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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a killer smile. Truer words

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Speaker 1: were never spoken. A surgeon dazzled. He beams this megawot

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Speaker 1: her new husband. According to police, I mean's he Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Michael McKee, the vascular sergeant, multiple malepractice

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Speaker 1: and claims against him. Something pushed him over the edge.

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Speaker 1: Both of the tepees or Dead Spencer and Manique.

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Speaker 2: Spencer had been shopped twice money once.

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Speaker 1: The children are orphans who probably will remember the murders

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Speaker 1: of their parents. I watched their wedding video over and

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Speaker 1: over and over preparing for tonight, and as I was

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Speaker 1: I found by the way, I wondered how many times

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Speaker 1: vascular surgeon, doctor Michael McKee went over and over and

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Speaker 1: over that wedding video. They were married and murdered in

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Speaker 1: the same home. Married and murdered in the same home.

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Speaker 1: This as the defendant, the vascular surgeon, awaiting an extradition

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Speaker 1: on multiple accounts that have just been handed down.

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Speaker 3: We uncover his dating apps.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't wait to get a hold of

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Speaker 1: his digital footprint.

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Speaker 3: Now think about it. This is, according to police.

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Speaker 1: He's on these dating apps, pouring out his soul about

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Speaker 1: how he wants to have children, how he loves hot yoga,

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Speaker 1: and then he's watching her. There he is with a

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Speaker 1: slew of lawsuits he's facing, including one guy with an

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Speaker 1: amputid a testicle, another of the catheter.

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Speaker 3: Shards stuck at his leg.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about on the dating apps, how he wants children,

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Speaker 1: how he wants to settle down. Yet he's all alone.

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Speaker 1: I wonder why, looking at her wedding video, how many

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Speaker 1: nights did he hunch over his computer screen watching Monique

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Speaker 1: Joyful in that wedding video, posting photos of her pregnant

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Speaker 1: dating websites about how he wants children.

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Speaker 3: One day that.

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Speaker 1: Said, now we learn about a silence, sir, Come on,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for the defense attorney bring it on

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Speaker 1: to tell me this was not premeditated. Do you know

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Speaker 1: how difficult it is to get your mitts on a silencer,

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Speaker 1: or as it is called in the business.

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Speaker 3: A suppressor listen.

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Speaker 4: Michael McKee indicted on four counts of aggravated murder in

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Speaker 4: the deaths of his ex wife, Monique Teppi and her

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Speaker 4: husband's The Indeamond spectifies that the firearm used by McKee

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Speaker 4: was equipped with a muffler or suppressor, commonly called a silencer.

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Speaker 4: McKee also faces an additional charge of aggravated burglary for

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Speaker 4: allegedly breaking into the Teppie home to commit the murders.

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Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we are learning tonight That should run a chill

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Speaker 1: down your spine. Common knowledge, common belief is that suppressors

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Speaker 1: silencers are illegal. You can't get one maybe a mobster

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Speaker 1: or a dope lord.

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Speaker 3: That is not true. You can get them legally.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, just recently, a bill was passed.

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Speaker 3: In the middle of the night. In the middle of

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Speaker 1: Now nothing good happens after midnight. Why is a House

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Speaker 1: Does that sound sneaky? It does to me because what

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Speaker 1: they did was take away a two hundred dollars surcharge

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Speaker 1: on buying silencers, so now anybody can have them. Including

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Speaker 1: according to police, this brilliant vascular surgeon Michael McKee. Oh

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Speaker 1: excuse me, on the dating websites. He says, call me, Mike.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'll just call you defendant. Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author

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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of Hitting You,

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Speaker 1: podcast series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. But for

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Speaker 1: my purposes death investigator, what can you tell me about

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Speaker 1: silencers as the vernacular for suppressors.

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Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, one of the fascinating things about suppressors

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Speaker 5: because contrary to what people think, they are not silencers.

