1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: all of you hanging out with us. Battleground polls out 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: nine months and five days until election twenty twenty four. 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 3: What do they tell us? 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: Also, legal wrangling, huge article in Politico, Buck about the 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: challenges of any of these cases being resolved in time 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: for the election. A lot of I've read this article 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: this morning, Buck, and I know there's poll data out 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: there that says if Trump is convicted, it could impact 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: the decision of many swing state voters and swing voters 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: in general. Fuck this article that was up in Politico. 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 2: It was as if they were trying to pressure I mean, 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: it was as aggressive as I've seen the the DC 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: circuit to get their opinion in because they're suddenly recognizing 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: that the time is majorly a factor here and that 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: as the play continues to get strung out, it is 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: impacting things in a very favorable way for Trump. We'll 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: talk some about that also third hour. This is a 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: big story and I know a lot of you have 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: been paying attention to it. Buck is going to be 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: taking a tutorial a little bit. The Attorney General of 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: the state of Tennessee is going to be with us. 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: There has been a blockbuster lawsuit file this morning that 26 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: could potentially end college athletics as we know it the 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: states of Virginia and Tennessee. The attorney Generals Jonathan Scermetti 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: and Jason Maarra is in Tennessee and Virginia, and I 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: think a lot of other attorney generals will sign on 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: to this too, are effectively attacking the basis for the 31 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: NCAA to exist through the name, image and likeness law. 32 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: It's really a very fascinating situation. And we're going to 33 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: talk with that Attorney General Scurmetti from Tennessee in the 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: third hour. Also, I'm headed down to Miami. I'm not 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: disappointed about this. The weather is perfect. Buck and I 36 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: are going to be doing some business work down in 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: Miami the next couple of days for the radio show. 38 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: All good news, but we are excited about that. But 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: we begin, Buck, I'm just going to hit you with 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: these numbers from the battleground states. This is from Morning 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: Consult in ge. This is considered to be a very 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: reputable pole and I will mention that the polls by 43 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: and large have been reflected as Trump's leads basically the 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: exact of what we expected in Iowa. A little bit 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: lower maybe than expected in New Hampshire, but still double 46 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: digit win. 47 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: This is head to head. 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: It actually gets worse for Biden when third parties are included. 49 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 2: Bloomberg and Morning Consult. This is the poll Wisconsin, Trump 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: is up five, Pennsylvania Trump is up three, Nevada Trump 51 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 2: is up eight, Georgia Trump is up eight, Michigan Trump 52 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: is up five, North Carolina Trump is up ten, and 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: Arizona Trump is up three. Margin of air one percent, 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: So outside of the margin of error, Trump leads in 55 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: all seven swing states. In order to be elected president, 56 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: either Trump or Biden probably needs to win four of 57 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: the seven states. Buck, do you buy the numbers as 58 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: they look nine months out from election day or are 59 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: you apprehensive about what these numbers are telling us? 60 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: The reality is we've never seen anything like this before 61 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: for Donald Trump at any point that he has been 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 4: a politician, right, He's never been this far out ahead. 63 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: I think part of this is the longer he has 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: this lead in the polls, the harder it becomes for 65 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: Democrats to argue this risk to dem ocracy. 66 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: Thing that they always talk about. 67 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: He was already president, as we've discussed before, for four years, 68 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: and so we know that he didn't in fact become 69 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 4: a horrible dictator. If a horrible dictator you mean a 70 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: booming economy, no new wars, and lots of sensible decision 71 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 4: make a decision making from the White House, then yeah, sure, 72 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: but clearly he is in hitler and people who say 73 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: that are emotionally unstable and delusional. And so the longer 74 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 4: that he has a lead in swing states, and look, 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: we pay attention to this every day, right, I mean, 76 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: we're watching the horse race as closely as anyone can. 77 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 4: But I do think it starts to filter out into 78 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: the broader conversation. If he's so awful and such a risk, 79 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 4: why is he beating Joe Biden in all of the 80 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: places he would need to to be president, especially after 81 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 4: January sixth, when they I would assume democrats certainly believe 82 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 4: that that makes him unelectable going forward, Well, January six happen, 83 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: he's clearly not unelectable because he is crushing an incoming 84 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 4: president in a half a dozen swing states. 