WEBVTT - Hidden in Plain Sight

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<v Speaker 1>At first it was what does she look like? And

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<v Speaker 1>then it was more of where is she that that

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<v Speaker 1>person not love me, you know, and so that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of where that was coming from, was the why.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I started pestering my mom about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how she looked, and then where she was and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of why she didn't want me, And that's how

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<v Speaker 1>that opened up to she's done some bad things. She's

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<v Speaker 1>in jail. I can't tell you more that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, when you're older, i'll tell you more. A

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<v Speaker 1>few years later, when I was about eleven, I asked

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<v Speaker 1>one last time, and my mom told me that I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never be old enough to know and that it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that I shouldn't have to deal with, so she was

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<v Speaker 1>never going to tell me. So I was eleven and

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<v Speaker 1>still needed a babysitter. It was the same babysitter that

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<v Speaker 1>I'd had since I was very very young. I can

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<v Speaker 1>remember the moment like it was yesterday, which is so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember exactly what was said, but I remember

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<v Speaker 1>standing at the top of the stairs. I was in

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<v Speaker 1>the doorway of my bed room, she was in the hallway,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just thought, I'm going to ask, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to find the answers that I want. I'm just not

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<v Speaker 1>going to stop until I know who my biological mother was.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I talked to the babysitter and made it

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<v Speaker 1>sound like I already knew. She had said, oh, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know Diane Downs. And that was at that point

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<v Speaker 1>how I had a name.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want the trees? I'm willing to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>Silly, this will.

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<v Speaker 2>Work, not wanting to harm me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we lost control.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, listeners. My name is Melissa Moore. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>a teenager, my father was a rush. His name is

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Hunter Jesperson, a serial murderer also known as a

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Face killer. The revelation came during an already challenging

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<v Speaker 2>time in my life, and for years I buried the

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<v Speaker 2>truth and didn't speak about it publicly. And then one

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<v Speaker 2>day I gained the courage to confront the past. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a profound healing experience when I met my father's

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<v Speaker 2>last victim, Julie Winningham's son Don Finley, which you followed

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<v Speaker 2>along with me on the Happy Face Podcast. In that meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>Don gave me his support, which gave me the confidence

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<v Speaker 2>to continue on my mission to help other relatives and

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<v Speaker 2>murderers find meaning and step out of the shadow of

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<v Speaker 2>their parents' crimes. I met Becky Babcock ten years ago

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<v Speaker 2>while filming a documentary. Becky's mother is Diane Downs, a

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<v Speaker 2>woman who sits in jail for the murder of one

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<v Speaker 2>of her daughters and the attempted murderer of another son

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<v Speaker 2>and daughter during a shooting of the night of May nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three. For years, Becky has wrestled with the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of her own identity, and Becky has struggled not

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<v Speaker 2>only with the idea of who her mother is, but

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<v Speaker 2>also who her father could be. In this series, i'llccompany

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<v Speaker 2>Becky as she confronts the effect her biological mother has

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<v Speaker 2>had on her life and choices, as well as seek

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<v Speaker 2>out the identity of her biological father, who may or

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<v Speaker 2>may not even know she exists.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Dana Tims. I was a longtime writer

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<v Speaker 4>for the Oregonian newspaper and I still continue to write

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<v Speaker 4>for Oregon Publications.

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<v Speaker 2>Dana was a new reporter, just starting his career in

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<v Speaker 2>journalism and Cottage Grove not much had ever made national news.

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<v Speaker 4>The Timber Wars are going on back then, so battles

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<v Speaker 4>over old growth. There were protesters up in the Wilamta

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<v Speaker 4>National Forest doing sit ins and trees, a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>police coverage, a lot of discovernment coverage, also city council

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<v Speaker 4>meetings and whatever would come along.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one day came the Diane Downs case.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember that that very well. It was on my birthday,

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<v Speaker 4>as a matter of fact, and I had spent the

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<v Speaker 4>previous twenty four hours following a small circus. I went

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<v Speaker 4>to The Oregonian's main headquarters and I was just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of debriefing my editors on the circus story, and somebody

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<v Speaker 4>then said, hey, there was a shooting in Springfield last night.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, yeah, apparently Moham was shot and her kids

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<v Speaker 4>were shot. One of them might be dead. So I

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<v Speaker 4>traveled back to Jene that day and got involved in

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<v Speaker 4>the story. Later in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Afternoon, Dana was covered new ground. At the time, this

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<v Speaker 2>was a very unusual type of story. These sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>things didn't happen in Springfield.