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Speaker 5: You cannot knock down in totality a supersonic round that

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Speaker 5: specific weapon platform. That means the handgun. This thing was

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Speaker 1: We are talking about the fact that suppressor silencer was

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Speaker 1: used in the murders of Monique and Spencer Teppe and

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Speaker 1: to Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative reporter, journalist and author

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Speaker 1: of a bestseller Down the Hill, My Descent into the

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Speaker 1: Double Murder and Delphi, Susan, many people didn't know about

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Speaker 1: the allegation a suppressor was used, which requires a lot

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Speaker 1: you got to set it up, you've got to get it.

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Speaker 1: Who needs a suppressor? Who needs a silencer? We learned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nancy, And that's an excellent point. He did plan

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Speaker 2: it out. According to this indictment, charged with four counts

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Speaker 2: include exactly that having a silencer, and the fourth one

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Speaker 2: Planned more of what to do rather than the aftermath

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Speaker 1: We have gotten our mits on the indictment and that

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Speaker 3: You know, I want to go back to Joe Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 1: How does a silencer work for a lay person? If

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Speaker 1: you could break that down, and would a silencer be

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Speaker 5: Okay, let's take how this thing works in the first place.

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Speaker 5: It's if you if you think about a silencer as

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Speaker 5: someone shot at a scene, they're collecting the casings. Remember

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Speaker 5: projectile as well for the scratches on that surface. Now,

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Speaker 5: as far as nibbing, holding suppressor information, I'd probably say not. However,

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Speaker 5: that thing is managed by the ATF and all of

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Speaker 1: Nancy, you know to Dan Murphy joining us, former NYPD

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Speaker 1: detective sergeant, conducted hundreds of interrogations and investigations.

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Speaker 3: Co host of a hit podcast, gold.

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Speaker 1: Shields, and author of workplace Safety, Dan, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. What goes through your mind, just off

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Speaker 1: the top of your head, when you go to a

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Speaker 1: their person a silencer.

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Speaker 6: That person is using it or intending to use it

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Speaker 6: for criminal activity. He wants to mask the sound of

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Speaker 6: the weapon being fired. Now, in this case, we know

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Speaker 6: much in terms of weaponry heard by people outside. Weapons

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Speaker 6: are very very loud. Handguns are very loud, especially inside

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Speaker 6: people on the outside. The presence of a silencer indicates

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Speaker 6: somebody typically wants to use it. In a way that

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Speaker 1: Joining us now veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor, now

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Speaker 3: Attorney, Darryl Cohen, Darryl, thank you for being with us. Darrel.

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Speaker 1: When you were a prosecutor, we would practically dance up

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Speaker 1: silencer on a crime scene. There's nothing good about a silencer,

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Speaker 1: right behind them, right, But a silencer. Oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't advertise that you're using a silence, or there's

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Speaker 1: nothing good about a silencer.

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Speaker 7: Nancy, As a prosecutor, I love silencers. That was an

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Speaker 7: additional witness that was saying the owner of this silencer, muffler, suppressor,

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Speaker 7: whatever you want to call it, is guilty. Thank you,

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Speaker 7: so much because I don't have to worry about giving

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Speaker 7: It is what it is, and it is a fabulous witness. Absolutely,

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Speaker 7: I loved. It didn't happen often, but when it did,

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Speaker 1: You know, Daryl Cohen, the first time I had a

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Speaker 1: case with a silencer, it was a drug lord and

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Speaker 1: it was this beautiful posh high rise on Peachtree, right

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Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, the co defendant in

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Speaker 1: that case went on to raid a room, a hotel

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Speaker 1: somebody in the mom That's why who use a silencer?

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, and it spoke volumes, just as

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Speaker 7: Why, Nancy, I would advise my client if he was

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Speaker 7: my client. KYDVMS keep your damn big mouth shut, because

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Speaker 7: there's no excuse to have a silencer. There's no reason

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Speaker 1: Darryl, I thought your first I thought your first move

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Speaker 1: You know what, Darryl Cohen in those crime scene photos,

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Speaker 3: In the crime scene photo, there.

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Speaker 1: Was a suppressor beside a giant deal doo. Okay, and

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Speaker 3: Back bends, it's coming in.