85 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: I do think what concerns me. 86 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: Is not only that there's this still there's even more 87 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 4: polling that shows if he gets a felony conviction on 88 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 4: the January sixth stuff specifically. Now, I don't know, if 89 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know how it will play if 90 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 4: he gets the New York. I think he's going to 91 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 4: be found guilty of New York. I'm oh, this is 92 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 4: he's going to be right, He's one hundred percent guilty. Yeah, 93 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: so he's going to be found guilty of New York. 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 4: But he's going to be found guilty of a bookkeeping error, 95 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 4: which is absurd, and it actually may backfire in terms 96 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: of the politics of it. I think I think that 97 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: one may backfire to the point where I'm still not 98 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: even one hundred percent convinced. You know, Alvin Bragg wants 99 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: to do it for Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney of 100 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: New York, but I don't know if the Biden White 101 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: House wants him to do it. And this guy has 102 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 4: asked me, I'm sure he wants to be governor of 103 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: New York or mayor of New York. He's got aspirations, right. 104 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 4: They may be saying, hold on a second, you think 105 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: you're helping, but you're hurting. But really, the other thing 106 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 4: that I think about, Clay, is this whole thing. We're 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 4: gonna talk so much about policy, and you know, we 108 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: hammer the border. We've been talking about the border, as 109 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 4: ever re knows before this became the number one issue 110 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 4: in the country. We talk about it almost every day, 111 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: and it may all come down to a guilty verdict 112 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: one way or the other in DC. That may be 113 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: what determines the election more than any other policy or 114 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 4: thing we can talk about, which is not the way 115 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 4: the system is supposed to work. So I'm with you, 116 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 4: though I find that hard to believe. I find it 117 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: hard to think that the polls are right on that. 118 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 4: But I also don't want to be picking and choosing 119 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: and saying, well, Trump's ahead and all the swing state polls, 120 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 4: let's ignore the if he gets if he gets convicted 121 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 4: in DC, he loses every swing state, which is what 122 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: the polls say right now. 123 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with you, by the way, on 124 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg. I think it can be an interesting situation 125 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: where trying Trump is the best thing that could happen 126 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: for our Bragg's political career. And don't mistake the fact 127 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: that Alvin Bragg and Letitia James both probably are angling 128 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: to one day be the governor of New York. And 129 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: so whoever can be the toughest against Trump, whoever can 130 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: be the baddest man on the block in New York, 131 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: it can be politically advantageous. But Buck, I think with 132 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: what we talked about, with the Egen Carroll results, and 133 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: with the Trump organization itself being under siege, I think 134 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: a lot of Americans are just writing off everything that 135 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: happens in New York. And I think that actually works 136 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: to Trump's benefit because I think a lot of people 137 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: out there, if they're paying attention to it at all, 138 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: they say, eighty eight million dollars for an alleged sexual 139 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: assault that there's really no evidence ever happened. 140 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: That's a lot of money. Eighty eight million dollars. 141 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: And then they're trying to take a three hundred million 142 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: dollar or so fine from the Trump organization in New 143 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: York as well. I think all of that kind of 144 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: gets rolled in together. I don't know if you agree 145 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: with me on this, Buck, but in my experience as 146 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: a lawyer, most people don't understand the difference between civil 147 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: courts and criminal courts. I mean as a general public, right, 148 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: there are people who are super plugged into what's going 149 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: on in the court system. But I think the idea 150 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: of civil court and the standard of justice and criminal 151 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: court and the standard of justice, I think everything New 152 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: York is already baked in for Trump. And I think 153 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: it's whether it's the Alvin Bragg charges, whether it's the 154 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: Letitia James, whether it's the e Gen Carroll. People just 155 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: kind of have the sense that New York hates Trump 156 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: and they're doing everything they can to get him. So 157 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: I would put that off to the side, and I 158 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: would say that's actually beneficial to Trump because you're a 159 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: New York City guy. A lot of people who don't 160 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: live in New York City just think New York's a 161 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: different world, right, Like where I live in Tennessee, Buck. 162 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: We used to get phone calls when I was in DC, 163 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: Like I would answer the phone for the Congressman's office 164 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: and people will be like, is this Washington, DC? 165 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: It was like such a foreign. 