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<v Speaker 4>Clearly, this was such an out of the ordinary circumstance,

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<v Speaker 4>it truly just did not happen. The report was that

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<v Speaker 4>one child was dead and police were still looking for

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<v Speaker 4>an assailant. Clearly, you couldn't have any more of a

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<v Speaker 4>hot button situation than that going on. The entire area

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<v Speaker 4>was very freaked out.

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<v Speaker 2>During the first twenty four hours after the shooting, Dana

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<v Speaker 2>and other reporters had few sources for information. This was

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three, before the widespread existence of global Internet

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<v Speaker 2>and quick access to information.

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<v Speaker 4>We were really relying on police agencies to be giving

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<v Speaker 4>us information and updates. The kids were at Springfield or

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<v Speaker 4>mackendi Willlammett Hospital in Springfield. Clearly pressed did not have

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<v Speaker 4>access to those places. As important as the story was,

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<v Speaker 4>it was a little tough sledding to really get a

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<v Speaker 4>toe hold to figure out how to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 4>report this except for what we were getting from the police,

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<v Speaker 4>which is really not much. For instance, we had learned

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<v Speaker 4>that the mom had been shot also, so we were

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<v Speaker 4>trying to figure out what are her injuries. It would

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<v Speaker 4>still take a few more days before anyone got to

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<v Speaker 4>really even have a chance at interviewing the mom, who

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<v Speaker 4>we found out was Diane Downes.

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<v Speaker 2>Dana and his colleagues slowly began to piece together information

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<v Speaker 2>about the case. At the time, it was believed that

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<v Speaker 2>whomever shot Diane and her kids was still out there.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Elizabeth Diane Downes. That was the order that

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<v Speaker 4>we were referring to her, And it wasn't just Diane yet,

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<v Speaker 4>But we didn't know much. We knew that she was

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<v Speaker 4>a letter carrier, had been working in Cottage Grove. The

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<v Speaker 4>collective media effort had uncovered that much. People were then

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<v Speaker 4>going down to the Cottage Grove Post Office and trying

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<v Speaker 4>to do interviews. They weren't very cooperative. I think they

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<v Speaker 4>were all stunned what was going on. Meantime, this notion

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<v Speaker 4>that there was an assailant on the loose had people

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<v Speaker 4>very rattled in nerved in Springfield.

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<v Speaker 2>In particular, especially somebody who can shoot children, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>a different type of predator.

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<v Speaker 4>That just didn't happen kids getting shot.

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<v Speaker 2>The primary source of information turned out to be Diane herself,

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<v Speaker 2>who seemed more than eager to talk to the press.

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<v Speaker 4>I first saw Diane when I walked into a house

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<v Speaker 4>where she was living with her parents Springfield. She had

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<v Speaker 4>called a news conference, so there were TV people there.

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<v Speaker 4>Liked she talked at length and would address any question,

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<v Speaker 4>didn't seem to shy away from anything, smiled and laughed

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<v Speaker 4>a lot and even the first time I saw her,

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<v Speaker 4>it struck me that there are inappropriate responses. Diane, from

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<v Speaker 4>the very first time that I sat in that news

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<v Speaker 4>conference struck me as somebody who just didn't respond the

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<v Speaker 4>way that you might think somebody would. It raised questions

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<v Speaker 4>right off the bat, like what's going on with her?

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<v Speaker 2>Diane presented herself like someone very ready to be interviewed publicly.

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<v Speaker 4>She was probably five five five six, longish hair, nicely styled.

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<v Speaker 4>She cared about her appearance. I recall her wearing a

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<v Speaker 4>dress and looking nice and confident and ready to take

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<v Speaker 4>all the questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the reporters wanted to know what happened, so

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<v Speaker 2>Diane walked them through her account of the events.