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Speaker 1: She probably heard that muffled sound Joe Scott Morgan was

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Speaker 1: describing as he McKee, according to police, shoots her husband

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Speaker 8: Multiple weapons were taken from the property of McKee, and

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Speaker 9: Local and Columbus police in and out of McKee's twelfth

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Speaker 10: Did you find any other evidence in his home in

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Speaker 1: Okay, Joe Scott Morgan lightning around? First of all, can

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Speaker 5: Not necessarily, it would be benign at best. As a

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Speaker 5: imagine that. No, the key to this, Nancy is going

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Speaker 5: whatever they found there, they took those weapons immediately. As

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Speaker 3: Hey, let me follow.

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Speaker 1: Up on something that you said that I did not know.

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Speaker 1: You said that silencers in some studies are shown to increase.

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Speaker 3: The velocity the speed of the bullet. Did you say that, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine this? Just keep this saying he gets

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Speaker 1: he's huge now. In fact, when I was doing an

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Speaker 1: Steroided up And I'm going to show them before and

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Speaker 3: But back to.

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Speaker 1: What you just said, Joe Scott, him standing foot of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's a possibility that it could. According to

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Speaker 5: Contained within that can that is pressing it down range

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Speaker 1: I don't know Joe Scott that he did it to

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Speaker 3: It's like a fingerprint.

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Speaker 1: Each gun has its own markings inside the barrel.

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Speaker 1: That happens because when the gun is manufactured, the metal

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Speaker 1: do that. But what people don't know is that casings can.

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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Scott.

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Speaker 1: What does that firing pin marking look like on the case.

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Speaker 1: Just tell everyone that's not familiar with ballistics, what is

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Speaker 5: Okay, So at the base of a case, and you

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Speaker 5: So if you see that little silver area right there,

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Speaker 1: All that planning and all that plotting, driving through the night.

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Speaker 8: On December thirtieth, twin between five at approximately ten oh

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Speaker 1: The homicide is building its case against vascular surgeon doctor McKee.

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Speaker 3: How long did he stalk her?

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Speaker 1: She was terrified because he had threatened her life on

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Speaker 3: When they were married.

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Speaker 1: He brewed and bubbled and simmed and stewed for nearly

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Speaker 1: Less flexible than I recall, Well, you're flexible enough to

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Speaker 3: Okay, but before.

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Speaker 1: I go to his dating apps where he's positively beaming

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Speaker 1: the ballistics yes, there's more, and a good prosecutor will

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Speaker 1: Dan Murphy joining US former NYPD detective Sergeant Star ob

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Speaker 1: Hit podcast gold Shields and author Dan. Don't you just

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Speaker 1: love when a defendant, a suspect is so attached to

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Speaker 3: It could be anything. Have you ever seen that?

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Speaker 1: And I love it because it's so probative, like how

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Speaker 6: I've absolutely seen it, Nancy, many times, and it is

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait wait wait damn please please please please look

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Speaker 1: I would know that face anywhere. That's BTK buying, torture killed.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the photos where he dressed up including makeup,

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Speaker 1: keeping mementos. I'm sorry, I just had to direct your

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Speaker 1: attention to that photo.

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Speaker 3: Continue.

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Speaker 6: No, I've never had anyone as bad as him with that,

440
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 6: But I have had people hold on to identification. That

441
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 6: whole kidnapping crew and murder crew we caught in California

442
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 6: that held the identification of every person they ever kidnapped

443
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 6: and tortured. So when we rescued.

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Speaker 1: Victims, we oh wait, wait, wait what every person?

445
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Speaker 3: They kept a memento of every person? Oh, I would

446
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: have a field.

447
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: They just lay each driver's license out on the jury rail,

448
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: just let them sit there and you know, like drink

449
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: it in for the jury. But why do you think,

450
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to Karen Stark? But why

451
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: do you think, as a seasoned detective with NYPD, why

452
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: do they keep them their damning evidence?

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00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 6: This guy thinks he's so smart that he's not going

454
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 6: to get caught, so he's not worried about evidence. In court,

455
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 6: and sometimes very smart people do very stupid things. But

456
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 6: in this case, I have a feeling he just liked

457
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 6: the gun and he figured I got away with this.

458
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 6: Nobody's going to link me to her. We've been divorced

459
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 6: for years. He thought he had outsmarted everyone, and he

460
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 6: liked that one and it represented triumph over her with me.