166 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: Place that the idea that people live there was like 167 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 2: you've lived on a different planet. That's how much of 168 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: the country sees New York. I think Trump's gold there. 169 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: I am fascinated by how the timing of the Jack 170 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: Smith January sixth case is going to play out, because 171 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: increasingly that feels to me like the entire ball of wax. 172 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: So to speak to your point. 173 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: For Joe Biden, if they can get that case, if 174 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: they can get that conviction, they feel like it's their 175 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: ace in the hole. It's going to swing the election. 176 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: If they can't, what's going to change these seven states? 177 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: Remember it, so he doesn't have to win all seven, 178 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: He just has to win four. 179 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 4: One thing that we haven't discussed here is that I 180 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 4: think you and I both see this now and who 181 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: are certainly not alone in this as they're all in, 182 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: all in on the get a Jack Smith conviction, and 183 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: we're golden strategy. If that is the case, we think 184 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: the jack Smith case, sorry, the Jack Smith case will 185 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 4: start when I bring this up, because the timeline here 186 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 4: of the anyone but Biden switch starts to become very 187 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 4: very narrow. You know what I'm saying. If you're gonna 188 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: wait until this trial happens, it's gonna stretch. It's gonna 189 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: take at least what six to eight weeks from start. 190 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 4: They say it's gonna be March forward, but now it's 191 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: probably gonna get pushed beyond that. And assuming it gets 192 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 4: pushed beyond that and it starts happening in the summer, 193 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: you can't do the switch while you're waiting for the 194 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 4: trial verdict, right, that would be So maybe that's the 195 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: ultimate ultimate backup plan. 196 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: I know you think so. 197 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 4: I think they got to just ride with what they've got, 198 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: but they've got to try to time this out, and 199 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 4: I think they may have made At this point, it's 200 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 4: clear they went with too many prosecutions. I think that 201 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 4: that has backfired on them. I think they still hope 202 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 4: that they can turn it all around with the one 203 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: January sixth Jacksmith prosecution. I wonder if the Florida mar 204 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: A Lago documents. I haven't seen specific pulling on that 205 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: if he was found guilty there. But it's the process crime. 206 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 4: I mean, it's another documents issue, and there's no harm done, right, 207 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 4: So you're gonna get into do people really care? 208 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the answer is probably not. 209 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: So the political article is interesting because remember buck I 210 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: was on an island for a while arguing that it 211 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: was going to be super hard to get these cases done. 212 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: There were people out there saying, Oh, they're going to 213 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: be able to get all these and I just kept 214 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: looking at it saying, I don't so. March fourth is 215 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: not happening. And I think this show was one of 216 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 2: the first places to let you know, Hey, March fourth 217 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 2: is not happening. I mean, we're gonna be February tomorrow. 218 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: There's a zero percent chance March fourth is happening. We'll 219 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: see when the DC Court of Appeals issues its opinion, 220 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: And to give you a little bit of a preview 221 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: of how that would go, They're probably going to rule 222 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: to one that Trump doesn't have immunity. Then Trump can 223 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: appeal and ask for the entire DC Circuit Court of 224 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: Appeals to hear that case, and then. 225 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: He can go to the Supreme Court. 