker 1: candidate's job to criticize former presidents, but it is the

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01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: job of outside groups of honest media critics to do

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01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: that public education so that when a candidate says, listen,

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Speaker 1: I think we need to have a better climate policy

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Speaker 1: than we have under Barack Obama, that makes a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of sense. I mean that empirically makes a whole

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01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: lot of sense, but politically it should make a whole

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01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: lot of sense to be able to say that. But

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Speaker 1: right now we're living in an environment where even if

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Speaker 1: you say something like that, or as Nina Turner said

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Speaker 1: visa v. Joe Biden, I will be a congress person

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01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: who will push him to deliver more that was portrayed

1746
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: as apostasy, as blasphemy, as una acceptable. But we need

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Speaker 1: to get to a politics where that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: thing that we need from members of Congress. Yeah. I

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01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 1: think that's really well said. Again, I just want to

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