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00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: Is Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, conducted hundreds of

462
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Speaker 1: homicide investigations, author and co host of hit podcast gold Shields. Dan,

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Speaker 1: I want to take what you said and go back

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00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: to Karen Stark. Karen, I want to talk about this

465
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Speaker 1: murder weaponl law enforcement had not gotten that gun match,

466
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: that showcasing match, and there's going to be a bullet match.

467
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: A bullet found either in the bodies lodge and a

468
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: mattress lodge, somewhere.

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00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: In that room, maybe in the wall, maybe under the bed.

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00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: They've got a bullet, all right, But they used.

471
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: The casing first to make the match, probably because the

472
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: bullet was still being fished out of the bodies at

473
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: the morgue. If we didn't have that match, we may

474
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: not have very much. But now we've got a ballistics match. Now,

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00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: why did he keep the gun. Do you think he

476
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: puts so much love and care into procuring the silencer,

477
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: matching it with the gun. I wonder if they're going

478
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: to end up here and start finding him on video

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00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: at some gun shop or find his order online getting

480
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: a silencer that will marry to a nine millimeter that

481
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: he put so much thought in care into that, but

482
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: it became like his little pet I don't have the

483
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: right words, you do. And holding it, caressing it, looking

484
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: at it reminded him of that moment, so he could

485
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: relive the moment he towered over his ex wife in

486
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: her bedroom with her new husband, and he could relive

487
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: the moment he saw the terror on her face as

488
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: he killed her husband and then turned the gun on her.

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Speaker 3: Why else keep it.

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Speaker 11: Karen, Well, Nancy, you absolutely hit it on the head.

491
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 11: This is somebody. First of all, he's a narcissist, so

492
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 11: he's not thinking about what if I get caught. He's

493
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 11: never going to get caught in his mind. But here

494
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 11: it is. He was able to, after all these years

495
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 11: building up resentment, threatening her, he was able to keep

496
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 11: the symbol that he was successful in getting back at

497
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 11: her and killing her, and he could relive it he

498
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 11: could see. And if you think about it, this is

499
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 11: also a very organized killer. He's not somebody who went

500
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 11: in there, didn't know what he was doing and all

501
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 11: of a sudden decided, well maybe I'll kill them. He

502
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 11: planned the whole thing out, the gun, the silencer, it

503
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 11: all shows that this man was meticulous, narcissistic, knew exactly

504
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 11: what he was doing, and enjoyed looking at the success

505
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 11: his win over this couple.

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00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Karen starrk this is not a pretty picture I'm

507
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: about to conjure up in your mind. But according to

508
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: many forensic studies, killers keep mementos for sexual reasons. They

509
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: will keep a woman's underwear, even her driver's license, her jewelry,

510
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: even this suppressor, and this gun, which is forever connected

511
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: to in extra linked to the murders for sex fantasies.

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00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't get you masturbate with a gun.

513
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, let's think about how a gun is off

514
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 11: and used, symbolized right.

515
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: As being I guess I do. Yeah.

516
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 11: And all of the men that you mentioned, all the

517
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 11: killers that you mentioned, they used their tokens for sexual gratification.

518
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 11: They got off on them. They could look at it

519
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 11: over and over again and masturbate to it, just as

520
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 11: you said. And I have no doubt because he kept

521
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 11: it and held on to it, didn't care if he

522
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 11: get caught that he used it the same way. After all,

523
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 11: he thought about her for years. He didn't really have

524
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 11: another relationship or involvement.

525
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: She moved on.

526
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 11: She was his possession, and now he could look at

527
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 11: it and get off on the fact that he had her.

528
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 11: He kept her, he killed And here's the proof.

529
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: Manee and her husband are shot dead. How long did

530
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: those bodies lie? They're going cold in pools of blood

531
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: with their children sitting there with mommy and daddy dead

532
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: for babies in the next room.

533
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: They're all on one floor.

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00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: They were screaming their heads off, wailing by their parents

535
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: dead bodies.