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<v Speaker 4>That night, she was driving late at night with her kids.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a school night, so that seemed a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit odd. She said, they liked to sight see and again,

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<v Speaker 4>that area is very pretty, but it was about ten

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<v Speaker 4>o'clock at night, so you wouldn't be seeing anything except

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<v Speaker 4>your car lights. She claimed that a guy was in

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<v Speaker 4>the road flagged her down, and she stopped immediately and said,

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<v Speaker 4>what's wrong. And again, my first reaction, I think my

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<v Speaker 4>colleagues in the press have the same feeling of there's

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<v Speaker 4>no way on earth that I would stop in that

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<v Speaker 4>situation if I had young kids in the car, dark,

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<v Speaker 4>late at night, rural outpost area.

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<v Speaker 2>Diane painted herself as someone who was just being a

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<v Speaker 2>good person by stopping to help someone.

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<v Speaker 4>She pulled off the road, turn off the car, how

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<v Speaker 4>the keys in her hand, and gets out of the

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<v Speaker 4>car to go talk to this guy. It just seemed

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<v Speaker 4>like an unnatural thing to do. She claimed that when

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<v Speaker 4>she got out of her car, this guy said, I

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<v Speaker 4>want your car, and she said, and she's consistent as

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<v Speaker 4>far as I know to this day in saying, you

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<v Speaker 4>got to be kidding me. In her telling, this guy

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<v Speaker 4>wants the car, So what does he do. It's dark out,

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<v Speaker 4>headlights are shining forward. He walks up to the car,

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<v Speaker 4>leans in and fires five to seven bullets at sleeping kids.

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<v Speaker 4>We were just kind of running through our mind saying, well,

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<v Speaker 4>how would he even be able to see that there

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<v Speaker 4>was anyone in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>The stories began to release in the media about Diane

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<v Speaker 2>and the shooting, with Diane herself insisting that the perpetrator

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<v Speaker 2>she described was still at large.

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<v Speaker 4>There had been a sketch released by the police that

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<v Speaker 4>Diane had helped prepare of a guy with long hair

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<v Speaker 4>and sort of angry looking eyes. Right off the bat.

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<v Speaker 4>People were kind of smirking, thinking, Oh, it's the old,

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<v Speaker 4>bushy haired stranger, which is kind of the oldest trope

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<v Speaker 4>and law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite this sketch and description, there were very few real

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<v Speaker 2>leads in the case.

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<v Speaker 4>There weren't solid leads. I know that the police got

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of contacts. They were tracking these leaves down

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<v Speaker 4>going and talked to the people who phoned them in,

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<v Speaker 4>but as far as we could tell, that never really

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<v Speaker 4>got a solid start. There was nothing that felt like

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<v Speaker 4>a breakthrough in terms of finding somebody else who might

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<v Speaker 4>be involved in this.

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<v Speaker 2>The press began to realize that the police saw Diane

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<v Speaker 2>as a potential aspect from the beginning parts of what

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<v Speaker 2>she said. Didn't it make sense.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that the press got the impression after about

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<v Speaker 4>four or five days that the police were the ones

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<v Speaker 4>who were perhaps looking at Diane. There hadn't been any

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<v Speaker 4>other suspects.

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<v Speaker 2>All eyes were on Diane at the funeral.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all eyes were on Diane. For anyone who supported her,

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<v Speaker 4>They were thinking, this, poor griving mom, how is she

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<v Speaker 4>dealing with this, and for those who were skeptical, and

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<v Speaker 4>maybe by the time the funeral happened, which was not

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<v Speaker 4>that long after the shooting, there may not still have

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<v Speaker 4>been widespread skepticism. So I think people were still feeling

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<v Speaker 4>sorry for this mom and wondering how they would feel

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<v Speaker 4>in that situation if they had to go through it.

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<v Speaker 2>More details about the children were released, and the details

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<v Speaker 2>of their injuries were horrifying.