226 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: So even now, I don't see any way that these 227 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: cases are likely to start before July fourth, and that 228 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: is being generous. And when you get to July, buck 229 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: and on your timeframe there, you're right, it's at least 230 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: a two or three month trial. Let's be honest. You've 231 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: got to seat the jury. You've got a Trump's lawyers 232 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: are going to drag it out as long as they want. 233 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: They want to if they start the trial, they don't 234 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: want it to finish. I mean, I think they see 235 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: it as being politically advantageous, especially if they could drag. 236 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 3: It out past the actual date. 237 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: I mean, you could see a situation where they're actually 238 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: racing in October to try to get a conviction to 239 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: be the October surprise for the election. I mean, I 240 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: don't think that's a crazy thing to think about right 241 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: now at all. 242 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: In DC. 243 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 4: It's also just as political commentators think of all the 244 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: time we're going to spend on. 245 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: The Biden economy and the Biden border. 246 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 4: And ultimately this may turn on a bogus abuse of 247 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 4: law prosecution, and what a jury of Trump's DC piers 248 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 4: thinks that that could be the whole whole You. 249 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: Want a crazy one to think about? To buck, What 250 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: if one big Trump supporter got on the jury and 251 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: just derailed the entire thing. I mean, if you're listening 252 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: to us in the DC area right now, and there's 253 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: about five percent of you that are Trump supporters, if 254 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: you could get yourself seated on that jury as a 255 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: Trump supporter, you could derail the entire United States prosecution. 256 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: Are you telling me that I should maybe look into 257 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 4: some Georgetown rentals or something coming up this summer and 258 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, Chuck Saxon with a little mustache he. 259 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: Just grew could be on this jury. I don't know. 260 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 3: I am saying. 261 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: If you are listening to us in the DC area 262 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: right now, and you are a Republican Trump supporter, usually 263 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: when everybody gets that jury, summons down the DC court 264 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: and try to get on that jury this fall, because 265 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: you could be the person who derails Jack Smith JA. 266 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: Always remember, only takes one juror to just say I'm 267 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: not convicting hung jury. That thing's done and they have 268 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: to go back then Trump, there's no conviction, we just 269 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: need one. 270 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 3: I'd do it if I were a DC resident, I 271 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: do everything I could to get on that jury. 272 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: Well, and there's no and there's absolutely no chance that 273 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 4: they'd be able to retry it after you know they could, 274 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 4: they wouldn't be able to do a retrial before the 275 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: zero chance of that. 276 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: By the way, you and I have both been DC 277 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: residents at some point. So if I you know, there's 278 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: college kids out there listening to us right now who 279 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: count as DC where you don't no idea who's on 280 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: the jury. If you can get on it. You could 281 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: derail this thing. 282 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 4: So also we've got on Capitol Hill that the tech 283 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: Titans are being yelled at by members of Congress. A 284 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: lot of grand standing, but is there any substance to it. 285 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 4: We'll dive into that coming up here in a little 286 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 4: bit as well. 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He showed 314 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 4: up at so many other places, never showed up in 315 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 4: East Palestine, Ohio. But Clay, it's been about a year 316 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: and there's an election this year, and now Joe Biden 317 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 4: is saying he is. 318 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: Going to go. 319 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 4: He's going to show up in East Palestine just in 320 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: time to pretend he cared enough to do it the 321 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 4: first time. 322 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and a year later, the reality is Ohio's off 323 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: the board. We want all the Ohioans to go vote, 324 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: but Ohio's a red state. 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I always it's 371 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: tough to keep up with all these things. Uh, just 372 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: a funny story headline Man City defender Kyle Walker. He's 373 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 2: a big time soccer star, I guess overseas. Uh publicly. So, 374 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: by the way, if you're if your wife is mad 375 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: at you right now, you can go look at this story. 376 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: Hey, mabe, it could be way worse. 377 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: Publicly apologized to his pregnant wife after getting his mistress, 378 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: who is an Instagram influencer, pregnant for a second time. 379 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: So if you thought out there and you're like, man, 380 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: you know your husband didn't pick up the towels today, 381 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: or he left a dirty laundry laying on the floor, man. 382 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: That you could just say it could be worse. 383 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: You could say, hey, I could have gotten my pre 384 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: while you're pregnant. 