536
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 12: In a dating profile on Bumble, McKee refers to himself

537
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 12: as Mike, claims to be thirty two, and in the

538
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 12: about me section writes lucky to have work I find

539
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 12: meaningful and increased free time for new things. Currently trying

540
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 12: hot yoga, way less flexible than I recall planning trip

541
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 12: b itineraries to finally make use of global entry, and

542
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 12: hopped on an electric motorcycle. Haven't died yet he also

543
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 12: says he wants children someday.

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00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: Okay, joining us an all star panel makes sense now

545
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: of this guy's dating apps straight out to Susan Hendrick's

546
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: investigative reporter and author.

547
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: Soon tell me about the dating app.

548
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: This one is on bumble, but I imagine where there's one,

549
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: there a million, Like roaches, c one, there's a hundred

550
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: of them hiding behind the wall. Guarantee he's on another

551
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: one I haven't uncovered yet. Tell me about his dating app.

552
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that all lines I believe with who he

553
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: pretended to be and who he really was. At first

554
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: I did a double take, thinking is that the same guy?

555
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: He looks completely different, all of these hobbies I'd like

556
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: to travel, kind of trying to lure women into this

557
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: a facade on who he was. But he looks very

558
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: different to me. And I bet if Monique saw this,

559
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: she would think that's not the person I'm that I'm married,

560
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: And she did tell her close friends and relatives that

561
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: she was afraid of them. But there he is on

562
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: the dating app. I like to travel, like you said, Nancy,

563
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: hot yoga, it's all bs.

564
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to think about is comparing

565
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: that whole king frame of his alleged lumbering down the

566
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: alley behind Manique and Spencer's home with him and a

567
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: pair of those little shorts that guys wear and hot

568
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: yo gay. I don't even want to think about that now.

569
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: In the dating profile, it paints McKee as a.

570
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: Young thirty two year old surgeon.

571
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: Lie and it's full of details aimed at women to

572
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: interest them six' to. Two maybe he is beaming in

573
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: the photographs showing off his ten suggesting a real outdoorsman

574
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: wearing a lilac sweater over a white button down posing

575
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: for some reason with the kid's lunchbox which shows the

576
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: Name mike and a. DINOSAUR i guess that's because He's

577
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: michael and asks people to call Him. Mike meaningful were

578
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: increased free time for new things i.

579
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: E you, hot, yoga less?

580
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: Flexible, well you know, what according to what we're, learning

581
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: he climbed in the half window of a basement at ground,

582
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: level suggests foreign, travel global. Entry you don't do have

583
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: global entry to go From georgia To florida and likes

584
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: to ride a. Motorcycle does he actually think that's? Macho you,

585
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: Know Susan hendricks do you know what police call motorcycle

586
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: drivers future organ. Donors so a lot of women may

587
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: not find that dashing and. Exciting he goes on and

588
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: says a pro of dating him as, Quote.

589
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 3: I've perfected the chocolate chip. Cookie what is he? Doing Karen?

590
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: Stark help me, NOW i promise YOU i saw THAT

591
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: i would be attracted to the chocolate chip cookie Part Karen.

592
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: Stark he lists, art, design, basketball, football skiing, location said As,

593
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: la that's not where he.

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00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: Was it's two truth and a.

595
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: Lie i've cycled too from that's what he, Said pacific

596
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: to The, atlantic went eight full seconds on rodeo and

597
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: drink water When i'm. Thirsty, okay help me, Out Kieren.

598
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: Stark all of this is a big. Lie can you

599
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: imagine the unsuspected women that may have signed up to

600
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: meet this, guy an alleged double.

601
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 11: Killer i'm telling, You, nancy if you interview a lot

602
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 11: of women who go on dating, apps they have to

603
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 11: be very careful and they know it just because of

604
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 11: guys like. Him you would, think if you read, this

605
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 11: maybe he's a lonely man and he's really looking for

606
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 11: companionship and building up his. Ego but the truth is

607
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 11: that is not who he. Is he's a man who

608
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 11: has wanted revenge for. Years he doesn't want to start new.

609
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 11: Life he wants to get revenge on the ex. Wife

610
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 11: and this is all about building him, up but has

611
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 11: nothing to do with being lonely or ranting another. Person

612
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 11: and you could see it from all the lives he.