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<v Speaker 4>We learned in subsequent press conferences with medical personnel and

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<v Speaker 4>the police that the kids had been basically shot in

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<v Speaker 4>the chest, not in the head, but in the chest.

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<v Speaker 4>Close groupings of shots, it appeared to be that the

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<v Speaker 4>gun was just in which is from their bodies when

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<v Speaker 4>the figure was pulled. They were just catastrophic injuries. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's really amazing that all three didn't die that night.

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<v Speaker 4>One sure, as far as we know, was dead. On

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<v Speaker 4>arrival at Mackenzie Alama Hospital. The doctors are dispatched out

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<v Speaker 4>there in the nurses and horrified to find one, two,

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<v Speaker 4>and then a third kid and they had been shot

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<v Speaker 4>in the chest. I remember dying at one of her

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<v Speaker 4>news conferences saying, if I had shot my kids, would

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<v Speaker 4>I had not have done a good job of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember thinking not too long after that you did

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<v Speaker 4>a tremendous job. If that was what you wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 4>you did a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, Diane was arrested for the murder.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was a big deal. It was a huge

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<v Speaker 4>deal Diane's been arrested. I think among most people that

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<v Speaker 4>there was just no good will left for Diane. With

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<v Speaker 4>no other suspect ever having come close to being charged

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<v Speaker 4>or arrested or identified, she was in the spotlight. She

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<v Speaker 4>was the one.

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<v Speaker 2>After the arrest, Diane was no longer the well composed

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<v Speaker 2>woman she had been at the time of the murderer.

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<v Speaker 4>She was looking tired, bedraggled. The emotional strain I think

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<v Speaker 4>had taken a toll on her. She was still kind

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<v Speaker 4>of prone to smirk and smile a lot, whether she

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<v Speaker 4>should be or not, but she was I think, kind

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<v Speaker 4>of beaten down by a circumstance when they finally took

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<v Speaker 4>her into custody.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out there was a reason she looked that way.

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<v Speaker 4>Diane had gotten pregnant again during her first appearance in court,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was there for that. I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 4>in the press knew that yet. If it was anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>somebody was going to try to take control of the situation,

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they would do. I was a real Diane

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<v Speaker 4>skeptic from early on, not that I would know whether

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<v Speaker 4>she was having an ongoing serious relationship with anyone. I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't aware that she did. But when they said she's pregnant,

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<v Speaker 4>I just thought, of course she is.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric Mason was a local reporter who followed the Diane

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<v Speaker 2>Downs case alongside the Grand Dam true crime writer and rule.

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<v Speaker 2>During the trial, they attended daily sitting in the press section,

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<v Speaker 2>watching every milestone moment happen in real time. After the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the trial, they had stayed in communication and

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<v Speaker 2>often shared how they wondered, whatever happened to that baby

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<v Speaker 2>that Diane given birth to. Did that baby grow up

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<v Speaker 2>to know her mom was infamous? Was the child doing well?

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<v Speaker 2>What became of her life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just starting work as a private I doing criminal

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<v Speaker 3>defense cases. I go to the Ben Film Festival, and

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<v Speaker 3>after the Ben Film Festival, there's a weekly discussion about

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<v Speaker 3>scriptwriting over there, and I meet up with somebody and

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<v Speaker 3>we were talking about my life life as a reporter,

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<v Speaker 3>and she goes, oh, I remember you at the CBS

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<v Speaker 3>station in Portland, and so what are you doing now?

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, well, I'm working on this script. And

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<v Speaker 3>so each week we would come with our scripts. And

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<v Speaker 3>after one of the meetings over there in ben she said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think I've met the long lost child

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<v Speaker 3>of Diane Downs. And I said, really, how do you know? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>she's connected to this church I go to, and we've

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<v Speaker 3>been out to pizza and she's had several conversations with me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought, oh, man, I'd love to meet her.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, and at that point I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 3>what I would do with it. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 3>where to go with that kind of a story since

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<v Speaker 3>I no longer worked in television. When I met her,

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like I'm across the table from Diane Downs.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's a different age, it's a different demeanor,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are some similarities that are clearly there. And