385 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: I could have gotten my. 386 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: Instagram influencer mistress pregnant for a second time. 387 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: Things could always be worse. 388 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: Just putting that out there and speaking of things could 389 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: always be worse. Buck, we were also talking about during 390 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: the break, there is a report that the judge in 391 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: the and I know this is complicated, and you almost 392 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: have to have like a flow chart to keep track 393 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: of all the different lawfair that's going against Trump. Right now, 394 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: there is a report that the judge in the business 395 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: case that they're trying to get Trump for exaggerating his assets. 396 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: The Attorney General of New York, Letitia James, that he 397 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: may issue a ruling. 398 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: And Buck, if that happens today and there is a 399 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: major hit on Trump's businesses, there could be a three 400 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: hundred million dollar fine all sorts of significant penalties there. 401 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: Buck. 402 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: If this happens Friday, he gets hit for eighty three million. 403 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: Wednesday he gets hit for another couple one hundred million dollars. 404 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: I don't see how anyone with a functional brain couldn't 405 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: look at this and say, I don't know that we've 406 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 2: ever seen a more significant rig job being put in 407 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: place by one state against an individual than what New 408 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: York State is trying to do right now. 409 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 4: Can I throw something out there to you that that 410 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 4: has come up among some of my close confidants in 411 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 4: this world, because they've asked me, and I haven't had 412 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 4: an even satisfactory answer for myself. What are they going 413 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 4: to do if Trump actually gets announced as the victor 414 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: on election night? And I want everyone to really think 415 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 4: about that for a second, because I think that, you know, 416 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 4: there's a sense that, okay, it'd be this amazing political comeback, 417 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 4: and you know, they would just have to deal with it. 418 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 4: They are an emotionally meeting, the Democrats an emotionally wrecked mess, 419 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: a large portion of whom really think that this guy 420 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 4: is a dictator who will end the country. I don't 421 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 4: know if it's twenty percent or thirty percent, but there 422 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 4: are crazy lips who believe that that's just a talking 423 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 4: point for them. They really think that, So what are 424 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 4: they going to do? I don't think the answer is 425 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 4: and I know we're getting way ahead here, cart before 426 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 4: the horse and all that, but you know, it's an 427 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 4: interesting thing to consider. I don't think that they just say, oh, wow, 428 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 4: Trump won those swing states. I guess he gets to 429 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: be presidents again, and we'll get him next time. They're 430 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 4: gonna do something now, riots in cities across America. Oh yeah, 431 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 4: I think that's a near sipidy. Yeah, I think that's 432 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 4: definitely gonna happen. But you have to remember, what would 433 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 4: they feel justified in doing given their view of January sixth, 434 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 4: which was a riot, not an insurrection, but given their 435 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 4: view of January sixth as an attempt to overthrow the 436 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: government by Trump, where do you think they would draw 437 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: the line? 438 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to get. 439 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 4: Too far down this because I know it can become 440 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 4: a little conspiratorial and a little bit depressing. But I 441 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 4: do think that there's you know, he keep we keep 442 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 4: talking about what's the plan here? Well, the plan be 443 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 4: that if Trump wins, they decide he hasn't won, and 444 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 4: I don't know what that means, but they would feel, 445 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 4: based on twenty twenty, you know this, Clay, they would 446 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 4: feel totally justified in taking that position. 447 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: I would say there is a one hundred percent chance 448 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 2: that they will have everything boarded up all over every 449 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: major American city in November of twenty twenty four, because 450 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: every major American city was boarded up in November of 451 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and they were prepared for riots. And it 452 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: wasn't riots because Trump supporters were going to pour out 453 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: into the streets and be doing celebratory you know moments, right, 454 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: It was because they expected that if Trump were to 455 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: win that there would be riots all over the country. 