613
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 11: Created this isn't. Him this is his image of.

614
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: Him in his dating, app he talks about how he wants,

615
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: children but he's. Alone he's running from multiple, lawsuits including

616
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: one guy who had to have his testicle, amputated another

617
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: guy claiming he had a part of a cather stuck

618
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: in his less chard stuck in his leg out after.

619
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: Surgery so he's, alone running from, lawsuits running from process,

620
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: servers and he watches this over and over.

621
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: Look from day, ONE i knew you were something.

622
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 10: SPECIAL i had quite a journey to get to, you

623
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 10: countless bad bumble, dates, relationships and waterfalls of, tears but

624
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 10: it was worth every cringing second because.

625
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 6: It led me to.

626
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 10: You throughout all of, THIS i knew That god was

627
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 10: guiding me to my person and that WHEN i met

628
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 10: him it would be the most magical thing. Ever and,

629
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 10: boy is that an. UNDERSTATEMENT i finally found my, lobster

630
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 10: and it honestly couldn't be a person.

631
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 6: With a more beautiful.

632
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 10: HEART i will love you forever And i'm so lucky

633
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 10: to be Missus.

634
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Teppy how many Times Darryl cohen will his digital footprint

635
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: show me you're the Ved on trial?

636
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: Lawyer if he looked at? That even WHAT i get

637
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: to play it in front of the.

638
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 7: Jury that's all we, Need, Nancy that's all a prosecutor. Needs,

639
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 7: actually less is more in this, case one time only

640
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 7: oto they got. It the, jury if it goes that,

641
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 7: far will have, it and the jury will have everything

642
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 7: else and piece by. Piece and you.

643
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: Know, What, darryl if a portion of the wedding video is,

644
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: played then the jury has a right to look at

645
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: the whole, thing because you can't selectively take bits and, pieces,

646
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: Right so that gives me an evidentiary basis to put

647
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: in the whole wedding.

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00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 7: Video and what are we going to? See a motive or?

649
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 7: Murder a motive to destroy his ex, wife to destroy

650
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 7: her husband and at the same time destroying their.

651
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 13: Kids Dear, MOMO i feel so lucky to be up

652
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 13: here with you. Today you've grown to become my best.

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Speaker 13: Friend and together we're surrounded by friends and family who

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Speaker 13: are fortunate to be able to say the.

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Speaker 3: Same we're so.

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Speaker 13: Lucky our support system is, immense and you Embracing larry

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Speaker 13: AND i group of friends in my loud family like

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Speaker 13: you have means the. WORLD i vow to support, you

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Speaker 13: to believe in, you and to encourage. YOU i vow

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Speaker 13: to provide for. YOU i vowed to never stop loving

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Speaker 13: you and to always keep working on. Us and, LASTLY

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Speaker 13: i vowed to do my best to always keep making

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Speaker 13: you laugh because your smile is my favorite. THING i love.

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Speaker 1: YOU i Mean Darryl, cohen you, said put that up

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Speaker 1: his motive while he's putting on, BUMBLE i want, Children

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Speaker 1: and he's sitting alone eating HIS tv, dinner hunched over

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Speaker 1: one of those.

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Speaker 3: Trays can you even imagine?

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Speaker 1: That and he sees this That Spencer teppie on his wedding,

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Speaker 1: Day spencer And manique murder in the same home in

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Speaker 1: which they were, married and that wedding video which was

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Speaker 1: online shows you various parts of their home that he

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Speaker 1: could figure out from.

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Speaker 3: This he could figure out the layout of the.

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Speaker 1: Home, darryl what about When monique said she was saying

676
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Speaker 1: that she Compared spencer to countless bad bumble. Dates bumble,

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Speaker 1: really And i've got his bumble.

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Speaker 3: Profile wrong.

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Speaker 1: Relationships, GEE i wonder who she's talking.

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Speaker 3: About wonderfuls of.

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Speaker 1: Tears it was worth every cringing second because it led

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Speaker 1: me to. You so has he McKee figured out that

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Speaker 1: he's the cringe and he's got to look At, spencer

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Speaker 1: who now has quote his Woman.