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<v Speaker 3>there is a way that Diane Downs would toss her

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<v Speaker 3>head back with her hair and Becky would do the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing. And I'm not sure that Becky really even

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<v Speaker 3>watched a lot of video of Diane, and the only

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<v Speaker 3>portrayal of Diane was Farah Fawcett, but Farah Fawcet got

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<v Speaker 3>some of the mannerisms right.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric is referring to the nineteen eighty nine made for

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<v Speaker 2>TV movie Small Sacrifices, in which Farah Fawcett played the

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<v Speaker 2>part of Diane Downs.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I wondered if this was sort of a

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<v Speaker 3>genetic tick. So I just wanted to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>it was done with as much well as little glare

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<v Speaker 3>and fascination, but more understanding of what it's like to

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<v Speaker 3>wake up one day and to watch a movie on

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<v Speaker 3>television and say that's my life being played out, and

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<v Speaker 3>I would like to say something about it. I would like,

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time to be able to say something

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<v Speaker 3>about my life. And I think that's the sense I

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<v Speaker 3>got from her. And so when I called and Rule

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<v Speaker 3>in Seattle.

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<v Speaker 5>I just said, you know, I think I've met Diane

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<v Speaker 5>Down's child that once you gave birth through during the trial,

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<v Speaker 5>because oh, I would definitely get a DNA test, because

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<v Speaker 5>I've been approached by all kinds of people who say

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<v Speaker 5>they were the.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby of Diane Downs. And I said, oh man, this

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<v Speaker 3>is the right person. I don't need a DNA test.

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<v Speaker 3>I can see it. I've talked to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Up until this point, Becky had really kept her existence

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quiet as far as the media goes. Becky's family

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<v Speaker 2>kept her bile mother's identity a secret, as I feared

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<v Speaker 2>it would be harmful information to a child who was

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<v Speaker 2>developing her own identity. They vowed to give her the

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<v Speaker 2>best life, and part of that promise was to protect

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<v Speaker 2>her from the media circus they had previously witnessed around

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<v Speaker 2>her birth.

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<v Speaker 3>I think people, the people who were from the state

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<v Speaker 3>of Oregon that set everything up, realized someone was going

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<v Speaker 3>to have to have some means to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>find a place that was off the beaten track and

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<v Speaker 3>that she could hide kind of in plain sight, and

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<v Speaker 3>that it was up to her then to decide what

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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Becky's adoptive parents arrived during Diane's trial. They had done

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<v Speaker 2>the research themselves and set it up in a very

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<v Speaker 2>short amount of time.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there was this idea that they went on

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<v Speaker 3>a waiting list of parents to get high risk kids.

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<v Speaker 3>They were also expressing interest knowing that that story was

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<v Speaker 3>going on. Probably not that many want a high profile

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<v Speaker 3>adoption of somebody who is going to come from a

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult situation and then have a lifetime of real

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<v Speaker 3>big challenges probably on their hands. Not many people would

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<v Speaker 3>probably take that on. And here are these really well

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<v Speaker 3>to do, highly intelligent, successful folks in the pharmaceutical world

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<v Speaker 3>who are willing to do it. And so I think

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<v Speaker 3>sort of like both sides understood what the deal was.

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<v Speaker 2>The Babcocks provided well for Becky and her sister, who

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<v Speaker 2>was also adopted. They lived on a large piece of

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<v Speaker 2>land in Bend, organ in idyllic surroundings. It was better

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<v Speaker 2>than anything her biological mother could have possibly provided. For

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<v Speaker 2>the first decade of her life, everything was perfect. Her

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<v Speaker 2>parents did their best to keep her from the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one day, after trying multiple times to get

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<v Speaker 2>the information from her mom and being denied, being told

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<v Speaker 2>she would never be old enough to know, and interaction

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<v Speaker 2>and with the family babysitter changed everything. Next time on

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that now there was this third person, Now

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<v Speaker 1>there was reality of who my biological mother was. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it had been three years of asking that. It

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<v Speaker 1>just I didn't think I'd ever know, and at that

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<v Speaker 1>point I wish I hadn't known. It was really scary.

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