456 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: So I would expect if you're in d C, Philadelphia, Chicago, Washington, 457 00:23:54,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: d C, New York City, Atlanta, maybe even places like Denver, La, 458 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: San Francisco, all of those major shopping areas will be 459 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: covered in plywood. And I said this at the time, 460 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: people got really fired up. 461 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 3: I one billion percent believe it to be true. Buck. 462 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 3: I think if. 463 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: Trump had won a narrow election in twenty twenty, let's 464 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 2: say Trump had won Wisconsin, Trump had one Arizona, and 465 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: Trump had won Georgia, that would have ended up in 466 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 2: an even two sixty nine to two sixty nine taig. 467 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: It would have been decided by the Supreme Court. Twenty 468 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: thousand votes changed in those states. I think that Democrats 469 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 2: would have made January sixth look like a parade and 470 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 2: would have had one of the biggest riots nationwide that 471 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: we've ever seen, because then it would have gone into 472 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: the House of Representatives, and the House of Representatives would 473 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: have elected Trump as President of the United States. Because 474 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: there are more states, you basically elect based on how 475 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 2: many members of each state they vote, and Trump would 476 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: have won because there are more Republican states. In that 477 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: tie break scenario, I think that it would have made 478 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 2: January sixth look like jaywalking. The Democrats would have rioted 479 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: and attacked the likes of which it would have made 480 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: even their BLM riots seem small. And I think that 481 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: you have to be prepared for that. In twenty twenty four. 482 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: There's been relatively few times buck where I've ever said 483 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 2: I don't want my family out on the streets. I 484 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: think election night twenty twenty four could be one of 485 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: those nights where you just want to be buttoned up. 486 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: You want to be in your house, and you don't 487 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: want to be anywhere near a downtown city center. 488 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 4: I gotta say, if if someone really believed that there 489 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 4: was an American Hitler who was ascending and it was, 490 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: you know, it was imminent, I think that there are 491 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: a lot of things that they would be considering that 492 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 4: are far outside of what the American policetical mainstream has considered. 493 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 3: Right. 494 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: Certainly rejection of the election results by the House of 495 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 4: Representatives that the Democrats can get away with that, which 496 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 4: you're right right now, they couldn't because the majority. But 497 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 4: you know, there's I think there are things that they're 498 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 4: going to get. You talk about the break the glass plan, 499 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 4: whatever the break the glass plan would be for a 500 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: post election night if Trump comes out ahead, they'll do anything. 501 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: They just they're just figuring out what it is. I think. 502 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: I think that's part of this discussion as well. And 503 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. 504 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 4: I don't know what that would be, but I do 505 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 4: know that they're not just gonna cry on CNN and 506 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 4: then decide we'll get them next time. 507 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen. It's gonna be a lot more 508 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: than that. The one thing I wonder about Buck is 509 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: at least you have an inn. I know they'll try 510 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: to claim Trump's going to change the Constitution and he'll 511 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: refuse to leave office. I mean, they'll try to claim that. 512 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: I don't think that's really gonna register. I wonder if 513 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: having a known ind date at least of the Trump 514 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: era would make it less overwhelming than the vagina hat 515 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: celebrations and riots that we saw that happen when Trump 516 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 2: won in twenty you know what I mean, Like the 517 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: Women's march that we all saw when you know that 518 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 2: January was the match twenty twenty nine, Trump would be 519 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: stepping down if in the event that he were to win. 520 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: I wonder whether having a known finished date makes it 521 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: less of a political expediency, because I do believe this 522 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: is true, whether it's Trump, Biden, or Michelle Obama or 523 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: whoever it is. If it's Trump or Biden, then by 524 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, we're going to be on early twenty 525 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: twenty seven, by the midterms. Soon as the midterms happen, 526 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: whoever president is basically has no more power, and we're 527 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: on to who's going to be the nominee. 528 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: What's the election for twenty twenty eight gonna look. 529 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: Like it's different than if there's somebody who is going 530 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 2: to be running as an incumbent. And I wonder whether 531 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: Trumps Great Satan would be less threatning if you know 532 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: basically when his tenure is going to come to a close. 