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Speaker 7: NANCY i don't think there's any question he figured that out.

686
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 7: Easily and if he hadn't figured it, out it really wouldn't.

687
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 7: Matter he saw the video of her, wedding not to,

688
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 7: him but to the person who followed him after their contentious,

689
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 7: divorce after their horrible, marriage but none of it was his.

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00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 7: Fault all of it was, hers and he had an

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00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 7: obsession with. Her and IF i can't have, you no

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Speaker 7: one else. Will AND i promise you, That and not

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Speaker 7: only will no one else have, you But i'm going

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Speaker 7: to get take care of destroy this other person WHO

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Speaker 7: i have seen in the. Video, oh we have so.

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Speaker 7: Much as a defense, LAWYER i wouldn't touch him with

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Speaker 7: a thousand foot. Pole he's. Nuclear he is absolutely the.

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Speaker 7: Worst but the good thing is Hey Dave, MATT i

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Speaker 7: want to follow up on What Darryl cohen trial lawyer is,

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Speaker 7: saying speaking of.

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Speaker 1: IF i can't have, you no one. Will that whole,

702
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: mentality isn't it? True Dave Matt Crime stories investigative reporter

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00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: that in various missives written missives from McKee To, manique

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Speaker 1: and this is after their, divorce after they, separate he

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Speaker 1: refers to her as his.

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Speaker 14: Wife he continued to do, That, nancy to continue to

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Speaker 14: put his arms out there and say you're. Mine, yeah

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Speaker 14: we're divorced and you're moving, on but you are. MIND

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Speaker 14: i could not believe that he was still pushing that

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Speaker 14: in everything that he. Had you put that in, Writing,

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Speaker 14: nancy and you're stamping. It it's different than just saying

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Speaker 14: it out. Loud he, wrote you're you're my.

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Speaker 3: Wife after the.

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Speaker 1: Breakup hey, GUYS i got to show you one more.

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Speaker 1: Thing the video we pulled after the live CHAT i

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Speaker 1: was doing the other night during our program someone named

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Speaker 1: at R O t t r U.

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Speaker 3: Ai notice. This notice the pull to the.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay And we've seen a lot of very distinctive,

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Speaker 1: gates And i've used them in prosecution's best example in

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Speaker 1: a bank robbery where a guy was slew, footed but

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Speaker 1: he the viewer was right and noticed it.

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Speaker 3: First see a pull to the, right pull to the,

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Speaker 3: right pull to the. Right that's going to come in as.

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Speaker 1: Evidence and you know another THING i, Noticed Susan, Hendrix,

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Speaker 1: oh that video is from our friends AT. Wbns this

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Speaker 1: guy McKee no. Idiot he started being on the front

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Speaker 1: page of the paper in the first grade for winning

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Speaker 1: an academic, honor then a presentation to The secretary Of.

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Speaker 1: State then he went on to play varsity. Football he

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Speaker 1: was in the top, five not five, percent but the

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Speaker 1: top five in his. CLASS i, mean this guy is super, smart.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely AND i spoke to a guy who played football

734
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Speaker 2: with him in high school and talked to him on the.

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Speaker 2: Phone he didn't want to be, named but he said

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Speaker 2: that McKee's adoptive parents he was, adopted were very. Nice

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Speaker 2: he was to himself though very. Quiet doesn't remember him

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Speaker 2: dating at, all kind of to, himself of. Course they were.

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Speaker 2: Shocked but, smart highly. Intelligent he did say that several,

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Speaker 2: times but really kind of a a. Loner it stood out.

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Speaker 1: To, Me, well he's making headlines. Again as we go

742
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: to air. Tonight he is en route back to home.

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Speaker 1: Turf the extradition process is happening to answer up on

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00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: multiple felony. Charges the case is still being built by

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00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: both the state and the. Defense if you know or

746
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: think you know, anything please dial six one four, six

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Speaker 1: four five two two two eight six one four six

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Speaker 1: four five two two two Eight McKee.

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Speaker 3: Innocent until proven.

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Speaker 1: Guilty Nancy gray signing, off goodbye, friend