533 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they'll impeach him, I'm sure they'll 534 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: try to remove him from office and all those things, 535 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: but it becomes more difficult to justify when you know 536 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: that he's leaving office in January of twenty nine, no 537 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: matter what. Yeah, So I think that's I think that's 538 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: a technical callers on that fact. 539 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 4: I want to know what people think is going to 540 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 4: happen here. So eight hundred two two eight a two. 541 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, and we'll break all that down for 542 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: you and more. And I want to tell you as 543 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: we continue to roll through the Wednesday edition of the program, 544 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: great Storytelling is one of the best things to come 545 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: out of the podcast explosion, and one of those great podcasts, 546 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: Our American Stories. 547 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: Each day, several new episodes. 548 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: Of Our American Stories cover everything from the men and 549 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: women who built the country to fascinating parts of history 550 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: you might not have ever heard before. 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That's our American Stories. 565 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: Twenty four Clay and Bucks Weekly Campaign Cliff Notes episodes 566 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: dropped Sundays at noon Eastern on the free iHeartRadio app 567 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. 568 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are going to 569 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: talk to you a little. 570 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 4: Bit about the tech Titans and the Fury of Congress 571 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 4: coming up here in a few minutes. I will tell 572 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 4: you advance. I tend to be very cynical of this. 573 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 4: You know, you get a speech from members of the Senate, 574 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: you know what, Google. 575 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: Is poisoning the minds of our. 576 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 4: Children, which I'm not saying that that's not true. But 577 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 4: then they go on their Gmail and they and they start, 578 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 4: you know, g chatting other members of the Senate, and 579 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 4: then they watch YouTube videos of themselves later on after 580 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: they clip it from cable news. Yeah, a lot of talk. 581 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 4: Oh and they take money from it's called now Alphabet, right, 582 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 4: but it owns Google. It owns YouTube that's the parent company. 583 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 4: Same thing with Meta. You know, Facebook is poisoning our 584 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 4: children's minds. And then you go, wait, but what are 585 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 4: you doing about Facebook other than taking a lot of 586 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 4: Facebook money for your campaign when it comes time? 587 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: Right? 588 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I am very cynical of the ability or 589 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 4: willingness of them to rein in big tech in any 590 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 4: meaningful way. 591 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: One of the things that I have always found most 592 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: fascinating about this is most of those big tech executives 593 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: have kids, and they don't let their kids on their products. 594 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 2: And I think we've talked about this a little bit 595 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: on the show before. The only advertisements that I can 596 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: remember who I just said, I. 597 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 3: Won't do it. 598 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do smoking in my career, and I wouldn't 599 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: do like vaping and any of that stuff because I 600 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: would be legitimately disappointed if I saw my kids consuming 601 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: that product. And I've always found that so fascinating. You know, 602 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg's of the world. It's a tough I think 603 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: about this as a parent, right. The one thing if 604 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: you want parenting advice from me, and I'm not saying 605 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: that I know very much, the one thing I wish 606 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: I could go back in time and do is I 607 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: wish I had kept iPads and iPhones away from my 608 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: young kids when they were young. It's easy in parenting 609 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: because you're out to a restaurant and you can take 610 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: an iPad and you can give it to a kid 611 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 2: and they'll calm down, or they're on an airplane, or 612 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: they're at the house and you're trying to get something 613 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: taken care of. My kids are on their iPads a lot. 614 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: Thing I'm thankful that we did is so far as 615 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: I know, and kids are smarter with tech often their parents. 616 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: We've kept them off of social media. My sixteen year 617 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: old we're now letting have social media accounts now. The 618 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: reality is he may have out smarted us long before 619 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: and had social media accounts, but I think it's incredibly toxic. 620 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 3: And I've got boys. 621 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: I can't imagine having daughters that are on Instagram all day, 622 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: looking at all these influencers and the way that they 623 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 2: make money and the things that they post like, I 624 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: can't even imagine trying to raise a daughter. 625 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 4: I saw I think it was in somewhere in Ohio. 626 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: But there's some effort in schools now to ban cell phones. 627 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 4: You know, smartphones. We all have smart Like. I don't 628 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 4: think anyone is hanging out with a Nokia from twenty 629 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 4: years ago, right, like, we all have smartphones that they've 630 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 4: they have to ban smartphones in the classroom, as if 631 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 4: that's a new thing. I'm sitting here thinking, kids have 632 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 4: smartphones in the classroom. Oh yes, this is a thing 633 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 4: that is to me completely bonkers because I mean, I 634 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: remember when I was in class, you know, way back 635 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 4: way back in the day, and I was walking to 636 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 4: school in three feet of snow, barefoot, barefoot up a 637 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 4: mountainside clay in. 638 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 3: The lid of Manhattan. 639 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 4: No, but the truth is that there was like nothing 640 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 4: to do but pay attention with the teacher was saying 641 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 4: in silence, I might add, Yeah, kids are sitting there 642 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 4: texting and googling and facebooking and all this stuff in class. 643 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: This is horrible. It's a major issue. 644 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: And a lot of them have laptops they can get 645 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: on the Internet during class. And I don't think it's 646 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 2: coincidental because this big tech conversation is happening today. 647 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 3: They're grilling all these different executives. 648 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: One again, I would point out, if they won't let 649 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: their own kids do it, it's a sign that their 650 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: product is not that safe. 651 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 3: To Buck, if you look at data. 652 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: On kids' happiness, on their optimism, on their overall mental health, 653 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 2: it went off a cliff right as the social media 654 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: era began. Now, I watched some of the testimony this 655 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: morning in Zuckerberg was saying, there's no evidence that our 656 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 2: products are created. Well, maybe it's the Internet at large, 657 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 2: but it certainly seems to be the case that your 658 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 2: average kid out there is harmed significantly by social media. 659 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 2: And the reason why I bring this up, Buck is 660 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: everybody looks back on prior generations and they ridicule decisions 661 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: that they made that we all recognize now were profoundly unhealthy. 662 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. How often do you see 663 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 2: somebody like smoking on an airplane and think to yourself, 664 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: how in the world was that ever permissible. 665 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 4: I may or may not have gone to bars when 666 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 4: I was in high school, which I know sounds but 667 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 4: I was a thing that happened in New York, especially 668 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 4: because we didn't have to worry about drunk driving because 669 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 4: everyone would just take taxis everywhere in New York City, 670 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 4: so you know, and they would places would let kids 671 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 4: drink sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old. 672 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 3: I mean that wasn't that wasn't unusual. 673 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 4: And I remember being in bars and coming home and 674 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 4: reeking correct of cigarette smoke because the whole bar was 675 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 4: just a giant cloud of smoke. I mean, that was normal. 676 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 4: I had I knew girls you know who are my age, 677 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,439 Speaker 4: my peers, who were smoking a pack of marble marbles. 678 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: I mean, my kids if they see someone smoking now, 679 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: they treat it like they see someone smoking crack. So 680 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 2: my point on that is we all think that we 681 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 2: are all smarter than everybody else. Our generation is so 682 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 2: much smarter me, but we are I think I think 683 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 2: we're gonna look at social media as our generation's version 684 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 2: of smoking. And I think in the years ahead, we're 685 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 2: going to look back and say, this was such a 686 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: failure that we let twelve and thirteen and fourteen year 687 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: old kids onto social media and allowed it to destroy 688 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: in many ways their mental health. 689 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 4: I definitely I want to open up lines next hour 690 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 4: to parents and how they see this. You know, Clay's 691 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 4: obviously a parent of three. I want to hear from 692 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 4: all of you out there. We've got so many parents 693 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 4: who listen. Will play some of the highlights such as 694 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 4: they are from these hearings, what was said to these 695 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 4: so called tech titans. It's a big issue, and social 696 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 4: media is more powerful vile than really any other kind 697 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 4: of media out there, and it also affects elections, as 698 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 4: we all know. Just ask pre elon Twitter and the 699 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 4: suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop and more. 700 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 3: We're going to dive into that coming up here in 701 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 3: just a few